The fact that Cameron sacrificed screenplay to maintain the accuracy of the alien life-cycle is exactly why this movie is so great. The attention to detail surpasses that of most movies. The director cared about the story, not the paycheck.
Do you REALLY want to see the same 40 minute sequence over and over again already knowing what happens?....the embryo process length has no meaning past the first movie....cope
"They're going to nail you right to the wall, you're not going to sleaze your way out of this one. Right to the WALL!" Ripley's prediction was pretty spot on! Burke was more like glued to a wall, but still..
A Chaps well if this was said in aliens, then it could be a reference to how Ripley found Dallas and Brett in the drone's hive, where she saw them converted into eggs, and ultimately ended Dallas's suffering by destroying the hive with a flamethrower. This scene was absent from the theatrical release of alien I presume.
And look what Scott did and shut down Blomkamp's version because everyone and even Cameron was hyped for it. He's a bitch for it. Now look, we won't get shit anymore since Disney owns it.
I applaud James Cameron for this. Even as I watched this video for the first time, I was thinking, ' but no, that's far too soon for the chest burster to emerge.' I don't know what's up with the AVPs and Scott's latest films making out like the gestation period was all of 10 minutes, if that. God forbid you create interesting tension instead of 'getting to the action.'
Burke's hair, vest and plaid shirt were pretty distinctive - the scene would've worked with a face hugger on him but enough of his clothes and hair showing. Subtle but an awesome little Easter egg thing
@@BIL0471 Yup, Ripley walks up to a facehugged burke, places the nade in his hand. Burkes hand tightens around the grenade and Ripley pulls the pin. I can see that in there.
Interesting thought. Maybe Ripley could have taken a moment to gaze at him and say, "Burke ..." without much sympathy, and continue on her way. I can see how that would work.
It's in the Blu-Ray deleted scenes. I concur with Cameron on the time frame, he would still have a face hugger attached. Isn't it remarkable that we all seem to have the same passionate opinions about Burke and the rest of the characters in this movie, as we would if they were real? Amazing!!!
i strongly believe cameron was right as well, and his explanation is sound, i Kinda think it would have taken away from the pacing of the movie as well but i still would have liked to see it in the movie regardless lol
I agree with Cameron's reasoning also, but it would have been satisfying to see his fate as all of the other main characters had definite end scenes. (Correction: Hudson disappeared into the floor also.) While it does make sense that a facehugger would probably still be present, the pace was increased so much at that point I don't think many except the hardcore would have seen this incontinuity.
I believe it would have been even more badass if ripely had saved Hudson and newt and hudson helped ripely fight the queen as the badass he turned out to be
If Ripley walked by Burt with a Hugger on his face as she was making her way to the elevator and Newt pointed it out, and Ripley still just left him, it would add a lot of depth to the innocence of newt and contrast to Ripley's rescue, with added realism as she tries to escape the nest.
Cameron’s reason makes sense, but I’d also add that it sort of defeats the purpose of dropping the flares if you let Burke potentially blow up your escape route. Any collapse of that tunnel he’s in and you’re scrambling for another way out.
I admire Cameron for always trying to get rid of inconsistencies and illogical things in his movies. Obviously, you can still point me to a long lists of those happening in Avatar, Terminator, or other of his movies, but, compared to most other directors ... he is extremely thorough when it comes to the logic of the screenplay. BTW, such approach would definitely not hurt Prometheus or Covenant. Maybe even made them enjoyable movies.
And he’s almost always already aware of any inconsistencies before anyone brings them up. Recently in a screening Q&A someone started to ask about the Metkayina in A2’s final battle and before they even finished the question Cameron said “Where did they go, right?”. There was an entire regroup sequence shot, but ultimately cut because during editing they made a conscious decision to stay focused on the core family at the cost of some continuity. Choosing what to keep or remove in the final edit must be a really difficult process, especially after spending so much of your life on something.
I've actually wondered this myself for a while, even though I mostly just chocked up the Burk character being a douche and didn't give two shits about how or if he died. But even if he was cocooned he would have died either from the chestburster or the reactor. So the scene is nice but more or less pointless.
...I'd always assumed the xenomorph just plain killed him because they're not 'always' harvesting...especially after the nest is disturbed and a number of them are killed - like disturbing a wasp's nest.
Well, Apone and other soldiers were captured and became hosts, so it's likely if we didn't see them being killed outright, like Hudson and Burke, they were likely also captured and cocooned.
They may have actually killed Hudson since he was actually putting up a fight. They may decided to kill you if you're killing them and harvest the ones they were able to ambush without a fight.
Ripley having found Newt, heads out, she hears a yell and turns to find Burk cacooned against the wall with an egg pulsating in front of him. A brief conversation about saving her and Newt. She hands him the explosive and turns to leave. The egg opens up and Ripley and Newt turn the corner and disappear, shortly thereafter a distant scream followed by an explosion. No time to look back or reflect, gotta keep moving...
Cameron's concern about the timing of Ripley running into Burke and the time needed for implantation just goes to show the difference in what went on in making the great movies of the 70's/80's (and a few in the 90's) vs. what is made today. There was actual care taken in the logic behind fantastical, sci fi situations where today the attitude is "who the @#$% cares. We're just making a movie with some famous franchise title stamped on it to sell tickets."
Agreed. I hate blatant inconsistency in films. Burke gets his obvious fate in his prior scene when he locks everyone else out and ironically traps himself with an Alien.
Maybe she finds him cocooned but not implanted yet, tries to free him, but then the egg in front of him curls open and she nopes out fast. We see only the look of horror in his eyes before the camera cuts back to Ripley continuing to race through the tunnel following the tracer signal. We get Ripley's compassion *and* Burke's just-deserts! On their way out, Ripley and Newt pass him face-hugged, though the camera doesn't draw attention to it, it is just there as they pass.
I love that Cameron left it out. From the moment Ripley is in the lift, prepping her weapons, it's mother versus mother. It becomes a narrative within a narrative. Perfectly crafted. That being said... Had he included Burke in the scene, he would have been better off Burke being pre-impregnated. Begging Ripley to let him out before a facehugger got him. And having Ripley show "mercy" not by letting him out of the cocoon but by handing him a grenade. That would have been bad-arse.
I'm fine with it staying cut, for two reasons. One, while it's interesting to learn Brett and Dallas's fate, restoring that scene in Alien does screw up the pacing of the finale. Two, I agree with Cameron's rationale for cutting it - it doesn't fit with the established implantation timescale. Perhaps a better solution would be for Ripley to find a concooned Burke with facehugger still attached, at which point she could either put him out of his suffering or not. But really, it's not needed - we can work out what happened to him. PS: Great channel, subscribed!
Omg! I absolutely love this new scene. Thank you. I always thought that he was just killed when the alien found him but it makes sense that he would be implanted with an alien. I love it
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It would've been cool to see Burke get his in the end, I'm glad Cameron paid such close attention to details. This is one of my biggest issues with later Aliens movies like AvP. The time between face-hugger, to chest-burster, to full-grown Xenomorph would take place in a matter of 10 minutes in these new movies, when it clearly took far longer in the first Alien movie. Those little details make a huge difference. Better to lose a cool moment rather than sacrifice the storytelling
It could've added extra horror if Burke was found hysterical but alive and helped back to the ship, where he's put in hypersleep. Only to have the Alien tear it's way from out of him in the Weyland Nakatomi executive meeting to the horror of the Weyland staff. Hense the plot for ALIENS EARTH WAR.
I remember something similar to that story you just reccomended it's an aliens arcade shootem up first person game kind've like house of the dead, Earth was entirely taken over by the Xenomorphs in that game and aliens roamed the earth as the humans desperately flee
I've always liked the fact that we the viewers aren't shown explicitly what happens to Burke (and Hudson for that matter). We know, we get it, the terror and death that awaits them has been well established. The important thing is seeing that Burke couldn't escape the building tragedy he facilitated. Good cutting Cameron! Interesting that there was a similar scene similarly cut from Alien I with Dallas in a cocoon...
The reason for the cut is exactly what I expected. Based on what we saw in Alien, it would take about 18-24 hrs for the Alien to be impregnated…based on this, a bit of a waste of time filming this scene in the first place - he would have only been cocooned there for about 45 mins! Even the others taken earlier on (Dietrich, Apone etc) would only be in the facehugger stage at this point
I read it was cannon somewhere that Hudson’s heart monitor stopped before he was able to get to the nest. Like basically right after he got pulled under and taken away. So he either ended it in some way himself or fought hard enough and got killed with acid or made such a problem they just killed him. Either way I like to know he didn’t end up with a fate like others
Should his arms be free? Either way, I wouldn't give a bomb to someone who knows they're going to die and doesn't care if I live. "Here take this..." "Thanks..." "Just wait until I'm clear of the blast rad.. [click]{crap!}" "BOOOOM!!!"
Honestly Ripley should have been like, "Man, sucks to be you Burke, but in 10 minutes this whole place is going to be a vapor cloud the size of Nebraska. So I don't really see the point in wasting a grenade. Buh-Bye!"
Interestingly, in the comics (yes, there was an Aliens comic book series!) Ripley gave him a grenade from her pouch and told him to use it. He was too much of a coward and said something like "N-no. I can't..." She leaves him. Then the rest of the scenes are just like in the movie leaving me to conclude that Burke died when the planet blew up.
People who don't live with honour won't likely die with honour. Burke probably would want someone next to him (and thus caught in the blast zone) as he pulls the pin, a form of substitute hand holding for a cowardly and selfish man, whom we can guess has no love based relationships back on Earth. It's a justifiable pre-judgement based on Burke's actions and earlier revealed intents. So, I too wouldn't hand Burke the grenade, he is not a decent enough person to bring about his end the way he should in a situation like that.
@@ClearOutSamskaras Burke has no choice, he could put the aliens out for revenge against them.. A coward can be vengeful.. There are worse cowards.. He's smart and greedy not stupid..
This kind of thing goes on every day all over the world....you think the 1%ers got where they are by being nice. They literally and figuratively screw people for money!!
"The death he deserves ..." "He deserved it ..." and lines like that. I was a fan of the Dexter TV series, but seeing the episodes on YT and reading the comments is CREEPY. Many deserve death, but if your life was closely examined you too might be among them. Myself as well, no human is exempt. Delivering death to those who "deserve" it though (as many Dexter comments applauded, and recommended we start doing in secret as he did *!*) does terrible things to ourselves. Ripley is Ripley, the hero we admire, because she didn't gloat. She gave him a way out to take while he still had his humanity, then moved on to save the innocent. When I've been hurt (and for some reason this year 2019 has really piled on me) the only way out of the anger and grief, I've found, what works, is to HELP someone else. This isn't goody goody. Helping someone else is selfish ... it cures me. Retired librarian / I apologize for ranting ...
"You feeling it inside? What about those peoples you involved into? Yes, you're the company man, I searched and found something... So be there and at least die with honor."
Did it? It ruined the menace of the aliens from the previous movie. It replaced the realistic dialogue and characters of the first with 2 dimensional catch line spouting characters who are as sharp as bowling balls.
Yeesh. Poor bastard. My sympathies to the actor... it's got to kind of suck when you spend time in a makeup chair getting covered in goo and the scene is cut. But that's how it goes, I guess.
I worked on movies for a short while and whenever this kind of thing came up, I'd say "you can't cut what you don't shoot". In editing you have to be ready to give things up, and to a point it's better to have too much stuff than not enough. When Jon Badham had a set made up for WarGames, and the scene was cut before even they filmed in it, his response was something like "well, they have to tear down the set whether we shoot or not".
Leaving Burke's fate unseen after his encounter with the alien would give a stronger conclusion to the movie. People did not like Burke's character. It is reasonable to expect the sympathy kill would diminish an audience's hatred of the character. Had it been Apone or one of the other marines getting found in that state, this would have been a better scene to leave/make in the movie.
Considering the amount of time a face-hugger has to do the deed, it makes sense why the scene was left on the cutting room floor. Even if the reactor wasn't going critical, Ripley still would have more than enough time to nuke the whole colony from orbit before the chest-burster was fully developed.
The scene belongs on the cutting room floor. Not only is it narratively unnecessary (as the theatrical scene with the Alien peeling back its lips in preparation for a strike makes it clear what is about to happen to Burke), and not only is the timing insufficient for the facehugger to be absent, but most egregiously, the scene repeats the double-suicide moment between Gorman and Vasquez... but with only a single participant. It just doesn't work. At all.
It's a good thing that the Burke scene was deleted. Many people enjoyed watching the "Burke getting killed" scene, including Paul Reiser's real mom when she watched the movie for the 1st time. It would have deprived so many people from enjoying that satisfaction, especially Paul's mother. 🤣
just found your channel aaand yeah i'm gonna watch all these videos tonight. Thanks for the high quality videos on Alien theories, dude! Especially great when I'm getting Alien fever with the new trailer :)
Leave it out because it disrupts the length of gestation of the xenomorphs. Ripley had one for like 3 days and you could argue it was a queen and needed more time in utero but then there is the first movie with Kane. He lasted for a day. Burke had one in him for like 30 min. Actually Apone and Dietrich should have been seen with Face huggers along with Burke.
It would have been interesting if Ripley bumped into Burke's cocooned body with a facehugger on him. Ripley's compassion kicks in and she torches Burke and the facehugger. Ripley takes a moment to look over Burke's now-charred corpse, a stoic look on her face, but her eyes give a hint of emotion as she struggles with mixed feelings of ironic justice and sympathy.
Interesting to see what might have been, I'm glad it was omitted from the the final cut as the crux of that scene is the tension. Having Burke show up would have ruined it somewhat. The pressure on Ripley to find Newt and get out before the site goes nuclear makes this scene.
'Aliens' is always broadcast now with many deleted scenes added back in - about Ripley having a daughter; about characters on the planet before finding the aliens. I think the film is better in its original cinematic release, with those cut. Same, too, for finding Burke in the hive. One reinstated scene that I think does fit well is the sentry robots guarding the corridor. Adds some action, adds to the tension of trying to keep the aliens out, and fits logically between 'that should keep them out' and 'oh, they must have found another way in'.
Lets give Cameron some credit for caring about continuity. The same cant be said for Ridley Scott, what a disappointment if you think about it. James Cameron the guy that said the Navi and Xenomorphs exist in the same universe cared more about the property than Ridley.
Time-wise it would not have worked out with Burke already being infected (and the face hugger having released him). They could have had Ripley find for instance Sgt. Apone in such a state.
On the one hand, I respect that Cameron’s consistency on alien reproduction. On the other hand, this is a great end for Burke’s character. It’s fitting because as you point out, he put the colonist through the same thing and as other people have pointed out in the comments, he was nailed to the wall.
Very well narrated. I think a really creepy version of that would be for her to have seen Burke with a Facehugger attached and then quietly pass so as to not draw attention?
@@Outland9000 In the dark in the flickering shadows of that maze and slathered with resin, and not necessarily even at floor level, odds are that he would never have been noticed, let alone found and recognized.
I think when Ripley went back to rescue Newt, she should've found Hudson and the sargeant. Maybe Ripley tries to rescue them, but they decide to blow themselves up as a distraction for the xenomorphs whilst Ripley goes to rescue Newt.
Ultimately, I respect James Cameron's decision. As much as the scene would elaborate more on what happened to Burke, it would have broken suspense from the scene when it should focus on if Ripley would make it to Newt or not. Also, the life cycle of the facehugger would have been broken, as the hugger would still be on burke's face for at least another couple of hours, minimum.
Interesting. Most hacks, still called producers, directors and writers today (even if i cannot fathom why) doesn't give a shit about consistancy and continuity. Thank you JC! I salute you!
Bill paxon’s character Hudson is my favorite!!!! So many great lines in this movie. “Well that’s just f’n great man! Game over man, game over!” “ damn this floor is freezing!”, “ want me too fetch your slippers?”, “gee, would you sir? That would be nice.”
I think Ripley helped him with the grenade out of compassion and as a sort of way to help herself later on. If she allows the chestburster to come through, it'll grow within a short time & just add to the wolf pack already hunting her, which is just another problem. So she does herself a favour too.
I always remember this from Newt's Tale - if you look carefully at around 3:20 in your video, you can see Burke dropping the grenade, therefore if you follow the comic as canon, he would have been killed in the reactor meltdown. As much as I agree, it is a fitting fate for Burke to have been cocooned, I agree that Cameron was right to leave it out and respect the alien lifecycle...some others chose to abandon in later films.
After AI says “You now have 15 minutes to reach minimal safe distance” it passes exactly 15 minutes of screen time before the explosion. Cut scene would elongate this time a little and that’s where you can see Cameron’s attention to details.
Yes, this scene can be brought back. To delude myself, I can pretend that Burke truly thinks there is an alien inside him moving although it is actually not true. He is going mad imagining it is already at that stage while flashing on every moment he knew he was responsible for to bring him to this point.
While the Alien/Xeno might not have been ready to burst (48 hours assumed) psychosomatic symptoms of feeling the Alien moving around inside him might have been happening to him. Either way, since he was being left behind the Fusion Reactor was going to take him out anyway in minutes instead of hours. Judge Dredd vs Aliens quote which Ripley could have used, "I've got some bad news for you. You are going to be a mother."
Having been a young adult (late 20's) in the opening day audience I can tell you that the brilliance of this film was the decision not to lend itself to pretension. The other thing that made "Aliens" a sensation was the way Cameron avoided riffing on anything in the original. This was fresh and nothing felt borrowed. This was the first I've heard of this scene and my initial reaction was to wonder why Cameron hadn't cut this from the first draft. As purposed here, this would this have been a re-hash of what was a deleted scene from the original (as an act of compassion for a character the audience truly appreciated.) To have included this scene would have diminished the choice of Vasquez and Gorman to die with dignity by allowing the same "out" to a treacherous coward. The two "story beats" would have been too close to each other as well. It just goes back to my original point. As seen on opening day everybody was crushed with suspense the first time that tracking device picked up a signal because Newt didn't exist yet. By cutting a minute of toss-away footage introducing the family, all of that tension was dissipated in the name of making a quick buck. While I understand that fan fiction keeps many a franchise maleable far beyond any reasonable shelf life (and my generation pretty much ignited that flame,) sometimes one has to step back and ponder the benefits of philoshophizing a glass of water. The longer you stare at it, the less refreshing it becomes. Case in point: Look at the early reactions to "Solo" and ask yourself "Have I had enough yet?"
please add this scene to a new edition of Aliens. I'm such a big fan of the Aliens series and I love how they tied this film into the Predator series. And last but not least R.I.P Bill Paxton, your role as a Colonial Space Marine was awesome.
Include the scene. Burke's agony is clearly shown and adds to the horror of...you reap what you sow. Good Alien moment. Maybe do a video on the origin of the Big Chap name??? Was researching that myself yesterday.
Regarding Carter J. Burke’s fate and whether his hugger would have finished its business in time to make way for a dialogue scene in the film: you mentioned in another video (Ozona’s notes maybe, if I recall?) it was discovered that they could dynamically evolve either to gestate, to reach sexual maturity, or both at a faster rate if the hive determines their survival is threatened. There could be the possibility that a queen could signal commands to both drones and huggers telepathically, if you were to caveat off of Church’s research as well. That is still quite a lot of allegory for an audience to be aware of in order to suspend disbelief. That said, Cameron making an executive decision to play it safe and for the reasons you mentioned in this video was a good call. Scenes like that are what makes a fan stay curious and seek out the cannon in the source material to find answers to the finer details. Great video here! I own the Alien Quadrilogy box set and never took the time (yet) to view all the extras. This makes me want to dust it off now, thanks!
There is a 2-disc special edition. It also includes a little scene explaining what happened to Newt's brother and parents. I can't remember where I saw the sentry gun scene but it may be in a director's cut of the movie where Hudson and Vasquez were in the access tunnels programming sentry guns. Then they went off, killing a lot of the creatures. Hicks is about to grab his rifle and finish them when Ripley stops him because the guns stopped shooting. Nothing happens so they know they're safe for the moment. And Hicks says "Next time, they'll just come and knock." That line scared me.
I'm glad when a director has respect for the source material to delete a good scene. While it would be nice for this to be in the film as a sort of last laugh to an evil prick it makes more sense to go by what's been established as far as the Xeno's lifecycle is concerned.
Love your videos! Question: Why did the company not receive Ripley's last recorded message at the end of Alien when she was in the shuttle and about to go into hyper-sleep? If they did receive it, did they decide to ignore it and let her float around in space for eternity, not counting on a deep-salvage team finding her? And why did they not believe her story when she did return to earth? Supposedly the company knew all along about the derelict ship, the eggs, and the hostile aliens because they had previously intercepted the derelict ship's warning beacon. Did all of the current WY employees just not know about this information because at least 57 years had gone by and it was considered a dead topic?
I don't think that last message of Ripley's was supposed to go out to anyone. I have my doubts that a small escape shuttle like Narcissus would've even had the proper equipment to do that. I think Ripley's message was more just something for herself and/or for anyone who found her. Also, I'd imagine that after 57 years, virtually anyone in Weyland-Yutani who was involved with Special Order 937, Ash, and the Nostromo incident as a whole would've been dead or gone. It seems like Burke only found out about it during the colonization of LV-426.
“Bill me”.....Ripley says this when the discussion ensues regarding blowing up an expensive terraforming compound. Back in the 80’s, “bill me” was a popular phrase. I still use it sometimes.
I remember when aliens went through the theater, months go by and it finally made its way to tv, the tv version had all the deleted scenes in it , i wrote the company to see where to get that version, a year later the special edition vhs Version came out, go fiqure
I'm glad that they cut the footage, especially for the reasons stated. This reason has been one of the primary reasons why I have never enjoyed Alien3 or any of the Alien based films since. The life cycle of the alien is clearly implied in both Alien and Aliens, then seems to be subsequently thrown out the window after that. Its infuriating to say the least, none of the other movies make any sense when viewed in this context. Don't even get me started on the magic egg inside the Sulaco >.
Ripley thought that she was handing Burke a grenade to end his pain. But in the darkness, Ripley actually pulled out the USB solid state flash drive that contained the finished screenplays for all of the future Alien sequels and prequels. If you watch this Burke deleted scene closely, you can see that the flash drive's cap easily and quietly falls off. In the Vasquez death scene, the actual M40 High Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP) Grenade is equpped with a tightly-fitted vacuum-sealed cap to prevent the grenade's cap from accidentally coming off during combat and the vacuum-sealed grenade cap makes a sharp popping sound when it is pried off. The USB flash drive's cap easily detaches without a popping sound. After the alien queen was expelled from the Sulaco, Ripley was supposed to time-travel from Earth time 2179 back to Earth time 1987, copy the USB flash drive's screenplays onto 3.5-inch floppy disks, and deliver the disks to the screenwriters for Alien 3 and the other sequels and prequels. After Ripley realizes that she left the flash drive with Burke, Hicks sharply scolds her, "Ripley, damn, now all the other sequels and prequels will never be as good as the first two!" Ripley briefly considers whether she should sabotage Hicks' cryotube to hide her mistake, but sets up everyone for hypersleep. So we will never know just how exciting and amazing all of the other Alien sequels and prequels that followed "Alien" and "Aliens" could have been since the flash drive was lost forever on LV-426!
I personally like it on an artistic level- seeing Burke get his comeuppance and what it does for Ripleys character- showing she’s still no-nonsense but merciful. But I agree with Cameron’s logic of cutting it out.
The scene adds little, and it would have been gratuitous. If I had included it, being Cameron, I'd depicted burke not as "facehuggered", but violently compressed into a knot, limbs broken, and in the early process of becoming an egg, rather than having an embryo inside. The scene was under-effected, uncompelling. Aliens are far more horrific than "just some slime on his hands and face", and I would have shown the swollen distended face of Burke, his limbs half dissolved, broken (or twisted) and braided into a recently grown egg. I might also have added some new xenomorph shapes, i.e. a new organic thing that's burrowed into Burke's abdomen, and which should be clearly visible moving inside a gelatinous, organic sack embedded in Burke's torso.
I think it could have been done well if Ripley had been moving through the hive and happened to spot Burke's shiny ID card used to make video calls laying on the ground.. Laying just under where he was cocooned with a facehugger presently attached. She just happens to spot it.. Goes over and hunches down to get a closer look and sees his feet dangling. Scans up and there he is. She winces in silent horror and moves on..
Given this being one of the greats among scifi action movies, I go with Cameron: Adding a time continuation error for the sake of a non-relevant, albeit strong scene would have lessened that particular movie. Especially seeing that, a minute later, Ripley encounters Newt, who is not even being facehugged by this time.
I think it should have been included by this point. I remember back when the first Alien Vs Predator movie assaulted that the chestbusters were practically coming out before the facehuggers had time to SHREEEEEEEIII!!!!!
It's one of the complaint I have about AVP. We don't even have time to learn the character's names and there is already chestbursters coming out and 20 seconds later there is adult xenomorphs running everywhere. In the original Alien it took them hours to get out of the derelic ship and come back on the Nostromo and what seemed like another 12 hours before the facehugger fell off.
True, but I take that as the predators have enhanced the eggs and such to make the births more quicker for the testing of their young who go there. The Aliens have to birth quicker for the testing to be effective.
I specifically remember them mentioning trying to beat a rival research team to the site. I thought we would find out the other team had beat them there and they had been gestated. That would have kept intact the hours it takes for the facehugger eggs to grow, but no... That's not what they did. I'm a better writer than the writers of AvP....
good to note Cameron's concern for logic and the lifespan / timeline of the alien phases. That's what bothered me the most about Alien vs Predator (yes, the movie had a LOT of problems, but many I could suspend my disbelief and say "okay, it's fantasy/sci-fi", but the aliens (some of them) suddenly only needing a few MINUTES to attach, gestate, and burst through the chest...that was just terrible.
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The fact that Cameron sacrificed screenplay to maintain the accuracy of the alien life-cycle is exactly why this movie is so great. The attention to detail surpasses that of most movies. The director cared about the story, not the paycheck.
I sure wish the newer films maintained accuracy of the xenomorph life cycle :/
I still think it would've made a pretty solid moment.
@@DPH_PsychosisAVP style gestations lol
@@vaultboy4710 God. The scene where the predalien's inner jaw laid eggs in that woman's mouth...
Do you REALLY want to see the same 40 minute sequence over and over again already knowing what happens?....the embryo process length has no meaning past the first movie....cope
What a great movie. I’ve seen it a 100 times and I still watch it every time it’s on.
Why don’t you own it?😡
I don’t know. Maybe for the same reason I don’t own a lobster farm.
A T you don’t watch tv do you? Nobody watches real tv anymore
I’m an old guy. I watch tv. Hell, I even have a watch.
A T mate fair play, say it how it is. Sorry for being a jerk
"They're going to nail you right to the wall, you're not going to sleaze your way out of this one. Right to the WALL!"
Ripley's prediction was pretty spot on! Burke was more like glued to a wall, but still..
Heh, heh, heh... I never thought of THAT nail-glue connection before. NICE :-)
A Chaps well if this was said in aliens, then it could be a reference to how Ripley found Dallas and Brett in the drone's hive, where she saw them converted into eggs, and ultimately ended Dallas's suffering by destroying the hive with a flamethrower. This scene was absent from the theatrical release of alien I presume.
I don't think they were converted to eggs. They were simply cocooned out of instinct, even if there was no eggs or queen on board.
Bret was being formed into an egg. If you see the scene, an egg was forming around Dallas too.
dallas was turning into a egg as well? dont remember that
Funny how Cameron respects the stablished xenomorph life cycle more than Scott himself.
Axis of Evil yup, Scott seems more focused on drama than any actual logic consistency
And look what Scott did and shut down Blomkamp's version because everyone and even Cameron was hyped for it. He's a bitch for it. Now look, we won't get shit anymore since Disney owns it.
Its not funny..this is how you do a good movie.
Because Scott prequels are obviously inspired by DMT trips.
I applaud James Cameron for this. Even as I watched this video for the first time, I was thinking, ' but no, that's far too soon for the chest burster to emerge.' I don't know what's up with the AVPs and Scott's latest films making out like the gestation period was all of 10 minutes, if that. God forbid you create interesting tension instead of 'getting to the action.'
Ripley: "Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?"
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"Ma'am... I just said this creature was not indigenous. It was a derelict spacecraft. We homed in on its beacon."
Burke's hair, vest and plaid shirt were pretty distinctive - the scene would've worked with a face hugger on him but enough of his clothes and hair showing. Subtle but an awesome little Easter egg thing
Agreed. A glimpse of a cocooned, facehugged Burke would've been just as impactful, at zero cost to pacing or universe rules.
@@BIL0471 Yup, Ripley walks up to a facehugged burke, places the nade in his hand. Burkes hand tightens around the grenade and Ripley pulls the pin. I can see that in there.
Interesting thought. Maybe Ripley could have taken a moment to gaze at him and say, "Burke ..." without much sympathy, and continue on her way. I can see how that would work.
@@Gossettc68 doubtful. victims are unconscious while the hugger is attached.
@@omega311888 Unconscious doesn't mean you lose basic muscle reflex =P
You're not gonna sleaze your way out of this one. _RIGHT TO THE WALL_.
Ha
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Sleazy is as sleazy does Burke is a hero he's risin fast on that Weyland-Yutani Corp. ladder
It's in the Blu-Ray deleted scenes. I concur with Cameron on the time frame, he would still have a face hugger attached. Isn't it remarkable that we all seem to have the same passionate opinions about Burke and the rest of the characters in this movie, as we would if they were real? Amazing!!!
Is this in the Alien: Quadrilogy
Cameron was right on this one.
i strongly believe cameron was right as well, and his explanation is sound, i Kinda think it would have taken away from the pacing of the movie as well but i still would have liked to see it in the movie regardless lol
I agree with Cameron's reasoning also, but it would have been satisfying to see his fate as all of the other main characters had definite end scenes. (Correction: Hudson disappeared into the floor also.) While it does make sense that a facehugger would probably still be present, the pace was increased so much at that point I don't think many except the hardcore would have seen this incontinuity.
I believe it would have been even more badass if ripely had saved Hudson and newt and hudson helped ripely fight the queen as the badass he turned out to be
Iam Sam Hudson was killed by alien bursting out of his chest. it was explain in Alien colonel marines
That's a sad way to go. Should have been like Vasquez and Gorman... went out in a blaze of glory.
If Ripley walked by Burt with a Hugger on his face as she was making her way to the elevator and Newt pointed it out, and Ripley still just left him, it would add a lot of depth to the innocence of newt and contrast to Ripley's rescue, with added realism as she tries to escape the nest.
When the door opened and we all assumed the ALIEN had killed him is just fine
Exactly. Perfect as it was.
Cameron’s reason makes sense, but I’d also add that it sort of defeats the purpose of dropping the flares if you let Burke potentially blow up your escape route. Any collapse of that tunnel he’s in and you’re scrambling for another way out.
Excellent point
my thoughts exactly
@hardstyle905so true 👍🏼
Holy shit, Iv'e never heard of this deleted scene, awesome :)
Luke S to me suicide was fitting for him in a certain context it made him seem more cowardly. Not to sound insensitive to real victims of suicide
Luke S Me neither, i tought i knew everything about Aliens.
+ The Man 316 - are you calling every suicider a coward? Then I can call every non-suicider a coward, because he is scared of death
It's not on the behind the scenes disc either
@haiku spirit Any sources on this? very interesting
I admire Cameron for always trying to get rid of inconsistencies and illogical things in his movies. Obviously, you can still point me to a long lists of those happening in Avatar, Terminator, or other of his movies, but, compared to most other directors ... he is extremely thorough when it comes to the logic of the screenplay.
BTW, such approach would definitely not hurt Prometheus or Covenant. Maybe even made them enjoyable movies.
And he’s almost always already aware of any inconsistencies before anyone brings them up. Recently in a screening Q&A someone started to ask about the Metkayina in A2’s final battle and before they even finished the question Cameron said “Where did they go, right?”. There was an entire regroup sequence shot, but ultimately cut because during editing they made a conscious decision to stay focused on the core family at the cost of some continuity. Choosing what to keep or remove in the final edit must be a really difficult process, especially after spending so much of your life on something.
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Thank you very much. :) The series is so interesting and making these videos has been really fun.
I've actually wondered this myself for a while, even though I mostly just chocked up the Burk character being a douche and didn't give two shits about how or if he died. But even if he was cocooned he would have died either from the chestburster or the reactor. So the scene is nice but more or less pointless.
Yes, thank you :) Have you ever played the Alien Isolation game?
I have. It's awesome.
yea, it was good to see that scrote reap what he had sown - all those colonists and soldiers all because he wanted a percentage - revenge is sweet
...I'd always assumed the xenomorph just plain killed him because they're not 'always' harvesting...especially after the nest is disturbed and a number of them are killed - like disturbing a wasp's nest.
Well, Apone and other soldiers were captured and became hosts, so it's likely if we didn't see them being killed outright, like Hudson and Burke, they were likely also captured and cocooned.
They may have actually killed Hudson since he was actually putting up a fight. They may decided to kill you if you're killing them and harvest the ones they were able to ambush without a fight.
Ripley having found Newt, heads out, she hears a yell and turns to find Burk cacooned against the wall with an egg pulsating in front of him. A brief conversation about saving her and Newt. She hands him the explosive and turns to leave. The egg opens up and Ripley and Newt turn the corner and disappear, shortly thereafter a distant scream followed by an explosion. No time to look back or reflect, gotta keep moving...
This is better. ☝️☝️☝️
Cameron's concern about the timing of Ripley running into Burke and the time needed for implantation just goes to show the difference in what went on in making the great movies of the 70's/80's (and a few in the 90's) vs. what is made today. There was actual care taken in the logic behind fantastical, sci fi situations where today the attitude is "who the @#$% cares. We're just making a movie with some famous franchise title stamped on it to sell tickets."
Camerons logic is spot on. It should have been left out of the movie.
Agreed. I hate blatant inconsistency in films. Burke gets his obvious fate in his prior scene when he locks everyone else out and ironically traps himself with an Alien.
The emotional turmoil her character went through is one that not many would survive...
Cameron was right. But if she would have found Burke with a face huger on him and then walked on by that would be poetic justice.
Maybe she finds him cocooned but not implanted yet, tries to free him, but then the egg in front of him curls open and she nopes out fast.
We see only the look of horror in his eyes before the camera cuts back to Ripley continuing to race through the tunnel following the tracer signal.
We get Ripley's compassion *and* Burke's just-deserts!
On their way out, Ripley and Newt pass him face-hugged, though the camera doesn't draw attention to it, it is just there as they pass.
Thank god you 2 arent directors
It would have been difficult to recognize him with a facehugger covering him.
I love that Cameron left it out. From the moment Ripley is in the lift, prepping her weapons, it's mother versus mother. It becomes a narrative within a narrative. Perfectly crafted. That being said... Had he included Burke in the scene, he would have been better off Burke being pre-impregnated. Begging Ripley to let him out before a facehugger got him. And having Ripley show "mercy" not by letting him out of the cocoon but by handing him a grenade. That would have been bad-arse.
I'm fine with it staying cut, for two reasons. One, while it's interesting to learn Brett and Dallas's fate, restoring that scene in Alien does screw up the pacing of the finale. Two, I agree with Cameron's rationale for cutting it - it doesn't fit with the established implantation timescale. Perhaps a better solution would be for Ripley to find a concooned Burke with facehugger still attached, at which point she could either put him out of his suffering or not. But really, it's not needed - we can work out what happened to him.
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BUT in covenant, a face hugger implants an alien in a few seconds. The timing is all over the place in these movies.
I just think she wouldn't have noticed ... That's why he has to grab her ...
@@lepterfirefall Covenant was a movie that was made years after though, so that's the movie that disregards canon in that scenario.
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I'm with Cameron keep it out I'll contend that there wasn't even enough time for him to be gotten to the hive much less been face hugged.
Omg! I absolutely love this new scene. Thank you. I always thought that he was just killed when the alien found him but it makes sense that he would be implanted with an alien. I love it
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It would've been cool to see Burke get his in the end, I'm glad Cameron paid such close attention to details. This is one of my biggest issues with later Aliens movies like AvP. The time between face-hugger, to chest-burster, to full-grown Xenomorph would take place in a matter of 10 minutes in these new movies, when it clearly took far longer in the first Alien movie. Those little details make a huge difference. Better to lose a cool moment rather than sacrifice the storytelling
It could've added extra horror if Burke was found hysterical but alive and helped back to the ship, where he's put in hypersleep.
Only to have the Alien tear it's way from out of him in the Weyland Nakatomi executive meeting to the horror of the Weyland staff.
Hense the plot for ALIENS EARTH WAR.
Mike Lykan But then it wouldn't make sense. Why would they take him with them when there is a damn alien inside him!
It's SciFi Chris they wouldn't know he's a sneaky character it would be fitting. Just go with me on it...lol
Mike Lykan No way, bro. That way of thinking is exactly why the colony was infested in the first place.
I remember something similar to that story you just reccomended it's an aliens arcade shootem up first person game kind've like house of the dead, Earth was entirely taken over by the Xenomorphs in that game and aliens roamed the earth as the humans desperately flee
Your idea would ignore the established life cycle of the alien and it would depict Ripley as a retard. No thanks.
I've always liked the fact that we the viewers aren't shown explicitly what happens to Burke (and Hudson for that matter). We know, we get it, the terror and death that awaits them has been well established. The important thing is seeing that Burke couldn't escape the building tragedy he facilitated. Good cutting Cameron! Interesting that there was a similar scene similarly cut from Alien I with Dallas in a cocoon...
The reason for the cut is exactly what I expected. Based on what we saw in Alien, it would take about 18-24 hrs for the Alien to be impregnated…based on this, a bit of a waste of time filming this scene in the first place - he would have only been cocooned there for about 45 mins!
Even the others taken earlier on (Dietrich, Apone etc) would only be in the facehugger stage at this point
I read it was cannon somewhere that Hudson’s heart monitor stopped before he was able to get to the nest. Like basically right after he got pulled under and taken away. So he either ended it in some way himself or fought hard enough and got killed with acid or made such a problem they just killed him. Either way I like to know he didn’t end up with a fate like others
Should his arms be free? Either way, I wouldn't give a bomb to someone who knows they're going to die and doesn't care if I live.
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Honestly Ripley should have been like, "Man, sucks to be you Burke, but in 10 minutes this whole place is going to be a vapor cloud the size of Nebraska. So I don't really see the point in wasting a grenade. Buh-Bye!"
Interestingly, in the comics (yes, there was an Aliens comic book series!) Ripley gave him a grenade from her pouch and told him to use it. He was too much of a coward and said something like "N-no. I can't..." She leaves him. Then the rest of the scenes are just like in the movie leaving me to conclude that Burke died when the planet blew up.
People who don't live with honour won't likely die with honour. Burke probably would want someone next to him (and thus caught in the blast zone) as he pulls the pin, a form of substitute hand holding for a cowardly and selfish man, whom we can guess has no love based relationships back on Earth. It's a justifiable pre-judgement based on Burke's actions and earlier revealed intents. So, I too wouldn't hand Burke the grenade, he is not a decent enough person to bring about his end the way he should in a situation like that.
@@ClearOutSamskaras Burke has no choice, he could put the aliens out for revenge against them.. A coward can be vengeful.. There are worse cowards.. He's smart and greedy not stupid..
@@Flood520 exactly perfect, but also someone should take a dump on his head too on the way out.
Either way, Paul Reiser did an amazing job playing the part and is certainly a very integral part of why this movie holds the status that it does.
Sorry but Burke deserved to have his chest bursted open. And so does anyone who does what he did, for money.
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This kind of thing goes on every day all over the world....you think the 1%ers got where they are by being nice.
They literally and figuratively screw people for money!!
@Joe Franklin Nah mate, to get into that club you need to have a "c*nty streak"......thats how they get there, by screwing ppl over.
"The death he deserves ..." "He deserved it ..." and lines like that. I was a fan of the Dexter TV series, but seeing the episodes on YT and reading the comments is CREEPY. Many deserve death, but if your life was closely examined you too might be among them.
Myself as well, no human is exempt. Delivering death to those who "deserve" it though (as many Dexter comments applauded, and recommended we start doing in secret as he did *!*) does terrible things to ourselves. Ripley is Ripley, the hero we admire, because she didn't gloat. She gave him a way out to take while he still had his humanity, then moved on to save the innocent.
When I've been hurt (and for some reason this year 2019 has really piled on me) the only way out of the anger and grief, I've found, what works, is to HELP someone else. This isn't goody goody. Helping someone else is selfish ... it cures me.
Retired librarian / I apologize for ranting ...
Ripley was like “I got no time for you Burke” 😂
"You feeling it inside? What about those peoples you involved into? Yes, you're the company man, I searched and found something... So be there and at least die with honor."
this back when movies have integrity ...
Did it? It ruined the menace of the aliens from the previous movie. It replaced the realistic dialogue and characters of the first with 2 dimensional catch line spouting characters who are as sharp as bowling balls.
I understand James' reasoning, it's fine as it is, as a "deleted scene" bonus on discs/digital copies.
Yeesh. Poor bastard. My sympathies to the actor... it's got to kind of suck when you spend time in a makeup chair getting covered in goo and the scene is cut. But that's how it goes, I guess.
He gets paid for it so it doesn't matter to them
I worked on movies for a short while and whenever this kind of thing came up, I'd say "you can't cut what you don't shoot". In editing you have to be ready to give things up, and to a point it's better to have too much stuff than not enough. When Jon Badham had a set made up for WarGames, and the scene was cut before even they filmed in it, his response was something like "well, they have to tear down the set whether we shoot or not".
It is okay he got to make out with Helen Hunt for several years as part of his daily job.
I actually thought maybe it was cut because Paul Reiser is more of a comedian and doing this type of scene might be beyond his acting abilities
@@A-small-amount-of-peas Off screen was best.
In the words of Katsumoto from The Last Samurai "It was a good death".
Leaving Burke's fate unseen after his encounter with the alien would give a stronger conclusion to the movie. People did not like Burke's character. It is reasonable to expect the sympathy kill would diminish an audience's hatred of the character. Had it been Apone or one of the other marines getting found in that state, this would have been a better scene to leave/make in the movie.
Considering the amount of time a face-hugger has to do the deed, it makes sense why the scene was left on the cutting room floor.
Even if the reactor wasn't going critical, Ripley still would have more than enough time to nuke the whole colony from orbit before the chest-burster was fully developed.
It's rare when you have a director make a decision that respects the world building of a universe. Good on James Cameron for doing that.
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Alright, you heard the man and you know the drill. Assholes and elbows! Hudson, come here. Come here!
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The scene belongs on the cutting room floor. Not only is it narratively unnecessary (as the theatrical scene with the Alien peeling back its lips in preparation for a strike makes it clear what is about to happen to Burke), and not only is the timing insufficient for the facehugger to be absent, but most egregiously, the scene repeats the double-suicide moment between Gorman and Vasquez... but with only a single participant. It just doesn't work. At all.
What do you mean THEY cut the power? How could they cut the power man, they're animals!!
Daniel Lockaby my favorite line
Yeah these are smart.._.In a way
Smart xenomorphs
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It's a good thing that the Burke scene was deleted.
Many people enjoyed watching the "Burke getting killed" scene, including Paul Reiser's real mom when she watched the movie for the 1st time.
It would have deprived so many people from enjoying that satisfaction, especially Paul's mother. 🤣
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Thank you for watching! The channel is still pretty new but lots more is on the way...
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Leave it out because it disrupts the length of gestation of the xenomorphs. Ripley had one for like 3 days and you could argue it was a queen and needed more time in utero but then there is the first movie with Kane. He lasted for a day. Burke had one in him for like 30 min. Actually Apone and Dietrich should have been seen with Face huggers along with Burke.
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It would have been interesting if Ripley bumped into Burke's cocooned body with a facehugger on him. Ripley's compassion kicks in and she torches Burke and the facehugger. Ripley takes a moment to look over Burke's now-charred corpse, a stoic look on her face, but her eyes give a hint of emotion as she struggles with mixed feelings of ironic justice and sympathy.
Interesting to see what might have been, I'm glad it was omitted from the the final cut as the crux of that scene is the tension. Having Burke show up would have ruined it somewhat. The pressure on Ripley to find Newt and get out before the site goes nuclear makes this scene.
'Aliens' is always broadcast now with many deleted scenes added back in - about Ripley having a daughter; about characters on the planet before finding the aliens. I think the film is better in its original cinematic release, with those cut. Same, too, for finding Burke in the hive.
One reinstated scene that I think does fit well is the sentry robots guarding the corridor. Adds some action, adds to the tension of trying to keep the aliens out, and fits logically between 'that should keep them out' and 'oh, they must have found another way in'.
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Lets give Cameron some credit for caring about continuity. The same cant be said for Ridley Scott, what a disappointment if you think about it. James Cameron the guy that said the Navi and Xenomorphs exist in the same universe cared more about the property than Ridley.
Time-wise it would not have worked out with Burke already being infected (and the face hugger having released him).
They could have had Ripley find for instance Sgt. Apone in such a state.
Apone would've had the cojones to grab the alien bursting out of his chest, demand it salute and then shot the little bas***d for insubordination.
@@mazerunner1054 Oh man, I would have loved that. I always thought Apone was the inspiration for Sergeant Johnson in Halo :)
On the one hand, I respect that Cameron’s consistency on alien reproduction.
On the other hand, this is a great end for Burke’s character. It’s fitting because as you point out, he put the colonist through the same thing and as other people have pointed out in the comments, he was nailed to the wall.
Very well narrated. I think a really creepy version of that would be for her to have seen Burke with a Facehugger attached and then quietly pass so as to not draw attention?
If he had a facehugger on neither she not the audience would be able to tell it was him.
@@811chelseafc I duuno... Burke's flannel shirt with the arms rolled up... Who else would it be.
@@Outland9000 In the dark in the flickering shadows of that maze and slathered with resin, and not necessarily even at floor level, odds are that he would never have been noticed, let alone found and recognized.
I think when Ripley went back to rescue Newt, she should've found Hudson and the sargeant.
Maybe Ripley tries to rescue them, but they decide to blow themselves up as a distraction for the xenomorphs whilst Ripley goes to rescue Newt.
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Ultimately, I respect James Cameron's decision. As much as the scene would elaborate more on what happened to Burke, it would have broken suspense from the scene when it should focus on if Ripley would make it to Newt or not. Also, the life cycle of the facehugger would have been broken, as the hugger would still be on burke's face for at least another couple of hours, minimum.
The aliens must've watched "Mad About You"...I hear Helen Hunt was plastered next to him in the deleted scenes.
Wow, was it really that bad?, Never seen it.
@@jrewing2383 In the 90's, no one can hear you scream...
I never heard of this deleted scene either - love that he gets his. Thanks for showing AT....
Interesting. Most hacks, still called producers, directors and writers today (even if i cannot fathom why) doesn't give a shit about consistancy and continuity.
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Bill paxon’s character Hudson is my favorite!!!! So many great lines in this movie.
“Well that’s just f’n great man! Game over man, game over!”
“ damn this floor is freezing!”, “ want me too fetch your slippers?”, “gee, would you sir? That would be nice.”
I think Ripley helped him with the grenade out of compassion and as a sort of way to help herself later on. If she allows the chestburster to come through, it'll grow within a short time & just add to the wolf pack already hunting her, which is just another problem. So she does herself a favour too.
I always remember this from Newt's Tale - if you look carefully at around 3:20 in your video, you can see Burke dropping the grenade, therefore if you follow the comic as canon, he would have been killed in the reactor meltdown. As much as I agree, it is a fitting fate for Burke to have been cocooned, I agree that Cameron was right to leave it out and respect the alien lifecycle...some others chose to abandon in later films.
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Bad call?
THESE PEOPLE ARE DEAD BURKE
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After AI says “You now have 15 minutes to reach minimal safe distance” it passes exactly 15 minutes of screen time before the explosion. Cut scene would elongate this time a little and that’s where you can see Cameron’s attention to details.
Yes, this scene can be brought back. To delude myself, I can pretend that Burke truly thinks there is an alien inside him moving although it is actually not true. He is going mad imagining it is already at that stage while flashing on every moment he knew he was responsible for to bring him to this point.
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While the Alien/Xeno might not have been ready to burst (48 hours assumed) psychosomatic symptoms of feeling the Alien moving around inside him might have been happening to him. Either way, since he was being left behind the Fusion Reactor was going to take him out anyway in minutes instead of hours. Judge Dredd vs Aliens quote which Ripley could have used, "I've got some bad news for you. You are going to be a mother."
Having been a young adult (late 20's) in the opening day audience I can tell you that the brilliance of this film was the decision not to lend itself to pretension. The other thing that made "Aliens" a sensation was the way Cameron avoided riffing on anything in the original. This was fresh and nothing felt borrowed.
This was the first I've heard of this scene and my initial reaction was to wonder why Cameron hadn't cut this from the first draft.
As purposed here, this would this have been a re-hash of what was a deleted scene from the original (as an act of compassion for a character the audience truly appreciated.)
To have included this scene would have diminished the choice of Vasquez and Gorman to die with dignity by allowing the same "out" to a treacherous coward.
The two "story beats" would have been too close to each other as well. It just goes back to my original point.
As seen on opening day everybody was crushed with suspense the first time that tracking device picked up a signal because Newt didn't exist yet. By cutting a minute of toss-away footage introducing the family, all of that tension was dissipated in the name of making a quick buck.
While I understand that fan fiction keeps many a franchise maleable far beyond any reasonable shelf life (and my generation pretty much ignited that flame,) sometimes one has to step back and ponder the benefits of philoshophizing a glass of water. The longer you stare at it, the less refreshing it becomes.
Case in point: Look at the early reactions to "Solo" and ask yourself "Have I had enough yet?"
Watching Aliens in the basement with a friend of mine: "they cut the power..." right then we had a blackout. O.O True story...
“They’re in here....” 😱
My dad let us watch it when I was like 12....cut the power to the house in that moment. Not good
What do you mean *they* cut the power? They're animals!
“How can they cut the power they’re animals man!”-Hudson
please add this scene to a new edition of Aliens. I'm such a big fan of the Aliens series and I love how they tied this film into the Predator series. And last but not least R.I.P Bill Paxton, your role as a Colonial Space Marine was awesome.
Include the scene. Burke's agony is clearly shown and adds to the horror of...you reap what you sow. Good Alien moment. Maybe do a video on the origin of the Big Chap name??? Was researching that myself yesterday.
raptorrancher the Company hasn't a top man. It's a conglomerate of fools who put innocents in harms way with their lies.
Regarding Carter J. Burke’s fate and whether his hugger would have finished its business in time to make way for a dialogue scene in the film: you mentioned in another video (Ozona’s notes maybe, if I recall?) it was discovered that they could dynamically evolve either to gestate, to reach sexual maturity, or both at a faster rate if the hive determines their survival is threatened. There could be the possibility that a queen could signal commands to both drones and huggers telepathically, if you were to caveat off of Church’s research as well. That is still quite a lot of allegory for an audience to be aware of in order to suspend disbelief.
That said, Cameron making an executive decision to play it safe and for the reasons you mentioned in this video was a good call. Scenes like that are what makes a fan stay curious and seek out the cannon in the source material to find answers to the finer details. Great video here! I own the Alien Quadrilogy box set and never took the time (yet) to view all the extras. This makes me want to dust it off now, thanks!
Had no idea about this. I just assumed he was killed right then and there.
There is a 2-disc special edition. It also includes a little scene explaining what happened to Newt's brother and parents. I can't remember where I saw the sentry gun scene but it may be in a director's cut of the movie where Hudson and Vasquez were in the access tunnels programming sentry guns. Then they went off, killing a lot of the creatures. Hicks is about to grab his rifle and finish them when Ripley stops him because the guns stopped shooting. Nothing happens so they know they're safe for the moment. And Hicks says "Next time, they'll just come and knock." That line scared me.
When the warrior pulls his horse face you know that second set is coming out
I don't know about a link or any specific article but Alien Theory is a really cool youtube channel for anything ALIEN.
This wasnt even in the Aliens Special Edition i just got. I feel ripped off, actually not so much since i downloaded it for free lol.
Why would you feel ripped off? It's inclusion would actively make the movie worse.
I'm glad they took that scene out, it wasn't needed. Burke's end face to face with an Alien like it is in the film actually feels more satisfying.
I'm glad when a director has respect for the source material to delete a good scene. While it would be nice for this to be in the film as a sort of last laugh to an evil prick it makes more sense to go by what's been established as far as the Xeno's lifecycle is concerned.
I have to agree with Cameron. He is known for his attention to detail and this is a perfect example of it.
Love your videos! Question: Why did the company not receive Ripley's last recorded message at the end of Alien when she was in the shuttle and about to go into hyper-sleep? If they did receive it, did they decide to ignore it and let her float around in space for eternity, not counting on a deep-salvage team finding her? And why did they not believe her story when she did return to earth? Supposedly the company knew all along about the derelict ship, the eggs, and the hostile aliens because they had previously intercepted the derelict ship's warning beacon. Did all of the current WY employees just not know about this information because at least 57 years had gone by and it was considered a dead topic?
I don't think that last message of Ripley's was supposed to go out to anyone. I have my doubts that a small escape shuttle like Narcissus would've even had the proper equipment to do that. I think Ripley's message was more just something for herself and/or for anyone who found her. Also, I'd imagine that after 57 years, virtually anyone in Weyland-Yutani who was involved with Special Order 937, Ash, and the Nostromo incident as a whole would've been dead or gone. It seems like Burke only found out about it during the colonization of LV-426.
“Bill me”.....Ripley says this when the discussion ensues regarding blowing up an expensive terraforming compound.
Back in the 80’s, “bill me” was a popular phrase. I still use it sometimes.
Really informative channel Alien Theory. But, while were waiting for "Covenant". Why don't we build a Little Fire? Sing a couple of Songs?
Dakers11 nah, we'd better be getting back. It will be dark soon and they mostly come at night, mostly
rickey BE. . WHY Don't we put you in Charge !?
Affirmative.
You better just start dealing with it Dakers11
Not even the worst of people deserve a fate like this.
I remember when aliens went through the theater, months go by and it finally made its way to tv, the tv version had all the deleted scenes in it , i wrote the company to see where to get that version, a year later the special edition vhs Version came out, go fiqure
I'm glad that they cut the footage, especially for the reasons stated. This reason has been one of the primary reasons why I have never enjoyed Alien3 or any of the Alien based films since. The life cycle of the alien is clearly implied in both Alien and Aliens, then seems to be subsequently thrown out the window after that. Its infuriating to say the least, none of the other movies make any sense when viewed in this context. Don't even get me started on the magic egg inside the Sulaco >.
Ripley thought that she was handing Burke a grenade to end his pain. But in the darkness, Ripley actually pulled out the USB solid state flash drive that contained the finished screenplays for all of the future Alien sequels and prequels. If you watch this Burke deleted scene closely, you can see that the flash drive's cap easily and quietly falls off. In the Vasquez death scene, the actual M40 High Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP) Grenade is equpped with a tightly-fitted vacuum-sealed cap to prevent the grenade's cap from accidentally coming off during combat and the vacuum-sealed grenade cap makes a sharp popping sound when it is pried off. The USB flash drive's cap easily detaches without a popping sound.
After the alien queen was expelled from the Sulaco, Ripley was supposed to time-travel from Earth time 2179 back to Earth time 1987, copy the USB flash drive's screenplays onto 3.5-inch floppy disks, and deliver the disks to the screenwriters for Alien 3 and the other sequels and prequels. After Ripley realizes that she left the flash drive with Burke, Hicks sharply scolds her, "Ripley, damn, now all the other sequels and prequels will never be as good as the first two!" Ripley briefly considers whether she should sabotage Hicks' cryotube to hide her mistake, but sets up everyone for hypersleep. So we will never know just how exciting and amazing all of the other Alien sequels and prequels that followed "Alien" and "Aliens" could have been since the flash drive was lost forever on LV-426!
I personally like it on an artistic level- seeing Burke get his comeuppance and what it does for Ripleys character- showing she’s still no-nonsense but merciful. But I agree with Cameron’s logic of cutting it out.
What's your background music in your videos? I really like it. Great channel, love your analysis of the Alien universe.
Absolutely include this scene in an exclusive remastered director's cut!!
The scene adds little, and it would have been gratuitous. If I had included it, being Cameron, I'd depicted burke not as "facehuggered", but violently compressed into a knot, limbs broken, and in the early process of becoming an egg, rather than having an embryo inside. The scene was under-effected, uncompelling. Aliens are far more horrific than "just some slime on his hands and face", and I would have shown the swollen distended face of Burke, his limbs half dissolved, broken (or twisted) and braided into a recently grown egg. I might also have added some new xenomorph shapes, i.e. a new organic thing that's burrowed into Burke's abdomen, and which should be clearly visible moving inside a gelatinous, organic sack embedded in Burke's torso.
Khannea Sun Tzu goddamn
Khannea Sun Tzu but the queen lays the eggs. so I don't get that.
I think it could have been done well if Ripley had been moving through the hive and happened to spot Burke's shiny ID card used to make video calls laying on the ground.. Laying just under where he was cocooned with a facehugger presently attached. She just happens to spot it.. Goes over and hunches down to get a closer look and sees his feet dangling. Scans up and there he is. She winces in silent horror and moves on..
Given this being one of the greats among scifi action movies, I go with Cameron: Adding a time continuation error for the sake of a non-relevant, albeit strong scene would have lessened that particular movie. Especially seeing that, a minute later, Ripley encounters Newt, who is not even being facehugged by this time.
Thinking of writing some uber dark Alien origin fan fiction completely disregarding the Prometheus story etc. Love this channel!
I think it should have been included by this point. I remember back when the first Alien Vs Predator movie assaulted that the chestbusters were practically coming out before the facehuggers had time to SHREEEEEEEIII!!!!!
It's one of the complaint I have about AVP. We don't even have time to learn the character's names and there is already chestbursters coming out and 20 seconds later there is adult xenomorphs running everywhere. In the original Alien it took them hours to get out of the derelic ship and come back on the Nostromo and what seemed like another 12 hours before the facehugger fell off.
True, but I take that as the predators have enhanced the eggs and such to make the births more quicker for the testing of their young who go there. The Aliens have to birth quicker for the testing to be effective.
Michael Banno whatever helps you sleep at night. I still have nightmares about it lol
I specifically remember them mentioning trying to beat a rival research team to the site. I thought we would find out the other team had beat them there and they had been gestated. That would have kept intact the hours it takes for the facehugger eggs to grow, but no... That's not what they did. I'm a better writer than the writers of AvP....
LordHollow I 100% agree lol
good to note Cameron's concern for logic and the lifespan / timeline of the alien phases. That's what bothered me the most about Alien vs Predator (yes, the movie had a LOT of problems, but many I could suspend my disbelief and say "okay, it's fantasy/sci-fi", but the aliens (some of them) suddenly only needing a few MINUTES to attach, gestate, and burst through the chest...that was just terrible.