Mulan II - Nostalgia Critic
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2019
- One of the worst Disney sequels ever! How did this happen to a great...good...decent enough movie? Nostalgia Critic takes a look at Mulan II.
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Mulan II is a 2004 American direct-to-video Disney animated film directed by Darrell Rooney and Lynne Southerland and is a sequel to the 1998 animated film Mulan (originally released by theaters), featuring songs by Jeanine Tesori and Alexa Junge. Much of the cast from the first film returned, excluding Eddie Murphy (Mushu), Miriam Margolyes (The Matchmaker), James Hong (Chi-Fu), Chris Sanders (Little Brother), and Matthew Wilder (Ling's singing voice). Murphy and Margolyes were replaced by Mark Moseley and April Winchell, respectively; Little Brother was voiced by Frank Welker, and Gedde Watanabe does his own singing for the sequel.
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Please review The Lion King II: Simba's Pride.
Review An Extremely Goofy Movie.
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I honestly don’t care about the changes for the Live Action Mulan, I’m so excited for it, It’s still the same story, you guys should understand that the whole point of Mulan isn't about the talking comedic dragon, it’s not about the love interest and it’s not even about the songs what so ever
This whole story is about Mulan who is a female character who fights and kick ass for the right reasons, she does this to save her father's life, she does this so she brings honor to her family, she does this to prove herself that she can do anything
This movie is supposed to be about her, it’s one of those films that leads her up to become hero and saves her country, so i get you guys want this version to be exactly like the original Disney version, it’s still is, but sometimes, when it comes to Remakes and adaptations, it has to have changes to make it stand out on it’s own, there’s no need to keep it the same as the other version, it’s kinda pointless if they do that
Historically China did fall to the Mongols. Now we know why.
"Well at least they followed their hearts❤..." before the slaughters.⚰
@@JRussellGamerz lol
Oh yeah, very true indeed.
Lmao
Holy shit maybe that’s what the movie was going for LMAO
Mulan's whole attitude is kinda weird. She went to a match--maker in the first movie and was well aware of the cultural expectations on her and willing to fulfill them, only breaking tradition to safe her father's life but suddenly she only believes in marrying for love, even when so many lives are on the line?
Maybe mulan meant marriage to enemies but i guess it can be really the sane thing as its still somebody you dont know or probably love.
More like the sequel writers have no understanding of Confucian values and went for a super irritating "arranged marriage is wrong" schtick.
If they wanted that message, making her decide herself to get married after the whole cliff scene would make more sense. Upholds the idea of saving lives but also shows her making the choice to help the princesses.
She turned into a basic bitch in the 2nd movie. It was like they forgot the movie took place in ancient China...
Although she told Mushu that perhaps she didn't just break tradition to save her father's life. She wanted to see her true self in the mirror.
When Cinderella 3 is more female empowering than Mulan 2.
Hol up your right
Now I want a full-length Nostalgia Critic episode on Cinderella 3
Yep
Tannis I saw Mulan II a few nights ago and genuinely liked it. Saw Cinderella III on Sunday and genuinely liked it too. My parents also liked both films.
There was a third?
"How many Mulan movies does it take to tell a decent story?"
"Just one."
One... (throws arrow to Mulan 2020)
@@diegodubber2140 (And the live action movie)
@@HexManiacQuinn The live action movie, my god...
Don't get me started on that absolute disgrace to the original!
@@HexManiacQuinn "You may look like a reboot, but you will never bring the original movie honor!"
@@diegodubber2140 I came back here because it was either this video or the Disneycember one where Doug said that he really hated the sequel and that whatever the remake has coming, it couldn't be as bad and he looks forward to it. DAMN SON, HE ATE THOSE WORDS.
The reason Eddie Murphy doesn't voice Mushu in this is because there was a clause in his contract for doing "Shrek 2" and he had to do that film instead. Needless to say, he chose the better sequel.
Edit: Thanks for all the likes!
@@annieboookhall It really is. Some complain about the overuse of pop culture references and punny product placement ( same with Shark Tale later that year ) but it's still a fun flick. Not timeless, but fun.
Mulan II is probably about the same quality as live-action films Murphy has made in the last 20 years... absolute shit. So if he had done it, audiences would probably write it off as just another bad Eddie movie to toss on the garbage pile.
Until he chose poorly with Shrek the Third...
@@barkboingfloom This would've done worse to his career than "Meet Dave".
Yeees. .... the franchise that popularized many of today's most annoying tropes and cliches
He picked the best clearly
"There is no way the live action movie can possibly be worse than this."
Well, about that....
How the heck is that possible to make anotehr Mulan film worse than this?! Really, it's a genuine question, I need to satisfy this morbid curiosity!
hey why let a little political garbage get in the way of a bad remake
No this is still worse
@@aidanredding8058 at least you can avoid this one, there's nothing spotlighting it.
@@dorkfish1275 I can, have, and will continue to avoid the remake. I hear about it, and that's it. I refuse to give ANY amount of support to the live-action Disney remakes.
The idea of Shang finding out he was a prince would have worked so well here, if it meant he was part of the other kingdom. He and Mulan could have married, the alliance would have happened, and everything would have been fixed. It even would have made Mulan an official Disney princess. Or queen, but, six of one.
I mean it kinda worked in spaceballs. But then again that movie was made by a comedic genius.
The problem is that would have required thought. And can't expect an entire multi-million dollar studio to think of something like that, I mean it took what? 1 random person on the internet to think of that idea? Clearly something Disney's Sequel Team's collective 1 brain cell couldn't handle
CalveeThe FluffyEevee Shang is a royal guard which makes mulan a royal princess...:)^^
It's not like we were shown in the first movie he was the son of thr general...that wouldn't have worked. They could have instead shown the princesses that marrying someone they just met is not a good idea even if they are the ones to make the pick. Realistically, what is the difference between them marrying the soldier they've just met or a prince they've just met?
@@Ema-fm5zy So say the general adopted him or something. And we actually saw the princesses bonding with the soldiers. But forced marriage is rarely if ever a good idea, even in a Disney film.
Mushu: this is not about my pedestal, this about Mulan making the big mistake of my, I mean HER life.
Plankton: and I thought I was evil.
God damnit
I haven't watched an episode of SpongeBob in a decade and I still read that in his voice
😂😂😂
@@lethargictroll6788 it's a timeless classic
Mushu made the worst things he did in the 2nd movie of Mulan.
lol!
Fun things is, according to the deleted scenes... this movie actually had the chance of being interesting and good. The princesses actually had interesting arc, there was actual fighting and action- HECK the movie opened with Mulan and Shang infiltrating enemy lines and just barely making it out and that's when Shang proposes to her. HECK! It even turns out that Shang had a dragon gardian!
That would've been a better Mulan II. They should have it for the special edition.
Why didn’t we get this version of it. Oh right, money.
.... I don't know how many swear words I should say to Disney for bailing out on this much better plot.
I'd love to see an Alternate Reality where we had that be the sequel.
WHERE WAS THAT MOVIE?
Well, the ending makes sense. The Mongols *did* conquer China, after all.
And it was all Mulan's fault.
The alternative was going to war with them and probably losing so I don’t think it wouldn’t gotten much better
Peter Walker Technically, it’s Mushu’s fault for butting in.
I agree for a certain number of reasons.
Due to the writers botching it up and portraying Mushu as a villain. Not even a comedic one. Honestly, I've never seen a Disney character turn from both so likable and absolutely loyal to so despicable, petty, selfish, immature and absolute cringe inducing!
@@inaciostudiosmedia229 That's like having Kuzco learn about his behavior throughout the entire movie, and then completely forget about it in the Emperor's New School TV series!
"Even the horses look pissed off to be in this movie" I died 😂😂
"To hell with this shit; I was a cow in the first film!"
Well it was either this or Brokeback Mountain and I hear those horses are still in therapy
8:13
@@98953812 As someone who lives in the country, I would NOT want to milk that kind of cow though.
@@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 8:11
Honestly agree. Trash movie.
The ONLY thing it got right was the raw emotion from Mulan when Shang fell. I actually cried, caught up in the intense emotion, despite knowing its Disney and he's not dead.
Brittney Lester girl same!! The voice acting is amazing and the scene right after when she plunges the sword in the rain gets me every time. Why such an emotionally well done scene was in THIS movie I’ll never know 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
They did get that right I agree. Ming Na Wen, the voice of Mulan, even cried doing that scene and so did her mother. So it makes total sense why that scene had so much emotion.
Yeah that shit was INTENSE.
We wanted fighting but instead we got stupid drama!
@@pandagracie2825 To be fair, the last time that the Emperor decided to send out his army they got brutally slaughtered.
I don't know why but Mulan's face when she's laughing in the sequel reminds me of when sims laugh
OMG you're right!!!
Looks like she's gonna eat my soul
you mean sims 3? 🤣
mulan is creeping into my soul and would kill me in my sleep
@@dani010203stor in the sims 4 same expression
Huh... why is the recommendation telling me to rewatch a disneycember- OH GOD, it is an actual review!
My honest reaction.
Same here
Didn’t watch the whole video yet, hope he won’t blow out the mic again.
That’s what I thought.
*DISHONOR*
Was Mulan really all that concerned with "the heart" in the first movie? Wasn't the whole point of the first movie that she sacrificed her own wants for the sake of her family?
Actually she herself admitted toward the end that maybe she didn't just come for her father maybe she did come for herself. Maybe she wanted to prove she could be worth something and do things right. So no. Even when she wanted to do right by her family she was still thinking about herself and that's not bad.
*”Let’s get down to busi-“*
“No General”
“-ness....”
That sums up the whole film.
Like the father in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. "Stop that, Stop that were not doing that." "And No Singing!"
Good fucking job, you took a quote from the video and changed absolutely nothing about it
@@polipix_ thanks for noticing. Now what were you planning on gaining from this shit reply?
Yep, that's in the video
Hello I am the Nostalgia Critic I remember it so you don’t have to make a live action reboot
Too late 🤦♂️
Umm, what’s live action about it?
ThE GrOUnD.
@@alphadoughnut2651 Just a live action version of the animated movie from 1998. That's what.
You don't _have_ to, but you'll do it anyway...
Zuko: "Did someone say *honor* ?"
omg I was thinking the same thing. xD
[Insert Azula's Zuko Impression, in the episode with the train tank here]
HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT?!
“Nice Zuko costume but your scar is on the wrong side.”
HONOR! HONOR! HONOR!
I remember the dvd trailer for this movie.
It stated
"Mulan will have to choose between her duty and her heart."
I genuinely thought she was the one who was going to be married off for political reasons. And she'd have this complex conflict over wanting to marry Shang and marrying a stranger to save her country. That would have been way more interesting than this mess.
And my god, what did they do to Shang's beautiful face???
I agree. It would have been better and cause a real rift between them instead of Mushu doing childish things.
Shang wasn’t that handsome but here he’s fugly.
I asked that same question about every human male Disney character except Hercules when I played Kingdom Hearts 2…
I ask that same question whenever I watch the Aladdin tv series 😅
Anyone notice how our culture over hypes how amazing it would be
to be a Princess, but every time a Princess is shown in media they hate their lives.
So true on so many levels.
Being a princess doesn't sound too great from a more adult perspective. In more progressive societies you're prepared from birth to be a government official, and in traditional societies (what most Disney movies take place in) you are groomed to be sold or traded for diplomatic deals!
Think about it, princesses were just bargaining chips!
But little girls really want the title and status associated with it, as it comes with an awesome palace/castle and a walk-in closet filled with pretty, extravagant dresses.
This isn't even an opinion, it's an empirical fact! Disney made MILLIONS off of dress and costume sales after Frozen alone!
Well to be perfectly honest if i had to be in literal actual medieval times being a princess would be nice sure i would probably be treated like shit by my husband but at least i wouldn't be drinking water filled with shit
It be far better than being a peasant girl in the same time period
@@gdz5352 But we're talking about fantasy, & they often don't show peasants having any worries.
The facial animation in this movie is so bizarre and freaky. It’s like the faces are made out of rubber.
Drawn Gmod Animation
at least is not The Son of the Mask
Not as bizarre as the logic in the movie..
It always bothered me especially when they got angry
Asian dont raisin *GONE WRONG* [NOT CLICKBAIT] (ok kinda click bait but you wont judge me bc it's still HORRIFYING)
*facepalm* Shang threw a _shuriken._ A Chinese soldier threw a shuriken, literal _centuries_ before they were invented...in JAPAN.
..."Because Asian", I guess. *fuuu-*
Too bad the asian sweatshop animators don't have any say in this.
Search for "six point chinese throwing star"...they did exist in China before becoming well known in Japan.
se7en the great
But as early as Mulan?
@@eldermillennial8330 I can not answer your question for sure but the fact many of the Japanese and Korean weapons and militarized culture orginated, inspired and were influenced from and by China, I would not be suprised Chinese throwing stars existed before. However, it seem the Japanese took extra steps with throwing stars and advanced more with it.
I would like to give to the writers of this movie a big fat *GO FUCK YOURSELF.*
I loved how they censored out Critic saying "f**k you" by transitioning to a commercial break.
I mean wouldn't you be pissed off If a dragon tried Sabotaging your marriage?
I loved it to! 😂
11:20
I almost ACTUALLY threw up when you showed the Mulan laughing clip, JESUS I FORGOT HOW HORRIBLE THE SEQUEL WAS.
Was not even horrible
I thought the sequel was meh
I just rewatched Mulan ll for the first time and it really felt underwhelming and I didn't really care about much of it after hearing about so much negative backlash it recieved. I VERY nearly sold it away but i saved it only to give it another look since I've not watched it in a long time. But I don't even know if this was my guilty pleasure since I could bearly remember much of it after watching.
Well, the Mongols did eventually conquer China (and everything else), so I guess Mulan is responsible for the Emperor’s eventual execution.
The original story of Mulan ended with the mongels invading and her committing suicide rather than be gang raped and live as a slave. If I remember correctly
@@josephwatkins1190 You remember kind of right, but not really, the ending you are talking about is the Suit Tang romance ending, but that ending is a later invention, the original ending that appears in older poems is pretty happy and very similar to the one in the original Disney movie, she got offered a position as a concubine (sometimes another position), sherefuses and ask only for a orse or camel to go back to her village, her family embraces her, she comes back to dress as a woman, they celebrate and invite all her army buddie, which are shocked to know she is a women and joke about how they did not notice in 12 years.
@@josephwatkins1190 Isn't Mulan supposed to be much earlier. The Mongol conquest is in the 13th century and she fought the huns in the first movie and I think they disappeared in china before they showed up in europe when the western roman empire was still there. To be fair its not even so clear if the huns were from there as we only have writen sources by the people around them like the chinese and romans and they didn't pay much attention to the actual tribes and tended to call a whole bunchof them with the same name.
Basically yeah
That’s why the people who invaded China are called white huns, to differentiate from the regular huns, who attacked Rome
Disney at it's best 🤷♀️ 😑
No microphones were blown out during the making of this video
... A few vocal cords, but no microphones.
only the real ones get this
The same can't be said about the poor Disneycember review... :(
I assume we're mean't to conclude Mushu frightened the King off of declaring war?
And yet the stereo seems off
Ming na wen, is a badass. She can actually do a number of martial arts. THEY MUST HAVE HELD AN RPG RIGHT UP TO HER FAMILY’S FACES TO GET HER TO COME BACK FOR THIS
"My duty is to my heart"
When the hell did this become kingdom hearts?
Sora must have taught mulan a thing or two before he left...
@@KazuhasKatana this is now my head cannon
Technically, you could say she taught Sora since she came before him
@@Forgotten_Lore that makes no sense. Doesn't matter who came first or which is oldet. They are from 2 different worlds. And when sora left her world, he obviously said something about hearts. And nothing will convince me otherwise.
When the writers got a lobotomy.
Well, at least the ending is historically accurate. The mongols did invaded China.
And then the Blackmanes crossed paths with the Mongols and ended up having the mongols Destroyed
Over a thousand years later
And millions did die.
"We have invaded china," said the Mongols. "Please respect us, or else we might invade you as well."
@@JTF544 Japan & Blackmanes: Ok (bring out there Katanas and Iorn Spears)
‘The Mulan remake cannot possibly be worse.’
Disney: Challenge accepted.
Wait for Mulan 3
Oh God that’s worse😢 but it’s true. שחר א.
I heard they’re getting rid of the songs and mushu, is that true?
Private Walnut
*Mushu, and yes I believe so according to the rumors. Here’s my prediction: Mulan is a strong independent woman who is never listened to and disobeys her father to join the army. She’s a complete badass with little training and kicks ass on the battlefield as an obvious woman with her helmet off with a tiny Dragon as a pet/spirit guide who will save her at just the right moment.
I doubt Shen would even approach her for a relationship and probably will be trained by her somehow.
How’s that Disney? Am I in the park yet you greedy pricks?!
Private Walnut they want a more “historical correct” movie. Because that is what made the original Mulan film good, not the wise cracking Eddie Murphy Dragon, best training song since Eye of the Tiger or comedy
“All those problems..they weren’t us; THEY WERE YOU!” No hun, you’re projecting. Honestly if that was all it took to break them up I’m p r e t t y sure they’re not right for each other. That’s literally my entire thought process throughout the whole movie. Plus Shang was right the entire time??? Like you’re risking millions of peoples lives so that these princesses can marry some men they met 3 days ago??? That most likely will get bored of them in a year at most.
Not only that, but they are princesses. Now they married common men, so they won’t keep their titles and have to actually work for a living, something they’ve never done. They where complaining about pinchy shoes, which I guess might be an allusion to foot binding? Which I’m not sure of on there. But news flash a lot of women where subjected to that and also had to work the field! I’m so annoyed by this movie! I completely agree with you.
When Mulan was laughing, I instant thought that laugh was exactly the same thing going through Anakin’s head during the younglings scene.
DAMN
General Kenobi!
10:34 Well, to be fair, it's probably a pretty badass skunk. I mean, it somehow managed to travel from North America to China in the Middle Ages...
I'd probably run away from critters too. They might have rabies.
If it is supposed to be a stink badger ( benefit of doubt, etc ) it "just" had to swim maritime asia. It would also be the kind of animal restricted to a specific set of islands because they have no other choice. Even if a merchant had imported one, it would show up in a fancy resturant, not hunting an adult human through an enviroment that could easily kill it.
@@e2daron use a weapon
That was terrible. I love how the plot disappears and stops at the end after Mulans marriage which was never the point of their mission
The original deserves better
Duty- a moral or legal obligation
Heart- ones feelings or mood
Duty of the heart- selfish
It kinda depends, tbh.
oldschool european union: bunch of literal marriage unions of daughters in area of eu to be wed, so a peace was kept.
*NC: "Guys! Guys! Igot it, I got it! And then Mulan said, "not bad.... is good!"*
*Caption: WE CONQUERED WRITING!*
Simply genius! I laughed pretty damn hard at this one.
What is the song on that?
@@w.centerprisesbluestar8603 I wondered as well.
One of my favorite NC moments
The sequel brings so much dishonor on Mulan as a whole. No wonder there was never a third installment!
I mentioned this in channel awesome’s comment, but I wrote an alternate sequel with a friend because we hated this movie so much. Check my other comment if you want a summary of my version.
No wonder they want to keep mushu out of the remake
at least its historically accurate since the Chinese were invaded by the Mongols and like 45 Million Chinese died and the Dynasty was overthrown and destroyed and replaced by a Mongol Rule which lasted for the next few hundred years. So hurray for true love!
@@MrChickennugget360 Thanks, Mulan. Now go help Sofia the first!
Mulan 3: Great Mall of China, and Mulan's shopping adventure
“My duty is in my heart!”
It’s not a stupid line. She’s just prepping for her role in Kingdom Hearts 2.
Declan McKenna the Disney Universe was going to get destroyed regardless or not if Sora interfered with other worlds that aren’t his because of the fact that Xehanort was going to destroy the Disney Universe regardless of Sora helped them or not, so it only makes things better that Mulan having the same dialogue in Mulan 2 as Sora does all throughout the Kingdom Hearts video games.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr With Kingdom Hearts at least it's cheesy in a laughable way and hearts are an actual plot points. Here we are supposed to take it fully serious.
What about her appearance in "Sophia the first"?
That takes places in the first movie.
Declan McKenna Thank you for making my day
"There's no way the live action remake can be any worse!"
Disney, 2019: Hold my beer
The "follow your heart" message is so poorly handled, it actually makes me feel GUILTY to be a fan of Kingdom Hearts.
But kingdom hearts have keyblades
Actually I honestly think Kingdom Hearts handled it better. This movie was just...disappointing.
Xehanort should have destroyed this world instead of the Land of the Departure.
“My duty is to my heart.”
Man, no wonder Mulan was in Kingdom Hearts II.
Thankfully not this movie though.
@@Kari7 trust me, a lot of us were scared they might include it for kh 3.... Thank heavens they didn't
My duty is to shake my booty
My duty is to my toilet.
Critic: "There is no way it can possibly be worse than this."
Disney: Hold my beer.
What is worse than a movie which teaches children that love is more important than any critical duty?
Unraveler A live action version.
@@adiveler A movie that looks like it was animated by Dingo Pictures.
I'm watching you, Hunchback of Notres-Dâmes II.
The trailer for THE MULAN DISNEY REMAKE LOOKS SO FUCKING BORING
@@xelarande333 I'd say THE HUNCHBACK OF NOTREDAME II looks more like it was animated by GOODTIMES or GOLDEN FILMS
MC: the live action remake can’t be worse than this
Me: we’ll see critic, we’ll see
@Philip Good your comment aged like liquid oxygen in 90-degree heat
Is that...
A STAR WARS THE FORCE AWAKENS REFERENCE?
"I'd rather talk to Gurgy. YEAH, I SAID IT!"
I just love that
I'm guessing that one of the writers really hated Mushu, along with strong women.
So a writer for the powerpuff girls remake
where'd you get the "strong women" thing?
Don't act like any thought went into this. Mulan II was likely made by nobodies whose hastily scribbled first drafts were made into a movie because Disney wanted to save as much money as possible.
Nah. This is pure disney movie, essentially a cash grab product.
I relate to the hate mushu part
Are there even skunks and porcupines in China? I don’t think the writers of this sequel really studied Chinese geography that much...
The closest thing to a skunk in Asia, let alone the Old World, would be the stink badgers...that live on islands far away from mainland China. There are Old World porcupines...who, in the case of Asia, live on the same islands as the stink badgers. The grey squirrel is New World.
Related, but I'm not sure there are oak trees in China either. Wikipedia says they can be found in Asia, but not sure if China is one of those areas.
There are, chinese oak wood is frequently used for martial art weapons.
@@Nejvyn Oh neat.
shouldn't it be cobras and badgers and wolves instead of porcupines and skunks?
"There's no way the live action remake can be worse than this."
Oh if I had a nickel for every time that quote didn't age well, I'd have enough to feed all of China.
they Americanised it way too much. i like the hua mulan 2009 movie the best (chinese)
Fun fact: when critic said that Mulan 2 was doing the same plot as brave, I looked it up and brave came out 8 YEARS AFTER MULAN 2! Think about that brave fans!
At least brave made up for it's lack of action with a really powerful emotional arc that honestly inspired me to get back in touch with family members I had cut out of my own life.
@@jarongreen5480 not to mention Brave looked amazing (except for Merida’s face. I’d have liked it if they made her look a little more fierce. Just a little)! Those environments looked beautiful! It almost makes me want to go visit Scotland one day!
@@jarongreen5480 plus the humor.
Well I guess he should say “Disney your just eight years away, eight years away…”
@@KingCasual1986 I think Merida had the perfect face. Youthful but still rebellious. The face of someone who breaks the rules. Besides her mother covered that fierceness in her face.
Hey, in real life China was taken over by the Mongols for 100 years. Maybe this was a prequel to that.
You don't get it do you? They had to follow their HEARTS.
Hououin Kyouma Even if their hearts were outside of their bodies.
I guess we're mean't to assume Mushu frightened the King into backing off war...
I see a connection here....
Mhm *nods head*
Is Mulan like 800 years old since she fought both the huns and the Mongols?
Oh dear, really? The Huns did not even have much to do with China - they were united in fighting the Byzantines! So, in the live action movie she will be up against, what, Inuit?
Ian Dall It's believed the Hunnic People were forced out of there homeland by either another horde or the China of the time.
@@rminkof European Huns are a successor people to the Great/Asian Huns from modern day Mongolia (Great Hunnic Empire of Teoman and Mete Khan being considered the first Turkic state and the beginning of the Turkish Ground/Armed Forces) who later had to migrate west and became at least two distinct groups. The White Huns near Afghanistan/India and the much more famous European Huns of Atilla.
@@rminkof Knowing modern Disney? probably the PATRIARCHY...
Mulan 3: The Opium Wars. The movie where Mushu becomes an opium druggie and Mulan has enough of it and starts a war against the opium, unbeknownst to how much the British are willing to do.
Mulan fans: I hope the remake never comes out.
Covid-19:I got you buddy.
If only.
Watching this as a kid, the conflict between mulan, Shane, and mushu was insufferable. I actually enjoyed the guys and the princesses getting together quite a bit though.
Meanwhile, Dante Basco is still searching for his HONOR!
*HONOR!* 🔥
*HONOR!!* 🔥🔥
*HONOR!!!* 🔥🔥🔥
MALEMization Zuko: HONNNOOOORRRR!!!!
Meanwhile, avatar is getting its fourth season told through comics
MALEMization Isn’t he the new ruler of the fire nation?
@@mintbrisk5961 yes
"My duty is to my heart"
Sounds like a line from Kingdom Hearts
Kingdom Hearts has nothing on this.
Don't give nomura ideas
@@ElijahPerryMedia Big Hero 6 in 3 had a real cheesy line
I've been a kh fan since the first game and I can confirm that there are lines like this
@@ElijahPerryMedia I think it's safe to say Mulan 2 won't be in KH.
I love the original movie and this movie is soo offensive.
How offensive is it?
@@thefantasticretroreviewer3941 really offensive like I recently watched on Disney + and I really hated it the only thing I like where the three princess getting with the army guys I thought that was pretty cute and I guess the animation was fine but for some reason that makes it even worst.
@@trixxartarchive7705 Okay, now I see why
@@thefantasticretroreviewer3941 yeah I didn't mean that it was like personal offensive.
@@trixxartarchive7705 So you didn't really mean its offensive, that is just another way of saying how terrible Mulan 2 is.
That kind of makes sense to me or something.
I'd watch a Back to the Future sequel that was a cooking show.
The only part of this I liked was the relationship of the princesses and the guards. Everything else sucked. It ruined Mulan, and it DESTROYED Mushu.
Mushu already destroyed himself in the first movie by being the only thing wrong with it.
Destroyed Shang too
Let's just pretend that the plot is about the guards getting girlfriends and the rest is our nightmare juice kicking in!
I agree, eventhough it was kind of forced, it was still cute
@@samahissimplistic Yeah it is.
"Aren't there rules?"
"Of course, right next to the rules about dressing up like a man and joining the army - by the way, you're still slated for execution."
Nice reference to one of the not-so-nice endings from the original myth XD
It was not a myth, but a Ballad.
The one I read she was accepted i to the army due to still being a good soldier. She was also called to the Palace and offered the chance to be his Concubine. Which is actually quite a high honor in China, as Chinese Concubines were much closer to actual wives then they were in the West
@@blankblank1284 From what I recall, there were at least two different ending variations - the one you just described (although she committed suicide in that one) and one in which she was executed for impersonating a man. I *think* there might've been a third variant where she lived but my memory is a bit fuzzy on that.
@@EagleTimberWolf
Mine is fuzzy too, it's been awhile.
Actually, in the oldest version of the ballad, she simply goes home and then reveals to her most trusted comrades that she was a woman all along, with zero repercussions; en.wikisource.org/wiki/Translation:Ballad_of_Mulan
It was only in the later versions that they added in the parts of her being chosen as a concubine and committing suicide or being executed.
It seems that female characters aren't getting more progressive, the newer modern versions are simply reclaiming lost ground.
@@blondbraid7986 Yup! That's the version I was thinking of where she survived XD Thanks for the reminder
"Let's get down to busi..."🎶
"No, general."
"... ness?"😂
In all honesty, the irony for me is that the original Mulan legend did sort of feature an arranged marriage. After returning home from war, Mulan was supposed to become the Emperor's concubine. But Mulan killed herself rather than live that life.
So strangely enough, you could have done something with this plot and still make it awesome. In fact I came up with one.
Mulan and Shang get engaged. But they both get summoned to the Emperor who explains the threat about the Monguls and the need for an alliance. His proposed solution is to offer Mulan to that kingdom's ruler, not because it would unite any land, but as a status symbol for the foreign ruler. (The main reason for this is to keep to the original story's roots without betraying the original movie's Emperor respecting her enough to bow to her.) The Emperor begs Mulan to do this and maybe throws in that as a protector of her people, her honor means she must do what she can for them. Mulan and Shang of course do not stand by this, and instead offer to the Emperor the solution that they will go undercover against the Monguls, wound them before they can strike. If they can't defeat the army, Mulan must go to the Kingdom so that the alliance will hold. They gather the three men (it is an undercover mission after all, you don't want too many), go off into enemy territory, scout their fortress (base camp, stronghold, whatever) or natural bridge that the Monguls are using as a way to transport their supplies and find that if they can blow it up, they will cripple the Monguls' supplies and their supply line. We get a detailed plan of how they are going to take the base, and maybe we get a training montage of the characters preparing for the challenges, including Mulan sparring and defeating all the guys. We get a conversation the night before they attack where Mulan confesses to Shang that she cannot fail because she couldn't live a life forced to be something she's not (a callback to the original Reflection and an acknowledgement of the decision the Mulan legend made). They attack the base, in full blown camoflauge, things are going well and then they're discovered.
It's at this point that I would do one thing Disney would never do.
Disney, they manage to win the day, Mulan and Shang get married, etc. etc
.
What I would do? I'd have Mulan is able to get past enemy lines while the men are stopped trying to hold their own against the Monguls. Mulan gets to the explosion point and readies the bomb, but the "villain comes in and the fuses are knocked out of the base. Mulan realizes there is no way out. And she thinks back to what will happen if she doesn't do this. She lights the canons, the explosives, gunpowder while she is still there, because she can't time it anymore, and the whole base blows up with Mulan still inside. Shang is devastated and returns to Mulan's home to grieve with her family. And maybe he sees her spirit out of the corner of his eye in the ancestor's temple. A beautiful woman, wearing royal armor, kneeling at the feet of the dragon guardian statue, taking her place as the true dragon guardian.
My idea still has problems, but it includes action, forces Mulan to make tough choices for the good of her people while still remaining true to herself, pays homage to the original legend, has send ups to the original movie, and actually treats Mulan with dignity.
Too bad disney would never have the balls to kill off Mulan. But I think it would've seriously gotten a really strong emotional reaction out of people watching the movie, especially those who saw the first one.
All in all, I commend you for your idea, very well thought out, my guy. (Or girl.)
That's very well thought out! Seeing her at the ancestor's temple is a lovely bittersweet touch and a nice bookend.
Mulan: ♪China is whole, again♪
Mulan 2: ♪Then it broke, again♪
R/unexpectedbillwurtz
But at least we can take comfort in TURKEY, TURKEY MAKES A BRAND NEW TURKEY!
Now that you did this movie, you should do Hunchback of Notre Dame 2
Jeremy Neil i think he already did talk about it but couldn't go into depth
so yeah it would be great !
NO!
I would not wish that on my worst enemy!
Yeah! Or Little Mermaid 2!
Oh boy that movie is a stinker
Critic: This dude led a whole army against the Huns and he's running away from a squirrel, a skunk, a porcupine and a mouse?
Me: Hey! Skunks are nothing to laugh at!
Seriously, you mess with the little fellers and your whole world is down under.
Porcupines are the same, those are no push overs
@@seandewar47 Technically they are, if anything they run away from ppl not chase them the quills just make them hard to touch but don't actually shoot anything like cartoons show them doing.
Skunks are cute though. The way they eat dry cat food is adorable.
22:50 Cue Prince Zuko from the Ember Island play: "Honoooooooor!!!"
Honor on YOU Doug, honor on your cow, and honor on your WHOLE family!!!!! 😁👍
What about cricket?
HONOR
I really loved Mulan 2 as a child. Mostly because of the games on the DVD but still.. Totally didn't realised it was that...That.
@Michael Beld yes! There was also this one about not waking up someone in a tent.. Those games were real nice for DVD - features
You mean to tell me that the DVD had games?!
@@thecoffeeshopat2am173 yes, not waking up shang, for example
same
Yep......me too
The writers must’ve been told they get a nickel for every time they put “My duty is to my heart” in the script
Hey, this is extremely late, but I'm actually good friends with one of the main writers of Mulan 2! Fun story, when they were added to the team to write the script, the producers had already typed up a one-pager, and the writers weren't allowed to alter it in any way. The writers knew it sucked but just went with it anyway. Though, the neat thing is that my friend is now the official writer of Mushu, and if they ever need lines for Mushu, like at the theme parks, they go to them. Granted, they haven't in a while cause Mushu went MIA, but still, haha.
"My duty is to my heart"
Leave that terrible line in Kingdom Hearts where you found it!
"My duty is to my heart"
^proceeds to eat a meal from Mcdonalds and clog arteries^
Yeah how come that corny first grade storytelling bullshit gets rightfully panned here, but is hailed as fantastic and touching moments in KH? I love the games, but god damn does the writing range from corny to shitty.
A single line in this film from the matchmaker sums up the whole thing:
*ahem*
"COME BACK WHEN YOU GET PERSONALITIES!"
3:56 IT'S THE JOKERS DAUGHTER AND SHE TRAVELED BACK IN TIME!
If they wanted an action-packed climax.
Here's what I would have done.
Have them say at the beginning there're only two ways to make the other consider forming an alliance.
They have to fight their strongest warrior OR have the princesses be married.
How their strongest warrior has the high kill count.
It'll be considered more strategic to have the princess married off.
When they get there and the princess has decided they want to be with the other guys (personally I think they should go through a decision where they decide they want to be free to choose their loves and only one of them decides to form a relationship with one of the other guys.) Only then it's decided that they should fight.
I never saw this.
I don't plan too.
Thank you for remembering, so we don't freaking have too.
*to
*to
God have you been spared.
@@jekblom123 OH MY GOSH YOU'RE RIGHT.
That bit of Mulan's evil laugh at 3:45 has me in TEARS 😂😂
Same here lol man
Not to mention the crosseyed expression for some reason grabbed my attention as the camera from the NC zooms in on Mulan. I get the feeling that the expressions in this movie almost feels like Cans Without Labels.
Also, by the way she looks around, it looks like she plans on eating all these children...
She looked stressed to teach those kids so much, she is laughing with insanity. And gonna cry in the bathtub when she gets home and be like, ”WTF am I doing with my life!!!!?”
Nostalgia Critic: China is so dead.
2020: It sure is.
(13:24) That's quite the detail added to the film.
Yao reacts in distaste for the statement of intelligent girls; whilst Ling and Chien-Po only disliked it when she messed up the song. ... Although they said "nah" to it all at the end anyway.
“Oh no I’m Shang! Wait no, I’m just sad”
Me: What’s the difference?
2 things that I learned from this:
"China is so dead."
"Prepare to meet Kali."
IN HELL
Mulan: IM A BAD ASS WARRIOR WHO SAVED CHINA!
Mulan II: you still a woman.
I understand some people’s concern for the sequel, but I actually feel, at its core, it was very well written. If we pick apart Mulan’s character from the first film, we can see that whenever a problem gets in her way, she stops and thinks to herself, “Is there a better way?” Late on chores? Get my dog to do them for me. My father can’t fight, what do I do? I’ll take his place instead. Can’t climb and get the arrow with strength alone? Use leverage to my advantage. Only one cannon left? Defy orders and create an avalanche! Can’t ram our way through the doors? Let’s disguise ourselves and sneak inside! The emperor is now safe, but captain is unconscious, what do I do? Cut off my immediate means of escape and take on the Hun leader myself! Time and time again she weighs her options and makes her decisions because her heart/gut instincts compel her to make the “better” choice.
Li Shang on the other hand is a very dutiful guy. He is very loyal and honest, and when he’s sincere, he means it. He loves his fiancée and knows how lucky he is to have her. However, with his military upbringing, his way of thinking is, “There’s already a tried and true way of doing things. I’m going to give 100% of myself and get the job done as asked.” In short, Mulan is more spontaneous, and Li Shang is more by the book.
But what does this have to do with the sequel? Well, that’s the mind blowing part! The theme of the movie has shifted. Instead of Mulan finding who she is when faced with adversity, now she has to realize what it takes to make a relationship work. The true theme of the sequel is about Yin and Yang! Our world is full of uniqueness and (by consequence) opposites, and yet we still find ways to get along. We may not always get on well, but we can also respectfully support each other and bring out the best in each other. We can see the value each person brings to the team and appreciate them for it. And just as the ☯️ symbol depicts, two sides complete a whole as they revolve around each other and their dynamics fluctuate. And also! The dots of the opposite color mean that we are supposed to evolve and grow as we appreciate the wisdom the other person brings! And that’s exactly what happened with Mulan and Shang.
The saddest scene ever (aside from mufasa dying) brings Mulan and Shang’s personalities to the breaking point. Because Mulan loves Shang, she *isn’t* letting him go! But because Shang loves Mulan, he *is* letting go, so she can live! 😭 and after a long painful night of grief, Mulan comes to the conclusion that there is one last “better way” to complete the mission without the princesses. She shoulders Shang’s memory and is ready to complete her duty, even though her heart isn’t in it. But even better! Shang is actually alive! And he realizes that as much as he wants to protect his country, he is willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for the love of his life. There isn’t anything he would put above her. He knows what it means to “follow the duty of his heart”.
Both characters were written authentically to their personalities, and yet evolved in such a believable and organic way! The writing of their character arches is exactly like the cycle of yin and yang spiraling faster and faster as the movie progresses and they get closer and closer to reaching their relationship balance.
P.s. The only thing I dislike is that Mushu’s character had to get thrown under the bus for the plot to progress. 😏 That, and I think people miss having the awesome action sequences the war brought.
sakura hanuro I still didn't like mulan 2 in my opinion...
7:28
I see a Rat, a Bunny, and a Dragon in their shadows
Maybe that's to show the sisters' Chinese Zodiac signs
Subtle i guess but why would we need to know that?
I see a tepig.
@@damotoneko1500 I don't know. Maybe to show their age differences I guess😞
@@dinodare1605 Well, to be fair, all Fire starters in Pokemon are believed to be based on Chinese Zodiac signs.
@@damotoneko1500 doesnt.. everyone know the chinese zodiacs? Or at least 3 of them?
Pretty sure the Mongols won that war… historically speaking.
Clearly because the writers made the premise feel like it's all over the place.
Really? Because China is like the biggest and most populated country, period at least nowadays
@@gaminggoof1542
Ever heard the name Genghis Khan?
Yeah.
Eventually. Took some sixty plus years tho.
@Harris Andon Fu
Doesn't really contradict my statement.
He claimed he have a disbelief over the mongols capability of conquering china, so I reminded him about that time the Mongols conquered china.
19:39 Wait a minute. Shurikens are *Japanese*
Yes. That's what I made a comment on.
also there are American Skunks in China.
This comment is still better than the film.
Doug was right, Disney ruined again his own success product with another pathetic liveaction.
4:18 Mushu without Eddie Murphy is like The Genie without Robin Williams it just doesn't work and it's just NOT FUNNY
I thought the Homer Simpson Genie was okay. Actually, I didn't really even notice that they changed the voice actor in the second movie... when I was a kid. Now it's pretty obvious but still, he wasn't 'too' bad.
Too bad will Smith genie was better lol
@@Seanidor Coincidentally, in the Italian dub for Mulan 2, Mushu was voiced by the guy who played Homer Simpson in Italian: the late Tonino Accolla.
Oh, man, this sequel ENRAGED me both as someone who is interested in Chinese history and culture and as a fan of Mushu.
GURL POWR and TRUE LOVE > the survival of an entire nation. Priorities!
in a meta way it would have been funny, refreshing to show, in a movie where modern women values were implemented back in the time, and everyone would have died because of it.
"There is nothing possibly worse than this. ": mulan 2020
I like how he said "there's no way the live action can be worse than this sequel" but now that I've seen the live action version I'm not too sure about that
I have to agree with Doug on Mulan II. This DVD sequel made me angry all throughout the movie.
Same. It wasn't just that the sequel missed the entire point of the first movie, its like the writer deliberately tried to go against everything the first movie said about courage and responsibility while also insulting it.
Not to mention trying to force modern ethics into a historic period with totally different standards
Supposedly there was a third movie plan that was supposed to deal with the consequences of the second movie but i think Disney scrapped due to how dark it is
What will make you angrier is that this was actually released in theaters. I know, I went to see it when it came out.
@@Iqbalx1 How dark? Not likely. Far more plausible they scrapped it because no one would bother seeing it after 2.
Ok, calling Shang's horse Aragorn's Uber driver is the best title for horses *ever*
About the remake not being able to be worse than this...
NO. My everloving ass.
That 2020 live-action abomination is what truly spat in the face of the original movie from 1998.
Dishonor on that live-action abomination and on its cow.
11:25 "I have two nasty words for you too. FFFFF--"
(cuts to theme song) 🤣🤣
Well he's right. The muted "Fuck You!" Is two words.
The Mulan world in kingdom hearts 2 is better than this whole movie.
Kellen Ward I dare say this is better than the conclusion of KH3.
Kellen Ward That was one of my favorite levels and they combined move was awesome.
@@leosolcanonizado4065 Can we argue about KH3 AFTER ReMind?
It'll probably still suck, but at least Nomura won't have any more excuses after it comes out!
.... until Verum Rex......in 2025
You mean Master Form grind world?
@@TheZorginator1 No the friend move you perform with Mulan where at the end fireballs fall from the sky.
*sees Mulan II in 2015*
*hates it and continues to hate it for 4 years*
*sees Nostalgia Critic review on Mulan II in 2019*
Aw yiss, destroy them Critic, DESTROY THEM ALL MUAHAHAHAHA!!!
Nostalgia Critic: "There's no way the live action movie could possibly be worse than this!"
Well that aged like milk
7:06, The way he reacts to the money always gets me! xD
The weird thing is I would totally watch Marty and Doc Brown if they had a cooking show.
"Marty! If we don't cook the wine reduction and stir it constantly under low temperature the consequences could be DISASTROUS!!!"
@@chapablo " That's Heavy, Doc. "
Me too 😂
“Chinese buffet kids menu...”
Proceeds to show a Japanese kids menu.
Agreed
@Surya Singh While the Japanese writing system does borrow Chinese characters, they have their own 'alphabet'-type system (2, technically). Generally, if most of the characters are written with just 1 or 2 lines (like counting pen strokes), then it's probably Japanese.
Also, Japan uses English words much more often than China, mainly due to it being a mandatory second language, so that's another hint.
@Surya Singh you would think that they made sure to actually get it right since it is someone's culture and they are two separate cultures. Might just be a little bit disrespectful including because he took the time to edit it in.
@JoeRingo118 One could Google it, especially since it's cheap anyway. Or an element of self-awareness would have made the joke funnier instead of seeming like minimal effort.
@JoeRingo118 It seems based on this thread that to those who notice it detracted from the joke, this defeating the purpose. I'm not trying to talk about racism, I'm just saying that an extra two seconds would have made it less distracting for those who notice. Sure it's not the end of the world, but the point is there.
''I remember how happy I was when I thought Shang died''
Screenwriter: ''oh he didn't actually die...''
Me: ''Oh yeah. The only characters they are allowed to get killed off are the parents.''