It's a shame that the puppet was so poorly composited into the film, because the way that it MOVES is legitimately terrifying and a rather cool effect.
Yeah honestly it at least needed better color correction. It always had a green halo around it that didn't match the surroundings. Wish the movie had gotten remastered.
@@MapleLeafAce That was nearly impossible to do on an optical printer and very few studios at the time did digital compositing. That all changed in the following two years.
@@houstonhelicoptertours1006 yeah for that reason i really wish they had held off on it until after T2 coz then we may have got a James Cameron production of Alien 3 though it would most likely have been a completely different film and story as he has openly criticised David Fincher for killing off Hicks and Noot! despite all this i still really like the film - its is a good overarching story and some rich characters especially the doctor played by Charles Dance. the CGI does ruin the shots but if you can see past those brief moments its still a pretty solid film. in contrast the CGI was much better in Resurrection but it was overall not as good a film Alien 3 (imo). 2 centuries after the events of 3 was a little over the top.....in that universe they would have advanced a lot more in 200 yrs than we see in the film and the plot of Ripley being cloned to removed the alien didnt make sense.....so many other flops but again like Alien 3 its still enjoyable and entertaining to watch...........but alas nothing compares to the masterpieces that are ALIEN + ALIENS by 2 of the best film makers in the business.......although both Cameron and Scott have lost the plot with their latest ventures (covenant was not terrible but no good either) and as for............ Terminate Dark Fate??????????? WTF?????! ATTROCIOUS
Yeah I've always wondered if they had any of the raw footage still if it would be possible to go back and redo the compositing? If so I think it could look awesome.
@@ymb9shinzou743 Tell you what, I'd settle for a hi-rez version of this documentary...though at best it would likely have been 16mm. There's some lovely unused puppetry in there.
Alien 1 and 2 are the best. But i love the Location of Alien 3. A dark Komplex. No Weapons, no Soldiers, no way out and no help. It is a real cool movie.
As a fanboy, it still is disapointing, but I really love the directors cut and I can truly see the context. Even with the issues I have with Prometheus and Alien: Covenant, I think those two movies make this one even better.
Alien 3 sucks. As soon as they killed Newt & Hicks off during the opening credits I heard many groans in the theater. We all hated it. Not one person walked outta that theater liking it. They should bury every copy of this piece of shite next to the E.T. Video game.
I agree but like the theatrical ending better & the Dog in that version made a better host because I don't see a water buffalo stalking & chasing & actually eating it's victims like I could with a dog even though dogs don't really stalk & even though the aliens design is supposed to be based off a cougar, why didn't they just use a cougar in the film??? that would have made a cool sequence actually!!!!! They could have made it one of the prisoners pets or something 🤣 it's a sci-fi movie after all!!!!!
@@mattlawrence1932 It's still a zenomorph irrespective of the host. The Aliens didn't come from hunters (human hosts) in the first two but still did what it's genetically intended to do as the brutal Aliens themselves.
The dog makes more sense compared to a bull/buffalo though. And the extended ending looks horrendous as ripely looks like a cardboard cutout. Seeing the queen burst and then get immediately decimated was the best part for me 🙏
So much hard graft went into this movie. The set design, puppet work, landscape paintings and practical alien work is magnificent. They did a damn good job considering Fox's interference and an unfinished script!
I love it too, seeing it here. But when I saw it in the movie, I honestly thought it was bad CGI all this time. As a movie it just didn't come together.
Find and watch the Special Edition. I cannot express how better it is. As everyone says , Alien/Aliens will always be the best but this still sits alongside them for me. Sure it’s not on the same level but I’ll take it. Tunnel scenes are beautiful in this film. Nothing better than that flare dropping then the psycho camera work with the fire. It’s just fantastic. Damn it , I’m watching it again today haha
Many highly talented people on this production, worked with some of them during the 90s. Big shout out to former artists at Boss Film Studios. Sadly, due to the production still using optical compositing, most of the practical puppet elements can't really shine. Matte lines and color timing errors all over the place.
This is my favorite movie of all time, it would really be awesome if for the 4k release of ALIEN³ they upgraded some of those bad raw puppet scenes running trough the ceiling and corridor for better quality ones. To me the assembly cut is almost perfect but wouldn’t mind seeing a Fincher’s own Cut
Addin some sort of blur on the composite puppet edges would fix most of the problems with visuals. All it takes is to find the perfect amount of blur. To little you can still see the wonkiness too much and it would look unnatural.
@xtrmst_012it's true. I think it would be better don't use any short when alien escapes because it's not necessary. This short of really bad alien visual effect spoil the movie.
Even with the efforts from the great FX team unfortunetely the jaguar alien wasn't realistic enough. Anyone could see it was a puppet and the illusion of the alien as a realistic monster was lost. It wasn't scary. All scenes with the man in the alien costume scenes are flawless. They should have sticked to rubbersuits.
@@Lokazana No, they couldn’t. The alien in alien 3 is too slender, the hips and legs are too skinny, there is no way a guy could have fitted in a suit requiring those dimensions. That’s why they did the rotoscoped puppet. Also, the alien in this movie is more animalistic and aggressive so it can run at 60 miles per hour, there is no way they could have done those scenes with the alien running in the hallways and ceiling with a guy wearing a suit
@@Lokazana All they needed was extra time in post for colour correction and blending but the studio didn’t give them the time as they stubbornly kept the same release date as before starting production of the movie
@@acfan8253 And that is the problem. They wanted a faster alien but couldnt create it, so they should have abandoned the idea in the first place. Todays CGI aliens arent better either tbh. If you remove all the puppet scenes the movie is ok.
@@Lokazana not exactly, the problem was the studio from the very beginning not delaying the release date they knew wasn't going to allow the crew to deliver the project completed on time. They just didn't trust David Fincher because he was a first time director but he knew what he was doing and what he wanted to achieve, his current filmography shows you that Fincher is a master of realistic visual effects and visual style. The rotoscope puppet allowed them to create scenes where you see the alien in full body movement and it moved naturally. If Fincher have had full control of the movie you would have seen better results. They only needed a few more weeks for colour correction and compositing.
Here Alien3 was a made later but Alien (1979) and Aliens (1986) had better overall visual effects. They really cheapened out here. Besides being a train wreck of a film.
@xtrmst_012 The thing is, the movie started production in late 1988. Realistic CGI was unthinkable back then. So, in 1989, they committed to doing the creature effects with miniature puppets and a guy in a costume. The puppets sometimes look good, but most of the time look pretty bad. Late in production, in 1992, they retouched them and added shadows with CGI, making them look even worse...
@xtrmst_012 Photo-realistic creatures with skin and details like eyes and teeth were not feasible in 1989. Remember that the CGI in The Abyss was mostly water, it didn't have realistic skin. In Terminator 2 the creature was metallic, with no real detail. The technology advanced very quickly, so by 1992 they could manage to make creatures with realistic skin and shading. But in 1989, only three years earlier, it was indeed unthinkable.
It’s a pity something just didn’t work with the Alien effects (especially compared to the first two films) there was clearly a huge amount of time and effort put into Alien 3.
Less is more. Scott understood this for the first Alien. He left the audience to fill in the gaps, and didn't focus too much on the alien because it would have looked shabby if he did. Alien 3 could have learnt from this, and took out the dodgy effects.
The director was too demanding with exactly what he wanted and didn't know the limitations and the guys did the best that they could with the technology available. Plus there is a limited amount of time and the coordination of all of those puppeteers must have been a real bitch. At a certain point , you have come so far and spent all of the money allowed and you just have to go with what you have.
@@alastairjones0It's all in what was asked for that mattered. In "Aliens" it was guys in suits, sometimes on wires. Fincher was asking for a creature that moved very differently than a man and had more of a dog's anatomy. He had specific shots and actions of the creature in mind and the technique which was chosen, happened to not work. Once you make a decision on what technique to go with and you commit, even when you see it isn't going as planned, you have no choice but to see it through. Even when they moved from rod puppets to early CGI as in "Species", this same crew screwed that up too. It was the exact same reason that they both didn't work, in that the technique that they chose was not honed enough to work in these cases.
Despite film critics’ trashing of this film, it was still better than Alien Resurrection which, because of its high-budget, generic sci-fi style, was praised by those same A-holes as an improvement. I’ll always remember that fact, whenever I hear film critics say that they have better taste than the general audience.
22:34 - corridor crew should do a video about this movie. And they def need to include the quote - "I am very happy to be delivered from the SUMO wrestling world of photochemistry..."
Alien : Horror/Sci-fi/Thriller Aliens : Action/Sci-fi/Thriller Alien 3 : Drama/Sci-fi/Thriller I love how unique all three films in this trilogy are!!!! They all complement eachother perfectly & it's always been my favorite movie Trilogy!!!!! IDC what anyone says or dislikes about this film!!!!!! Honestly this film turned out way better than all these ppl in this documentary that are complaining about it & they're the ones who made the damn film!!!! Give yourselves some damn credit because you still made a classic regardless if the first two films were better , u still made a very good film in such a short period of time & I think if they gave them more time , it would have actually turned out even worse !!!! Rushed movies always turn out good for the most part!!!! Aliens was a rushed film , T2 was a rushed film & those are considered some of the best sequels of all time & plus you made this movie without a script while in production which is pretty much how the original Alien film was made considering they had to keep rewriting it during production just like in this film!!!! This is actually my favorite David Fincher movie & he still denies even being a part of it lolz !!!!! The other concepts & ideas they had in mind to write this film were just rediculous !!!! I can't believe they originally wanted to make a wooden planet in outerspace full of monks , that's just stupid & so unrealistic & it's a far worse idea than just making a rehash of the first two films in my eyes , thank God it costed far too much money & time consuming to build a set like that!!!!! I fuckin love this film , Alien 3 is the most underrated third instalment in a film franchise ever!!!!! It's also the film that I actually enjoy watching the most out of the entire trilogy & I've been watching this trilogy since I was a kid in the early 90's!!!!! I love how dark this movie turned out compared to the others!!!! It didn't deserve a happy beginning or a happy ending!!!! After all the Xenomorph is supposed to be the most terrifying thing in the entire universe & the perfect killing machine so it only made sense to make it begin & end dark & depressing & it made it unique compared to the first two films that do the complete opposite with the happy endings!!!!!!! This movie also has some of the best ever shots of the Xenomorph , the best most unique kill scenes , the most blood & gore of all the films in the entire franchise & the most graphic realistic in the entire franchise!!!!!
Mario M I think one of the downfall of this film is the letting go of Cinematographer Jordan Cronenweth who was suffering from Parkinson’s. He was responsible for the lighting and overall look of Bladerunner which looks amazing. It’s a damn shame that they had to let him go.
Wow, I really thought that ALL the xenomorphs in Alien 3 were CG - something about the lighting and the way they move in a scene. But no, it was all done practically with puppets. The puppeteering and the way the puppets can move is incredible to watch here! It really must have been the compositing that made it look so bad. What if they did a remastered version and fine-tuned the compositing from the original elements? How drastically would that change this film?
It’s been corrected digitally on the quadrilogy box set, it looks much better than before as far as the colour, but it’s still a bit lacking in stuff like light & shadow matching and motion blur, but still, it’s way better than it was.
The usage of the rubber puppet and the way they animate it is just brilliant. They work on planks and metal bars to give the illusion that the alien moves on a solid floor, which also makes the task easier for the animators.
The perfect version they could make & redo of this film is in 4K CGI for the Alien running scenes & add it into the Assembly Cut Version but with the Theatrical version ending!!!!! & Change the damn Ox to a fuckin Cougar because that's what it's supposed to be anyways!!!!! Idk why they didn't just use a live pet Cougar originally for this film if that's what the Xenomorph concept for this film is originally based on??? I don't see a Ox or even a dog stalking it's victims & then chasing them when they run away & eating them like the Alien actually does in this film!!!!! That's also what a cougar does in real life , it stalks it's prey & if you turn your back on it & run , it's chases & pounces on u!!!!!!
For all those who downplay alien 3 at least they must give kudos to puppet movement along with the great soundtrack.Alien 3 is the first movie that give motion identity to the creature, in alien 1 and 2 aliens moved human like cause they where humans with outfits.Alien 2 did a great job with its animatronics for the queen,alien 3 puppet was on another level,to see the beast running in corridors was awesome.
I personally think Alien 3 is very underrated. The only real thing that ruins it for me on a visual stance is the post editing of the CGI alien into certain scenes...it just looks so bad and it's a shame as the practical suit is great! The outdoor shota of the Suloco pod being craned is also poorly composited into the movie. Maybe one day someone will fix these issues and make the ultimate assembly cut with fixed CGI compositing. Love the soundtrack too and David Fincher is great director too and should be proud of this movie.
I think Alien 3 is an amazing film and so beautifully done. Sure, some wonky old FX, but visually and storywise, its terrific. Do npt understand the hate. That it is so good even with all the production hell it endured speaks volumes.
Saw this in theaters and was disappointed that there was only one alien and the fx looked hoaky...but as i came to grips with that i loved this movie more and more. I now appreciate this movie so much and feel so lucky fincher got to do a beautifully shot and directed alien slasher film. Weaver had an operatic take to a sad ending for her character.
Alien: The horror of Gigers nightmare brainchild Aliens: Aint it scary enough? Just imagine hundreds of them lurking in every dark corner Alien3: Alright. Now with music that is badass and scary at the same time! ( 9:18 ) Eliot Goldenthal - Lento Alien4: -This script looks uninspiring! -Sir, throw in some good actors and good effects and it would mabe distract the plebs! Alien vs predator: -The game was good so they might like our movie -Or at least watch it! Avp2: -Or not... Prometheus: -How do u like our movie? -Where is the Alien? -The What?! --confused bcose noone mentioned him they have to make an alien movie -- Covenant: -Alright u idiots, there is your damn Alien in a horror scifi -- shows an alien gets dropped out of the ship in the last 15 minutes of the movie -- -In a What? -- confused bcose noone mentioned him he watched a horror movie -- Conclusion: First 3 movie is the buildup. The horror scifi base with a freightening creature. It gets expanded to action horror scifi with hundreds of even more freightening aliens. 3rd movie kick in with freightening music. With the 4th movie music gets softer. In avp its loses scifi elements. Avp 2 losing horror elements. in prometheus, entirely skipping on the creature. Covenant used the creature at the end as a mascot for their drama movie
Although visually impressive for the time, I think it lost about a third of its fans in the first 10 minutes when we discover that Bishop, Hicks AND Newt are all dead, only to be topped off by killing Ripley too in the end.
What if you used blue rods for the puppeting? Wouldn't that be easier to remove? I suppose you would have to avoid getting it in front of the model though.
Just watch the Blu-Ray version, it provided the full story of Alien 3's development. Like, all of it, this was under Wreckage and Rage before Fox interfered with the Making Of documentury for this box set. The Blu-Ray version is superior in every way
@@southlondon86 Corridor Crew covered why the composites look a bit ‘off’ in the episode I’ve linked below. th-cam.com/video/jOPdNfOc3h0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=daddc6bSKRINr02s Also, interestingly, the table in the shot where the Xenomorph goes up to Ripley in Clemens quarters is CG; it was done in order to hide the rear of the creature.
I loved this movie. It was so introspective it could’ve been a dream in hyper sleep. I do prefer the assembly cut, but also prefer the theatrical ending of ripley dying with the chest burster.
This is the first movie that I can put a pin on when a director shat all over the fan base. I went to see this movie and some guy was eating dried cuttlefish so there is that rotten dried seafood smell attached to the story also. But when you start the movie having killed off the little girl and the hero soldier that against all odds got out of the LAST movie, yeah it's a major FUCK YOU to the fan base.
Yep it’s pants they killed off Hicks & Newt I wanted more marines even if they managed to make it back to Earth . Although Alien 3 has grown on me over the years I do like it now .
That was not Fincher's decision, he didn't write the script. Besides, did you really want to see a different actor trying to play Newt? I'm glad we didn't have to experience that, it would have sucked.
I disagree. Yeah they could’ve added a few scenes more of Newt and Hicks. But killing them off was essential to the story. Ripley loses everything because of her association to this creature. Even her own life. Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 is a great trilogy that should’ve been left there. Newt and Hicks are great but I really like the way this film turned out for the most part. Death is everywhere when the xenomorph is around. It’s almost like a curse. Anyone who’s around it at some point will eventually get killed.
T2 was released two years earlier and the effects were some of the best ever seen, and still hold up in 2021. Aliens 3's effects were composited horribly... like I'm surprised they released the movie that way. No wonder David Fincher disavows this movie.
but the budget was 100 million compared to the 50 milion alien 3 got. also they wouldn't trust fincher. the directors cut of this film is almost flawless. I wish they would re-release this film with some cgi upgrades. just to blend the alien a bit more etc. the narrative of the film is terrifying.
4:19 Commentary about building specialist rigs & dollies with gimbal tracking & 100’s of thousands of $$$ in production fast forwards to 2024 & what have you got ? DJI Ronin 4D with a Tilta Hydra / Float Arm & DJI Master wheels. A complete operation for a 1/3 of the cost & man power & YET Hollywood still prefers to go the way of the old & not recognize GREAT tech that can save a production 100’s if not millions.
I really loved the original concept of monks instead of inmates ...... like it was the devil that came for them - still loved the dark concept amd all the actors were brilliant ..... it’s a massive shame that the alien look terrible in the film ..... seems a big shame as it looked great here amd the work they all put it . If they could ever go back amd fix that alien look problem the film would look way better IMO
Reason man in a suit would have been better is because they can act according to other actors. The running scenes could have been acted as people can run in all 4s with or without some cable help very easily. Dont get me wrong puppet looks beatiful but in a movie it looks off. Jurassic park mixed puppet and cgi to make it a little better but still the animatronics carry the scenes
@Мармеладов ТВ you'll get that when there's like 5 different writers. I still like this film but I know I'm in a small minority on that. The 4th one was shit. And as for the prequels!....Ridley is like the Frank miller of the film world: what happened to him?
I made a map for the game Quake based off part of the tunnels and the furnace set from this film. Won me a fair bit of clout on the 90's version of Twitch. lol
The box set BTS feature of this movie is way more interesting than the actual movie itself, particularly that as they were filming, they were also set building, and rewriting the script, and it wasn’t certain till very late on if it was a monastery, a forge or a prison planet, so as such the setting is a monaforgesprison. Crazy way to make a movie.
I know that what I'm about to write is not so common nor understandable by most but first of all I don't care and this is just my opinion so deal with it and don't waste your time in the comments to trying to change my mind, ok? All right, let's go. I always preferred Alien 3 to any other film of the saga. For me Aliens & Alien 3 are both masterpiece far way better than the so emphasized original. The story of Aliens & Alien 3, the visual style, the music, the characters of both movies are so well made in comparison with the original one. The original Alien is a very good film but Aliens and Alien cube are so dark, outstanding, so powerful then the original disappear if we put all 3 together. I don't care if David Fincher said the Alien 3 is not his movie, I love it anyway. Alien 4 is just shit.
I wish that they Made movies using thus technique More ofter, it's a very unique style and with the Modern CGi techniques the could integraté the puppets flawlessly, just think about the possibilities
It so awsome that the way the puppet moved it so annoying that when they edit into the movie it looked off I always thought it was bad cgi but it wasn’t it shame I really enjoyed alien 3 but it get a lot of hate alien and aliens are the best but alien 3 directors cut is great, alien resurrection is crap I don’t consider it to be a canon alien movie lol
Alien 3 is half baked mess. That's what i allways thought untill i saw the assembly cut. But it sour sweet taste because one hand hand you are happy that the movie is actually pretty good, but on the other hand you see how much of a potential was wasted there and cannot keep wondering, how the movie would turn out in the end if it wasnt for constant rewrites.
I REALLY wish we could get a corrected FX version of the Assembly cut...even if it means some CGI work. The poor compositing creature effects were probably the biggest let down for me coming from the previous 2 films. (No...the story turn and darker tone didnt bother me in the least)
I wonder where that little puppet Alien is now? Looks fantastic. Loved the film though, this just makes me love it more. I bet this film would have been better received if it had of been made 10 years later
I appreciate the effort, but the compositing really undercuts the work put in, it just doesn't look convincing apart from a few moments on screen. Aliens had the aliens crawling on walls, and leaping around, and it still holds up better than pretty much anything done visually in this movie. I applaud the effort, but the end result doesn't hold up compared to the effect work on Aliens. I know Alien 3 had a troubled production but and unfinished effect is simply that.
aliens in the second film moves like humans cause they are,the puppet movement of alien 3 was realistic and gave xeno another nature that have it apart from human attributes,the only downside was the cg effects of alien 3,the blue screen back then was not worked as it should be.
I think the Alien puppet idea was a good idea as apposed to some dude in a suit. Alien 3 isn't the best Alien film in the franchise and personally I think Alien is still the best one followed by Aliens but Alien 3 isn't the worst. I think Alien: Resurrection was worser than Alien 3 so compared to Resurrection I think Alien 3 is a classic.
As many times as I’ve seen this movie, I never realized that those were people on the EEV, as the crane moves it! I thought it debris. Wow that was awesome.
Ive always liked the way this xeno moved. The corridor chase is fun to watch. I wish they could update some of the special effects. Like the xeno on the ceiling.
I get that this was before cgi took off and it is decent, but they still should have just stuck to the guy in the suit. Especially when interacting with the cast.
This movie got a lot of hate, some warranted but the director's cut makes this an underappreciated addition to the Alien franchise. I bet at this point a single talented artist/animator could digitally edit the alien effects in the film and make it so much better.
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It's a shame that the puppet was so poorly composited into the film, because the way that it MOVES is legitimately terrifying and a rather cool effect.
Yeah honestly it at least needed better color correction. It always had a green halo around it that didn't match the surroundings. Wish the movie had gotten remastered.
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That was nearly impossible to do on an optical printer and very few studios at the time did digital compositing. That all changed in the following two years.
@@houstonhelicoptertours1006 yeah for that reason i really wish they had held off on it until after T2 coz then we may have got a James Cameron production of Alien 3 though it would most likely have been a completely different film and story as he has openly criticised David Fincher for killing off Hicks and Noot! despite all this i still really like the film - its is a good overarching story and some rich characters especially the doctor played by Charles Dance. the CGI does ruin the shots but if you can see past those brief moments its still a pretty solid film. in contrast the CGI was much better in Resurrection but it was overall not as good a film Alien 3 (imo). 2 centuries after the events of 3 was a little over the top.....in that universe they would have advanced a lot more in 200 yrs than we see in the film and the plot of Ripley being cloned to removed the alien didnt make sense.....so many other flops but again like Alien 3 its still enjoyable and entertaining to watch...........but alas nothing compares to the masterpieces that are ALIEN + ALIENS by 2 of the best film makers in the business.......although both Cameron and Scott have lost the plot with their latest ventures (covenant was not terrible but no good either) and as for............ Terminate Dark Fate??????????? WTF?????! ATTROCIOUS
Yeah I've always wondered if they had any of the raw footage still if it would be possible to go back and redo the compositing? If so I think it could look awesome.
@@ymb9shinzou743 Tell you what, I'd settle for a hi-rez version of this documentary...though at best it would likely have been 16mm. There's some lovely unused puppetry in there.
Alien 1 and 2 are the best. But i love the Location of Alien 3. A dark Komplex. No Weapons, no Soldiers, no way out and no help. It is a real cool movie.
these installations...
no hairs :p
As a fanboy, it still is disapointing, but I really love the directors cut and I can truly see the context. Even with the issues I have with Prometheus and Alien: Covenant, I think those two movies make this one even better.
@G E T R E K T Mr.Clemens
Alien 3 sucks. As soon as they killed Newt & Hicks off during the opening credits I heard many groans in the theater. We all hated it. Not one person walked outta that theater liking it. They should bury every copy of this piece of shite next to the E.T. Video game.
The extended cut of this movie actually makes more sense than the theatric release.
I agree but like the theatrical ending better & the Dog in that version made a better host because I don't see a water buffalo stalking & chasing & actually eating it's victims like I could with a dog even though dogs don't really stalk & even though the aliens design is supposed to be based off a cougar, why didn't they just use a cougar in the film??? that would have made a cool sequence actually!!!!! They could have made it one of the prisoners pets or something 🤣 it's a sci-fi movie after all!!!!!
I personally enjoy the theatrical cut
Extended has better character development.
@@mattlawrence1932 It's still a zenomorph irrespective of the host. The Aliens didn't come from hunters (human hosts) in the first two but still did what it's genetically intended to do as the brutal Aliens themselves.
The dog makes more sense compared to a bull/buffalo though. And the extended ending looks horrendous as ripely looks like a cardboard cutout. Seeing the queen burst and then get immediately decimated was the best part for me 🙏
All this work put into it and the result looks like bad CGI...
Yeah, cry harder. It looks like what it is; chroma keyed rod puppets
@@abseiduk no
@@Reggie1408
Well it looks like CGI, puppet would look beter
@@abseiduk It is a puppet.
The level of detail and work people are putting into 2-3 second shots is truly inspiring
Damn - that tail moved so realistically.
So much hard graft went into this movie. The set design, puppet work, landscape paintings and practical alien work is magnificent. They did a damn good job considering Fox's interference and an unfinished script!
Hate me, I really like the alien rod puppet work. 💁🏻♀️
To me the suspense isn't there.
The rod puppet is sick! It's the story that sucks.
I love it too, seeing it here. But when I saw it in the movie, I honestly thought it was bad CGI all this time. As a movie it just didn't come together.
The rod puppet work made it look like it was made in 1958.
Find and watch the Special Edition. I cannot express how better it is.
As everyone says , Alien/Aliens will always be the best but this still sits alongside them for me. Sure it’s not on the same level but I’ll take it.
Tunnel scenes are beautiful in this film. Nothing better than that flare dropping then the psycho camera work with the fire. It’s just fantastic.
Damn it , I’m watching it again today haha
I feel the Assembly Cut and the Theatrical are really the same movie, except the pacing in the latter is better.
Many highly talented people on this production, worked with some of them during the 90s. Big shout out to former artists at Boss Film Studios.
Sadly, due to the production still using optical compositing, most of the practical puppet elements can't really shine. Matte lines and color timing errors all over the place.
This is my favorite movie of all time, it would really be awesome if for the 4k release of ALIEN³ they upgraded some of those bad raw puppet scenes running trough the ceiling and corridor for better quality ones. To me the assembly cut is almost perfect but wouldn’t mind seeing a Fincher’s own Cut
Addin some sort of blur on the composite puppet edges would fix most of the problems with visuals. All it takes is to find the perfect amount of blur. To little you can still see the wonkiness too much and it would look unnatural.
It’s a shame Fincher will never come back to the film or series in general.
@@RPknight101 Who could blame him after the nightmare he endured?
@xtrmst_012it's true. I think it would be better don't use any short when alien escapes because it's not necessary. This short of really bad alien visual effect spoil the movie.
My favorite part. Great live characters, Dark depressive atmosphere, No-way-out condition. Absolutely stand- apart movie.
Even with the efforts from the great FX team unfortunetely the jaguar alien wasn't realistic enough. Anyone could see it was a puppet and the illusion of the alien as a realistic monster was lost. It wasn't scary. All scenes with the man in the alien costume scenes are flawless. They should have sticked to rubbersuits.
@@Lokazana No, they couldn’t. The alien in alien 3 is too slender, the hips and legs are too skinny, there is no way a guy could have fitted in a suit requiring those dimensions. That’s why they did the rotoscoped puppet. Also, the alien in this movie is more animalistic and aggressive so it can run at 60 miles per hour, there is no way they could have done those scenes with the alien running in the hallways and ceiling with a guy wearing a suit
@@Lokazana All they needed was extra time in post for colour correction and blending but the studio didn’t give them the time as they stubbornly kept the same release date as before starting production of the movie
@@acfan8253 And that is the problem. They wanted a faster alien but couldnt create it, so they should have abandoned the idea in the first place. Todays CGI aliens arent better either tbh. If you remove all the puppet scenes the movie is ok.
@@Lokazana not exactly, the problem was the studio from the very beginning not delaying the release date they knew wasn't going to allow the crew to deliver the project completed on time. They just didn't trust David Fincher because he was a first time director but he knew what he was doing and what he wanted to achieve, his current filmography shows you that Fincher is a master of realistic visual effects and visual style. The rotoscope puppet allowed them to create scenes where you see the alien in full body movement and it moved naturally. If Fincher have had full control of the movie you would have seen better results. They only needed a few more weeks for colour correction and compositing.
Here Alien3 was a made later but Alien (1979) and Aliens (1986) had better overall visual effects. They really cheapened out here. Besides being a train wreck of a film.
I thought it was CGI.
Same here! And I've been studying how films are made for 10 years, and have actually dabbled in CG modeling and rendering...
Digital compositing would have made all the difference. Terminator 2 had it one year before, and the T1000 shots looked great. They blended perfectly.
@xtrmst_012 The thing is, the movie started production in late 1988. Realistic CGI was unthinkable back then. So, in 1989, they committed to doing the creature effects with miniature puppets and a guy in a costume. The puppets sometimes look good, but most of the time look pretty bad. Late in production, in 1992, they retouched them and added shadows with CGI, making them look even worse...
@xtrmst_012 Photo-realistic creatures with skin and details like eyes and teeth were not feasible in 1989. Remember that the CGI in The Abyss was mostly water, it didn't have realistic skin. In Terminator 2 the creature was metallic, with no real detail. The technology advanced very quickly, so by 1992 they could manage to make creatures with realistic skin and shading. But in 1989, only three years earlier, it was indeed unthinkable.
It’s a pity something just didn’t work with the Alien effects (especially compared to the first two films) there was clearly a huge amount of time and effort put into Alien 3.
Less is more. Scott understood this for the first Alien. He left the audience to fill in the gaps, and didn't focus too much on the alien because it would have looked shabby if he did. Alien 3 could have learnt from this, and took out the dodgy effects.
@@Xydonus less often is more i agree although the Queen in Aliens was and still is a work of art and beats imagination.
The director was too demanding with exactly what he wanted and didn't know the limitations and the guys did the best that they could with the technology available. Plus there is a limited amount of time and the coordination of all of those puppeteers must have been a real bitch. At a certain point , you have come so far and spent all of the money allowed and you just have to go with what you have.
@@Valkonnen inexperience I guess. It’s amazing just how much bigger the budget was for Alien 3 compared to Aliens with very little to show for it.
@@alastairjones0It's all in what was asked for that mattered. In "Aliens" it was guys in suits, sometimes on wires. Fincher was asking for a creature that moved very differently than a man and had more of a dog's anatomy. He had specific shots and actions of the creature in mind and the technique which was chosen, happened to not work. Once you make a decision on what technique to go with and you commit, even when you see it isn't going as planned, you have no choice but to see it through. Even when they moved from rod puppets to early CGI as in "Species", this same crew screwed that up too. It was the exact same reason that they both didn't work, in that the technique that they chose was not honed enough to work in these cases.
The lighting was the probl, coz the bambi alien scene was perfect.
The Old Days: Illusions
Now: CGI
There's also some shitty CGI in Alien 3
@@pabloop9891 20:52 Only CGI were the shadows of the Alien and it's head cracking at the end for a second.
Got to admit I didn't really enjoy the film, but it did have some good moments and everybody did a great job either performing or working in it.
Despite film critics’ trashing of this film, it was still better than Alien Resurrection which, because of its high-budget, generic sci-fi style, was praised by those same A-holes as an improvement. I’ll always remember that fact, whenever I hear film critics say that they have better taste than the general audience.
22:34 - corridor crew should do a video about this movie. And they def need to include the quote - "I am very happy to be delivered from the SUMO wrestling world of photochemistry..."
Corridor Crew covered Alien3 in this episode
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Alien : Horror/Sci-fi/Thriller
Aliens : Action/Sci-fi/Thriller
Alien 3 : Drama/Sci-fi/Thriller
I love how unique all three films in this trilogy are!!!! They all complement eachother perfectly & it's always been my favorite movie Trilogy!!!!! IDC what anyone says or dislikes about this film!!!!!! Honestly this film turned out way better than all these ppl in this documentary that are complaining about it & they're the ones who made the damn film!!!! Give yourselves some damn credit because you still made a classic regardless if the first two films were better , u still made a very good film in such a short period of time & I think if they gave them more time , it would have actually turned out even worse !!!! Rushed movies always turn out good for the most part!!!! Aliens was a rushed film , T2 was a rushed film & those are considered some of the best sequels of all time & plus you made this movie without a script while in production which is pretty much how the original Alien film was made considering they had to keep rewriting it during production just like in this film!!!! This is actually my favorite David Fincher movie & he still denies even being a part of it lolz !!!!! The other concepts & ideas they had in mind to write this film were just rediculous !!!! I can't believe they originally wanted to make a wooden planet in outerspace full of monks , that's just stupid & so unrealistic & it's a far worse idea than just making a rehash of the first two films in my eyes , thank God it costed far too much money & time consuming to build a set like that!!!!! I fuckin love this film , Alien 3 is the most underrated third instalment in a film franchise ever!!!!! It's also the film that I actually enjoy watching the most out of the entire trilogy & I've been watching this trilogy since I was a kid in the early 90's!!!!! I love how dark this movie turned out compared to the others!!!! It didn't deserve a happy beginning or a happy ending!!!! After all the Xenomorph is supposed to be the most terrifying thing in the entire universe & the perfect killing machine so it only made sense to make it begin & end dark & depressing & it made it unique compared to the first two films that do the complete opposite with the happy endings!!!!!!! This movie also has some of the best ever shots of the Xenomorph , the best most unique kill scenes , the most blood & gore of all the films in the entire franchise & the most graphic realistic in the entire franchise!!!!!
"So what sorts of colors and shades should we have in the color palette?" "RUST."
The medium range shots look amazing, when the creature is running. The problem is in close-ups and shots with low lighting.
Mario M I think one of the downfall of this film is the letting go of Cinematographer Jordan Cronenweth who was suffering from Parkinson’s. He was responsible for the lighting and overall look of Bladerunner which looks amazing. It’s a damn shame that they had to let him go.
Wow, I really thought that ALL the xenomorphs in Alien 3 were CG - something about the lighting and the way they move in a scene. But no, it was all done practically with puppets. The puppeteering and the way the puppets can move is incredible to watch here! It really must have been the compositing that made it look so bad. What if they did a remastered version and fine-tuned the compositing from the original elements? How drastically would that change this film?
It’s been corrected digitally on the quadrilogy box set, it looks much better than before as far as the colour, but it’s still a bit lacking in stuff like light & shadow matching and motion blur, but still, it’s way better than it was.
Corridor Crew also did a nice piece on Alien 3
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Fincher is god. Give him another shot and he’ll smash it. Alien 3 was violent and high octane.
I love this so much! There’s a huge amount of skill and dedication in CGI but this just has so much heart!
I really thought it was shitty CGI. The puppet looked cool, how did they fuck it up so bad?
It's obvious that they don't try this hard anymore to make movies.
Indeed. CGI is out of control. Even Alita... It's well blended, but it's nothing compared to traditional models and sets.
Alien 3 is by far the worst film in the series.
@@kelman727
Resurrection was a disaster
@@kelman727 you thought alien 4 was better than alien 3?
@G E T R E K T 905
Shht, adults are talking.
The usage of the rubber puppet and the way they animate it is just brilliant. They work on planks and metal bars to give the illusion that the alien moves on a solid floor, which also makes the task easier for the animators.
I like Alien 3 more than aliens, and the reason is Giger got involved in the production
The perfect version they could make & redo of this film is in 4K CGI for the Alien running scenes & add it into the Assembly Cut Version but with the Theatrical version ending!!!!! & Change the damn Ox to a fuckin Cougar because that's what it's supposed to be anyways!!!!! Idk why they didn't just use a live pet Cougar originally for this film if that's what the Xenomorph concept for this film is originally based on??? I don't see a Ox or even a dog stalking it's victims & then chasing them when they run away & eating them like the Alien actually does in this film!!!!! That's also what a cougar does in real life , it stalks it's prey & if you turn your back on it & run , it's chases & pounces on u!!!!!!
For all those who downplay alien 3 at least they must give kudos to puppet movement along with the great soundtrack.Alien 3 is the first movie that give motion identity to the creature, in alien 1 and 2 aliens moved human like cause they where humans with outfits.Alien 2 did a great job with its animatronics for the queen,alien 3 puppet was on another level,to see the beast running in corridors was awesome.
I personally think Alien 3 is very underrated. The only real thing that ruins it for me on a visual stance is the post editing of the CGI alien into certain scenes...it just looks so bad and it's a shame as the practical suit is great!
The outdoor shota of the Suloco pod being craned is also poorly composited into the movie. Maybe one day someone will fix these issues and make the ultimate assembly cut with fixed CGI compositing.
Love the soundtrack too and David Fincher is great director too and should be proud of this movie.
Incredible detail goes into the matte painting. Too bad it's hard to see all the detail because it's only seen for a few seconds.
Great insight into a great movie. 🇦🇺 😊
I think Alien 3 is an amazing film and so beautifully done. Sure, some wonky old FX, but visually and storywise, its terrific. Do npt understand the hate. That it is so good even with all the production hell it endured speaks volumes.
Saw this in theaters and was disappointed that there was only one alien and the fx looked hoaky...but as i came to grips with that i loved this movie more and more. I now appreciate this movie so much and feel so lucky fincher got to do a beautifully shot and directed alien slasher film. Weaver had an operatic take to a sad ending for her character.
Alien: The horror of Gigers nightmare brainchild
Aliens: Aint it scary enough? Just imagine hundreds of them lurking in every dark corner
Alien3: Alright. Now with music that is badass and scary at the same time! ( 9:18 ) Eliot Goldenthal - Lento
Alien4:
-This script looks uninspiring!
-Sir, throw in some good actors and good effects and it would mabe distract the plebs!
Alien vs predator:
-The game was good so they might like our movie
-Or at least watch it!
Avp2:
-Or not...
Prometheus:
-How do u like our movie?
-Where is the Alien?
-The What?! --confused bcose noone mentioned him they have to make an alien movie --
Covenant:
-Alright u idiots, there is your damn Alien in a horror scifi -- shows an alien gets dropped out of the ship in the last 15 minutes of the movie --
-In a What? -- confused bcose noone mentioned him he watched a horror movie --
Conclusion: First 3 movie is the buildup. The horror scifi base with a freightening creature. It gets expanded to action horror scifi with hundreds of even more freightening aliens. 3rd movie kick in with freightening music. With the 4th movie music gets softer. In avp its loses scifi elements. Avp 2 losing horror elements. in prometheus, entirely skipping on the creature. Covenant used the creature at the end as a mascot for their drama movie
Although visually impressive for the time, I think it lost about a third of its fans in the first 10 minutes when we discover that Bishop, Hicks AND Newt are all dead, only to be topped off by killing Ripley too in the end.
What if you used blue rods for the puppeting? Wouldn't that be easier to remove?
I suppose you would have to avoid getting it in front of the model though.
worst blue screen inlay
such a shame the film never came together propperly, most of the people working hard on this movie did great work but were let down by others
Great concept as a story but the ‘star’ of the show, the Alien was terrible... the whole movie felt cheap... urgh such a let down after ‘Aliens’
Just watch the Blu-Ray version, it provided the full story of Alien 3's development. Like, all of it, this was under Wreckage and Rage before Fox interfered with the Making Of documentury for this box set. The Blu-Ray version is superior in every way
3:25 is the best composited shot
Yeah. It looks great. The steam looks amazing.
Mario M looked seamless
But there was still something ‘off’ about it...
@@southlondon86
Corridor Crew covered why the composites look a bit ‘off’ in the episode I’ve linked below.
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Also, interestingly, the table in the shot where the Xenomorph goes up to Ripley in Clemens quarters is CG; it was done in order to hide the rear of the creature.
@@davidanderson1639 Thank you sir
Good movie but the effects were embarrassingly crap.
I loved this movie. It was so introspective it could’ve been a dream in hyper sleep. I do prefer the assembly cut, but also prefer the theatrical ending of ripley dying with the chest burster.
Great idea but unfortunately it dosnt look good. The shots in the movie with the practical alien full size looks is much better then the puppet alien.
This is the first movie that I can put a pin on when a director shat all over the fan base. I went to see this movie and some guy was eating dried cuttlefish so there is that rotten dried seafood smell attached to the story also. But when you start the movie having killed off the little girl and the hero soldier that against all odds got out of the LAST movie, yeah it's a major FUCK YOU to the fan base.
Yep it’s pants they killed off Hicks & Newt I wanted more marines even if they managed to make it back to Earth . Although Alien 3 has grown on me over the years I do like it now .
That was not Fincher's decision, he didn't write the script. Besides, did you really want to see a different actor trying to play Newt? I'm glad we didn't have to experience that, it would have sucked.
I disagree. Yeah they could’ve added a few scenes more of Newt and Hicks. But killing them off was essential to the story. Ripley loses everything because of her association to this creature. Even her own life. Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 is a great trilogy that should’ve been left there. Newt and Hicks are great but I really like the way this film turned out for the most part. Death is everywhere when the xenomorph is around. It’s almost like a curse. Anyone who’s around it at some point will eventually get killed.
T2 was released two years earlier and the effects were some of the best ever seen, and still hold up in 2021. Aliens 3's effects were composited horribly... like I'm surprised they released the movie that way. No wonder David Fincher disavows this movie.
but the budget was 100 million compared to the 50 milion alien 3 got. also they wouldn't trust fincher. the directors cut of this film is almost flawless. I wish they would re-release this film with some cgi upgrades. just to blend the alien a bit more etc. the narrative of the film is terrifying.
4:19 Commentary about building specialist rigs & dollies with gimbal tracking & 100’s of thousands of $$$ in production fast forwards to 2024 & what have you got ? DJI Ronin 4D with a Tilta Hydra / Float Arm & DJI Master wheels. A complete operation for a 1/3 of the cost & man power & YET Hollywood still prefers to go the way of the old & not recognize GREAT tech that can save a production 100’s if not millions.
I really loved the original concept of monks instead of inmates ...... like it was the devil that came for them - still loved the dark concept amd all the actors were brilliant ..... it’s a massive shame that the alien look terrible in the film ..... seems a big shame as it looked great here amd the work they all put it . If they could ever go back amd fix that alien look problem the film would look way better IMO
I have an idea that a face higher gets a bull and makes a bull alien with hooves and horns to symbolize Satan
Reason man in a suit would have been better is because they can act according to other actors. The running scenes could have been acted as people can run in all 4s with or without some cable help very easily. Dont get me wrong puppet looks beatiful but in a movie it looks off. Jurassic park mixed puppet and cgi to make it a little better but still the animatronics carry the scenes
All the elements are there... but they were integrated poorly.
@Мармеладов ТВ you'll get that when there's like 5 different writers. I still like this film but I know I'm in a small minority on that. The 4th one was shit. And as for the prequels!....Ridley is like the Frank miller of the film world: what happened to him?
I made a map for the game Quake based off part of the tunnels and the furnace set from this film. Won me a fair bit of clout on the 90's version of Twitch. lol
Tahts actaully more impressive it wasn’t cgi. Its just like someone said a shame the compositing didn’t’ blend well
Lets face it. Cgi was really bad. Alien looked far worse than in prior movies. Running on ceiling or not...
The box set BTS feature of this movie is way more interesting than the actual movie itself, particularly that as they were filming, they were also set building, and rewriting the script, and it wasn’t certain till very late on if it was a monastery, a forge or a prison planet, so as such the setting is a monaforgesprison. Crazy way to make a movie.
They should have used puppet when filming. The effects looks totally fake in film. That's why the first alien still looks great.
great idea for a location, but a disappointing movie, like the following ones. The alien design also has bbeen played with too much, too many times.
it's funny when people say the CGI looks bad 😞 it's CGI the CGI is cool the CGI is ok 🤦
Отвратительная графика в этом фильме, да и сам Финчер говорил что это самые неудачные съёмки в его жизни...
i admire how hard they tried, their vision, and it does look really cool outside of the actual film!
Such a shame. They all got worse from this point...
I really liked the creature FX in this movie, beautifully fluid movement.
Utterly complex. All of these people are genuises in their respective domains.
Es mi alien favorito. Una pena la mala adaptación del fx
I know that what I'm about to write is not so common nor understandable by most but first of all I don't care and this is just my opinion so deal with it and don't waste your time in the comments to trying to change my mind, ok? All right, let's go. I always preferred Alien 3 to any other film of the saga. For me Aliens & Alien 3 are both masterpiece far way better than the so emphasized original. The story of Aliens & Alien 3, the visual style, the music, the characters of both movies are so well made in comparison with the original one. The original Alien is a very good film but Aliens and Alien cube are so dark, outstanding, so powerful then the original disappear if we put all 3 together. I don't care if David Fincher said the Alien 3 is not his movie, I love it anyway. Alien 4 is just shit.
I wish that they Made movies using thus technique More ofter, it's a very unique style and with the Modern CGi techniques the could integraté the puppets flawlessly, just think about the possibilities
the best SFX are those you dont recognize
Salute for special effect
Such a dreary film.
The smart ones who knew it was NOT a vaccine.
The motion of the xenomorph looks really choppy, stilted and the effects of the creature do not blend in with the environment. So bad.
tell us how you really feel😂
It so awsome that the way the puppet moved it so annoying that when they edit into the movie it looked off I always thought it was bad cgi but it wasn’t it shame I really enjoyed alien 3 but it get a lot of hate alien and aliens are the best but alien 3 directors cut is great, alien resurrection is crap I don’t consider it to be a canon alien movie lol
i didn’t know it was a puppet. nice.
Alien 3 is half baked mess. That's what i allways thought untill i saw the assembly cut. But it sour sweet taste because one hand hand you are happy that the movie is actually pretty good, but on the other hand you see how much of a potential was wasted there and cannot keep wondering, how the movie would turn out in the end if it wasnt for constant rewrites.
break on through to the other side
I REALLY wish we could get a corrected FX version of the Assembly cut...even if it means some CGI work. The poor compositing creature effects were probably the biggest let down for me coming from the previous 2 films.
(No...the story turn and darker tone didnt bother me in the least)
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ALIEN3 芸術的作品✨✨✨✨🎥🎬✨
I wonder where that little puppet Alien is now? Looks fantastic.
Loved the film though, this just makes me love it more. I bet this film would have been better received if it had of been made 10 years later
Alien 3 is a masterpiece, great as the first one and definitely better than Aliens.
L take.
I appreciate the effort, but the compositing really undercuts the work put in, it just doesn't look convincing apart from a few moments on screen. Aliens had the aliens crawling on walls, and leaping around, and it still holds up better than pretty much anything done visually in this movie. I applaud the effort, but the end result doesn't hold up compared to the effect work on Aliens. I know Alien 3 had a troubled production but and unfinished effect is simply that.
aliens in the second film moves like humans cause they are,the puppet movement of alien 3 was realistic and gave xeno another nature that have it apart from human attributes,the only downside was the cg effects of alien 3,the blue screen back then was not worked as it should be.
miss the days of miniatures
Actually for those who have worked behind the scenes would understand no matter how artificial it looked, they were doing their best in those days
I think the Alien puppet idea was a good idea as apposed to some dude in a suit. Alien 3 isn't the best Alien film in the franchise and personally I think Alien is still the best one followed by Aliens but Alien 3 isn't the worst. I think Alien: Resurrection was worser than Alien 3 so compared to Resurrection I think Alien 3 is a classic.
As many times as I’ve seen this movie, I never realized that those were people on the EEV, as the crane moves it! I thought it debris. Wow that was awesome.
I appreciate practical fx way more than CGI. CGI today looks fake because it all looks beyond natural. Details that are over the top.
パペットフィギュアを使ってエイリアンの動きを表現していて リアリティが高い作品✨✨✨😊
Ive always liked the way this xeno moved. The corridor chase is fun to watch. I wish they could update some of the special effects. Like the xeno on the ceiling.
I thought it was just a shitty CGI. But it was actually an even shittier and more complicated compositing of live action miniature.
You made lasers, you did what no one did before, you had powerfull tools, and your final product was an epitome of borefest.
This is one of the best Alien movies, I don't get it qhy people shit on it every time
美術クオリティー 凄すぎる✨✨✨✨✨😊 リアリティー 世界観 どれも最高✨🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Back when people actually made movie's this was probably was so complicated before cgi
I get that this was before cgi took off and it is decent, but they still should have just stuck to the guy in the suit. Especially when interacting with the cast.
Boss films compositing was god-awful! Ruined the VFX.
This movie got a lot of hate, some warranted but the director's cut makes this an underappreciated addition to the Alien franchise. I bet at this point a single talented artist/animator could digitally edit the alien effects in the film and make it so much better.
I would think that a robot does the puppet movements nowadays.
Brilliant movie.