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- I bough this Kubota BX23S about a year and a half ago and since then I have put less than one lonely hour on it. There just isn't a reason to use it when so many other better tractors exist (and since I own them too, I guess). Now if you think I'm just a John Deere Fanboy, you've got to check out our other head-to-head videos. That will change your mind. But as for the BX23S, I just can't endorse a customer to buy it when so many other good options are out there. Except for this one though... someone should definitely buy this one from me.
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wheels wont touch if the deck is lowered?
I have a bx23s, 54” snowblower, 60” brush hog, 48” box blade, 72” landscaping rake, love this trouble free piece of equipment. It works like a mule!
Think you bought something you wanted to hate mine is great,tough and very versatile for what I bought it for
300 hours on my bx23s so far and no issues that weren't self-induced. Seems like his main complaint is that it's undersized, so the title seems a little harsh. I think for 25k it's a great little machine for 10 acres or less.
I have a lot of hours on my Kubota trouble free and tough as nails it looks like this Kubota that this guy had really abused it
I have a BX23S. 2 years, 360 hours, no problems. I have removed my FEL a number times, without issue. This tractor is the perfect size for my three acres. Anything larger would be too large for my property. The 1025R was thousands $ more.
I found it a little ridiculous that you were taking issue with dings and scratches, when they’re caused by the owner, not the manufacturer: mistreat it, it will get damaged.
I could go on, but it seemed like you were looking for excuses to diss it.
I have the HLA light 36” forks, and the HLA1500 54” snow pusher. They all work really well for this small tractor.
I love my BX23S.
Somehow you beat the shit out of it
Absolutely love this machine. Had mine for six years and it’s never given me fits. Paid for itself three to four times over.
I own a bx23s and love it. Perfect size tractor for our yard. Sounds like you bought too small of a tractor to begin with. Perfect size tractor for our 5 acres. No leaks, but I never have disconnected either bucket, nor backhoe attachment for I bought the tractor for those two reasons
I had a 1025r and it spent more time in the shop then it did at my place I finally got john deere to buy it back. Bought a kubota and have over 500 hours on it,its been problem free so far.
Hey Courtney, the front wheels rub the mower deck because of the wheel spacers. If you remove them from the front you should find your clearance issues resolved. I do sell a kit to eliminate the single point connector, as they do commonly fail and are expensive to fix.
Let me know if you have any Kubota BX questions! I love these things!
Good to know!
I was going to say the same. Wheel spacers generally make turning clearances and rubbing worse, not better. Same concept with trucks and wider offset wheels. Operator error, in this case, I believe.
I put 1 1/2”spacers on the front of my BX and readjusted the wheel stops. 2” on the rear 😁
I have an older 25D that never ceases to amaze me. I don't use the mower deck with it and have made a few mods like rear wheel spacers, bucket cutting tooth, skid plate, larger stabilizer feet, ROPs lights etc. While it can't lift the most it can push a ridiculous amount. It has been problem free with exception of front steering boots and the recalled dash cluster from moisture. This tractor gets more time in the seat than my two larger kubotas and my skid steer. Everyone that uses it wants one. I will NEVER be without one. It's like my wheelbarrow but with a motor, shovel, rake.....a Swiss army tractor lol
I bought a used 25d and it has served me well. On the dash did kubota have a recall that replaced the dash or did you have to buy one
I have my second kubota now. Upgraded to the BX2680 and love it! No problems. At all!
I guess I'm glad I bought my BX2230 years ago-15 great years so far.
Love my BX23S. My water line to the house broke a week after I bought my bx23s, so I learned how to use a backhoe digging and replacing 1250ft of water line.
I own a BX2380 and it been trouble free for the 250hrs I've put on it thus far. By the looks of your BX it's had a very hard abusive life with the scratches, dings and bends on it. The previous owner just abused the crap out of it IMO. I run a 60" mower deck (yes, I agree. It a PITA to install), 60" rear blade, 60" rear box blade, 48" rough cut mower, and BX36S Wallenstein wood chipper and front pallet forks when needed. My Kubota BX has been trouble free and never let me down.
Great video Courtney. I have both the 1025r and BX2670. The 2 big things I can think of where the Kubota shines is the mower deck can be raised much higher than the 1025r mower deck and the Kubota BX always starts easier when cold. The 1025r smokes and coughs like crazy and will fill my entire shop with smoke! Other than that I've found the 1025r to be a notch ahead in almost every area.
My Cub Cadet does the exact same thing when its really cold. I can barely see inside my shed about 10secs after I start it.
I've got a bx25 that I bought new and just cracked the 800 hour mark. I love my little orange tractor. Loader, backhoe, box blade tiller, rear mower, and snow blower. I'm not even close to gentle with mine and it's been 100% reliable!
I was in the market for a bx23s last year. Went with the bigger b2601. Glad I did.
I hope anyone watching this reminds themselves that this is an opinion and for $20000+ investment you do more research. I have this machine and can't think of anything I don't like. This guy bought the wrong machine for his situation. As a lawn mower you wouldn't buy a tlb at all.
Pointing out the obvious isn’t helpful to anyone. You only like everything about that machine because you haven’t owned and used a 1025r 😂
Kubota is the Ohio State of tractors...pretty good but over rated by fanboys. Go Michigan!
@@merikatools568 Michigan has beat Ohio st once in the last how many years?
The 54” midmount mower does fit perfectly. The 60” is to wide to. Accommodate the larger blades.
Right on. He keeps comparing it to his bigger tractors. Most people who buy a sub-compact tractor just have one tractor, smaller space, etc.
I like the options that you gave out on what sizes of what that can go on the machine that was good information
Thanks for your comments and take on this machine. Your points are valid and I appreciate your perspective. I have a BX24 with 1300 hours on it. It has been a work horse for me and for most of my projects it has performed really well. Since it is my only machine I get lots of time on backhoe digging stumps and digging hydro trench on my new 92 acre property. I have often wondered whether to trade up to a newer unit with some more bells and whistles but seems like I should keep what I have and go with a second bigger tractor down the road when I need more capacity. Cheers!
Very glad to hear it’s working well for you. Thanks for taking the time to comment!
Holy smokes, this is your only machine for 92 acres?! 🤯 That's a ringing endorsement!
Thanks for the overview and honesty. Have it a thumbs up (despite the bad looking hoodie)😀
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I actually like the swivel seats for the backhoe,had both brands and sometimes a pain to flip they shorten up the overall length of machine which helps in a already stuffed garage.
So many vehicles and equipment sometimes get the ever loving crap beat out of them. That being said use it for what it was made for and a well taken care of machine will show
Have a friend who has one. Solid, bulletproof machine, owned for 3 years, no issues. Tons of holes and ditches dug, snowplowing, logging. You name it, it's done it!
Awesome
I LOVE MY BX2680! 2 1/2 years since new. 520hrs later still going 💪.
I bought a BX25 TBL new in 2015. We used it at our country place mostly for clearing snow during the winter months. It performed well for its size but did have a couple of annoying issues such as you stated. The day I bought it home, it failed to start. Dealer sent out service tech and found the key switch corroded due to water getting into it from being stored outside. In the 8 years I had it, it was stored inside. I had to relace both front axel pivot seals, all tie rod boots, (inner & outer), and one of the loader hydro lines as it leaked. The machine has a decent amount of power for its size but its weight was very limiting as traction was often an issue. It was awesome on fuel and was quite easy to perform maintenance on. I recently sold it and looked at a larger cab model B series but Kubota increased prices so much here in Canada, it practically priced itself out of consideration. I decided to go with a new Kioti DK4210SE which is to be delivered next week.
I've got my eyes and wallet set on a used L2501 HST or L3301 HST. Now just waiting for good deals to show up with loader and cutter attachments included. Should work well for 5 acres, and eventually I can get a BH77 backhoe to dig my pool.
I love my 2017 BX23s. It's a lot smaller than the 1025r, which is great when needing the tractor power in tight locations.
Why did you buy it, everything you listed as negative, should have been known at purchase. Obviously the leaks could've been a surprise.
I've had a BX23s for more than a year and I love it. I use it for maintaining my rental properties. I need something on the small side that can fit through 4' gates. I tow it in my dump trailer and it barely fits so it would take a significant investment for me to get something bigger. That being said, if I had something bigger, of course I would use it instead of the BX23s.
The BX23s doesn't weight very much so digging with the loader is difficult. A skid loader would work so much better. The backhoe is small so you have to move the machine frequently when digging trenches and this isn't easy because you have to turn the seat forward to move it. The factory pads on the backhoe outriggers are too small. I replaced mine with larger aftermarket pads which work great but they're heavier so it doesn't take much time at all before the outriggers start to droop when the tractor hasn't been used. There have been many times when I wished for a mini excavator but I can't afford one and don't have room to store it. This doesn't make the backhoe on the BX23s bad as it's still WAY better than a pick and shovel.
So, as someone who owns and loves his BX23s, I don't know why would have one Courtney. You have bigger machines that will do the job better. So sell that machine to someone like me that can get some value out of it. :)
I dug a 150 foot trench with my BX23S and only time I got off was to pee. Don’t use the parking brake and work the bucket and steering wheel from the backhoe position. Use the boom to push the tractor along.
I like mine,only thing that happened in a year and 50 hours was a oil leak in the rear end and they fixed it no problem.for it's size it does pretty good
Interesting. I had a 1025R that had a lot of leaks and issues so I traded it for 2038R and am pleased with the upgrade. I appreciate you thoughts and concerns you have had on that tractor.
Love the videos. Please keep them coming.
My parents bought a brand new 1025R in 2019 and within about 15 hours it had a major hydraulic leak that the dealer had to do major work to fix it. (under warranty of course) It had a lot of nice features but it just seemed underpowered to me. My father passed away in 2020 and I talked my mom into selling it for a larger tractor. I picked up a like new 2013 MX5100 with 200 hours and is sized to the property much better. The only thing I miss is the seat as it was so much better on the 1025R.
I have a 2020 BX2380 with 250 hours on it that I love. No leaks and it hasn’t needed anything but regular maintenance that I have been able to do myself.
I have a bx2670 and I work my little tractor hard it has just over 400 hours and no leaks or drips anywhere however mine is also the older model that does not have the single point hydraulic connector. Those were a good idea on paper and easy to use but not good in the long run. As for the bucket being bent up apparently the previous owner was not very kind to it because I have done a lot of sketchy things with my bucket and it isn't bent up at all. The mower deck is not a drive over connect however you can physically drive over top of the deck when you remove it or install. You can also dump your loader bucket all the way down push straight down lift the front tires up after you have the deck released and then slowly back up and curl your bucket back to carry the front tires over top of the deck that works very well also
The Kubota BX23 is great little machine I've been running them since 2003 I'm on my second one and wouldn't want to be without one. 😀
I have one for over 5 years and i use it for my business and never had a problem with it, You probably have a lemon. You can't get better!
Never had any of those problems with my bx23s and i put over 300 hours in a year. Maybe the guy you bought it from thought it was a bulldozer!
Great vid/comercial for products. I might have to buy 1 of those canopy's.
Awesome glad to hear it
Thanks. I watched to see what I needed to keep an eye on. 7 years and 398 hours and no problems yet, but who knows what can show up. BX25D. My front bucket and backhoe bucket are not even orange anymore, I've used them. Bottom plow, scrape blade, box scrape, tiller, ripper, disk harrow, hiller, and bush hog have been used on it. Haven't modified anything. No mower deck, got a Ferris for mowing. Got friends who build houses so I charge them $351 for days work with the backhoe, that made every payment. Mostly use it for my 6000 Sq ft garden and two driveways on 10 acres. Thanks for your honesty and tip on the 6 ft landscape rake as I grow rocks here in the north Georgia mountains. I'll check out the website.
the BX23s is the best tractor out there. I LOVE IT!!
I love my BX23S I have had no problems with it at all I call it my little beast.
Glad to hear it!
I have a 2380 and I love how it cuts the grass, is fast and clean cuts, I love my 2389
I'm at 300 hours with with my 2020 model and no issues. The front axle leaked slightly when new but I kept the fluid topped off and ran it . The leak slowly went away as the seals broke in. Sometimes I think issues can come from lack of or extremely light use.
Before getting a Kubota 2501, I had a bx1880, sold with 600+ hours…. worked great, no leaks. Even used with a pull-behind New Idea sickle mower & 10’ Ford Hay Rake prepping to bale hay. Would buy a bx again if I wanted a sub-compact with belly mower.
Glad i saw this video. The comments really do help as well. Im looking at a small tractor for my farm. I have a quarter section but rent out 110 acres to a neighbor. The rest is my recreation land... Grass, rolling hills, trees, bush and water. Im looking at options to dump our two riding mowers and do some yard work as well. So need a versatile machine to remove the odd stumps, tear out some annoying bushes and hopefully level some areas and dig out a shallow pond and use the dirt to backfill another very shallow pond.
From seeing advertisements i think this would be a machine to consider but ill keep an open mind as i check out other brands and machines.
Very strange that this tractor has so many bent items, especially the body and bucket. I had a BX2200D and it was an absolute work horse for me. I will admit I ended up with both front and rear axle seal leaks. I replaced the rears, the dealer did the fronts. But I had 1900+ hours on it. And I pull cut down trees. buckets full of field and lake stones, dug dirt and gravel and moved it around, had a cultivator and landscape rake. Loved that little bugger. Needed a bigger one, and the prices in late 2021 had jumped crazily. So I bought an LS MT342HC. Love this one. But at the same time I wish I hadn't sold the BX. So I didn't have the problems you have had with the 23S. And tell your brother Blue and White is nice too.
They all have their problems, no tractor is perfect at all. I am happy you tell it how it is Courtney, never stop doing that, makes your opinion mean a lot.
Appreciate it sir!
I disagree with you. I have the perfect tractor - lol 😂 - and it’s still running today.
In 1993, I purchased a Kubota B2150 with front loader, belly motor, post hole digger, and rotor tiller. What an amazing tractor. I’ve got less than 3000 hours on it, and the only issue I’ve had, was the spline inside the hydrostatic transmission; and that was probably the result of user error (me) for using it as a bulldozer when building my house and raising the grade on our water front property. My only regret is NOT purchasing the front end protection rack . Now my hood has all kinds of dents on it from moving moving rip-rap. I absolutely love ❤️ my B2150.
@@Joseph-wp2ry that is great! What I meant was just like you said in your example of having dents in your hood. Some will think that is the tractor's fault, the hood should not be metal. This is what I meant. There is no perfect tractor because some will always find faults (legitimate and/or perceived) with it. Just keep using it and if you think it is perfect that is all that matters! 🙂
My old man said it best buy what you like or you’ll never be happy to each there own. I have a bx haven’t had any issues. My biggest selling point was dealership location and what dealer was more interested in my business.
Couldn’t agree more. Visited an LS dealer 10 miles away and he was very aloof, same for the JD dealer 35 miles away. It was a windy day and he couldn’t be bothered to come outside and walk around with us. The next day we drove 50 miles into Tucson to talk to a Kubota dealership. He gave us brochures, showed us the repair center, and took us over to the BX line. Asked about our needs, told us about the 0% financing, no pressure to upgrade, no false promises about performance. As you can probably guess we are now an orange family.
Huh. My bx23s has been awesome. 20acres, hard use. I have noticed a tiny bit of hydraulic weeping at a couple rear fittings that I fixed by tightening, but otherwise has been great.
I was shopping for a 50-60 hp tractor. I looked at Deere, New Holland, LS, Mahindra, Yanmar, Kubota, and Kioti.. The two it came down to was Kubota and Kioti. I ended up buying a Kioti RX 6620 cab tractor.. what a beast! It was almost 10k cheaper than the Kubota, more hp, a lot more features. I'm sure that Kubota is a very high quality product overall but the the Kioti seems to be a much better value and I've given it some really hard use moving dirt and it is tough! I would encourage anyone considering a Kubota to at least look at a Kioti before pulling the trigger.
Sweet, that’s good to know!
I've had a BX2670 for over 3 years now and put hundreds of hours on it without any issues, except for the known wheel lug bolt issue on the front.
Oh so that wheel bolt thing is common? Never knew that.
I own two Bx tractors and have none of these issues. The only bending of metal came after I turned it up by the overload valve . I have 1000 hrs on a Bx 22 and 500 hrs on a Bx 25D that I use on a landscape business.
After a 6 month plus wait my BX23S is in the country. (Australia) No idea when it arrives at my house though.
And now you put this video out!
It turned out just fine didt it?
@@pitviper404only minor issue is the treadle pedal not always returning to centre.
So far it has done everything asked of it better than expected.
good luck trying to sell it with this glowing review!
Ha! Tell me about it
I have two BX23s machines. They are workhorses! Zero issues on both. Bought a 2nd BX to replace a Bobcat L23 (the L23 is awful). My dad just sold his 25D with 800hrs that never had issues.
Well we have a BX23S and love it. Everything works just as it should and is perfect for the small farm owner. Just like someone below said it was thousands below the green guy, $6k in our area to be exact and it works just as well if not better judging from our initial test drives before we purchased. From the looks of the bends, dings and scrapes on your machine I would begin to expect operator error over equipment quality. Oh, and I grew up on a 50 acre farm with Popping Johns and Farmalls but I don't think our tractors were ever that banged up. My Father and Grandfather would have skinned us alive if we had parked a machine with it banged up like that. There are always things that may go wrong with company's new tractor and a reputable company will see they are repaired, but having pride for and taking care of your equipment is your half of the bargin that must be held up.
2021 BX 2380 here. I have the drive over deck but do not drive over it. I prefer the deck connection and mid PTO connection of the drive over setup. I also had the leaky single connector. There was a revised version that was covered under warranty and I haven’t had a leak since replacement. I almost pulled the trigger on a 1025r but I have a Kubota dealer 3 miles away, 0% financing and about $1800 less made my decision.
Love my BX25. Just like people told me, I found more ways to use it than I ever imagined. The BX25 has the front loader and the backhoe. I don't have a mower or other attachments although I did buy some clamp on forks. We built a house on 8 acres of virgin forest property in Lancaster Co, PA. We've had plenty of need for a backhoe, like to plant trees, dig out for a paver patio, dig up a pipeline problem, bury my in-laws' cat, prepare gravel foundation for a garden shed, etc. Actually the biggest use for the backhoe has been digging huge rocks out of the 1000 sq ft vegetable garden. The forks are handy of course for anything on a pallet (that doesn't weigh more than like 500 pounds), for loading up fallen branches or picking up logs. About the biggest log it could handle was a 8 foot long 16" oak. If I could do it again, I probably wouldn't buy clamp-on forks because they don't stay parallel and you can't use the forks to push things around because it ends up that the fork is often what gets pushed around. I am thinking of using the forks as a basis for my own custom attachment, a front pitchfork. We get loads of grass clippings for free and use them as mulch all around the yard. The guy dumps a truckload and the front loader doesn't scoop up the clippings very well. It would be better to have something like a giant pitchfork. So I'm thinking of welding up a mesh of rebar pieces that slides over the clamp-on forks and works like a pitchfork to skewer the pile of clippings. I do wish it had more clearance because I want to cut some pathways through the woods.
Hey Courtney, your content is top notch, your channel is probably a more useful and practical subcompact tractor than Messicks even.
I feel like if you have a 1025R and like it then its not surprising the BX23s you bought just sits. What could it be used for other than doing crew work in close quarters?
I knew nothing about tractors or property and it took me forever to even figure out what tool I needed until one day it came to me "small tractor loader backhoe" and when I typed that in to google the results were 1025R or BX23s. I hemmed and hawed trying to decide which one, and what made me pull the trigger on Orange instead of Green is an Andrew Camarata video that said he doesn't buy JD. Of course I don't have a JD to compare but so far I'm glad I got the BX.
I'm surprised you can't find much backhoe work on your property, I only have five acres and I've use it for trenching and stump digging a lot and have a lot more to do. I probably use it about 30% of my tractor time.
Anyways, pointless ramblings. Glad you made this video it was a lot of fun to watch!
I wanted to get a 1025r but it was going to be $10K more in Canada with a bush hog, box blade, and snowblower then the BX23s. I've put about a hundred hours on it and so far it has done everything I wanted it to do. Of course, if I also had a 1025r I probably wouldn't use the BX23s either.
BX23S owner here. They are made for the SMALL property owner that doesn't have access to other heavy equipment. It's not for the guys that own tens or hundreds of acres. I have 2 acres, and I use it to clear the land, regrade the property, fix the gravel driveway, dig the occasional French drain or ditch, moving mulch, mountains of dirt (100+ cu yds and still going), move logs, etc etc etc. Brand new, I paid maybe $23k and I'm close to getting what I paid for it, in work $$$ saved by the end of this year (2 years). Great little machine that never ceases to amaze me.
With that said, if you have more property or have larger projects, the little BX23S isn't gonna be enough. It WILL do the work, it'll just take you longer than larger machines.
2000 hours in on our bx2200, have had leaks on the front axle but was very easy to fix, have used the loader as a backhoe digging massive holes on several occasions, im seeing more and more, older is just better
I love my Kubota BX23S. This is exactly why there's several tractor manufacturers, and most likely none of them will be good enough for you! Kubota builds great tractors, and no reason to bash them! Why would Kubota owners buy tractor attachments from you after watching the video? You should support businesses that support the equipment you own and use!
I have a Kubota bx2380 with a loader and mower no backhoe. I have a garden tiller for it also. I use it primarily to mow and for tight snaller jobs. I have zero complaints with mine. I have R4 tires and mine do not hit the deck.
If you still have this it would be interesting to see this in use to show exactly what it can and cannot do vs the 1025r.
From Australia - Been around larger tractors all my life and downsized to 5 acres of bushland with the BX23s (I've put over 400 hours on it) I've dug out about 30 big stumps and the mid deck mower gets left on all the time because it is a total pain to take off and on on uneven ground which is all I have. I love Kubota and this thing is tough and very well built (not a dent on it so far except for the useless grill at the front) but apart from being excellent as a mower everything about it is too small for my 5 acres and I do regret buying it as they are very expensive here (well over 30k 5 years ago). I do NOT find removing the 'tiny' 4 in 1 FEL or Backhoe a big deal however the FEL wouldn't lift the skin off a custard so I leave it off unless I want to use it for counterweight when using the backhoe, and yes having to get off and on all the time to reposition the Backhoe is a total pain.
Problem Repositioning the back hoe, do you mean sideways. Not forwards or backwards?
I bought a BX23S the end of last year and only started to use it in the spring of this year. It has about 85 hours on it and has been trouble free for all of them. I've used it mostly for clearing land and it's been great for that. I put the third function kit on for a grapple which has made it much more useful. However, my needs have changed and I now need a larger tractor. I will most likely be going with a TYM T394 or T 747. I think TYM offers a much better value than Kubota or John Deere and with their recent purchase of Branson their dealer network will grow quite a bit. TYM also owns their engine manufacturer Kukje. (though they still use Yanmar in several models). But value-wise, a TYM T25 with backhoe is the same or less than a BX23S or 1025R and will outperform both of them quite handily.
WOW! 85 trouble free hours. Imagine that!!!!
One thing I noticed and recommend you pay attention to. It can be easy to manipulate specifications or come up with your own testing standard when it comes to claims of performance. Sears was famous for that in their Craftsman brand. Everything they sold from a handheld circular saw to their lawn tractors always had these high claims of horsepower, where the same engine in another brands application had a lower stated value. I am in the market to upsize from my present BX25D to a larger unit and was comparing an offering from Mahindra to a similar sized Kubota unit. The Mahindra had higher ratings for lift capacity for their FEL and 3-pt. It also had a higher horsepower rating of the engine. But, when I looked at the unit weight, I noticed the Mahindra weighed 2000 pounds less than the Kubota. Where did the weight "savings" come from? Well, I will give you my "guess". It is because the Mahindra is made of thinner steel everywhere. How do you think that is going to stand up to service where you take the manufacturer at their word in terms of specs and size the tractor to your planned operations to just be adequate. A lot of buyers do this because tractors are super expensive, and this drives them to buy a unit that just meets their capacity needs. My thoughts are that the tractor built to margin will withstand long term use better if it is made of heavier, presumably more durable, quality materials and put together with quality than the same unit made of less material. In the tractor world durability is the most desirable quality over anything else. To ME, tractors are TOOLS made to WORK. I am not a Kubota fan boi, which is why I have been looking at other brands for possibilities, but my experience has been good given the 400 hours I put on my machine with no issues outside routine maintenance. I am considering others, but they have an uphill battle given my positive experience. I am looking to upsize because I have been pushing the capabilities of my current machine, and think this is unwise.
@@LisaMedeiros-tr2lz what does mahindra have to do with the tym he mentioned, (yes I know TYM makes some mahindras) The TYM and Kioti are about 500 lbs heavier than the kubota in the compact tractor size. btw, even tho I know the TYM are more rugged, I went with the kubota 2301 because the TYM dealers are terrible here and the kiotis around I looked at were either overpriced or beat to pieces.
@@eviljesus5411 The comments were mostly agnostic to the brand being considered. The message is to look deeper than just claims of lift capacity on the 3-pt and FEL. I wondered how the Kioti could have greater spec'ed lift numbers, yet the machine weighed one ton less overall. The difference is in the structural steel. So if considering a TYM, look at more than lift capacity also. To me if the overall unit weighs less, than it has to be made of thinner structural steel. I can't see how that will make a unit more durable over time was the point.
Hey gwt. I caught that you said you had wheel spacers all around on it. Did u mean on the front as well. I never heard doing that before but could b the reason tires hit the deck when ya turn
I have a BX2380and have owned it for over a yr. Bought it used with 230 hrs and have currently put a 100 hours on it. Best purchase I have made and for my needs, it was a perfect fit. I've owned deere prior but got tired of paying for the deere prices for parts/service. Seems like deere costs/charges more because of being green. Sad to see this video and your experience with the BX...perhaps a lemon.
Glad to hear yours is treating you well!
I understand your gripe, but at 400 hrs. I think there are plenty of beat up 1025r's. That little kubota is made for the residential homeowner with 1-2 acres.
Your wheel spacers on the front are probably causing your clearance issues with the mower deck. Otherwise yes kubota could use some refinement on the bx tractors to make them more durable for work. To me the bx is for somebody that needs a little bit more than a garden tractor…. Keep up the great videos!
I have a BX23S and am just shy of 50 hours and no complaints. Now I do make a point of wiping down the single point hydraulic connector anytime I am reconnecting it, I am sort of anal about it because of past experience with hydraulic contamination and seeing how little it takes to break things. My machine lives inside when I am not using it. I also try and go slow and steady with it, because in my experience that seems to be were the machine is most effective and its surprising how quickly I an dig up a 5-6 smaller tree stumps. It would take me a whole weekend by hand and this thing gets that work done in a few hours.
I do have a theory that we all have brands that we are meant to own and ones we shouldn't. I had two jeeps that were absolute nightmares, everything that could go wrong did, but I knew people (and these were people I met in person) who had no problem whatsoever. Conversely I have owned numerous GM vehicles without a single problem and heard from others who had the exact opposite experience. Not sure why or how that works but maybe the universe just doesn't want you to have a Kubota and perhaps I would be going through hell if I had a 1025R.
It looks like the majority of people commenting are very happy with their bx23s. I also have one and I’ve put it to the test. Build a road in our property, dug trenches for water and electrical, cleaning, grading and everything in between. The BX23s is the real deal. Sure other subcompact tractors have their strength and positives but the kubota bx23s is at the top within the other comparables tractors.
Glad to hear it. You’re all wrong, but denial helps! 😂
Messick's Just showed some BX's coming from Japan.. I would love to see if there is any difference in the fit & finish compared to the US built ones
Interesting take on that. Surprising that a Kubota has that kind of issues. They do have a lot of little knick knack things that I don't like but never steered me away from them. Right now Kubota has a lot of growing pains. They're expanding quite a bit in the United States. My biggest complaint with Kubota right now is in their largest tractor series. Been out for two years nobody's even seen one. Got all my money back from the order. Even still no sign. Pretty sad 😢
Which series is that?
@@GoodWorksTractors It would be the Kubota M8 Series tractors. 200-250 horse . Versatile builds them and sells them under the Nemesis Name and has a few in the country
I think that after you get moved onto the new property and you need to run power or water to a building or just a location, or need to clear some area. You will be very thankful that you have that excavator. Digging 200 plus feet of trench will go a lot better and faster than the backhoe on a tractor.
My question is this: with so many tractors and not enough to do with them, do you use a special fuel stabilizer? Or take any other measures to keep them in good working order? I have an extra old Kubota lawnmower so I just wanted to know. Will maybe sell it but until then..,
I’ve got a grand L and it’s been bulletproof for 15 years. This little one is a Swiss Army Knife. It does a lot but none very well.
Grand L is awesome
I had a bx24 and bx24. They are not heavy enough to do a lot of work. The problem with the bx is the unprotected cheap plastic hydro fan. Cheap cheap cheap but not inexpensive to fix! They are what they are, I traded up to b2601 and happy with everything except it’s a little tippy ( maybe need spacers, eh Courtney) I still think the bx is the best of the class. Cheers
There is a couple of companies that make belly pans for the BX. The one I have works great it’s from Bxpanded. And wheel spacers are the first thing I put on my BX. No more butt puckers😁😂😂😂
I had a BX 26 hp and it seemed to always run close to red on gauge. Never did like the reverse mount engine and reverse mount radiator. Never many issues with it.But it just wasn't the right fit for me.
Is there spacers in the front wheels, is that the reason they hit the mower deck. Adding 2" out wards ???
I think you were a bit harsh on the bx23s. You bought it with 400 hours on it and it looks like the previous owner was pretty hard on it. The wheels rubbing on the mower deck is because of you spacers, mine doesn’t rub at all! I don’t have multiple tractors to choose from like you so having a Swiss Army knife of tractors is huge for me. We have done a bunch of projects around our house that would have been impossible without it and we have a lot more planned. While it may not have the highest lift capacity or tightest turning radius it is well designed and engineered. It’s a good compromise for all its ability.
Sorry to hear about you issues with your BX. Most people seem to do great with them. I`m not sure what the deal is with yours. Maybe not the tractor for you anyhow. At some point you might just sell it and move on. Loved the video though. Your reviews are always honest, and I love that. God Bless, and I can`t wait for the next one ;)
Thank you Connor, I appreciate you following along!
I would never buy one with the mower underneath the tractor. Why did you get one like that and not just get the brush hog?????? Pain in the ass to get on and off.
@@blessed7fold Well, thank you. I appreciate that ;)
Team green has been good to me. And when auto connect is adjusted properly, there's no better, easier, way to connect a mower deck. It would be nice if they put a higher flow pump on the 1 series for the backhoe to run a little smoother though. But let's be honest, if there was one brand out there that was perfect, it would be the only one purchased. Keep up the honest reviews. We appreciate it.
As someone who dose not have a collection of tractors at my disposal, my Kobota bx2380 is the best investment I made, only wish I got the 23s because now I have a great need for the backhoe such as diging around my foundation for waterproofing and installing a cistern to help with my water situation.
Isn’t it great to get an opinion from someone who has a collection of them at his disposal? I impartially let you know what I like. Not just because it’s the only one I own. Crazy how that opinion isn’t valued more. Foolish to be ignored.
The wheel spacers on the front are probably why the tires rub the deck. The old tires may not have rubbed due to them being worn. Just a thought.
Thought about that, but the deck tapers a bit further back the further outside you go. Seems it would help if anything?
My thought, too. You mentioned you would think it would have more "wiggle room" farther out, but I don't believe that is the case.
Easy enough to check: remove one wheel spacer and see if it makes a difference. I think it will.
Imagine the tire turned and touching the mower deck. Would it be touching if it were X inches closer to it’s pivot point?
@@flszen Yeah that was my thought process.
At 4:58, the angle of the tire is approximately 45 degrees and the angle of the deck is probably less than 20 degrees. Definitely remove the wheel spacer as the farther the wheel sticks out, the more interference with the deck will occur. If you visually draw a line tangent to the side of the tire, you can see that the interference increases as the wheel moves out.
If you want to ship your problem child to the west coast, I think I might like to have it, you can keep the mower deck. What did the dealer do to fix the leaks? I am looking for one of these, with a few attachments.
That machine looks like it had a rough life or the new models quality has come down. I have a BX23S bought in 2017 and comparing it to the Deere at the time (No second seat edition) I like the capacity of the Deere but the Kubota was more refined and that mostly was that the backhoe appeared to be an after thought as the hose was run over the floorboards (they have since resolved this) and the hydraulics handled multiple operations better. The only issue I have had was the leak in the single point connection (Don't take off loader much either) and dealer warrantied it and replaced with 4 individual attachments (I was bummed but the leak got bad). I know people with the Deere and drive over deck and they had issues with it consistently connecting and they ended up buying a zero turn. Everything has their quirks or issues and you need to decide what you want to live with.
That sucks about the front tires but not all tires are created equal, I'd check to see if that 18in tire is true to size or not. Looking at the tire the sidewall looks larger than stock. My machine has 400 hours and the only leak I have not is one fitting on the backhoe.
If I were to do this again, I would strongly consider going to a B series to get more lifting capacity, but my BX does everything I need and what it doesn't not sure the 1025R would either.
Good info, thanks for sharing!
Give the LX a look, it’s quite the Mighty Mouse.
@@lordchaa1598 yea I’ve been eyeing the cab model and was looking at the large frame B previous (which is the LX now)
you put wheel spacers on the front? maybe that affected the mower deck rubbing?
Feel like it shouldn’t, but maybe
Isn't this channel a John Deere promoter? That'd be the motivation for piling on Kubota.
You've been misinformed th-cam.com/video/nIiUKojk-84/w-d-xo.html
are there wheel spacers on the front?
Whoever owned it before you beat the snot out of it!
When I was shopping I compared the BX Kubotas to the JD 1025r's. Not even close. The 1025r is _so_ much beefier, more steel, more solid, etc, etc.
And alot more money in my area! For the price of a 1025r I could have got a b2601 for $500 more no comparison between those two. Buy green it will cost you more green!!
@@troyvankinder9249 Yep - it was a little more than the BX. Steel costs money. Was money well spent to me. Different strokes...
Agree to disagree on tractors, but what we can agree on is GO BLUE! From Onsted
I love mine, no problems at all
I rented one of these with a neighbor a couple of weeks back. 33 grand for one here in Canada.
I'd rent one again, but no way would I ever spend that kind of money to buy one; it isn't worth anything close to that much. For that kind of money, I'd go with a good used 'real' backhoe. A 580 or a Cat 416 or similar. But as a rental, the Kubota was exactly what I needed to get a job done.
Just my two cents worth. No need to take it seriously.
What do you think of the l2501 can some day can you go over the l2501 the good the bad and the ugly
I'll completely agree with your comparison of the 1025R compared to the BX series. 4 years ago I bought a J.d.3025 E. Worst tractor I ever bought. My 4 year old tractor has 90 hours on it. I use it very little. Hardly ever use it. The loader is spec 'd to lift 1300 lbs. Mine won't lift up a 55 gallon drum of diesel fuel. Weighs about 500#s full of fuel. My electric PTO switch sometimes doesn't engage. Pull the switch and wait a couple minutes, it usually comes on. I like John Deere but I don't like this John Deere. I've owned others never had any major problems. My younger brother has a 4005 John Deere and loves it. He bought it new 10 - 12 years ago. Had it back to the dealership a couple times to get fixed, nothing was ever fixed. Lift capacity no better. Electric PTO switch no better and getting worse. I'm tempted to trade down a few years to get a better tractor. One I can use to work not just let my three granddaughters drive in the field. The youngest wants me paint it pink. I'm thinking lemon yellow would be a better choice. Do you take tractor on trade ins Courtney? It looks nearly new. Let me know. Mssgs me on Facebook if you do take trades. My budget won't allow me to buy a new tractor and loader but I'd e willing to trade down and give boot on my machine. I'm kinda looking for a J.D. 4300 or preferably a 4400 gear drve,/ shuttle shift and loader. I'd be willing to give some boot e/low hours
I have a 2019 BX23S I bought new and absolutely love it. Only have 3.5 acres and it tackles everything for me. Never had a hydraulic leak, but I do agree, the biggest upset for me is the bucket size.
you mention that the wheels hit the mower deck, then later you mention that you put wheel spacers all around. do the tires still hit the mower without the spacers?
I believe they did, it’s been over a year though
Newer bx machines lack the quality present when they were introduced in the early 2000s. Our first bx2200 is still kicking today beyond the 2000 hour mark with nothing more than routine maintenance. I'd say roughly 2/3 of the hours are 3pt pto run time with the final 3rd spent running a 60" belly mower. Seemed rational to get another bx after 15 years of excellent performance, the Bx2380 we bought had issue after issue both with hydraulics and mower deck and gearbox. Ended up trading it back to the dealer under 50 hours for a Bx26 similarly equipped to the one in the video. Unfortunately it had similar issues and we sold it outright. Still have the Bx2200 and still put 5 to 10 hours on it weekly. Might consider a B series but I'd never look at another Bx.
I would be interested to know if maybe it was the early model bx2380s that had those problems. What year was yours? I suspect that Courtney's is a 2017 or 2018. I have a 2019 bx2380 that I bought used, but according to the owner and the dealer it had no problems in its first 3yrs/140 hours before I bought--they paid $1400 for the 5 year extended warranty. I have certainly abused it digging out large stumps and grading rocky soil with a ratchet rake for another 15 hours with no problems or leaks anywhere, and the single point connection is still dry despite connecting and reconnecting it 6 times so far as it is so easy. My neighbor is a John Deere salesman working at our largest dealer, and he said the first 2 years of the 1025r were filled with warranty problems so he advised also avoiding those early 1025r models.
@@brianbecker7588 Want to say it was a 2016. Got it right around the time they released the 80 series machines. Can't remember if it made 6 or 7 trips back to the dealer before we traded it back in. They'd keep it for a month and "resolve" the issue and declare it fixed. The final straw was when the upper nut backed off the spindle on the belly mower for the second time and this was about an hour of run time after getting it back from the dealer where the spindle assembly was replaced. We kept it for about 4 years and only put about 50 hours on it. The Bx26 was better but from a performance standpoint was underwhelming. Of course it was better than using a shovel but to dig holes but it certainly wasn't a powerhouse. Both machines had hood latch and overheating issues as well as problems with the power steering lines too. If I had to pick one to keep the Bx26 was it no doubt but a B series is the only real choice if I'm honest. To cover the duties we had used them for previously we use the Bx2200 to run a pto sprayer exclusively now and bought 2 zero turns to keep the grass tamed.
@@benjaminbrooks7979 Thanks for the info as that makes me feel much better although that really sucks at the quality issues you had to deal with. It appears they have better quality now although I am sure there are still some lemons out there. My neighbor's father in law has only bought John Deere his whole life and bought one of the first 1025R models back in 2014 I think. He had alot of annoying quality issues, and they were all covered under warranty. However, even though the dealer picked up and dropped off his tractor it drove him crazy. Our steep terrain apparently kept giving his front axle issues with his front differential locking up. The second time and a 5th trip to the dealer, John Deere actually bought it back. The Bseries is my favorite compact tractor, but used newer ones are very rare, and the BX does everything I need. Many of us in the mountains bush hog and "weed wack" on steep slopes with our BX since it will mow at 6" ---although that's really supposed to be the transport height.
Wow. Would have assumed Kubota would not have so many systemic concerns..I actually went with Massey Ferguson recently, and felt Kubota may have been a better choice. I’m actually very impressed with Massey Ferguson 1723EB.
I test drove a Massey. Liked it overall but had way too much vibration.
Bigger Botas are great
I have a MF 1740M, bought it in June of 2019 and I have almost 290 hours on it now. It is absolutely an awesome tractor. In fact, I would love to have a GC1725MTLB with the backhoe on it as well.
@@tlm3574 I chose Massey as it’s VERY well built. High quality. I believe all the big brands are good as well, but just went MF. Had it for about a year and it has been phenomenal.
Courtney, could you review the LS MT347HC ? You have done a good job bringing in Kioti, can you do the same with LS?
BX23S is a Japanese mini-elephant. I think this one was abused. Also the mower attachment on a tractor just says... ya... the bends all over seem like abuse... that simply doesn't happen unless user-error.. The previous owner probably wanted a lawnmower and had no idea about the whole tractor part of this deal.