As a new BX owner, I can confirm your experience... one main difference between the tractors is the BX has a Skid Loader arm, which is one reason the capacity is different. The arm design is for adding forks and other accessories, but it sacrifices loader capacity. If you had a BX without this feature, you might see a different experience.
The skid loader carrier is one of the 2 options the BX has for the loader option. You are correct the skid loader is heaver than their pin on options and because of it the loader lifts less. I belive they have a second option for the bucket that they list the lift capacity in their owners manual and it is still less than the Deere. The bigger issue is, with both buckets, the Kubota struggles to fill the bucket full which the Deere can do at idle. i appreciate the feedback and thanks for watching. Sorry for the delay on the reply!
I think most people who are all in one way or another between the 1-Series and the BX are that way because that's the tractor they have. Prior to purchasing my first tractor, a BX23S, I went back and forth between the two, and back and forth, and forth and back, and then back and forth one more time. Both have features that will appeal and ultimately steer the purchaser towards one or the other. In the end you make the decision and hopefully you've made the right one. The bottom line is that as you use your chosen machine, you get to know its strengths and weaknesses and learn to use it to its fullest potential.
I thought your loader comparison was very fair. Always difficult unless you are on a test stand hahah, to make it perfect, but when there is that much disparity between them, small differences don’t matter. There really is a big difference between these two machines and I have owned both of them. Hands down the Deere way outperforms the equivalent Kubota, in this class, in all respects and I love Kubotas. Nope my underwear is not green. I have had 4 Kubota’s , 2 New Holland’s and now a year 2020 1025R. I always refused to go to the green side. Till I test drove one and the dealer and they had a test area to put it through its paces. Have to say I have never had any major issues with any of the Kubotas, New Hollands or John Deere. But the 1025R punches so far above its weight class :-).
At 1:40”, yo have the Kubota digging down into mud while the deer’s bucket was sliding on the gravel filling up and curling back. So no fair comparison to start with. Moreover, compare the BX 23S to JD 2023e. Come on !!!
Thanks for watching! So I actually explained that during the video, and make a whole 2nd day of filming. The level indicator on the Kubota makes it hard to see if the bucket is level. The Deere has a better level indicator that makes if very easy to see. I actually made a videl with the Deere 1023E (23 hp) verses the Kubota 2680 (25hp). Unfortunately the Kubota still struggles to get a full load with it smaller bucket and the Deere still lifted out a full bucket at idle. I appreciate the feedback! Thanks for watching!
Thanks again Kurt! Should be before the weekend. Redesigned the layout and I am working to piece back together. I received permission today to do a 1023E vs Kubota BX2680 video as the next comparison. I think they should be more comparable but we will see
@@EverythingGreenTractors I have a land plane for the 3 point, interested in a land leveler to go on the loader. Tractor Time With Tim did a demo on one from Heavy Hitch, but I was thinking more like the one Cold Rolled makes.
Interesting, BX2380 175h here, same tractor, no backhoe. Video looks accurate to me. Mine moves full buckets of wet topsoil, but with the techniques you used. Rock would be a bigger challenge. My small property had very rocky soil and the bucket needs the dirt broken up to move it. Ballast helps without a backhoe. Mine only struggles occasionally and is a huge help overall. The deer guys were too preoccupied to get out of the office when I visited them first, so I never looked at a 1025.
Thanks again Craig. It is too bad you had a poor experience. Definitely not all dealerships are the same. I have heard issues people have had with other sales people from all tractors dealerships including within our own. If you ever have a chance go back a check out the hydraulics on the Deere for yourself. See how they compare!
I would have bought a JD 1025, but instead I bought a BX23S Kubota. JD was from 7 to $ 10,000 much more expensive. I am pretty happy with my BX23S. I does the job. I never mistreat it. I take care of it.
Well done addressing the comments. The BX has a heal lever (left side) to put it in “real” 4WD, yeah, I think it’s dumb too, but adds a lot of pushing and pulling power. Biggest issue I run into is the light weight, likes to spin the tires. I don’t understand the reason for testing tractors at other than max pump rpm. Is it for fuel savings? The BX uses about 0.6g/hr at 2500 rpm. Funny you never mention the annoying-as-hell whine of the BX, was told they “fixed” that for the ‘24 models.
Thanks Cow Rocket! Thanks for responding! I did not use the differential lock on either tractor. Deere’s is a tiny knob under the left heal. I never have to use it. I kept the conditions of both tractors the same. The reason I am testing all rpm’s is because the Kubota sales people are also claiming the BX23 is the same. So the point is to test their claim the tractors will perform the same at all RPMs which they don’t and honestly they don’t test the same at any of the rpm levels. I spoke with several of my customers who all said the same thing, they rarely use the tractor at or above 2500 rpm when using their loader and I agree. I am usually at 2000 and with lighter things like mulch I am at idle. I don’t mention the whining because I did not know. When we trade in a 2024 I will test that and see if it makes a difference in performance.
There is truth to that if all other components remain the same. The 2025R is actually rated at a lower HP than the 1025R with the same engine and transmission, even though it is a larger frame tractor. The larger tires make the difference.
I own a 2014 1025R and love it. But I love watching Biff he is a magician on his BX.
He does a good job!
Thanks for making the videos and for allowing everyone to comment. I think we all learn something from these. Thanks for explaining your process.
Thank you for watching! I really appreciate it!
As a new BX owner, I can confirm your experience... one main difference between the tractors is the BX has a Skid Loader arm, which is one reason the capacity is different. The arm design is for adding forks and other accessories, but it sacrifices loader capacity. If you had a BX without this feature, you might see a different experience.
The skid loader carrier is one of the 2 options the BX has for the loader option. You are correct the skid loader is heaver than their pin on options and because of it the loader lifts less. I belive they have a second option for the bucket that they list the lift capacity in their owners manual and it is still less than the Deere. The bigger issue is, with both buckets, the Kubota struggles to fill the bucket full which the Deere can do at idle. i appreciate the feedback and thanks for watching. Sorry for the delay on the reply!
I think most people who are all in one way or another between the 1-Series and the BX are that way because that's the tractor they have. Prior to purchasing my first tractor, a BX23S, I went back and forth between the two, and back and forth, and forth and back, and then back and forth one more time. Both have features that will appeal and ultimately steer the purchaser towards one or the other. In the end you make the decision and hopefully you've made the right one. The bottom line is that as you use your chosen machine, you get to know its strengths and weaknesses and learn to use it to its fullest potential.
I thought your loader comparison was very fair. Always difficult unless you are on a test stand hahah, to make it perfect, but when there is that much disparity between them, small differences don’t matter. There really is a big difference between these two machines and I have owned both of them. Hands down the Deere way outperforms the equivalent Kubota, in this class, in all respects and I love Kubotas. Nope my underwear is not green. I have had 4 Kubota’s , 2 New Holland’s and now a year 2020 1025R. I always refused to go to the green side. Till I test drove one and the dealer and they had a test area to put it through its paces. Have to say I have never had any major issues with any of the Kubotas, New Hollands or John Deere. But the 1025R punches so far above its weight class :-).
At 1:40”, yo have the Kubota digging down into mud while the deer’s bucket was sliding on the gravel filling up and curling back. So no fair comparison to start with. Moreover, compare the BX 23S to JD 2023e. Come on !!!
Thanks for watching! So I actually explained that during the video, and make a whole 2nd day of filming. The level indicator on the Kubota makes it hard to see if the bucket is level. The Deere has a better level indicator that makes if very easy to see. I actually made a videl with the Deere 1023E (23 hp) verses the Kubota 2680 (25hp). Unfortunately the Kubota still struggles to get a full load with it smaller bucket and the Deere still lifted out a full bucket at idle. I appreciate the feedback! Thanks for watching!
Looking forward to day 2....
Thank you!
Thanks again Kurt! Should be before the weekend. Redesigned the layout and I am working to piece back together. I received permission today to do a 1023E vs Kubota BX2680 video as the next comparison. I think they should be more comparable but we will see
@@EverythingGreenTractors have you tried a land leveler for the FEL? I'm curious as to how well they work...
@@kurtloftfield4537 are you talking about the Land Plane?
@@EverythingGreenTractors I have a land plane for the 3 point, interested in a land leveler to go on the loader. Tractor Time With Tim did a demo on one from Heavy Hitch, but I was thinking more like the one Cold Rolled makes.
@@kurtloftfield4537 I do not have that. I will have to check it out! Thanks
Interesting, BX2380 175h here, same tractor, no backhoe. Video looks accurate to me. Mine moves full buckets of wet topsoil, but with the techniques you used. Rock would be a bigger challenge. My small property had very rocky soil and the bucket needs the dirt broken up to move it. Ballast helps without a backhoe. Mine only struggles occasionally and is a huge help overall. The deer guys were too preoccupied to get out of the office when I visited them first, so I never looked at a 1025.
Thanks again Craig. It is too bad you had a poor experience. Definitely not all dealerships are the same. I have heard issues people have had with other sales people from all tractors dealerships including within our own. If you ever have a chance go back a check out the hydraulics on the Deere for yourself. See how they compare!
I would have bought a JD 1025, but instead I bought a BX23S Kubota. JD was from 7 to $ 10,000 much more expensive. I am pretty happy with my BX23S. I does the job. I never mistreat it. I take care of it.
Thanks for responding Carl.
Well done addressing the comments.
The BX has a heal lever (left side) to put it in “real” 4WD, yeah, I think it’s dumb too, but adds a lot of pushing and pulling power. Biggest issue I run into is the light weight, likes to spin the tires.
I don’t understand the reason for testing tractors at other than max pump rpm. Is it for fuel savings? The BX uses about 0.6g/hr at 2500 rpm.
Funny you never mention the annoying-as-hell whine of the BX, was told they “fixed” that for the ‘24 models.
Thanks Cow Rocket! Thanks for responding! I did not use the differential lock on either tractor. Deere’s is a tiny knob under the left heal. I never have to use it. I kept the conditions of both tractors the same. The reason I am testing all rpm’s is because the Kubota sales people are also claiming the BX23 is the same. So the point is to test their claim the tractors will perform the same at all RPMs which they don’t and honestly they don’t test the same at any of the rpm levels.
I spoke with several of my customers who all said the same thing, they rarely use the tractor at or above 2500 rpm when using their loader and I agree. I am usually at 2000 and with lighter things like mulch I am at idle.
I don’t mention the whining because I did not know. When we trade in a 2024 I will test that and see if it makes a difference in performance.
Regardless of what everybody else says you did great
Thanks I appreciate it! The JD1023E vs the Kubota 2680 is being released in the next few days, so we will see what they say for that one too!
I notice the front tires on the Kubota has a hard time when pushing into pile of rocks, the deere front tires had so much power they spun.
There is a difference in the way each tractor drives into the pile.
But how do both of these compare to a modified Komatsu D355A? Thinking like half inch steel plate filled with concrete.
Asking for a friend.
I don’t know does it have a good drive over mower deck?😂
@@EverythingGreenTractors not sure about mower deck options, but it can certainly drive over things…
Does both Kubota and deere have same height and width on all 4 tires?
I just took a look at them. All tires are the exact same.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Wider and taller tires take horsepower away
There is truth to that if all other components remain the same. The 2025R is actually rated at a lower HP than the 1025R with the same engine and transmission, even though it is a larger frame tractor. The larger tires make the difference.