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I have been using purolators lately and i love them. I used this one once but it leaked a little around the gasket and from what i have heard toyota prioritize flow over filtering
I often read the Toyota prioritizes flow of filtration suggestion. In PC (passenger car) use, I don't believe oil filter flow to be any concern. Imo, more likely because Toyota Denso filter ISO tested ~51% @20 microns. Not very efficient.
This is a great side by side. There's probably really good reasons for Toyota speccing the smaller filter (ok, most likely cost!) but things like pressure drop and packaging. I've noticed a couple of times that an OE filter is smaller (only 1/4" or so) than some aftermarkets...
Would be even better if Toyota is also making oil filters in the great USA. Would gladly buy a bag of rice from Thailand but engine parts...no thank you.
@@dominicfong6341 Just bought a set of 15" tires load range "C" for my 1970 C10. Thailand was the only available supplier with the larger width that was needed for my hay truck. They look like a good well made tire. How does this supplier using the larger filter get it to fit with the larger diameter? On our GM`s one can use a longer filter but not a larger diameter for more filtration area. Like your ending music!
I'm the east coast Warren 😂in Florida and I went from the 90915YZZD1 to the 90915YZZD3 for the same reason 2X filtering media is just a good insurance move.
Great video! I like the larger filters, but I’m sure it really doesn’t matter as under normal conditions and reasonable oil change intervals the smaller filters are never clogged to a restrictive level. I do not believe there is a problem with this type of filter construction as the amount of sealant is such that the ends are well sealed on the baseplate and the spring plate/bypass valve. I look forward to your upcoming “light test”. We will know for sure if my assumptions are correct or not! Have a great day.
The only reason small oil filters exist is because the manufacturers can say their engine consume less fissile fuels, AKA oil. Larger filter is always better
Do a water leak test on the valve. I cut open a fram ultra guard with a bypass valve like this, and I shined lite in it, and I could not see light, but water poured thru it which means oil would too
Great Job, Pete! Thanks for sharing, Warren! Looks like a typical Champ made filter even though it is made by Denso. The filter media looks like something from a Purolator red or white grade filter. The components in itself are nice but I have a feeling that bypass filter has problems.
Both typical Toyota Thai Denso OEM filters. Imo, I doubt using the longer D3 will make any difference at all in a well-maintained vehicle, Yaris more so. But if Warren gets the warm fuzzies using from the D3 and it fits, his call. Thanks for the vid, and back with the Bluegrass close.
@@ChrisPatrick-q6k Many owners of Toyotas (and other makes) prefer OEM filters. That's it. Actually, the Toyota Denso OEM OFs don't 'look' poorly made.
Hey Pete, just wondering if you've ever cut open a K&N Gold filter? Just watched engine masters episode, they said it was one of the best filters they've tested (didn't compare it to a Fram Titanium or Synthetic Endurance sadly) but they kept talking about how well it flowed and how good the micron ratings where. Here's where it gets interesting, there's a big pressure relief valve rating difference too, 11-17psi on the gold vs 20-28psi on the select. That's unfortunately one thing that was never mentioned on the engine masters video, that if they were running a higher pressure it may not have been filtering anything! I'm wondering if you could do a comparison? Maybe between the Gold HP-2011 vs their select SO-2011? The Gold filter is almost $10 CAD more on summit racing. Would be a good shout-out. Thanks, and cheers from Ontario, Canada!
Thanks for the review Whip - the seal diameters of the base plates appear to vary - myself I'd stick with the OE size - if 60 sq is good enough for Nissan's VQ V6 OE filter, then 109 sq is probably plenty for an I4, unless someone's running extended drains
Interesting that the internal components are different rather then just the size of the can and filter element. We have had Corollas for years and I buy a case of Toyota oil filters. We keep our cars until the wheels fall off and it is hard to determine oil filter quality so buying the Toyota filters are not very expensive, last batch were $5.00 each when buying 10..
Toyota OE filters have very poor filtration but lots of flow. They are cheap, I guess, but I'd rather use something with similar flow but significantly better filtration.
@@ChicagoRob2Do they really? All I'm hearing is "this Toyota is burning loads of oil now at 180,000 because the oil was only changed every 10,000 miles.
@@ChicagoRob2exactly. If the filters were bad Toyota would have engineered them differently. I have 2 Lexus, one at 234k the other at 181k and I use 90915-yzzd1 for both
Is there any way to test the pressure at which each bypass valve releases? The N1 is supposed to release around 12-15psi, while the D3 is supposedly less at 8-11psi. I wonder if the driver's oil pressure at idle is affected by the difference?
That's not so much the actual pressure the oil is at, keep in mind that oil "pressure" is really the Flow being kinda choked back by all the small clearances it has to get shoved through, bearing clearance being one of them When you look at what the flow is doing inside the oil filter itself, both the in/out sides of the filter media usually see pretty similar total pressures, what the Bypass valve is actually there to do is if there's too much of a difference in flow as the oil is pushed through the media, like if it gets clogged up with dirt/varnish and the pump has to push harder to shove that oil through the paper,, that's when you actually start to see Pressure differential inside the filter itself 👍
@@snoofayy6150 Well aware how a bypass valve works... The pressure differential at which the bypass valve opens depends on both the strength of the spring & the style of valve. If it doesn't open soon enough, a smaller engine's oil pump may not provide enough pressure to overcome the clogged filter & starve the engine by running at a lower pressure. I was asking if there was a way to MEASURE this pressure without having to build a setup like the "Brand Ranks" channel uses.
@@bluecranium good stuff man, my bad for misreading your question 😅 the speed at which a bypass valve can open is another thing to think about yeah! I never actually considered that
Look like nice filters. I'd use them. If the filter is on the bottom of the engine, like all my compact cars, I wouldn't use the longer filter. Sticking out a couple of inches lower is just asking for road damage. Hit a pot hole ot speed bump, might sheer off your filter.
Good morning Pete, Cool video ! I know my Friday morning is getting complete with viewing your videos every Friday. Take care and hope you have a good weekend my friend. 😊☕☕
my daughters honda civic uses a bigger filter in length than the subaru legacy my son has i'd love to just use the longer filter on the legacy but then it would be coming down closer to the exhaust pipe y probably why they made the filter shorter on a bigger engine car I wonder if it is some epa nonsense to use as little oil in the filters as possible so people are not throwing away a lot of oil with filter.
I often wonder about larger filters. Oil pressure difference? If I owned an older Toyota vehicle, I'd chance it. But why did they go to smaller. Costs? I own a 1.8 Toyota & figure there's a reason. Great video! 👍🇺🇸
Thanks to Warren! 😃👍 Baseplate, pre-lubricated O-ring: top! Double filter area: too! But no end-caps? How should that seal perfectly without a "short-circuit" in bypassing the filter media? 🤦♂️ Toyota, why? 🤷♂️
The inlet hole size, shape, or number that are in the base plate conversations make me laugh. Case in point. Just watched the three AC filter video with the different years of production. Your comment that the filter with 13 holes would flow better. How? I have watched for a long time, and nobody is calling anybody on this. There is only so much oil that can flow into and out of the filter. The filter screws onto the inlet pipe. What is the inside diameter of that pipe? As long as the material drilled out of the base plate to create the holes exceeds the inside diameter of the pipe the filter screws onto will be the flow rate. If a filter has 6,8, or 13 round, oval, or elongated holes does not matter. It is simple hydraulics and restrictions. First restriction is the anti-drain back valve. The oil coming in hits it, has to make a 90 degree turn and is deflected towards the side of the can, filling the void, before it can start going through the filter media. Then the restriction of the center core is next before oil can flow into the center hollow area of the filter. Up to this point the volume of oil is allowed to run at a higher volume this one time, then it is forced to go into it inside diameter of the pipe that the filter is screwed onto. From that point flow is dictated by how much oil can flow through the inside diameter of that pipe The filter I am looking at has 6 15/64th holes. My filter screws onto the threaded pipe that has an inside diameter of 36/64ths. Do you need two more 15/64th hole so it will flow better? No. The 6 15/64th inlet holes exceeds what can flow into the 36/64th inch diameter pipe. Granted the more holes you have only reduces what has to pass through six holes. Still with addition of more holes in the base plate round or oval/elongated does not make the filter flow better.
When comparing two oil filters, each filter having the same components but one has more inlet holes (the same diameter inlet holes), I'll take the one with more inlet holes every time. Have a good day.
Ok take the one with more holes. Telling your viewers you would do that is fine. Telling them it flows better because it has more holes is what you said. You know that is not true.
Filter comparison videos are amateurish and misleading because the never inform the viewer that a tiny filter like the toyota N1 can still enable a Toyota engine to last 1,000,000 miles.
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Another excellent video Pete ❤, nice sharing. Happy Friday, enjoy 😊.
@@SimpleTastyFood2024 Thanks Merri, have a great weekend👍
Nice. They are well made filters for sure. I run the 90915-YZZF2 filter on a 2006 Matrix with over 226,000 miles (5k OCI). I think it's working.
I have been using purolators lately and i love them. I used this one once but it leaked a little around the gasket and from what i have heard toyota prioritize flow over filtering
I read that too.
I often read the Toyota prioritizes flow of filtration suggestion. In PC (passenger car) use, I don't believe oil filter flow to be any concern. Imo, more likely because Toyota Denso filter ISO tested ~51% @20 microns. Not very efficient.
@@faxmen09 51%??? You are being kind, that's not good at all.
@@jamescaron6465 I know, trying not to be too critical. But, you're correct.
@@faxmen09 You are always very gracious.
This is a great side by side. There's probably really good reasons for Toyota speccing the smaller filter (ok, most likely cost!) but things like pressure drop and packaging.
I've noticed a couple of times that an OE filter is smaller (only 1/4" or so) than some aftermarkets...
If the filter goes on the bottom of the engine, you don't want a long filter poking out where things like speed bumps can hit them.
i am wondering if it is for some epa rules about how much oil gets thrown away with filter otherwise why not make the filters much bigger?
@@ranger178 credible suggestion - reducing a few Oz of oil inventory multiplied by thousands of vehicles... Plus cost of initial factory fill
The smaller filter allows oil pressure to build up faster, hence reducing cold engine start up wear better.
Good video Pete. Making oil filters GREAT AGAIN. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💙💙💙
Thanks, John👍
Would be even better if Toyota is also making oil filters in the great USA. Would gladly buy a bag of rice from Thailand but engine parts...no thank you.
@@dominicfong6341 Just bought a set of 15" tires load range "C" for my 1970 C10. Thailand was the only available supplier with the larger width that was needed for my hay truck. They look like a good well made tire. How does this supplier using the larger filter get it to fit with the larger diameter? On our GM`s one can use a longer filter but not a larger diameter for more filtration area. Like your ending music!
I'm the east coast Warren 😂in Florida and I went from the 90915YZZD1 to the 90915YZZD3 for the same reason 2X filtering media is just a good insurance move.
Smart move dear Warren! So glad for what you've done. My Prius C(basically the same thing) and I are saying a big thank you.
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The D3 will not fit that car. The comparison should be between N1 and F1 filters. Toyota tech here. Great video!
Warren told me he has used it on his vehicle, Thanks👍
Great video! I like the larger filters, but I’m sure it really doesn’t matter as under normal conditions and reasonable oil change intervals the smaller filters are never clogged to a restrictive level. I do not believe there is a problem with this type of filter construction as the amount of sealant is such that the ends are well sealed on the baseplate and the spring plate/bypass valve. I look forward to your upcoming “light test”. We will know for sure if my assumptions are correct or not! Have a great day.
Thank You, Have a great day too😊
The only reason small oil filters exist is because the manufacturers can say their engine consume less fissile fuels, AKA oil. Larger filter is always better
Large filters are a waste of cost & mass in a small engine. They never clog up in regular use.
Do a water leak test on the valve. I cut open a fram ultra guard with a bypass valve like this, and I shined lite in it, and I could not see light, but water poured thru it which means oil would too
Thanks for the suggestion, but I have already done a Flashlight test on them and the video will be shown this Tuesday 11-12-24
Great Job, Pete! Thanks for sharing, Warren! Looks like a typical Champ made filter even though it is made by Denso. The filter media looks like something from a Purolator red or white grade filter. The components in itself are nice but I have a feeling that bypass filter has problems.
Thanks, Jim👍
@@WhipCityWrencher ANytime, Pete! Love those Oil Filter Fridays!
Good Video WhipCityWrencher, I used to use the D3 oil filters on the Toyota Tacoma
Thanks, WrenchingMafia👍
Both typical Toyota Thai Denso OEM filters. Imo, I doubt using the longer D3 will make any difference at all in a well-maintained vehicle, Yaris more so. But if Warren gets the warm fuzzies using from the D3 and it fits, his call. Thanks for the vid, and back with the Bluegrass close.
You're Welcome faxmen09👍
But why buy this nonsense when for the same price you can have Hengst, Mahle, Wix etc?
@@ChrisPatrick-q6k Many owners of Toyotas (and other makes) prefer OEM filters. That's it. Actually, the Toyota Denso OEM OFs don't 'look' poorly made.
@@faxmen09 Well let them eat cake!
6 AM and already 13 comments. I'd have to be an insomniac to get the first comment on one of your videos.
LOL😊
Both look decently well built! Amazing the size difference, sometimes i wonder why oem would spec it for such a small filter?!
A small filter is all that's needed. Plus, the long filters often hang down very low, making them prone to road damage.
@@donwyoming1936Under trays?
Happy Friday watching now 😊
Happy Friday😊
Woohoo it’s Friday full watch friend
Thank You😊
Hey Pete, just wondering if you've ever cut open a K&N Gold filter? Just watched engine masters episode, they said it was one of the best filters they've tested (didn't compare it to a Fram Titanium or Synthetic Endurance sadly) but they kept talking about how well it flowed and how good the micron ratings where. Here's where it gets interesting, there's a big pressure relief valve rating difference too, 11-17psi on the gold vs 20-28psi on the select. That's unfortunately one thing that was never mentioned on the engine masters video, that if they were running a higher pressure it may not have been filtering anything! I'm wondering if you could do a comparison? Maybe between the Gold HP-2011 vs their select SO-2011? The Gold filter is almost $10 CAD more on summit racing. Would be a good shout-out. Thanks, and cheers from Ontario, Canada!
Cheers,
No, I haven't made a video of the Gold HP-2011, I'll have to look into it as it should make for a good video. Thanks!
Fram is not a good brand IMO.
Good day friend 👍
Thanks for the review Whip - the seal diameters of the base plates appear to vary - myself I'd stick with the OE size - if 60 sq is good enough for Nissan's VQ V6 OE filter, then 109 sq is probably plenty for an I4, unless someone's running extended drains
You're Welcome, Thanks😊
To many forgeries around, wouldn't like to get one of those.
Buy through a Toyota dealer website.....opt for local pickup instead of shipping to your door...and they cost less than $5 a pop.
You’ll get a legit filter from your dealer.
Interesting that the internal components are different rather then just the size of the can and filter element. We have had Corollas for years and I buy a case of Toyota oil filters. We keep our cars until the wheels fall off and it is hard to determine oil filter quality so buying the Toyota filters are not very expensive, last batch were $5.00 each when buying 10..
Identical filter media to Mazda CX-5 and Toyota Camry OEM filters. Very high quality.
Toyota OE filters have very poor filtration but lots of flow. They are cheap, I guess, but I'd rather use something with similar flow but significantly better filtration.
@@brassmule Toyotas routinely go 300K-400K miles with OE filters.
@@ChicagoRob2Do they really? All I'm hearing is "this Toyota is burning loads of oil now at 180,000 because the oil was only changed every 10,000 miles.
@@ChicagoRob2exactly. If the filters were bad Toyota would have engineered them differently. I have 2 Lexus, one at 234k the other at 181k and I use 90915-yzzd1 for both
What is your oil change interval? What model year are each of the cars?
Awwwww,that tiny filter is too cute 😍, looks like it could be used on a power wheels or little tikes car 🚗 😁
LOL 😊
nice filterjob,
Is there any way to test the pressure at which each bypass valve releases? The N1 is supposed to release around 12-15psi, while the D3 is supposedly less at 8-11psi. I wonder if the driver's oil pressure at idle is affected by the difference?
I don't know of any accurate way of testing them? I'm presuming/hoping they give us the correct measurements.
That's not so much the actual pressure the oil is at, keep in mind that oil "pressure" is really the Flow being kinda choked back by all the small clearances it has to get shoved through, bearing clearance being one of them
When you look at what the flow is doing inside the oil filter itself, both the in/out sides of the filter media usually see pretty similar total pressures, what the Bypass valve is actually there to do is if there's too much of a difference in flow as the oil is pushed through the media, like if it gets clogged up with dirt/varnish and the pump has to push harder to shove that oil through the paper,, that's when you actually start to see Pressure differential inside the filter itself 👍
@@snoofayy6150 Well aware how a bypass valve works... The pressure differential at which the bypass valve opens depends on both the strength of the spring & the style of valve. If it doesn't open soon enough, a smaller engine's oil pump may not provide enough pressure to overcome the clogged filter & starve the engine by running at a lower pressure. I was asking if there was a way to MEASURE this pressure without having to build a setup like the "Brand Ranks" channel uses.
@@bluecranium good stuff man, my bad for misreading your question 😅
the speed at which a bypass valve can open is another thing to think about yeah! I never actually considered that
Did you see the gaps at the folds?
Yes, but all these Toyotal filters are made this way.
Pleats not glued. At outter side. Tests show a lot more particulates get thru! Hmm my oil showed micro sparcles in sun. Puroone nowadayz! Lol
Looks like Fram garbage
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Look like nice filters. I'd use them. If the filter is on the bottom of the engine, like all my compact cars, I wouldn't use the longer filter. Sticking out a couple of inches lower is just asking for road damage. Hit a pot hole ot speed bump, might sheer off your filter.
The Corolla engines all use sideways mounting for the filters.
@@robertweinmann9408 ...no, not "all"......1998 and later 4A-FE and 7A-FE used in Corolla's have vertical filters, ....as do many other models.
If there is room for the oversize filter, there's no down side for using oversize filters.
I don't understand why there are no end plates. Seems like a lot of oil would bypass the media like that.
They both should have 1bar valve so i guess its safe to use bigger one
Good morning Pete, Cool video ! I know my Friday morning is getting complete with viewing your videos every Friday. Take care and hope you have a good weekend my friend. 😊☕☕
Thank You, Have a good weekend also👍
The PROPER taller version of 90915 -YZZN1 ... is .... 90915 - YZZF1.....the D3 you are opting for is too big in diameter to seat properly.
Warren, who sent me the oil filters, said he used them in his vehicle. Thank You!
They both OEM Toyota filter use the bigger one.
However, the proper bigger one is F1 model compared t N1.....same diameter, only F1 is a bit taller. D-series is larger in diameter.
Using a larger filter has to do a better job with filtration.
Can you use any of them in same car ? Thank you .
my daughters honda civic uses a bigger filter in length than the subaru legacy my son has i'd love to just use the longer filter on the legacy but then it would be coming down closer to the exhaust pipe y probably why they made the filter shorter on a bigger engine car I wonder if it is some epa nonsense to use as little oil in the filters as possible so people are not throwing away a lot of oil with filter.
Hmm, I never thought of that.👍
I often wonder about larger filters. Oil pressure difference? If I owned an older Toyota vehicle, I'd chance it. But why did they go to smaller. Costs? I own a 1.8 Toyota & figure there's a reason. Great video! 👍🇺🇸
Thanks to Warren! 😃👍
Baseplate, pre-lubricated O-ring: top! Double filter area: too!
But no end-caps? How should that seal perfectly without a "short-circuit" in bypassing the filter media? 🤦♂️ Toyota, why? 🤷♂️
Cheap that's why
The inlet hole size, shape, or number that are in the base plate conversations make me laugh. Case in point. Just watched the three AC filter video with the different years of production. Your comment that the filter with 13 holes would flow better. How? I have watched for a long time, and nobody is calling anybody on this. There is only so much oil that can flow into and out of the filter. The filter screws onto the inlet pipe. What is the inside diameter of that pipe? As long as the material drilled out of the base plate to create the holes exceeds the inside diameter of the pipe the filter screws onto will be the flow rate. If a filter has 6,8, or 13 round, oval, or elongated holes does not matter. It is simple hydraulics and restrictions. First restriction is the anti-drain back valve. The oil coming in hits it, has to make a 90 degree turn and is deflected towards the side of the can, filling the void, before it can start going through the filter media. Then the restriction of the center core is next before oil can flow into the center hollow area of the filter. Up to this point the volume of oil is allowed to run at a higher volume this one time, then it is forced to go into it inside diameter of the pipe that the filter is screwed onto. From that point flow is dictated by how much oil can flow through the inside diameter of that pipe The filter I am looking at has 6 15/64th holes. My filter screws onto the threaded pipe that has an inside diameter of 36/64ths. Do you need two more 15/64th hole so it will flow better? No. The 6 15/64th inlet holes exceeds what can flow into the 36/64th inch diameter pipe. Granted the more holes you have only reduces what has to pass through six holes. Still with addition of more holes in the base plate round or oval/elongated does not make the filter flow better.
When comparing two oil filters, each filter having the same components but one has more inlet holes (the same diameter inlet holes), I'll take the one with more inlet holes every time. Have a good day.
Ok take the one with more holes. Telling your viewers you would do that is fine. Telling them it flows better because it has more holes is what you said. You know that is not true.
@@CharlesR.SteinruckIII I don't think that it's not true. I think most of the time it is true. More inlet holes are better in my opinion.
Yeah but they still don't have end caps which hinders filtering efficiency. I'll still chose a quality wix over this OEM garbage
@@EverydayJ1786 Cartridge filters don't have end caps.🤔🇺🇸
Filter comparison videos are amateurish and misleading because the never inform the viewer that a tiny filter like the toyota N1 can still enable a Toyota engine to last 1,000,000 miles.
Much a do about nothing
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