John Deere 318 with a Failing Onan engine, will it run?
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- this is the 3rd video on this john deere 318 that had been given to us by a subscriber so we can video it getting fixed, in this chapter we find the engine to have more damage then expected, so lets see if we can fix it and if it will still run after putting it back together.special thanks to charlie for hooking us up with the snow blower and plow setup.
you are one of the better youtubers in my opinion. i dont hear like and subscribe from you every 2 seconds (although that would make a funny imitation). your wholesome and you teach stuff i can use. not like other youtubers that say something needs a fix and than turns the camera off. thank you
Talan Peterson way to call me out... lol. I don’t have a camera and tripod I use my cell phone.
@@enginesandoutdoors3238 better than what i had. i used a phone with the worlds worst camera and it was so bad i had to delete my videos
Talan Peterson even though I can record decent videos I still just say, “now I’m going to clean the carburetor” and skip taking it off and apart.
When your videos are good you don't have to beg.
My thoughts exactly, Talan
Nice work straightening the valve stem. I appreciate you showing us “real world” fixes instead of just throwing money at it and buying new parts. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and time.
Buying a new valve would have been better though. Who knows if it's gonna break and possibly cause more damage later on. Or at least not seal right.
EbonyPope yeah and following that logic just buy a new engine and again one better just buy a new tractor 🚜
@@Alxjeffs Don't be ridiculous. Everything else was working fine. The Valve showed clear damage of overheating unlike the rest of the engine. It's safer to replace it.
@@Alxjeffs Some people's time is actually worth a *lot* more than the opportunity cost of fixing a decades old valve. Believe it or not...
Have seen far too many do that.. throw money at it with a load of new parts, rather than fixing what they have in front of them or running with it as it is. I believe part of the problem, is not everyone has the knowledge nor the patience to fix/repair something.
I was a little sad when you moved into your new shop, now a few weeks later, I'm already fully acclimatised. A good lesson to not get too attached to things that are not important.
I had the same feeling about him leaving the old garage. Now I don't think about it because the new place has so much potential for larger projects.
I still miss the home shop, but it felt like we got more out of the new shop since he can't walk 20 feet and relax at home. Although I'm mostly protecting my own laziness.
I've been watching this channel religiously lately, my father in law is paraplegic and to get him out and doing stuff we fix up any old mowers and trimmers this channel has helped me a lot cheers mate
That engine sounds really smooth now. You have a really good way of explaining issues with a broken or out of adjustment part. You have good teaching skills.
What you were describing to do with the valve seats is called staking the seats. Something us old timers did a lot, to retain the seats in position. That Deere is going to be like new, when you finish! Great content, Darren, you're the only channel in this category that I subscribe to.
Take this restoration all the way mustie they dont build machines likes this anymore and its a beautiful tractor. Plus you have the attachments for it to restore, please fix it all up it deserves it. Thank you for your hardwork sir.
mad max - Yes you are right, they do not build them like they used too. One day I will work on an old Craftsman I have with an Onan.
There could Be a reason they Dont Build Em Like This.
If they built them to last, then they would build themselves out of work.
It is called designed obsolescence.
What started out as basically an inspection turned into a deep service...
Sounds a lot better does that...🇬🇧👍
Another great teaching video, thanks so much these videos have taught me so much, and saved me many dollars
Keep the videos coming Mustie 1.... Steve. A.
Rewarded for your patience and thorough checkup on this engine, sounds great! What a way to balance a serene New Hampshire scene with an Old Man Puttering sign. Another best!!
what makes Mustie unique is when he applies a fix to a perplexing problem that most of us would struggle or give up on....and makes it look so simple in the end...amazing..one of the best i have ever known or watched..
Cracking job my friend, sounds sweet. Can't wait to see it all back together again, then the refurbishment of the plough before the final assembly. Brilliant video, best channel on TH-cam.
Hands down, best on you tube!
Most likely you won't see this comment, but I just wan't to thank you for inspiring me to get back into repairing old lawn tractors. I had a lot of fun today showing my 6 year old grandson some of the old Sears Suburban tractors I've brought back to life. Thanks for the great videos, I always learn something new!
This series on the 318 has been one of your best, if not thee best. Can’t wait to see her fully assembled. Thanks, as always, for your time and effort in creating another excellent video.
Excellent series on the John Deere. I'm past the age of tinkering on engines, but I sure wish your channel had been around when I was. Very educational and your never fail to teach me something new.
Mustie, You put a lot of hard work into these old machines and in the end you have a nice usable piece of equipment. AWESOME!
Reminisce when I was in high school 1981 in small engine class. I wanted to be an auto mechanic or diesel tech. Thank you. you bring back old memories that we all miss. Only work on Bridges Stratton 3.5 hp tearing down put back together over & over.
Welcome to the wonderful world of Onan. Sold to McGraw Edison around 1970 and then to Cummins. Your engine is either a B43 or B48, both based off the CCk series. I've worked on too many Onans to count. Yes, parts are getting scarce and $$$$ and will only get worse as times go by. The CCK series is mostly indestructible as they have cast iron blocks and a far better bearing system than the B40-series. B&S twins and these B-series engines share the same flaws, poor cooling flow and overheating. The B&S are worse with popping valve seats and after literally half a dozen tries punching in seats, we finally said "Uncle" and installed a Vanguard on a Woods zero turn.
What great series and your explanations are clear and concise and top for YT.
10/4 on the Vanguards. I've got a 19.5 that is a SWEETHEART!
That's a performer, not a BF or BG.
OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!! Fun times in Mustie1's Garage!!!!!!!! Brings back old memories. Can't wait for the snow plow resurrection! Chains and a cab! Yeah, a cab! Build a cab to keep your feet and hands warm.
Way more than I could have don in the back yard it is really grate to see it running so good glade I gave to you have done it right Dan
cayuse 1234 it's going to look really good with that snow plough on it how's your new one behaving??
Hey cayuse1234 thank you for donating the unit to mustie1. Everyone that watches gets something from the work Dan dose and a little of that is due your way too.
Again thanks, it turned into an interesting project.
very well I need it for the manure pile up back and it dose a grate job on the paddock out back
cayuse 1234 I hope it serves you well for years to come just give it what it needs when it needs it and you will be fine best wishes from scotland
So you're the original owner of this tractor. Mustie sure did a good job getting it all nice and cleaned up. You'd think it was brand new again.
Thank you Mustie, for the pleasant relief you provide from the constant deluge of political and social storm front. Im in central florida, and right now we're waiting for hurricane Dorian to decide if it's going to kick our but t, or give us a pass. You provide a wonderful distraction, full of humor, useful info, and relaxing mechanical problem solving. Thank you for providing a stress free "safe place"!
Congrats on the new digs, I am a subscriber, and happy to be so!
As usual just going to bed in Australia, but now I can sleep easy tonight after worrying about those lost Valve Caps all week!
no thats funny!
All is well mate
I'm in Aus too and lovin this video about the Onan engine. The very expensive Toro ride ons sold locally in the 90's had these engines. Great to restore but not much knowledge locally.
Also he pronounced aluminium wrong haha
@@frankvartuli3697 It depends on where you live. In N America it's pronounced the way Darren did.
Nice work! It's really purring now!
I cooked my John Deere mower several years ago. Was almost finished mowing and it came to a halt after about five seconds of horrible screeching. I opened the lid and found the screen on top of the engine completely clogged with cottonwood fuzz, which had been flying around in copious quantities all day. Lesson learned, the hard way of course.
Love Sunday morning shop class with Mustie1. Thanks for the lessons complete with precision hammer taps.
The JD 318 was a beast of a machine / mower. Had one for years! Sold it to buy a JD 455 I've had it the last 20 odd year. O and I agree with the others here,You are Excellent at what you do. I've learned many things from you over the years watching you on here. Thank You!
I've had a 22 hp Briggs and Stratton OHV seize the intake valves at start up after I used old gas that was stored in a metal gas can. Engine ran fine until I tried starting after it had cooled down. Varnish built up around the intake valve guide which held the valve in place. This bent the intake pushrod on one cylinder. Much effort was required to free the valve so it had easy movement. Wonder if something similar happened on your engine? Your engine doesn't use pushrods but restricted valve movement may have contributed to cap falling off.
I am a power equipment mechanic with 35+ years of exp and that was one of the first things that came to mind, seen many small engines in the past have that happen. Don't know if it is as bad now with the newer fuels though.
Wouldn't be a complete Sunday morning without a Mustie1 video. Great job on this one. It's one thing to rebuild a Brigs or something that you can just order a slew of brand new replacement parts for but an entirely different thing to have to make due with what you have and have to repair or refurbish the parts you have because replacements are not an option. That's what makes the difference between a true master and just a parts changer.
Parts are still readily available for the Onan Performer series engines, just not cheap....
Pat on the back time Mustie , another superb save from one of the best you tubers around , thanks for the great content she's purring nicely now!!
AWESOME !
Tip - the witness mark from the lapping process is all that's needed for determining contact on the valves - no marker required.
I've been porting and rebuilding heads for 25 years. : )
The marker just makes it easier to determine. Especially for older folks.
Nice way to start my Sunday. A cup of coffee, a couple eggs, some bacon and toast, and a new Mustie video. Thanks for these always a pleasure to watch and perhaps learn something.
Same here
Just coffee and Mustie1 for me
Look forward to my coffee on my porch and a fresh ,Mustie video every sunday morning!
Those old Onan engines are hard to kill, kinda like the old cast iron Kohlers that I love so much. My uncle recently had me go through the 318 that he bought brand new. He's used and abused it for 30 years or better. It's his lawn mower, roto tiller and snow blower. Other than normal maintenance, the only things it needed were a carb rebuild and a few cracks in the deck welded. He was thinking about buying a new tractor, but, can't be happier now that the "mean green mowin machine" is running, mowing and tilling properly again. My 70+ year old uncle is also looking forward to winter...he can't wait to get into his Carharrts and do battle with the snow (after his 51 year old nephew installs the snowblower and tire chains of course) lol!
“Let’s just clean it up and see if we can get it running”. Well that went off the rails pretty severely lol
Kinda like "let's get the seat put on" that led us to where we are now!
John, 'cleaning it up', can be a bit subjective.
morelike OUTA SIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A long time since I last seen someone grinding valves! I remember watching my dad teach my brother this skill years before his apprenticeship with ford. A skill no doubt invaluable in his progress to him becoming a master technician all these years later.
That has to be one of the smoothest 2cyl engines that I've heard yet. Seriously some next level stuff Mustie. Thanks for postin'!
Had an opposed 2-cyl Briggs in the eighties that pretty smoothly.
Wow, she sounds so much better. Nice job with the cleaning and repaint while waiting for your gaskets. Looking forward to seeing and hearing her run and cut some grass and to see how the other attachments work out for it. Knowing you those will probably get a new paint job as well.
Hey Mustie1, you got space for a little paint booth in your new digs? Lookin at all those Deere skins, it might be handy. As always, great vid.🤙🤘🤙
Love the old Onan engines. We used them for garden tractor pulling for years. They have a distinctive sound to them.
This kind of backyard mechanicing I haven't seen in years, the one with a man a blow lamp and a hammer, fixing stuff.. the straightening of the valve stem and the compound on the valves, one of the things my dad, and my next door neighbor (he had an ancient petrol mower) used to get me to do as a kid.. (it teaches you patience, if nothing else)..
Sounds real sweet. A job well done! Love the clockwork camper at the end - made me smile.
Hey Mr M, I freely admit to being addicted to your channel, it's excellent! Dustin Hoffman in "Rain Man" said "I'm an exceelent driver", You sir are an excellent tutor. Many thanks for sharing, from an old Yorkshire "Geezer" in Ireland.
Nothing to add to all the positive comments below, but just in case it matters for the "ratings algorithm," throwing you some good vibes. Great as always.
That valve tip thing happened to a 16 horse Onan on my Miller welder. Went down to the crankcase. That’s how I knew that was your problem. It’s all fixed up now. Unfortunately, I also have a 20 horse Onan that I want to use for a log splitter. I’m not looking forward to tearing into that one. I love Onan motors but I hate working on ‘em.
Great video.
i so appreciate watching when something goes wrong, and seeing how you fix it. That's what we all run into -nice to hear your thinking, when that happens.
Quite simply THE best. Mustie1 has no equal. Loved his garage at home but that new place .......wow !
Yeah he’s alright.
I really admire your patience and attention to detail. My Dad drilled "attention to detail" in my head to the point where I'm almost obsessive.
you should contact norman from i save tractors. they are making all sorts of parts for the onan engine. 👍
Headers?INTAKES???????????? Carb swap kits?????????????
Why?
Yeah china junk ... onan parts were u go get the part for them .
My dad was a master armourer in the Canadian Army, one of his long serving armourers could straighten a bent gun barrel with wooden mallet and a few jigs that he made himself. For 3 weeks before hunting season all he did was true up guns..
The man said drum roll please! Ok....that’s better. Aaaaaaaaand the crowd goes WILD, nope nope. The crowd nods in expectant approval of another failing machine revived at the masterful hands of Mustie. You’re an inspiration. Your videos are fun, extremely educational, and now all I do is comb classifieds looking for castoffs wanting to emulate what you do.
You are great actor, I almost 😉 believed that engine was heavy.
I love how smooth that thing ran after you got done with it. Oh so very satisfying to bring it back. I'm not usually a cosmetics guy, but the quick paint job sure seemed worth it. It's going to look nearly new when you put it into service as the shop plow! Thanks for a great video Mustie1.
Hmm, a conversion to a two-cylinder diesel would have been awesome, but seeing this engine run again, that's just as good, love me an opposed-twin engine... :D
This was pretty great. I have joined the ranks of those who talk back to the video. You hit that valve stem once, and as the hammer went up for the second hit it was “Whoa, whoa, buddy you’re good you’re good!”...out loud. In my kitchen. Also laughed about “betcha THAT’s not in the owner’s manual!”. Nice work with the camera and editing too, think those are overlooked skills in these videos.
I do like the nature shots at the end. Just for grins, do you have any shots of a stream in the winter and same stream in the summer for a comparison?
Glad you got the engine diagnosed and fixed. Sounds very good now.
Dave.
How about right after the next Hurricane when that stream is still ragging.
Would love like a 10hr vid of that stream for skeeping great white noise stuff
One of the biggest things I can commend you on is looking for the cause. Finding the problem is a plus nowadays. Something about mechanical curiosity maybe. Kudos to you on your innate curiosity.
I would've loved to watch you clean and paint this mower!
Great work, it'll make a great tractor for you. Those old John Deere's were great. There's a reason when you find them that they fetch a pretty good price, they're built to actually last not fall apart after the first season like today's box store junk.
Well done! I love how excited you get when it works, lol.
You're a genius....great engine repair person.. Enjoyed watching you repair the engine. Learned a lot. I was so use to aircraft repair many year ago, trying to fix a lawn seemed tedious. You're such a hard worker. Thanks for making the video.
WOW! Sounds really nice now. Great work!
When I worked at the mower shop, we had to peen the exhaust valve seats on all of the new Briggs-powered mowers, before they were sold, because they would come out. Love your videos-thanks!
Thank you for the magnetism update!
I am impressed. Mustie1 has actually repainted and restoring the mower to look like new rather than oiling the rust in the frame and doing a patina finish on the body. My OCD wants stuff to look like new after I work on it. Lol
Using an extension on a torque wrench (no matter how long) does NOT affect the output torque. The torque you put in equals the torque coming out the other end. You will have to rotate the wrench further because of the elasticity of the metal, but as long as pressure is held for more than a very brief amount of time, the same torque comes out the other end. This does not apply to impact wrenches as they do not apply constant pressure.
One of the things that will change the intended output of your torque of your torque wrench would be the use of a crowsfoot or simular attachment which puts the bolt or nut off center of the output of the torque wrench
Mustie, I do believe you are heading into the world of restoration. Fantastic! Gone are the old VW days when the vehicle left the garage looking worse than it came in, albeit in a much sounder condition. I take back my words. Two great videos so far. All your videos are fantastic. Please excuse my ribbing!
Excellent work on that engine Mustie, it's a good thing you tore the engine down otherwise you wouldn't have caught those bent valves! Love your videos Mustie, keep up the great work!
10 minutes and a full page of comments....are we interested?!?!?!
Live long and prosper!
Hey Mustie 1! Cut the valve Lapeer in half and put it in a cordless drill and work an engine in minutes. A master mechanic at Uptown Motors in Hartford, WI taught me that. Thanks for the videos 👍
I've been waiting all night for this video! Time to make the Donuts!
Another fascinating, educational, enjoyable video, Thank you. It's great listening to *you* instead of what passes for music on so many channels. I've learnt pretty quickly that watching to the very end is a good idea; I wonder how many folks missed the owl, the clockwork VW and the "Old Man Puttering" sign.
Great content sir and a fun way learn stuff that I will probably never need to know.👌
Cheers for now,
Dougie.
Didn't you have back issues in the past? I was nervous watching you lift that engine.
Nice score on a 318, glad to see you're restoring it cosmetically too. Those are great tractors. Your videos are informative and entertaining, keep up the great work!
Thanks for the indepth video, tapping the valves back straight, and putting the home made screen in . Tips I can definitely use. Keep up the good work
I really have to wonder why anyone would thumbs down a Mustie 1 video?
real challenging this time. was great to see you stick to it and then run into other problems. thanks for the education you provide.
I love your videos. It makes me feel very peaceful. Thank you for inviting me into your garage(s). I have one question: Can I come help you lift some of the things you gotta lift??? Your already bad back is going to hurt a lot more! I wouldn't charge for lending another back to ruin!
Worst case scenario would be repowering this tractor with a Honda 20 horsepower V-twin.(they make complete repower kits for the 316-317-318 to change over to Honda power.
Naa he still has that kobota diesel he could have used to repower that deer with
@@wranglerdave6452 Too much money for maintenance for that,air cooled engines are very basic,no water pumps to fail,no hoses,thermostats,radiators,antifreeze to deal with either.
I had that choice when I bought my Deere,I could have bought the liquid cooled Kawasaki,but I opted for the air cooled Kawasaki,because it elemiates all of possible problems,not including antifreeze in the engine oil.
@@4gauge10 if you listen he said it was a option. If this engine couldn't be saved
@@wranglerdave6452 That's why I said..."WORST CASE SCENARIO"...as in plan"B".
This is so cool watching the process. Troubleshooting rocks, thanks for sharing your time
When are you going to build another bike Darren? Who want's to see Mustie build another bike?
ive seen very FEW things mustie couldnt resurrect. bro, your fans are in your corner rootin for ya
I can’t wait until every Sunday to sit down and watch a Mustie1 video with a hot cup of coffee , I love all your videos they are like a bubble bath for your brain
I'm happy to see this great machine back up and running like it is supposed to be! There is something about those Onans that just makes them sound so sweet when they run. This project has been one of my favorites to watch!
Not like you to paint stuff like that you feeling ok
Haha. I was expecting Mustie to just clean up the tractor with WD40 and call it done. I hoped he would make it look shiny with a fresh paint. Surprise surprise 😁
Love watching you wrench on engines. Learn a lot. Thanks.
Excellent video bro I really liked you running commentary on this engine. I am 65 and I learnt quite a bit
Congratulations! I love to see the good old equipment come back to life. I can't imagine how costly it would be to hire someone to do what you are doing. I understand why the owner donated the tractor to you. It would have been super expensive to fix if you could even someone willing to take on the work.
So glad you have the knowlege and the drive to teach us. And don't forget the funny comments i know you just want to see if we are paying attention.
Cummins purchased Onan, you can also go to a Cummins dealer and order parts, but it may cost you. I just purchased pistons and rods for old CCK from a Cummins dealer.
Would it therefore be possible to go to a Dodge dealer to send those parts in from Cummins, I wonder... 🤔
Morning with Mustie. The man with the fix for anything with wheels. Be amazed...
Excellent video. I have a 420 that is need of a refresh or replacement. Seeing some of the issues you are having with the Onan, it is making a repower more likely. Great work taking us through the entire process.
This is a great series. Really looking forward to the hydraulics and accessories.
Thanks for your videos.
Your a smart, talented, entertaining man. I’m glad I found you on you tube. All the best!
I never get tired of watching your videos and i have learned a lot from them thanks Mustie
I would have been afraid to straighten those valves like you did, thanks for broadening my horizon a little! Great video, I wish I could stumble across an old 318 like that.
Nice work, that mesh makes my butthole pucker though. I would think all the vibration on the engine might eventually push it up and out of the hole or down it, and interfere with something.
Best to epoxy screens like that in place. Pretty common in race motors, to keep debris from a valve train failure out of the bottom end.
Even drilling and tapping a small pin in front of or through would have worked
I have a similar old JD tractor in my shed. After seeing this I suppose I will have to try to fix it. Mustie makes it look so easy... TY for a great video!
Bent valves comes from running low quality oil in it and the reason why I run Amsoil O-W30 in my Deere.
Looks like that guy never changed his oil too. Super nasty internals
I agree entirely. I prefer using the John Deere plus 50 15w-40 grade (or similar) of oil in non Briggs and Stratton engines fitted on ride on mowers and walk behind mowers seems to be a better quality grade of oil.
@@bentullett6068 Way too thick of oil can lead to engine damage too,especially in the winter time when that 15W-40 turns into fudge taffy at -40 below zero,you want a thinner oil,not a thicker oil,this isn't my opinion either,it's a science fact.
Thinner oil flows much better,takes ALOT and I mean ALOT of unnecessary stress off of your starter,valves,plus it cools better too.
I've been running OW-30 Amsoil in the block of my John Deere's since 1999 and my valves aren't even discolored,they can be reboxed and sold for new engine parts they are so clean and perfect.
My oldest tractor is a LX-288 with 48"inch mower and has a 18hp.Briggs Vangaurd V-twin and right after break in on Deere Gaurd 10W-30,I switched over to Amsoil OW-30,instantly my fuel consumption went from about 1.7 gallons per hour,down to 1-gallon per hour exactly,thats 3-quarts per hour of fuel I'm saving,not to mention it also made this engine 12 db quieter on my SPL meter.(Sound Pressure Meter)
@@4gauge10 cheers for the advice. Not had many issues using the 15w-40 oil in the UK though.
@@bentullett6068 Well in your case,the oil is actually cools down when your running the engine in January then...HAHAHA!!(just kidding)
Seriously,give Amsoil a shot,your fuel consumption will drop quite a bit,especially if you have a generator.
Watching with your camera it is like I am standing right next to you and getting a close view of what you are working on. Funny last night I watched you doing the valves on that old engine you did last winter.
I was thinking some mesh in there and then you get the mesh out lol nice job as always. Thanks for bringing us along for the ride
Hey Mustie1, I've been watching your vids for a quite a while now and love them. I am a Tool and Die Maker/Mechanical Engineer for 55+ years now and you always sparked my interest!! Great Job. I hope from time to time you wouldn't mind any suggestions from an old fellow like me . For example, a great process for straightening a rod or bar of stock is to lay the piece on a flat plate with a rag between the plate and the rod and the bowed side up. Now take a brass hammer (Remember: Brass on hard material and Plastic on soft material) and strike the rod on the high spot of the bow. This while shock the molecules structure of the rod back into there original formation before it was bent. It may take a couple times, but it is a very safe way to straighten the rod with minimal structural damage without too much over bending. Hope you enjoyed my suggestion. I am looking forward for more stuff to watch. Keep up the good work with you videos. Marty
To me the most satisfying thing in this world is taking an engine with problems and fixing it. The sound of a healthy engine Is so satisfying once you have herd it run like shit
Hi Mustie another great video, takes me back lapping valves in, looking forward to the next instalment, ATB Wayne UK.