Hi Katarina, I am considering your vocal program but I am unsure for sure if it will help. I have had pain near the bottom of the throat (almost near where the clavicles meet) for 3 years when speaking. I have seen numerous doctors and no one has been able to diagnose any actual injuries. This issue started when I had laryngitis in December 2020. I recovered from the illness but my voice never fully recovered. I have had multiple laryngoscopies, taken acid medicine, changed my diet, lost 20 lbs, had an endoscopy, did vocal therapy for 4 weeks, had a laryngeal steroid shot, and nothing has worked. The only doctor to diagnose any finding was my allergist, who noted I had many allergies but he couldnt attribute those to be the cause of my hoarse, sometimes phlegmy painful voice and throat. I am out of options other than to try alternative medicine 😢
As you can see, my approach to chronic vocal pain is different. Most chronic pain is learned pain and there is actually no "injury" behind the pain. It's the way how our brain interprets signals from the body, including normal signals as pain. Here is a free resource about pain so that you can learn more about my approach to it: www.vocalfreedomsystem.com/pain And here is another video in which I talk about vocal pain: th-cam.com/video/xOF5QS9KcDI/w-d-xo.html
I lost my voice after thyrodectomy . Pain, horse voice , tension , dry throat , hard time breathing while talking , I have all of these already for 3 months and I am a teacher and need to talk to students. Please help!
I am very sorry to hear that you are dealing with serious voice issues. Surgeries in the neck, like the one you went through, can cause voice issues. I suggest that you speak to a laryngologist and see what suggestions they have.
I'm with familiar the mind-body connection and how pain can be learned. But if my pain is not real, in the sense that my throat hurts because of tension or inefficient use of my throat muscles, then why does something like a cough drop help?
I am not quite understanding why you would expect cough drops help. I never said that the pain is not real. It is very real. Believe me, I experienced learned pain and it hurts very much. And I also never said that there is no tension or innefficient voice use. For many people with muscle tension related voice issues, muscle tension is misinterpreted like pain. I hope I am making myself more clear.
@@healthyvoicetips I meant "real" in the sense of caused by something physical, rather than just being purely psychological e.g., getting hit in the arm vs "it hurts when I move my arm like this" (because I associate pain with moving your arm like this). I'm still not clear as to how I differentiate between (1) my throat hurting because I'm using my throat muscles wrong and (2) my throat hurting because I've associated pain with talking, even if nothing physical is going on.
Having struggled with vocal pain for many years, often severe and debilitating, I've struggled with the same questions. I think the answer is that it's not easy to pick these things apart. Even to say it's physical or psychological doesn't really help as it's all part of the same system. I know my pain is a learned behaviour, that the habits of speaking lead to extreme tending of all the wrong muscles. I also know my brain has remembered pain and is firing off false alarms. Once even a tiny bit of pain begins from speaking, I quickly spiral into more pain, partly due to fear and creating more danger signals, and also trying to 'get around' the pain by any means necessary, probably contracting muscles even more. The pain is completely real even if it's caused by the brain. I haven't yet found the answers. I believe it's a mixture of the mind body approach and re training the bad vocal habits we've developed as a result of pain or otherwise
@@melikewatchstuff Thank you for your reply. I appreciate hearing your thoughts on that. I've been dealing with MTD/pain for almost 20 years now. Still trying to figure it out.
@@chrisc414 I'm sorry to hear that, it also worries me slightly as it's been 8 years for me and I can't really work out why it's such slow progress. I do believe the main part for me is emotional/psychosomatic, but that doesn't make it any easier to deal with I hope you find your way
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Hi Katarina, I am considering your vocal program but I am unsure for sure if it will help. I have had pain near the bottom of the throat (almost near where the clavicles meet) for 3 years when speaking.
I have seen numerous doctors and no one has been able to diagnose any actual injuries. This issue started when I had laryngitis in December 2020. I recovered from the illness but my voice never fully recovered.
I have had multiple laryngoscopies, taken acid medicine, changed my diet, lost 20 lbs, had an endoscopy, did vocal therapy for 4 weeks, had a laryngeal steroid shot, and nothing has worked. The only doctor to diagnose any finding was my allergist, who noted I had many allergies but he couldnt attribute those to be the cause of my hoarse, sometimes phlegmy painful voice and throat. I am out of options other than to try alternative medicine 😢
As you can see, my approach to chronic vocal pain is different. Most chronic pain is learned pain and there is actually no "injury" behind the pain. It's the way how our brain interprets signals from the body, including normal signals as pain. Here is a free resource about pain so that you can learn more about my approach to it: www.vocalfreedomsystem.com/pain
And here is another video in which I talk about vocal pain: th-cam.com/video/xOF5QS9KcDI/w-d-xo.html
@@healthyvoicetips thank u. I will discuss with my doctors.
I lost my voice after thyrodectomy . Pain, horse voice , tension , dry throat , hard time breathing while talking , I have all of these already for 3 months and I am a teacher and need to talk to students. Please help!
I am very sorry to hear that you are dealing with serious voice issues. Surgeries in the neck, like the one you went through, can cause voice issues. I suggest that you speak to a laryngologist and see what suggestions they have.
I'm with familiar the mind-body connection and how pain can be learned. But if my pain is not real, in the sense that my throat hurts because of tension or inefficient use of my throat muscles, then why does something like a cough drop help?
I am not quite understanding why you would expect cough drops help. I never said that the pain is not real. It is very real. Believe me, I experienced learned pain and it hurts very much. And I also never said that there is no tension or innefficient voice use. For many people with muscle tension related voice issues, muscle tension is misinterpreted like pain. I hope I am making myself more clear.
@@healthyvoicetips I meant "real" in the sense of caused by something physical, rather than just being purely psychological e.g., getting hit in the arm vs "it hurts when I move my arm like this" (because I associate pain with moving your arm like this).
I'm still not clear as to how I differentiate between (1) my throat hurting because I'm using my throat muscles wrong and (2) my throat hurting because I've associated pain with talking, even if nothing physical is going on.
Having struggled with vocal pain for many years, often severe and debilitating, I've struggled with the same questions. I think the answer is that it's not easy to pick these things apart. Even to say it's physical or psychological doesn't really help as it's all part of the same system.
I know my pain is a learned behaviour, that the habits of speaking lead to extreme tending of all the wrong muscles. I also know my brain has remembered pain and is firing off false alarms. Once even a tiny bit of pain begins from speaking, I quickly spiral into more pain, partly due to fear and creating more danger signals, and also trying to 'get around' the pain by any means necessary, probably contracting muscles even more.
The pain is completely real even if it's caused by the brain.
I haven't yet found the answers. I believe it's a mixture of the mind body approach and re training the bad vocal habits we've developed as a result of pain or otherwise
@@melikewatchstuff Thank you for your reply. I appreciate hearing your thoughts on that. I've been dealing with MTD/pain for almost 20 years now. Still trying to figure it out.
@@chrisc414 I'm sorry to hear that, it also worries me slightly as it's been 8 years for me and I can't really work out why it's such slow progress. I do believe the main part for me is emotional/psychosomatic, but that doesn't make it any easier to deal with
I hope you find your way