Hello i work in private security with high profile clients often in luxury resorts, if you have to chose one martial art to defend yourself you better chose one who include the use of weapons because you know, we're not cavemen anymore and your wrestling isn't gonna cut it against a knife but your throat will quickly have a metallic taste.
As a wrestler I think we get over estimated a lot. We are great in 1 on 1 match ups of people the same size as us. In self defense, those variables are not in our control. Jeff chan said it best, having wrestling for self defense makes you better IF you already have the fundementals to strike.
Aa another wrestler, I agree. I'm 14-15y/o, and even though I've been doing wrestling for over a year and have made impressive improvements, but it's not like I'm going to be able to pick any fight I want on the streets, even if I have a chance with winning. It's better to have different martial arts under your belt for self defense
Such is true for any martial art that teaches unarmed fighting for "self-defense". There is no perfect art to learn to become proficient in every single possible "self-defense" scenario. It's an incredibly wide variety of skills needed that include more than just unarmed fighting techniques. Rokas's USDC should have made that abundantly clear.
@@BucketHeadTK man, most young wrestlers get an attitude early on. I know I did when I was your age. Stay humble, your humility will lead you good places
@NotoriousDaddle I can assure you, arrogance and I are not familiar with each other. If anything, I'm more humbled wrestling people of different backgrounds than when I was not wrestling at all. Appreciate the reminder though 🫡
I think the key here is what Jeff Chang said. "Assuming the wrestler has some boxing fundamentals". I don't think you can throw striking out the window
You can't throw it out the window 100% but I can say, even a wrestler w ZERO striking is just waiting for a limb to grab, whether it's an arm, or a leg, or just eating a few strikes to get in grabbing range As a striker, u still have to know how to deal w them. It's not as simple as "oh ill just outbox him"
@@cloudmaster182 it's unlikely that someone will last even a few hits in an street altercation. Even boxers who think they can just block a punch are on for a surprise. I believe you are trying to make the point that wrestling is incredibly effective/dangerous to which I agree, but it has a place and a time
@MarcosAG90 I've been in a streetfight and literally used this strategy to get in and take the guy down, before I had any striking training I ate like 5 shots, had some cuts and a bruise under.my right eye, but I took him down and got on top and landed a few times myself before it got broken up. You overestimate how good people are at punching and underestimate how strong a human skull is. Pretty much every high school in America has a wrestling program and trained wrestlers are way more common than trained boxers
Wrestling is important for both grapplers and strikers because if your a striker you don’t wanna go on the ground where as if your a grappler you want to take people down.
What's the difference between grappling and wrestling?!? I've been trying to figure this out for hours now. But best I've gotten is "they're essentially the same thing. But slightly different." None of my searching is bringing up anything! Could you help me out? I'm a complete novice here.
@@rainynight02 The wrestling part is when someone goes for a "takedown" which would be a Double leg or Single leg once on the ground it's heavy top pressure woth goal to pin both shoulders on the mat and to keep yours off. So wrestlers are good at getting back up. BJJ gives the ability to fight off your back so BJJ guys tend lay on their back BJJ is the "submission" or chokes such as the Rear naked choke and joint locks such as armsbars and knee bars Wresting gives you the ability to take the fight to the ground, and BJJ helps you finish it there
@@rainynight02Wrestling is part of grappling but usually classified as its own thing. Grappling is a catch all term for Wrestling, Judo, BJJ, Catch etc, but ppl mostly use it to describe BJJ players
Hello i work in private security with high profile clients often in luxury resorts, if you have to chose one martial art to defend yourself you better chose one who include the use of weapons because you know, we're not cavemen anymore and your wrestling isn't gonna cut it against a knife but your throat will quickly have a metallic taste.
I agree as well. I used to practice Judo and one time we had a sparring training with some dudes of wrestling. It was one of the most challenging and satisfied trainings I ever had, wrestlers have a great development to adapt on many circumstances what's make them very good opponents
Oh yes, used to do Judo and a little bit of jiujitsu for a year or two with my dad who hasn’t done jiujitsu for that long, (about a year, give or take. He’s also done judo for a couple of years but i’ve mostly done BJJ with him and mostly trained judo in a club.) i’ve just turned 17, whenever i ”spar” with this guy, who is two years younger than me and has done wrestling for a year, i get absolutely obliterated. It’s fun and i definetly can learn ALOT from him. Also he has an athletic background since he was a kid, and i was always the fat kid so he has alot more strength than me but i’m physically way bigger than him. A very humbling experience to get destroyed by a guy two years younger whos 40 pounds lighter than me. But god do i love the humbling aspect because that is what many people, especially my age lack and i dont want to be one of those.
It sounds like you simply had not been trained properly... And yes I'm a seasoned combat instructor and the realities of combat seems to be removed from the realities of realistic combat... No dis intended!!!
You have to be DIVERSE in what ever SYSTEM you have chosen to participate in so that your systematically able to comprehend the opposition in the face of any reality Combat situations... If your only training for sport you are wasting your time because the reality is your not going to truly learn anything enough to be truly effective except against others who are like yourself...
The thing with wrestling is it’s incredible if you’re bigger and stronger, it’s great if you’re the same size, it starts to not work out so well if they’re bigger and or in better shape than you. That’s just what I’ve noticed after training with quite a few wrestlers over the years.
I disagree. When it comes to hold downs and pins, size is definitely more of a factor, but I have an easier time taking down big guys in my gym because I'm so much faster than them. Just stay away from double legs and high crotches or anything else that can get sprawled on. Duck unders are super hard to beat when your opponent is a lot faster than you.
Hello i work in private security with high profile clients often in luxury resorts, if you have to chose one martial art to defend yourself you better chose one who include the use of weapons because you know, we're not cavemen anymore and your wrestling isn't gonna cut it against a knife but your throat will quickly have a metallic taste.
@altaydogahan342 a 135lb older man vs a 230lb thug would have a better chance at oblique kicking from a distance as oppose to trying to wrestle & getting slammed on concrete. I have grappled awhile & 100lb difference isn’t nearly as important in striking as grappling
Imo I think Judo might be more practical for self defence than wrestling. 1) It teaches you to strip grips from clothing. Which is so important for defending yourself and it's very difficult. If someone grabs your wrist or a collar tie you can get that off with ease, but if they grab your clothes they suddenly have a very powerful grasp of you that you can't remove if you don't have the reps. 2) Avoiding the ground. Wrestlers instinct is to go down and control. But irl that can be dangerous. Multiple attackers obviously but you never know what the ground is like, might be covered in broken glass or even used needles in some places. Judo teaches you how to throw ppl hard to the ground which staying standing. 3) Groundwork. While not ideal you might end up on the ground and judo does at least teach some ground game. Wrestling you get into top and ground and pound but a quick snap or strangle is sometimes better. 4) I live in Europe. Unless I'm in Dagestan people probably aren't gonna double leg me. So knowing wrestling defense isn't as important. BUT adding a sprawl into your arsenal isn't as hard as learning at the judo stuff. Anyway that's my thoughts on it.
In real self defense always avoid the ground no matter what, good points! I’m an mma fighter but jiu jitsu is what I specialize in, and unfortunately in a real situation it’s only a last resort. Occasionally in mma I will manage to snag a kimura or something from guard but you shouldn’t allow yourself to be in guard in the first place. I’ve seen a kid grab an amazing rnc on somebody attacking him and another kid just stomped on his head. The kids jiu jitsu was solid but one head stomp and he’s done now, pretty sure he died. Don’t end up on the ground 1 v 1 with someone who knows jiu jitsu, but otherwise staying up is the number 1 key.
We’ve had patients come into our Emergency Department basically DOA (dead on arrival) due to be a recipient of a double leg in a street fight & they cracked the back of their dome (struck the back of their head) Youngest I witnessed was 15 year old victim
We’ve had patients come into our Emergency Department basically DOA (dead on arrival) due to be a recipient of a double leg in a street fight & they cracked the back of their dome (struck the back of their head) Youngest I witnessed was 15 year old victim
a boxing base is important for self defense, but wrestling is more important. if you hit a person in the face with your bare hands the risk of breaking your hand is high, if the attacker is much taller than you you won't even be able to hit him in the face, furthermore not all people feel "pain" or are knocked out when they get hit in the face. managing distance is a relative thing because if you are a boxer and you find yourself with an attacker in an elevator or a narrow corridor where you can't throw your punches at maximum power, what do you do? there are too many variables in personal defense, boxing alone cannot solve everything, you must also have a solid if not excellent wrestling base.
yeah and a lot of people neglect the takedown defense you get it from it like it if you’re getting jumped and someone tries to get you down on the ground you can stay off it
Hello i work in private security with high profile clients often in luxury resorts, if you have to chose one martial art to defend yourself you better chose one who include the use of weapons because you know, we're not cavemen anymore and your wrestling isn't gonna cut it against a knife but your throat will quickly have a metallic taste.
@@williamm4366my thought exactly. ya wrestling buddy finna get stabbed. Judo is what you want. I want my enemy on the ground and me standing over him. Period
As a middling martial artist I would rather fight a pretty crappy boxer than a rather crappy wrestler. I think the wrestler has a way higher chance to be physicly superior and to deny me any way to win. A decent practioner of ANY martial art that has actuall sparring would probably just wreck me tho, unless my own crappy grappling miracolously saves me 😅
I think people highly underestimate muay thai for self defense not just because of the striking. If you ever clinch with a thai. They can manhandle you just like a wrestler
Hello i work in private security with high profile clients often in luxury resorts, if you have to chose one martial art to defend yourself you better chose one who include the use of weapons because you know, we're not cavemen anymore and your wrestling isn't gonna cut it against a knife but your throat will quickly have a metallic taste.
@@williamm4366in theory yes, but in practice no martial art will teach you how to dedend yourself effectively from a weapon. All that krav maga bullsht will be completely useless from the complete lack of sparring in their curriculum. Much better to resort to something actually useful that will at least have you coveres in hand to hand, such as MMA, BJJ, wrestling...
@@williamm4366 well sure. But 1. Not everyone has a weapon 2. I train for fun and health primarily Self defence is a secondary benifit. I am after all more likely to die from heart failure than knife violence.
As they hint, it’s likely mostly acting as a filter. Meaning, it’s not perhaps the best to bring out the best out of a random individual, but it may be only let the best persist and they will be skilled.
That's a good point, kind of a 'correlation does not equal causation' deal. Only the strongest & toughest survive years of wrestling, and anyone like that will be hard to deal with regardless of fighting skill.
Perhaps, but many novice wrestlers (ok high school wrestlers) are still pretty tough. It's the toughness of the training that helps most defeat many mental barriers.
Can't remember who said it but there's a quote along the lines of "the best martial art to know in a padded room is jiu jitsu, the best martial art to know on concrete is wrestling" I've been doing jiu jitsu for just over 4 years, I submit wrestlers in our gym 90% of the time, but I lose at least 90% of takedown battles. All the jiu jitsu in the world can't take away from the pain and damage a decent takedown into concrete can do.
Hello i work in private security with high profile clients often in luxury resorts, if you have to chose one martial art to defend yourself you better chose one who include the use of weapons because you know, we're not cavemen anymore and your wrestling isn't gonna cut it against a knife but your throat will quickly have a metallic taste.
@@williamm4366 cool man, I think in this case we're assuming hand to hand self defense. I carry a firearm on a regular basis. I've never been in a street fight and I never plan on being in a street fight, but if it ever happens and the other dude pulls a knife, I'm gonna pull a gun. This is assuming I can't exit or deescalate, of course. I train Muay Thai and jiu jitsu, but I don't train because of self defense, I train because it's fun. All that said, without knives or guns involved, I still think wrestling is a clear winner on a hard surface.
First guy who said "you cant submit" is wrong. Many wrestling techniques are just an inch away from being a submission or they are a submission with then intent of getting a pin. For example in wrestling a head and arm choke is used to get a pin, just dont let go of it and the guy goes to sleep, a saturday night special is not only humiliating but will also put you in massive pain. Old school neck crank hurts like a mother fer.
No. Submissions from real submission arts are much more technical. Some pin holds happen to be a choke but that doesn't mean the mechanics to finish a fight is taught. In fact freestyle was created by removing the submission element of Catch Wrestling mentioned in the video. Watch early UFC and you'll see no wrestlers would be able to finish a fight without GnP and sometimes RnC. Hence wrestlers without BJJ were considered boring for ages for their inability to finish a fight and going to a boring decision more than not.
@@thisfool89as someone who wrestles in BJJ and know way better wrestlers than myself doing BJJ they get caught in chokes all the time cause your neck and arms are out and some positions in wrestling are considered really weak when it comes to your opponent not punished for being on their back especially when hunting for any joint they can grab and rip don’t get mad about it be an open martial artist cause the wrestlers in Jiu Jitsu do better than your average Jiu Jitsu guy cause they can use that knowledge snd apply it to BJJ and it’s very affective but not affective at choking and especially defending your back being taken
Congrats on having ur head so far up ur ass. Ur just flat out wrong lmfao. If u try to submit ur opponent in wrestling u will literally get disqualified 😂
@ashtoncomer935 The guy in the video said wrestling dosent or cant do submission. I said he is wrong and that wresting does have submission they are just not used for the purpose of getting a submission vitory, they are used to force a person into a pin. Like seriously, what does anything you said have to do with that?
Which end fights faster in the streets? Jab, cross or take someone down to the concrete. Which one keeps situational awareness better and an ability to retreat. Not that catch wrestling Bjj isn't necessary as a preparedness to get back to your feet. The toll Bjj has taken on my body, the weight I have to gain to maintain competitiveness with larger training partners also. Bjj and catch wrestling develop great tendon strength, but to continually train, it takes a great toll on your body. Next time you're at class, watch older participants get up off the ground, and you will see what I'm talking about. I'm still a burpees fan, and if you're not training like this, cardio is very different. Bottom line practicality long term.
Every art that exists has its strengths and flaws, im bias towards wrestling as a wrestler myself, but since transitioning to MMA ive gotten up to my blue belt in BJJ, and i train a lot of muay thai and boxing, but i still almost always fall back to my grappeling
Wrestling is good but it honestly gets overhyped because there’s very few people that wrestle recreationally. The “wrestlers” these guys are talking about are kids that got put on the mats at 8 years old and wrestled up to or through college. Wrestling by itself is very rarely taught to adults who are just somewhat interested or trying to get into shape. A lot of mma schools might have “wrestling days” but a school that teaches just wrestling for adults is real rare.
I think jiu jitsu , wrestling, and kickboxing are the best when combined. Wrestlers make good jiujitsu players and striking with not only your hands but with your legs are key. Even better than kick boxing is Muaythai . Bo nickel is a wrestler and he dominated jiujitsu his first time just off of wrestling which is amazing. I’m more of a fan of jiu jitsu but I like to roll with college wrestlers because I learn a lot from them when it comes to pressure and it brings the dog out of me every roll .
I'd probably rank it as an A-. In regular freestyle and Greco, you don't have actual submissions, which is what Ken Shamrock experienced in UFC 2, and why he lost. Wrestling+boxing+submissions=great fighter
So many Olympic wrestlers have sucked in the ufc because they don’t know how to engage control afterwards. Kickboxing is meta rn. But wrestling combined with judo and some jiu jitsu have made some unstoppable goats.
As someone who's studying BJJ, the only reason why I took that instead of wrestling is because of the lack of submissions in wrestling. But even then Wrestling still is an A-tier martial art.
Basically any martial that is specialized in self defense and defense against weapons are the best (such as Krav Maga, Pencak Silat or Japanese JiuJitsu)
I think the silliest arguments against wrestling is eye pokes groin attacks and back of the head/neck stuff like come on lets live in reality no fiction that stuff doesn't stop takedowns and makes the guy more angry also i love that everyones other argument is weapons like boxing or karate or muay thai teach you how to deal with knives and guns also if you look at knife and weapons defense it's grappling it's basic wrestling 2 on 1s russian ties etc just methods of isolating and controlling the arm not art teaches this besides grappling also when you learn wrestling or bjj you leanr how to get out from worst possible spot in a fight if you are a striker and wnd up on bottom it's over
S: Track A: Judo B: Mauy Thai C: Wrestling D: Boxing E: BJJ Wrestling has same problem as BJJ it ends up with you on the floor getting kicked in the head.
The only problem I find with wrestling is the high physical cost of learning it. Which is why jujitsu is far more accessible to far more people, it is physically less demanding. wrestlers are impressive fuckers and we can’t all be that physically fit.
@@ArnasLeo definitely. If I had known when I was younger, what I know today, I would’ve taken wrestling, even if I was bad at it, and never got anywhere with it BJJ and kickboxing would’ve been so much easier if I had a wrestling background.
@@dylanryan3525 has nothing to do with how tough or weak I am. I’m 35 years old with a house a business and a family to run and maintain. I can’t dedicate 3 hours daily to exercise and put my body through the challenge. I have to get up at 5 am next morning and work for 10-12 hours a day. Wrestling is hell on the body. I’m not willing to sacrifice for a sport I’m not competing in. Priorities bud. It’s what adults are made of.
It has a great many uses that make it a very good supplementary style to add to increase your chance to land more when mixed with a style that does striking
@ArnasLeo definitely I agree, it is very good for teaching discipline, hard work, grit, mental toughness, good balance, good take downs, solid submissions, and my favorite efficient hand fighting which I like to use to open up better opportunities for my striking
In MMA , it's safe to say it's not s tier , becauae of time and rounds , in reality the guy on bottom is working way harder than the top guy is to get back or to a better position
Well you will not go far in anything in the street's enough to defend yourself on the street, unless you have only one opposition and even then it is not going to be easy... They are called street fighters for a "REASON"... So don't assume the street fighters can't fight and that they don't practice how to be successful in the realities of a confrontation...
Problem with Wrestling it’s a lot more physically oriented than Bjj and Judo, so if you’re facing someone taller or bigger then it’s harder to use. The former have techniques that are better for people who already aren’t already above average in athleticism.
Wrestling is also supported by the local School District. This not only provides support & equipment, the cost 💲 is exponentially reduced in comparison to ALL OTHER Combat Sports. I enrolled my Son @ the grand age of 7/Second Grade. Now soon the be 38 he routinely thanks me for putting him into Wrestling
What're we talking about? If it's a random street fight wrestling is great bec once a man picks you up and slams you on your back you don't want anymore. You realize you messed with the wrong person
Wrestling is very much a part of the grappling world but by itself is not enough, wrestlers come into my bjj school and get there back taken and choked often. They are the king of take downs and some super powered athletes though. Once they learn submissions and some striking they are gold. Bell curb is very small
One of the advantages of wrestling is that there is a lot of live training whereas in striking by necessity you can't go full tilt against a sparring partner as much, and sometimes boxing training can become a bit abstract if the athlete is not visualizing the opponent on bag work for example. However, a lot in all arts depends on the coaching.
@@user-nd6qv6ly3o lmao????!!! Do you thibn muai thai guys not use hands? we strike ppl with our knees and elbows acrosss the face once we get cloth but not hands?
@@bluejay4668 as a boxer I have to agree with you since I respect mua tai, i have alot of mua tai fighters in my boxing gym and its popular to do both, I do think though that wrestling and grapping is useless in street unless your going on the guy with no friends. Heres the thing guys "Sean Strickland", if you have friends with you then if he takes you down your friend is going to kick his face out. In a streetfight I think the most important thing to do is to avoid them and just hit them 1 2 times mabe they get knocked the fuck out who knows but still a 1 2 and then just walk away or run.
Wrestling and judo are S tier, there's no way around it, even if you know 2 martial arts, if you get a solid judoka you better be careful of your shit.
I wouldn’t say so, only for the one factor that you can’t use every move in it because you could possibly break your neck or head or at least bleed a little bit call Mom before everybody says they do next strength training. This is Captain obvious I know that. You don’t have to tell me that but I’m pretty sure if you were to slam yourself on concrete it’s different than slamming yourself on a Matt now if you were to incorporate like certain moves into wrestling on being able how to use them because I’ve seen wrestling work and street fights and they’re actually used way different than they are on the mat just for these valid reasons so yes, you can use it in the street the same way you can use any grappling art in the street that you can fine. It always just depends for me. I always tell people I think it’s better to have strikes as well with grapples cause if you have only strikes, and you have like a master grappler who knows how to evade punches he’s going to Grouch View he’s gonna throw you if you only have grapples, you’re gonna get struck by someone who doesn’t. So it’s always good to have the two.
Wrestling is fantastic the strength and conditioning side alone put up then you add tried and tested skills which mske for a great base to add things too whether that's a striking art like boxing or muay Thai or bjj its not a accident that many mma fighters have a base in wrestling
The original sport of wrestling did include submissions, as all of these grappling sports such as jiu-jitsu originated from it. The mindset and grind mentality alone is enough for you to win a fight, let alone actually know how to wrestle.
In a defense situation youre most likely smaller, wrestling is great for getting into good positions and taking some one down. But most people trying to kill you or harm you for something, theyll just bash your head in or kick your head in. Best for martial art self defence imo has to be boxing or bjj but gotta be pretty good in it
There are thousands of self defense methods way better than martial arts, a simple knife can make a bjj black belt dangerously useless, even club or rock can make Mike Tyson a defenseless. You got my point. I'm a bjj blue belt here in Brazil, but i know in today's world the use of martial arts as a self defense is something you should never rely thrust on. Never 100%. Be ahead, carry a gun, a pocket knife or even a flashlight. And yeah, running and driving skill can save you life way better.
All that gos out the window in a street fight with no rule the only rule would be to survive biting eye gouging nut shots all fair game so it would ultimately come down to who will is stronger who’s willing to take more and give more
Yeah, a wrestler that takes a free month of boxing and jiu jitsu is prepared for 99% of unarmed street fights. They can essentially teach themselves ground and pound and their tenacity gives them a huge edge. I'd go A+ for wrestling.
Wrestling you don't run the risk of damaging your hands from striking with the hands, and you don't half to pummel someone to a bloody pulp or risk killing some poor fool. The BJJ Wrestling mix, I think, would be best for self-defense.
The thing that sucks is you can't just go and learn wrestling. If you didn't do it in high-school or college you'll probably never have an opportunity to learn it.
The useful thing about wrestling is that it tackles the most primitive forms of fighting and movement. Basically to wrestle is what you would do if you were a caveman fighting off an animal or another human, at least holding your own while you find a way to finish it off or scare them away.
S tier is tempting, but my biggest issue with Wresting is there is still a lack of submissions when you look at it from a traditional sense. I think I'll go with A. Its still one of the best
@@coollibra3644 a wrestler isn't guaranteed to prevent a takedown from other grapplers. And honestly what the heck is a wrestler going to do against someone who knows submissions? Unless the wrestler knows submissions , he can only go so far in a fight.
@@zaiah9252 A wrestler will always dictate how the fight goes. I can tell you havent face a good wrestler. Most BJJ guys are not good at take downs from a wrestler. He does have to really submit you in a street fight. A few slams and the fight is over. Top position and few fist. Trust you get slammed on concrete. The fight will be over very fast. Yall BJJ guys are cocky for no reason.
@@coollibra3644 every good martial artist knows that nothing is guaranteed. Yes, Wrestlers are better at takedowns. No doubt about that. I'm humble enough to admit that. But most of the time when there is a takedown, the fight is still on. Yes, every now and then a takedown can end the fight. But you can't rely on that. That's like a boxer trying to rely on knockouts to win. Yeah sure knockouts aren't rare but their no guarantees. You can't rely on that. I haven't battled against many wrestlers, or people with wrestling techniques. But when I have, they didn't take me out with their takedowns. The right still kept going on and all they did was pin me. I'm not one of those BJJ guys. I'm always open to possibilities but from my experience most of the time, BJJ guys gain the upper hand with submissions. I know wrestlers who admitted that and even they learned submissions. A wrestler who learns submissions is a dangerous person.
I don't believe in martial arts that much for self defense in the streets cause where I live most people have guns and knives. Martial arts at this point is a great sport but trying to fight somebody is a sure way to get murdered. You either stay strapped or die trying to double leg or box somebody.
If you survive the first strikes thrown, wrestling and grappling are for sure the best self defense techniques there is if its just 1 attacker in my opinion... As soon as there are 2 attackers, you cant compete against 4 hands and 4 legs, you need to take those heads off their shoulders! I think that often people dont realise that most people havent gotten in (street)fights before, and giving them a strong jab is enough to rock or atleast phase someone who never felt a punch before! But... most of the time its the people who like to stir things up, that get into a fight and they probaly do it often.
I wouldn’t consider wrestling a martial art in the first place.. but in general every good martial arts teacher would tell you that the best self defense is escape technique!
Wrestling best fundamental if your doing mma but if a pure wrestler goes down with a pure jits guy then jits wins all day show that wrestler some submission attacks n defences then the jits guy will struggle perhaps even lose
Its not the best but its very good. Theres nearly no S tier. Combat sambo is the only S tier but good luck finding it anywhere. Otherwise S tier is finding an mma gym because youll learn how to blend striking and grappling. A tier is occuppied by Judo. A great focus on takedowns, takedown defense, top control, and even submissions. Many judo gyms teach a more traditional style with some striking and also self defense oriented techniques its just not all or maybe even half of them so its A. Wrestling and nearly everything else is B or below. Takedowns and top control are great but without striking or submissions its missing a key component to finish fights. Its worked for me a few times tho.
The Best self defense is usually to just run especially if it's not 1 on 1. Getting down on the ground if there is more than one attacker is simply stupid. You strike quick and get out. Punch, head butt, elbow, trip/sweep/judo throw and move. Getting top position or working your way to a submission on ground when co-attackers are surrounding you isn't an option. Even Jocko says this about self defense.
If someone has better wrestling than you and can strike your in for a fight scariest people are wrestlers that don’t like to wrestle they just defend clinch and takedowns and knock your teeth out
The best martial art for self-defense is an art that a) has punches and kicks, b) takedowns, c) groundwork. And, defense/countering of a-b-c. At its purest form, wrestling does not have a defense against punches and kicks. Just like kickboxing doesnt have defense against takedowns or groundwork.
@@wreckyface7620 sure why not. A street fight should never be taken to the ground in the first place. That’s why you should learn something like boxing. If you do get to the ground bjj is a better option as you can manipulate joints and you have ways to subdue or choke out the enemy. Wrestling is a really good foundation but there are better options. I appreciate you not attacking me for saying what I think.😅😅
@@DT.U yo no worries man, there's no need to be mean about personal opinions. I'm a judoka and i just started freestyle wrestling, and i pretty much agree with you, except the fact i think, and i hate to say this, wrestlers have better takedown skills than most judokas/bjj practicioners (am also training a little bit of bjj). And i value the takedown as the most important thing for a street fight since, if controlled, it will completely eliminate any legal problem and at the same it will put you in a much better position than your opponent. Also i don't truely believe the 'you don't go to the ground in a street fight because your opponent might have friends', because i think that IF he has friends you're done anyway, no matter if you go to the ground or not, i don't think the outcome against three dudes is gonna be much different if you stay on your feet or not.
@@wreckyface7620 for things like doubles singles high c’s yea but for takedowns has a hole it’s hard to say. Judo has a wide variety of throws and trips same with bjj. Wrestlers typically have better takedowns than most bjj guys. When it comes to throws and trips judo guys are better. For double legs and things like that wrestlers.
@@DT.U yeah ok, absolutely, but i meant takedown as the ability to bring someone to the ground, regardless if it is via throws or single and doubles. I think that in the whole wrestlers are generally better. But it's just my opinion
wrestling is not the best art for self defence but it’s useful because it allows you to deal with bigger guys when you’re backed into a corner, but you don’t wanna be using it much, in a street fight you want a gas tank and foot speed
one of the scariest guys i've ever sparred with was a wrestler. we're training multiple opponent scenarios, and he begins the match by picking up my ally and begins to man-handle them like they were a pair of human-nunchakus. dafuq do i do with that?
Look, if you are not a DIVERSE and a well rounded fighter regardless of the situation Your most likely going to be destroyed... So one cannot be ONE Dimensional and hope things go in their favor...
Wrestling strength sure helps!
Hello i work in private security with high profile clients often in luxury resorts, if you have to chose one martial art to defend yourself you better chose one who include the use of weapons because you know, we're not cavemen anymore and your wrestling isn't gonna cut it against a knife but your throat will quickly have a metallic taste.
@@williamm4366 that is not the point of this vid, but I would rather swing a knife or defend my gun with wrestling.
@@williamm4366you know what’s more scary than a guy with a knife? A wrestler with a knife
Fr u have to be strong 💪🏼 what’s the point if u not strong enough to handle opponents
@@williamm4366you say that like martial artists haven't beaten guys with knives or guns. Not every altercation needs to end in death
As a wrestler I think we get over estimated a lot. We are great in 1 on 1 match ups of people the same size as us. In self defense, those variables are not in our control. Jeff chan said it best, having wrestling for self defense makes you better IF you already have the fundementals to strike.
Aa another wrestler, I agree. I'm 14-15y/o, and even though I've been doing wrestling for over a year and have made impressive improvements, but it's not like I'm going to be able to pick any fight I want on the streets, even if I have a chance with winning. It's better to have different martial arts under your belt for self defense
Such is true for any martial art that teaches unarmed fighting for "self-defense".
There is no perfect art to learn to become proficient in every single possible "self-defense" scenario.
It's an incredibly wide variety of skills needed that include more than just unarmed fighting techniques.
Rokas's USDC should have made that abundantly clear.
Honestly all martial arts are like that, which is why MMA is the best. You get a bit of everything instead of just one martial art
@@BucketHeadTK man, most young wrestlers get an attitude early on. I know I did when I was your age. Stay humble, your humility will lead you good places
@NotoriousDaddle I can assure you, arrogance and I are not familiar with each other. If anything, I'm more humbled wrestling people of different backgrounds than when I was not wrestling at all. Appreciate the reminder though 🫡
Content like this is exactly why this is one of my favorite channels. I hope your surgery goes well, and I look forward to your videos.
Couldn't agree more!
I think the key here is what Jeff Chang said. "Assuming the wrestler has some boxing fundamentals". I don't think you can throw striking out the window
You can't throw it out the window 100% but I can say, even a wrestler w ZERO striking is just waiting for a limb to grab, whether it's an arm, or a leg, or just eating a few strikes to get in grabbing range
As a striker, u still have to know how to deal w them. It's not as simple as "oh ill just outbox him"
@@cloudmaster182 it's unlikely that someone will last even a few hits in an street altercation. Even boxers who think they can just block a punch are on for a surprise.
I believe you are trying to make the point that wrestling is incredibly effective/dangerous to which I agree, but it has a place and a time
@MarcosAG90 I've been in a streetfight and literally used this strategy to get in and take the guy down, before I had any striking training
I ate like 5 shots, had some cuts and a bruise under.my right eye, but I took him down and got on top and landed a few times myself before it got broken up. You overestimate how good people are at punching and underestimate how strong a human skull is. Pretty much every high school in America has a wrestling program and trained wrestlers are way more common than trained boxers
@@cloudmaster182plus wrestlers have a Thick thick necks which helps a lot in absorbing punches
The punches you ate turned your brain to mush @@cloudmaster182
Wrestling is important for both grapplers and strikers because if your a striker you don’t wanna go on the ground where as if your a grappler you want to take people down.
I guess best is combination of both
@@ArnasLeo absolutely
What's the difference between grappling and wrestling?!?
I've been trying to figure this out for hours now.
But best I've gotten is "they're essentially the same thing. But slightly different." None of my searching is bringing up anything!
Could you help me out?
I'm a complete novice here.
@@rainynight02 The wrestling part is when someone goes for a "takedown" which would be a Double leg or Single leg
once on the ground it's heavy top pressure woth goal to pin both shoulders on the mat and to keep yours off. So wrestlers are good at getting back up.
BJJ gives the ability to fight off your back so BJJ guys tend lay on their back
BJJ is the "submission" or chokes such as the Rear naked choke and joint locks such as armsbars and knee bars
Wresting gives you the ability to take the fight to the ground, and BJJ helps you finish it there
@@rainynight02Wrestling is part of grappling but usually classified as its own thing.
Grappling is a catch all term for Wrestling, Judo, BJJ, Catch etc, but ppl mostly use it to describe BJJ players
The best martial art for self defense?
Track.
Yeah, "track" your target with your ranged taser or hand held lead cannon
Running fast?!
I think so :)) can't argue.. if you can run away there's no fight in the first place
Hello i work in private security with high profile clients often in luxury resorts, if you have to chose one martial art to defend yourself you better chose one who include the use of weapons because you know, we're not cavemen anymore and your wrestling isn't gonna cut it against a knife but your throat will quickly have a metallic taste.
@@williamm4366nobody believes you lmao, but you are right that gun or knife invalidate most if not all hand to hand combat.
I agree as well. I used to practice Judo and one time we had a sparring training with some dudes of wrestling. It was one of the most challenging and satisfied trainings I ever had, wrestlers have a great development to adapt on many circumstances what's make them very good opponents
Oh yes, used to do Judo and a little bit of jiujitsu for a year or two with my dad who hasn’t done jiujitsu for that long, (about a year, give or take. He’s also done judo for a couple of years but i’ve mostly done BJJ with him and mostly trained judo in a club.) i’ve just turned 17, whenever i ”spar” with this guy, who is two years younger than me and has done wrestling for a year, i get absolutely obliterated. It’s fun and i definetly can learn ALOT from him. Also he has an athletic background since he was a kid, and i was always the fat kid so he has alot more strength than me but i’m physically way bigger than him. A very humbling experience to get destroyed by a guy two years younger whos 40 pounds lighter than me. But god do i love the humbling aspect because that is what many people, especially my age lack and i dont want to be one of those.
That’s why sambo is so excellent. Combines both judo and wrestling
It sounds like you simply had not been trained properly...
And yes I'm a seasoned combat instructor and the realities of combat seems to be removed from the realities of realistic combat...
No dis intended!!!
You have to be DIVERSE in what ever SYSTEM you have chosen to participate in so that your systematically able to comprehend the opposition in the face of any reality Combat situations...
If your only training for sport you are wasting your time because the reality is your not going to truly learn anything enough to be truly effective except against others who are like yourself...
Facts @@youngOG87
Nothing beats badminton
Pickleball crushes badminton
The thing with wrestling is it’s incredible if you’re bigger and stronger, it’s great if you’re the same size, it starts to not work out so well if they’re bigger and or in better shape than you. That’s just what I’ve noticed after training with quite a few wrestlers over the years.
It doesn't work differently for anything else mate. Technique is an advantage just like size is.
I disagree. When it comes to hold downs and pins, size is definitely more of a factor, but I have an easier time taking down big guys in my gym because I'm so much faster than them. Just stay away from double legs and high crotches or anything else that can get sprawled on. Duck unders are super hard to beat when your opponent is a lot faster than you.
Hello i work in private security with high profile clients often in luxury resorts, if you have to chose one martial art to defend yourself you better chose one who include the use of weapons because you know, we're not cavemen anymore and your wrestling isn't gonna cut it against a knife but your throat will quickly have a metallic taste.
Wrong
@altaydogahan342 a 135lb older man vs a 230lb thug would have a better chance at oblique kicking from a distance as oppose to trying to wrestle & getting slammed on concrete. I have grappled awhile & 100lb difference isn’t nearly as important in striking as grappling
Imo I think Judo might be more practical for self defence than wrestling.
1) It teaches you to strip grips from clothing. Which is so important for defending yourself and it's very difficult. If someone grabs your wrist or a collar tie you can get that off with ease, but if they grab your clothes they suddenly have a very powerful grasp of you that you can't remove if you don't have the reps.
2) Avoiding the ground.
Wrestlers instinct is to go down and control. But irl that can be dangerous. Multiple attackers obviously but you never know what the ground is like, might be covered in broken glass or even used needles in some places. Judo teaches you how to throw ppl hard to the ground which staying standing.
3) Groundwork. While not ideal you might end up on the ground and judo does at least teach some ground game. Wrestling you get into top and ground and pound but a quick snap or strangle is sometimes better.
4) I live in Europe. Unless I'm in Dagestan people probably aren't gonna double leg me. So knowing wrestling defense isn't as important. BUT adding a sprawl into your arsenal isn't as hard as learning at the judo stuff.
Anyway that's my thoughts on it.
If you're in Germany there's a huge influx of Iranian and Russian refugees. Learn how to sprawl 😂
@@StratosAkidemisSprawl OR a reversal+guillotine. A good reversal for a leg takedown is sumi gaeshi.
In real self defense always avoid the ground no matter what, good points! I’m an mma fighter but jiu jitsu is what I specialize in, and unfortunately in a real situation it’s only a last resort. Occasionally in mma I will manage to snag a kimura or something from guard but you shouldn’t allow yourself to be in guard in the first place. I’ve seen a kid grab an amazing rnc on somebody attacking him and another kid just stomped on his head. The kids jiu jitsu was solid but one head stomp and he’s done now, pretty sure he died. Don’t end up on the ground 1 v 1 with someone who knows jiu jitsu, but otherwise staying up is the number 1 key.
We’ve had patients come into our Emergency Department basically DOA (dead on arrival) due to be a recipient of a double leg in a street fight & they cracked the back of their dome (struck the back of their head) Youngest I witnessed was 15 year old victim
We’ve had patients come into our Emergency Department basically DOA (dead on arrival) due to be a recipient of a double leg in a street fight & they cracked the back of their dome (struck the back of their head) Youngest I witnessed was 15 year old victim
For self defense is Combat Sambo.
Its basically wrestling, Jui jitsu and kickboxing combined. Thats all U need for self defense.
MMA is superior
Street fights I would have thought boxing. Ending it quick whilst still on the feet. Wouldn't like to be on the floor with their buddies around.
a boxing base is important for self defense, but wrestling is more important. if you hit a person in the face with your bare hands the risk of breaking your hand is high, if the attacker is much taller than you you won't even be able to hit him in the face, furthermore not all people feel "pain" or are knocked out when they get hit in the face. managing distance is a relative thing because if you are a boxer and you find yourself with an attacker in an elevator or a narrow corridor where you can't throw your punches at maximum power, what do you do? there are too many variables in personal defense, boxing alone cannot solve everything, you must also have a solid if not excellent wrestling base.
@@animatronix5676wrestling just gets u head stomped 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@gitarooman2995 wrestling Is not bjj 😉
@@gitarooman2995dawg thats bjj. a wrestler can take u down and stay standing. ur the one whos gonna get his head stomped LMAO.
Boxing is more convinenet
yeah and a lot of people neglect the takedown defense you get it from it like it if you’re getting jumped and someone tries to get you down on the ground you can stay off it
“you don’t want to be on the ground in a fight” goes both ways i don’t wanna be slammed against the pavement by some dude while his friends stomp me
judo however has a pretty good case too tho
Hello i work in private security with high profile clients often in luxury resorts, if you have to chose one martial art to defend yourself you better chose one who include the use of weapons because you know, we're not cavemen anymore and your wrestling isn't gonna cut it against a knife but your throat will quickly have a metallic taste.
@@williamm4366my thought exactly. ya wrestling buddy finna get stabbed. Judo is what you want. I want my enemy on the ground and me standing over him. Period
If youre getting jumped you are most likely just gonna get jumped
As a middling martial artist I would rather fight a pretty crappy boxer than a rather crappy wrestler.
I think the wrestler has a way higher chance to be physicly superior and to deny me any way to win.
A decent practioner of ANY martial art that has actuall sparring would probably just wreck me tho, unless my own crappy grappling miracolously saves me 😅
I think people highly underestimate muay thai for self defense not just because of the striking. If you ever clinch with a thai. They can manhandle you just like a wrestler
Hello i work in private security with high profile clients often in luxury resorts, if you have to chose one martial art to defend yourself you better chose one who include the use of weapons because you know, we're not cavemen anymore and your wrestling isn't gonna cut it against a knife but your throat will quickly have a metallic taste.
@@williamm4366in theory yes, but in practice no martial art will teach you how to dedend yourself effectively from a weapon. All that krav maga bullsht will be completely useless from the complete lack of sparring in their curriculum. Much better to resort to something actually useful that will at least have you coveres in hand to hand, such as MMA, BJJ, wrestling...
@@williamm4366 well sure.
But 1. Not everyone has a weapon
2. I train for fun and health primarily
Self defence is a secondary benifit.
I am after all more likely to die from heart failure than knife violence.
@@nericohen-muaythai8875 muay thai people got those leg kicks too.
As they hint, it’s likely mostly acting as a filter. Meaning, it’s not perhaps the best to bring out the best out of a random individual, but it may be only let the best persist and they will be skilled.
That's a good point, kind of a 'correlation does not equal causation' deal.
Only the strongest & toughest survive years of wrestling, and anyone like that will be hard to deal with regardless of fighting skill.
Perhaps, but many novice wrestlers (ok high school wrestlers) are still pretty tough. It's the toughness of the training that helps most defeat many mental barriers.
Catch wrestling is real tough.
Its called "Catch"wrestling for a REASON...
You'll figure it out, or "NOT"...
Can't remember who said it but there's a quote along the lines of "the best martial art to know in a padded room is jiu jitsu, the best martial art to know on concrete is wrestling"
I've been doing jiu jitsu for just over 4 years, I submit wrestlers in our gym 90% of the time, but I lose at least 90% of takedown battles. All the jiu jitsu in the world can't take away from the pain and damage a decent takedown into concrete can do.
So true
Hello i work in private security with high profile clients often in luxury resorts, if you have to chose one martial art to defend yourself you better chose one who include the use of weapons because you know, we're not cavemen anymore and your wrestling isn't gonna cut it against a knife but your throat will quickly have a metallic taste.
@@williamm4366 cool man, I think in this case we're assuming hand to hand self defense. I carry a firearm on a regular basis. I've never been in a street fight and I never plan on being in a street fight, but if it ever happens and the other dude pulls a knife, I'm gonna pull a gun. This is assuming I can't exit or deescalate, of course.
I train Muay Thai and jiu jitsu, but I don't train because of self defense, I train because it's fun.
All that said, without knives or guns involved, I still think wrestling is a clear winner on a hard surface.
Which is why nearly all martial arts, even ones with little grappling and no groundfighting,
have throws, sweeps, and takedowns.
@@BWater-yq3jxNo they don't 🤔😂
Boxing + Wrestling and your set
Pretty much.
Boxing + wrestling vs muay thai and bjj. Who wins? I say the latter.
@@sidb7271MMA beats both
@@sidb7271 Certainly hasn't worked that way in the UFC.
First guy who said "you cant submit" is wrong. Many wrestling techniques are just an inch away from being a submission or they are a submission with then intent of getting a pin. For example in wrestling a head and arm choke is used to get a pin, just dont let go of it and the guy goes to sleep, a saturday night special is not only humiliating but will also put you in massive pain. Old school neck crank hurts like a mother fer.
No. Submissions from real submission arts are much more technical. Some pin holds happen to be a choke but that doesn't mean the mechanics to finish a fight is taught. In fact freestyle was created by removing the submission element of Catch Wrestling mentioned in the video. Watch early UFC and you'll see no wrestlers would be able to finish a fight without GnP and sometimes RnC. Hence wrestlers without BJJ were considered boring for ages for their inability to finish a fight and going to a boring decision more than not.
@altaydogahan342 Yeah, nothing you said discredits anything i said. Good job writing all of that for no reason.
@@thisfool89as someone who wrestles in BJJ and know way better wrestlers than myself doing BJJ they get caught in chokes all the time cause your neck and arms are out and some positions in wrestling are considered really weak when it comes to your opponent not punished for being on their back especially when hunting for any joint they can grab and rip don’t get mad about it be an open martial artist cause the wrestlers in Jiu Jitsu do better than your average Jiu Jitsu guy cause they can use that knowledge snd apply it to BJJ and it’s very affective but not affective at choking and especially defending your back being taken
Congrats on having ur head so far up ur ass. Ur just flat out wrong lmfao. If u try to submit ur opponent in wrestling u will literally get disqualified 😂
@ashtoncomer935 The guy in the video said wrestling dosent or cant do submission. I said he is wrong and that wresting does have submission they are just not used for the purpose of getting a submission vitory, they are used to force a person into a pin. Like seriously, what does anything you said have to do with that?
Which end fights faster in the streets? Jab, cross or take someone down to the concrete. Which one keeps situational awareness better and an ability to retreat. Not that catch wrestling Bjj isn't necessary as a preparedness to get back to your feet. The toll Bjj has taken on my body, the weight I have to gain to maintain competitiveness with larger training partners also.
Bjj and catch wrestling develop great tendon strength, but to continually train, it takes a great toll on your body. Next time you're at class, watch older participants get up off the ground, and you will see what I'm talking about. I'm still a burpees fan, and if you're not training like this, cardio is very different. Bottom line practicality long term.
Every art that exists has its strengths and flaws, im bias towards wrestling as a wrestler myself, but since transitioning to MMA ive gotten up to my blue belt in BJJ, and i train a lot of muay thai and boxing, but i still almost always fall back to my grappeling
Wrestling is good but it honestly gets overhyped because there’s very few people that wrestle recreationally. The “wrestlers” these guys are talking about are kids that got put on the mats at 8 years old and wrestled up to or through college.
Wrestling by itself is very rarely taught to adults who are just somewhat interested or trying to get into shape. A lot of mma schools might have “wrestling days” but a school that teaches just wrestling for adults is real rare.
I think jiu jitsu , wrestling, and kickboxing are the best when combined. Wrestlers make good jiujitsu players and striking with not only your hands but with your legs are key. Even better than kick boxing is Muaythai . Bo nickel is a wrestler and he dominated jiujitsu his first time just off of wrestling which is amazing. I’m more of a fan of jiu jitsu but I like to roll with college wrestlers because I learn a lot from them when it comes to pressure and it brings the dog out of me every roll .
I'd probably rank it as an A-. In regular freestyle and Greco, you don't have actual submissions, which is what Ken Shamrock experienced in UFC 2, and why he lost. Wrestling+boxing+submissions=great fighter
So many Olympic wrestlers have sucked in the ufc because they don’t know how to engage control afterwards. Kickboxing is meta rn. But wrestling combined with judo and some jiu jitsu have made some unstoppable goats.
We still got Dagestan champs wrestling is still number 1
@dirtygeazer9266 The Dagestani also use Judo/Sambo in their skillet though.
lmfao wrestling is back to winning rn
Wrestling is THE martial art
Simple to the point and extremly pushing n grinding
You come out of it very strong
Bjj black belt here.. and I agree 1000 percent.. nothing quite like a high level collegiate wrestler
As someone who's studying BJJ, the only reason why I took that instead of wrestling is because of the lack of submissions in wrestling. But even then Wrestling still is an A-tier martial art.
Basically any martial that is specialized in self defense and defense against weapons are the best (such as Krav Maga, Pencak Silat or Japanese JiuJitsu)
I think the silliest arguments against wrestling is eye pokes groin attacks and back of the head/neck stuff like come on lets live in reality no fiction that stuff doesn't stop takedowns and makes the guy more angry also i love that everyones other argument is weapons like boxing or karate or muay thai teach you how to deal with knives and guns also if you look at knife and weapons defense it's grappling it's basic wrestling 2 on 1s russian ties etc just methods of isolating and controlling the arm not art teaches this besides grappling also when you learn wrestling or bjj you leanr how to get out from worst possible spot in a fight if you are a striker and wnd up on bottom it's over
S: Track
A: Judo
B: Mauy Thai
C: Wrestling
D: Boxing
E: BJJ
Wrestling has same problem as BJJ it ends up with you on the floor getting kicked in the head.
You can add MMA on S tier
Representing with the hoodie let's get this brass
The best UNARMED martial art perhaps. Fixed that for you.
The only problem I find with wrestling is the high physical cost of learning it. Which is why jujitsu is far more accessible to far more people, it is physically less demanding. wrestlers are impressive fuckers and we can’t all be that physically fit.
Fair point.. unless maybe if you start very young..
@@ArnasLeo definitely. If I had known when I was younger, what I know today, I would’ve taken wrestling, even if I was bad at it, and never got anywhere with it BJJ and kickboxing would’ve been so much easier if I had a wrestling background.
You can be that fit your just not tough enough to want it!
@@dylanryan3525 has nothing to do with how tough or weak I am. I’m 35 years old with a house a business and a family to run and maintain. I can’t dedicate 3 hours daily to exercise and put my body through the challenge. I have to get up at 5 am next morning and work for 10-12 hours a day.
Wrestling is hell on the body. I’m not willing to sacrifice for a sport I’m not competing in.
Priorities bud. It’s what adults are made of.
Kudos for saying the name of Nathan correctly!
It has a great many uses that make it a very good supplementary style to add to increase your chance to land more when mixed with a style that does striking
It's great base for martial arts journey
@ArnasLeo definitely I agree, it is very good for teaching discipline, hard work, grit, mental toughness, good balance, good take downs, solid submissions, and my favorite efficient hand fighting which I like to use to open up better opportunities for my striking
But Khabib says that Judo is high level.
He was talking about in sports in Olympics, very few countries compete in Olympic wrestling compared to Olympic judo
In MMA , it's safe to say it's not s tier , becauae of time and rounds , in reality the guy on bottom is working way harder than the top guy is to get back or to a better position
Boxing and wrestling form a very good combo
Im happy im a wrestler 🙏
Well you will not go far in anything in the street's enough to defend yourself on the street, unless you have only one opposition and even then it is not going to be easy...
They are called street fighters for a "REASON"...
So don't assume the street fighters can't fight and that they don't practice how to be successful in the realities of a confrontation...
Problem with Wrestling it’s a lot more physically oriented than Bjj and Judo, so if you’re facing someone taller or bigger then it’s harder to use. The former have techniques that are better for people who already aren’t already above average in athleticism.
Wrestling is also supported by the local School District. This not only provides support & equipment, the cost 💲 is exponentially reduced in comparison to ALL OTHER Combat Sports. I enrolled my Son @ the grand age of 7/Second Grade. Now soon the be 38 he routinely thanks me for putting him into Wrestling
No style is the best but wrestling is probably the best foundation. Simply because they can dictate where the fight goes.
What're we talking about? If it's a random street fight wrestling is great bec once a man picks you up and slams you on your back you don't want anymore. You realize you messed with the wrong person
Wrestling in street: yo face about to meet asphalt
1on1 it's good but in group fights it might be little bit difficult.
Most disciplines won't admit that wrestling is the BEST foundation.
I’ve never seen a wrestler lose a street fight. That’s all I’m saying 🤷🏻♂️
Wrestling is very much a part of the grappling world but by itself is not enough, wrestlers come into my bjj school and get there back taken and choked often. They are the king of take downs and some super powered athletes though. Once they learn submissions and some striking they are gold. Bell curb is very small
One of the advantages of wrestling is that there is a lot of live training whereas in striking by necessity you can't go full tilt against a sparring partner as much, and sometimes boxing training can become a bit abstract if the athlete is not visualizing the opponent on bag work for example. However, a lot in all arts depends on the coaching.
Muai thai 1000% every fight starts on feet and Muai thai is most complex on feet including a tiny bit of "grapping" which is clinching
@@user-nd6qv6ly3o lmao????!!! Do you thibn muai thai guys not use hands? we strike ppl with our knees and elbows acrosss the face once we get cloth but not hands?
@@bluejay4668 as a boxer I have to agree with you since I respect mua tai, i have alot of mua tai fighters in my boxing gym and its popular to do both, I do think though that wrestling and grapping is useless in street unless your going on the guy with no friends. Heres the thing guys "Sean Strickland", if you have friends with you then if he takes you down your friend is going to kick his face out. In a streetfight I think the most important thing to do is to avoid them and just hit them 1 2 times mabe they get knocked the fuck out who knows but still a 1 2 and then just walk away or run.
@@user-nd6qv6ly3oyou don't know what your on about bro
Wrestling and judo are S tier, there's no way around it, even if you know 2 martial arts, if you get a solid judoka you better be careful of your shit.
Y would you need submissions when u can slap them on the ground
I wouldn’t say so, only for the one factor that you can’t use every move in it because you could possibly break your neck or head or at least bleed a little bit call Mom before everybody says they do next strength training. This is Captain obvious I know that. You don’t have to tell me that but I’m pretty sure if you were to slam yourself on concrete it’s different than slamming yourself on a Matt now if you were to incorporate like certain moves into wrestling on being able how to use them because I’ve seen wrestling work and street fights and they’re actually used way different than they are on the mat just for these valid reasons so yes, you can use it in the street the same way you can use any grappling art in the street that you can fine. It always just depends for me. I always tell people I think it’s better to have strikes as well with grapples cause if you have only strikes, and you have like a master grappler who knows how to evade punches he’s going to Grouch View he’s gonna throw you if you only have grapples, you’re gonna get struck by someone who doesn’t. So it’s always good to have the two.
Wrestling is fantastic the strength and conditioning side alone put up then you add tried and tested skills which mske for a great base to add things too whether that's a striking art like boxing or muay Thai or bjj its not a accident that many mma fighters have a base in wrestling
The best martial art for self defense is either Boxing or Karate.
I think it’s 50/50 boxing and wrestling of course I’m American. BJJ following close behind.
Its always go go go when wrestling
The original sport of wrestling did include submissions, as all of these grappling sports such as jiu-jitsu originated from it.
The mindset and grind mentality alone is enough for you to win a fight, let alone actually know how to wrestle.
Wrestling is based upon speed, agility and strength. You won’t always have that.
oh yeah hugging men is such a self defence
Training Wrestling sure helps.
In a defense situation youre most likely smaller, wrestling is great for getting into good positions and taking some one down. But most people trying to kill you or harm you for something, theyll just bash your head in or kick your head in. Best for martial art self defence imo has to be boxing or bjj but gotta be pretty good in it
There are thousands of self defense methods way better than martial arts, a simple knife can make a bjj black belt dangerously useless, even club or rock can make Mike Tyson a defenseless. You got my point. I'm a bjj blue belt here in Brazil, but i know in today's world the use of martial arts as a self defense is something you should never rely thrust on. Never 100%. Be ahead, carry a gun, a pocket knife or even a flashlight. And yeah, running and driving skill can save you life way better.
All that gos out the window in a street fight with no rule the only rule would be to survive biting eye gouging nut shots all fair game so it would ultimately come down to who will is stronger who’s willing to take more and give more
You think hitting someone in the nuts or biting them is gonna let an untrained guy beat a trained fighter? You might wanna fosome research.
Yeah, a wrestler that takes a free month of boxing and jiu jitsu is prepared for 99% of unarmed street fights.
They can essentially teach themselves ground and pound and their tenacity gives them a huge edge. I'd go A+ for wrestling.
Wrestling you don't run the risk of damaging your hands from striking with the hands, and you don't half to pummel someone to a bloody pulp or risk killing some poor fool.
The BJJ Wrestling mix, I think, would be best for self-defense.
The thing that sucks is you can't just go and learn wrestling. If you didn't do it in high-school or college you'll probably never have an opportunity to learn it.
As soon as its more than one( which is Often) how effective is it? Better back that crap up with some potent Boxing hands and Knee strikes.
The best martial art for self-defense is brazilian jiu-jitsu
The useful thing about wrestling is that it tackles the most primitive forms of fighting and movement. Basically to wrestle is what you would do if you were a caveman fighting off an animal or another human, at least holding your own while you find a way to finish it off or scare them away.
S tier is tempting, but my biggest issue with Wresting is there is still a lack of submissions when you look at it from a traditional sense. I think I'll go with A. Its still one of the best
Wrestling prevents takedowns. Always top position and with a little boxing.
@@coollibra3644 a wrestler isn't guaranteed to prevent a takedown from other grapplers. And honestly what the heck is a wrestler going to do against someone who knows submissions? Unless the wrestler knows submissions , he can only go so far in a fight.
@@zaiah9252 A wrestler will always dictate how the fight goes. I can tell you havent face a good wrestler. Most BJJ guys are not good at take downs from a wrestler. He does have to really submit you in a street fight. A few slams and the fight is over. Top position and few fist. Trust you get slammed on concrete. The fight will be over very fast. Yall BJJ guys are cocky for no reason.
@@coollibra3644 every good martial artist knows that nothing is guaranteed. Yes, Wrestlers are better at takedowns. No doubt about that. I'm humble enough to admit that. But most of the time when there is a takedown, the fight is still on. Yes, every now and then a takedown can end the fight. But you can't rely on that. That's like a boxer trying to rely on knockouts to win. Yeah sure knockouts aren't rare but their no guarantees. You can't rely on that. I haven't battled against many wrestlers, or people with wrestling techniques. But when I have, they didn't take me out with their takedowns. The right still kept going on and all they did was pin me. I'm not one of those BJJ guys. I'm always open to possibilities but from my experience most of the time, BJJ guys gain the upper hand with submissions. I know wrestlers who admitted that and even they learned submissions. A wrestler who learns submissions is a dangerous person.
I don't believe in martial arts that much for self defense in the streets cause where I live most people have guns and knives. Martial arts at this point is a great sport but trying to fight somebody is a sure way to get murdered. You either stay strapped or die trying to double leg or box somebody.
Its S tier for sure, just look at the UFC
Cam we do taekwando next?
If you survive the first strikes thrown, wrestling and grappling are for sure the best self defense techniques there is if its just 1 attacker in my opinion... As soon as there are 2 attackers, you cant compete against 4 hands and 4 legs, you need to take those heads off their shoulders! I think that often people dont realise that most people havent gotten in (street)fights before, and giving them a strong jab is enough to rock or atleast phase someone who never felt a punch before! But... most of the time its the people who like to stir things up, that get into a fight and they probaly do it often.
I say Sambo, if we have to pick one. But idk if Sambo is the sport name, or the martial art name.
Catch wrestling is still wrestling. There's been submission wrestling since the dawn of time
In my opinion, wrestling is too aggressive for self defense, and pinning inst all that useful
Can you do one for judo please
Wrestling, Muay Thai, and jiu jitsu are all S tier
As a single style Sambo has to be near the top
I wouldn’t consider wrestling a martial art in the first place.. but in general every good martial arts teacher would tell you that the best self defense is escape technique!
Wrestling best fundamental if your doing mma but if a pure wrestler goes down with a pure jits guy then jits wins all day show that wrestler some submission attacks n defences then the jits guy will struggle perhaps even lose
Self defense if your plan is to be the aggressor when someone attacks you.
Its not the best but its very good. Theres nearly no S tier. Combat sambo is the only S tier but good luck finding it anywhere. Otherwise S tier is finding an mma gym because youll learn how to blend striking and grappling.
A tier is occuppied by Judo. A great focus on takedowns, takedown defense, top control, and even submissions. Many judo gyms teach a more traditional style with some striking and also self defense oriented techniques its just not all or maybe even half of them so its A.
Wrestling and nearly everything else is B or below. Takedowns and top control are great but without striking or submissions its missing a key component to finish fights. Its worked for me a few times tho.
The Best self defense is usually to just run especially if it's not 1 on 1. Getting down on the ground if there is more than one attacker is simply stupid. You strike quick and get out. Punch, head butt, elbow, trip/sweep/judo throw and move. Getting top position or working your way to a submission on ground when co-attackers are surrounding you isn't an option. Even Jocko says this about self defense.
If someone has better wrestling than you and can strike your in for a fight scariest people are wrestlers that don’t like to wrestle they just defend clinch and takedowns and knock your teeth out
did they forget about Judo?
Judo is a form of wrestling
It’s a form of grappling, not wresting. They have different rulesets
And Iranians are fucking good at it.
It's their national sport.
The absolute best wrestlers are Iranians.
The best martial art for self-defense is an art that a) has punches and kicks, b) takedowns, c) groundwork. And, defense/countering of a-b-c. At its purest form, wrestling does not have a defense against punches and kicks. Just like kickboxing doesnt have defense against takedowns or groundwork.
Definitely.
Am a pretty advanced wrestler and I can say for self defense bjj judo or boxing. Is a better alternative.
Would you please elaborate on why you think so?
@@wreckyface7620 sure why not. A street fight should never be taken to the ground in the first place. That’s why you should learn something like boxing. If you do get to the ground bjj is a better option as you can manipulate joints and you have ways to subdue or choke out the enemy.
Wrestling is a really good foundation but there are better options. I appreciate you not attacking me for saying what I think.😅😅
@@DT.U yo no worries man, there's no need to be mean about personal opinions.
I'm a judoka and i just started freestyle wrestling, and i pretty much agree with you, except the fact i think, and i hate to say this, wrestlers have better takedown skills than most judokas/bjj practicioners (am also training a little bit of bjj). And i value the takedown as the most important thing for a street fight since, if controlled, it will completely eliminate any legal problem and at the same it will put you in a much better position than your opponent. Also i don't truely believe the 'you don't go to the ground in a street fight because your opponent might have friends', because i think that IF he has friends you're done anyway, no matter if you go to the ground or not, i don't think the outcome against three dudes is gonna be much different if you stay on your feet or not.
@@wreckyface7620 for things like doubles singles high c’s yea but for takedowns has a hole it’s hard to say. Judo has a wide variety of throws and trips same with bjj. Wrestlers typically have better takedowns than most bjj guys. When it comes to throws and trips judo guys are better. For double legs and things like that wrestlers.
@@DT.U yeah ok, absolutely, but i meant takedown as the ability to bring someone to the ground, regardless if it is via throws or single and doubles. I think that in the whole wrestlers are generally better. But it's just my opinion
What exercises give you that wrestling strength?
Best self defense is not get into fights and if u do have a gun problem solved the American way 😂😂😂💀💀💀
wrestling is not the best art for self defence but it’s useful because it allows you to deal with bigger guys when you’re backed into a corner, but you don’t wanna be using it much, in a street fight you want a gas tank and foot speed
Parkour is the best martial art for self defense
one of the scariest guys i've ever sparred with was a wrestler. we're training multiple opponent scenarios, and he begins the match by picking up my ally and begins to man-handle them like they were a pair of human-nunchakus. dafuq do i do with that?
What about when I see "red"
Nope, Dutch Muay Thai because you don't ever want to be on the floor with KUDO
muay thaï + judo you still wanna be able TO NOT go on the ground
@turkicsayajin2274 obviously don't understand 🙄 judo or where BJJ comes from give you a clue it has ground game
Look, if you are not a DIVERSE and a well rounded fighter regardless of the situation Your most likely going to be destroyed...
So one cannot be ONE Dimensional and hope things go in their favor...