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No no, it's good, but this change in particular is actually bad. They are basically asking 14 euro instead of 20 euro but you're losing 80% value, essentially scamming new users. You used to get 50 hammers and 200 unlockstones and 500 of the yellow BP currency which was your main goal anyway. The battlepass has a shop with items which take very long to farm and the value in the battlepass was those coins together with the unlockstones and hammers. They essentially made it so that nobody will buy the cheaper battlepass once they realize the inherent value being offered, especially with 700 lucent bringing a lot more traits to T1 items than those 100 unlockstones would :p Man I wish they would just charge a premium subscription cost instead of running the game to death before arrival in the West. We don't mind to pay for a battle pass, as long as it is good value. They matched the EU pricing for passes but not the value being offered by other games with similar systerms...
@@DaBroughtHD well if the battle pass generated tons of materials the value of those materials will be lower. Now we get less materials the value on those materials will now be higher. supply and demand. Grinding hammers for lucent might get a big boost in lucent an hour.
For gloval - its great - for KR version for ppl who want to catch up with koreans - its huge difference, since it extends by a lot the time needed to catch up to late game. so u are free kill for few more months before You actually geared.
If they put such shit skins and so low value items for battle pass its will be bad for everyone since battle pass now can be gained in the game and battle pass for free to play games are ok
I dont see why this is bad. From a population-wide perspective, the change is for everyone, this nerf doesn't negatively affect anyone except paying players, it's the same cost for everyone anyway so it's not really a negative thing, of course we can argue if it's the best method or way of doing it, but in the end that's NCSoft's decision and how they want to generate revenue. and I imagine those who wanted to achieve more exaggerated benefits by buying will be the only ones upset.
Skins have 0 value since they are not cosmetic they are in game items. and now that battle pass does not cost 700 lucent. since the value of the items are less than 700 lucent. Thats what I was about
Since the battle pass was available for Luscent that you can get ingame without buying it for money, I dont understand why they changed anything about it. Every game that has battle pass has battle pass exclusive skins + materials (with the premium version). This change feels like utter nonsense to me 😓 I mean, I get that people are glad about the materials, but the non exclusive skin (which is literally just appearance and has no gameplay value) I just dont understand
Its simple man since they gonna make 90% less money from battle pass they will save that skins for shop to sell as individual ones..... I dont know man its just so funny how hard they nerfed it.
@@MMOLater Shucks 😭😭😭 Cant say Im all that excited about buying the battle pass now, but Ive heard the purple growth stones are quite difficult to come by so Ill probs have to anyway, and then whale for skins cuz Im sucker for those 😭
@@MMOLater oh really? watched some equip guide before and they said to enchant blue equip and then turn it to purple to get +6, cuz otherwise there wont be enough purple stones for full enchant since theyre pretty limited. Gotta admit I tried to not spoil myself much while watching some bare minimum guides though.
I have to disagree with you about the Outfit of battlepass that's the same as the in game armor.. because the in game armor.. it's an armor.. while from battlepass it's FASHION that you can dye etc. and some armors in game LOOK pretty amazing.. and I wish I could dye them.. but they should also add FASHION that is not normal items of the game as well.. I would suggest a Mixture of both worlds.
You are wrong man. in september we will add system which gives you option to put any in game item as a skin (which is in many games even in ncsoft game AION) sell me skin in battle pass and call it cosmetic is salt in a face since its not cosmetic
I like how its longer, for the casual players. But I can see why they toned it down too. The game wasn't doing good by a population stand point, so of course they made the deals super good. It's clearly doing better, so now they are dialing it back so its not as "easy" to get these items/perks. However the skin they give being one thats already in game is dirty and sneaky lol. Not a fan of that part!
700 lucent is not a big deal and if they would stay old numbers and value of items everyone would afford it. Trust me man they didnt do it for "Game" or for "US" they did it for them . now you will have to buy hammers for example .
I think you are biased on this topic and with time you will see this change more objectively. You thinking battlepass its not p2w/p2fast doesnt mean it feels same for everyone else, for many other MMO players a battlepass with crafting mats its 100% p2w/p2fast, nothing too big but is what it is. And not every MMO on the market is p2w, not sure which mmos you played but there are many mmos without any p2w aspect (from inside the game, RMT doesnt count).
@@MMOLater What? why it has to be only tab-target? ok, EVE Online. The combat works with a fixed tag-target and then you push your weapons and modules. EVE It has zero p2w. You can pay the sub with ingame currency, and thats all. And the game is even more PvP focused than TL (which is not even a full pvp mmo like some people think).
@@MMOLater Dude, there is no need to laugh about other opinions, we were just discussing about games. You asked me about one MMO, and I told you one, and a big one which has been running for 21 years with thousands of players and the biggest pvp battles in the entire genre. I thought you was a serious content creator and with a min knowledge about MMOs... but I was totally wrong. cya
Dude its not complain about P2W its about things what NCsoft did. they removed paid version and nerfed it. They could just removed paid version and made them lucent without nerf. thats a thing
It feels more like an unsuccessful attempt to homogenize the KR and EU ingame economies. It's clear that they have to modify the mtx-sytem for the EU market and I think they are pushing these changes to KR for that reason, this way Global and KR will be on an even playing ground on launch and nobody in KR can bitch about EU having less P2W. The pricing changes etc are good but they should keep the old battle passes as they were instead of going the "pay less, get less"-route.
This is trash, was hoping to use battlepass as a unoficial monthly subscription without spending more than that on the game. Now this option not worth investment and will need to find better way to spend monthly 20eur in the game to get best reward from it. I wish they added monthly sub that increase your drop rates for everything (support live service and get faster progression for it simillar how WOT did in the past).
@@MMOLater in this stage of the game this is for sure DOA...forget battle pass who cares about battle pass...it was crap from begining now its even worse...game is done if they dont fix it done...they will for sure make nice starting profit from newbie spenders but population will drop for minimum 50% after first 30 days...cuz people are not blind after that period any more...there is small chance this will be new Neverwinter with multi char where f2p will work for p2w with low population on servers! P2w system is killing this game and they are saying how they care 🤣they only care about themself!
@@MMOLater alot of things i can list u 50 things i dont like in the game but...worst part is p2w system and things i cannot even write here cuz they will delete it...p2w is now even worse then before last patch...and i think they are now done...they will now push this to the end cuz they simple must dance on music they dont like...u will see after first 30 days how bad it will be...and all that cuz they run to them and now there is no escape from it!
i watched his comment history and he is literally delusional or bipolar XD. Typical EU 10hour worker that cant even p2w to catch up to the lost time cuz he is poor so he wants a game balanced around him (casual) where theres 0 p2w and you can get to the end game by playing 2 hours a day LMAO
Correction Rune Hammers are 54 not 44 and Skill books 40 (Ofc not 400) .
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less p2w not a bad thing
Its not about P2W its about nerf they did to battle pass. Why they didnt stay it as it was once it was cashier
No no, it's good, but this change in particular is actually bad.
They are basically asking 14 euro instead of 20 euro but you're losing 80% value, essentially scamming new users. You used to get 50 hammers and 200 unlockstones and 500 of the yellow BP currency which was your main goal anyway. The battlepass has a shop with items which take very long to farm and the value in the battlepass was those coins together with the unlockstones and hammers.
They essentially made it so that nobody will buy the cheaper battlepass once they realize the inherent value being offered, especially with 700 lucent bringing a lot more traits to T1 items than those 100 unlockstones would :p
Man I wish they would just charge a premium subscription cost instead of running the game to death before arrival in the West. We don't mind to pay for a battle pass, as long as it is good value. They matched the EU pricing for passes but not the value being offered by other games with similar systerms...
@@DaBroughtHD well if the battle pass generated tons of materials the value of those materials will be lower. Now we get less materials the value on those materials will now be higher. supply and demand. Grinding hammers for lucent might get a big boost in lucent an hour.
@@DaBroughtHD you can buy hammers on AH. But rest is just progress
@@MMOLater whaat! i can't sell mine in any way, are only certain ones sellable?
For gloval - its great - for KR version for ppl who want to catch up with koreans - its huge difference, since it extends by a lot the time needed to catch up to late game. so u are free kill for few more months before You actually geared.
If they put such shit skins and so low value items for battle pass its will be bad for everyone since battle pass now can be gained in the game and battle pass for free to play games are ok
Premium Battle Pass + Premium Leveling Pass is insane.
Premium Leveling pass is x2 better than this premium battle pass
I dont see why this is bad. From a population-wide perspective, the change is for everyone, this nerf doesn't negatively affect anyone except paying players, it's the same cost for everyone anyway so it's not really a negative thing, of course we can argue if it's the best method or way of doing it, but in the end that's NCSoft's decision and how they want to generate revenue. and I imagine those who wanted to achieve more exaggerated benefits by buying will be the only ones upset.
Skins have 0 value since they are not cosmetic they are in game items. and now that battle pass does not cost 700 lucent. since the value of the items are less than 700 lucent. Thats what I was about
Does the battle pass have any cashback credit rewards? To get a discount on the next battle pass? As some games do...

Discount for next pass no. now its Lucent purchased so you just pay 700 lucent on KR ( Maybe different on Global) and thats it
@@MMOLaterok thx ill check global when release
Nerfing the pass is a win for the consumer, less fomo, less p2w
@@MustBHacks but that pass you can gain from free to play to. Now it does not worth for free to play players. And p2w people still buy it.
Since the battle pass was available for Luscent that you can get ingame without buying it for money, I dont understand why they changed anything about it. Every game that has battle pass has battle pass exclusive skins + materials (with the premium version). This change feels like utter nonsense to me 😓 I mean, I get that people are glad about the materials, but the non exclusive skin (which is literally just appearance and has no gameplay value) I just dont understand
Its simple man since they gonna make 90% less money from battle pass they will save that skins for shop to sell as individual ones..... I dont know man its just so funny how hard they nerfed it.
@@MMOLater Shucks 😭😭😭 Cant say Im all that excited about buying the battle pass now, but Ive heard the purple growth stones are quite difficult to come by so Ill probs have to anyway, and then whale for skins cuz Im sucker for those 😭
@@VAXEFI purple enchant stones you mean? weapon armor and accessories? you can gat hundrids so easy
@@MMOLater oh really? watched some equip guide before and they said to enchant blue equip and then turn it to purple to get +6, cuz otherwise there wont be enough purple stones for full enchant since theyre pretty limited. Gotta admit I tried to not spoil myself much while watching some bare minimum guides though.
I guess they don't want us to buy the battle pass anymore lol
No they want just they dont give good materials and forcing you to pay for them to get
Pay for skins.. nothing more and int a very good game
even skin sucks in this battle pass thats a problem to its not cosmetic its in game item
I have to disagree with you about the Outfit of battlepass that's the same as the in game armor.. because the in game armor.. it's an armor.. while from battlepass it's FASHION that you can dye etc. and some armors in game LOOK pretty amazing.. and I wish I could dye them.. but they should also add FASHION that is not normal items of the game as well.. I would suggest a Mixture of both worlds.
You are wrong man. in september we will add system which gives you option to put any in game item as a skin (which is in many games even in ncsoft game AION) sell me skin in battle pass and call it cosmetic is salt in a face since its not cosmetic
Amazon confirmed this for a month! You can Buy it with ingame Money and there want change it to premium Outfit!
You dont know what amazon will have since they control battle pass
I like how its longer, for the casual players. But I can see why they toned it down too. The game wasn't doing good by a population stand point, so of course they made the deals super good. It's clearly doing better, so now they are dialing it back so its not as "easy" to get these items/perks. However the skin they give being one thats already in game is dirty and sneaky lol. Not a fan of that part!
700 lucent is not a big deal and if they would stay old numbers and value of items everyone would afford it. Trust me man they didnt do it for "Game" or for "US" they did it for them . now you will have to buy hammers for example .
I think you are biased on this topic and with time you will see this change more objectively. You thinking battlepass its not p2w/p2fast doesnt mean it feels same for everyone else, for many other MMO players a battlepass with crafting mats its 100% p2w/p2fast, nothing too big but is what it is. And not every MMO on the market is p2w, not sure which mmos you played but there are many mmos without any p2w aspect (from inside the game, RMT doesnt count).
Tell me one tab target pvp mmorpg game which is not P2W
@@MMOLater What? why it has to be only tab-target? ok, EVE Online. The combat works with a fixed tag-target and then you push your weapons and modules. EVE It has zero p2w. You can pay the sub with ingame currency, and thats all. And the game is even more PvP focused than TL (which is not even a full pvp mmo like some people think).
@@IsvRada EVO online? This is what you got as an example? 😄 To compare mmorpg P2W to throne and Liberty? EVO fking Online?
@@MMOLater Dude, there is no need to laugh about other opinions, we were just discussing about games. You asked me about one MMO, and I told you one, and a big one which has been running for 21 years with thousands of players and the biggest pvp battles in the entire genre. I thought you was a serious content creator and with a min knowledge about MMOs... but I was totally wrong. cya
no notttttttt the skins the skins is the real end game
lol se quejan por el p2w y arreglan algo y lloran jajajajaja
Dude its not complain about P2W its about things what NCsoft did. they removed paid version and nerfed it. They could just removed paid version and made them lucent without nerf. thats a thing
the battle pass is 21 usd idk where u get 90 dollars from guy
90 dollars? what?
@@MMOLater are u checking what you even saying? u directly say it in the first minute -> 0:35
First battle pass I've owned since KR released. 😏
Its so empty skin sucks . its like extra 1 day grind
They get a little bit of hype and they start milking the players
I dont know man its like put ash in a face
It feels more like an unsuccessful attempt to homogenize the KR and EU ingame economies.
It's clear that they have to modify the mtx-sytem for the EU market and I think they are pushing these changes to KR for that reason, this way Global and KR will be on an even playing ground on launch and nobody in KR can bitch about EU having less P2W. The pricing changes etc are good but they should keep the old battle passes as they were instead of going the "pay less, get less"-route.
@@DaBroughtHD exactly man . Get battle pass for lucent? Yea good idea for players but let value as it was on paid pass before.
Less in the paid battle pass then the earlier free pass…..
Yea but its will be reality for new players on global. they never have something to compare
This is trash, was hoping to use battlepass as a unoficial monthly subscription without spending more than that on the game. Now this option not worth investment and will need to find better way to spend monthly 20eur in the game to get best reward from it. I wish they added monthly sub that increase your drop rates for everything (support live service and get faster progression for it simillar how WOT did in the past).
Yea its does not even worst 700 lucent. its so garbage
They way i look to it, its a good thing they nerfed it.
The skin part is really shit tho
Why since its reachable to lucent why its good they nerf it everyone could buy it
Tbh i know people hate p2w but like come on i wish more people didn’t whine and make them change things
you cant avoide P2W In mmorpgs man everyone knows it but EU people dont want to believe it
RiP..DOA! 🤣
Global players will never feel it since they never had better battle pass
@@MMOLater in this stage of the game this is for sure DOA...forget battle pass who cares about battle pass...it was crap from begining now its even worse...game is done if they dont fix it done...they will for sure make nice starting profit from newbie spenders but population will drop for minimum 50% after first 30 days...cuz people are not blind after that period any more...there is small chance this will be new Neverwinter with multi char where f2p will work for p2w with low population on servers! P2w system is killing this game and they are saying how they care 🤣they only care about themself!
@@foreveryoung1181 what you think need to be changed?
@@MMOLater alot of things i can list u 50 things i dont like in the game but...worst part is p2w system and things i cannot even write here cuz they will delete it...p2w is now even worse then before last patch...and i think they are now done...they will now push this to the end cuz they simple must dance on music they dont like...u will see after first 30 days how bad it will be...and all that cuz they run to them and now there is no escape from it!
i watched his comment history and he is literally delusional or bipolar XD. Typical EU 10hour worker that cant even p2w to catch up to the lost time cuz he is poor so he wants a game balanced around him (casual) where theres 0 p2w and you can get to the end game by playing 2 hours a day LMAO
who care about Korean server
Thats can be same on global
Dead game
Wrong place man this is not concord video's comment section
@@MMOLater that made me choke on my coffee 🤣🤣🤣
@@aselon_eu dude no way you interested with this game? 😄
@@MMOLater I'm not - just happy to support a brother out