Just a note - the "flash forward" was just in John's head - imaging he'll return home but never move past this tragedy. Its why they emphasise the rosary he's holding. Him throwing away the rosary at the end is to confirm that doesn't come to pass and doesn't return to England (reflecting the historical William Adams who lived his remaining life and died in Japan)
Episode 10 Anjin is truly a completely different person from Episode 1 Blackthorne. I think Episode 1 Blackthorne - stubborn and determined to survive and return to England, no matter what - could probably have become that old man. But not the Anjin we see in this episode. I see it as that potential future, growing old in England, truly died in the moment John's thoughts flashed to that dream as he stood on that hill and resolved to die for the sake of the village. Because that was also the moment that Episode 1 John, who would never have willingly given away his life, definitively ceased to be.
I'm 90% sure it is explicitly stated in Gaijin and maybe in Taipan (not so sure) that he did in fact remain in Japan until his death. You can't entirely rely on historical analogues to validly infer details of Clavells stories, historical characters are usually very loosely based on their actual lives.
@@derfliv206 I 'll give 10 percent to the 90 and yes, he did. He had a Japanese wife, was officially recognized as a samuarai, led the construction of the first western-style ships and led several expeditions to South-East Asia. His tomb 三浦按針之墓( Miura Anjin no haka ) is located in Hirado. He regularly wrote letters to his British wife. However, as the Shōgun had decided that William Adams (Blackthorne) was now dead and that he was now Miura Anjin, he was no longer considered married in Japan. He died relatively young at the age of 56 and never saw his original homeland again. He left his inheritance to his Japanese wife and his British wife and her daughter, as well as to his children in Japan, Joseph and Susanna.
@@stephanthomas4410 oh yeah, for sure. I meant more in terms of the fictional universe, where details of the story are often revealed in later novels or previous novels.
There's a mini folktake in Japan, used to teach about the different temperaments of the Three Unifiers, about a monk who asked each of the three men what they'd do with a songbird that wouldn't sing. Oda said "kill it." Toyotomi said "force it to sing." Tokugawa said "just wait, it'll sing." Toranaga, like his historical inspiration, is such a fascinating figure. Arguably a villain in an interpersonal sense - a consummate schemer and manipulator who never hesitates to sacrifice the lives of everyone around him, even friends and family, to achieve his goals - but undoubtedly a hero in the bigger picture. Not many national founders throughout history can rightly claim that, in the aftermath of a generations-long civil war, they built a state which avoided war entirely for over 250 years.
Replying to myself just to avoid my comment being too long and rambling, but it makes me happy to hear Caleb say he wants to learn more about the real Tokugawa Ieyasu. While vacationing in Nikko some years back I had the chance to visit his tomb and the Tokugawa Ieyasu Museum there, and he's definitely been one of my favorite historical figures ever since. Not just his story and accomplishments, but the bits of writing and wisdom he left behind have really stuck with me. I think my personal favorite saying of his is "drinking only of victory without tasting defeat is poisonous to the soul."
"Why tell a dead man the future" If you remember Yabushige told OMI this in the first episode. So it could be said that OMI was working with toranaga from the beginning.
Omi probably made his choice and spilled the beans about everything, but I doubt he was with Toranaga from the beginning. There wouldn't be any point for Muraji to be a spy this whole time, if Toranaga already had Omi in his pocket.
@@feo_san Yeah, many people believe it was Yabushige's assistant who spied on him for Toranaga. He was always next to him and would have heard that comment.
@@hackapump I am SO glad to see other people suggesting this. Everyone jumps on the idea "Omi was a spy!" but it honestly makes zero sense; because there are no scenes to reflect this and in fact rather show he would have been an awful informant. It wasn't until after Toranaga's son died that Omi had any reconsideration for the path he was on (which as a reminder, was Omi's fault in some part, along with that cannon incident; neither of which Toranaga seemed pleased about. What a great spy!). If Omi told Toranaga about that line, it was almost certainly after Yabu and the gang left for Osaka. Meaning Yabu's assistant (who does have a name though it is never said in the show) is the only person that makes sense. He's in most every scene Yabu is in, was there to give Yabu Ishido's orders to help the capture Miriko (and wasn't getting strung up by Toranaga by association) and was one of two people who was there to see him off before he died, 'Have a good death', he was literally watching him and the last person to interact with him right until he was in Toranaga's hands. The scene where Yabu says that line, his assistant was clearly in frame behind him and it seems so unlikely that was by accident; and then they have Yabu, Omi and him all together again right before Toranaga reminds us of that once again.
お二人が最終話に辿り着くのを待ってました。 多くの海外視聴動画で、冒頭の年老いたブラックソーンと海に捨てたロザリオとの矛盾に戸惑う方が多く「Dream of a Dream」の副題に繋げて気付く方が少なかったので演出の難解さが感じられましたが、それだけに「あれはブラックソーンが妄想した未来だ」と気が付いた時の感動も大きい物でした。 お二人に共感するポイントとして、既に決定したシーズン２、３があります。 この１０話で「Shogun」はかなり完成されたストーリーと感じました。 それだけに不安も感じています。 過去の例を見ても予め予定されていた続編なら脚本もしっかりあって成功するケースが多く、人気が出たからと急遽作られた続編は失敗するケースが多いので...。 もう製作は決まったとの事なので、成功を祈るしかありません。
John will never return home. Any return to England to see his grandkids is a mere Dream of a Dream. What a great mini-series! Shame it's getting a second season XD
I love the callbacks in the final episode, Toranaga's "Why tell a dead man the future?" is what Yabushige said in the first episode. Fumi's "Let your hands be the last one to hold her" is what Mariko told her at the death of her child. Even John calling himself "Enemy/Teki" to Toranaga is calling back to 'Teki' being one of the first Japanese words he learnt when they first met.
This is the difference between (East) Asian narrative and Western narrative, that is the protagonist in the East might not always the ones who is in focus. As stories are usually told in long episodic nature with multiple focus, this version of Shogun is told in a quintessential Eastern way. I think for me as an East Asian, I’m already familiar with this type of narrative, so when I first saw Blackthorne done by this fashion, I already know that being the one who is the outsider and to observe and learn the course of his interaction still maintain him as the protagonist, though I would say in Shogun, it’s more of a three-hander between Blackthorne, Mariko and Toranaga. In fact, Blackthorne slowly becomes a more and more opaque character in the show, which is one of the most difficult roles to play when you need to slowly play a person to a concept, and Cosmo Jarvis’ performance is so rare and exceptional from most other actors as his sensuality delivered in Blackthorne is abundant while he’s being so light and tender when it comes to revealing vulnerability towards his ‘third heart’ with a sense of ‘being’. (This has everything to do of how this show is queering the original Western narrative in the book as well as the male gaze of the similar genre on screen, but that’s another whole new chapter to discuss.) For me, Blackthorne’s virtue is passion and directness, never his marine skills, but then that’s also why Toranaga attracts to him because it speaks to him, things that he both lacks but also is able to use to control Blackthorne himself. To me, he loves Blackthorne more than he loves Mariko or Hiromatsu because he senses that Blackthorne is not someone who would just follow orders, but this is also the reason why he needs him more than others because he sees individuality in him with a sense of dignity (unlike Yabushige), a mirror to Toranaga himself as a reminder.
Good insight. Americans are most familiar with this Eastern narrative style you are talking about from oldschool kaiju movies where there is some psychic child that has a connection to the monster. The monster is a force of nature and and only understandable to the audience with the help of the kid. But it is of course a specific case of an overall style, as you said. Toranaga appears to almost everyone as a force of nature, "controlling the wind" as it were, especially to outsider Blackthorne, who slowly comes to understand things better. Same to a degree with Mariko and the Japanese cultural/political way in general. This is more strongly exemplified in the 1980 miniseries which didn't subtitle the Japanese dialogue. A real outsider experience for most of the American audience, picking up things as they went along with Blackthorne. This version you get a lot more of the Japanese characters as fully indepth human beings, just in fact listening to the wind despite appearances.
To agree with other comments (and the actual showrunners), the “flash forwards” are dreams of a future beyond Japan. I agree that this is the perfect ending to the series, but even if they time jump past the Battle of Sekigahara, that isn’t the end of the conflict. Ishido might be done, but there’s like 35 years to deal with the rest of the Council AND Lady Ochiba before the 200 year shogunate without wars takes off
I love Shogun and have watched a number of reactors on TH-cam. I think you guys understand it and are the biggest fans of all the ones I’ve seen. Bravo gentleman.👏👏👏 I think you BOTH would ABSOLUTELY love The Last Kingdom on Netflix. It is about the formation of England in the 9th and 10th century. It is a historical fiction series based on AMAZING books called The Saxon Stories by Bernard Cornwell. The main character is fictional but the events and other major characters are real people. If you think Toronaga/Tokugawa Ieyasu is great King Alfred the Great is FANTASTIC! Just give at least Season 1 Episode 1 a try. I promise you will LOVE it! The acting is AMAZING! I really hope you will just try it even if it’s not for the channel and for yourselves.
The genius of this episode is that it left so much possible content for season 2! Season 2 (which is on the writer's block right now) is going to be awesome.
Finally your SHOGUN reactions are over...a little sad. Thanks for the fun reactions. I always looked forward to them. I wonder what season 2 will be like...scary but fun. I'll be happy to see Fuji's life as a nun.
There is Japanese folklore, I believe, about giant catfish causing earthquakes. Hence Yabushige's fumbling for catfish in a pool at the beginning of this epside. So many layers and details in this adaptation. Someone better versed in Japanese lore can provide details.
It can or not have 2nd season. But should be a waste money for producers, since we know how well received the show was for the critics. Anyway, great show!
@@Scarabswarm Those are not sequels but rather cover an entirely new set of characters in a new time period. The "sequels" are more of an anthology series about stories set in Japan and other Eastern countries.
@@Birthday888 I suppose you are right that anthology would be closer since the books refer back to each other, rather than being completely unconnected stories. IIRC (it has been a long while), the instigating event in Noble House, was something that happened in King Rat. So, while the characters may be new, the stories do follow a consistent thread.
Loved your comments. Your insights into the story were way more sophisticated and nuanced that other reactors I viewed. You got me thinking a lot more about story connections. While listening to your analysis, I had a thought. Mariko's death can be compared to the gardeners. Hear me out. The gardener removes an "evil" from the community and pays for breaking the law with his own life. Mariko says he got a death better than he could have wished for. Mariko goes to Osaka to communicate with Ochiba and create chaos among the Council of Reagents to remove an "evil" from the Relm. She breaks the law by trying to leave Osaka without a permit and she pays with her life. Mariko has wanted death the entire series and Toranaga has provided her a better death than she could have wished for. She helps to save the Relm and becomes a prominant figure in Japanese history. She would not have had that if Buntaro had allowed her to commit seppuku.
The price for Blackthornes life was his ship. It had to be one of them that could not be allowed to live on for being a threat to the black ship and the trade of the christian daimyos. And Mariko chose to sacrifice the ship - with Toranagas approval. Or rather with Toranagas doing, for Toranaga was the one responsible for the destruction of the ship.
These writers presented plans as being much more involved and engaging than real life ended up being. Or maybe they couldn't marry the idea of the Regents turning on Ishido with their rather narrow slice of story. But thats what makes me excited for season 2, where they are "only" constricted by real life, and not the book on top.
In the entire series, only 3 characters saw through Toranaga's bullshit and know his true nature, all 3 of them share the same thing as Toranaga, a rough life. It's because they also suffered from the worst Shukumei, that's why they understand in order to survive that and twist it into something favorable, one must be sly, and above all else, ambitious. You simply cannot survive such hardship without that burning ambition fueling you That's why Lady Ochiba hates Toranaga's guts, that's why Lady Gin knew Toranaga wasn't actually giving up, and we can assume that's also why Father Dell'Aqua never dropped his guard on Toranaga. And I also love this "evil" side of Toranaga was hinted multiple times, like when he talked to Lady Gin, he acted virtuous and honorable by accepting her request for a stick of his time, yet he picked the shortest stick possible, which Lady Gin noticed as well At the end of the day, it's all just like what the 1st episode said, what kind of man wields power in a land like Japan? It's someone like Toranaga, the ones you never even see coming. John Blackthorne's downfall comes from the fact he never hides his 3rd heart, from day 1 he has been antagonizing the catholics in a country full of catholics, literally he got his man killed in Ep 1 because he immediately talked back to the translator, that's why the priest framed him as pirates
Ok hear me out. Based on my sources I have confirmation on what will happen on Season 2. Toranaga will ride into battle on his white horse as shown in the Season1 posters. Blackthorne will have rebuilt his ship after his 10th attempt and turned to piracy as revenge against Toranaga for continuously burning down his ship. Mariko will be revealed to have survived the blast (hence us not seeing her funeral) and spying for Toranaga as his brother's 8th consort. Fuji will become the most badass gun-toting nun in Japan, doing headshots everywhere with dual matchlock pistols. And Yabushige will rise up from the sea as a headless zombie. So excited for season 2!
How much grass can one man have to mow Edit: THIS MAN HAS A JET ENGINE AND 10 ACRES OF GRASS TO MOW Edit 2: You guys have gotta get sound proofing or something it's so hard to enjoy the reaction with the constant background noise.
38:38 How can you watch TV for a living and still be this clueless? Oh, I know, because you spend all your time in your own heads rather than paying attention to what's being shown on the screen.
1:00:48 Hey, on great sagas of intrigue and war, there's The Romance of Three Kingdoms 😎 Now which adaptation, 1994 version's the best and actively fansubbed into English. Maybe the bros can watch it on their own.
Just a note - the "flash forward" was just in John's head - imaging he'll return home but never move past this tragedy. Its why they emphasise the rosary he's holding. Him throwing away the rosary at the end is to confirm that doesn't come to pass and doesn't return to England (reflecting the historical William Adams who lived his remaining life and died in Japan)
Episode 10 Anjin is truly a completely different person from Episode 1 Blackthorne. I think Episode 1 Blackthorne - stubborn and determined to survive and return to England, no matter what - could probably have become that old man. But not the Anjin we see in this episode.
I see it as that potential future, growing old in England, truly died in the moment John's thoughts flashed to that dream as he stood on that hill and resolved to die for the sake of the village. Because that was also the moment that Episode 1 John, who would never have willingly given away his life, definitively ceased to be.
I'm 90% sure it is explicitly stated in Gaijin and maybe in Taipan (not so sure) that he did in fact remain in Japan until his death. You can't entirely rely on historical analogues to validly infer details of Clavells stories, historical characters are usually very loosely based on their actual lives.
@@derfliv206 Which is what I said...
Outside of interpersonal drama, its everything else is pretty close to 1:1
@@derfliv206 I 'll give 10 percent to the 90 and yes, he did.
He had a Japanese wife, was officially recognized as a samuarai, led the construction of the first western-style ships and led several expeditions to South-East Asia.
His tomb 三浦按針之墓( Miura Anjin no haka ) is located in Hirado.
He regularly wrote letters to his British wife.
However, as the Shōgun had decided that William Adams (Blackthorne) was now dead and that he was now Miura Anjin, he was no longer considered married in Japan.
He died relatively young at the age of 56 and never saw his original homeland again.
He left his inheritance to his Japanese wife and his British wife and her daughter, as well as to his children in Japan, Joseph and Susanna.
@@stephanthomas4410 oh yeah, for sure. I meant more in terms of the fictional universe, where details of the story are often revealed in later novels or previous novels.
There's a mini folktake in Japan, used to teach about the different temperaments of the Three Unifiers, about a monk who asked each of the three men what they'd do with a songbird that wouldn't sing.
Oda said "kill it."
Toyotomi said "force it to sing."
Tokugawa said "just wait, it'll sing."
Toranaga, like his historical inspiration, is such a fascinating figure. Arguably a villain in an interpersonal sense - a consummate schemer and manipulator who never hesitates to sacrifice the lives of everyone around him, even friends and family, to achieve his goals - but undoubtedly a hero in the bigger picture. Not many national founders throughout history can rightly claim that, in the aftermath of a generations-long civil war, they built a state which avoided war entirely for over 250 years.
Replying to myself just to avoid my comment being too long and rambling, but it makes me happy to hear Caleb say he wants to learn more about the real Tokugawa Ieyasu. While vacationing in Nikko some years back I had the chance to visit his tomb and the Tokugawa Ieyasu Museum there, and he's definitely been one of my favorite historical figures ever since. Not just his story and accomplishments, but the bits of writing and wisdom he left behind have really stuck with me. I think my personal favorite saying of his is "drinking only of victory without tasting defeat is poisonous to the soul."
彼は自身の政策の失敗や軍事的失態も部下に命じて事細かに、絵にまでして記録させた日本人から見ても稀有な統一者です。 最も好きな将軍は誰かと言うのは人によって様々ですが家康もやはり他の有名な武将にはない多くの魅力を持っています。 戦争の無い250年！ とんでもない期間ですよね。 ローマ皇帝アウグストゥスの約200年より長いのは徳川幕府くらいではないでしょうか
お2人のリアクションが好きです♪
チェスの駒…日本の将棋と同じ。
陣地取りの戦いで相手さえも味方につけ、忠誠心を試し、そうでない者は最大に利用して切り捨てる。
それさえも彼のストーリー。
戦わずして勝つ…
家康は頭が良すぎます😊
日本にいらしたときは、大阪城も良いですが、名古屋(愛知県)でも多くの家康に関連する物を観覧することができます✨
"Why tell a dead man the future" If you remember Yabushige told OMI this in the first episode. So it could be said that OMI was working with toranaga from the beginning.
Omi probably made his choice and spilled the beans about everything, but I doubt he was with Toranaga from the beginning. There wouldn't be any point for Muraji to be a spy this whole time, if Toranaga already had Omi in his pocket.
@@feo_san Yeah, many people believe it was Yabushige's assistant who spied on him for Toranaga. He was always next to him and would have heard that comment.
If there is one thing this series teaches, everybody has a third heart. Toronaga, Blackthorn, Yabushige, Omi, even Gin
@@hackapump I am SO glad to see other people suggesting this. Everyone jumps on the idea "Omi was a spy!" but it honestly makes zero sense; because there are no scenes to reflect this and in fact rather show he would have been an awful informant. It wasn't until after Toranaga's son died that Omi had any reconsideration for the path he was on (which as a reminder, was Omi's fault in some part, along with that cannon incident; neither of which Toranaga seemed pleased about. What a great spy!). If Omi told Toranaga about that line, it was almost certainly after Yabu and the gang left for Osaka. Meaning Yabu's assistant (who does have a name though it is never said in the show) is the only person that makes sense.
He's in most every scene Yabu is in, was there to give Yabu Ishido's orders to help the capture Miriko (and wasn't getting strung up by Toranaga by association) and was one of two people who was there to see him off before he died, 'Have a good death', he was literally watching him and the last person to interact with him right until he was in Toranaga's hands.
The scene where Yabu says that line, his assistant was clearly in frame behind him and it seems so unlikely that was by accident; and then they have Yabu, Omi and him all together again right before Toranaga reminds us of that once again.
お二人が最終話に辿り着くのを待ってました。
多くの海外視聴動画で、冒頭の年老いたブラックソーンと海に捨てたロザリオとの矛盾に戸惑う方が多く「Dream of a Dream」の副題に繋げて気付く方が少なかったので演出の難解さが感じられましたが、それだけに「あれはブラックソーンが妄想した未来だ」と気が付いた時の感動も大きい物でした。
お二人に共感するポイントとして、既に決定したシーズン２、３があります。 この１０話で「Shogun」はかなり完成されたストーリーと感じました。 それだけに不安も感じています。 過去の例を見ても予め予定されていた続編なら脚本もしっかりあって成功するケースが多く、人気が出たからと急遽作られた続編は失敗するケースが多いので...。 もう製作は決まったとの事なので、成功を祈るしかありません。
A descendant of the clan (Hosokawa) that served as the model for Toda Buntaro and Mariko became Japan's prime minister in the 1990s.
Rewatching this series again with you both has been a real treat. I am happy you found it and enjoyed it so much.
John will never return home. Any return to England to see his grandkids is a mere Dream of a Dream.
What a great mini-series!
Shame it's getting a second season XD
I love the callbacks in the final episode, Toranaga's "Why tell a dead man the future?" is what Yabushige said in the first episode. Fumi's "Let your hands be the last one to hold her" is what Mariko told her at the death of her child. Even John calling himself "Enemy/Teki" to Toranaga is calling back to 'Teki' being one of the first Japanese words he learnt when they first met.
This is the difference between (East) Asian narrative and Western narrative, that is the protagonist in the East might not always the ones who is in focus. As stories are usually told in long episodic nature with multiple focus, this version of Shogun is told in a quintessential Eastern way. I think for me as an East Asian, I’m already familiar with this type of narrative, so when I first saw Blackthorne done by this fashion, I already know that being the one who is the outsider and to observe and learn the course of his interaction still maintain him as the protagonist, though I would say in Shogun, it’s more of a three-hander between Blackthorne, Mariko and Toranaga.
In fact, Blackthorne slowly becomes a more and more opaque character in the show, which is one of the most difficult roles to play when you need to slowly play a person to a concept, and Cosmo Jarvis’ performance is so rare and exceptional from most other actors as his sensuality delivered in Blackthorne is abundant while he’s being so light and tender when it comes to revealing vulnerability towards his ‘third heart’ with a sense of ‘being’. (This has everything to do of how this show is queering the original Western narrative in the book as well as the male gaze of the similar genre on screen, but that’s another whole new chapter to discuss.)
For me, Blackthorne’s virtue is passion and directness, never his marine skills, but then that’s also why Toranaga attracts to him because it speaks to him, things that he both lacks but also is able to use to control Blackthorne himself. To me, he loves Blackthorne more than he loves Mariko or Hiromatsu because he senses that Blackthorne is not someone who would just follow orders, but this is also the reason why he needs him more than others because he sees individuality in him with a sense of dignity (unlike Yabushige), a mirror to Toranaga himself as a reminder.
Good insight. Americans are most familiar with this Eastern narrative style you are talking about from oldschool kaiju movies where there is some psychic child that has a connection to the monster. The monster is a force of nature and and only understandable to the audience with the help of the kid. But it is of course a specific case of an overall style, as you said. Toranaga appears to almost everyone as a force of nature, "controlling the wind" as it were, especially to outsider Blackthorne, who slowly comes to understand things better. Same to a degree with Mariko and the Japanese cultural/political way in general.
This is more strongly exemplified in the 1980 miniseries which didn't subtitle the Japanese dialogue. A real outsider experience for most of the American audience, picking up things as they went along with Blackthorne. This version you get a lot more of the Japanese characters as fully indepth human beings, just in fact listening to the wind despite appearances.
I have thoroughly enjoyed your reactions and analysis to this masterpiece of a series, hope you do more live action shows!
and there goes the best character in this story, Yabushige, F...
To agree with other comments (and the actual showrunners), the “flash forwards” are dreams of a future beyond Japan.
I agree that this is the perfect ending to the series, but even if they time jump past the Battle of Sekigahara, that isn’t the end of the conflict. Ishido might be done, but there’s like 35 years to deal with the rest of the Council AND Lady Ochiba before the 200 year shogunate without wars takes off
I love Shogun and have watched a number of reactors on TH-cam. I think you guys understand it and are the biggest fans of all the ones I’ve seen. Bravo gentleman.👏👏👏 I think you BOTH would ABSOLUTELY love The Last Kingdom on Netflix. It is about the formation of England in the 9th and 10th century. It is a historical fiction series based on AMAZING books called The Saxon Stories by Bernard Cornwell. The main character is fictional but the events and other major characters are real people. If you think Toronaga/Tokugawa Ieyasu is great King Alfred the Great is FANTASTIC! Just give at least Season 1 Episode 1 a try. I promise you will LOVE it! The acting is AMAZING! I really hope you will just try it even if it’s not for the channel and for yourselves.
The genius of this episode is that it left so much possible content for season 2! Season 2 (which is on the writer's block right now) is going to be awesome.
Finally your SHOGUN reactions are over...a little sad. Thanks for the fun reactions. I always looked forward to them.
I wonder what season 2 will be like...scary but fun. I'll be happy to see Fuji's life as a nun.
There is Japanese folklore, I believe, about giant catfish causing earthquakes. Hence Yabushige's fumbling for catfish in a pool at the beginning of this epside. So many layers and details in this adaptation. Someone better versed in Japanese lore can provide details.
i cannot believe Yabushige grunted his way into our hearts just for Tadanobu Asano to be snubbed of an Emmy.
Better than the original miniseries. Better than the book. But back then, this story is why I vacationed to Japan soon after ;-)
So happy you enjoyed the show. If you’re still looking for a historical intrigue show I’d recommend Longest Day in Changan
i hope the next seasons are good, but greed generally only creates shit...
The next seasons will be less Show and more Gun 🙃
It can or not have 2nd season. But should be a waste money for producers, since we know how well received the show was for the critics. Anyway, great show!
There are sequels. Not as well-known, but they exist.
@@Scarabswarm Those are not sequels but rather cover an entirely new set of characters in a new time period. The "sequels" are more of an anthology series about stories set in Japan and other Eastern countries.
@@Birthday888 I suppose you are right that anthology would be closer since the books refer back to each other, rather than being completely unconnected stories. IIRC (it has been a long while), the instigating event in Noble House, was something that happened in King Rat. So, while the characters may be new, the stories do follow a consistent thread.
Loved your comments. Your insights into the story were way more sophisticated and nuanced that other reactors I viewed. You got me thinking a lot more about story connections.
While listening to your analysis, I had a thought. Mariko's death can be compared to the gardeners. Hear me out. The gardener removes an "evil" from the community and pays for breaking the law with his own life. Mariko says he got a death better than he could have wished for. Mariko goes to Osaka to communicate with Ochiba and create chaos among the Council of Reagents to remove an "evil" from the Relm. She breaks the law by trying to leave Osaka without a permit and she pays with her life. Mariko has wanted death the entire series and Toranaga has provided her a better death than she could have wished for. She helps to save the Relm and becomes a prominant figure in Japanese history. She would not have had that if Buntaro had allowed her to commit seppuku.
英語の勉強も兼ねて楽しく拝見させていただいてます。
Netflixのサンクチュアリのリアクションもみたいです^^
i watched sanctuary recently and LOVED IT !!! so emotional !!!
The price for Blackthornes life was his ship. It had to be one of them that could not be allowed to live on for being a threat to the black ship and the trade of the christian daimyos. And Mariko chose to sacrifice the ship - with Toranagas approval.
Or rather with Toranagas doing, for Toranaga was the one responsible for the destruction of the ship.
1:56. Yabushige knows he's fried, and is desperately searching for a way out.
These writers presented plans as being much more involved and engaging than real life ended up being. Or maybe they couldn't marry the idea of the Regents turning on Ishido with their rather narrow slice of story. But thats what makes me excited for season 2, where they are "only" constricted by real life, and not the book on top.
What I don't understand is what everyone sees in Toranaga. What did he do to merit the deepness of his followers' loyalty.
In the entire series, only 3 characters saw through Toranaga's bullshit and know his true nature, all 3 of them share the same thing as Toranaga, a rough life. It's because they also suffered from the worst Shukumei, that's why they understand in order to survive that and twist it into something favorable, one must be sly, and above all else, ambitious. You simply cannot survive such hardship without that burning ambition fueling you
That's why Lady Ochiba hates Toranaga's guts, that's why Lady Gin knew Toranaga wasn't actually giving up, and we can assume that's also why Father Dell'Aqua never dropped his guard on Toranaga. And I also love this "evil" side of Toranaga was hinted multiple times, like when he talked to Lady Gin, he acted virtuous and honorable by accepting her request for a stick of his time, yet he picked the shortest stick possible, which Lady Gin noticed as well
At the end of the day, it's all just like what the 1st episode said, what kind of man wields power in a land like Japan? It's someone like Toranaga, the ones you never even see coming. John Blackthorne's downfall comes from the fact he never hides his 3rd heart, from day 1 he has been antagonizing the catholics in a country full of catholics, literally he got his man killed in Ep 1 because he immediately talked back to the translator, that's why the priest framed him as pirates
Ok hear me out. Based on my sources I have confirmation on what will happen on Season 2.
Toranaga will ride into battle on his white horse as shown in the Season1 posters.
Blackthorne will have rebuilt his ship after his 10th attempt and turned to piracy as revenge against Toranaga for continuously burning down his ship.
Mariko will be revealed to have survived the blast (hence us not seeing her funeral) and spying for Toranaga as his brother's 8th consort.
Fuji will become the most badass gun-toting nun in Japan, doing headshots everywhere with dual matchlock pistols.
And Yabushige will rise up from the sea as a headless zombie.
So excited for season 2!
How much grass can one man have to mow
Edit: THIS MAN HAS A JET ENGINE AND 10 ACRES OF GRASS TO MOW
Edit 2: You guys have gotta get sound proofing or something it's so hard to enjoy the reaction with the constant background noise.
I didn't hear any, but my headphones are pretty shit.
i noticed after reading this 😅
38:38 How can you watch TV for a living and still be this clueless? Oh, I know, because you spend all your time in your own heads rather than paying attention to what's being shown on the screen.
1:00:48
Hey, on great sagas of intrigue and war, there's The Romance of Three Kingdoms 😎
Now which adaptation, 1994 version's the best and actively fansubbed into English. Maybe the bros can watch it on their own.
100% agree, the Three Kingdoms series is fucking awesome.