Villains Too Stupid To Win - Who is next? 1. M.Bison (Street Fighter 1994) 2. The Holnists (The Postman 1997) 3. Petyr Baelish (Game of Thrones TV show) 4. Gul Dukat (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine) 5. The Wet Bandits (Home Alone 1 & 2) 6. Damon Killian and the Stalkers (The Running Man 1987) To access the vote and other perks, please consider signing up to my Patreon page here: www.patreon.com/mediazealot Feel free to comment below with your suggestions for other contenders.
I think Gul Dukat was kinda capable at some point, then he completely lost it after the loss of Bajor and then, even more, when his daughter died. So make a video about him.
Yeah, even Robocop seemed surprised by how useless ED-209 turned out to be. Robocop: "I need to create some distance! I'll go down this stairwell, re-arm, regroup, and come up with a plan to-...Oh, I guess the stairs were enough."
@leo11lim They showed ED-209 failing a climbing test at the beginning of RoboCop 2 and being easily hacked in RoboCop 3. ED-209 was basically useless after RoboCop 1.
Johnson was my favorite character in the series. It was interesting seeing him rise through the ranks while keeping his head below the water and surviving countless disasters while outliving several of his employers. He was kind of a true neutral evil character.
Lawful evil... he used the rules and regulations of his company to leverage his power so his advancement was more rock-solid than those who bypass said "obstacles". Sociopaths, the high-functioning ones, are masters of such tactics. That being said, Johnson was a 10/10 bad guy.
@@artsylowtekk2502, he'd be one of the few people on the board saying, "Hey: maybe trying to acquire highly dangerous Xenomorphs isn't the greatest strategy for increasing profits." I'd love to see a Johnson-like character in the Alien series. It would be great.
While exaggerated, OCP is sadly realistically believable as a successful company. Including acts like not even caring if absurdly expensive projects work. (Have you seen the downright broken money sinks that have been real US military projects within the last century?) The only part of OCP that doesn't hold up today is that the top execs actually seem to care about OCP continuing to exist, rather than pocketing as much as they can before golden parachuting themselves into another company.
ehhh the military is a bad choice it doesn't care about money it cares about how much expensive cool shit they can get it's not a company it's a military
The scene with the ED 209 killing the junior executive was done twice. The director felt it wasn't bloody enough the first time and reshot it. The guy that got killed, loves that he was killed in the movie.
@@Tommykey07 Because these people are morons, which is the point. They knew thing was a complete lemon, were going to put it on the streets as a police unit anyway, regardless of the horrific casualties and collateral that would result, so that they could THEN sell it to the military, rather than just sell it as a military unit from the start, even though it'd still be a complete lemon
The idea behind OCP moving into non military civilian areas, was so that they could test their weapon concepts before they marketed them as weaponry, and save themselves some R&D as well as government oversight. Basically the same idea they reused for the Fallout games with Vault-Tech.
" Basically the same idea they reused for the Fallout games with Vault-Tech." Except not really. Originally the Vault Experiments were sociological experiments done to gather data in the event that the nuclear war f***ed the planet beyond salvation and the Enclave had to temporarilily relocate in a space base. Then Bethesda took control of the IP and transformed the Experiments into "everything goes", Which makes no sense because the experiments started AFTER the bombs fell. And at that point what are the results good for?
That's the thing nobody seems to question, how does vault tech use the data of the vaults, IF THERE IS NO VAULT TECH TO BEGIN WITH??? Did everybody forgot that vault tech is dead after the bombs fell?
@@MechanicWolf85 There are vaults out (obviously in the game's universe lol) there that have the Vault-Tech executives and US government leaders in cold storage. Just like the Vault in Fallout 3 with Dr Braun.
I think the reason ED209 was useless in an "urban pacification" role was because OCP always intended it to be for military application - anti-infantry/anti-material role. Trying to jam this walking tank into a policing role was just a way of squeezing more profits. Verhovens satire is incredibly smart and prescient and often gets ignored because his movies are also Bay-level explodey.
That’s one thing I like about the remake. They showed ED-209s in the pacification of Iraq, and those things were absolute beasts. The only reason the robocop project took off in the remake was because they were too lethal and didn’t have an accurate Civilian/Hostile system, prompting OCP to go with the human part as a fallback.
The 2nd Amendment(revised by Skynet) "A well regulated RoboForce, being necessary to the security of an Electronic State, the right of the Robotic Killing Machines to keep, bear and wantonly use Arms upon humans, shall not be infringed."
@@demi-femme4821 If you google "live ammunition accident" there's actually dozens of articles of these things happening. 'Punta Gorda police thought gun that killed woman only had blanks' 'Soldier Fires On Apache With Live Ammo' 'F-16 that crashed into building was armed with live ammo' 'Remembering A Near Disaster: US Accidentally Drops Nuclear Bombs On Itself And Its Allies' whoopsie
In California, there's a small car manufacturer named "Rezvani Motors" that builds SUVs that look like tanks and are equipped with stuff like electrified door handles, strobe lights and mirrors that shoot pepper spray. When I heard about them, I immediately felt reminded of that commercial in Robocop where a carjacker gets electrocuted.
I think he meant the movie predicted precisely Detroit's filing for bankruptcy on an $18.5 Billion debt, in 2013. But yeah, Detroit wasn't doing well at the time, either. Cheers!
@shoshenkis Yeah. I lived in Pontiac when RoboCop came out. Pontiac was bad by most people's standards, but we relieved ourselves by acknowledging that at least we didn't live in Detroit.
That Black guy with the glasses that's always running behind the CEO you can't tell me he isn't the Black version of Smithers and the CEO definitely behaves like Mr. Burns especially in the second RoboCop movie.
RoboCop predates The Simpsons (the 30 minute long episodes, not the Tracy Ulmann shorts)so one could make the case that the characters are cartoon parodies of those RoboCop characters.
3:13 "Detroit. At the start of Robocop it is already a decaying urban hellhole, filled with heavily armed trigger happy maniacs." Well, starting off strong with the realism.
Robocop wasn't based on Spawn. Robocop can out in July 1987 and Spawn didn't come out until nearly 6 years later in May 1992. You are right he WAS based on Judge Dredd. It was also based on the Japanese toku series Space Sheriff Gavin and Marvel comic character ROM the Space Knight.
Oh crap, youre right. I assumed Spawn comics came out earlier, I should've googled that gah. I had read about some strong similarities between Spawn and Robocop. Obviously, if there is any direct influence, it must be Robocop influencing Spawn.
@@DonFatherTrump lmao the US is worse than the UK on average wait times, though only marginally in some areas. Seems like you might have delusions about the grandeur of our shitty private system.
Fun fact: the first guy to get turned into hamburger by ED-209 is played by a guy with whom I studied acting. It was a long time ago, and I'm sure he's changed, but at the time he was kind of a jerk. I used to go to _Robocop_ with all the other actors who knew him. We went repeatedly. When he started getting shot full of holes, we'd all cheer and clap. The other people in the theater thought we must be really psychotic for enjoying it so much.
@@Palocles sorry I didn't see this sooner. Ken was a fun guy. I used to lift weights with him, and I know he thought us cheering him being shot was good natured. I actually have a story about lifting weights with him ... We were doing squats one time, and I was on my last rep, which as usual was the hardest to finish. As a dutiful partner, he was coaching me on. Suddenly, he blurted out of nowhere: "C'mon, Bill, get it up there! Ya gotta have _biiiig_ legs to take curtain calls!!" I burst out laughing and damned near killed myself trying to not collapse under the weight. Another time, we were auditioning for a musical, which means you have to sing. Ken chose the song "I Get a Kick Out of You" from the musical _Anything Goes_ . The second verse of the song begins with, "Some get a kick from cocaine." Well, Ken was a recovering addict, something he made no secret of. When he hit that verse, he really over-sold it, and those of us watching couldn't help but start cracking up -- which was his intent. I have a lot fond memories of Ken. 😁
@@AndrooUK not sure what you mean by this. You disliked my anecdote? Not sure why -- the cheering was entirely good-natured. Nobody actually wanted Ken dead, in fact we were happy he got that and a number of other film roles. He'd moved by then, but knowing him as I did, I'm sure he'd've enjoyed it.
Everything about corporate greed is summed up in this one line of dialog Dick Jones: .......I had a guaranteed military sale with ED 209 - renovation program, spare parts for twenty-five years... Who cares if it worked or not?
And no corporate tax cuts from the government going to the renovation program, and spare parts because it all goes to inflating the value of company stocks a.k.a. stock buybacks, and CEO bonuses, which is what happens in reality. So, when Dick Jones said Ed 209 might not work, and nobody would care, that's why.
in its defense, ED-209 could very well been a military robot billed as a police weapon, continuing the long tradition of reusing banned military weapons on civilians, like they did with chemical weapons. It absolutely makes sense as a military platform
Something I figured out recently: Ed-209 didnt malfunction. Dick Jones knew about security concepts being a backup, which is why they were at the meeting. Then he volunteers Mr.Kenny to demonstrate ED-209. This was his way of telling Bob and security concepts to not mess with him.
look at boeing, it's just like OCP but in the real life. companies can get away with anything thanks to lobbying. OCP is like most companies in the 80s and 90s.
When me and my friends rewatched these recently, we referred to Johnson as the cockroach, since he had danger instincts like no one else in the series. He legit survives everything, and probably would survive OCP firing too.
OCP profits from marketing and sales. Toys, cereal movies cartoons would make back a lot of OCP's money but they could also sell the Robocops to other cities along with a repair service. Never give them the means to repair the cops themselves but offer them the ability to ask you to repair them it's as simple as that, just ask Google or Apple.
That sounds like a Dick plan. As an OCP officer, I see no way that plan could fail whatsoever. I don't even have to think about it. Enthusiastic clapping time.
Pharma CEO: "You know that life saving medication that we make, which we used government grants to R&D in the first place at no cost to ourselves? Lets mark the price up 9,000 percent and lobby the government to not put in price controls!"
Darla Lathan look up the phone calls between Enron’s energy stock traders at the height of the California energy crisis. You can just picture these guys twirling their handlebar mustaches. He’ll, one of them had a picture taken wearing a devil costume, grinning like a psycho.
Man, you should really read up on how military complex does businesses, you might be shocked how regular and successful this approach to government deals is:D
A few years ago, Atlanta PD got new cars that have a very similar shape to the police cars in Robocop, but with bars and rams, and I remember thinking, "Well, here we go."
7:22 "A dysfunctional corporation filled with overconfident morons..." That's the most plausible part of all this: there are findings that show many people in high positions in most companies are their not because of their suitability for the job, but in spite of it
In a lot of cases leadership, and morality doesn't matter. You could be a total sociopath, but if you studied business and accounting, and got a manager's certification program in college you belong to the true religion while everyone else who isn't morally flawed with common sense are considered the heretics, and denied any upward advancement.
I realize this comment is really old, but I believe it is called the Peter principle. Incompetent people are promoted to let the next floor up deal with them as in people that are hard to fire.
I actually tried using this series as a reference to make my villains as believable as possible, but I genuinely couldn’t think of a way to have the protagonist(s) succeed if I did. Advice?
An arrogant mistake was the first thing to come to mind(it's pretty cliché though). If the baddy has comrades one could defect and release some intel to form a high risk plan. A earlier character that was forgotten about(though you may not have someone like this and even if you did he'd need some high social standing and leadership skills to assist judging by how powerful I'm guessing your villain is). Some sort of weakness like a prostitution or drug addiction. A power up for your protagonist. A really clever bluff from your protagonist. Sometimes the good guys lose.(though these endings are difficult to do and you may be better off with mutual destruction) And the best of all *the power of friendship* I just listed some endings I've read and seen in the media I like. In all honesty you may have to rewrite your story a few times, getting a good ending is very difficult and the longer your story is the more difficult finding the right ending could be. I'd recommend looking at short stories from different artists, or looking at some forms online as I am just a heavy consumer of narratives so my opinions should be taken with some salt. I do wish you the best of luck with your writing though, what's it about anyways I may have some interest in reading it.
IT should be based on what the villains skills are imho, i.e. if they use robots like in this movie, you should probably have a tech genius who could disable or take control over their robots or create ones that are better than the villains, or like how in batman begins they taint the water supply, if someone new how to create an antidote or neutralize the chemical that would be realistic> I would leave room for some things where you would have to suspend your disbelief a little though just to make it more interesting and we do sometimes read to escape reality for a bit so a mixture of believable and "artistic license" is excusable. hope this at least sparks some thoughts for you, and good luck with your book.
The fact that ocp ever got off the ground would imply that they actually had successful products besides their biggest downfall. My biggest question is ...HOW!?
"We practically are the Military" - OCP Director. They first started selling their weaponry to the Army, then started testing their new toys on Detroit because it was cheaper. ED-209 even got approved on 6 other cities at the start of the second movie, meaning the ads team and the Human Resources team are doing WONDERS and MAGIC to sell them after what happened on the first movie.
It's like the Walt Disney company l, they use to be successful but then when the exclusives start getting arrogant and cocky the downfall starts happening!!
I appreciate the name "Too Stupid To Win" because it doesn't imply that they couldn't exist or even that they're unrealistic, just that they couldn't win against the protagonists. Also this holds the same place in my mind as Zootopia; irl ACAB, but that doesn't mean that I can't enjoy stuff with fictional cops not being bastards.
Rich the Unstable they cover over the Taco Bell sign plus they don’t get served pizza either it’s always been Taco Bell just don’t know why the change to Pizza Hut it was funny tho
As a corporate legal and compliance officer, OCP’s bungling lawlessness looks even more absurd to me than it did when RoboCop first came out when I was a kid. Throughout the RoboCop series, there are a few scenes where company lawyers are brought in for damage control, but I sometimes think that OCP is what would happen to many large companies if they had no internal compliance people like me, with both legal and business education, to vet projects BEFORE they became giant public F-ups that the external lawyers have to try to clean up.
The main problem with a lot of the earlier complaints is that it was a case of OCP being big enough that one department didn’t know what the other was doing. They say early on that the only reason the Robocop project even exists is because of problems with the ED 209 project. The CEO doesn’t know how corrupt Dick Jones is so he’s not worried about Robocop coming back at them because in his mind they’ve done nothing wrong. Dick meanwhile tries to kill the Robocop project at every opportunity.
Conshumer. There's something poetic about reviewing a movie that satires rampart consumerism by advertising a consumer product not even two minutes into your video.
He's kinda right, until the _Health Maintenance Organization Act of 1973_ healthcare was not run to be profit based. And 1983 is the year that private prisons for profit began operation in the United States.
Here's an interesting group of Villains, if you're into literature, or animated shows - the various Vermin Horde leaders of the Redwall series by Brian Jaques. 22 novels, and three seasons of animated shows based off of three of the books. The series is usually centered in a region known as Mossflower, specifically in a location called Redwall Abbey. Most of the characters are of the rodent variety, mice, moles, voles, shrews, hedgehogs, rats, stoats, weasels, ferrets, with hares, badgers, foxes, wildcats, wolverines, and various birds and reptiles thrown in as need be. Redwall is a place of plenty - food, water, shelter, healing knowledge - and it seems that every villain that shows up, wants to take it over. Some have come close, but it always seems like, at the last possible moment, the Warrior of Redwall shows up with The Sword, and a whole lot of friends, and soon the Horde is lucky if any survive the Retreat! Now, Redwall, by itself, has no standing armed forces, with the Sword of Martin the Warrior being picked up by whomever the Spirit of Martin chooses to take on the role of Warrior in times of need, for the most part. But, nearby are the Gousim Shrews, and the local Otter groups, plus various squirrel bands, who act as something of an effective militia, specializing in hit-and-run tactics, and basically convincing small vermin bands that "Coming here is your Death!" Against more serious foes, there is the Long Patrol hares from Salmadastron Mountain, who are basically the RAF on foot, always saying "Wot, wot?", but it can be something of an adventure getting there and coming back. Then there's the Vermin Hordes. Oddly enough, the ones who are pirates and corsairs must have access to decent technology, as they have access to ships, of the sort that can hold 100+ crew members of various ranks. Also, they tend to show up in numbers. Thing is, they tend to be filled with scheming backstabbers, ones who would kill the fella next to them, if they thought that they could get away with it. They also seem to think that if you kill the Boss, you become the Boss. Horde Leaders also tend to be cruel, killing loyal followers for no reason beyond something as trivial as "You dropped your shield while on Inspection!" Thing is, it seems that the Rank-and-File Vermin would be content doing things like farming, fishing, and generally living peacefully, until someone decides "I want to make a Name for Myself" and forcefully drags all the other vermin under their leadership under the threat of "Join, or Die!". Beyond joining to keep the Boss from killing them, and the promise of Loot and Plunder, or a desire for power, there's usually no motive for the average horde member to stay, aside from threat of a horrible death. In fact, some of them do occasionally pull off an effective "Screw this, I'm outta here!" and desert the Horde, surviving the book at any rate. The smartest Horde Leaders I've noticed are Verdauga Greeneyes, a Wildcat who'd taken over the area prior to Redwall being built - after crushing the local resistance, he was smart enough to forge a truce/peace with the Woodlanders, and used his forces to keep other vermin bands away, and collect "taxes", and while the locals didn't like him, they tolerated him. However, his daughter, Tsarmina, ruined this peace when she murdered Verdauga, and became a tyrant. Funny enough, her brother, Gingivere, wasn't a bad sort, who actually assisted the woodlanders, after they rescued him from a false imprisonment when he was framed for the murder of his father. He became a farmer after the war. Another smart Horde Leader was Bowfleg the Warlord. He was an overweight ferret who didn't do much, but was content with the area that he and his band had settled in. Then he got murdered by Swartt Sixclaw, who wanted to use the band for his own purposes. Then, there is Tramun Clogg - a pirate stoat, whose crew actually liked him. His problem was that he had made a few mistakes in the battle with Badrang, his former partner-turned-enemy, least of which being that his ship was destroyed, and Badrang eventually captured him and the crew, enslaving Clogg and giving the crew the choice between death, slavery, or joining his horde. Other Vermin Horde leaders are sometimes smart enough to go "Wait, attacking Redwall is a bad idea. Let's just kidnap someone and demand what it is we want, or terrorize the countryside." Doesn't always work out the way they want it.
"Traditionally non-profit, including hospitals and prisons" Yeah as if the accent didn't already give it away, this dude clearly doesn't live in the US...
I feel bad for the young businessman who got the Murphy treatment in the meeting room, he had his entire life ahead of him but he got killed by pure stupidity
The over the top ads are hilarious. What some don't know is the fictional car in the first one, the 6000 SUX itself was a parody. In the 80s, Pontiac released a model simply called the 6000 (ironically some might call the SUX treatment an improvement, style-wise) and the car it's a parody of was that crap.
That ad plug being read in the same tone of voice fooled me into not realizing it was being read. And as usual, those Star Trek scene quotes are a perfect spice to this video essay.
video starts at 3:13 ;) love the intro, and thank you for the optional vpn ad skip we suffer to often on the daily with non-skippable ads yours thankfully is well done
I can't help but wonder if OCP's portrayal of comically incompetent was some sort of ploy to lull people into either assuming all mega-corporations are the same way, while the real mega-corporations are far smarter than the ones in the movies while still being as equally nefarious and doing a much better job at seeming benign.
I mean there are plenty of disasterous demonstrations in real life. The M247 Sergeant York tried to shoot at a bunch of congressmen, which the technicians stopped before it fired. It's a real life example almost mirroring the ED-209 demonstration.
It would’ve been so cool if they made the sequel about an almost identical robo-copy, just jet black or something for visual distinction. Bonus points for them doing the same moves against each other (I’m disappointed that robo-copy didn’t pay off)
I dunno about the idea that without adequate police, crime wouldn’t increase immediately. The last few years in the US, cities that backed away from proactive policing saw a fair increase of crime.
This is actually one thing the new 2014 Robocop did well and "fixed" The OCP in that movie already had multiple efficient law enforcement robots, They only needed to turn a human officer into a cyborg because they needed A living symbol people could feel like they're safe around and rally behind. They also anticipated that Murphy would turn against them and tried to Implement multiple failsafes, to the point where Murphy only won because He had help from others including some of the scientists that made him.
This is literally what’s going on get rid of the state police so billionaires and corporations can have their own security services while us working class people have nothing
There was a place IRL where the police went away and crime immediately skyrocketed. There was a city in Europe where the police have went on strike about their wages in the 80s or 90s, and in the first night after the strike six banks were robbed and the city started to begin going full Purge chaos mode.
@@christophersmith8848 the brethren win throughout dead space 3 the unitologists basically pull out a win taking out earth gov but then get their teeth kicked in by and engineer and a small rag tag underdog group and only win because issaac and friends fail to understand how the machine on tau valantis works waking up a brethren moon and summoning it older siblings. Technically the markers win but the unitologists still lose in a sense as they are all dead
Is the Prophet of Truth of the Covenant from the Halo games to stupid to win considering how he rashly causes a civil war by rushing his plans and he forcibly replaces his most effective fighting force the Elites with the highly aggressive Brutes who probably never learned how to efficiently run a military campaign properly with discipline, cunning tactics, resource management, and coordination before. And Truth decided to do all of this when they were so close to victory against the humans that he and his fellow prophets were focused on destroying. He was so close to the finish line of the Human-Covenant war and he intentionally trips on a banana peel thinking it will secure his victory for sure but ended up screwing up so badly. I would argue his biggest mistake was demoting the smartest and most brilliant Admiral of the Covenant navy Thel Vadam to the Arbiter because he's wasting the greatest military asset over a failed mission that wasn't actually Thel Vadam's fault but the Prophet of Stewardship who's the guy that screwed Thel Vadam over in protecting the first Halo ring.
To be fair the elites were very close to discovering the truth anyway. Sasa refumee did spread his ideas pretty wide and was even friends with thel if he wasn’t an arbiter. So it’s likely sasa could turn others
@@christophervanoster However the majority of elites were still on the Phophets side before they alienated them from commanding pose and opertations. Why do you think they had so many zealot elites willing to kill for them?
I love how a month ago he says "a police force prevents crime, I don't believe that" And yesterday business owners in New York publically begged the mayor to refund the police because crime is sky rocketing without them around
I feel the defunding of the police should happen after a few years of funding directly into social work, housing, benefits, education ect. Because most crime is a symptom of other problems in society. Address those problems and you reduce crime
@@PandaCake978 yeah, we're gonna need to get the social workers guns, and body armor, and self defense training and cars so they can get to the scene and stop a violent person before they hurt anyone....kinda like just renaming the police force.... We need MORE eyes on the police so we can punish the rule breakers instead of just pushing the money into creating a new police force with a different name and media optics or else logically the new system will fall victim to the same problems as the old one. the police should not be breaking the law to enforce it, and we need the court of public opinion to force the courts of law to do their job and punish the bad guys....that means more funding and more transparency due to more observation. you cant solve crime, there are people like me who have no confidence in the government or law enforcemnt and will sooner throw a 3 lb can out my car and try to evade than pull over for a cop. You CAN restore confidence in the system by focusing on ending corruption and treating people fairly under the law. Charging the DA's and FBI officals who dropped the rioting charges agaist the BLM activists with obstruction of justice would be a good start IMO. But right now I can see the law only applies to one side of the political spectrum and I refuse to comply until confidence is restored.
12:08 that shit happens in real life. I present the Bradley fighting vehicle, the Stryker, the Sig Saur p365 and spear… 12:34 in my headcannon, he’s Eric Foreman, changed his name as he’s turned to crime and now looks more like his dad, Red.
I'm from a third world country where the police of a province did a strike for a day due to wage issues, and that day became a looting fiesta, with shop owners injured, home owners barricating themselves, and looters who actually died as a result of forgetting to unplug the electronics they were trying to steal. There's stories of people seeing their former clients now breaking windows to steal all they can find. I don't know US as a whole, but I'm sure the same would happen with Detroit without police. Also, you'd be amazed at the things the executives could do under pressure. The business I worked for before, which had branches in several countries, completely fucked up it's own information management system (which, agan, worked across countries) just because the executive in charge of improving it didn't want to acknowledge the new system was still not ready for work even after delays. It wasn't even that he was going to get fired or anything, he just didn't want to lose face.
Villains Too Stupid To Win - Who is next?
1. M.Bison (Street Fighter 1994)
2. The Holnists (The Postman 1997)
3.
Petyr Baelish (Game of Thrones TV show)
4. Gul Dukat (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine)
5. The Wet Bandits (Home Alone 1 & 2)
6. Damon Killian and the Stalkers (The Running Man 1987)
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The Wet Bandits are Realy to stupid, that they trait.
His Divine Shadow (Lexx).
His Decisions allowed Prisioners to flee with the most powerfull Ship.
I think Gul Dukat was kinda capable at some point, then he completely lost it after the loss of Bajor and then, even more, when his daughter died. So make a video about him.
Do temps commission from umbrella acadamy
Littlefinger would be a good choice- he constantly went out of his way to mess up his own schemes- see giving an assassin his own dagger.
Yeah, even Robocop seemed surprised by how useless ED-209 turned out to be.
Robocop: "I need to create some distance! I'll go down this stairwell, re-arm, regroup, and come up with a plan to-...Oh, I guess the stairs were enough."
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Where was Ed to fight robocop 2 or rehab use it in the battle of Detroit?
@leo11lim They showed ED-209 failing a climbing test at the beginning of RoboCop 2 and being easily hacked in RoboCop 3. ED-209 was basically useless after RoboCop 1.
What that robot just a cyborg grandpa because those stairs were his biggest weakness
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I love how seamlessly you inserted Picard into the gun shooting montage.
I had to rewind that part twice. That was beautiful.
Should be in every movie.
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It's almost in every video but it's fun
"I think you got him!"
Also, in the words of great Honest Trailers: "Omni Consumer Products. A company that seems to do everything, exept consumer products."
Johnson was my favorite character in the series. It was interesting seeing him rise through the ranks while keeping his head below the water and surviving countless disasters while outliving several of his employers. He was kind of a true neutral evil character.
Lawful evil... he used the rules and regulations of his company to leverage his power so his advancement was more rock-solid than those who bypass said "obstacles".
Sociopaths, the high-functioning ones, are masters of such tactics.
That being said, Johnson was a 10/10 bad guy.
I have heard he is now at Wayland yutani.
I can't imagine that he could mess up something there.
@@artsylowtekk2502, he'd be one of the few people on the board saying, "Hey: maybe trying to acquire highly dangerous Xenomorphs isn't the greatest strategy for increasing profits." I'd love to see a Johnson-like character in the Alien series. It would be great.
"Selling defective products isn't exactly a good long term plan"
Someone should tell this to Boeing before they loose their last engineer
Oh, boy. 2 years later and this comment aged like a fine wine.
My man called it
Ooh…
more like
TESLA
Funny how the whistleblowers all have suicidal tendencies
While exaggerated, OCP is sadly realistically believable as a successful company. Including acts like not even caring if absurdly expensive projects work. (Have you seen the downright broken money sinks that have been real US military projects within the last century?) The only part of OCP that doesn't hold up today is that the top execs actually seem to care about OCP continuing to exist, rather than pocketing as much as they can before golden parachuting themselves into another company.
ehhh the military is a bad choice it doesn't care about money it cares about how much expensive cool shit they can get it's not a company it's a military
@@marley7868 I mentioned the military specifically because the video specifically criticizes OCP's military contracts for the problematic ED-209.
@@BainesMkII yeah, goddamn Bradley.
@@killian9314 Yeah that is exhibit A on overbudget, behind schedule military contracts.
@@JamesTobiasStewart exhibit B would be the F35, but i like that bird.
"He can't actually arrest anyone, just bark orders and murder anyone who doesn't comply."
MAXIMUM OOF
just like a human cop
@@jesusmora9379 just like real blm and antifa but worst
@@majesticgothitelle1802 You don't live in reality.
@@Laff700 antifa and blm have killed 30 people in 2 month.
@@Laff700 and put many more in hospital
The scene with the ED 209 killing the junior executive was done twice. The director felt it wasn't bloody enough the first time and reshot it. The guy that got killed, loves that he was killed in the movie.
I still get a dark laugh out of "Someone Wanna Call A Goddam Ambulance?" after the guy has been hit with ALL the 20mm rounds
the longer scene is on the unrated cut. really love the bloody chunks.
Why would they even have the ED 209 supplied with live rounds for an office demonstration?
@@Tommykey07 Because these people are morons, which is the point. They knew thing was a complete lemon, were going to put it on the streets as a police unit anyway, regardless of the horrific casualties and collateral that would result, so that they could THEN sell it to the military, rather than just sell it as a military unit from the start, even though it'd still be a complete lemon
Honestly i would appear as an extra being violently killed like that for free in a movie
The idea behind OCP moving into non military civilian areas, was so that they could test their weapon concepts before they marketed them as weaponry, and save themselves some R&D as well as government oversight. Basically the same idea they reused for the Fallout games with Vault-Tech.
And any poor bastard who signed up to occupy a Vault when the bombs fell paid for their ignorance of Vault-Tec's true intentions.
" Basically the same idea they reused for the Fallout games with Vault-Tech."
Except not really. Originally the Vault Experiments were sociological experiments done to gather data in the event that the nuclear war f***ed the planet beyond salvation and the Enclave had to temporarilily relocate in a space base.
Then Bethesda took control of the IP and transformed the Experiments into "everything goes", Which makes no sense because the experiments started AFTER the bombs fell. And at that point what are the results good for?
That's the thing nobody seems to question, how does vault tech use the data of the vaults, IF THERE IS NO VAULT TECH TO BEGIN WITH??? Did everybody forgot that vault tech is dead after the bombs fell?
@@MechanicWolf85 There are vaults out (obviously in the game's universe lol) there that have the Vault-Tech executives and US government leaders in cold storage. Just like the Vault in Fallout 3 with Dr Braun.
**opens mouth and raised finger to point out...**
**realizes Neil Price is totally right**
**grunts**
**shrugs, gives a thumbs-up, and walks away**
I think the reason ED209 was useless in an "urban pacification" role was because OCP always intended it to be for military application - anti-infantry/anti-material role. Trying to jam this walking tank into a policing role was just a way of squeezing more profits. Verhovens satire is incredibly smart and prescient and often gets ignored because his movies are also Bay-level explodey.
That’s one thing I like about the remake. They showed ED-209s in the pacification of Iraq, and those things were absolute beasts. The only reason the robocop project took off in the remake was because they were too lethal and didn’t have an accurate Civilian/Hostile system, prompting OCP to go with the human part as a fallback.
I swear, the 80's and 90's movies seem like they were cursed to become reality later.
@Django Fett most of them, I mean. Demolition Man and The Running Man for example.
It's called lesser magic, you should look it up because i can't help you but it might help you see how we are all so heavily manipulated by media.
I'm waiting for goth murder victim to come back from the dead
There was a joke in Demoltian Man about Arnold Schwarzenegger becoming president of the United States... Well, he was governor of California so...
@Django Fett cant forget breakin 2: electric boogaloo. cant go a day without hearing about the boog
the one glaring issue with this film is why do they always give the robots full loads of live ammunition when they are doing testing
80s action movie logic /satire
So that the movie can happen.
The 2nd Amendment(revised by Skynet) "A well regulated RoboForce, being necessary to the security of an Electronic State, the right of the Robotic Killing Machines to keep, bear and wantonly use Arms upon humans, shall not be infringed."
That's like the one actually unrealistic flaw of OCP.
@@demi-femme4821 If you google "live ammunition accident" there's actually dozens of articles of these things happening.
'Punta Gorda police thought gun that killed woman only had blanks'
'Soldier Fires On Apache With Live Ammo'
'F-16 that crashed into building was armed with live ammo'
'Remembering A Near Disaster: US Accidentally Drops Nuclear Bombs On Itself And Its Allies'
whoopsie
In California, there's a small car manufacturer named "Rezvani Motors" that builds SUVs that look like tanks and are equipped with stuff like electrified door handles, strobe lights and mirrors that shoot pepper spray.
When I heard about them, I immediately felt reminded of that commercial in Robocop where a carjacker gets electrocuted.
i love how the AT-ST shoots down ED209, only to fall down and explode
More believable than the At-ST being destroyed by 3 foot tall bears with nothing but rocks and sticks.
AT-ST: "AND NOW I WILL DIE FOR NO RAISIN!!" *explodes*
Whoever designed the OCP corporate logo deserves an award.
It didn't really predict Detroit. Detroit was rapidly falling to shit when this movie came out.
I think he meant the movie predicted precisely Detroit's filing for bankruptcy on an $18.5 Billion debt, in 2013. But yeah, Detroit wasn't doing well at the time, either.
Cheers!
@@SalahEddineH Did the movie predict the exact year? Kudos to them if they did.
@@Sweetestsadist nah, I don't think so, I think it just predicted that the city would fall so much into debt it would have to file for bankruptcy.
@shoshenkis Yeah. I lived in Pontiac when RoboCop came out. Pontiac was bad by most people's standards, but we relieved ourselves by acknowledging that at least we didn't live in Detroit.
Sweetestsadist
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In retrospect, it's pretty comical how they never learned not to give live ammunition when demonstrating prototypes.
And how the guy loved his own robot so much he kept a copy of it hanging out in his office tromping on his luxury carpets.
That Black guy with the glasses that's always running behind the CEO you can't tell me he isn't the Black version of Smithers and the CEO definitely behaves like Mr. Burns especially in the second RoboCop movie.
RoboCop predates The Simpsons (the 30 minute long episodes, not the Tracy Ulmann shorts)so one could make the case that the characters are cartoon parodies of those RoboCop characters.
Smithers was actually black originally for like 1 or 2 episodes so that might actually be a reference
He’s the Homer’s Odyssey Smithers
3:13 "Detroit. At the start of Robocop it is already a decaying urban hellhole, filled with heavily armed trigger happy maniacs." Well, starting off strong with the realism.
Its goddamn awesome to see the corporate meeting scene in a sponsored video, not blurred, not blocked, but in its full glory.
Robocop wasn't based on Spawn. Robocop can out in July 1987 and Spawn didn't come out until nearly 6 years later in May 1992.
You are right he WAS based on Judge Dredd. It was also based on the Japanese toku series Space Sheriff Gavin and Marvel comic character ROM the Space Knight.
Oh crap, youre right. I assumed Spawn comics came out earlier, I should've googled that gah. I had read about some strong similarities between Spawn and Robocop. Obviously, if there is any direct influence, it must be Robocop influencing Spawn.
Also in the 8man manga
Really?! Gavan?? Other than both being chrome colored i don't see them looking similar.
Scott Gaultney mhmm
Off topic but gavan is really dope
Robocop didn't even come out before The Crow comic, which Todd McFarline ripped off to make Spawn.
Traditionally nonprofit areas? Like prisons and hospitals, LOL
@@trashman9948 the NHS is in the uk and UK alone.
@@trashman9948 I'll take the for profit medical system. I don't want to wait insane periods for basic tests.
@@tyranicalbadger5441 and other very similar systems in the majority of Europe and NZ.
@@DonFatherTrump lmao the US is worse than the UK on average wait times, though only marginally in some areas. Seems like you might have delusions about the grandeur of our shitty private system.
@@trashman9948 Its australian or a New Zealand accent. Not english
When dystopian Detroit is arguably better off than the real thing...
I'm waiting for a dystopian Los Angeles that runs on fear, cybernetics, and corporate willpower.
@@griffingamer8624, Cyberpunk 2077 is due to come out soon.
@@enoughothis I have no clue what that even is. Is that a book? A board game?
@@griffingamer8624 a videogame that everyone is so hyped out about it that not matter how good it is people will be dissapointed
@@griffingamer8624 I don't how you managed to pull that off but well played, regardless.
Fun fact: the first guy to get turned into hamburger by ED-209 is played by a guy with whom I studied acting.
It was a long time ago, and I'm sure he's changed, but at the time he was kind of a jerk.
I used to go to _Robocop_ with all the other actors who knew him. We went repeatedly.
When he started getting shot full of holes, we'd all cheer and clap.
The other people in the theater thought we must be really psychotic for enjoying it so much.
But he got a highly memorable part in Robocop and you guys got… what?
Nah, seriously, I hope you all got to do some good roles too.
Your medal is in the post.
[DISLIKED COMMENT.]
Unfortunately, thumbs downs don't mean anything anymore on TH-cam...
@@Palocles sorry I didn't see this sooner.
Ken was a fun guy. I used to lift weights with him, and I know he thought us cheering him being shot was good natured.
I actually have a story about lifting weights with him ...
We were doing squats one time, and I was on my last rep, which as usual was the hardest to finish. As a dutiful partner, he was coaching me on.
Suddenly, he blurted out of nowhere:
"C'mon, Bill, get it up there! Ya gotta have _biiiig_ legs to take curtain calls!!"
I burst out laughing and damned near killed myself trying to not collapse under the weight.
Another time, we were auditioning for a musical, which means you have to sing. Ken chose the song "I Get a Kick Out of You" from the musical _Anything Goes_ .
The second verse of the song begins with, "Some get a kick from cocaine." Well, Ken was a recovering addict, something he made no secret of. When he hit that verse, he really over-sold it, and those of us watching couldn't help but start cracking up -- which was his intent.
I have a lot fond memories of Ken. 😁
@@AndrooUK not sure what you mean by this. You disliked my anecdote? Not sure why -- the cheering was entirely good-natured. Nobody actually wanted Ken dead, in fact we were happy he got that and a number of other film roles. He'd moved by then, but knowing him as I did, I'm sure he'd've enjoyed it.
Everything about corporate greed is summed up in this one line of dialog
Dick Jones: .......I had a guaranteed military sale with ED 209 - renovation program, spare parts for twenty-five years... Who cares if it worked or not?
And no corporate tax cuts from the government going to the renovation program, and spare parts because it all goes to inflating the value of company stocks a.k.a. stock buybacks, and CEO bonuses, which is what happens in reality. So, when Dick Jones said Ed 209 might not work, and nobody would care, that's why.
Something tells me that Dick Jones went off to have a bright career at Boeing.
@@DonVigaDeFierro
more like
TESLA
All the problems listed here are perfectly applicable to most military R&D departments
R&D?
lordjor96 research and development
@@englandderogatory9224 thx
Military contractors were planning to field test new designs in Iraq a year before a single US troop even set foot across the border.
@@dkupke kinda like in Vietnam when our troops were the R&D
Man Murphy was not a white knight, he was a full-fledged paladin, didn't you see he could walk on water?
American Jesus
28:40 it wasn't a bad privacy policy, it was a man smart enough to see Robocop and say "not my damn problem."
in its defense, ED-209 could very well been a military robot billed as a police weapon, continuing the long tradition of reusing banned military weapons on civilians, like they did with chemical weapons. It absolutely makes sense as a military platform
ED209 worked in the remake because it patrols the streets rather than guarding a penthouse.
Something I figured out recently: Ed-209 didnt malfunction. Dick Jones knew about security concepts being a backup, which is why they were at the meeting. Then he volunteers Mr.Kenny to demonstrate ED-209. This was his way of telling Bob and security concepts to not mess with him.
You know, after daily news I think that Omni Consumer Products are as realistic as they can be
look at boeing, it's just like OCP but in the real life. companies can get away with anything thanks to lobbying. OCP is like most companies in the 80s and 90s.
ED 209, 737 MAX. Is there any difference?
Well why did Boeing stuff up so bad with the F-35 competitive fly off? Their plane looked more like a basking shark than a stealth fighter.
@@markfryer9880 when you assess a worth of a killing machine through it looks. You better not talk about it at all
@@markfryer9880 I may be Wrong... But isn't the F-35 under Lockheed?
Boeing was in competition with Lockheed for it before lockheed got the contract
"... upgrades, renovations and spare parts for 25 years! Who cares if it works or not!"
Wait, is he behind the F-35 too?
Murphy:“Where’s McDagget?”
Hotel owner: ‘Is that a killer robot coming for that corporate jackass?’
“Room 212.”
If a killer cyborg were standing in front of me and wanted an information, I would give it to him as precise as possible - and some candy for the way.
Elevator door sticks!
When me and my friends rewatched these recently, we referred to Johnson as the cockroach, since he had danger instincts like no one else in the series. He legit survives everything, and probably would survive OCP firing too.
Maybe he was destined to inherit the company
The mastermind
When a cooperate executive asks you to pick up a gun and threaten a walking tank you say............................NO!!!!!!!!!!
OCP profits from marketing and sales. Toys, cereal movies cartoons would make back a lot of OCP's money but they could also sell the Robocops to other cities along with a repair service. Never give them the means to repair the cops themselves but offer them the ability to ask you to repair them it's as simple as that, just ask Google or Apple.
That sounds like a Dick plan. As an OCP officer, I see no way that plan could fail whatsoever. I don't even have to think about it. Enthusiastic clapping time.
As the old saying goes, they sell you the problem, and the solution...
In 2020, the Robocop CEO's are more realistic and less cartoonishly evil than the real-life CEO's in the actual US.
Do real CEOs kill their own junior executives, testing police robots in the boardroom?
Replace CEO with Democrats and you are right on the mark.
Darla Lathan, I think he means the overall hubris and avarice, as well as the drive to control the customer base by any means possible.
Pharma CEO: "You know that life saving medication that we make, which we used government grants to R&D in the first place at no cost to ourselves? Lets mark the price up 9,000 percent and lobby the government to not put in price controls!"
Darla Lathan look up the phone calls between Enron’s energy stock traders at the height of the California energy crisis. You can just picture these guys twirling their handlebar mustaches. He’ll, one of them had a picture taken wearing a devil costume, grinning like a psycho.
Man, you should really read up on how military complex does businesses, you might be shocked how regular and successful this approach to government deals is:D
A few years ago, Atlanta PD got new cars that have a very similar shape to the police cars in Robocop, but with bars and rams, and I remember thinking, "Well, here we go."
Just for the record: Robocop couldn't have been inspired by Spawn - the latter appeared 5 years after the original Robocop movie.
7:22 "A dysfunctional corporation filled with overconfident morons..." That's the most plausible part of all this: there are findings that show many people in high positions in most companies are their not because of their suitability for the job, but in spite of it
In a lot of cases leadership, and morality doesn't matter. You could be a total sociopath, but if you studied business and accounting, and got a manager's certification program in college you belong to the true religion while everyone else who isn't morally flawed with common sense are considered the heretics, and denied any upward advancement.
I realize this comment is really old, but I believe it is called the Peter principle. Incompetent people are promoted to let the next floor up deal with them as in people that are hard to fire.
I actually tried using this series as a reference to make my villains as believable as possible, but I genuinely couldn’t think of a way to have the protagonist(s) succeed if I did. Advice?
I dont think this series is for realistic villain. Its just nitpicking their evil plans for fun.
Kinda depends, what’s their position of power? And what do they have access to?
For them to be believable they don't have to be powerful or super smart. They just have to not be stupid and have reasonable goals
An arrogant mistake was the first thing to come to mind(it's pretty cliché though).
If the baddy has comrades one could defect and release some intel to form a high risk plan.
A earlier character that was forgotten about(though you may not have someone like this and even if you did he'd need some high social standing and leadership skills to assist judging by how powerful I'm guessing your villain is).
Some sort of weakness like a prostitution or drug addiction.
A power up for your protagonist.
A really clever bluff from your protagonist.
Sometimes the good guys lose.(though these endings are difficult to do and you may be better off with mutual destruction)
And the best of all
*the power of friendship*
I just listed some endings I've read and seen in the media I like. In all honesty you may have to rewrite your story a few times, getting a good ending is very difficult and the longer your story is the more difficult finding the right ending could be. I'd recommend looking at short stories from different artists, or looking at some forms online as I am just a heavy consumer of narratives so my opinions should be taken with some salt. I do wish you the best of luck with your writing though, what's it about anyways I may have some interest in reading it.
IT should be based on what the villains skills are imho, i.e. if they use robots like in this movie, you should probably have a tech genius who could disable or take control over their robots or create ones that are better than the villains, or like how in batman begins they taint the water supply, if someone new how to create an antidote or neutralize the chemical that would be realistic> I would leave room for some things where you would have to suspend your disbelief a little though just to make it more interesting and we do sometimes read to escape reality for a bit so a mixture of believable and "artistic license" is excusable. hope this at least sparks some thoughts for you, and good luck with your book.
Practical effects coordinator: "How many squibs ya want?"
Director: "All of them!"
PAUL said :
" EVEN MORE THAN THAT "
7:50 I like that the AT-ST was so poorly designed it couldn't even destroy ED-209 with dying anyway.
It's almost like they are a satire of corporations.
Rip Torn! "If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball."
"If you can dodge traffic, you can dodge a ball!"
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The fact that ocp ever got off the ground would imply that they actually had successful products besides their biggest downfall. My biggest question is ...HOW!?
"We practically are the Military" - OCP Director.
They first started selling their weaponry to the Army, then started testing their new toys on Detroit because it was cheaper. ED-209 even got approved on 6 other cities at the start of the second movie, meaning the ads team and the Human Resources team are doing WONDERS and MAGIC to sell them after what happened on the first movie.
It's like the Walt Disney company l, they use to be successful but then when the exclusives start getting arrogant and cocky the downfall starts happening!!
I assume they started off selling decent stuff then once they were too big to fail they just stopped caring.
They started off selling bottled tapwater at massive markups.
I appreciate the name "Too Stupid To Win" because it doesn't imply that they couldn't exist or even that they're unrealistic, just that they couldn't win against the protagonists. Also this holds the same place in my mind as Zootopia; irl ACAB, but that doesn't mean that I can't enjoy stuff with fictional cops not being bastards.
Ed 209 had live ammo and Dick never once thought about the reality of it being a disaster
That was a very smooth transition into your sponsor.
That's real? I thought it was something I missed in the movie.
This and demolition man are guides to the present day
Watch demolition man again they changed Taco Bell to Pizza Hut fuckin hilarious go check it out
@@paulliddle9975 the U.S version had taco bell. European release had pizza hut.
Rich the Unstable they cover over the Taco Bell sign plus they don’t get served pizza either it’s always been Taco Bell just don’t know why the change to Pizza Hut it was funny tho
Robocop for democrats
Demolition Man for republicans
I don't recall using any three seashells lately...
Everytime captain plickard starts yelling with that tommy i start laughing 🤣🤣🤣
"Traditionally nonprofit areas like hospitals and prisons"
Me: laughs/sobs in American
As a corporate legal and compliance officer, OCP’s bungling lawlessness looks even more absurd to me than it did when RoboCop first came out when I was a kid.
Throughout the RoboCop series, there are a few scenes where company lawyers are brought in for damage control, but I sometimes think that OCP is what would happen to many large companies if they had no internal compliance people like me, with both legal and business education, to vet projects BEFORE they became giant public F-ups that the external lawyers have to try to clean up.
I hope working for corrupt evil companies pays well for you.
@@kylekomicbro1836 “waaaah you have a job waaaaah”
Indeed Johnson does deserve respect for surviving three movies...
The main problem with a lot of the earlier complaints is that it was a case of OCP being big enough that one department didn’t know what the other was doing. They say early on that the only reason the Robocop project even exists is because of problems with the ED 209 project. The CEO doesn’t know how corrupt Dick Jones is so he’s not worried about Robocop coming back at them because in his mind they’ve done nothing wrong. Dick meanwhile tries to kill the Robocop project at every opportunity.
Conshumer.
There's something poetic about reviewing a movie that satires rampart consumerism by advertising a consumer product not even two minutes into your video.
8:40 i always wandered why the damn thing was fully loaded. It never occurred to OMNI CORP to load blanks or keep it unloaded.
Wow today's my lucky day. Back to back critical drinker and media zealot.
But thats all we got for today go away now
The drink is one of the best if not the best tuber.
aaa Efe aybi :D
Love Critical Drinker too. Mauler is awesome as well.
@Radical Larry lol I'm a libertarian and low info I am not. Make brain think work better next time.
He's kinda right, until the _Health Maintenance Organization Act of 1973_ healthcare was not run to be profit based. And 1983 is the year that private prisons for profit began operation in the United States.
Oh this is going be great, one of my favorite omni-evil-corps
because they are cartoonishly incompetent. 🤣
The stitched scenes in this one are honestly great. The mechwalker "fight" and Picard magdumping are some of my favourites.
did anyone else always feel bad for the ED-209 at the stairs part? not even just the part where it falls but the part where it's hesitating too.
Me, it sounded like a baby when it was struggling to get up.
"Put forth the questionable idea that without police forces, crime skyrockets overnight."
*Portland has entered the chat*
lol.
And it HAPPENED!! 🤣🤣
New York too.
The riots in MN expanded once the do not engage orders were obvious.
I know, how is that a "questionable idea" again? Some people are so blissfully unaware of reality
And today's corporations are looking more and more like OCP.
Amazon, BlackRock , Vanguard.
Here's an interesting group of Villains, if you're into literature, or animated shows - the various Vermin Horde leaders of the Redwall series by Brian Jaques. 22 novels, and three seasons of animated shows based off of three of the books.
The series is usually centered in a region known as Mossflower, specifically in a location called Redwall Abbey. Most of the characters are of the rodent variety, mice, moles, voles, shrews, hedgehogs, rats, stoats, weasels, ferrets, with hares, badgers, foxes, wildcats, wolverines, and various birds and reptiles thrown in as need be.
Redwall is a place of plenty - food, water, shelter, healing knowledge - and it seems that every villain that shows up, wants to take it over. Some have come close, but it always seems like, at the last possible moment, the Warrior of Redwall shows up with The Sword, and a whole lot of friends, and soon the Horde is lucky if any survive the Retreat!
Now, Redwall, by itself, has no standing armed forces, with the Sword of Martin the Warrior being picked up by whomever the Spirit of Martin chooses to take on the role of Warrior in times of need, for the most part. But, nearby are the Gousim Shrews, and the local Otter groups, plus various squirrel bands, who act as something of an effective militia, specializing in hit-and-run tactics, and basically convincing small vermin bands that "Coming here is your Death!" Against more serious foes, there is the Long Patrol hares from Salmadastron Mountain, who are basically the RAF on foot, always saying "Wot, wot?", but it can be something of an adventure getting there and coming back.
Then there's the Vermin Hordes. Oddly enough, the ones who are pirates and corsairs must have access to decent technology, as they have access to ships, of the sort that can hold 100+ crew members of various ranks. Also, they tend to show up in numbers. Thing is, they tend to be filled with scheming backstabbers, ones who would kill the fella next to them, if they thought that they could get away with it. They also seem to think that if you kill the Boss, you become the Boss. Horde Leaders also tend to be cruel, killing loyal followers for no reason beyond something as trivial as "You dropped your shield while on Inspection!"
Thing is, it seems that the Rank-and-File Vermin would be content doing things like farming, fishing, and generally living peacefully, until someone decides "I want to make a Name for Myself" and forcefully drags all the other vermin under their leadership under the threat of "Join, or Die!". Beyond joining to keep the Boss from killing them, and the promise of Loot and Plunder, or a desire for power, there's usually no motive for the average horde member to stay, aside from threat of a horrible death. In fact, some of them do occasionally pull off an effective "Screw this, I'm outta here!" and desert the Horde, surviving the book at any rate.
The smartest Horde Leaders I've noticed are Verdauga Greeneyes, a Wildcat who'd taken over the area prior to Redwall being built - after crushing the local resistance, he was smart enough to forge a truce/peace with the Woodlanders, and used his forces to keep other vermin bands away, and collect "taxes", and while the locals didn't like him, they tolerated him. However, his daughter, Tsarmina, ruined this peace when she murdered Verdauga, and became a tyrant. Funny enough, her brother, Gingivere, wasn't a bad sort, who actually assisted the woodlanders, after they rescued him from a false imprisonment when he was framed for the murder of his father. He became a farmer after the war.
Another smart Horde Leader was Bowfleg the Warlord. He was an overweight ferret who didn't do much, but was content with the area that he and his band had settled in. Then he got murdered by Swartt Sixclaw, who wanted to use the band for his own purposes.
Then, there is Tramun Clogg - a pirate stoat, whose crew actually liked him. His problem was that he had made a few mistakes in the battle with Badrang, his former partner-turned-enemy, least of which being that his ship was destroyed, and Badrang eventually captured him and the crew, enslaving Clogg and giving the crew the choice between death, slavery, or joining his horde.
Other Vermin Horde leaders are sometimes smart enough to go "Wait, attacking Redwall is a bad idea. Let's just kidnap someone and demand what it is we want, or terrorize the countryside." Doesn't always work out the way they want it.
These were my favorite books as a boy they're criminally underrated
@@Hakar17 Sometimes one doesn't leave Mossflower Woods - my heart tends to wander back to it.
"Traditionally non-profit, including hospitals and prisons"
Yeah as if the accent didn't already give it away, this dude clearly doesn't live in the US...
Nope he lives in New Zealand.
@@ryanjapan3113 F
2020 in a nutshell
"You'll see that we've gambled in markets traditionally regarded as nonprofit. Hospitals, Prisons, Space exploration." Dick Jones, Robocop
@@leechowning2712 Don't worry! Trump is leaving and Joe will fix this! (he won't actually fix this)
I feel bad for the young businessman who got the Murphy treatment in the meeting room, he had his entire life ahead of him but he got killed by pure stupidity
The over the top ads are hilarious. What some don't know is the fictional car in the first one, the 6000 SUX itself was a parody. In the 80s, Pontiac released a model simply called the 6000 (ironically some might call the SUX treatment an improvement, style-wise) and the car it's a parody of was that crap.
That ad plug being read in the same tone of voice fooled me into not realizing it was being read. And as usual, those Star Trek scene quotes are a perfect spice to this video essay.
My Favorit Part is when the mech falls down the stairs and screams like a pig. 😂
knock it off johnson
video starts at 3:13 ;) love the intro, and thank you for the optional vpn ad skip
we suffer to often on the daily with non-skippable ads yours thankfully is well done
Let me explain 1980's corporate overconfidence to you:
COCAINE.
That's true
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☁️
I can't help but wonder if OCP's portrayal of comically incompetent was some sort of ploy to lull people into either assuming all mega-corporations are the same way, while the real mega-corporations are far smarter than the ones in the movies while still being as equally nefarious and doing a much better job at seeming benign.
Gotta love how sir Patrick Stewart makes it into almost every one of these videos.
AH!!!
It's ironic that RoboCop is supposedly the greatest creation OCP had, becomes their greatest threat.
I mean there are plenty of disasterous demonstrations in real life. The M247 Sergeant York tried to shoot at a bunch of congressmen, which the technicians stopped before it fired. It's a real life example almost mirroring the ED-209 demonstration.
It would’ve been so cool if they made the sequel about an almost identical robo-copy, just jet black or something for visual distinction.
Bonus points for them doing the same moves against each other
(I’m disappointed that robo-copy didn’t pay off)
ROBOCOP PRIME DIRECTIVES
ROBO CABLE
Ah yes another video to dissect!
Dead or alive your coming with me
- Alex Murphy
"your move, creep!"
I dunno about the idea that without adequate police, crime wouldn’t increase immediately. The last few years in the US, cities that backed away from proactive policing saw a fair increase of crime.
3:23 - 3:50 this memelordiness is missing from your other videos. Best non-tuvok clip ever.
yeah, that Johnson guy really is the only original ocp employee that survived everything
knock it off johnson
ED209 is basically "get on the ground" and "you should have just followed orders"
This is actually one thing the new 2014 Robocop did well and "fixed"
The OCP in that movie already had multiple efficient law enforcement robots,
They only needed to turn a human officer into a cyborg because they needed
A living symbol people could feel like they're safe around and rally behind.
They also anticipated that Murphy would turn against them and tried to
Implement multiple failsafes, to the point where Murphy only won because
He had help from others including some of the scientists that made him.
RoboCop is a Western.
The Lone Ranger is not supposed to have a team of Tachikomas from Section 9.
Love the part where they are laughing at Dick falling out the window lol.
Seeing Patty Stu shoot a gun always makes me happy.
A silver or blue paint job? Blue for me.
This is literally what’s going on get rid of the state police so billionaires and corporations can have their own security services while us working class people have nothing
I think this past year shows that a city not having an adequate police force does in fact lead to a massive increase in crime
There was a place IRL where the police went away and crime immediately skyrocketed.
There was a city in Europe where the police have went on strike about their wages in the 80s or 90s, and in the first night after the strike six banks were robbed and the city started to begin going full Purge chaos mode.
Inadequate police causes cities to look elsewhere for satisfaction
Because the city has needs and the just aren't man enough to satisfy her
Villains to stupid to win the unitologists from dead space.
Well, that doesn't make much sense, seeing as they did win
@@christophersmith8848 the brethren win throughout dead space 3 the unitologists basically pull out a win taking out earth gov but then get their teeth kicked in by and engineer and a small rag tag underdog group and only win because issaac and friends fail to understand how the machine on tau valantis works waking up a brethren moon and summoning it older siblings. Technically the markers win but the unitologists still lose in a sense as they are all dead
@@Phantom6.6.6 The Unitologists goal was to be turned intro necromorphs, they are stupid, but at least they picked the winning side
@@christophersmith8848 true I guess they should be scifi group to stupid to exist
@@Phantom6.6.6 now we're talkin
Its always an occasion when Media Zealot uploads, I must apologise for not being in appropriate attire befitting of such fine video craftsmanship...
7:58 "He can only issue commands, and then murder crim's if they fail to comply" *American policing intensifies*
*carries on as usual*
I did not know that the antagonist of RoboCop also played Captain Jellico in Star Trek. This explains why I instantly hated Captain Jellico. 😅
Is the Prophet of Truth of the Covenant from the Halo games to stupid to win considering how he rashly causes a civil war by rushing his plans and he forcibly replaces his most effective fighting force the Elites with the highly aggressive Brutes who probably never learned how to efficiently run a military campaign properly with discipline, cunning tactics, resource management, and coordination before. And Truth decided to do all of this when they were so close to victory against the humans that he and his fellow prophets were focused on destroying.
He was so close to the finish line of the Human-Covenant war and he intentionally trips on a banana peel thinking it will secure his victory for sure but ended up screwing up so badly.
I would argue his biggest mistake was demoting the smartest and most brilliant Admiral of the Covenant navy Thel Vadam to the Arbiter because he's wasting the greatest military asset over a failed mission that wasn't actually Thel Vadam's fault but the Prophet of Stewardship who's the guy that screwed Thel Vadam over in protecting the first Halo ring.
To be fair the elites were very close to discovering the truth anyway. Sasa refumee did spread his ideas pretty wide and was even friends with thel if he wasn’t an arbiter. So it’s likely sasa could turn others
@@christophervanoster
However the majority of elites were still on the Phophets side before they alienated them from commanding pose and opertations. Why do you think they had so many zealot elites willing to kill for them?
8:45: funny, they actually tried that in the second film. With real bullets. At least they had paramedics.
I love how a month ago he says "a police force prevents crime, I don't believe that"
And yesterday business owners in New York publically begged the mayor to refund the police because crime is sky rocketing without them around
I feel the defunding of the police should happen after a few years of funding directly into social work, housing, benefits, education ect.
Because most crime is a symptom of other problems in society. Address those problems and you reduce crime
@@PandaCake978 yeah, we're gonna need to get the social workers guns, and body armor, and self defense training and cars so they can get to the scene and stop a violent person before they hurt anyone....kinda like just renaming the police force....
We need MORE eyes on the police so we can punish the rule breakers instead of just pushing the money into creating a new police force with a different name and media optics or else logically the new system will fall victim to the same problems as the old one.
the police should not be breaking the law to enforce it, and we need the court of public opinion to force the courts of law to do their job and punish the bad guys....that means more funding and more transparency due to more observation.
you cant solve crime, there are people like me who have no confidence in the government or law enforcemnt and will sooner throw a 3 lb can out my car and try to evade than pull over for a cop. You CAN restore confidence in the system by focusing on ending corruption and treating people fairly under the law.
Charging the DA's and FBI officals who dropped the rioting charges agaist the BLM activists with obstruction of justice would be a good start IMO. But right now I can see the law only applies to one side of the political spectrum and I refuse to comply until confidence is restored.
@@PandaCake978 Dismantling the Democrat plantation would be a good place to start.
That's funny, Robocop predicted 2020. I am ready for Robocop on the streets.
And ED-209s.
freeze1 no one is going to let a damn murderous machine gun wielding tank especially with the protests going on.
We definitely need one with all the riots
TheNutmeg33 at least one that isn’t as retarded, deadly as ED-209
@@Predator20357 your spelled riots and arson wrong
12:08 that shit happens in real life. I present the Bradley fighting vehicle, the Stryker, the Sig Saur p365 and spear…
12:34 in my headcannon, he’s Eric Foreman, changed his name as he’s turned to crime and now looks more like his dad, Red.
I'm from a third world country where the police of a province did a strike for a day due to wage issues, and that day became a looting fiesta, with shop owners injured, home owners barricating themselves, and looters who actually died as a result of forgetting to unplug the electronics they were trying to steal. There's stories of people seeing their former clients now breaking windows to steal all they can find. I don't know US as a whole, but I'm sure the same would happen with Detroit without police.
Also, you'd be amazed at the things the executives could do under pressure. The business I worked for before, which had branches in several countries, completely fucked up it's own information management system (which, agan, worked across countries) just because the executive in charge of improving it didn't want to acknowledge the new system was still not ready for work even after delays. It wasn't even that he was going to get fired or anything, he just didn't want to lose face.