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I’ve read the lore; people in the Mad Max universe started fleeing the cities in Australia due to rioting, looting and martial law. The energy crisis got worse and worse and the world’s government started ww3 out of desperation. Now, everyone has to either flee or fortify the ruined cities, taking them into the outback where Immortan Joe and other marauders can have their way with them.
Literally all of your problems with Immortan Joe can be applied to every civilization and all your critical points are absolutely necessary to nation-building. If you give the people everything they want and need, they’ll never stop taking and never learn to become self-sufficient. You need a hated enemy, a rigid caste system and a cult of personality because humans are naturally violent, narcissistic and short-sighted. If there is no god vs ants battle and no hope of being on the Gods’ side, civilization will never survive because there is nothing to work towards!
FYI about the Guitar Guy : He is based on pre modern communications armies, back then we used army bands to convey orders as well as boost morale and scare the enemy. But as said, most important was that they could convey orders to the whole army fast, if you watch the movie again with this in mind, you realize he changes pace, rhythm when something new is happening as he is conveying orders to the convoy. And yes, it HAD to be that big in order to be heard over the engines. Also it's a real guitarist who's actually playing. He is actually one of the more thought out aspects of this already brilliant movie !
I can buy that but I really really doubt they thought the casual movie goers would actually catch that. Also, Joe's army acts more like a ravenous horde of barbarians that probably have no idea what what the music means other that it sounds cool as they go to valhalla.
Comms? Ever heard of flag signalling? The mongols used flags to communicate in the battlefield to great effect, no hassles,, no waste on guzzoline to drive such a huge rig.
Let's not be too harsh on Immortan Joe, he was just really sad the world ended and he could no longer play his Speed Freaks Orks army in Warhammer 40 000 so he made his own with real people! It was probably cheaper than buying Warhammer 40k minis in Australia anyway.
You're right on about 90% of this, except one thing: Immortan Joe wanted his harem brought back alive and (mostly) uninjured. Using guns against them would have surely guaranteed their deaths.
Not many of those. If a villain is smart and has resources he's pretty much unstoppable without without plot convenient ass pulls. Seriously give any dark lord the evil overloards handbook, and the story would be over before it even began. That's why we have so much fodder for villains/civilizations to stupid to win/survive.
@@arnehurnik that's literally Kars from battle tendency lol. He became the ultimate lifeform so the writter had him blasted into space to freeze and float around until the end of time.
Hi. Medical field here. Joe's issue appears to be radiation. He has burns, his innermost circle all seem to have mutations, and the war boys are made to look more skeletal. They mention that one has a half-life, and requires blood. Possibly an autoimmune disease? Possibly leukemia? Him spending all the resources to get them back makes perfect sense though. The girls literally represent the future for him. They are untainted by disease, and are capable of bearing children.
I thought that was what was happening to all of the people in Joe's utopia. Didn't Nux say something about like the tumors he had and how that killed a majority of the people? Also this movie reminded me of an old game called BattleTanx it was similar of a post apocalyptic world except the end was caused by a disease killed like 90% of all the women in the world. So a lot of wars were being fought over these women.
@André Luis to be fair, most of the idea of losing knowledge comes from past civilizations where there were hints of technological advances but either the knowledge was considered heresy, or used as a throw away novelty, or just simply hoarded away fro the general masses. and in current era, most people are scientifically illiterate and dont have the patience to keep "obsolete" technology alive while the latest advances are generally still under copywrite. only saving grace is that there is a slow and general trend for more open source designs and diy tinkering in general
Fun fact: the Peacemaker was an extremely impractical vehicle even for filming. It's based on a Ripsaw "Sports Tank" chassis, but because it was a bargain basement version of the Ripsaw EV1 it was unreliable as fuck. It was also a real pain to drive, as the brake-based steering system was twitchy and the Holden car body on top of the tank raised the vehicle's center of gravity a bit. After filming, the vehicle was ceremonially destroyed with much applause.
Fun fact about the flamethrower guitarist, there’s actually a very reasonable utility it has, and is use for. It’s a way for commands to get sent to those in the vehicles around it. I believe the system was the drums send messages to the guitar, and the guitar then sends those messages to the vehicles. Now there’s definitely a more efficient way to do this, but sometimes you just want style.
@@henriqueribeiro8167 I mean being blind doesn’t hinder playing the guitar, and he’s obviously not getting his orders from a teleprompter so it has to be that he’s getting told what to play. They’re probably certain drivers who’s job is to keep look out for fire signals, and tell their bard what to reply with.
I've got to disagree here -- most end-of-the-world cults, when the due date comes and the world doesn't end, double down rather than rebelling. Immortan Joe's cult is all too realistic.
Sad but true; it's the Sunk Cost Fallacy in religious form. "Well, we've spent _this_ long believing that Judgement Day is right around the corner. We might as well keep believing. It would be a shame for us to be _wrong_ and concede after investing this much time and effort in our Doomsday Cult, right?"
@@BloodyBay This has already been studied by a psychologist when he studied some sort of UFO cult whose leader predicted that aliens would land on Earth and contact humanity on a certain date. The date came and went with no alien landings, but instead of the cult members losing faith in their leader and becoming disillusioned, the failed prophecy seemed to actually make their devotion to the cult stronger. The psychologist explained what happened pretty much the same way as you did; a Sunk Cost Fallacy in religious form (although he didn't use those exact words if I recall correctly).
@@LuisGarcia-rt9yh No, they were called The Seekers and all this happened back in the 1950s. The study was also published as a book called "When Prophecy Fails".
Mad Max saga as in on it self is kind of an allegory of how quickly people just turn into dumb, madden and violent animals, when the shit hits the fan.
Yeah.. But they don't, not for very long. People long for safety and stability. Feudalism actually worked for a good long while precisely because most nobles learned to be very hands off, let the common man live his life as he wishes, and require only a little from him, while holding all of the power over him.
Right. We Humans are terrible, awful predators, far more able to split in gore than to fare well in Wilderness. On one hand that's a weakness. On the other hand, well, that's probably a relief, since a significant proportion of people still might be interested by building, well, civilizations in order to help with that.
Maybe I just imagined it, but as I know, Colossus suffered of sexual impotence and Rictus's lung disease was hereditary; so Joe's idea was to leave both Colossus and Rictus as successors (just like a Master Blaster combo) and ask them to raise their little brother to be teir successor. It's notorious that Rictus trusted Colossus and did as he said.
Scabarus Scrotus was actually the main villain of the video games. Suffice to say, he would make a terrible leader as well. For one, he was wasreful as shit, getting rid of one of the few dogs left in Australia just because it couldn't fight. He also took warboys and raised them like actual no holds barred dogs. He was fucked up.
Joe's army and predicament are just a reflection of himself. It's actually what makes it all so interesting and almost believable. Joe has been nicknamed Immortal and like many real men (especially former soldiers) will continue to view themselves in this light. It's believable that he would piss away his good years not looking forward. When he is finally saddled with the reality of his mortality, late in life, his all consuming desire would be his wives and children. Joe isn't a leader or a ruler, he is a warlord. The radiation and half-life of his warboys is pretty well established, the earth had been irradiated which lead to the current climate. We also get an idea on why he is still the leader even at such an old age, the outsiders who attack Joe are easily dealt with by him and the warboys. Their fanaticism is what makes them dangerous, and there were plenty more back at the Citadel to replace losses, not to mention any real threats. etc... Don't want to prattle on too long, ultimately what make Immortan Joe such a good "bad guy" is his humanity. He is old and vulnerable, his confidence is shaken by Furiosa's betrayal, and he spends the entire movie on the back foot. He is never in a position of power, the Protagonist and Antagonist share a struggle.
He should have indoctrinated them into believing he was a prophet not a god. At the very least, a religion doesn't tear itself apart upon the death of its prophet.
Another option would be what the Pre-Christian Romans did after the death of an Emperor. Namely only deifying him after death and his successor was safely on the throne.
north korea didnt tear itself apart when their god leader died gods moving on to the next world has been done since ancient egypt as long as you have a replacement its actually pretty stable and an arrogant enough replacement is a good defense against him being manipulated as a child, making the 18years of teaching unnecessary as long as he stays alive for a short time of revenge
@@MarkoFTW The most prosperous times for the muslim was after the death of the prophet, the Umayyad caliphate reach the greatest extent 118 years after his death.
9:10 The classic mistake of speechifying instead of just pulling the trigger without warning. Instead Joe walks into the room and both barrels take him out before he turns round and sees the old woman. Makes Furiousa's job easier.
I just assume the nature of the post-apocalypse has a corrosive affects on people brains, and that’s why so many post-apocalyptic villains act so stupid.
Heroes too. I will never forget the idiocy of the original Mad Max. Hey, we just pissed off some dangerous bikers. Let's leave the old lady and my wife and toddler behind and go and stand in a forest a few miles away to protect a house that can be reached from other directions. Also, I really hope my wife lets the toddler play alone while I'm gone and completely forgets she left the child outside while barricading herself in the house when trouble inevitably comes knocking.
Yeah but what if they fight amongst each other? Rictus is a manchild in a hercules body, eventually he may got fed up of being told what to do and try to kill colossus. Colossus may eventually think rictus as a deadweight and doesn't need rictus. And he eventually tries to kill rictus Either way, if this is the case: > If rictus won, now the citadel got an incompetent leader. Which eventually attracts coup or an attack from the neighbouring warlord > If colossus won, he may be a fairly smart dude. But his body left much to be desired. It's harder for him to intimidate his enemies and demand respect with that kind of body. Which eventually attracts coup or an attack from the neighbouring warlord
Zealot makes an interesting point here. Namely, the middle and upper classes of the citadel would be far more loyal, if they were invested in the system. Well, know who that sounds like? Aunty Entity. Her top, middle, and probably even her lower people, were all invested in Bartertown, which likely how she commanded their loyalty with such seeming ease. All of her people seemed to have a stake in Bartertown in some way or another.
@@kamulecPL12 it's actually more like Fury Road for kids. Jumpstarting the rebirth of civilization by teaming up a bunch tribal lost kids and a master chemical engineer and ending the reign of a post apocalyptic daughter of Andrew Ryan
still would not hear it over the roar of the engines. Drums are used for marching infantry but would not work well with vehicles. The movie is silly though its all about style over substance. The Road Warrior was more realistic even though it had its oddities.
@@williamt.sherman9841 The drums on the back of the doof wagon probably have enough thump to cut through the engine noise. You can feel bass like that in your chest, so as long as none of the cars are deep enough to muddle the chest thump, a war boy could still feel his commands from that.
"Sending out his entire army over one truck is overkill" No it isnt, you literally just spent like 15 minutes describing how desperate Joe is for a child to succeed him...
@@rehemakaranja5162 Yes, but he only cared about getting back the wives, and the city was essentially useless to him without them. He left the citadel lightly defended because he assumed there were no other enemies to take it anyway.
And they were far as we could tell not normal wives. They all seemed like perfectly healthy and flawless super models. Given the living conditions of most the people in the Citadel, most of them probably had to have been captured from raiding parties against others. No one in Joe's group was treated enough to grow up so well and healthy. That said he still was an idiot in that his entire army followed behind them as a big group. Didn't split them up or have some of the faster cars over take them to cut off their path. Seriously at least one car had to be faster than a tanker truck full of people and water...
Honestly. I get how the religion of Joe in some weird way. First: the immortality stuff. This has worked numerous times in the past. All Joe or his successor would have to do is say that he reincarnates into the successor or that he moves on to the afterlife as a God. If it worked for the Chinese, north koreans, and the Egyptians, it can work for the... Joeans? And second: the Machine part. This hasn't been done before so no really world example to draw on but it could definitely work. Sure, humans made machines but the ability to make them or their actual functionality, through proper indoctrination, could very well be proposed as the divine part. Like, maybe they are taught that whenever they repair a machine whatever god they believe in besides Joe is inhabiting them or.guiding their hands or being awakened in the machine
I like the cult mechanicus's idea there god is respondible for the knowledge and each machine has a soul thats why there irregular you need to tend to the machines needs both physical as the omnisia decrees and spiritual prayer and percussive maintanance
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 yeah mainly cause it makes sense it also lends itself well to humanity is divine for we are given access to gods knowledge it's a neat system
Scabrous Scrotus, Joe's third son, does actually appear in the Mad Max tie-in game they made for Fury Road. Not sure whether Max kills him before or after Immortan Joe, but I just thought I'd point that out.
He dies right before fury road. Max leaves gas town territory and ends deeper into immortal territory; the recent death of hope and glory are the reason he keeps having “visions” of them in the movie.
"Joe responds with the full force of his inadequate army. Leaving his kingdom vulnerable to attack" Just like Sauron in Lord of the Rings. I mean... even a few orcs as guards or maybe a basic wooden door with a padlock would have stopped Sam and Frodo.
Actually, based on a video or two I've watched, the ring itself was so compelling, no one on Middle-Earth would think to drop it into the volcanic mass of Mt. Doom. The reason why Sauron left it open was because, let's face it, look at his defenses. He's got legions of armies surrounding many areas, following the mountainous regions, Shelob blocking the secret pathway to Mordor, and the thousands of orcs standing inside the land, followed by Sauron's eye. He was confident, perhaps too confident with his kingdom.
@@christianwilliams2617 exactly, bad comparison, Sauron was in a last resort scenario, he was all in due to the entire ring being destroyed in the mount doom place loophole he conveniently forgot about for a few hundred years.
Like already said it was inconceivable that someone would try to destroy the ring. Sauron assumed they were gonna try and use it against him in the battle.
@@caitlynharbidge3056 What loophole? He was perfectly aware of the Danger of Mount Doom, but it was an unimportant and stupid "danger". Not only would someone need to slip through his defenses, find the correct path, kill the fucking massive spider that hasn't even been scratched in decades or centuries, and a lot of other shit, they would have to resist the Ring's influence to the very end while close to Sauron's seat of power, where the Ring's influence would be at it's worst. When said influence threatened to fuck up the minds of people like Gandalf when they were FAR AWAY from Mordor, and even finally destroyed Frodo's resilience despite the natural hardiness of Hobbit's to the powers of the Ring once he was finally that close, Sauron would have been crazy to worry obsessively about it. As the final nail in the coffin, he believed Aragorn actually had the ring, and was far too late to rectify his mistake when he knew better.
@@greatkhan7278 Actually you're right too. After he got out of prison he got into pro-wrestling. The WWE at the time thought that his real criminal background could be good marketing as a bad guy, and he seriously looked the part of a monsterous thug. They had high hopes for him, but he just didn't have much talent for the craft. He transitioned into acting after leaving WWE and moved back to Australia.
The NCR is doomed because they emulate a failed empire! I ceaser shall avoid this by emulating Rome another failed empire that coincidently was also the basis for the USA and by extension the NCR! My plan is flawless! Why do people think he's a smart villain again?
@@scutumfidelis1436 millenia is a little too much... But a good 700 years, is enough awesomeness! Unless you are considering the Byzantines. If then, i m sorry for downplaying the east empire.
Both the ncr and caesars are prone to a terrible fail... But the ncr as we know it shall live more, specially because after caesar dies, and hia successor is the beast of the east, rebellion shall soon overcome... While the ncr is more stable, but is repeating the same mistakes as the us, and sooner or later they will end in the same crossroads.
I was gonna recommend SEELE (Neon Genisis Evangelion) for villains too stupid to win, but then I remembered that they DO win (although not entirely due to their own actions)
An idea for Villains too stupid to live: the Robotech masters from Robotech. I give the Protoculture from SDF Macross a pass on your roast lists as they did better than Harmony Gold's stupid ideas.
@Joong Kim that was the Bdol Zer Fleet. There are still hundreds of smaller fleets still out there. Heck there might be fleets just as large as the one from SDF Macross.
It always came across as an incredibly inefficient foreign policy plan to me tbh. They see the value in humans but because they never actually bothered with negotiations they had no direction.
There are so many good options for these series. I still think the Reapers are a great choice since they do actually get increasingly stupid as the original trilogy goes along.
I never watched any Star Trek on any medium, but the number of fitting dialogue the highly-logical black Star Trek guy has is pretty impressive. He has 4-6 perfectly in-context lines per video.
i feel like every point you made here was correct.. and part of the films purpose. Joe was obviously a short sighted ego maniac and every decision he makes fits that sort of character
What do you expect from a race that has stripped itself of any sense of self control and moderation, combined with the very real fear of death (especially when they do not share a connection to the land of Thra that the Gelflings possess). Even if they won, their end was inevitable.
@M33ble which could be shown better. So far, the Mystics have been portrayed as perfect which really shouldn't be given what they are supposedly supposed to be
Theres actually a video by "Logos made Flesh" that explains Immortan Joe has actually been attempting to produce an heir for many many years, explaining how the human cows (the fat women who are milked) were actually once his "breeders", but after repeated failed attempts at a healthy son, they were forced to become "milkers", the "Brides" in the movie were his last hope at a healthy son
Honestly when the idea of military tanks came up I just remembered that most of these people are with just basic knowledge in mechanics and basic chemistry, like the formula for gunpowder is only known by a few people so advance military specs would have to be rare and even more so someone who can read it , like max doesn’t even really remember who he was before the war it’s just his instincts that he remembered from advance combat training so yea joe was just some tough guy with a gun and got lucky
@@purplefood1 maybe, but without TH-cam could you make it? I wouldn't know where to start. You'd hope someone who knew how to make it might survive a nuclear war, or survive a nuclear famine, or butchered by roaming gangs
@@purplefood1 hahaha true but knowledge can sometimes be difficult to come by in end times. Sometimes hoarded and hidden sometimes destroyed through fear or jealously
Halo's Forerunners. They took some evil actions on occasion but it was always done in pursuit of the greater good as responsible caretakers of the galaxy.
All four of my Multiversal Empires in my planned novel series. Each has its own ways of maintaining their territories except for the one faction that dwells in dark matter spaces and pocket dimensions. At the same time, the four Multiversal Empires have a lot of heated rivalries between each other while fighting off both internal and external problems. Unionwealth let the independent planets run their own government unless it requires full-time supervision, while the main army of the Unionwealth handles the ongoing frontline battles for expansion. Cosmowealth is the opposite of the Unionwealth, domination is part of the standard process when the planet has valuable resources or civilizations, basically strict iron governance. CyberianHive may be the second-biggest faction and they were previously known to commit galactic genocide if the galaxy is either useless or being held by one of their enemies, but that was the past after a certain multiverse crisis, and now their AI Cyberpotent leader has taken the choice to test their captured planets if they are either loyal for the Cyber Hive's quest or resist until acceptance or execution. Warped Fragments are everywhere and nowhere, their ways of maintaining strong leadership are completely random or varying, but it all comes to one major requirement: Sacrificing all of your sanity and accepting the embrace of pain and insanity. They are like a virus that can appear out of nowhere and all three Factions hate these annoying motherfuckers.
The Shadow Church of the Mightnight RPG setting. 700 years of ruling a world that basically reads like "If Sauron won at Pellenor Fields and recovered the ring."
I personally theorize that a lot of the rigs that were part of Joe's army weren't so much purpose built as they were pulled of scavengers, wanderers, and raids on other groups. Like, we see what they did with Max's car. Stands to reason they did that with the rest. So, "Where are the tanks?" Easy. They already got blown up.
The big reason they don't have tanks is cause tanks are stupidly heavy, the Abrams for example gets .6 mpg, and a mere 20% decrease in fuel economy would make it 2 gallons per mile, but with degradation of parts, lower quality fuel then can be made now. I think that's a generous estimate to it's mpg
The Flamethrower-Guitar truck does serve a practical purpose. It's the only thing louder than all the cars, and it acts as war drums, which are mainly used as a form of signaling.
Uh oh look out we've got an edgy boy on our hands!! Take that religion this rebel doesn't care! And hes missed a huge part. "They're all cancer riddled and half dead", thats exactly why he doesn't use resources on good war machines because he doesn't have people adequate enough to properly use them. So for him, his followers ravenous dedication to the belief system he created is a more effective weapon. His fighters are frail and half useless. Their best quality is their willingness to die. They don't need resource costly high quality machines to kamikaze.
I agree with you for the scheme. The problem is that in real life, even loosely connected but healthy individuals are usually better than fanatic and united but close-dead ones. That went in such a length in real life that in so much species, like alligators and so on, running on degraded characteristics TO THE POINT OF IMPEDING THE BRAIN WORK has evolved into becoming a preserved genetic pattern. I really wonder what would become of our Mankind if ever no place on Earth could allow correct brain development in the same time of physical development. But I doubt the evolutively winning result would always be "rachitism with a mental tooth for suicide". After all it might be as well "normal body development with a different tooth for suicide", or "normal body development with no tooth for suicide". Well we just don't know.
It's a nuclear war, totally confirmed in Mad Max: The Road Warrior's beginning narration. Also Fury Road totally takes some of It's plot points from it. It's a good mix
I really have loved this video, but you have forgotten one fondamental point about Joe's personality: putting Furiosa in a so prominent position in his army, his over-reaction to the wives runaway and even the musical truck are manifstations of his hypertrofic ego, self conviction to be a god and ultimally, total insanity. Immortan Joe is crazy as f*ck, it is impossible to expect a lucid behaviour from someone in his mental conditions.
@@j-bard5409 you think the V8s in Immortan's vehicles are gas guzzlers, an Abrams Tank's Gas Turbine would embarrass them all; also no warboy is going to be able to fix a gas turbine. Even if you use a more suitable vehicle like an IFV, they are still only getting around 5mpg, which might be half of most of Immortan's fleet. The question arises do you even need thta much protection when everyone is so poorly armed and. 308 is probably the largest caliber around. In regards to most tanks or IFVs, their weapons are probably useless as I don't trust anyone in that universe to be able to manufacture the correct (not dangerous to user) ammo.
Easy, too much work to maintain for unnecessary gains. Not a lot of guns going around in this universe and even less tech knowledge or ACTUAL engineering skill. Anything more specialized than what they show would just end up sitting around unused for kids to play on.
To be fair, since you used the comic, the weapons are really effective in the game. True, not the best if you want to salvage, but they do the job to destroy/disable other vehicles.
The thunderpoon is more practical, since its designed to be fired out with speed that gives it a lot of range that a thrown explosive spear couldn't ever have
The really sad part is nothing in the movie even had to happen for Joe to lose. His entire society was built upon his war boys and raiding nearby settlements. Yet the surrounding landscape is utterly barren and his troops are too undisciplined to ever leave survivors or people with resources left. This means eventually there will be no one else to fight. This would leave Joe with a sucidal group of cancer patients who seek glorious combat and death... with no one to fight. Even if the Citadel could fully function without outside resources, most of the middle class and his warriors would probably not do well with idle hands. So even if every thing mentioned in this video didn't happen, the society would still fall.
Theory. Imortan Joe was never really the true leader, he was simply the mouth piece of The Doof Warrior. How can he not be in charge if he is that frickin cool.
That's the problem when people start believing their own BS-propaganda. Kinda like if Kim Jong Un decided to stop using the bathroom. Because, you know, North Koreans are told that "dear leader" is so perfect that he never has to take a crap.
I would love to see you roast the elder god from the Legacy of Kain series. That guy sees a point where Kain could one day destroy him, and orchestrates things to the point where that exact thing might have happened if they would make another game in the series.
The music truck is not only for a morale boost. I think they use it to coordinate the army. Like drummers in the past. The music dictates if they should attack, chase, stop or do whatever. But maybe not.
Immortan Joe also has some pretty interesting technology that would have been really good for this future, such as the ability to flatten roads, do blood type testing and other mechanical engineering prowess. Why do the smart become such greedy fascists? Hehe
Blood type testing actually isn't that difficult or technologically complicated if you know what you are doing and have a population to take samples from. The reason it wasn't developed sooner was just that people had no idea that blood types were a thing.
Because they're poorly written, obviously. It's really sad when people take poorly written hollywood schlock and think it's realistic. Base their worldviews off of it.
@@TheWoollyFrog Oh, they could be totally wacky as fuck or be surprisingly advanced depending on the exact circumstances and which society; there are likely going to be weird cultist tribes, totalitarian societies, and scientific enclaves living side by side for a short while until a new sustainable normal is established over time and various weridos die out. There's a lot of historical precedent for a lot of things. Arguably mad max isn't a standard post apocalypse mind, but a post-post-post multi-apocalypse or something like that. It's super contrived by this point, in the lore. I was primarily responding to "Why do the smart become such greedy fascists? Hehe" though; they are simply poorly written. Anyone with half a brain would have used this tech to do the intelligent thing and create effectively the last city in Australia, then revitalize/ colonize the depleted mire, and build a nation state. At least then you could have an intelligent or intelligently written greedy fascist, though going for a more monarchical yet merit based authoritarianism rather than single-party-based system (there would probably have to be a new type of system named for it) would still be more intelligent. And it would have a logical reason to exist and have come about even if fascist, people seeking protection and resources from the monarch/ dictator. So no, it's _still_ because they're poorly written; in this they just all decided to destroy shit and become motor cultist raiders when they have resources, because reasons. They aren't very intelligent and everything is because of the aesthetic rather than internal logical consistency.
Dang EgBrandan, way to take the air out of the room. 😁 I wouldn’t say that is a poorly written aspect. Intelligent people are no different than nincompoops, and power creates a corrupt mindset. Typically the intelligent watch idly as their creations become used for means they did not intend. They either stand aside and let those with the charisma steal and misappropriate their creations or they become the demon they despise because of the lack of options and the high they attain. I would have to say the comics kinda ruined a potential back story for Joe, but it is clear he is the smartest man in the room and decided to use his gifts in a different way. Just because you are brilliant doesn’t mean you are altruistic. Look at some of the richest men in the world. They used to be smart and savvy and cutting edge. Now they just buy-out the work of others and paste their stamp on it.
Actually......no. After Scotty discovered how to teleport across the stars, Starfleet should have been dissolved. And one could say 'it's no longer cannon' as the whole original show was rebooted- But oh wait. Leonard Nimoy was brought back as Spoke and introduced a younger Scotty to his principle thus making it no longer a 'reboot' but a 'continuation'. But man if that was used for a basic story concept instead of recent Star Trek series, like, "Starfleet has been rendered obsolete, star traveling teleport stations spread across the galaxy, highly protected but from within but a dark secret is hidden and uncovered by a few. To save the Federation and galaxy a small group of former starfleet crew members must take a small shuttle, the last shuttle designed and avoid the teleport stations guarded by the evil cabal bent on conquest to make their way to Earth to warn everyone." I would be interested in seeing that.
@@madisonatteberry9720 The total failure of Star Fleet to learn anything from Kirk's seven year mission, with everything resetting every week is the stupidest thing in Sci Fi. I'd love to see some cut in Tuvok commentary on the original series. People would loose their $hit.
@@madisonatteberry9720 I don't know if Starfleet would have been dissolved completely, but you're right, when you can teleport organic and inorganic matter across millions of light years using the same amount of power necessary to move a space ship, traditional means of space travel become inadequate. They'd still need space ships for colonizing worlds that don't have transfer stations and/or acquiring space exclusive resources, plus defending from asteroids and what-not, but yeah, Starfleet would be phased out and made less significant.
Whats funny about these is everytime you point how a villain is too stupid to exist I can think of several real life examples of their stupidity. Which is why when I watch fiction stupid villains ring true to me.
While I agree with your every criticism of Immortan Joe's organization, I also think it's fair to say that all of those flaws were intentional creative decisions rather than mere oversights, given that so many of those chickens come home to roost within the plot itself.
Too be fair the guitar truck isnt just a music machine. It acted as a drummer boy. Bursts of flames and different chords for left, right, flank, move out, and so on.
Scrotus is the main antagonist of the mad max game (which is actually really good believe it or not) and Scrotus seems to focus more on making people fear him rather than actually ruling anything. such as elaborate scarecrow constructs containing the mutilated corpses of dozens of people dotted across the landscape and having his second in command be even crazier than he is be allowed to just roam about and kill whoever they find. If scrotus were to be in charge of the citadel, he would likely kill nearly all of the lower class people there.
Joe is the good guy. Watch how our main characters squander water. They stop in the desert to take baths. The Vulvalini wasted all the water at The Green Place of Many Mothers. When they steal the aquifer, they immediately just leave it running. How long till it goes dry too? And regarding the “slavery” of the ladies. How do you think all those mutated homeless cannibals downstairs would treat young women who looked like that? They’d be raped constantly until they eventually starve to death and get cannibalized. Joe keeps them safe, fed, and educated. All he asks in return is for them to perform their natural bodily functions. And he does this in the interest of saving humanity. Humans are horribly deformed and dying off. He’s breeding the least deformed people to try to prevent extinction. The Vulvalini will wipe out the survivors in a matter of weeks. Why do you think Max left? He was fleeing from these short-sighted idiots and their terrible leadership.
At the end of the day moral fools cannot save anyone they will seek a path that (falsely) saves their conscience rather than doing smth that builds a better tomorow.
To be honest I'm surprised he even survived the early days of the collapse. Because he could've easily came up against a Government remnant faction that could've easily destroy his faction of bandits, Or any faction for that matter
@@stainedClass2112I meant some faction like the enclave but Australian Goverment. Plus more like military deserters like the BOS but stupider and less tech advanced.
@@steelbear2063 translated it would be "after me the flood" meaning that you don't care what happens to the world/environment after you've died or did/got what you wanted
Someone has never heard of religion, military, or government. Every point you made has been successful within those three groups for thousands of years. You made a video about how Joe would win for all of human existence and accidentally thought you were making a video about how he wouldn’t win. We have real life proof that everything he does works perfectly.
@@michaeldiekmann6494 It's complicated. Half the wars in history seem to be due to the problem of monarchical succession, and Joe's fighting tactics are crap. But most societies in history have been terribly abusive in similar ways to Joe's, and a large fraction of any population seems to prefer an abusive government (Republicans, say).
@@robertmiller9735 Democrats actually are the party that keeps adding in new government powers, don't forget most of the powers Trump now uses where made by Obama and the democrats.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD Both sides add to government powers. The Patriot Act was passed in 2001, under President Bush. It was supported by both Democrats and Republicans. The war on terror greatly expanded government surveillance, military, police, and extra-judicial powers. Obama and the Democrats promised they would curb those expansions. But with the exception of executive orders to reduce torture and NSA surveillance, they continued to use and expand most of those powers, like the drone program.
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Great videos but the interruptions from star trek are jarring and not needed
Thank god you took time to explain the obvious to anyone who had seen the movie.
I’ve read the lore; people in the Mad Max universe started fleeing the cities in Australia due to rioting, looting and martial law. The energy crisis got worse and worse and the world’s government started ww3 out of desperation. Now, everyone has to either flee or fortify the ruined cities, taking them into the outback where Immortan Joe and other marauders can have their way with them.
Literally all of your problems with Immortan Joe can be applied to every civilization and all your critical points are absolutely necessary to nation-building. If you give the people everything they want and need, they’ll never stop taking and never learn to become self-sufficient. You need a hated enemy, a rigid caste system and a cult of personality because humans are naturally violent, narcissistic and short-sighted. If there is no god vs ants battle and no hope of being on the Gods’ side, civilization will never survive because there is nothing to work towards!
FYI about the Guitar Guy : He is based on pre modern communications armies, back then we used army bands to convey orders as well as boost morale and scare the enemy. But as said, most important was that they could convey orders to the whole army fast, if you watch the movie again with this in mind, you realize he changes pace, rhythm when something new is happening as he is conveying orders to the convoy. And yes, it HAD to be that big in order to be heard over the engines. Also it's a real guitarist who's actually playing. He is actually one of the more thought out aspects of this already brilliant movie !
And the Doof warrior ended up marrying one of Immortans "wives", Elvis's granddaughter.
he also forced the them too make the amp car work,
I can buy that but I really really doubt they thought the casual movie goers would actually catch that. Also, Joe's army acts more like a ravenous horde of barbarians that probably have no idea what what the music means other that it sounds cool as they go to valhalla.
Comms? Ever heard of flag signalling? The mongols used flags to communicate in the battlefield to great effect, no hassles,, no waste on guzzoline to drive such a huge rig.
@@rthmsrms rule of cool
Let's not be too harsh on Immortan Joe, he was just really sad the world ended and he could no longer play his Speed Freaks Orks army in Warhammer 40 000 so he made his own with real people! It was probably cheaper than buying Warhammer 40k minis in Australia anyway.
He would fit in as a Speed Freak Ork Gang fan.
It was punish by the God Emperor for his heresy. You should never try to become anything but a human
@@Matt-md5yt He just needed to paint himself green
Damn literally said something about 40k crazy man crazy
@@weldonwin but red goes fastah!
The "armor" is probably a cast made from a mold of him in his prime. So he wears it to appear as he did when he was big and powerful
From further away it still looks a bit convincing. And those people at the ground would have to look up about 100 ft
I think its more to give him an imposing figure for an old man. Nobody actually looks like that
This is a cool idea
@@oh-not-the-bees7872 Ancient greeks and romans did the same
@@michaeldiekmann6494 exactly. You look much more intimidating with a giant chest and six pack abs than regular withered old dude.
You're right on about 90% of this, except one thing: Immortan Joe wanted his harem brought back alive and (mostly) uninjured. Using guns against them would have surely guaranteed their deaths.
It would still have been safer and more precise than most of the shit they used
Fun fact: The actor who played Immortan Joe was also The Toecutter in the original Mad Max.
Miller loves recasting actors, you're forgiven if you think the gyro pilot and the airplane pilot is the same person
What about a spin-off series like *Villains too Smart to Lose?* or *Heroes too dumb to win?*
The latter is more likely, because Hollywood is not prone to making smart characters.
Heroes too dumb to win? = plot armor / chosen one.
He did that with transformers.
Not many of those. If a villain is smart and has resources he's pretty much unstoppable without without plot convenient ass pulls. Seriously give any dark lord the evil overloards handbook, and the story would be over before it even began.
That's why we have so much fodder for villains/civilizations to stupid to win/survive.
@@arnehurnik that's literally Kars from battle tendency lol. He became the ultimate lifeform so the writter had him blasted into space to freeze and float around until the end of time.
Hi. Medical field here. Joe's issue appears to be radiation. He has burns, his innermost circle all seem to have mutations, and the war boys are made to look more skeletal. They mention that one has a half-life, and requires blood. Possibly an autoimmune disease? Possibly leukemia?
Him spending all the resources to get them back makes perfect sense though. The girls literally represent the future for him. They are untainted by disease, and are capable of bearing children.
Yeah, the old lady is astounded by the the girls. They have all their teeth and have no deformities
I thought that was what was happening to all of the people in Joe's utopia. Didn't Nux say something about like the tumors he had and how that killed a majority of the people? Also this movie reminded me of an old game called BattleTanx it was similar of a post apocalyptic world except the end was caused by a disease killed like 90% of all the women in the world. So a lot of wars were being fought over these women.
@@NinjaFresh that game was amazing, sequel not so much, the story was pretty solid (even in it's simplicity) it's basically mad max but with tanks
@@NinjaFresh was that the coochie war?
@@NinjaFresh I think he calls the sickness that kills them "Night Shivers"
The whole Mad Max universe is too stupid to exist, its part of the reason its so awesome.
Some might say, its pretty mad... 🤔
Also specialises in fetishist garments...
Jacob Locklear it’s likely the knowledge of production will be lost so recycling would become the only viable option.
André Luis they would be one highly sought after by powerful factions.
@André Luis to be fair, most of the idea of losing knowledge comes from past civilizations where there were hints of technological advances but either the knowledge was considered heresy, or used as a throw away novelty, or just simply hoarded away fro the general masses. and in current era, most people are scientifically illiterate and dont have the patience to keep "obsolete" technology alive while the latest advances are generally still under copywrite. only saving grace is that there is a slow and general trend for more open source designs and diy tinkering in general
I liked the play this back-to-back with Dredd 3D, after this I'd put it on and be like, "Meanwhile, in America..." LOL
Fun fact: the Peacemaker was an extremely impractical vehicle even for filming. It's based on a Ripsaw "Sports Tank" chassis, but because it was a bargain basement version of the Ripsaw EV1 it was unreliable as fuck. It was also a real pain to drive, as the brake-based steering system was twitchy and the Holden car body on top of the tank raised the vehicle's center of gravity a bit. After filming, the vehicle was ceremonially destroyed with much applause.
That's awesome
Fun fact about the flamethrower guitarist, there’s actually a very reasonable utility it has, and is use for. It’s a way for commands to get sent to those in the vehicles around it. I believe the system was the drums send messages to the guitar, and the guitar then sends those messages to the vehicles. Now there’s definitely a more efficient way to do this, but sometimes you just want style.
problem is, Who tells him what to play? he is blind, he himself is not seeing nothing. how does he knows what orders to send?
@@henriqueribeiro8167 I mean being blind doesn’t hinder playing the guitar, and he’s obviously not getting his orders from a teleprompter so it has to be that he’s getting told what to play. They’re probably certain drivers who’s job is to keep look out for fire signals, and tell their bard what to reply with.
"despite these machines obviously being man made meaning there is absolutely nothing divine about them" *laughs in adeptus mechanics*
@@thefullmetalmaskedduo6083 "One day the crude biomass you call a temple will fail, and you will beg my kind to save you, but I am already saved"
@@SIRUNOWN Even in death I serve the Omnissiah
How can you spot a War Hammer fan? Don't worry, they'll tell you.
@@mechanomics2649 Yeah, they're pretty annoying
I've got to disagree here -- most end-of-the-world cults, when the due date comes and the world doesn't end, double down rather than rebelling. Immortan Joe's cult is all too realistic.
Sad but true; it's the Sunk Cost Fallacy in religious form. "Well, we've spent _this_ long believing that Judgement Day is right around the corner. We might as well keep believing. It would be a shame for us to be _wrong_ and concede after investing this much time and effort in our Doomsday Cult, right?"
@@BloodyBay This has already been studied by a psychologist when he studied some sort of UFO cult whose leader predicted that aliens would land on Earth and contact humanity on a certain date. The date came and went with no alien landings, but instead of the cult members losing faith in their leader and becoming disillusioned, the failed prophecy seemed to actually make their devotion to the cult stronger. The psychologist explained what happened pretty much the same way as you did; a Sunk Cost Fallacy in religious form (although he didn't use those exact words if I recall correctly).
@@TK2692 Are you talking about Heavens Gate?
@@LuisGarcia-rt9yh No, they were called The Seekers and all this happened back in the 1950s. The study was also published as a book called "When Prophecy Fails".
@@TK2692 oh, well okay. Thanks for telling me, I gonna check them out.
Mad Max saga as in on it self is kind of an allegory of how quickly people just turn into dumb, madden and violent animals, when the shit hits the fan.
Yeah..
But they don't, not for very long.
People long for safety and stability. Feudalism actually worked for a good long while precisely because most nobles learned to be very hands off, let the common man live his life as he wishes, and require only a little from him, while holding all of the power over him.
Lord Humungous was a reasonable man.
Yeah chaos would be for a couple years before things would quickly stabilize
@@mondaysinsanity8193
Yeah but you people forget that order takes many forms. Joe's empire? Yep, that's also order and stability.
Right. We Humans are terrible, awful predators, far more able to split in gore than to fare well in Wilderness. On one hand that's a weakness. On the other hand, well, that's probably a relief, since a significant proportion of people still might be interested by building, well, civilizations in order to help with that.
At least he treated his disabled son better than Tywin treated Tyrion!
God you're stupid
Maybe I just imagined it, but as I know, Colossus suffered of sexual impotence and Rictus's lung disease was hereditary; so Joe's idea was to leave both Colossus and Rictus as successors (just like a Master Blaster combo) and ask them to raise their little brother to be teir successor.
It's notorious that Rictus trusted Colossus and did as he said.
If it hadn't been for Immortan Joe
I'd been married a long time ago
Where did you come from, where did you go?
Where did you come from, Immortan Joe?
that's a great cover by...Chromenex?
not bad lol
Cotton eye joe
I hate this comment
Machines don't have anything divine about them? I hope the Mechanicus doesn't hear about this.
*Angry binary sounds*
Oh no, @@alvarodebarrio7718! The Great Big Computer's E-Eyes have begun to glow an angry red! Everyone run while you still can! lol
*Angry Adeptus Mechanicus Noises*
@@adamgray1753 no i will be with him because my rage is now as equal
The Fabricator General would like to know your location
Scabarus Scrotus was actually the main villain of the video games. Suffice to say, he would make a terrible leader as well.
For one, he was wasreful as shit, getting rid of one of the few dogs left in Australia just because it couldn't fight. He also took warboys and raised them like actual no holds barred dogs.
He was fucked up.
lets not forget the fact he was basically unable to stamp out the buzzards at his doorstep
Yes, it is no joke that in the Mad Max video game, the Buzzards are more threatening and scary than the War Boys XD
And after his near death experience his commanders were unable to stop one mad boy and his hucked back mechanic
The People Eater was definitely a better mayor of Gastown, since his whole thing during the chases was counting costs and trying to minimize losses
😶
Joe's army and predicament are just a reflection of himself. It's actually what makes it all so interesting and almost believable. Joe has been nicknamed Immortal and like many real men (especially former soldiers) will continue to view themselves in this light. It's believable that he would piss away his good years not looking forward. When he is finally saddled with the reality of his mortality, late in life, his all consuming desire would be his wives and children. Joe isn't a leader or a ruler, he is a warlord. The radiation and half-life of his warboys is pretty well established, the earth had been irradiated which lead to the current climate. We also get an idea on why he is still the leader even at such an old age, the outsiders who attack Joe are easily dealt with by him and the warboys. Their fanaticism is what makes them dangerous, and there were plenty more back at the Citadel to replace losses, not to mention any real threats. etc...
Don't want to prattle on too long, ultimately what make Immortan Joe such a good "bad guy" is his humanity. He is old and vulnerable, his confidence is shaken by Furiosa's betrayal, and he spends the entire movie on the back foot. He is never in a position of power, the Protagonist and Antagonist share a struggle.
To be fair, Joe seems like the kind of guy who would run a state with a mixture of spite, whims, and whatever sounds cool.
He should have indoctrinated them into believing he was a prophet not a god. At the very least, a religion doesn't tear itself apart upon the death of its prophet.
A Muslims would like to have a word with you. Sunni, Shia, Ibadi.
Their are too many forms Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc...
Another option would be what the Pre-Christian Romans did after the death of an Emperor. Namely only deifying him after death and his successor was safely on the throne.
north korea didnt tear itself apart when their god leader died
gods moving on to the next world has been done since ancient egypt
as long as you have a replacement its actually pretty stable
and an arrogant enough replacement is a good defense against him being manipulated as a child, making the 18years of teaching unnecessary as long as he stays alive for a short time of revenge
@@MarkoFTW The most prosperous times for the muslim was after the death of the prophet, the Umayyad caliphate reach the greatest extent 118 years after his death.
9:10 The classic mistake of speechifying instead of just pulling the trigger without warning.
Instead Joe walks into the room and both barrels take him out before he turns round and sees the old woman.
Makes Furiousa's job easier.
“When you have to shoot, shoot, don’t talk”
I don't think she had the guts, she only fires when the barrels are already pointed away. fear and awe are strong shields.
Rule number 1, tell it to the corpse.
I just assume the nature of the post-apocalypse has a corrosive affects on people brains, and that’s why so many post-apocalyptic villains act so stupid.
Considering the radiation in the air and lead in the water.
@@beastwarsFTW TLDR:Wish that the apocalypse does not seriously interfere human biochemistry and humanity may have chance to rebuild properly.
That's why Fallout's post apocalyptic wasteland hasn't really rebuilt in 200 years
@@sorrenblitz805 that's just the east coast, the west coast has rebuilt
Heroes too. I will never forget the idiocy of the original Mad Max. Hey, we just pissed off some dangerous bikers. Let's leave the old lady and my wife and toddler behind and go and stand in a forest a few miles away to protect a house that can be reached from other directions. Also, I really hope my wife lets the toddler play alone while I'm gone and completely forgets she left the child outside while barricading herself in the house when trouble inevitably comes knocking.
This movie is pure visual art.
Wow, Joe could've been way smarter if he'd just made Colossus his administrative leader and Rictus as Colossus's fist.
Yeah but what if they fight amongst each other?
Rictus is a manchild in a hercules body, eventually he may got fed up of being told what to do and try to kill colossus.
Colossus may eventually think rictus as a deadweight and doesn't need rictus. And he eventually tries to kill rictus
Either way, if this is the case:
> If rictus won, now the citadel got an incompetent leader. Which eventually attracts coup or an attack from the neighbouring warlord
> If colossus won, he may be a fairly smart dude. But his body left much to be desired. It's harder for him to intimidate his enemies and demand respect with that kind of body. Which eventually attracts coup or an attack from the neighbouring warlord
Zealot makes an interesting point here. Namely, the middle and upper classes of the citadel would be far more loyal, if they were invested in the system. Well, know who that sounds like? Aunty Entity. Her top, middle, and probably even her lower people, were all invested in Bartertown, which likely how she commanded their loyalty with such seeming ease. All of her people seemed to have a stake in Bartertown in some way or another.
Which story is that society from?
@@Arcaryon Mad max 3: Under The Thunderdome
@@kamulecPL12 May you never run out of fuel, stranger.
@@Arcaryon don't watch that movie, it's basically kids friendly version of Mad Max 2
@@kamulecPL12 it's actually more like Fury Road for kids. Jumpstarting the rebirth of civilization by teaming up a bunch tribal lost kids and a master chemical engineer and ending the reign of a post apocalyptic daughter of Andrew Ryan
The music machine is so the war boys get their commands , it works like drummer boy in the civil war
still would not hear it over the roar of the engines. Drums are used for marching infantry but would not work well with vehicles. The movie is silly though its all about style over substance. The Road Warrior was more realistic even though it had its oddities.
Another use would be for intimidation. I'd shit myself if I heard heavy metal in the distance, only to turn around and see thirty or so cars incoming.
@@samanthacino Lmao that does not matter. The sound of all of those vehicle's engines would completely drown it out.
@@williamt.sherman9841 The drums on the back of the doof wagon probably have enough thump to cut through the engine noise. You can feel bass like that in your chest, so as long as none of the cars are deep enough to muddle the chest thump, a war boy could still feel his commands from that.
@@blahturretx7327 *hear heavy metal guitar crunching in the desert*
is that just the wind, or furious vexation?
"Sending out his entire army over one truck is overkill" No it isnt, you literally just spent like 15 minutes describing how desperate Joe is for a child to succeed him...
Exactly, he wasn't worried about the truck. He was worried about his unborn babies and the women. They were the only healthy females anywhere.
Yes, but he left the city undefended, which was his fatal flaw (considering how unstable it was).
@@rehemakaranja5162 Yes, but he only cared about getting back the wives, and the city was essentially useless to him without them. He left the citadel lightly defended because he assumed there were no other enemies to take it anyway.
And they were far as we could tell not normal wives. They all seemed like perfectly healthy and flawless super models. Given the living conditions of most the people in the Citadel, most of them probably had to have been captured from raiding parties against others. No one in Joe's group was treated enough to grow up so well and healthy. That said he still was an idiot in that his entire army followed behind them as a big group.
Didn't split them up or have some of the faster cars over take them to cut off their path. Seriously at least one car had to be faster than a tanker truck full of people and water...
And to be fair he was right splendid gave birth to a perfect healthy male, and he still had 4 other possible children.
Honestly. I get how the religion of Joe in some weird way.
First: the immortality stuff. This has worked numerous times in the past. All Joe or his successor would have to do is say that he reincarnates into the successor or that he moves on to the afterlife as a God. If it worked for the Chinese, north koreans, and the Egyptians, it can work for the... Joeans?
And second: the Machine part. This hasn't been done before so no really world example to draw on but it could definitely work. Sure, humans made machines but the ability to make them or their actual functionality, through proper indoctrination, could very well be proposed as the divine part. Like, maybe they are taught that whenever they repair a machine whatever god they believe in besides Joe is inhabiting them or.guiding their hands or being awakened in the machine
I like the cult mechanicus's idea there god is respondible for the knowledge and each machine has a soul thats why there irregular you need to tend to the machines needs both physical as the omnisia decrees and spiritual prayer and percussive maintanance
@@marley7868 yeah that is awesome
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 yeah mainly cause it makes sense it also lends itself well to humanity is divine for we are given access to gods knowledge it's a neat system
@@marley7868 I'm like that already with engines. No apocalypse needed 😆
@@greatkhan7278 again it makes sense if nothing else luck is real and luck is the basis for a good chunk of superstitions
Scabrous Scrotus, Joe's third son, does actually appear in the Mad Max tie-in game they made for Fury Road. Not sure whether Max kills him before or after Immortan Joe, but I just thought I'd point that out.
He dies right before fury road. Max leaves gas town territory and ends deeper into immortal territory; the recent death of hope and glory are the reason he keeps having “visions” of them in the movie.
I guess zealot was right about Scabrous being psychotic, considering he survives a chainsaw to the brain.
The bullet farmer's tread vehicle was CONSTANTLY breaking down on set
Got the respirator part wrong. He wears it to breath clean air, basically flexing on the others
Nope, he needs it you can see how his mouth is covered in blood when he carries andharad body
"Joe responds with the full force of his inadequate army. Leaving his kingdom vulnerable to attack"
Just like Sauron in Lord of the Rings. I mean... even a few orcs as guards or maybe a basic wooden door with a padlock would have stopped Sam and Frodo.
Actually, based on a video or two I've watched, the ring itself was so compelling, no one on Middle-Earth would think to drop it into the volcanic mass of Mt. Doom. The reason why Sauron left it open was because, let's face it, look at his defenses. He's got legions of armies surrounding many areas, following the mountainous regions, Shelob blocking the secret pathway to Mordor, and the thousands of orcs standing inside the land, followed by Sauron's eye. He was confident, perhaps too confident with his kingdom.
@@christianwilliams2617 exactly, bad comparison, Sauron was in a last resort scenario, he was all in due to the entire ring being destroyed in the mount doom place loophole he conveniently forgot about for a few hundred years.
Like already said it was inconceivable that someone would try to destroy the ring. Sauron assumed they were gonna try and use it against him in the battle.
@@caitlynharbidge3056 What loophole? He was perfectly aware of the Danger of Mount Doom, but it was an unimportant and stupid "danger". Not only would someone need to slip through his defenses, find the correct path, kill the fucking massive spider that hasn't even been scratched in decades or centuries, and a lot of other shit, they would have to resist the Ring's influence to the very end while close to Sauron's seat of power, where the Ring's influence would be at it's worst. When said influence threatened to fuck up the minds of people like Gandalf when they were FAR AWAY from Mordor, and even finally destroyed Frodo's resilience despite the natural hardiness of Hobbit's to the powers of the Ring once he was finally that close, Sauron would have been crazy to worry obsessively about it.
As the final nail in the coffin, he believed Aragorn actually had the ring, and was far too late to rectify his mistake when he knew better.
Amazing, everything you said was wrong.
His giant son the one who rips the supercharger off was once a famous bank robber in Australia .
Well, he's ready for Mad Max then
Really? I assumed he'd be an ex wrestler tbh. I got strong Dwayne Johnson/Dave Bautista vibes from him
@@greatkhan7278 Actually you're right too. After he got out of prison he got into pro-wrestling. The WWE at the time thought that his real criminal background could be good marketing as a bad guy, and he seriously looked the part of a monsterous thug. They had high hopes for him, but he just didn't have much talent for the craft. He transitioned into acting after leaving WWE and moved back to Australia.
Boisterous Australian baseball announcer mixed with passionless Vulcan commentary is an interesting dichotomy.
We actually call it softball here.
Ceaser’s Legion from Fallout: New Vegas would be a nice addition
Oxhorn did a whole 48-minute long video on why the legion is doomed to fail. you might want to go see that
The NCR is doomed because they emulate a failed empire! I ceaser shall avoid this by emulating Rome another failed empire that coincidently was also the basis for the USA and by extension the NCR!
My plan is flawless!
Why do people think he's a smart villain again?
@@vonfaustien3957 The difference between the Romans and the US is that Rome lasted for a millennia, the US looks like its falling apart after 200.
@@scutumfidelis1436 millenia is a little too much... But a good 700 years, is enough awesomeness! Unless you are considering the Byzantines. If then, i m sorry for downplaying the east empire.
Both the ncr and caesars are prone to a terrible fail... But the ncr as we know it shall live more, specially because after caesar dies, and hia successor is the beast of the east, rebellion shall soon overcome... While the ncr is more stable, but is repeating the same mistakes as the us, and sooner or later they will end in the same crossroads.
Hey, you may be correct in all this, but let us not forget, the heavy metal rock barge is freaking awesome.
I was gonna recommend SEELE (Neon Genisis Evangelion) for villains too stupid to win, but then I remembered that they DO win (although not entirely due to their own actions)
"...engines and vehicles are man-made machines, there's obviously nothing divine about them."
_Angry Adeptus Mechanicus noises_
Literally right after the " what divine apparatus needs the blood sweat and tears of man to keep it going" line I got a ford commercial 😂
An idea for Villains too stupid to live: the Robotech masters from Robotech. I give the Protoculture from SDF Macross a pass on your roast lists as they did better than Harmony Gold's stupid ideas.
Blame (Fuck) Harmony Gold for that.
Guy guy let look at the gi, joe
@Joong Kim that was the Bdol Zer Fleet. There are still hundreds of smaller fleets still out there. Heck there might be fleets just as large as the one from SDF Macross.
It always came across as an incredibly inefficient foreign policy plan to me tbh. They see the value in humans but because they never actually bothered with negotiations they had no direction.
Yup...
How would *Tuvok* run this Kingdom?
He also has the advantage of a much longer lifespan.
They would be in the space age within 2 years of Tuvok ruling them lmao.
@@kingbyrd.1512 we would atleast be in a situation similar to current life standards by then
There are so many good options for these series. I still think the Reapers are a great choice since they do actually get increasingly stupid as the original trilogy goes along.
From ME?
Well they all are infected with crazy juice so it lines up
The music being louder than the vehicles makes them signals for changes in attack and formation
I never watched any Star Trek on any medium, but the number of fitting dialogue the highly-logical black Star Trek guy has is pretty impressive. He has 4-6 perfectly in-context lines per video.
i feel like every point you made here was correct.. and part of the films purpose. Joe was obviously a short sighted ego maniac and every decision he makes fits that sort of character
I just love the "traveling circus" analogy XD
Idea for Villains Too Stupid to Win: The Skeksis from _The Dark Crystal_ . _Age of Resistance_ depicts them repeatedly fucking up.
What do you expect from a race that has stripped itself of any sense of self control and moderation, combined with the very real fear of death (especially when they do not share a connection to the land of Thra that the Gelflings possess). Even if they won, their end was inevitable.
@@patrickmcginty3234 Hell yes...
Yes, @@jacuzzi.834-57 and Patrick McGinty. Still, one of the best fantasy movies I have ever seen.
Patrick McGinty Still, it says something when the sanest Skeksis is the most treacherous one (Skeksil, the Chamberlain)
@M33ble which could be shown better. So far, the Mystics have been portrayed as perfect which really shouldn't be given what they are supposedly supposed to be
Theres actually a video by "Logos made Flesh" that explains Immortan Joe has actually been attempting to produce an heir for many many years, explaining how the human cows (the fat women who are milked) were actually once his "breeders", but after repeated failed attempts at a healthy son, they were forced to become "milkers", the "Brides" in the movie were his last hope at a healthy son
Honestly when the idea of military tanks came up I just remembered that most of these people are with just basic knowledge in mechanics and basic chemistry, like the formula for gunpowder is only known by a few people so advance military specs would have to be rare and even more so someone who can read it , like max doesn’t even really remember who he was before the war it’s just his instincts that he remembered from advance combat training so yea joe was just some tough guy with a gun and got lucky
Gunpowder was invented literally hundreds of years ago.
@@purplefood1 maybe, but without TH-cam could you make it? I wouldn't know where to start. You'd hope someone who knew how to make it might survive a nuclear war, or survive a nuclear famine, or butchered by roaming gangs
@@greatkhan7278 uhh yes. Long ago in the mists of the ancient times before the invention of the internet they had these things called books.
@@purplefood1 hahaha true but knowledge can sometimes be difficult to come by in end times. Sometimes hoarded and hidden sometimes destroyed through fear or jealously
@@greatkhan7278 That's not an unfair assumption though again gunpowder is actually a relatively simple recipe.
In fiction, has there ever been an empire that wasn't evil or incompetent?
Halo's Forerunners. They took some evil actions on occasion but it was always done in pursuit of the greater good as responsible caretakers of the galaxy.
The first Persian Empire ruled by Cyrus The Great
@@ronjayrose9706 Is that fiction or reality?
All four of my Multiversal Empires in my planned novel series.
Each has its own ways of maintaining their territories except for the one faction that dwells in dark matter spaces and pocket dimensions.
At the same time, the four Multiversal Empires have a lot of heated rivalries between each other while fighting off both internal and external problems.
Unionwealth let the independent planets run their own government unless it requires full-time supervision, while the main army of the Unionwealth handles the ongoing frontline battles for expansion.
Cosmowealth is the opposite of the Unionwealth, domination is part of the standard process when the planet has valuable resources or civilizations, basically strict iron governance.
CyberianHive may be the second-biggest faction and they were previously known to commit galactic genocide if the galaxy is either useless or being held by one of their enemies, but that was the past after a certain multiverse crisis, and now their AI Cyberpotent leader has taken the choice to test their captured planets if they are either loyal for the Cyber Hive's quest or resist until acceptance or execution.
Warped Fragments are everywhere and nowhere, their ways of maintaining strong leadership are completely random or varying, but it all comes to one major requirement: Sacrificing all of your sanity and accepting the embrace of pain and insanity. They are like a virus that can appear out of nowhere and all three Factions hate these annoying motherfuckers.
The Shadow Church of the Mightnight RPG setting. 700 years of ruling a world that basically reads like "If Sauron won at Pellenor Fields and recovered the ring."
"not to mention engines and vehicles are man made machines, there's quite obviously nothing divine about them"
>Cult Mechanicus has entered the chat.
these guys deserve their own section in villains too stupid to win.
League of votaan is watching in judgement
Tuvok is my favorite star trek character and i just love what you did with him. Its pure art
I personally theorize that a lot of the rigs that were part of Joe's army weren't so much purpose built as they were pulled of scavengers, wanderers, and raids on other groups.
Like, we see what they did with Max's car. Stands to reason they did that with the rest.
So, "Where are the tanks?" Easy. They already got blown up.
The big reason they don't have tanks is cause tanks are stupidly heavy, the Abrams for example gets .6 mpg, and a mere 20% decrease in fuel economy would make it 2 gallons per mile, but with degradation of parts, lower quality fuel then can be made now. I think that's a generous estimate to it's mpg
The Flamethrower-Guitar truck does serve a practical purpose. It's the only thing louder than all the cars, and it acts as war drums, which are mainly used as a form of signaling.
Uh oh look out we've got an edgy boy on our hands!! Take that religion this rebel doesn't care! And hes missed a huge part. "They're all cancer riddled and half dead", thats exactly why he doesn't use resources on good war machines because he doesn't have people adequate enough to properly use them. So for him, his followers ravenous dedication to the belief system he created is a more effective weapon. His fighters are frail and half useless. Their best quality is their willingness to die. They don't need resource costly high quality machines to kamikaze.
I agree with you for the scheme. The problem is that in real life, even loosely connected but healthy individuals are usually better than fanatic and united but close-dead ones. That went in such a length in real life that in so much species, like alligators and so on, running on degraded characteristics TO THE POINT OF IMPEDING THE BRAIN WORK has evolved into becoming a preserved genetic pattern.
I really wonder what would become of our Mankind if ever no place on Earth could allow correct brain development in the same time of physical development. But I doubt the evolutively winning result would always be "rachitism with a mental tooth for suicide". After all it might be as well "normal body development with a different tooth for suicide", or "normal body development with no tooth for suicide". Well we just don't know.
it's funny seeing religious folk try to act aloof when someone pokes fun at the clergy
religious people are so fragile you can make fun of a fictional death cult and they get mad
I legit thought his name was "Important Joe" lol
Edit: WOW, 229! Pretty sure this is my most popular comment ever! Thanks erry-body!!!
Ah more like Immoral Joe
Impotent joe he
@@zanezaminsky2417 Clearly not "that" impotent.
@@swahiliranger1022 *competent
I thought it was Immortal Joe ,well we we're both close lol
I think the point of Immortan Joe was that he completely bought into his hype, believed he was a god like being and not a warlord that got lucky.
It's a nuclear war, totally confirmed in Mad Max: The Road Warrior's beginning narration.
Also Fury Road totally takes some of It's plot points from it. It's a good mix
I really have loved this video, but you have forgotten one fondamental point about Joe's personality: putting Furiosa in a so prominent position in his army, his over-reaction to the wives runaway and even the musical truck are manifstations of his hypertrofic ego, self conviction to be a god and ultimally, total insanity. Immortan Joe is crazy as f*ck, it is impossible to expect a lucid behaviour from someone in his mental conditions.
The funny thing is, the internet there is actually better post-apocalypse.
What do you mean?
@@evanjones5609 You must not know how bad Australian internet is.
I didn’t understand at the start...
But then... I got it.
@@gavinerickson9392 hahaahhaahhaahaah...
The cyber-wasteland
Why was he not able to hoard military vehicles and equipment considering that he was a high ranking military officer before the apocalypse?
Because they wouldn't look as cool and because movie
Military vehicles take a lot of effort to keep running before the apocalypse never mind after
@@j-bard5409 you think the V8s in Immortan's vehicles are gas guzzlers, an Abrams Tank's Gas Turbine would embarrass them all; also no warboy is going to be able to fix a gas turbine.
Even if you use a more suitable vehicle like an IFV, they are still only getting around 5mpg, which might be half of most of Immortan's fleet.
The question arises do you even need thta much protection when everyone is so poorly armed and. 308 is probably the largest caliber around.
In regards to most tanks or IFVs, their weapons are probably useless as I don't trust anyone in that universe to be able to manufacture the correct (not dangerous to user) ammo.
Easy, too much work to maintain for unnecessary gains. Not a lot of guns going around in this universe and even less tech knowledge or ACTUAL engineering skill. Anything more specialized than what they show would just end up sitting around unused for kids to play on.
@@Surefire11B any idiot with half a brain can maintain an older V8 a tank requires a lot of of training and skill to maintain
To be fair, since you used the comic, the weapons are really effective in the game.
True, not the best if you want to salvage, but they do the job to destroy/disable other vehicles.
The thunderpoon is more practical, since its designed to be fired out with speed that gives it a lot of range that a thrown explosive spear couldn't ever have
The really sad part is nothing in the movie even had to happen for Joe to lose. His entire society was built upon his war boys and raiding nearby settlements. Yet the surrounding landscape is utterly barren and his troops are too undisciplined to ever leave survivors or people with resources left. This means eventually there will be no one else to fight.
This would leave Joe with a sucidal group of cancer patients who seek glorious combat and death... with no one to fight. Even if the Citadel could fully function without outside resources, most of the middle class and his warriors would probably not do well with idle hands. So even if every thing mentioned in this video didn't happen, the society would still fall.
Theory. Imortan Joe was never really the true leader, he was simply the mouth piece of The Doof Warrior. How can he not be in charge if he is that frickin cool.
All these evil villain leaders always forget they do have a date with mortality.
Don’t we all?
I mean, leading a death cult and controlling the lives of thousands in your hands must be some kind of power trip
But he didn't forget, that's his whole obsession. Continuing his legacy after his death. He just didn't go about it in the smartest way...
That's the problem when people start believing their own BS-propaganda. Kinda like if Kim Jong Un decided to stop using the bathroom. Because, you know, North Koreans are told that "dear leader" is so perfect that he never has to take a crap.
Most of that’s just American propaganda
I would love to see you roast the elder god from the Legacy of Kain series. That guy sees a point where Kain could one day destroy him, and orchestrates things to the point where that exact thing might have happened if they would make another game in the series.
There were so many Star trek clips that I thought there was gonna be a crossover.
“Engines and vehicles are man-made, there’s quite obviously nothing divine about them.” The Adeptus Mechanicus would like to speak with you.
The music truck is not only for a morale boost. I think they use it to coordinate the army. Like drummers in the past. The music dictates if they should attack, chase, stop or do whatever. But maybe not.
I swear there are more Star Trek scenes used in this video than actually scenes from mad max.
I was today years old when I learned that Mad Max was taking place on Australia this whole time. That explains a lot
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The Cult Mechanicus would like to speak to you
these machines aren't blessed by techpriests,they are build by degenerated savages. so yeah,nothing divine about it.
"5 day old chicken meat wrapped in plastic wrap" lol. Nailed it.
I mean, give the music car some credit, war drums have been a part of advancing armies for ages.
Could you please consider covering Panem from The Hunger Games given that there's a new Prequel book out?
Immortan Joe also has some pretty interesting technology that would have been really good for this future, such as the ability to flatten roads, do blood type testing and other mechanical engineering prowess. Why do the smart become such greedy fascists? Hehe
Blood type testing actually isn't that difficult or technologically complicated if you know what you are doing and have a population to take samples from. The reason it wasn't developed sooner was just that people had no idea that blood types were a thing.
Because they're poorly written, obviously. It's really sad when people take poorly written hollywood schlock and think it's realistic. Base their worldviews off of it.
@@farmerboy916 You clearly overestimate post-apocalyptic societies.
@@TheWoollyFrog Oh, they could be totally wacky as fuck or be surprisingly advanced depending on the exact circumstances and which society; there are likely going to be weird cultist tribes, totalitarian societies, and scientific enclaves living side by side for a short while until a new sustainable normal is established over time and various weridos die out. There's a lot of historical precedent for a lot of things. Arguably mad max isn't a standard post apocalypse mind, but a post-post-post multi-apocalypse or something like that. It's super contrived by this point, in the lore.
I was primarily responding to "Why do the smart become such greedy fascists? Hehe" though; they are simply poorly written. Anyone with half a brain would have used this tech to do the intelligent thing and create effectively the last city in Australia, then revitalize/ colonize the depleted mire, and build a nation state.
At least then you could have an intelligent or intelligently written greedy fascist, though going for a more monarchical yet merit based authoritarianism rather than single-party-based system (there would probably have to be a new type of system named for it) would still be more intelligent. And it would have a logical reason to exist and have come about even if fascist, people seeking protection and resources from the monarch/ dictator.
So no, it's _still_ because they're poorly written; in this they just all decided to destroy shit and become motor cultist raiders when they have resources, because reasons. They aren't very intelligent and everything is because of the aesthetic rather than internal logical consistency.
Dang EgBrandan, way to take the air out of the room. 😁
I wouldn’t say that is a poorly written aspect. Intelligent people are no different than nincompoops, and power creates a corrupt mindset. Typically the intelligent watch idly as their creations become used for means they did not intend. They either stand aside and let those with the charisma steal and misappropriate their creations or they become the demon they despise because of the lack of options and the high they attain.
I would have to say the comics kinda ruined a potential back story for Joe, but it is clear he is the smartest man in the room and decided to use his gifts in a different way. Just because you are brilliant doesn’t mean you are altruistic. Look at some of the richest men in the world. They used to be smart and savvy and cutting edge. Now they just buy-out the work of others and paste their stamp on it.
_* Is the Federation really smart enough to exist? *_ I mean they have good sensors and all but is that really enough?
They've got Tuvok and that's all they need to thrive.
@@Flaris Look up the discussion between a Klingon ambassador and head of the Vulcan science academy. His explanation works for this.
Actually......no. After Scotty discovered how to teleport across the stars, Starfleet should have been dissolved. And one could say 'it's no longer cannon' as the whole original show was rebooted- But oh wait. Leonard Nimoy was brought back as Spoke and introduced a younger Scotty to his principle thus making it no longer a 'reboot' but a 'continuation'. But man if that was used for a basic story concept instead of recent Star Trek series, like, "Starfleet has been rendered obsolete, star traveling teleport stations spread across the galaxy, highly protected but from within but a dark secret is hidden and uncovered by a few. To save the Federation and galaxy a small group of former starfleet crew members must take a small shuttle, the last shuttle designed and avoid the teleport stations guarded by the evil cabal bent on conquest to make their way to Earth to warn everyone." I would be interested in seeing that.
@@madisonatteberry9720 The total failure of Star Fleet to learn anything from Kirk's seven year mission, with everything resetting every week is the stupidest thing in Sci Fi. I'd love to see some cut in Tuvok commentary on the original series. People would loose their $hit.
@@madisonatteberry9720 I don't know if Starfleet would have been dissolved completely, but you're right, when you can teleport organic and inorganic matter across millions of light years using the same amount of power necessary to move a space ship, traditional means of space travel become inadequate. They'd still need space ships for colonizing worlds that don't have transfer stations and/or acquiring space exclusive resources, plus defending from asteroids and what-not, but yeah, Starfleet would be phased out and made less significant.
Whats funny about these is everytime you point how a villain is too stupid to exist I can think of several real life examples of their stupidity. Which is why when I watch fiction stupid villains ring true to me.
5:20 Fun Fact: Scabrous Scrotus appears as the main villain of the Mad Max video game.
What is this, a TH-cam channel for ants? It needs to be at least three times bigger!
While I agree with your every criticism of Immortan Joe's organization, I also think it's fair to say that all of those flaws were intentional creative decisions rather than mere oversights, given that so many of those chickens come home to roost within the plot itself.
Well the fact that these man made machines work in the first place can be somewhat seen as divine. Cough war hammer 40k
Too be fair the guitar truck isnt just a music machine. It acted as a drummer boy. Bursts of flames and different chords for left, right, flank, move out, and so on.
"Engines and vehicles are man-made machines. There is quite obviously nothing divine about them"
Adeptus Mechanicus would like to know your location.
How convenient I was just rewatching clips of the movie!
Edit: does anyone get an excuse on the account of being absolutely demented?
Dementia isn't mutually exclusive with being a complete moron.
Scrotus is the main antagonist of the mad max game (which is actually really good believe it or not) and Scrotus seems to focus more on making people fear him rather than actually ruling anything. such as elaborate scarecrow constructs containing the mutilated corpses of dozens of people dotted across the landscape and having his second in command be even crazier than he is be allowed to just roam about and kill whoever they find. If scrotus were to be in charge of the citadel, he would likely kill nearly all of the lower class people there.
I knew he would come in the list
The actor who played Immortan Joe was the same actor who played Toecutter in the original mad max (Hugh Keays-Byrne)
"...But instead imortum joe builds his empire on a house of cards...." So i take you never heard of Consantine the first?
Joe is the good guy. Watch how our main characters squander water. They stop in the desert to take baths. The Vulvalini wasted all the water at The Green Place of Many Mothers. When they steal the aquifer, they immediately just leave it running. How long till it goes dry too? And regarding the “slavery” of the ladies. How do you think all those mutated homeless cannibals downstairs would treat young women who looked like that? They’d be raped constantly until they eventually starve to death and get cannibalized. Joe keeps them safe, fed, and educated. All he asks in return is for them to perform their natural bodily functions. And he does this in the interest of saving humanity. Humans are horribly deformed and dying off. He’s breeding the least deformed people to try to prevent extinction. The Vulvalini will wipe out the survivors in a matter of weeks. Why do you think Max left? He was fleeing from these short-sighted idiots and their terrible leadership.
At the end of the day moral fools cannot save anyone they will seek a path that (falsely) saves their conscience rather than doing smth that builds a better tomorow.
Its pretty much Slipknot if they were in Australia during the nuclear war.
Suprised Corey taylor wasn't really joe
Every time I see this movie I think of a mix between Slipknot and Rob Zombie
To be honest I'm surprised he even survived the early days of the collapse. Because he could've easily came up against a Government remnant faction that could've easily destroy his faction of bandits, Or any faction for that matter
his was a gvt remnant faction obv, 'general joe'
@@stainedClass2112I meant some faction like the enclave but Australian Goverment. Plus more like military deserters like the BOS but stupider and less tech advanced.
Luck, in most stories you don't see all the people that fail, only those that succeed.
"This war $$$ could have been better invested than this wall of noise."
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Explain me bagpipes, then.
Got this video on my recommended list the same day Hugh Keays-Birne passed away. Rest in peace, may you ride eternal shiny and chrome
That movie DEMANDS you put logic and reality on hold throughout the entire length. Go in thinking it's gonna make sense and you're toast. TOAST!
We germans have a saying. "Nach mir die Sintflut." Joe is living it.
Yeah don't offer translation or anything
@@steelbear2063 translated it would be "after me the flood" meaning that you don't care what happens to the world/environment after you've died or did/got what you wanted
That... would explain somethings...
Doesn't apply tho. He clearly does care what comes after him
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 only too late
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*ANGRY MECHANICUS NOISE*
Machine god: allow me to introduce myself
Someone has never heard of religion, military, or government. Every point you made has been successful within those three groups for thousands of years. You made a video about how Joe would win for all of human existence and accidentally thought you were making a video about how he wouldn’t win. We have real life proof that everything he does works perfectly.
No it will not. Because of the points he brought up first. But its still a beautiful action movie.
@@michaeldiekmann6494 It's complicated. Half the wars in history seem to be due to the problem of monarchical succession, and Joe's fighting tactics are crap. But most societies in history have been terribly abusive in similar ways to Joe's, and a large fraction of any population seems to prefer an abusive government (Republicans, say).
@@robertmiller9735 Democrats actually are the party that keeps adding in new government powers, don't forget most of the powers Trump now uses where made by Obama and the democrats.
I like how one of his points is that Joe's empire will collapse after his death. Let's see if Joe cares that much. Hm, uh-huh, nope, not very much
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD Both sides add to government powers. The Patriot Act was passed in 2001, under President Bush. It was supported by both Democrats and Republicans. The war on terror greatly expanded government surveillance, military, police, and extra-judicial powers. Obama and the Democrats promised they would curb those expansions. But with the exception of executive orders to reduce torture and NSA surveillance, they continued to use and expand most of those powers, like the drone program.
Mad Max is as much about social commentary as it is about extravagant eye candy.