I am pretty sure with laptop APUs the graphics are pretty much the same through out the lineup the big change is processor. Maybe this generation will be different but I doubt that.
Yeah, I don't think $800-$1200 laptops with 3050s and 4060s are going to feel much pressure from $2000-$2500 professional laptops. These aren't gaming systems.
I really hope AMD can just remove NVIDIA from laptops. The amount of nonsense I had to explain to my friends and the amount of literal e-waste some ftiends of mine bought because of the naming schemes just hurts.
@@famousfighter2310 a bunch of 4050 laptops with a nice 200€ on top of the normal price because they didn't understand why this laptop was bad. One friend even thought he found a deal, just to discover there was no OS installed on it.
@lukylucasgaming9446 There's absolutely no way, 5080 desktop is around 4090 level of performance, it has way more cores and use a lot more power than 5090 laptop. 5090 laptop would most likely be between 4070Ti Super and 4080 desktop level of performance at 175W.
No matter how good they are, laptop manufacturers will always force a dedicated gpu down our throats instead of just giving us a whole bunch of RAM to add to our APU.
The apus will never perform to the level of a full cpu. The best apu they are releasing is litterally half as good as a 7945hx. Not to mention we have the x3d variant. And still, the 4090m beats the apu. The only thing that makes the apu preferable is less power draw and the npu.
Can't do it, it requires a 256bit wide memory bus, and with dual channel memory your at 128 bit wide, also considering it's socketed RAM you can't run it as fast as soldered RAM. They would need to make a special motherboard and solder RAM to it to take full advantage. Admittedly for desktop you could just run RAM that consumes more power to get the speed, but that still leaves you with the issue of needing quad channel memory. And all this for an APU... when dGPUs already exist, it's not worth it by a long shot, it would be way more expensive than dGPU + regular CPU. Maybe for a mini PC, but at that point you would just be using laptop components inside a small box which is nothing particularly new and again it will be expensive.
@@Etheoma Yeah this is the kind of mediocrity of DMI bus , I think we need to move from this bullshit or else by the time ddr 6 or ddr 7 is released if we stick with 128 bit bus we will be having like CL 200 timing with 20000mt/s memory :D
@@bfish9700 There are motherboards in desktop form factors with soldered mobile APUs like the Minisforum BD790i. So it can be done, you just wouldn't be able to upgrade the platform. You can also bet this will be widely used for miniPCs.
I wish amd included their most powerful igpu's within mid tier apu's. 40 cu's with a 6 or 8 core cpu seems far more useful in more scenarios than pairing it with a 16 core cpu. An actually decent budget gaming pc would be such an easy option.
Even if AMD doing such thing price will still be a problem. Sure it is a bit cheaper but budget gamer have no issues buying last gen stuff that is even cheaper. Worse AMD GPU have always been discounted down the road offering massive performance at cheaper price. Another issue is bandwidth. 40CU? no DDR5 can properly feed that kind of GPU. Not even one with 10,000mhz speed.
You really think AMD won't snatch defeat from the jaws of victory again? They could have gained vast mindshare from Intel and Nvidia if they simply had priced Strix Point according to its performance. 20-30% pricier than Hawk Point, plus inflation. It would've sat perfectly in the niche of beating every iGPU while being cheaper and drawing less power than including a dGPU. But they had to please shareholders short-term by DOUBLING the price, once again letting Intel + Nvidia into the fight. Won't be surprised if Halo is 3X or 4X the price of Hawk Point, because AI and workstations and access to more RAM, or something. 4070 performance but costs more than a 4070 laptop and releasing 2 years later, while Nvidia is about to introduce the 5000 series. Genius.
Eh, intel’s not really a threat at the moment. People are going to buy Nvidia regardless of its in the same league. It doesn’t matter what price the competition is at.
@@apricotmadness4850Yeah, that's another reason they should meaningfully undercut Nvidia rather than being part of a price cartel with them. Of course TSMC is part of the problem with their constant price hikes on silicon since they have no cutting-edge competition. But to my knowledge the new node didn't double prices; that was AMD padding their margins.
@@S3lvahundercutting nvidia price is useless game. Nvidia can simply adjust their price. Also nvidia branding right now end up being too powerful unlike 5-8 years ago. I saw many AMD APU laptop end up being paired with nvidia gpu because that nvidia logo what makes people pick the laptop. About a decade ago AMD admit that going with cheap price was one of their mistake because it end up devalue their brand as "cheap alternative that not so good".
@@arenzricodexd4409 I'm at peace with some OEMs putting extraneous Nvidia cards on their laptops as long as there's at least a few out there who don't do it. And AMD can hike their prices to appear more premium all they want, but the outcome is their sales will suck and they will lose even more mindshare to Nvidia than they already have.
Halo laptops are going to be eye wateringly expensive. The only sku i am interested in is the 12 core, 40 cu and id be shocked to see thar below $2500.
lol I wish they cost $1200. Here you can't even find a Strix Point laptop for under 2K atm, much less Halo. I read (not confirmed info) that Strix is not a true successor to Phoenix but a premium offshoot, and that Krackan is meant to be the cheaper option, but it has half the iGPU CUs of Strix Point so will likely be worse than Phoenix XD
@@denverbasshead This is one of the most unhinged and out of touch comments I've seen on TH-cam. No one cares about laptops and their 100c average temps and the fact that you can get a mini-ITX PC if you're travelling between places. Laptops are literal hot garbage that's overpriced and are always inferior to a desktop card or processor.
@@denverbasshead The companies do care and that's exactly my point. You think they spend more time and effort thinking about laptop gamers or users? it's only the other way around, nobody cares about making a laptop that doesn't run at 90C+ all the time, no one cares about making a 4090 mobile that's like a desktop 4090. People buy mini-ITX computers instead of laptops and the fact that laptops are literally so fragile and they get moved around all the time, imagine your $3000 worth of a system with a 4090 and a 14900k is 1 date away with the floor from becoming junk, which isn't the case with a well-protected case that always sits in its place.
@@denverbassheadWhere I live no one cares about laptops other than students going to the university... Long goes the times of like 2005 which lots of ppl were in coffees and restaurants with their laptops, nowadays is just phones and maybe a few tablets which are also rare to even see nowadays outside homes here, I also stop using my tablet outside home many years ago. Currently I also have 0 laptops, my last one is from 2012 and I just gave it to my father ages ago, a 11.5 inch high power I7 + GT650M...
I wonder if Medusa Halo (using a UDNA 1 GPU?) can hit RTX 3080 performance (in raster and RT performance)? That would be nice and enable really good gaming laptops that don't cost so much.
i mean, at that level, it would basically render the need of a dedicated gpu for gaming laptops useless, unless for real hardcore gamers or workstations.
more like a 4060 ti desktop and we are talking about laptop chips so yea I was talking about laptop versions of said SKUs Having that said medusa ridge with multiple chiplets given enough power wouldn't surprise me if it can meet or exceed rtx 3080 desktop performance especially taking into account that it is a future gen architecture and current gen, strix halo performs as good as a 4060 ti desktop which by its turn is a little bit slower than a desktop 3070.
That is really a gamechanger for a laptops (and budget desktops). Only 4080 at 19000 and 4090 at 22500 at this point, meaning this will be a killer for all but high-end mobile. Glad to see that someone covers the laptop market. 👍
Would it be as good as NVidia in terms of Cuda and tensor cores for us Machine Learning Engineers? I would appreciate your reply. You're my favorite Tech-fluencer.
this will not change the pricing of the laptops tho strix point laptops are ridiculously expensive, even handhelds and here comes strix halo even more expensive
If there's one takeaway from Strix Point (/Halo) you need to takeaway, it's that this product is designed to royally bend over its customers. AMD absolutely can, if they want to, decimate the low to mid tier on both laptop and desktop, but that would mean another Zen2 'aggressive pricing' strategy - and, here, they DO have the product to do that. Unfortunately, they are now in a financial position to bend customers over...and they damn well will.
That might work in desktop DIY market but not in laptop market. With laptop market with every design win AMD need to contribute towards the laptop R&D as well. It is not as simple as OEM buying AMD parts to be used in the said laptop. In the past AMD end up rejecting most OEM offer because they feel the amount of R&D spend vs the amount of revenue they might get did not worth the effort. Now to push aggressive price is even more of a question if AMD think the initial effort are not worth it.
i love amds APU i take it with me in the field then when at home i connect my gpu to the nvme slot and have full 4k gaming and cheaper n ez to return if under warranty
Surely these chips would benefit from using GDDR6 / 7 wouldn't they? Like maybe on a 256-bit bus? Basically a PS6 Pro in a laptop (but using Zen 5 not Zen 2!)
you're missing the point. this isn't for competing with discrete gpus. it's for REPLACING them. honestly, if you have this apu, you basically don't need a gpu for anything. also this is going to easily be the cheapest way to run 70b+ LMs locally on pc with good speed. i'm grabbing myself a machine powered by this just for that. put 128gb of ram and you can run any AI you imagine in it.
Hmmm....I dunno, those Timespy scores seem awfully sus.... There is no data on configurations either... But I plopped my former XFX RX 6700 XT (Qick 319 black edition for the full name) and benched both Timespy and Timespy Extreme at both 1920x1080 and 3440x1440P, and I know the numbers for that GPU are a million billion miles off of what I am seeing... Meh, I'll just wait for the actual reviews (I've never been one for jumping on hype-trains anyways). 🙂 What I do know is that I wish you a very Merry Christmas!!!!!!
We're kidding ourselves if we think this is going to translate to real savings on our end. Even if it does, only those in the US will really benefit. I'm in Canada, and current AMD APU laptops are still way worse value than budget gaming laptops with a 3060 in it. Perhaps in a year or two these options will trickle down to other regions and provide real value.
unfortunately AMD got greedy with strix point and make it too expensive to be appealing, considering the price strix halo is a pretty huge disappointment, and we need to wait for kraken point to know if AMD still want to make good APU
I think AMD APU(s) putting pressure on Apple silicon is where things get really interesting. Those are the comparisons I think that matter from both a performance and value comparison.
Been waiting for the day integrated graphics can compete with dedicated for a long time. The only downside really is lack of VRAM on an APU, which is becoming more important not less.
Yeah it's sad that they still haven't made the Apus to be able to let the GPU part access soldered GDDR7 chips exclusively while leaving the DDR5 accessible by all if it needed some more mem to the GPU... I have the Asus ROG Ally and thought the ~8TF was fake like I saw somewhere in the internet that was half float precision FP16 performance but in fact it's actually full float performance FP32 but severely underperforms on the real world as it's more like 4TF of like RX480 generation and I'm almost sure it can only be due to the lack of proper mem bandwidth. I wonder how it would perform if it had like at least access to 256GBps mems 😮
@@arenzricodexd4409 I don't think it does, all consoles are like that and handhelds and some laptops already use LPDDR instead which is also soldered to the board. I'm guessing the purpose of the APU is simply to not have a external soldered GPU instead. I think it's a bit stupid building a crazy high TF GPU inside the APU to perform at like half it's actual true real performance because of being constrained by having to use the normal DDR5/LPDDR5. For handheld in particular would have been awesome to have 16GB of fast LPDDR5 + 8GB of fast GDDR7 with clock management in the software to be able to chose clocks for battery VS wall charger and even be able to chose to turn the GDDR7 Off and just use LPDDR5 for the best battery time for older games. Now this would definitely have been epic...
Strix Point Halo laptops will only outcompete laptops with discrete GPUs if they beat them at price/frame. I'm hoping AMD succeeds eventually. I was able to get a new laptop with a Radeon 7700S for $650 this summer, and Strix Point Halo laptops will be priced starting at double that or more.
If Strix Halo(RDNA 3.5) = 4070 performance. AMD must be pulling their punches on RDNA4 dGPUs. Will it be =< 4080s. I would say it should be. Then again maybe not.
woooow a mobile apu with nearly the same power as my gpu this is sick! so the 8060s is really good for 1440p high/ultra gaming (i know its a benchmark no game but this score is sick!) i really hope it comes out on desktop pc damn i tryed to use 2d to 3D rendering then layers sharpen and upscale the box too 50000x50000 but at end a cant read anything so its only 2 things 1: its fake with AI or 2: its no fake but the worst quality i ever seen.
Until AMD gets more 3rd party developers on board with optimizing their software for AMD GPUs, nVidia GPUs aren't going anywhere, especially in the workstation market. Right now, only RedShift supports AMD GPUs, and that support is kind of half-assed because there are so few AMD GPUs in workstations. I'm hoping ROCm including support for Strix Halo will help with that.
AMD probably will give most focus for ROCm with UDNA. the reason AMD transition to UDNA was because AMD said it is hard to maintain CDNA and RDNA that is built differently.
Oh.... click bait 4070 laptop equivalent... projected price of $480 for the APU... No thanks if a B580 can be eventually had for $250, and a $200 CPU is a around a 7600x....
Too bad laptops are hot garbage and the worst purchase for gamers. You will pay out the teeth for a sluggish system and not be able to upgrade anything in a year or two when it either is so slow its hard to use or it just take a dump.
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Where is "these parts"?
RIP budget GPUs my ass it's called Strix Point Halo for a reason, because it's meant to go in halo tier laptops.
Yeh, I was gonna say. Someone who would buy a budget GPU ain't gonna afford whatever this shows up in.
I am pretty sure with laptop APUs the graphics are pretty much the same through out the lineup the big change is processor. Maybe this generation will be different but I doubt that.
Do you think they're not going to cut down chips with defects to go in lower tier products or something? 😂
Yeah, I don't think $800-$1200 laptops with 3050s and 4060s are going to feel much pressure from $2000-$2500 professional laptops. These aren't gaming systems.
Current high end laptop AMD cpu are in mini pc from minis forum
I really hope AMD can just remove NVIDIA from laptops. The amount of nonsense I had to explain to my friends and the amount of literal e-waste some ftiends of mine bought because of the naming schemes just hurts.
What did your friends buy and can they return the item?
Rtx 5090m is projected to be about as good as a desktop 4080 super or a 4090...
1. They can't
2. If they do ,monopoly kicked in like VTEC and probably need to cut in pieces
@@famousfighter2310 a bunch of 4050 laptops with a nice 200€ on top of the normal price because they didn't understand why this laptop was bad.
One friend even thought he found a deal, just to discover there was no OS installed on it.
@lukylucasgaming9446 There's absolutely no way, 5080 desktop is around 4090 level of performance, it has way more cores and use a lot more power than 5090 laptop. 5090 laptop would most likely be between 4070Ti Super and 4080 desktop level of performance at 175W.
No matter how good they are, laptop manufacturers will always force a dedicated gpu down our throats instead of just giving us a whole bunch of RAM to add to our APU.
The apus will never perform to the level of a full cpu.
The best apu they are releasing is litterally half as good as a 7945hx. Not to mention we have the x3d variant. And still, the 4090m beats the apu.
The only thing that makes the apu preferable is less power draw and the npu.
16 gb on laptops is the new base
Because they need those nvidia logo to sell the laptop.
sigh its so disappointing cause it feels like they have no clue what users really need but they are just profitmaxxing
AMD is showing NVidia the middle fonger with the 8060S iGPU name! Geez NVidia - why do your 70 series mobile GPUs bately equal a 60-series iGPU !!!
"RIP Budget GPUs" assuming they actually sell it at a budget price.
budget gpu price + premium cpu price = ultra super premium price
I hope they package these APUs on a desktop platform, even if it is an eventual thing.
They can't. They won't fit on the desktop socket.
Can't do it, it requires a 256bit wide memory bus, and with dual channel memory your at 128 bit wide, also considering it's socketed RAM you can't run it as fast as soldered RAM. They would need to make a special motherboard and solder RAM to it to take full advantage. Admittedly for desktop you could just run RAM that consumes more power to get the speed, but that still leaves you with the issue of needing quad channel memory.
And all this for an APU... when dGPUs already exist, it's not worth it by a long shot, it would be way more expensive than dGPU + regular CPU. Maybe for a mini PC, but at that point you would just be using laptop components inside a small box which is nothing particularly new and again it will be expensive.
@@Etheoma Yeah this is the kind of mediocrity of DMI bus , I think we need to move from this bullshit or else by the time ddr 6 or ddr 7 is released if we stick with 128 bit bus we will be having like CL 200 timing with 20000mt/s memory :D
@@bfish9700 There are motherboards in desktop form factors with soldered mobile APUs like the Minisforum BD790i. So it can be done, you just wouldn't be able to upgrade the platform.
You can also bet this will be widely used for miniPCs.
Mini pc are desktops so you will sort of get your wish.
I wish amd included their most powerful igpu's within mid tier apu's. 40 cu's with a 6 or 8 core cpu seems far more useful in more scenarios than pairing it with a 16 core cpu. An actually decent budget gaming pc would be such an easy option.
Even if AMD doing such thing price will still be a problem. Sure it is a bit cheaper but budget gamer have no issues buying last gen stuff that is even cheaper. Worse AMD GPU have always been discounted down the road offering massive performance at cheaper price. Another issue is bandwidth. 40CU? no DDR5 can properly feed that kind of GPU. Not even one with 10,000mhz speed.
You really think AMD won't snatch defeat from the jaws of victory again?
They could have gained vast mindshare from Intel and Nvidia if they simply had priced Strix Point according to its performance. 20-30% pricier than Hawk Point, plus inflation. It would've sat perfectly in the niche of beating every iGPU while being cheaper and drawing less power than including a dGPU. But they had to please shareholders short-term by DOUBLING the price, once again letting Intel + Nvidia into the fight. Won't be surprised if Halo is 3X or 4X the price of Hawk Point, because AI and workstations and access to more RAM, or something. 4070 performance but costs more than a 4070 laptop and releasing 2 years later, while Nvidia is about to introduce the 5000 series. Genius.
Eh, intel’s not really a threat at the moment. People are going to buy Nvidia regardless of its in the same league. It doesn’t matter what price the competition is at.
@@apricotmadness4850Yeah, that's another reason they should meaningfully undercut Nvidia rather than being part of a price cartel with them.
Of course TSMC is part of the problem with their constant price hikes on silicon since they have no cutting-edge competition. But to my knowledge the new node didn't double prices; that was AMD padding their margins.
@@S3lvahundercutting nvidia price is useless game. Nvidia can simply adjust their price. Also nvidia branding right now end up being too powerful unlike 5-8 years ago. I saw many AMD APU laptop end up being paired with nvidia gpu because that nvidia logo what makes people pick the laptop. About a decade ago AMD admit that going with cheap price was one of their mistake because it end up devalue their brand as "cheap alternative that not so good".
@@arenzricodexd4409 I'm at peace with some OEMs putting extraneous Nvidia cards on their laptops as long as there's at least a few out there who don't do it. And AMD can hike their prices to appear more premium all they want, but the outcome is their sales will suck and they will lose even more mindshare to Nvidia than they already have.
Maybe AMD has reached market saturation?
People who buy Nvidia will probably always buy Nvidia exclusively?
looking foward to see the cooling solutions and temps on laptops with this APU. Hopefully they are able to make it run cooler.
Halo laptops are going to be eye wateringly expensive. The only sku i am interested in is the 12 core, 40 cu and id be shocked to see thar below $2500.
Also half the cores are fake low power cores
This things only gonna show up in $1200 laptops, budget gpu’s are here to stay.
lol I wish they cost $1200. Here you can't even find a Strix Point laptop for under 2K atm, much less Halo. I read (not confirmed info) that Strix is not a true successor to Phoenix but a premium offshoot, and that Krackan is meant to be the cheaper option, but it has half the iGPU CUs of Strix Point so will likely be worse than Phoenix XD
how can these be a 4060 level gpu yet we can't have any good gpu's on desktop ?
No one cares about desktop anymore
@@denverbasshead This is one of the most unhinged and out of touch comments I've seen on TH-cam. No one cares about laptops and their 100c average temps and the fact that you can get a mini-ITX PC if you're travelling between places. Laptops are literal hot garbage that's overpriced and are always inferior to a desktop card or processor.
@@Falcon-gl8ll i meant the companies lol
@@denverbasshead The companies do care and that's exactly my point. You think they spend more time and effort thinking about laptop gamers or users? it's only the other way around, nobody cares about making a laptop that doesn't run at 90C+ all the time, no one cares about making a 4090 mobile that's like a desktop 4090. People buy mini-ITX computers instead of laptops and the fact that laptops are literally so fragile and they get moved around all the time, imagine your $3000 worth of a system with a 4090 and a 14900k is 1 date away with the floor from becoming junk, which isn't the case with a well-protected case that always sits in its place.
@@denverbassheadWhere I live no one cares about laptops other than students going to the university...
Long goes the times of like 2005 which lots of ppl were in coffees and restaurants with their laptops, nowadays is just phones and maybe a few tablets which are also rare to even see nowadays outside homes here, I also stop using my tablet outside home many years ago.
Currently I also have 0 laptops, my last one is from 2012 and I just gave it to my father ages ago, a 11.5 inch high power I7 + GT650M...
I hope they port this to desktop also. Would be nice to have a super efficient cpu/iGPU. The sff would be crazy
Mini pc. We will not going to see this APU in AM5 because of it's size.
Any news on a desktop version?
Probably in mini pc at best. But as for regular DIY part it seems that Strix Halo is too big to fit into AM5 socket.
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I do have my doubts on the performance leaks. At best the scores we see are from engineering samples and drivers and can (and likely will) change.
I wonder if Medusa Halo (using a UDNA 1 GPU?) can hit RTX 3080 performance (in raster and RT performance)? That would be nice and enable really good gaming laptops that don't cost so much.
This laptop already hits that level of performance
i mean, at that level, it would basically render the need of a dedicated gpu for gaming laptops useless, unless for real hardcore gamers or workstations.
4070 already faster than a 3080 lol so being faster than a 4070 means it will be faster than a 3080
@@billkillernic 4070 Laptop is more like a 4060 desktop. 3080 desktop is around/above the 4070 desktop. No way this APU beats that.
more like a 4060 ti desktop and we are talking about laptop chips so yea I was talking about laptop versions of said SKUs
Having that said medusa ridge with multiple chiplets given enough power wouldn't surprise me if it can meet or exceed rtx 3080 desktop performance especially taking into account that it is a future gen architecture and current gen, strix halo performs as good as a 4060 ti desktop which by its turn is a little bit slower than a desktop 3070.
That is really a gamechanger for a laptops (and budget desktops). Only 4080 at 19000 and 4090 at 22500 at this point, meaning this will be a killer for all but high-end mobile. Glad to see that someone covers the laptop market. 👍
Would it be as good as NVidia in terms of Cuda and tensor cores for us Machine Learning Engineers?
I would appreciate your reply. You're my favorite Tech-fluencer.
But honestly it is not an apu by now. it is a gpu die placed on the cpu package instead of bedside the cpu package, and with additional memory width.
With a mobile APU it's important to know what wattage its running at to get that performance.
This is what I was hoping for back when the Ryzen 2400G came out. Thumbs up!
this will not change the pricing of the laptops tho
strix point laptops are ridiculously expensive, even handhelds
and here comes strix halo even more expensive
so is this going to be a desktop apu or a laptop mini pc apu ?
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Strix Point APU For Ryzen Desktop G-Series?
If there's one takeaway from Strix Point (/Halo) you need to takeaway, it's that this product is designed to royally bend over its customers.
AMD absolutely can, if they want to, decimate the low to mid tier on both laptop and desktop, but that would mean another Zen2 'aggressive pricing' strategy - and, here, they DO have the product to do that. Unfortunately, they are now in a financial position to bend customers over...and they damn well will.
I think the problem with low end is used gpu is cheaper and faster but yup this will not be cheap
That might work in desktop DIY market but not in laptop market. With laptop market with every design win AMD need to contribute towards the laptop R&D as well. It is not as simple as OEM buying AMD parts to be used in the said laptop. In the past AMD end up rejecting most OEM offer because they feel the amount of R&D spend vs the amount of revenue they might get did not worth the effort. Now to push aggressive price is even more of a question if AMD think the initial effort are not worth it.
What's the price point for Strix Point Halo?
Strix Point isn't in any of those budget laptops, don't expect this "Halo" will be. It will be in "Halo"-priced laptops.
If Strix point Halo APU does what you say, the Radeon 9070 has NO usecase at all.
Imagine what nvidia arm chip could do if strix halo is like that
i love amds APU
i take it with me in the field then when at home i connect my gpu to the nvme slot and have full 4k gaming
and cheaper n ez to return if under warranty
with all that cache you could lowkey run windows xp using the cpu cache as system ram
Surely these chips would benefit from using GDDR6 / 7 wouldn't they? Like maybe on a 256-bit bus? Basically a PS6 Pro in a laptop (but using Zen 5 not Zen 2!)
Of course, without any optimization for it...
quad channel ram could be useful too
Almost rtx 4600 ti with RT turned off. Crazy.
TSMC didn't have the machines available to mass produce Strix Point. So AMD priced it as niche.
Therefore it will stay inside its dark niche forever 😢
@chryoko New Fabs, AMD having more money... should be more Strix Point Halos and more after that if Intel can't pay their bills to TSMC.
@@endintiersmost capacity still being gobbled up by other company that have more money than AMD.
I think Nvidia might counter that with Arm Nvidia APUs, which might benefit from the higher efficiency.
With 2 years of hype I hoped it would have been better. Just another niche product that few enthusiasts will buy.
Would make an excellent sff mini desktop. Would be very interested in buying one.
Yes. But all will depend on price.... otherwise an itx mb + cpu + GPU will be more competitive and Strix halo will be another niche product. 😢
Could strix point halo power the steam box? It'd be a great solution for them
could this be a salvation? how possible actually is to get an iGPU to perform that well withouth many downsides?
you're missing the point. this isn't for competing with discrete gpus. it's for REPLACING them. honestly, if you have this apu, you basically don't need a gpu for anything.
also this is going to easily be the cheapest way to run 70b+ LMs locally on pc with good speed. i'm grabbing myself a machine powered by this just for that. put 128gb of ram and you can run any AI you imagine in it.
Hmmm....I dunno, those Timespy scores seem awfully sus.... There is no data on configurations either... But I plopped my former XFX RX 6700 XT (Qick 319 black edition for the full name) and benched both Timespy and Timespy Extreme at both 1920x1080 and 3440x1440P, and I know the numbers for that GPU are a million billion miles off of what I am seeing... Meh, I'll just wait for the actual reviews (I've never been one for jumping on hype-trains anyways). 🙂
What I do know is that I wish you a very Merry Christmas!!!!!!
In regards to the 2TB laptop, the word you are looking for is 'underwhelming'.
Or if a phrase is preferred then 'less than fully satisfactory'.
We're kidding ourselves if we think this is going to translate to real savings on our end. Even if it does, only those in the US will really benefit. I'm in Canada, and current AMD APU laptops are still way worse value than budget gaming laptops with a 3060 in it. Perhaps in a year or two these options will trickle down to other regions and provide real value.
Priced competitively ie the same as a mid tier apple apu but with less and slower ram, plus apple have even more powerful apu even upto almost 4090.
unfortunately AMD got greedy with strix point and make it too expensive to be appealing, considering the price strix halo is a pretty huge disappointment, and we need to wait for kraken point to know if AMD still want to make good APU
Will there be white cards for the 5080 at launch?
Maybe. Maybe yes, maybe no. That's what I've heard.
I think AMD APU(s) putting pressure on Apple silicon is where things get really interesting. Those are the comparisons I think that matter from both a performance and value comparison.
Ever hear of intel arc b580?
RIP budget gpus? No dude. Baaaad take. There's nothing budget about these APUs.
4070 tier APU is amazing
Been waiting for the day integrated graphics can compete with dedicated for a long time. The only downside really is lack of VRAM on an APU, which is becoming more important not less.
Yeah it's sad that they still haven't made the Apus to be able to let the GPU part access soldered GDDR7 chips exclusively while leaving the DDR5 accessible by all if it needed some more mem to the GPU...
I have the Asus ROG Ally and thought the ~8TF was fake like I saw somewhere in the internet that was half float precision FP16 performance but in fact it's actually full float performance FP32 but severely underperforms on the real world as it's more like 4TF of like RX480 generation and I'm almost sure it can only be due to the lack of proper mem bandwidth.
I wonder how it would perform if it had like at least access to 256GBps mems 😮
@@guily6669having soldered memory like GDDR beat the purpose of building APU in the first place.
@@arenzricodexd4409 I don't think it does, all consoles are like that and handhelds and some laptops already use LPDDR instead which is also soldered to the board.
I'm guessing the purpose of the APU is simply to not have a external soldered GPU instead.
I think it's a bit stupid building a crazy high TF GPU inside the APU to perform at like half it's actual true real performance because of being constrained by having to use the normal DDR5/LPDDR5.
For handheld in particular would have been awesome to have 16GB of fast LPDDR5 + 8GB of fast GDDR7 with clock management in the software to be able to chose clocks for battery VS wall charger and even be able to chose to turn the GDDR7 Off and just use LPDDR5 for the best battery time for older games. Now this would definitely have been epic...
Strix APU concept is the right direction for advanced portable PCs. 🎉🎉 Thank you AMD.
I remember people said alot not nice things about AMD apu many years ago.
That is a really impressive APU.
ladies and gentlemen, his name is Paul!
Imho, 4TB is needed.
well my 2024 g14 is now obsolete.........damn
I am potato quality. I do not appreciate such disparaging remarks.
seeing as these won't be cheap at all these aren't doing anything except ripping themselves
Strix Point Halo laptops will only outcompete laptops with discrete GPUs if they beat them at price/frame. I'm hoping AMD succeeds eventually. I was able to get a new laptop with a Radeon 7700S for $650 this summer, and Strix Point Halo laptops will be priced starting at double that or more.
1tb is the reason you will have to upgrade... if you want to play warzone and fortnite
good riddance Budget Cpus. APUS ftw.
If Strix Halo(RDNA 3.5) = 4070 performance. AMD must be pulling their punches on RDNA4 dGPUs. Will it be =< 4080s. I would say it should be. Then again maybe not.
Just call it Twitter, dude. X the everything app is also what Grimes calls Elon.
woooow a mobile apu with nearly the same power as my gpu this is sick! so the 8060s is really good for 1440p high/ultra gaming (i know its a benchmark no game but this score is sick!) i really hope it comes out on desktop pc damn i tryed to use 2d to 3D rendering then layers sharpen and upscale the box too 50000x50000 but at end a cant read anything so its only 2 things 1: its fake with AI or 2: its no fake but the worst quality i ever seen.
4070 laptop version is nothing special, i upgraded from rtx 3070 to 4070 and gains are so small its huge waste of money .
Seems how good Intel gpus are now, better to stop buying overpriced bs that nvidia tryin to sell.
lol! RTX 5060 WILL BE DOA AT LAUNCH.
GG 2024 😊✌️!
Title says benchmarks. Were are they? Didn't se a single one. Nothing to see here, move on, i just saved you 8 minutes of bullshit commentary
And the battery will drain in less than an hour. Intel already won.
which intel product draws less power ?
do you think buy a R7 7700,then waiting 9800x3d lower their price is a good choice.
Better 7500F from aliexpress
@@aaw9660 thank you!
STRIX POINT HALO = RTX 4070?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
(Notebook)
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Ryzen 4070 gonna be lit.
Until AMD gets more 3rd party developers on board with optimizing their software for AMD GPUs, nVidia GPUs aren't going anywhere, especially in the workstation market.
Right now, only RedShift supports AMD GPUs, and that support is kind of half-assed because there are so few AMD GPUs in workstations. I'm hoping ROCm including support for Strix Halo will help with that.
AMD probably will give most focus for ROCm with UDNA. the reason AMD transition to UDNA was because AMD said it is hard to maintain CDNA and RDNA that is built differently.
Oh.... click bait 4070 laptop equivalent... projected price of $480 for the APU...
No thanks if a B580 can be eventually had for $250, and a $200 CPU is a around a 7600x....
this apu is for laptops
Yea but you can't put that B580 in a laptop
GPU CPU probably be about the same price
I can't wait for the steam box resurgence. These laptops gotta go!! 😅
Too bad laptops are hot garbage and the worst purchase for gamers. You will pay out the teeth for a sluggish system and not be able to upgrade anything in a year or two when it either is so slow its hard to use or it just take a dump.
With 2 years of hype I hoped it would have been better. Just another niche product that few enthusiasts will buy.