TPE Class 802 'Nova 1' - First Class Review (Newcastle to Liverpool)
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- Hello! Firstly, I must apologise for the month long gap in videos. This was to give me a bit of time to record and edit other videos planned previously. I now have plenty of content produced and even more waiting to be finished. This includes an international video, coming from France (and there's more where that came from).
Anyway, this video features a ride on-board one of the new Nova 1 units for TransPennine Express. These trains are largely similar to the GWR IET and LNER Azuma trains, currently plying their way on long-distance services out of London Paddington and London Kings Cross respectively. The fleet for TPE is formed of 19x Class 802/2 in five car sets.
I decided to try one of these out in First Class, from Newcastle to Liverpool Lime St, and see how they compare, and what subtle differences are offered in the TPE variant, to see what the future of TransPennine Express services will hold.
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Origin: Newcastle
Destination: Liverpool Lime Street
Company: TransPennine Express
Train: UK Class 802 ‘Nova 1’
Accommodation: First Class Seat (1st)
Distance: 179 miles / 288 kilometres
Time: 2h58m
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A lot of effort put into this video. Informative and well put together - nice work 👍
Thanks, plenty more to come (when I can remember haha).
I tend to see a lot of people grabbing the seats with no windows so they can sleep on Virgin's 390's, i guess they are useful to some people. Personally i love a good window and ive heard that the 397's (Nova 2) seating layout makes sure that all windows are lined up with seats, which is a big plus if true.
This is true, occasionally people do choose them over a different seat.
They are good for people working on laptops too. Though I would personally hate to be stuck with no view out at all.
Perhaps they should look into yellow LEDs for the interior. Still provide lots of light, but much much easier on the eyes.
I hear that LNER have agreed to change the lighting because it's so awful. Good to know!
@@SuperalbsTravels That is good news. Happy to hear they listen sometimes.
@@SuperalbsTravels Yay!
It's not happened so far...
A very good account both in terms of the train and the journey.
Thanks, I am glad you liked the video. :)
Best thing about these new trains is when the doors open so you can get off. I haven’t done one of these nova things, but the GW ones are pretty much the same.
That's about right lol.
Superalbs Travels the HST first class experience is much better from the looks of things. I’ve not traveled on these new trains but I’ve been on numerous HSTs and they are lovely
1st class seems so Spartan,with narrow and hard seats..what ever happened to comfort and space ?I would desire more for my 1st class ticket fare.
A little ambience would be a fine thing wouldn't it...
So true! And then there is this even a windowless seat near the door. Incredible! Luckily the first class is never bookes out so if you happen to get that seat you can always change.
It’s possibly because these trains are virtually similar to the ones in Japan (videos on TH-cam) I wouldn’t be surprised if one of these carriages could be put in one of the Japan trains and people not seeing much of a difference.
First class is usually better - worse now trains are corridor free for current regs. It’s not really of benefit paying first class on some trains. In fact on Thameslink, some trains have had first class removed for more standard seating. - I don’t know about these but I have had good reports on first class and the trains over there.
The Japanese trains are actually more spacious, and cleaner. And I have never been on a Japanese train with a windowless seat despite taking countless cross-country trips there.
Interesting to see what they are like, compared to when I did one of the loco hauled trains from Lea Green into Manchester recently. I thought all the seats were the same across the fleets, but it seems they aren't! I wonder if they are waiting until all the new trains are in and then change the catering offer in First Class. I went to Glasgow a few years back with TPE and it was quite different then; much bigger offering, much more frequent drinks service, etc. One thing I have always found with TPE; the staff are brilliant.
The seats are of the same woeful design, but the seat covering is slightly different, as far as I understand. Also, on the CAF trains, they look more stylish, but are they any better? Remains to be seen!
Impressive editing, I wish I was so good!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed! 😁
Nice. Were the armrests padded or like a grippy rubber deal. Beaut sunrise btw
They were a thin layer of rubber, quite hard, but better than plastic/metal. ;)
Brilliant review! I travelled between Newcastle and Leeds on one of these units in February and everything you say about First Class is spot on. The seats could be more comfortable in my opinion.
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it! They certainly could be better...
Plenty more videos to come. :)
Just came accross your channel. Nice review very detailed and enjoyable!
Thanks, glad you like it. There's more content coming soon from across the world! First trip to Asia is soon too...
My wife and I are travelling to Manchester from Newcastle at the end of October.
We have not yet booked the outward journey, as no cheap tickets are available yet .. maybe as it will be on a Sunday. Funnily enough though, we booked our return journey, for the following Thursday several weeks ago.
Hopefully , when cheaper tickets are released, they will be about £29 (standard) and £54 (first) for the two of us, with a railcard.
We have never travelled first class before, so I was thinking about it this time, but after seeing your review, maybe it’s just not worth the extra. For some reason (obviously wrongly) I assumed first class passengers were ‘wined and dined’
Bright lighting - they had the same problem on the last refurb of First/GWR HST sets some years ago, was not long before they disconnected half the tubes and the lighting became acceptable, they never seem to learn
This is true. There surely can't be any winners from bright lighting!
Nice review there. Certainly won't be rushing to ride them myself.
Thanks. It wasn't amazing, but the lemon muffin is to die for!
I don't like lemons :(
Very nice trip report again the interior does look more professional and hopefully the stunning TPE livery has been applied to it now
I think so, most are in the new colours now.
@@SuperalbsTravels that's good
I seen one of these in Liverpool and they're impressive... should've had these 10yrs back.
The kitchen seems rather better-equipped than needed for the meagre snack you were served. I trust you had a decent breakfast at some point in the morning! They ought to be able to offer coffee and croissant or something similar with the kit they have there.
I've seen these coming through Leeds for a few weeks now. Thought it was another Azuma until I noticed the lack of yellow ends. I do think the blue interior is a bit nicer than the rather garish red in the LNER (standard) coaches. On the one hand I welcome their arrival because extra capacity on Transpennine is badly needed and has been for quite a while! On the other had it is very disappointing to see more of the same dreadful seats that have attracted such heavy criticism on the GWR and LNER sets. I find them to be totally unacceptable for a long distance train. The DFT / Hitachi really ought to listen to what customers are saying and act on it! Because its not like decently shaped and padded seats need cost any more but they are absolutely fundamental to the comfort of all passengers. Until this silly flaw is address all the IET sets are not fit for purpose IMO.
Nah lner is better
I personally don't mind the seats. According to the DfT nothing else meets crashworthiness standards so any new train that travels at 125mph or more will require these seats
I agree with you completely. The old 125 and 225s were much more comfortable, the seats were large, welcoming and capacious, and the food was fine. I'd love to see the companies use some money to provide welcoming, comfortable and spacious seating, rather than the damned ironing boards we have at the moment.
Good for you.
chris wilkes Companies can’t control the seats they put on trains operating over 125mph. No amount of money will change the fact that any alternative design does not meet the DfT’s crashworthiness standards
@@agent_605 Not sure I understand this. The TGV goes much faster than 125 and has great trains. And the old 125 and 225 did 125 miles an hour and had much more comfortable seats.
the azumas do have a bumpy ride at full speed, i noticed.
Very much so!
I mean, Hitachi is known for vibrating products
I'd leave the text on a little longer and use slightly smaller type so as not to cover the image. These are beautiful new trains, but as with GWR and LNER, the seats are awful, and as you and others have said, they are very unwelcoming and uncomfortable. What a waste of an opportunity not to have a beautiful interior to match the exterior. The old seats were much more comfortable and welcoming. CHANGE THE SEATS!
Colour scheme for the seats is nice. But how is it that all the new trains have so many systems that don't work. Surely they have been tested up and down. You are right about curtains. They would much nicer than the blinds! Four minutes late! Come on, first train of the day, and they're late. Poor catering. Decor is really industrial, like a factory, everything designed for efficiency, and nothing for comfort. The ugly, garish lights top it off.
Beautiful shots of the early morning.
A lemon muffin? That's it? How about a full English? No hot food. A missed opportunity for the franchise holder.
You were very kind about the train. Really disappointing after all the money spent on the new train. Let's hope they will improve rapidly and listen to customers like you.
Thanks for your comment, I agree that there is certainly work to be done!
Great video. ☺️
Thanks! 😊
@@SuperalbsTravels Ur welcome. ☺️
I'm a regular between York and Leeds and been on these a few times , the extra capacity is nice but on the whole they have a poorly designed interior. This include small and insufficient luggage spaces , hard seats , plug sockets between the seats in standard ,and a faulty intercom that gives static and feedback. To finish off this mess they went to single doors instead of doubles as these are primarily a commuter service why make it harder to get on and off especially for people with bikes or using wheelchairs?
To sum up nice exterior and then they went and ruined it with the cheap options for interior.
They aren't primarily a commuter service, they should be an intercity service. Most of the services these units run are in excess of 3 hours, longer than many LNER and Avanti services, who are definitely not commuter operators. The faulty intercom has been fixed now on most units. Plug sockets in between seats means the person in the aisle seat can use the plug without the wire trailing over the person in the window seat
the advantage of the yellow fronted trains is where there are unmanned level crossings such as ones that appear on country lanes or where a footpath goes across the line is that people crossing these lines can actually see the yellow fronts of the trains especially in poor visibility or weather conditions, and I think dark fronted trains are going to be more of a danger to people who have to cross these lines as they are not going to see these dark fronted trains as well as the yellow ones in the weather conditions ive mentioned, plus in bright sunlight might make them hard to spot and judge how long before that train reaches you, at least with the yellow frontage trains such timings can be judged as to whether you'll get across or not
I find it not to make any difference. I am always perfectly safe in countries where trains do not have yellow fronts.
Because the LED Headlights on these are so bright you’ll see the lights way before you see a yellow front... ESPECIALLY in low visibility...
The headlights on these units are almost blindingly bright! There is no way anybody could fail to see them coming even on very sunny days they still stand out. The yellow panel dates back to 1961 when most trains only had a pair of 40w bulbs behind their route indicator blinds so although it is something we are all long accustomed to it has been somewhat unnecessary for a while now.
@@soundseeker63 I much prefer the yellow fronts to the blinding LED lights. These lights can get no brighter and cannot start to flash like strobe lights as this will affect people who have epilepsy and/or are photosensitive to very powerful lighting.
I do not like the 2-1 configuration seats in 1st class, so first class seems to have been made smaller, and I suppose thats because not many first class tickets get sold so they've reduced the seats, and if this is the case then watch all of a sudden first class sales will rocket then the train operators stuffed, huh first class passengers get some padding in their seats for comfort while second class passengers after long journeys are going to have very sore painful backsides and backs because there is no seat padding at least with the Pendolino trains although they need upgrading , the second class passengers get padded seats, and I hope when these train seats are upgraded they dont put the hard seats in that this train as, otherwise theres going to be a lot of medical complaints and people will get backed up by Orphopedic consultants and physiotherapists saying the train seats on new trains are causing more problems to people, plus these hard seats are going to make people who already have a back problem even worse
Hi, the 2+1 seating configuration is the same as on the previous trains!
But yes, the Standard Class seat is awful, really disappointing.
I just rode on one of these yesterday between leeds and york I was quite interested to see if it was bad as people say and it was actually pretty comfortable it's a shame however that these and the 185 desiro dont have the same seats as these are intercity an those are regional trains and the 185s seats look amazing. I found that the interior wasn't too bright I was travelling in the day not night so maybe it's just unbearable at night. I didnt bring luggage so I didnt get to see if the overhead racks were any good and with a short but very busy journey between york and leeds I didnt look at the toilet facilities
What flask did you take on your journey? Hope you brought a waterproof too.
Great video !!
Thank you! ✌️
If I had paid for a First Class seat, I would not want a bulkhead alongside me for the whole journey: who planned that? Mind you, what a difference when compared with the tired old rolling-stock of CrossCountry trains. Time for the latter to up-grade I think! I also tend to find these modern air-conditioned coaches a bit on the cool side. I wish they'd heat them to, say, 22 degrees. By the way, Huddersfield Station is one of the glories of England; a large Palladian classical building with two wings. Worth enjoying a pint and meal at THE HEAD OF STEAM, before boarding.
There are certainly a lot of problems with this design, so which would you prefer?
@@SuperalbsTravels It's purely 'academic'; because we will not be using train for long-haul travel within the UK in future. For short-distance, I like the new range of trains.
I'd say that's a pretty fair statement.
Not bad trains but I think it will be hard to beat the Mk3's for comfort :).
I really hope the comfort is revised in a later refurbishment!
Do they usually run on OHLE from Victoria to the Lime street / airport?
I think normally they do, but for me we were on diesel throughout.
@@SuperalbsTravels Depends if the driver has done enough driving using the bi mode or there has not been enough mileage accumilation under electric
Took One in march and was on electric from airport to Victoria
They look amazing even in the white livery I still like them 😂😂😂 also once again! Very good video!
Another great video Superalbs, and particulatly great to see you starting off in my home town of Nyyuuuucastle! Yes the more I see of the 800/1/2s the less impressed I am with them. This train certainly isn't focussed on a good 1st class experience. It's all just more like Standard Plus. The seats look like cheap cloth seats from a 1985 Ford Escort 1.3L.
I believe these seats are temporary seats and i believe they will tweak not just the seats but the interior at December 2019 when they make their official debut and when they will be re-liveried. I also believe that the new seats will be a bit more comfortable.
I doubt that sadly. :(
March 2020 calling to tell you that they haven't even be re-liveried yet.
@@SuperalbsTravels Oh well, seems like my predictions were wrong. At least it's okay.
Great video friend, but for us wrinkles you take your comments away to quick.Kind Regards
Thanks for your feedback!
This is something I have also noticed, and have worked to fix on future videos.
Awsome trip report :)
Thanks glad you liked it, more to come!
1:02 TFL Rail 345 trains are the first to feature non yellow front cabs I think
No, it's a very nice channel. Well done.
Thank you! :)
They need to work on there first claSs food offering still looks poor
Whilst it might be reduced compared to the East Coast routes, I find it is often cheaper.
Apparently they are going to offer more .
2:44 those same blinds are available in standard class
Nice video and it’s put me off going anywhere near them!!
Don't blame you!
The most terrible first class I’ve ever seen its way to bright and plain its like a operating theatre... dreadful
Yeah, it's just too bright!
Where was standard class shown ?
Hi there, there's a quick look at the Standard Class at about 05:10.
Thanks for the informative video. The lemon muffin looks yum. How difficult do you think a daily Monday-Friday commute in first class would be between Leeds and Manchester? (Wife will need to make the daily commute next year and thinking of getting her a first class seasonal ticket).
If you have the money for it, then first class entitles you to a seat and the refreshments on offer (snacks + hot drinks). Makes the going easier.
As others have said, the lighting looks harsh, and the seats look very uncomfortable. Why are they doing this? You need comfort for longer journeys but they don't look comfy here. I don't see how these trains will encourage people to travel by rail.
Well simply, they won't. It's a shame, because almost everywhere else in the continent totally gets this...
Quite like the Class 802 Nova 1. Same with the Class 397 Nova 2 and Class 68+Mk5A Nova 3. Transpennine Express should keep them for a long time. As well keeping the Class 185 Desiro DMUs.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_68 and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Mark_5A
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_185
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_397
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_802
Ryanair cutting flight from Newcastle to canaries and other sunny place in January 2020 guess what’s happened with the cheap trains too Manchester airport...
Barry Tipton Ryanair is the worst company in my opinion staff are treated with no respect and they keep cancelling routes
Is not my point calling the rail company for jacking up the fare when Ryanair cut a route.... must admit you have a very good point.... but for Ryanair and easyJet and Freddie On the 70s airfares would be very high still ... all I want out of a flight is legroom and oxygen... you can keep the free drinks and meals rubbish anyway... by they way Trans-Pennine express seem to have dropped their fares in the New Year well later in the New Year
That tpe train 802 inside of it is cool
Not very comfortable though. :(
I will make an educated guess, these trains will go the way of the Voyager, pain in the arse to travel on, I was on one recently and it was mobbed, truly horrific, couldn't wait to get off, new train, same old problems.
Very good movie - nearly empty station cos too early yes, you're right but now nearly all stations are empty apart from peak times cos of coronavirus. Only key workers allowed into the train. Other times nearly all trains almost empty.
I hope while the lockdown are easing more people will be allowed to travel on trains.
I went to Liverpool to attend a deaf event in June 2017 from Southampton Airport near where I live in via Birmingham New Street. Liverpool Lime Street is a beautiful looking station and I noticed two statues of comedian Ken Dodd and his Labour MP friend near the exit. Rest in peace Ken Dodd.
I slept in hotel by the station for two night before I returned home south to Southampton Airport.
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Lemon muffins, with black coffee!
:)
Hey are you in London or America
Neither! :)
Super vid 👍
Thanks, glad you enjoyed. What do you think of these trains?
Superalbs Travels great TBH very vibrant livery and interior
very good
Thanks glad you enjoyed.
The First Class seats look very very ordinary and are equivalent to standard economy aircraft chairs very poor
Brand-new Class 397 - the Nova 2 review:
WATCH: th-cam.com/video/K1qoWXzvZN8/w-d-xo.html
fixed
I think curtains aren't usef anymore as they are probably a fire risk.
I see, maybe.
@@SuperalbsTravels I think curtains easily become tatty with use, too, as people pull them off the rails or break the gliders rather too easily. Which is a pity because they are nicer.
Does anyone know why the train is running on diesel on electrified lines?
There's not enough power in the lines for the train to be electric.
I think it's a specific unit issue, since this video was filmed I've been on it under electric. The issue with power delivery is north of Newcastle
Do these trains go though Huddersfield
Indeed they do! My journey on this one was through Huddersfield, but here's a photo I took another time:
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"A sizeable upgrade" - except where they used to run two 185s together for 6 cars, and have replaced them with a single 5-car...
True, 2x185 capacity is 342, exactly equal to the 802s.
when are these trains coming into service?
They are already in service, my video was made on a service train. ;)
Meant be in service but not fully yet
The Seat Itself Is... Dissapointed In You Peter!
all the 802 is ,that it has a better diesel to cope with hilly terrains better,thats all the difference really.....I prefer the Yellow noses...its been something we are used to in UK,tradition...we are going the same way as the continent,just because we have their locos...they look good in GWR green the 800`s.....soon we have them running on the overhaeds here in S wales,as most of the catenarys and wires are up..
European railways are the best in the world though! We should copy them as much as we can! :)
What a surprise, another Hitatchi unit.
It seems they are everywhere.
I think somebody in government is receiving big fat envelopes full of cash.
Hitachi has been able to crank them out like sausages. The base design being so similar across the four companies presently using them (GWR/TPE/LNER/HT) has allowed them to produce them faster. Plus three factories, compared to say, CAF or Bombardier.
No, it's just Hitachi are able to provide a good quality product that meets customer's needs. They're able to produce them quickly to an already proven design (which is why Hull Trains got their first unit in service within about 6 weeks of delivery, compared with over a year for TPE's Mk5A sets). It also helps that with a design common with others it means that if the trains are replaced on one franchise, it's highly likely another franchise could take them on as a capacity enhancement
And, there are more to come.
Avanti are ordering 5-car bi-mode units for the London Holyhead route, and 7-car electric units for the Euston - Liverpool services which will increase to a half hourly frequency.
@@neilcrawford8303 LNER Leeds to London King's Cross will soon be exclusively Azumas. They've already got rid of their HSTs and the MK4 Intercity is next to go.
@@wobble3859
Hi.
They aren't a bad train. It's the customer spec that lets them down. I have been on a GWR one where the air-con failed. Not a good experience.
Knock Knock, who's there? Bad seat design. Lol.
Bonjour from France, can you do a trip report about avanti class 390, Nova 3 and a TER regio2N (France) 😊
Hi, great luck for you! Regio 2N has already been filmed, and I hope to release the video some time next year. :)
The other two? Well, I have actually tried to do both of them already, but failed at both. Firstly, the 390 was to be done in VT days, but I ran out of storage space, so that did not happen. The Nova 3 that I had booked on was replaced by a Class 185.
Will get round to both at some point. :)
Lille-Flandres to Amiens for the Regio 2N
My Christmas present to you, the Regio 2N video is now scheduled for January 29th, my earliest slot. :)
@@SuperalbsTravels Oh thanks, I live in Lille
I dont like where the door open/close button as been placed to me thats far to low and you could quite easily catch the person sitting there, also any kids travelling on these trains will find that very tempting to play with as we all know kids are very attracted to bright lights and anything they can push especially young ones as they know no better and some parents allow their kids to run up and down trains to stop boredom setting in on long journeys, and kids go wondering and parents not paying attention could soon lose track of their kids and with crime against kids on the increase the train builders or designers have not taken child safety into account, I can see these buttons forever being repaired and getting very sticky from young kids fingers, these buttons should have been put up out of the kids reach
Maybe!
They don’t give a complementary hot drink in first class? That is poor!
I prefer single solo seats , no risk of awkward someone sitting opposite you
Sadly on this train they all face the same way, so you have to choose between a single seat, or facing forward. Strange design.
The most average first class I've seen
At least you ain't on a overcrowded 185 and I'm never travelling with TPE in a million years 😂🤣
185 would be better!
The last time I went on the Nova 1 standard class and the seat's we're okay. The light's we're okay, maybe a bit bright, but okay for looking outside. Overall, I don't mind the design flaws. I'm going on it again soon in first class so I expect it to be better than standard class.
Hope you enjoy.
As for the seat stains, appears some women can't keep their lipstick in a purse... Riding on a train is NOT the proper time to dig out your lipstick...
It’s just an Azuma that TP are using. Seating is hideously uncomfortable! Even first class isn’t great! How many times do TOCs need to be told passengers don’t like crap seating?!
There's a few differences between an Azuma and a Nova. And in fairness, GWR IEPs came first.
My understanding is that the seat specs were specified by the government.
Olan Kenny You mean the DfT? It’s about time they kept their noses out of what is not their business! There’s more and more trains now with hideously uncomfortable seating and eventually passengers will get pissed off so much they won’t go by train. Is this is a long way round to Beeching two?
像！真像！外觀塗裝跟台铁EMU3000神似
Take the seats from a mk2 coach and put them in these job sorted.
Some of the Mk2 seats are quite decent. :D
I like my centre armrests, thanks.
The standard class seats look like bus seats
Doesn't matter how nice or comfortable they make the trains if they can't get you from A to B on time ! Not to mention the constant cancellation of trains because they don't have enough drivers! Sick to death of transpennine express! Will be glad to see the back of them some day soon I hope! The new time table which starts on the -15Th Dec ! From darlington to northallerton is beyond a joke ! Train at 19.17 then not an other one until 21.53. There is no other trains or buses running that way! No thought put into people who need to comute to and from work! Or kids who might be running late at darlington college that will need to get home! Or people who might be visiting relatives at the hospital who don't drive! What a useless company!
The point of these trains is to get from A to B on time. The only reason there's a lack of drivers is due to them being trained on the new trains. Getting rid of the current franchisee won't change anything, it might even make things worse. Timetables are generally dictated by the DfT and Network Rail, and it's worth noting that you can still get to Northallerton by changing at Thornaby
I bet the wheelchair users have a better time in First Class than the other people using the normal seats.
Wheelchair users might well be in their wheelchair too. 😉
Speed..???
Top-speed achieved is 125mph on either diesel or electric. Most of the route is limited to less than that, but between Newcastle and York you can definitely go the top speed!
Bring back mk2 loco hauled stock, far more comfortable.
Most examples of that are now sadly long gone.
You complain about the train, I complain about your choice of loud annoying music.
HUDDERSFIELD =2CATS,BOLT AND FELIX & 2 PUBS,ALL RESIDENT ON RAILWAY STATION !!!.
Only one o in Middlesbrough
Oops, did I put multiple? :/
Same lighting in 385s too bright and clinical
I agree, you need sunglasses!
Absolutely crap
Eloquently put!
Bring back Virgin but without the £6.00 tinned burgers
I don't think Virgin have ever operated on TPE routes. ;)