THE DIRECT PATH | Rupert Spira & Mooji Baba share their wisdom for enlightenment
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"Enlightenment is not an experience. It is not something that happens to you. It is not something to be found. It is simply the recognition of your being. Of the nature of your being". Simply beautiful.
Is this "...recognition..." not an experience?
@@aboveandbeyond9844 ..and therefore also can be seen?^^....and therefore it is not me^^ u got the point. I am not in the enlightenment region but I consider myself at least awakened....and that 'awakening' was not a recognition or an experience....it simply IS...have no words to explain it better...
@@TheHoriyoshi... Thanks for responding, I appreciate you doing so.
You say that "...and that 'awakening' was not a recognition or an experience....it simply IS...".
Thing... Well... Is... For anyone to have realization of "...it simply IS..." requires "...a recognition or an experience..." (and to be clear, "...recognition..." and "...experience..." are one and the same).
This is the reality of being... Which is required for there to, well, be an "...I...".
If there is not being there is no "...I...".
And once there is a being... And therefore and "...I..."... There is "...experience...".
Simply put...
Being/existence... "...I..."... And experience... Are all the same thing.
To be awakened (have an "...awakening...") is only possible to that which has being... And the very definition of the word "...awakening..." implies a being, an "...I...", and an experience.
There's no way around it.
Perhaps you have no words to explain it better because your "...I..." simply wants it to seem that way in order for your "...I..." to satiate some ego need.
A phrase often used in the normal human world of communicating is "...I'm above that..."... And often, in order to try and differentiate ourselves from others in our own minds, we choose to ignore the obvious (fool ourselves).
Suffice to say, there can be no "...being...", no "...I...", and no "...experience..."... Without a source by, in, through, and for which "...being...", "...I...", and "...experience..." are made possible.
Thank you 😊💜🌟
You are light.
The clarity descends as we understand that awareness/consciousness is not 'me' - rather that 'me' is a something in awareness/consciousness. If the awareness is perturbed by what it is aware of then it is a 'me'. Only 'me's are perturbed. 10 years ago I would say to anyone who cared to listen that 'I am awareness/consciousness ' - it was something I had read in a book or heard a teacher say to me. It is the realisation that 'me' is something in awareness that changed everything. Awareness/consciousness is not perturbed by feelings- only a 'me' is. Addiction to the spiritual path is a result of the 'me' being perturbed by feelings and sensations and wanting them to not be - 'me' wants to be distracted from them. The 'me' wants to be free of feelings which 'me' says are unpleasant. It is the 'me' that says 'when I am enlightened I will be free' Awareness is not perturbed by the presence of 'me' - it doesn't mind anything it is aware of.
Very well put, thank you 🙏
The trouble with the "me" is it desires the pleasant but finds the unpleasant undesirable. They are two sides of the same coin, and so it cannot have one without the other. It only thinks it doesn't want to suffer, but it absolutely loves its suffering and drama. Consciousness' illusory separate self is an unconscious split mental activity and a learned mental conditioning. The "me" doesn't want to admit that it loves its suffering as well but feels guilty so it projects itSelf as a negative entity it calls the "ego." Eckhart Tolle calls this the "pain-body," the negative entity of the body-mind persona that arises only after Consciousness arises from dreamless deep sleep, or Pure Awareness. It is Consciousness in its game of self-ignorance (externalization/superimposition) identifying with its own projection of a "finite mind" which is merely content in Consciousness. Consciousness itself is an illusion in the subtle form of a transient Awareness, a modulation of intransient Pure Awareness. Awareness doesn't mind because ultimately it is without mind and Consciousness. Its illusory nature is relative. Its true nature is Absolute.
Perfectly well put! =)
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Wow. Well said. It vibrates as right although I don’t (necessarily) understand.
@@youarewhatyourelookingfor4496 Well it is word soup after all. 😆 It’s much better that it’s not easy to talk about, the words don’t really do it justice. You must go within, and self-inquiry is the direct path to going within and going beyond the mind, and experience it directly. That’s what I mean by “better” as you experience it directly and the mind cannot get in the way or cover it up with thoughts and a conceptual narrative.
Your name holds all the truth, by the way!
Once you recognize your true self you will recognize your power as well. The whole nervous system will flip, body will go through changes you will experience everything the body goes through, the experience will be entirely your own.❤️
I know where she’s standing and I do understand what Rupert is saying clearly, but in my own opinion I understand that even for beings like him is not easy to explain in words what it’s inexplicable.
He ( as a being ) has to visit the mind to translate and find the closest words to explain in a way we can understand, but still we get confused bcoz it’s indeed for everyone of us an individual experience so we can truly feel it as it was for him, buddha, mooji, Osho, sadhguru etc, you name it. The stories have been told by them!
Whatever it was, wasn’t that an experience?
We can agree or disagree about this but for everyone of them ( these called enlightened beings , another created word ) they all have described their transitions from their personhood to presence =awakening as a kind of experience, a feeling, a sensation after many years of meditating or seeking in this spiritual path. Some of them have described it like hearing a sound, feeling a vibe, something else, etc.
All the definitions, these comments ( including mine ) are coming from our intellect = ego and not from our own experience = intelligence ( for most of us) we are talking from our personality.
You can say ok let’s go today sit down and recognize this space inside my body that has always being there and from where everything lives and I react.
That’s beautiful and we are searching for it, but is it honestly in our 365 days year experience or it was just for a moment? Why it doesn’t stay?
We are all feeling good today and tomorrow we get angry to our neighbor bcoz he/she scratched our car, or we can’t deal with that guy’s ‘opinion who is from a different culture and has an accent.
Or you’re angry w/ your boss bcoz he fired you. Don’t we stay in that pain of thoughts blaming everyone, and in that memory for 24h a week or longer?
So where this momentary “recognition” went?
The day our true experience happens we can say now our recognition is here ( hopefully in this lifetime )
In fact they said we won’t find the words or it will be very difficult to describe it.Otherwise, we are just quoting and saying what we have heard, and read from books, videos gurus, etc.
I do know most of us can recognize, observe and see the differences between our personality acting in this society and that beautiful presence, silence, and space from which we see everything as ourselves.
We can say I’m neither this body nor the mind and we can observe the observer etc, but all these definitions from where we are trying to find an answer are still coming from our understanding = intellect and not from our true universal intelligence from which all creatures are part of it.
The true experience that stays forever in us and we should respond always from.
Hence the highs and lows and this duality in our life.
This is why he’s sitting in front of us I’m not viceversa. 🙏🏼☺️
The recognition of my being it’s not something I can find by the intellect.
Lastly
The only thing I recognize in this rehearsal of life is that I know NOTHING and that all my words and understandings are coming from my ego and ignorance.
I’m just like a parrot repeating what I have learned.
However, I do recognize and I’m grateful for the beauty of talking about a subject that can help all of us to grow up more in this lifetime. 🙏🏼
Id like to say let’s seat down and meditate more to see if one day we can talk from our true experience like he does!
These kind of videos help a lot but are also a distraction for our individual and unique path!!
Blessings
Love & peace to all
Nice. Agreed
Spiritual Enlightenment is when you realize you are not the body and mind you are Eternal Spirit ....and always have been. That's Enlightenment !😮
Indeed!
Thsts not true though. Thsts the beginning of the journey
1 word. Gratitude. If you have food and water and shelter everyday and dont have to stress about survival, congratulations you can be happy.
That's still external conditions determining an "act or practice of graitiude" SO THAT I can be happy.
This is again a great video! Rupert's conversation was really powerful. Finally the lady needs to understand that even the urge to find something more, the feeling that something is missing is her live is also the mind. She needs to understand that the feeling is not reliable and she is not feeling it from the position of herself.
I could imagine that it is sometimes difficult to switch from the person to the true self. We are not used to remain in the self.
Agreed. It's like asking for the meaning of life: it's a BS question.
Enlightenment is the absence of "you".
Remove thoughts, remove your body, remove every experience, past present future, remove your name, remove your job, remove everything, what do you find - enlightenment! Peel every layer. You are enlightened already. Mind is a monkey mind, don't attach yourself to it, you are separate , you are pure awareness. It's a constant practice for me, constant reminder
Wow, that's a lot to do and not do... I think I'll pass...
How about removing your "...I..."?
@@aboveandbeyond9844 Nah, I'm with Alan Watts there: "The biggest ego trip is getting rid of your ego," Besides, I think an "I" trying to get rid of itself is like trying to pull yourself out of a swamp by your own hair... doesn't work.
@@methei... For lack of a better word (pronoun), I agree with you.
I'm just trying to get some understanding of why there are people who choose to think that they can get rid of their "...I...", or come to a kind of realization of their "...I..." as the center and source of their being.
To me, this is all convoluted mumbo jumbo speaking that constantly contradicts itself. I pointed this out in a very thoughtful comment that was quickly deleted from this page.
One point I made was that you can't have a realization apart from experience, which means that Spira's speaking regarding this was foolish.
And I've asked some questions for clarification but have not received any straight answer.
I don't know who Alan Watts is, but for sure trying to get rid of your ego is an ego trip... Of that Judeo/Christ scripture is clear, and I try to hold to what this scripture tells us.
And yet... Human history has exposed man as having no way of saving itself... So then what?
Who the me, you are talking about
I’m feeling everything she is saying
So now you understood what Rupert said ?
All kind of Ji's. She's so funny & lovely 😂❤️
yes! one must feel it. feel it. feel the vibration.
The Matrix is your own bio computer brain machine that keeps You in the illusion of being a physical Being in a physical world via the nervous system and the five senses.
The website is at
Guardiantext,org😁❤
Been feeling like this since 2012. It’s like an alcoholic. I can’t stop the seeking. 🙏🇨🇦❤️🌈🌎🌺🦋🏄♀️
I like Rupertji, & Mooji!!. To the first questioner. Do not TRY too hard. ‘It’ is very subtle, it is not known (or perceived) by the mind (as in a thought). But is felt by the ‘heart’. ‘It’ is a feeling, like an inner smile or ‘love.’ It is also what remains when ‘you’ are just being (only the feeling of ‘I am’ (period), and not doing anything else (including thinking anything!). It has been described as, “the space between the thoughts.” If you are relaxed, and breathing slowly, sometimes there is a glimpse of this feeling right where your exhalation ends, and before your inhalation begins..Notice this point, perhaps pause a moment and feel.. Namaste 🙏
What you might ‘feel’ there could actually be the lack of oxygen reaching the brain.
Nice 💚
I appreciate Mooji but Rupert has greater clarity it seems to me. They both speak of the same 'thing' but I sometimes find Mooji a little fuzzy. I'm wondering why you put them both in the same video especially as the questions are quite different. My initial impression was that they would be on the stage together.
Greetings beloved. Rupert speaks about the gurus and spiritual paraphernalia as obstacles, and I feel many westerners can be more open to the way he points and benefit from ending the cycle of learning new mantras, new excercises, new yoga postures, going to new pilgrimages... Because that's exactly how the ego survives as a practitioner. Yet, Mooji embodies the form of a guru and here he even is explaining a passage of biblical scripture.
For those who listen, they are both instruments playing the same song. Don't be so caught up in the form, for the true guru is inside of you, the true master, the true you. Don't mistake the finger for the Moon.
Blessings.
@@opensourcespirituality5214 I agree but your intention did not come across so clearly. And I'm not sure that Rupert would agree with your put down of Mooji as he is always very careful not to criticize.
@@claudelebel49 total mindbusiness here, Person(ego) speaking.....as I am with Mooji...I ignore the mind most of the day
I appreciate your insight that Rupert speaks more crisply, meaning that he provides far more definitions and details that are appreciated by the intellect. But Mooji (perhaps not so much in this clip, but certainly elsewhere) speaks more to the heart, which has its own language. The wonderful thing is that the more you listen to them the more you realize their underlying messages are identical, in spite of this difference in language.
Failure to stay in contact with yourself is a self failure. Can’t blame another person for leaving yourself. It’s all you. Here’s where the beauty comes in. Once one stays in the self, theyre able to listen to what the other person is saying in understanding. 💗
Great!! According to Rupert enlightment is the end of any kind of expectation and the acceptance of the present moment as it is. We hear that 1000 times but never make the klick
Enlightenment is the end of identifying yourself as a person, a personality, a separate self. It is the the realization that the you that you THINK you are isn't Real, and has been self-constructed, manufactured by your own mind, and all of conditioning and programming you've experienced. Does this seem clear?
The acceptance of the present and the end of any kind of expectation and desire leads to the "brainwashing" and retardation of the human mind back to a stone or a vegetable after the mind has evolved during billions of years to achieve the current performance of the human mind to want, to imagine, to create and to materialize the desired thing. There are "spiritualized" civilizations that after thousands of years of "spiritualized" oriental teachings still live in the greatest chaos, misery, poverty, stupidity and ignorance in spiritual, mental and material plane.
You can't "do" it, it happens by itself. What they are saying is not a recipe, but more a description.
@@carriegracefexa2598 thank you for that response. It may be the clearest I've ever seen.
But I want to ask you a question.
What happens after death?
Please tell me what you and Rupert and Mooji would answer.
Maybe you have a link where this is discussed?
Thank you again!
Because we look to the mind for an explanation of the truth.
"No one comes to the Father except through me", "I AM the way, the TRUTH, and the Life". No one comes to the father except through a revelation of truth. Jesus was a perfect representation of how man really (truthfully) looks, One with God (John 10:30) and One with all men. This is Love, no barriers, no borders, no me and you, us and them. "Love your neighbour as yourself" because he/she is yourself. This is what repentance really means (metanoia in Greek) a change of mind, changing it from a belief that we are separate from God to one where we are in God and thus each other. "He who loses himself (worldly ego) will find himself, the pure world/object-less eternal being, the "I am". "The truth will set you free" (John 8:32). Love you guys.
well, Jesus did CLEARLY go the advaita way....the bible says: no one comes to the father exept through me....so many misunderstand that....and the Catholic church is on top of that and tells you: u have to be catholic otherweise...no cigar. So posessive, like most religions...we are the only hope....yeh of course...xd. While I interpret it as: be as I am ....(through me)...walk my path (of truth)....
This isn’t right.
We have to love others precisely because they are not ourselves. God himself is three persons in order to have a subject and an object of love and action.
Repentance is obviously a turn away from sin. Not whatever you want to make it out to be.
@@bpeper1365 and yet Jesus says he is one with God (John 10:30) and calls us to be one with him (John 17:21) "that all of them will be one". Jesus didn't invent a new truth, he embodies the truth, he calls us back to it. As we gaze upon Jesus (the truth) we are transformed into the very image of Christ (2 Corinthians 3:18). Sin is an outworking of wrong thinking and darkened minds (Romans 1:21). "In our minds we were separated from God by our wicked works" (Col 1:21). It took a perfect man (a man of pure truth) to come into the darkness of life and declare the truth. It is this truth that is the light that shines in the darkness, it is this truth that illumines our lives so that we also become beacons of light.
@@biblescenes "It is this truth that is the light that shines in the darkness, it is this truth that illumines our lives so that we also become beacons of light."
This is said from the outside. That light is the utterly simple everyday 'invisible light' that lights up or illumines (every) perception, and without which there would be absolutely nothing, not even the idea of nothing. There can only be error, suffering and sin if that light (of perception) is first there to reveal it. If one can say 'I suffer, I err, I am' then clearly that light is already present. To find out who is in error, who suffers and who sins, attention must turn from 'what the light reveals' to 'what is the nature of this light that reveals?'. To use Biblical language, one must turn attention away from 'man, whose breath is in his nostrils' (which is to say, mortal fleshy man) and towards that light in whom fleshy man appears. In the non-canonical Gospel of Thomas ('these are the secret sayings of the living Jesus, written down by me Didymos Judas Thomas, and whosoever understands their meaning, the taste of death he shall know not') one of the disciples ask Jesus "if I am not this mortal fleshy person that was 'born of a woman', where do we thinking human beings come from?". He replies "If they say to you, 'Where have you come from?' say to them, 'We have come from the light, from the place where the light came into being by itself, established [itself], and appeared in their image.' " The knowing of these words proves the presence of that light.
@@ianjackson3050 I think for the sake of language (also from the outside) the biblical pictures are/have to be concessions from where to begin. "He who loses him self, finds himself", simple expressions like these are the start of asking the question "How can I lose myself to find myself?" Who is the Worldly self? Who is the self that is found when the worldly self is dissolved, lost?
Im starting to be addicted to these talks. Rupert is one of the most patient teachers I've had the pleasure of watching. He is the light. I am thankful that we have real spiritual masters leading us directly to spirit.
It's just another addiction from the person
You can only be led if you are a follower. And if you are a follower, you will never recognize the Truth within you.
There is nothing spiritual about them. Except there word...and that are even copied from others.. find a real master.. sit with him that might help u.. all this will make it even worse.. trust me on this..
@Vicky Chauhan You have real insight. These fake gurus do actual harm to seekers. But their followers get so disturbed when you try to warn them...
@@vickychauhan2722 one year ago i watched a mooji Video about self inquiry, and almost instantly it clicket! After i was about 3 months in the bliss state, left the Person totally behind.. so, now the bliss comes just Time by Time, and not so intense as befor, and the Person also shows up sometimes, but thats fine! Because the Shift that happened is still here. Still awake. Still free!
So your comment does not Match with my own experience.
A hint is that if what you seek requires time, it is not the path. An experience implies time. Self is timeless. It requires no time to realize self. 🙏♥️
Realizing the Self is both the journey and the moment of awareness, it is both in time and timeless.
Enlightment is not just the recognition of our true nature as happiness, it is the living of this experience , as happiness, contentment every moment ,in the present moment. Knowing it theoretically is easy but worthless. Practicing and living it is difficult. It is this eternal happiness that the seeker is seeking. A living Guru fulfils this desire of Stabilization in Realization - Sirshree.
yes! one must feel it. feel it. feel the vibration.
Eternal happiness is a myth for as long as you're embodied....
Yes! He’s spreading neo nonsense! Papaji prople make the same mistake, they swapped realization for recognition.
I liked your comment, I would take exception to the word "difficult" because, as I see it, it is effortless.
If by difficult you mean that we go through many attempts in what I call spiritual practice, in what Laozi calls Dào discipline, I agree. However, I still do not experience it as difficult, for even the failures are profound soul moments.
"Uncomfortable with his message... They had him crucified!!" A little more than uncomfortable one would say, they saw him as a direct threat to the established order!
I try to focus on the video. and I fucking can't.
all I can do is sob my soul out.
people always think I'm much-much older than I am.
and it's so-so very-very humiliating.
it fills me with overwhelming
grief and rage and shame.
how will I ever attract a mate,
if the opposite sex isn't attracted to me?
I literally die inside. part of me dies:
from the powerlessness and the shame...
Two favorite teachers. ❤ ❤
Mine, too.
Nice guys😍
@@peteraxelsson5336 been listening to Mooji for about 8 years and to Rupert for probably about the same amount of time. Saw Rupert at a Science and Spirituality conference some years ago. Would love to sit in Mooji’s Presence someday.
@@lysechrist1947 I like them to, and also Osho and Deepak chopra
@@peteraxelsson5336 Me, too!
The "I" is nothing other than the "Eternal Now". One and the same.
So much resonance with what Rupert is saying 🙏🏽🙏🏽
All words of truth comes out of the same I am ness
Sending love and support to anyone having an especially difficult day.
Reach out to friends and other support when you can. Keep letting go. You got this!
I disagree. Enlightenment can be experienced. The 'oneness' can be experienced. Kundalini, the light, the infinite light realms. All there to be experienced. I speak only from experience.
Is it just me or was that Rupert bit fucking painful to watch. Felt like she mostly got a bunch of concepts dumped upon her, most of which she's probably heard countless of times already.
@11:30 " what would it's nature be?" - this is where the woman cannot relate to Rupert's suggestions. She only has a ccncept of it..and not yet experienced that truth. Everything after that are just words to her that her mind is trying to follow with his word logic. That isn't experiential.
Rupert is superimposing his experiential known over her's which are not the same. He's already had the shift in perception...she is still seeing from the separate self. It's actually surprising that he cannot even recognize that in her.
He needs to create am experience for her to know what he does. That is the challenge for teachers.
* Also - all that reiteration of "porche" and "perfect man" was patronizing her. Those were her previous teacher 's words to compare her addiction to enlightenment. She wanted enlightenment. Why couldn't he just use that as the thing she was chasing for happiness? But Rupert had to make this video "watchable' and sensational ...so he clung onto "porche" and perfect man" . That was disappointing .
Enlightenment: the veil is removed.-Rupert
Splendid image!
rupert is a gift for humanity
Not really
@@lioninvesting4676 that why you cant understand him
Not him ( as a person) , his teaching yes is a gift. He is not a master but a teacher.... what is not the same.
@@AJ-nf9rg yup he’s clever but not a master. He hasn’t experienced awakening himself but just has a conceptual understanding on it. Very different to the real experience
@@lioninvesting4676 but you dont know that. he might have experienced it or not.
If you know the technique of silencing your mind the awareness our True Self dawns. IT shines in our awareness as Awareness / Pure Consciousness. Be Aware of Being Aware. That is called Self Realisation. But it took me 5 years of intense spiritual pursuit to get that shift in my Consciousness. I am That.
Realizing mind essence, aka "the self" , ones true nature, "Buddha nature" shiva consciousness " beingness" "rigpa" "Dharmakaya" etc is just the beginning. Then adjusting to it above all ,stabilizing in it ,realising it's always there when it doesn't FEEL like it or when karma is accumulated etc is the next part from there. Until the realisation that phenomenon are consciousness also....then sahaja or completeness. Not a witness to phenomenon in separation but realising all is consciousness.
Then why is the room so full?
Some are awake and enjoy the speaker. I would be among them.
Many, I think, are still in a fog, and are looking for a spiritual breakthrough from the outside. The clarity comes from within.
Many value the guru over the message. At this level, the activity is not spiritual but idolatrous. Idolatry is simply worshipful attachment to the outward. Addiction is psychological attachment to the outward.
Well said
And some like to mix with like-minded people because most people in the world are fast asleep.
The woman’s plea for release was beautiful to listen too. I felt like she’d already got it but preferred to be a seeker; possibly for the thrill of finding/feeling what was already implicit in her experiences. Craving for enlightenment seems to be the complementary pair of letting go of craving for enlightenment. Cultivating awareness of and appreciation for this profoundly dynamic (ever-unfolding and uncontainable) interdependence of opposites has helped “me” discover and rediscover the mutual reinforcing qualities of whole-ness and individual-ness. I love how Rupert points the way to wholeness/oneness (enlightenment) through a process of deeply exploring who “I am”.
Nice. Agreed.
I hadn’t thought about polar opposites, being mutually exclusive in relation to this. I love being a “seeker“ and I love my suffering too. the action figure does anyway.
Interesting view. Nice sights
@@youarewhatyourelookingfor4496 thanks for your thoughts. I assume your action figure also loves standing on the top of the mountain you’ve extended yourself to climb. The mutual interdependency of effort and achievement is like that of seeking and finding. The ultimate challenge is what do you do when you’ve “found” what you’ve been searching for? In the past, I’ve tended to put the diamond back in the dirt and forget, just so I can keep searching. These days though, the seeking and the finding have unified into a deep appreciation for their interdependence at the level of my action figure and a deep contentment and detachment from either state at the level of witness consciousness.
"If you have seen me you have seen the Father."
I realize that. Few do.
This was extremely helpful. Thanks.
I can definitely see Rupert empathizing.. knowing that he himself spent such a long time searching.
They know the ways of the mind, so better to go straight to the root.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what enlightment is.
Mooji's stuff can only be discussed so far, if u dont experience it...it will stay theory...and it wont work longterm. The mind is simply not helpful in these things....think through the heart^^
For many, the mind is a gateway to the heart with proper understanding.
The heart feels, the mind thinks, just like the ear hears and the eyes see. The concept “think with the heart” (which ironically is itself a thought) is confusing because it contains the belief that the mind hides the Self. It doesn’t at all, and in fact the only tool we have to understand anything is our intellect, which is an aspect of our mind. The only question is whether the intellect is informed by truth or by misunderstanding.
@@VedantaGorilla problem is, we are used to put everything into words...and that hinders you from - on your spiritual path - jumping into the unknown. Words are somehow always concepts, but the consciousness Mooji is talking about is far from any concept...thats why the lack of words...
@@TheHoriyoshi that’s true that Consciousness is beyond words and concepts. But, Consciousness is also not an object to be experienced, rather it is who we are. It cannot be experienced because we are it! Point being that understanding (via the intellect, since that’s the only way we can understand anything) one’s identity as Consciousness is why freedom is possible. The mind cannot, does not, ever obscure our direct experience of our true nature - it only seems to.
Loved this so clear that Infinite Conscienceness Is Our True Nature. Thank You 🙏
In addition to this explanation Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is within you. That cuts out going through an additional person outside of yourself. Interpreting where/what someone is speaking from is paramount.
If you replace "I Am" with G.O.D. then you'll see yourself in truth.. Ex I am afraid...Can GOD or the Absolute be afraid..
go , read Cioran , you will know , what is what .
It's same the talk again again and again. It's all found in silence. What else Rupert what other great words? Non-Duality don't start down on it, because all it is is a circle. Good luck with your search ??? Crazy beings...
It has to be very repetitive because this is the way we've been conditioned, through repetition. Satsang is like a lullaby into awakening, until one gets determined to really see and stay with the seeing.
This is my quest!! To find myself with in myself. I think it’s a feeling of pure love ❤️
Indeed, it does as it ultimately is love that is entirely unconditional!
And the totality of the illusory dream world of separation, along with all the human suffering and dysfunctional insanity, including the spiritual path, is all sincerely quite the playful act from Love's point of view. There is nobody to hold responsible for all the trouble that seems to unfold, and likewise, there is nobody to take credit for the divine intelligence behind all of it in which it all appears to be happening but is actually happening at all. It just SEEMS like it is. Selfhood/individuation is a complete fiction.
"To say ‘I do not know myself’ or ‘I have known myself’ is cause for laughter. What? Are there two selves, one to be known by the other? There is but one, the truth of the experience of all." -Ramana Maharshi
Like looking at oneself in the mirror for a long time and being puzzled, unable to resolve the doppelganger.
That is indeed your spiritual mission.
However, a word to the wise, it is not a feeling. It is a state of consciousness, and from that state of consciousness feelings arise. I hope you perceive the nuance.
No one comes to the father except through me!!! Here the me is the understanding of who me/i is !!! Me refers to ourselves and knowing who we are " Who am I" When Jesus says me he is referring to our self and not to the person Jesus!!!!
Yes, yes and again YES!!
You are one of few who seize the true meaning of those words.
It's a stumbling block for Christians.
The only way to Source is to look within oneself.
The woman is so funny and honest, love it!! 😂.. She literally crafted in words the frustration many of us feel. Either let me have it God or take the desire away, that's a fair deal. How can Rupert not get this? Surely you have felt this way too once upon a time.
He gets it. He's trying to help her see that to seek something not already present is to continually overlook what you are seeking. Discarding this moment in the hopes of finding something in the next moment is like a dog chasing its tail (or as the 3rd Zen patriarch wrote, "the faster they hurry, the slower they arrive" - Verses on the Faith Mind).
@@jacquin8511 Well, I guess you are right...Notice how 'fully' present he is with her. I guess that makes all the difference! I haven't yet experienced such devoted and undivided attention from anyone in life. Maybe that is why my search is still on. Not seeking variety and thrill but that soothing stillness that makes you feel at home.
I know its within me too but only at at cerebral lvl for now. Till then, I guess I will be a d/b chasing my own tail. And I'm ok with that.
@@shoonyah this period in history of our world requires the most of us, in the most humble and less humble places and walks of life to realize this simple truth.
So don't be contented with yourself chasing your own tail, you're stating in so saying your own defeat.
This truth is only saying that before you think, I am, before you feel, I am, when you go unconscious, I am, when you sleep in bed, I am.
Whatever misery you're facing, I am is always there and it needs not a one who struggles to find it.
Either thinking or not about it, you are You!
What you are is unique, only you are the way you are.
So pain, lust, need, search they all come to everyone "thanks" to society.
But either being lusty or greedy, I am is there anyway.
In yoga they teach Nyama and Dyana, the moral rules, in Christianity, Islam and all the rest of religions is the same.
Not because it's right, but because they mirror the energy of a Seer, one who finds its own truth is easily unlustful and unneedy.
So you can be a Seer now.
If you're escaping your own energies you will realise it because in yourself there's psychological future.
"At that point of my life I'll be, I'll do" and so on.
But by seeing this you can narrow down to now the psychological resolution of your psyche and face now what your mind is preventing you to face, you'll find most likely suffering and by being present and watchful it will be released.
So do not postpone the facing of who you are tomorrow and also **do not expect you'll be 100% healed or pure spirit, you're human after all**
Face it now, in every Now that you can.
Good bless you
@@vittoriodangiolino2850 I am sorry but I don't think I accepted defeat or refusal to claim my own divinity. But in the same breath may I add that im not in any rush or desparation to be enlightened. ...whatever that word means.
I'm uncovering my layers, slowly discarding it one at a time and with each removal I'm falling more n more in love with myself.
I'm is evolving as I AM is watching. 'I am' is happier with every passing day. So I am is facing IAM right now.
Where n when were we given a time limit for knowing oneself? What is the urgency for the finish line when every moment is a start n finish in itself? I don't get the rush n the hush. I just don't buddy.
I will come back if I have to finish off my so called incomplete state_ that is ok. Not blaming anyone for messing it up or pacing ahead of me.
I will fail, I will learn, I will fall in love with faces and creatures and know the qualities and varities.... I will cry and wipe the dust and move on but I refuse to pretend to be anything Im not.
There is no waiting for a state, no stagnation, there is movement in every NoW and I am evolving.
There is one thing I Am always enjoys_ witnessing the experience of all that It is experiencing.
So don't worry, I will see you at heaven's gates one day if that is where you choose to wait...and all those who have crossed my path and reached home.
Take care. For now I walk behind you not with you. I will cheer you on as you journey ...for we are just travellers meeting, teaching and learning from another and then separating. Only to meet again. So says Rumi ❤
@@vittoriodangiolino2850 This comment has been of use to me, thankyou. Procrastination has been a problem of mine for a while, and the seperate self is capitalising on that. As aware of it as I am of this, there is a kind of tamas, laziness. Putting it aside for later, but forgetting now is all there is. Thankyou for the reminder.
How else can one experience God other than "through me"? A clearer answer can hardly be given.
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Consciousness is awareness. 🧘♂️ Rupert brought me here, Mooji set this body-mind free 🙏
I liked your comment, but I would put it this way:
These individuals caused you to reflect, look within yourself. The awareness and paradigmatic changes come from within YOU.
HOW can the highest Hz, essence of all, co-creator of all, of and as which YOU are, be described/experienced as "just being". It never feels that way in me. Joyously Glorious, energy resonating energy, radiant! Start THERE!
Actually, for me, it has made my life better. Awareness of my essence, getting out of my head, meditating daily; life is quite blissful, actually, but being human is also about learning lessons so it’s not a perfectly smooth ride even with the recognition/awareness. But for me, the duration of suffering is lessened because I now know that most of that suffering comes from the false narratives of my past conditioning. And I have far fewer expectations, though I still
have “intentions” and now I just let them
go, and if they are meant to come to me, I’m grateful. Since recognizing what’s spoken here today, strangely, my life is perfectly OK as it is and my gratitude for my peace of mind is bringing me a lot of those things I used to be driven to have or achieve. And he’s right: once you’ve found that peace and happiness you don’t need to be on a “path.” You just ARE.
Explained nicely. Thank you💜
Well said! Thanks
So True this resonates ..
Ok, I agree with what you've said totally, thank you.
But please tell me what you think happens after death?
And if you've heard Rupert or Mooji answer, what happens after death please give me the links. Thank you again.
You can hear the disappointment in the woman's voice speaking to Spira. The buddha did not teach that spiritual seeking or desire was wrong or the same as the desire for mundane objects. The desire that the woman describes is to be praised and encouraged. The buddha called it dharma chunda or vhirya- desire for truth, freedom, energy towards enlightenment. We need that drive because like all the awakened ones through history they needed to transcend the greatest force in the universe, the ego; and this didn't happen just on its own. Tremendous resolve and love and wisdom are needed. The woman asks a great question Why are there so many people in this room? Because Spira seems to simplify and make it sound oh so easy. A good teacher recognises and can adapt their words to suite an individual. I felt Spira totally missed where this intelligent and aritulate deep woman was coming from. She articulated a great question. The ego won't just go away because you are tricked into believing you are already happy. We can hear in her voice how defeated she sounds. Our innate nature may be happiness but ignorance runs very deep and we need human qualities of strength and resolve and perseverance and patience to uproot these volitions embedded in samsara. It is these heroic qualities that lead to the place where eventually the ultimate letting go happens. Faith, discernment, energy and receptivity are the ingredients for true freedom.
No teaching is needed, that's why it is direct. We're free to be free and free to be bound, but who can accept that? Yet not every fruit ripens at the same time, these are the mysteries.
disagree... she was rambling on & on... and Rupert gave profound and simple responses.... that she didnt grasp... just like she didnt grasp teachings from Mooji or Gangaji... She obviously is bound by her desire to be enlightened and unwilling to give up the search yet... One day she'll surrender to the simplicity of it im sure.
Possibly coming from a Buddhist background you are insisting that there is a path and that this woman is a good passionate seeker! You clearly have compassion and empathy for her. The trouble is that it is the absence of seeking, that is realisation. Rupert was keeping it direct and simple to address this. Just like all those crazy zen Buddhist stories where the monk jumps over the wall to escape the monastery and gets enlightened in the local brothel! Because he finally let go. Rupert is just trying to save her some time.
It is not just the absence of seeking that represents awakening, it is the absence of a seeker. Just because you stop seeking does not mean that the seeker has disappeared. There may be some days, months, even years of relief because the struggling has settled but the seeker can hide in such subtle ways and re-emerge in fine fettle when life triggers it. These teachers can perhaps occasionally uproot completely the sense of agency in a follower but rarely does the path unfold like that. For the thousands and thousands of genuine seekers who don't realise the unfathomably profound nature of the wisdom and compassion of the mind from this sort of pathless path, other qualities need to be nurtured and honoured so that the ground is prepared for awakening. Of course this is one snapshot of a dialogue and Ruperts relationship to the questioner is unknown, maybe this is just what she needs, to meet the end of the road, maybe she was ready to melt into that frustration and see it for what it is, a manifestation of craving, maybe she went away amd cried and cried amd her heart broke open to her own years of struggle and maybe it dawned on her that her own desire for awakening was indeed the final link in the chain for her and a new freedom opened up.
@@edwinbircumshaw8161 Yes quite so
The way that can be told is not the way. -Lao Tzu. It’s so hard to put these things into words. At some point you have to quit seeking outside yourself and quiet the mind and let yourself BE.
Yes. You must look within.
The one who is awake finds words to describe his transcendent experience. The problem with words is that unenlightened seekers cannot seize the meaning from them that enlightened person sees in them. Words form no bridge. You must form the bridge yourself through observation and meditation, through experience and reflection. Your very own understanding is the bridge that connects to the arcane words of a sage.
I came here to hear Mooji speak but found profound respect for Rupert as well ❤️
What you are looking for is within you.You are the source of your happiness and you are the source of your sadness.The ultimate so called spiritual experience is the simple coming and going of this breath,from nowhere comes this power which brings the gift of life and without which we with all our hopes and dreams cannot exist.Recognise the magic that dwells in the hearts of all human beings and bathe not in questions but in love and understanding.💚
Mmmm I am a person the great spirit within us all is a person we cannot fall in love with a white energy or non person to depersonalize our spiritual lives is spiritual suicide it is insanity of the highest grade the ultimate ego trap I am and you are the supreme is illusion?
David: I looked within me for years and found nothing!!
Are you free from anger and fear, especially sickness and dying?
@@michaelg1569 : You are not bound to anything.
Your points do not give sense. Is the whole idea just to be free from Hunger, sickness and death?
Yes, YOU are creator, cause.
Hippe bullshit
Enjoy your meal.
I saw myself selling my 2400 sq ft home on 4 acres and moving into a motor home. I was happy with all the things I had accumulated in the home, and I had to give most of them up to live in the motorhome. The home became a place of seclusion, my own prison. So now I live in a 33 foot motorhome that is beautiful inside and out. And it has become a new place of seclusion, another prison of my own choosing. And for now, I am content with this new kind of freedom.
To get rid of the wanting to achieve something, just let go of the wanting. Realize that who you really are was never "born" nor will ever "die." In that realization is the fulfillment of all wants. And you can still have wants without the distraction of any fear of never getting what you want.
John carter s words resonate with me, in particular.
All that we seek is ultimately happiness or peace. It does not come to us through activity, objects or relationships. Happiness is who we are. Our essential nature is complete, content, eternal, and cannot be tarnished by experience. We cannot find it out there, because it is our essential nature. Recognizing that truth for all of us, is all that enlightenment comes down to.
17:20 - What a great down to earth explanation. One couldn't put it more bullseye than this. . . . . . But, what if you constantly physically hurt because of a disease? How can one find enlightenment when your whole body is in constant pain ?
It is much easier. You distance yourself from the paining body and the witness Consciousness thus separated is the Self.
Anbukkarasi Manoharan , I keep trying that but I'm not going anywhere with it. God knows how much I desire to enlighten, literally and figuratively.
@@jimviau327 I can try to help you.
Anbukkarasi Manoharan , what would you suggest ?
@@jimviau327 Depends upon where you are in your Spiritual journey.
This is absolutely so good! Thank you for this wonderful video......❤
Wow enllightenment is the recognition of the nature of our being, perfect
Sounds easy. But even after the recognition, surrendering is one of the most difficult things we will ever do.
He’s wrong on that.
Enlightenment is recognizing that you are an eternal spirit, not a human body. It is recognizing your true Self.
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Spiritual practice is not difficult, as I experience it. It is challenging, and I am the adventurer. Difficult makes it sound stressful. I do not experience it as stressful.
Ji is a term of respect. Maybe you can begin by showing some respect for spiritual wisdom as opposed to something like a “Porsche” or a “man of dreams ”😂
I found both absolutely wonderful. Each of them shining throught their unique way to express the Self.
Mooji, I found, gives here, a great explanation of this passage of the Bible, gives the key to understanding it.
Each is a beautiful expression of The Divine. Grateful to both Rupert and Mooji for appearing and shining the Light of Being through them 🙏🏻✨✨✨🙏🏻❤️❤️
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I’m not sure anybody puts it better or as simply as Rupert 🥰🙏🏽✨♥️ .... still doesn’t make it easier to get there and stay there though 😅 .... oh the pesky mind 😂
That is the paradox, there is nowhere to get, and no one to stay. Yet we are nurtured by listening to the sages ❤️
@@opensourcespirituality5214 yes very true ♥️ thank u for ur reply 🥰✨
You're right....
Just try stop getting anywhere and just live with life as it is, even if jts boring and within that is that contempt part, even if jts hard to recognize
Am grateful to Prem Rawat who has helped me discover inner peace and happiness in the simplest way through his gift of knowledge of the self. He has been teaching the same subject since he was a child.The difference between Prem and other teachers of the same subject is that Prem is easily reachable across the planet to share his precious gift.
This I do not understand: the Woman repeatedly states: "I find my self...."...the Woman's 'self' is not paying attention, 'self' is not 'Noticing' that self's 'I' is speaking...this is a fundamentally lack of technique, a flaw in 'Method'...'self' is not tracking by 'self'...'self' is the aspect that begins and progresses upon the Path...the lack of 'noticing' by 'self' negates the consequence of the tracking-Technique, this consequence is 'differentiation', as by 'self' tracking all that is articulated, and noticing, which results in 'awareness of self' by 'self', 'self' literally 'see's' 'self', and consequentially the 'Awakening Awareness' that is the True Source of 'self' begins to 'stand up from the dead' (Yehoshua's Teachings) thru 'knowing self' as self discovers it's 'self both process are a Union...this process is Incremental, and spoken to in Tibetan Buddhism as the 'Accumulation Phase', of which there are three types: Accumulation and a connection Will-not take place in this lifetime,;Accumulation Phase and connection May take place in this life time; Accumulation Phase & a connection Will take place in this life time..
...these Phase are integrally bound to the Type of Mind the Seeker is running, of which there are 4: Sudra, Vaishya, Kshatriya, or Brahmana, (no-poles present, one pole present, two pole present undifferentiated, two poles present differentiated and in process of become Integrated, resulting in the Union-with-UNION which is Advaita in Essence & Functionality)...these 4 Mind-types in Western terms are Pathologized: Border-line-personality, Uni-polar-depressive, bi-polar manic depressive, and a forth type which has no name, but by default is the mind-type of the Psychiatrist, as they use their functionality as baseline for their Pathology: in Yehoshua's Teachings: Mind of the Meek, Merchant-mind (Judgmentally-based) mind of the Pharisee/Sadducee, and the Anointable-Mind/Mind-of-Christ: these 4-Mind-Types are synonymous within each Tradition...
The Woman is exhibiting Undifferentiated Kshatriya mind at the Transition Plateau to Brahmana, but the Method she is running is flawed -fundamentally,,,All she requires is basic training in Awareness-of-self Methods, coupled with the understanding that her genetic Linage is Western, and the fundamental difference between east and west is in the East 'Uprooting' the 'self' is the baseline premise to ALL Eastern Practices, while the Western Linage the 'self' must 'lay down it's Life for it's Brother', and that brother is the unconscious 'Awareness' that is 'Laying down dead/comatose' behind the 'self' and is the Source of 'self'...and that is the difference between East & West and the reason you could not help her, only frustrate her by repeating over and over to the 'self' standing before you, Rupert, repeating things that have not worked for her in the past...
She begins by stating: "I keep finding my 'self'": her the 'I' is Speaking unconsciously, the 'self' is unconsciously taking ownership of what is said, not 'parsing what is said. and then 'self-will' as 'owner of the mind/body' runs around using self-will to try and find that which 'self' is supposed to turn it's 'self-will' over to, the awareness-within...simple 'self-will-run-riot' coupled with low-self-esteem (Virginia Satir) and it is low-self-esteem that stops her 'self' and most of the rest of the Western World, from proceeding successfully along the Spiritual Path...now the Direct Path is a whole-other-matter, and beyond the scope of this woefully incomplete treatment/analysis of Rupert's interaction with this Seeker...
Now, regarding this statement below:
"Enlightenment is not an experience. It is not something that happens to you. It is not something to be found. It is simply the recognition of your being. Of the nature of your being". Simply beautiful.
These are all 'Abstract Ideas', Intellectualizations that have no concrete application upon the Path: They can give 'mental relief' to a mind that is suffering, BUT they do not result in Union-with-UNION_EXISTS...They are part of the Eastern Path, and are a dis-service and false-path for Western Minds (reasons for this are beyond the scope of this message)
Understand, the 'self' is Experience...it is Comprised Fully of 'experiences', and the Union by 'self' with UNION IS an Experience as 'self' can only experience and is made-up of Experiences...a Tautology the 'self' is, and only the inexperienced with the 'experience' of UNION can say the Union is not something 'self' experiences, as 'self' would not exist if Experience did not Exist, and the experience of EXISTS at the Human Level is all & only about Experiencing, Seeking, and Finding Union, which is more like being Found & Rescued...And being Rescued IS a HAPPENING..it Happens to the self, and the Relief the 'Self' Experiences is Palpable...but the Eastern Way is Milk-Toast compared to the Western Path, Fully Viable and Complete Path the Eastern is, but it's Base-line premise is the reverse of the Western (Carl Jung)...
But I must leave off here, as my 'self' is Tiring, and to run this much energy through a 'self' has consequences (see Dali Lama's Oracles and life expectancy, they burn out channeling their intermittent Unions with EXISTS thru the Interface named 'Awareness'), so I must let 'him' rest, My Brother who laid down His Life for His BROTHER...thus I leave 'Hinting', which is 'Remes' of PRDS, PaRDeS Exegeses, for those who 'have an Ear-to-Hear'....😇😁
Perfect. Perfect timing. I am 'it', my own treasure that no one can take.
Can I say, I've been with acim since 2001 and beyond. And your discussion about -the answer is soooo it.
For me, what I've found that has led me to this point is the idea, I am the only one 'here', this is MY dream. That's the nature of a dr😊eam....you are physically, mentally alone in the second dream. My illusion. The dreamer is a character I have made, these people do not exist, just as dream characters, even though they are Christ, part of Christ, the bodies are illusion.
Not 2 hours ago I thought I was doomed to a perpetual dark night.
I'm having the thought of me at TMR, putting my socks on and loving it, lovin 31:07 g my mind, being with myself. Whatever com😊es, comes. Nothing can hurt Me.
Just two hou😊rs ago, I felt like oh God, another dark night of the soul. And then this.
I assume you don't try to keep it in awareness...
Is th😊ere something I can think etc to solidify this experience, to not lose😊 awareness of it? I think this sleeping dreaming i am the only one here in this dream is very helpful.❤
Thank you. I will watch this😊 again TMR.
Sometimes aquisitions really do bring happiness. For example if you had to take public transport to commute to work and disliked it, obtaining a car would change that. Or more fundamentally if you were hungry, aquiring food would make you happy. And sometimes, it makes no difference, for example a second Tudor when you already have one, plus a Rolex, an Omega, and four Grand Seikos. Not much happiness in that I would say.
I appreciate what he's trying to do, and I totally empathise with what she's saying. As he goes through his analysis of the 'I' he says there is nothing more other than its recognition. But I'm not convinced.
Does this recognition bring about the same degree of insight as, say, Buddha? If so why do we say Buddha was omniscient because I don't believe that those who write on this page are omniscience after their 'awakening'.
By recognising this 'I' do I gain the same insight into what the Buddha meant when he spoke of our True Nature as 'Emptiness'?
I could go on and on, but fundamentally why did it take a spiritual giant such as Buddha, many years and great, almost life-threatening effort to simply recognise the 'I'?
Something's wrong here!
Achieve the purified " Iness" or the " I am" consciousness with the view point of God, the Holy Spirit, to aquire the God nature, and enter the Kingdom of God.
15:00 This part is badly misunderstood by pretty much everyone. Rupert inquires about the drive for happines but fails to define it and this "floating" concept does a lot of harm if misunderstood. What should have transpired there is a direct questioning about the values one holds and the idea that the "attainment" of these values will allow oneself to "be" happy. "Oh! I have finally made it" feeling. There is no limited value that will ever satisfy you and you cannot have a limitless value atm.
There is manly one thing that we are seeking, the limitlessness. It is not found in the world of limits, but it can be reached by letting go of ones own investment in the limits.
"No porpuse" means the same thing as no value.
But doesn't the reality of being that which has to let go expose an inherent limit that can't be let go?
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God limits not.
What limited your being but your own mind?
Stay silent, stay quiet.
No matter what your mind is trying to express, silence will be always "righter".
@@konstantinNeo... I didn't say nor suggest that God has limits... What I said is that inherent within having to let go of something is the exposing of an inherent limit.
If there were no limit already in place, there would be no need to let go of what you want to let go of.
As for staying quiet...
That requires a choice be made to do so... Which contradicts staying quiet.
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Neither did I.
The whole supposition IS about God not being limited and our mind exercising its right of "free will" to thinks some thing other than that God has created and that is limited.
In 1896 a boy of 16 years got real scared about dying while being in his room and what he did is to sever his thoughts about his identity from this body. He no longer identified as a limited something. He did not identify as anything from that point and tried to communicate his findings to others. From his own words, silence is the best teacher. That boy was later know as Ramana Maharshi.
You can function in this world as if you were on rails, on pure inertia. You know how to feed yourself, clothe, clean, etc. Try living without constant commentary about what you do, just do it in peace.
To complement Mooji's words...
what people forget to address is what Jesus said BEFORE that. Before saying "no one comes to the Father except by me", he identified who he was. And he didn't say "I am Jesus from Nazareth, and no one comes to the Father..."
Rather he said: "I am the way, the truth, and the life...". So Jesus was NOT meaning: "you can only come to the Father by Jesus". Instead, he was meaning: "you can only come to the Father by... the way, the truth, and the life"....
"which, by the way, I am", he could have completed.
Such an important question for most spiritual seekers. Watch this! 😍
The man who insightfully explains thee is no such thing as time… checking his watch!
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"Recognition of our being". And exactly who is recognizing what?
But.....I am no longer the same self. Spirit interrupted my life and changed it, so dramatically that I have lost 'self'. Self has disappeared and left me nowhere. So was I better off before the interruption of Spirit? Because now I feel I am completely lost.
The 'I Am' being referred to is the 'brahman' referenced in Vedanta. Hinduism is centered around this principle of non-dualism.
I don't understand why people cannot get what these non dual speakers are talking about. It's extremely easy to talk about Shiva and Shakti. There is no need for all these speakers to be making millions going round and round in circles referencing Shiva and Shakti.... period
I find it exceptionally clear and efficient. However nothing is said about the bliss, the love, the opening of heart chakra... that are often also part of enlightenment.
Stop the search as it's not findable. Stop looking as it's just out of sight.
Just look around and see yourself everywhere in the flowers in the birds in the wind and in the other person's eyes.You are eternal. You have no life as you are life.
Stop searching.
If Truth is a pathless land (Krishnamurti) then how can you teach a direct path ??????
Nonduality denies the self and sense of agency, and encourages dissociation and depersonalization which is a type of spiritual bypassing. The narrative of self is also needed when exploring trauma and reality. Relationships are important, and nonduality fails to help one improve relationships through engaging a sense of self and a personal narrative. In other words: nonduality is exclusive and claims to be the "correct" way of relating with the world and oneself in an irrefutable way. If it were truly beneficial, then it would be complimentary with non-nondual perspectives. That it is not.
The need or desire to be in a nondual state is more of a novelty that can and does for some becomes a distraction. Bliss is preferred over normal egoic reality which we all need to function and experience the world.
Actually "we" don't want happiness but want to get rid of the wanting witch itself is a wanting we have to get rid of. What remains could be described as happiness without a reason. And even within deep sleep happiness and consciousness, as well information through the senses and memory, all disappear. It's being itself without a cause. It only gets weird when you ponder about it.
Jesus, I read, never wrote anything down.. That be the case WE do not know if he did say that or, at least, those exact words or to even the meaning now conveyed.. I see it best never to separate oneself from God..💎
In the deep sleep you are their but you do not know even you do no know that I am breathing in the deep sleep. Then what is happening there???? But the real self is beyond that deep sleep... The self is everywhere. only thoughts only blocking. When doing self realisation practice we can free from thoughts. When doing deeply the self only remaines.
Being told that enlightenment is no more exciting than a cup of tea is like being served a bowl of soup which is nothing more than hot water.
I wonder if Tolle felt his new perspective to be something as bland as what is being proffered here?
This lady is not yet lost since she is still searching. Others seem to have stopped and become enamoured with their Self. This is death.
To realise you are the same person you always were is, perhaps, interesting, but is it as earth shattering as the gentlemen suggests? Let's not be so quick to dismiss the richness and majesty of Creation and replace it with a cardboard cutout that, well, tastes like weak tea.
My own experience with 'Enlightenment' was more in the form of an invitation to Ascend. So I would say from my own experience Enlightenment was more than the recognition of one's sense of self. Maybe that is what many people are searching for: The truest unshakable sense of awareness that they are accurately orientated on the Path.
it s not the happiness i seek but the absense of suffering...i am myself but the layers of suffering and confusion make it impossible to be with myself and feel compleet.
After watching this I really want a Porshiee.
I think we need some kind of shock or pain to break away or crack the husk that reveals our inner being.
The old saying he's a tough nut to crack, comes to mind.
The failure of the Direct Path is that it has not been able to track just _how many_ people who follow it get enlightened. Five percent? 10 percent? What level of enlightened? Initial? Abiding? They don't track it, so they don't know. Whereas the more systematic paths DO have a reasonable accounting of all these things. It's still pretty bad, but at least, they have some idea of the success rate.
The IAM is not the ultimate state, it is not non dual, it is one major step on the path, and is required to reach the non dual state, but it has seven levels, before the non dual state is reached. So I have to say this is not non dual, it could be you have reached the IAM consciousness level, which I may add is a permanent state, and in Yoga the IAM is Samadhi, for the IAM to become non dual, it has to be absorbed one CHAKRA at a time, until the IAM is totally absorbed,
The IAM is a consciousness and for something to be conscious there must be two, the consciousness and that which is aware of it, this is why the IAM is dual, but as was said is needed to reach the farther, which is the non dual state, and as also as said, the assention through the chakras are essential to reach the non dual state, whether the practitioner is aware of that fact or not, absorption level of meditation is required to reach your inner being, and Kundalini and the Chakras are the absorbtion process, and at the IAM level of consciousness, if it been reached as a permanent state, is the depth of meditation when the absorbtion process starts, and I have to say Rupert, stop calling the Yogis ans Masters or anyone else, because the old methods are required, and there are things that need doing,, like meditation for instance, where do you think this came from, if we don't need none of the stuff that's been handed down, it cannot interlectually be attained, and this has the feel of interlectual non dualism to me.
She wants understanding. "When two become one, one becomes all." The two are wisdom and knowledge; together, they create power.
yes! one must feel it. feel it. feel the vibration.
Excellent quote, but I see it this way:
The two are symbolic of duality. When you can conquer duality so that there is oneness, then you will be in harmony with all.
The state of consciousness of oneness produces compassion, inclusion, empathy, forgiveness and peace, just to name a few.
@@mejohn101It's not a feeling, but from it comes feelings.
So for once i think i perceived what he is talking about... That i am. I need someone to talk to who did as well? This is tripping me out right now.
"Before Abraham was born, I am." What more need be said, really?
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So tell us about Abraham. You remember where you were before YOU were born? No. You did not exist. And you will again cease to exist. Man don't waste your time studying this psyops bs that they are doing on people. There's no such thing as "enlightenment". Enlighten is just another word for 'being informed of'. You are already "enlightened", you just don't know it because your trying to chase it when it's already there.
It's not easy to listen to the "question" of every egoistic, ungrateful lunatic. Seems like an eternity.
Forgetting and then Remembering who I am/ who we are is a game we play. When the game gets really intense, we suddenly remember. It is an eternal game.
Trupti or satiation is the sign of having arrived at a destination that is nothing other than you. This I am told happens when we stop all other than sadhanas, like, say, focussing with an analogue camera.
"Want" isn't the key issue the key is "I" or "me" always in your sentence. May you "I""me" free.
Great textual citation by Mooji. Very Vedantic!