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I love when people review stuff like this there like ya it’s a perfect entry level bike . Then they act like everyone that rides wants to go 8,000mph and ride wheelies . Most people just want to ride around at the speed limit
Kawasaki sells globally. The US is not the only country on planet Earth. In some countries, bikes over 250cc are restricted and the 230 sm is an upgrade to the 155cc and lower motorbikes that many people are accustomed to.
Yammi I'm sorry man. But honestly it's kinda boring with just you on the yamcast
Yeah definitely feels like scam bait
Maybe a sumo 230 makes perfect sense because it would make a great commuting machine? I like dual sports as commuters because they are comfortable to ride, great on gas mileage, the long travel suspension makes speedbumps irrelevant, they are simple machines to maintain, and they are generally cheap machines to purchase and insure. If you're not a squid you don't need a torque monster. The only thing that I think sucks about commuting on a dual sport is the poor traction of knobby tires and the lack of street oriented tires for the traditional 21/18 inch wheel size. Only if they had 17 inch wheels..........
For real.. and if you see a dirt road, well, it's fun time. Even on 17's, toss some scorpion rally tires on and do it all
I commute with a klx230 daily. The knobby tires work fine on pavement
I live in Indonesian villages... which is usually mountainous. This is the place where KLX born, the people here mostly focus on gravel and rocky roads. The Supermoto version is aimed at the suburban and city crowd.
@@isaacw.7523 Hey....i am about to bye 230 sm...Do you suggest me to make a little fight with my poor economics and go for 300 instead of 230?
@@DimitrisTsoykalas if you will be consistently going 55+mph then I would recommend the 300 simply for the reduced rpm at that speed
I want the Ninja 400 motor in a Supermoto! Come on Kawi!
My thoughts exactly. Not enough go inn the 24 hp 300cc supermoto. Kaw 400 or 450cc twin would be smoother and blow the doors off the ancient DRZ 400 sm 5 speed carb oh my.
Just bought one today. This thing feels like it should be illegal. Love it so far! Wheelies real nice and did a couple stoppies so far.
How much you paid OTD ? I just went to my local dealer there offering me one 2023 ABS OTD $5,499
@@FOURFTPyou can get a used one with low mileage for around 3-4 grand depending on your community market.
@@jinx4903 it’s really low …. I only found 3 for sale near my area. They all asking for 7k 9k the lowest was 6k . There all trying get back all the interest they paid 😭
No ZX4R news, sad times.
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The klx230 is actually a really amazing dual sport bike. Anyone who has actually ridden it has been quite impressed compared to what they were expecting going in...the 230 holds it's own when ridden with other bikes out on the trails. The 2023 model as far as I can tell the only difference is the newer headlight and a slightly redesigned front fender, otherwise its the same bike as before, which said bike is a really great bike. Personally I am a fan of the older headlight, it gave the bike unique character IMO...in fact I hope to still find an SE version when I have the loot squared away in the next few months, as I'm a fan of both color options, the oriental blue and firecracker red versions, as well as the black spoked rims as opposed to the silver ones on the standard 230...so fingers crossed for me...but yeah for anyone who might be thinking about the bike, but is unsure due to it being a 230, IMO its the best of the Japanese dual sports 300cc or under. Kawa designed the engine and subsequently the bike, frame, aesthetic, et al. From scratch, to make the klx 230 its own line of bikes and they really nailed it with this one...imo of course.../blahg.
Woo hooooo I made it, I’m one of the cool kids
me too :)
Stoked on the 230 sm. better than a grom.
Let’s goo!! I’d buy a 230 why not?! Cheap and fun! Great off road bike to pair with your street bike!
The 300SM is just about as cheap and can go on the highway. Also, to get ABS on the 230SM you will spend just as much as the 300SM.
@@b226tj i think i'd rather save up the extra 1000ish to get the 300
@@hpzzz That’s what I did. I named her Lexxi and now have a weird “Cafe” touring adv cruiser thing that’s notorious for slaughtering Harleys to 60 mph. Honestly the 300SM isn’t exactly a good beginner bike. It’s dirt bike heritage implies that it’s good off-road but it’s actually not and will slip and slide like hell.
@@b226tj i don't have a bike, but was considering a klx300sm for a first bike primarily for austin city riding. how does the 300sm feel?
@@SkreetJeebus thanks for the feedback, i'm a few inches taller than you. i think it's gonna be the bike, gonna go sit on one though
I got the KLX 230s ABS as a starter bike. I commute 10 miles to work on it daily, with a few at 70mph with no issue. I liked the lower seat height and ABS options, plus it was cheaper and in stock vs the 300.
Hey man, I'm looking to get one. I was just wondering what price you paid for yours.
@@09jklful The MSRP was right at $5,000 and it was around $6,700 out the door. That's in Texas though where they include taxes and other things at the dealer so you might be able to get cheaper. The 2024 model looks like it has some nice improvements, but after a year I am wishing I had more power.
@jschimiz Thanks for your reply! I'm cross shopping between this new and a used Honda CRF300 Rally, that a local dealer got as a trade-in. No news on the price yet though.
What us reviewers fail to realize is if you go to most Latin American countries (and I'm assuming Asian markets as well but have never been) half the vehicles on the roads are motorcycles and dirtbike / supermoto style small cc, they are cheap and work on shitty roads. That's a very different world then what we have in the states. US bike guys tend to look at motorcycles as toys to take on flat superhighways sometimes because 99.9% of US is using cars almost always. So the big 4 probably don't take US roads riders into account when looking at design choices.
my guess for why they have the 230sm is because some countries have made bikes without abs illegal. so the 300 is unavailable in those places, but you can get the 230sm.
That definitely makes sense.
Exactly. Jurisdictions with 250cc limits probably come into it as well. A lot of what happens in the small capacity bikes is determined by wants and needs in South East Asia as most of those bikes are made in Asia (Thailand, India etc).
KLX230 was built in Indonesia, we consider 250 class here a luxury which comes with extra tax. The same tax only exist in America for 750cc Non-Harley. Different environment, and I had to agree with yammie that it doesn't make sense... for America. It is for Asian and EU Market.
Klx 300 is $1700 more than the klx230 here in Canada
I see the 230 SM as their "hook" to move up in displacement , we forget what it is like to start out riding.Less fuel cheaper insurance and cool looks to boot. Or as I age out of big/heavy would buy a used one as new rider moves up! Hey I raced/trailed a Husky OR 250 2/stroke that my small frame needed a milk crate or tree stump to get on/off of. At 68 my DL1000 getting a bit heavy. Get old , ride lighter?
Kawasaki failed....They still haven't made a 450 off road bike with a head light and a tail light...So what we get a new motocross 450! No 450 or 500cc dual sport to compete with the Yamaha WR 450, Honda CRF 450X, or the now sadly discontinued Suzuki RMX 450Z... They're still failing...No big off road thumper with lighting...Here in Missouri we convert these to road bikes and Supermoto machines...All the state requires is a head light, tail light, mirror, and horn...Bummer Kawi...
I have the 2022 KLX230S in Olive and I love it. The stiffer suspension really helps with road riding and is good enough to do off-road. It’s not an Enduro, but she’s a blast and goes anywhere except the Interstate.
No small commuter, no supersport, no hyper-model, z650 looks meh when z700 or z900 is there ... '23 will be a boring year, but I do get that street riding is dying so they cater to the offroad crowd.
I'll say the 2:30 is probably going to be the perfect bike for the beginner and let's be real supermodo's right now are the best bike for inner city travel they're small they're agile you can get between the lanes very simple and feel very confident riding one at the same time you're not on a big sport bike you don't have your knees banging into doors it's very practical and I think the 2:30 is going to be the perfect CC for your beginner who's a little more twitchy you know more prone to grab a handful of front brake you know a better beginner bike and it won't have that torque off the line that may scare some of those newer riders probably a little more forgiving to you riders with not as good throttle control
What I’m sayin. Looking for a beginner bike and I’ve been looking for reviews on this.
I kind of want a Ninja 650, just because after owning a 636 for a year, I love it (especially the looks), but sometimes I just wanna ride to work with more comfortable ergos
I'd consider z650rs in that situation (unless you really care for the sport look). 650 will be too bland after tasting a 636.
I know what you mean, owning a cbr 600 I sometimes want to trade it for something more relaxed or buy an additional bike that is more practical
@@BillyBob-ie6zq big regrets tho, those bikes just don’t make you feel good the same way as a zx10 or 636
@@BigFx yeah I don't really do naked bikes. I used to hop back on a Ninja 300 after the 636 but I sold it not too long, the 650 should be able to take it's place just fine
@@geraltofrivia4651 but now that you mention it I DO also want a zx10. Goddamn I'm gonna have a whole Kawasaki stable soon
You are thinking about things from a US/European perspective. The $1000 price difference between the 230 and the 300 is massive in the far East markets, where the majority of bikes are 155cc, or below, and anything larger is a bike bike. I'm currently living in the Philippines, and the aspirational bikes are pretty much anything 200cc, and above.
In states like Arkansas and Alabama, young people (14+) are limited to 250 cc and this bike makes perfect sense to target that genre. My son and nephew both 14 yrs old are able to street legally ride this bike in and off road. Great mindset Kawasaki!
9:17 that picture in picture while you talked and scrolled through the bikes is a good look.
We could see and read the article while you commented on it's features....Great video as usual.....I agree with your discord person...traction control and abs will likely be standard on most bikes soon for insurance reasons and it would not surprise me if ,soon, you could not turn either off....Harley has a leaning traction, stability control on it's Livewire...I never thought I'd see that....God forbid every bike is forced to have a computer tell you how hard you can ride it....the Livewire with it's tire shredding instatorque , it makes sense.
It make sense when you live in Mauritius 🇲🇺 and you pay VAT 50% more if you have anything above 300cc
The 230 series is popular in Asia where people are generally smaller in stature and don't ride the same as in the US. But there are a lot of people in the US who want a simple air cooled bike that goes fast enough but won't break the bank. The 230 series fits that. It's a great bike, no cooling system to worry about breaking. It's light and fast enough for most. So it makes perfect sense to me. I love mine but since I ride mostly street, I'm now wondering if I should have gotten the supermoto. All fun bikes though.
I own a 21 KLX230SE (special edition) about to roll over 10,000 miles. Half on county gravel roads rest on county blacktop. I also own a 2012 Gold wing, Yamaha G-Star 950, Honda CRF450RL, and Honda CRF250F. I have ridden the 230 more than any of the others last two years. I am 6'2" and 180#.
Easiest bike in the world to ride. It is just fun.
Correction: Yamaha G-Star 950
LOL spell correction keeps getting me. V V V Star!
Thanks Yamm this was interesting. Those little 250s what kind of hp and torgoes will they be blasting😂
I have the 230 it has 17 horse power I can clutch wheelie it in 2nd even tho I suck at wheelies. I couldn’t do that on my Honda 250L and I think it had 20 hp.
@@NonBidenary. That sounds like fun! Also thank you for answering my question about the hp. I’m looking for a smaller more affordable supermoto style bike, and that little one looked kinda interesting.
I ride a Ninja 650 and I think the addition of traction control is pretty stupid. I bought it as a beginner/commuter bike, as well as the sporty look/feel, but I was under the assumption when I bought it that it isnt a race bike. It has perfect speed/acceleration for the person who puts comfort first, while also wanting to enjoy the occasional highway pull. The one thing I wish my 2018 had was the LED headlights
I own too and I couldn't agree more with on that and have 2022 model
My guy has a professional podcastmic next to his face, and STILL decided to record his phone/camera audio on the divice itself... *IT TAKES 5 MINUTES JUST TO SET UP!!!!*
It's a quick livestream on my phone for folks, don't stress brotha
@@yammienoob it wouldn't change the fact if I would watch it or not, but yeah as a audiodude and videographer it's mildly infuriating to see this stuff happen. Definitely when you know there is a team working on those videos lmao😅
The KLX230SM? Yeah… it’s my bike(KLX300SM)’s younger autistic brother that doesn’t get talked about very much. The only reason to buy the 230 over the 300 is the available ABS… or you could just I don’t know, die after emergency braking. I love my 300, but I think there isn’t enough of a justification for a 230. They could have just put ABS on the 300 and sold them everywhere. A 140SM would have been a better choice than a 230SM. I ride mine on the highway, and I don’t think that the 230 could keep up with traffic.
Its a wife bike bro, low seat height!
@@geraltofrivia4651 But I don’t have a wife, and every girl I talk to seems to hate me. Besides her… and Lexxi(But she wants to kill me). And I don’t really want to deal with a hers family. And the 300 has an adjustable sussy boi.
(Lexxi is my KLX300SM)
It *is* a step up from KLX150 actually. People in USA really is spoiled with displacement because they don't deal with extra tax that comes in most Asian countries for 250cc and above.
Firstly, I think an off-road bike under 230cc should come with a kickstart even if it has electronic start. Secondly, WTF does HP have do do with traction control? Traction control is based on torque. I understand both torque and HP tend to increase relatively lineally but traction control is not related to HP. Any bike over 200cc can slip out the rear wheel from of a corner if you give it too much so a 650 sport bike with traction control seems perfectly reasonable. You will feel traction control cut in and it is an interesting sensation. Fun stuff too.
It also helps in unexpected low traction conditions that you may have not seen….
Tenere 350 with all the same components
That'd be a killer
I think the 230 sumo will take over with the grom crowd LOL
They are giving people bikes they want lite weight and looks cool. These are for people that want to just ride with a cool looking bike that they have to pay for and can afford. Plus they aint idiots / jerks that wheelie, ride illegally on others property etc..... and dont care about dropping it because mommy and daddy is paying for it.
Not gonna work with my 280lb frame lol 😂
I miss my old 250 Sherpa that's why I think this bike will come in good you got the lightweight flickable if you want throw a pair of knobbies on it beat the crap out of it I know I beat the crap out of my old KLR and that thing just took it
I don’t know how much cobblestone you have in the US. But in Europe it’s very common. And tc helps aaaaalot 😂.
Ok so the DRZ400 and 650 was dropped by Suzuki a few years ago and Royal Enfield have been showing up with a ton of affordable bikes so love or hate it Kawasaki cheap dual sports will sell Suzuki also release the Vstrom 250SX as well. The people buying are I don’t want a Honda Grom but this is a good urban bike that doesn’t suck
The DRZ and DR are still available new in some markets in 2024.
I'm 5'1 with a 29 inch inseam 😅 struggling with a beginner bike pick tbh. Most bikes I'm into are way too tall for me 😬😅
I have the 2021 230 dual sport and it’s plenty fast the first 4 gears are just short which is perfect for off-road. It’s 6th gear is impressive because it’s long but has power all the way through. I can clutch wheelie in 2nd gear and I really suck at wheelies.
The market desperately needs a Japanese, freeway legal 150-175cc bike. It would then be legal for places like the White Rim Road, be lightweight for both riding and transport, and not a lot of money. Dual sports that were street legal used to be available in that cc range, but haven't been for years now. The focus is big stuff with 37" seats.
I"m not sure they can engineer a 175 that will happily do freeway speeds all day. For example my 400 doesn't really like anything over 65. I know they may have had them decades ago, but the speed limit was 55, now some states have 80 mph. I'm not sure a 175 will cut it anymore on the interstate.
Cheers!
Don’t know about other countries but I know that here in Australia we didn’t a road legal version of the 300 platform because it didn’t come as standard with abs or something like that but we are now getting these 230’s, could be the reason why they’re offering it as a sm especially since the drz sm isn’t being sold here anymore
Mr noob have you done any reviews on the Suzuki M109R’s I’d love to see your yammi style of review?
Well, one of my all times favourite bikes to bop around and take trail riding is a XT 225. They don't sell them new in Portugal anymore, and the little kawi seems really similar
I support anything that gets more people riding motorcycles. Kawi isn’t appealing to me but good for them either way.
The 300 SM is a full $1300 more than the 230
Allergies? We call that “Welcome to Austin”
I bought a new dr650 in 2013. Loved that dualsport. Sold it. Regretted it. Looked forever it seems for a dualsport. Only dualsport available for 200 miles was a kawasaki klx230 at Fox motorsports. Bought it. Broke it in well. Good little dualsport. Peppy and truly all you need for riding country roads and off roads. Seat is hideous. I put risers on it which greatly improved it. Happen to be on marketplace. Found a VERY nice 2021 xr650l with Joe rocket riding gear, big gun exhaust. For 5500.00! Had to buy it. Still have klx230. Still love to ride it!! It doesn't have the grunt of the xr650l. But, anyone wanting a economical dualsport. The klx230 is all they truly need. Just my opinion. P.s. it has enough torque to pull hills great without the xr650l over torque wheel spin, get out from under you power! The xr650l will hurt you if your inexperienced. It's huge, very tall. I'm 6ft tall. And on tiptoes. The klx230 perfect to maneuver. I would put it up and over the tw200 any day. It's fuel injection.
Busy counting huge piles of cash so no time to be correct on facts?
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The 230 is stupidly fun 🤪🤪
The KLX 230sm makes sense as a scooter replacement for cities with bad roads
the klx 230 seems like a competitor to those Chinese 230 cc dirtbikes like the Tao Tao and hawk
It makes sense to us short non bald headed/ friend backstabbing kind dawg😊
Any new news or rumours about a Kawasaki Z400RS Retro-Sport? There have been rumours about this new smaller sibling of the Z650RS and Z900RS coming out possibly in 2023?
I really enjoy commuting on my 300sm. Just wish it had a tad more power so I will probably go big bore eventually on it.
Or just get a used DR.Z 400sm.
Actually papa yam, the klx300sm isn't available in some countries for example in the Philippines we don't have it but we do have the non-street legal 300r and the older version of the klx 230. They probably did this for countries like mine
D tracker x?
this motorcycle looks interesting for me, city use, europe perspective
Where is the zx250r 4 cylinder. Here in Asia and Africa this is the hottest bike to own . Plus the z250 . Why you don’t make one video for bikes that exist in other continents? 😫
Can that be a misprint that the Honda is only 100$ more
If it can go 50 mph it's a good daily
Paid by Yamaha, Honda , Suzuki …
The 230 will hooligan just fine I'd have more fun on this than a Honda Grom
I would have given up my 1986 Yamaha FZX750 Fazer years ago if I could have bought a dual sport that I can touch on with my 29 inch inseam. I might have to look at those KLX’s now. Maybe even the KLR.
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A 32.7” seat height is just .4” taller than my cbr1000rr. Short people like me should just get one of those, instead. 😂
I want kawi to make a true supermoto! Dohc, give me just a little more power. The brakes look beefy, wheels are nice, bike is beautiful. Just offer better suspension n better engine.
no revision needed in Japan for 250cc and less bikes. reason becouse often Japanese bikers prefer to stay under 250cc. also insurance is cheaper. also, ppl usually follow speed limits, so it fits really well to Japanese audience. (I live in Japan and I will probably buy this KLX230SM. also because it's the last bike allowed because a new law on emissions is real now)
I'm not 100% sure if this true or not, but I've heard before that car/motorcycle manufacturers have to have an average fuel mileage rating accounting for all models they sell in the US. So introducing 2 230cc models that probably get 65-70 mpgs really helps that number.
Everyday i wish for a more powerful WR
Next year wr 300or 350 will possibly be released
@@travistoor6360 i wish I could agree but thats been a rumor since the WR was discontinued
Great video, as usual. Have you heard any news about the Kawasaki Z 900 with idling issues I have a 2022 and they had to put a new ECU in it but I’m still having issues Kawasaki won’t help me out much at all have you heard of this trend because I know of for five bikes of the same year and model that have the same problems.
You look and sound like idubbbz 😂
ABS is far more important than TCS.
KLR650 with a ninja 650 engine would be literally amazing
Would also finally be able to compete with the T7 from Yamaha just saying
Klx 230 and 300 same vibe is duke 200 and 390
I want a klx230 for a city bike. Looks super fun and cheap to own. I like it over the 300 no coolant system to worry about.
They should make a 450cc sm.. why can’t companies not figure that out.
Here in canada, msrp between the klx300 and the klx230 is almost a $2k difference(quite a lot for my minimum wage ass), im glad they added the 230 for those who want a cheap dual sport, i hope to be getting one as my first bike.
The problem is here in Thailand they don't sell the 300. So it's an air cooled klx230 for like 153k or a liquid cooled CRF300 for 145k. Kind of a no brainer. I went to Kawi to try to buy a 300sm, no can do, only an air cooled POS in this market.
I’m wondering what the major difference is between the 230sm vs 300sm
SWM Ace of Spades why is this not sold in USA?
The 230 super moto does have its real market in ASEAN countries and alike. The KLX 300 is so less popular than CRF300L in many countries. So the 300-class is reigned by Honda while the 230 “air-cooled “ segment is wholeheartedly Kawasaki’s. So adding on a super moto to this segment is rightfully a good move for Kawasaki.
well, have you seen the prizes yanks are paying for honda navi's. ... .
Most entry level motorcycle license in asia is 250cc and under. 300cc would require another license after a year or two.
It's because the new riders have to stay @ 250cc @ 14 yrs old
Been screaming for years that they should make a 450 dual-sport. Or, at least, a 400 dual-sport. I think most people that want a dual sport don't want anything in that 250-300 range anymore. Ideally, I'd want one with a lot of punch, that can easily hit 90-95. Anything less than that and it's just not worth buying, to me.
I was really hoping to hear from kawasaki about the zx-4r by now
well usa is buying honda navi for higher than this bike costs to make so WHY THE F*CK NOT. besides they've done that size klx for a long time anyway.
the 230 will never make sense to me... never, why bother with a sub 250cc 4stroke "street" supermoto... just buy the 300...
I have one very fun bike ride works for me fun around town ect got it for 4900 out door
17 horse is so bad bro, just buy a grom at that point.
THANK YOU
The 230s power was enjoyable in my opinion. I had a 2020 klx230r and itd wheelie through all 6 gears. Definetly lacking a little bit of power but at the same time it had plenty.
Oh cool something for the beginner Euro market
Yamaha makes the ttr230 witch is the closest they have to the klx230
Kawasaki has lost their way.
Makes sense to me, I love mine.
It doesn't make sense
For America
Especially American squid
It makes sense in Asia and EU tho
Why talk about the bike when it’s not in front of you to ride😂 video is useless
This not so new the industry made all kinds of low cube easy riding bikes in 60 and 70s
cant wait untill its old and i can buy one for cheap
I agree with you
Ninja ZX4R 👀👀