Basically the bigger issue is that GImp isn't competitive with Photoshop, while Blender is very competitive with Maya. Thus the industry still uses Photoshop for graphic design and thus "serious people" need to use MacOS or Windows if they want to work with other "serious people" who are not software vegans like myself.
@@JohnnyThund3r I still think it's silly and there isn't a financial push to use other software, Like especially how adobe treats their customers The fact that they charge a cancellation fee should be enough to not use them and they make it hard to cancel is even more bonkers. The moment they got rid of one time license fees , should have been the sign to leave and people that defended them needs to get their cock out of their mouth. It's wild
Autodesk just dropped lilnux support for all their products. I had to go back to windows so I could use Fusion360, which is basically the standard right now for certain kinds of design/engineering work.
It's not Gimp vs. Photoshop, it's Gimp+Krita vs. Photoshop. GIMP for photo manipulation such as removing zits from photos or putting a logo on the side of a building, Krita for digital painting when you need to make a picture from scratch.
Linux is not a program or OS, it's a lifestyle. The reason i avoid is is a demonstration my friend gave me. He has a degree in computer science, and is a computer nerd. Really knows what he's doing. He demonstrated how good it was, really trying to sell me on it, and get another Linux friend. everything crashed. He did a cold boot and it crashed. He got it up and running, but could not get the word processor running. Took him half an hour to get a word document up. That is why i put up with being spied on.
I personally just use macOS, but mainly my iPad. Yes, Apple is also spying on me, but it is less invasive than Microsoft's and I feel like I actually control my devices.
Just a word of advice, don't add new repos to your distro ever. Use snap, flatpak, or just grab an appimage / compile from source and throw it in your /usr/local.
This! One could consider adding PPA to Ubuntu with high caution and remove them actively when unused any more, but regular user shouldn't go even there in ideal case. If you can't build the app from source and maintain it yourself, you probably should wait for someone more skilled to package it for your distro.
I just try to keep the number of repos I use to a minimum. I use (in order of preference) Flatpak, Debian packages, AppImage, and only now because I'm more comfortable with it, compiling from source.
Flatpak provides a few programs that just work for me. Mint 22 OS user. Long time "old" win-dose guy, started with DOS, worked with and trained in UNIX for big telco (mini computers). I'm ready to ditch my dual boot Win 11, might use 11 once a month, too bloated and updates break more than they fix! My opinion.
Adobe software is so clunky and nearly comes across as patronizing these days, as they continue to dumb things down and market to social media “creators.” Photoshop and illustrator are really the only two that don’t have more competent alternatives imo, save for perhaps the substance suite (which can be optional), and even so, they’re clunky. The fact that BMD Resolve/Fusion, Nuke, and Houdini work on Linux is compelling enough for me to consider making my little development Linux setup into a main everyday environment. If only we had CaptureOne :( I’m still not really convinced that Affinity will cut it for me, even though I have a license. Gimp with G’MIC will do things that no other image editor/compositor or anything else is capable of, short of manually doing some programming. But you’re right, it’s no replacement for PS by any stretch of imagination. The funding behind the blender foundation draws a pretty bleak picture to my eyes. Really hope these companies don’t sway the development direction too much but it seems like it’s happening. I still don’t understand why they rolled out a broken asset management system, and actively removed the legacy functions which still worked, meaning that the only option for certain functionality was using old releases. Further, it seems that there’s a lack of understanding with regard to color management, I’ve seen some blender dev forum contributors disgruntled about devs not listening and taking the time to properly implement HDR. In short, the reason it’s only available on Mac is because it’s not properly approached in the first place. ONE GUY is primarily responsible for LuxCore (not its blender integration, mind you), so why can’t a whole team accomplish so rudimentary, what with a whole army of corporate sponsors? Why can’t more companies do things the way SideFX does? I’m fairly certain that a .hip file from the 90s would open up just fine in Houdini. The outdated features are all still there, just buried. They’d surely be under fire if they pushed broken changes. Anyway, enough ranting lol. Anyone can contribute to open source! Learn some stuff, let’s conquer the beast through grassroots understanding and positive change!
@@CathrineMacNielit offers a unique image processing toolset in the form of a GIMP plugin (or, according to the wiki, built into Krita, which I’m not very familiar with). I’d recommend checking it out, but it is generally speaking more of a novelty than something designed to cater to common, practical use cases.
Tldw : linux is not suitable if you need to use the adobe suite or very specific windows softaware. The desktop environment break when you install alternative package manager.
But I have to agree that even though I use Linux Desktop for browsing, gaming, watching videos on Netflix, programming etc I still have my Windows Machine in my office where I have to use Software like Photoshop, Premiere, Affinity Photo for work related things. If I can reduce this in the future it would be great. Affinity for Linux would be a huge improvement already.
I am system agnostic by this point in my life. Most of what I need to do is able to be done on just about anything (except BSD; mostly because it barely supports anything for hardware, it seems.); but generally my Linux installations are relatively problem-free. I think the issue is that people try to go a bit too hard on production systems, and don't realize that you need to sometimes tinker with new software somewhere else. What I do is I have SSDs for primary systems; these are daily driver images that should just be stable. And I have SSDs that I experiment on; where I might rice out a system or just play with unknown software. If I kill an installation that doesn't matter doing something stupid (that I can't fix for some reason), I don't care. My stable system is still safe. I also religiously keep my data isolated and backed up, so if I get seriously bad malware, the impact should be extremely minor.
thank you for this content. I wonder what it is that you do that causes the desktop to "eat itself" (your words) or "break in new and exciting ways" but either that you DON'T do on the server (and so whose absence doesn't cause a crash) or that if you were to do on server that (presumably) doesn't cause it to crash?
I think the server variants have fewer moving parts, and I install much less on them. Generally each server I run does one thing, unlike my desktops which are Swiss Army knives
@@CybersecPat i like to use docker to "containerize" a lot of stuff (which is able to be containerized) and that helps address such issues. One program per container, and one container per program to help address such issues! I like it cause it helps me isolate packages and dependencies so that it runs in that container and thusly contained, won't pollute anything else and won't be polluted by anything else.
I run Ubuntu and Debian on various machines. One machine is a jellybean server, one hosts engineering simulation software, one is used to develop scada etc. I use a Windows machine for work and photography (hobby). The photography software is all linux originals - Darktable, Gimp, Inkscape. So those could be done in Linux. I do most work in Libreoffice. But I don’t have to collaborate in MS Office.
I remember years ago trying ubuntu with kde and one day the de just didnt start. Same happened with a fresh popos install, it just "ate itself" as you've said. Parts of it slowly stopped working, mostly ui as I remember. I've never heard anyone talk about this happening to them, so I figured I did something out of the ordinary there. I'm itching to give linux desktop another go some time soon, but this memory of the system slowly breaking apart still haunts me. What can be done to avoid it? Are some distros more susceptible to it than others? Which package managers/default repos have the widest variety of packages?
Stick to ubuntu or fedora, rock solid popular distros. Don't add custom repo's like PPA's in Ubuntu, they are a noob trap and often end up breaking. Flatpak's are a good way to get up to date GUI software (or snaps on Ubuntu I guess, I prefer flatpak), IMO it's better to get big GUI programs that aren't necessarily related to the OS from flatpaks instead of your distro's default package manager (which to me should be more for core OS-related tooling, separation of church and state know what I mean).
@@tappy8741 PPAs? Why are they a noob trap and how do they break? And yes, it makes sense to me that you might want to separate core os packages from other "day to day" programs.
@@MrQwertyXoid PPA's are an additional repo source that some rando on the internet maintains. Maybe a PPA from a company that packages their own slow-moving standalone software is fine, but 99% of the repo's out there are not that. Things break when the PPA isn't updated when Ubuntu is, different versions of libraries may be expected by software in the ppa vs the core repo, time bomb. PPA's are also not vetted, you're just trusting a rando. Don't get me wrong flatpak's and snaps often aren't packaged by the creator of the program so technically many of them are not trustworthy either, but with those you're at least not letting an untrusted source dick around with your core package manager.
It's always the same issue. Before I played the video I said to myself "Adobe." It's always the same, single issue. TH-cam Creators are locked into Adobe. So we have masses of TH-cam creators saying "I canot use Linux." The things is... there are about 100 videos on Linux saying the same thing "I need Adobe. I need Da Vinci so ... Windows." So we know the specific use case of TH-cam Creators. Serious TH-cam Creators NEED adobe and that means Windows (or Mac.) We GET THAT! But can you content creators not get the common man, who doesNOT need Adobe, the sort who want to do the tasks most people want like 'google' watching videos online, a bit of spreadsheet work, maybe creatng a PDF and putting them in front of an old laptop running a desktop distro and checking how they get on? All we get feedback on is the use case of TH-cam creators. You guys need Adobe. We get it already!!! This is about thr 20th video saying the same thing. But what about everyone else??! Can someone do a series of videos on Linux being used by NON-TH-cam CREATORS??!
It’s not just TH-cam creators. It’s independent publishers or “desktop publishing” and a lot of musicians and music software requires MacOS or Windows, especially if you want to connect real hardware like synths or midi controllers. Graphic designers as well. It just so happens TH-camrs are the place a lot of people communicate, therefore to you they are suddenly a “TH-camr”. That’s just the medium. It’s like saying we are typists and therefore we should be ignored because this conversation is typed out? Most people on TH-cam just use it as a medium of communication while their actual career or art is in the exact subject they are describing Linux having issues with.
@@ghost-user559 I am talking about PRO youtube creators - those that make money! The pros use specialised equipment and software. It's the same thing over and over and over. Linux usage and it's 'ease of use' ends up measured by one standard: Adobe. If someone does not need adobe or very specialised equipment, then, with some other special cases (AutoCAD) then Linux is great! No problems! My technicla support issues have dropped away since dropping Windows. I can put people on Linux and know I am in the clear. I know because I use Linux 100% for work. And my wife. And the mass of local villagers I give Linux to. If Linux was TRULY that hard to use, TRULY so pickey and so dependent on the terminal I would not be using it and those it pass Linux onto would rush back to Windows. They don't. Everyone is looking at the edge cases: The 'Adobe' cases, the AutoCAD cases, the screamin' edge cases. Not Joe Average with his single 5 year old laptop.
@@mokurai8233 Quite. Now where do we find the normies to try Linux with? Where do we go to find how Average Joe with his single 14 inch, 5 year old Celeron laptop handles Mint Linux? Because the problem we have is we only have visibility of the 'special cases' which collapse back to Adobe users.
@@jedipadawan7023 Idk I feel like “Pro Linux TH-cam” is nothing but praise, and a lot of ignoring or downplaying the difficulty for most professionals to switch. I know the larger Linus Tech tips level type TH-camrs are sometimes more harsh, but I think the problem is the exact opposite. All I hear is Linux TH-camrs pretending that it’s magic and it can replace everything and it’s the year of the Linux Desktop every single year lol. Both are “Pro TH-cam”. It’s very rare to hear real and normal people talking about their experiences with Linux, it’s either all love or the opposite. Most people who just want a basic computer absolutely can use Linux, and people who are very into computers can hack it to work with many niche hobbies if they are really familiar with the terminal and open source world. But I don’t really think it’s “Pro TH-camrs” who use Adobe that speak against Linux, they are just the loudest group. A lot of the time it’s just anonymous professionals that have specific hobbies and hardware and software that Linux makes more complicated. Like you said Cad software, or as I said graphic designers, photographers, video editors, writers and publishers, musicians. Adobe and Office are definitely the primary “corporate” reason Desktop Linux gets brought up, that is definitely true. I just think there is way more Linux praise on TH-cam than there is honest criticism and feedback from the larger Linux TH-camrs.
I think like a year ago i used arch for like 4 months straight, and went back a few times but always came crawling back to windows just because of the compatibility of many apps
I tried linux desktop again few days ago to see the state it was in : No proper HDR support, still no proper scaling in most desktop environment (200% or nothing) and very poor gaming performances. Yeah, I'm gonna stick to windows and macos for my desktop. I do enjoy linux desktop on my steam deck though. So it could work well. And it even support HDR with gamescope.
@@CybersecPat Virtualised windows under Linux QEMU/KVM has near bare metal performance when set up correctly, which is one of the main reasons Linux users were using them to play games with intrusive anticheat till they added VM detection into the anticheat. You need to ensure that you have the correct guest drivers installed in the Windows VM. Some Linux users go as far as to use an AMD GPU for their Linux install, and pass through a separate Nvidia GPU to a Windows VM and use something like moonlight for performant remote desktop; so they get the best of both worlds. This setup works very well if you need access to Adobe software, or Microsoft Office. Hell, you can even give the Windows VM (or any VM) its own dedicated NVME drive via pass-through as well. As this removes any potential storage based bottlenecks on the VM
I feel like the same people who claim that desktop Linux is ready for the main stream and everyone should use it are also the same people who will blame you if it doesn't work out for you.
Having been using a linux desktop for over a year, I have yet to encounter a problem with my operating system that an average user would encounter. (Had a class that required the use of both wireshark and packettracer, which are kind of janky on linux, because there are other, native tools to do those tasks.) Outside of Adobe, which there are options out there that can replace most of it's functionality. The average person needs a functional web browser, a reasonable word processor, and a sane UI for traversing the filesystem. And that's about it. Most people don't need any software that doesn't work in a web browser. They've never needed that software. Now, you absolutely do have the case of business oriented software, where most of the software world exists, and in that space, you have a huge shift towards web apps anyways, which are OS-agnostic. and if you don't have a web version, you may well have a linux version that's designed for cloud deployment or for containerized deployments.
My mother has been using Linux for the last 10 years at least with no problem at all. The solution, you may ask? I fix her problems, just like every family has their IT whiz kid who helps out. Main stream users don't handle their own problems on Windows or Mac OS X either, the difference is there might be more problem solvers out there on those platforms. You are not the main stream, you are still the early adopters, and you need to fix your own problems.
tldr i didn't compile from source? idk. your complaints about there being 2 packagemanagers that are the same, but then complaining 1 of them is insecure highlights something no? if you don't like aur/snap/flat then read the docs of the software you are using and your package manager.. you have both a trust and trustless option and complain about the choice you made and that you had a choice. ubuntu is to blame for making anyone think its ok to add a 3rd party repo, but when you do for a driver patch etc its usually just a googleable issue when you're doing an upgrade (on other distros at least) but repos for application software is bizarre
I mean I kind of think it's a skill issue. I've never had my Linux install break because of a bad repo. I've broken my install because I fucked around and found out with kernel modules or I rm -rf'ed too close to the sun. In almost all cases it's been broken due to my own stupidity or ignorance. On your second point, what makes the Windows or MacOS software space any better? On Windows, I still had to trust a stranger when it came to installing and downloading software. I haven't owned a Mac for very long but I've barely used their walled garden app store and still end up going through something like Homebrew or the software website so I suppose if I wanted to stick to what Apple curates for me (or for that matter Microsoft with their Windows Store) then I guess that's supposed to be a better experience, even if the same argument could be made for distro app stores for Linux. On the third point, sure, I guess. I don't really like Adobe as a brand but I'm also not a graphic artist and even if I wanted to be I'm not willing to deal with the stop-gaps that Adobe creates. You do you though.
@@CybersecPat I don't think you do need that much skill though. I think most normies just treat their OS as the screen that gives them the icon for their web browser. In default settings, you have to almost intentionally break your install or at least knowingly put it at some risk when you're tinkering with it. It's not like I haven't broken Windows installs from the same things, Microsoft just happens to give me less options on how to break it. As far as your second point, it would be nice to see a bit more streamlining in the software space and I think the distros are getting there. I also would rather not be limited to their walled garden. I don't get what you mean by all these different app stores. The distros all use their own app repos and *strongly* discourage you from trying to use other ones from other distros (for good reason). You shouldn't be using apt and rpm on the same install (notable exception for distros built around that design). Your third point, I partially agree but since I'd just rather not be findom-ed by Adobe and company, I just don't bother with their tools.
Linux is not very user friendly. What I mean is that you need a little technical know how to use it on personal devices. For an organization, using Linux would be okay since IT support are available always. I'm not saying Windows or MacOS are perfect, but at least things are a bit simplified. To add on top of that, many apps people are using are not available. Example, there is no WhatsApp for Linux natively, only the web app. Yes, the web app works well, but having it independent from any browser might be useful (a small workaround is to install Microsoft Edge, or Chrome which support websites to be installed as apps.) I use Linux a lot, even now on the desktop and I have over 12 years experience, it has come a long way in fact, but there's a little bit left to make it equivalent or even surpass Win & Mac.
I have Davinci resolve and the Affinity suite working flawlessly other then no AAC in Davinci.. but lets be honest here there are MUCH better audio codecs that DO work on Davinci in Linux so I just started using said codecs in my recordings and thats that. And Affinity IMO is SO Much better then Adobe
It's called Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC, does not need TPM and is supported until 2032. No microsoft store and lets you disable telemetry completely (depending on microsoft) via group policy.
Basically the bigger issue is that GImp isn't competitive with Photoshop, while Blender is very competitive with Maya. Thus the industry still uses Photoshop for graphic design and thus "serious people" need to use MacOS or Windows if they want to work with other "serious people" who are not software vegans like myself.
@@JohnnyThund3r I still think it's silly and there isn't a financial push to use other software, Like especially how adobe treats their customers
The fact that they charge a cancellation fee should be enough to not use them and they make it hard to cancel is even more bonkers.
The moment they got rid of one time license fees , should have been the sign to leave and people that defended them needs to get their cock out of their mouth.
It's wild
Autodesk just dropped lilnux support for all their products. I had to go back to windows so I could use Fusion360, which is basically the standard right now for certain kinds of design/engineering work.
It's not Gimp vs. Photoshop, it's Gimp+Krita vs. Photoshop.
GIMP for photo manipulation such as removing zits from photos or putting a logo on the side of a building,
Krita for digital painting when you need to make a picture from scratch.
Gimp just doesn’t have all the selections tool and filters photoshop have (and I’m not counting the ai assisted ones.)
Gimp UI/UX is horrible and they are always offended when you give feedback. Even if it's constructive
Linux is not a program or OS, it's a lifestyle.
The reason i avoid is is a demonstration my friend gave me.
He has a degree in computer science, and is a computer nerd. Really knows what he's doing.
He demonstrated how good it was, really trying to sell me on it, and get another Linux friend.
everything crashed.
He did a cold boot and it crashed.
He got it up and running, but could not get the word processor running.
Took him half an hour to get a word document up.
That is why i put up with being spied on.
I personally just use macOS, but mainly my iPad. Yes, Apple is also spying on me, but it is less invasive than Microsoft's and I feel like I actually control my devices.
Just a word of advice, don't add new repos to your distro ever. Use snap, flatpak, or just grab an appimage / compile from source and throw it in your /usr/local.
This! One could consider adding PPA to Ubuntu with high caution and remove them actively when unused any more, but regular user shouldn't go even there in ideal case. If you can't build the app from source and maintain it yourself, you probably should wait for someone more skilled to package it for your distro.
I just try to keep the number of repos I use to a minimum. I use (in order of preference) Flatpak, Debian packages, AppImage, and only now because I'm more comfortable with it, compiling from source.
Flatpak provides a few programs that just work for me. Mint 22 OS user. Long time "old" win-dose guy, started with DOS, worked with and trained in UNIX for big telco (mini computers). I'm ready to ditch my dual boot Win 11, might use 11 once a month, too bloated and updates break more than they fix! My opinion.
@@Tech_with_Loco Yeah, flatpak is great. Makes it easy to get software in whatever version you need working without breaking your system.
Some software does not work in sandbox
have you perhaps considered NOT using gimp as a replacement for Photoshop but tried Krita instead? What about Davinci Resolve instead of Premiere?
It still is inferior and you will have compatibility issues.
Adobe software is so clunky and nearly comes across as patronizing these days, as they continue to dumb things down and market to social media “creators.” Photoshop and illustrator are really the only two that don’t have more competent alternatives imo, save for perhaps the substance suite (which can be optional), and even so, they’re clunky. The fact that BMD Resolve/Fusion, Nuke, and Houdini work on Linux is compelling enough for me to consider making my little development Linux setup into a main everyday environment. If only we had CaptureOne :(
I’m still not really convinced that Affinity will cut it for me, even though I have a license. Gimp with G’MIC will do things that no other image editor/compositor or anything else is capable of, short of manually doing some programming. But you’re right, it’s no replacement for PS by any stretch of imagination.
The funding behind the blender foundation draws a pretty bleak picture to my eyes. Really hope these companies don’t sway the development direction too much but it seems like it’s happening. I still don’t understand why they rolled out a broken asset management system, and actively removed the legacy functions which still worked, meaning that the only option for certain functionality was using old releases. Further, it seems that there’s a lack of understanding with regard to color management, I’ve seen some blender dev forum contributors disgruntled about devs not listening and taking the time to properly implement HDR. In short, the reason it’s only available on Mac is because it’s not properly approached in the first place. ONE GUY is primarily responsible for LuxCore (not its blender integration, mind you), so why can’t a whole team accomplish so rudimentary, what with a whole army of corporate sponsors? Why can’t more companies do things the way SideFX does? I’m fairly certain that a .hip file from the 90s would open up just fine in Houdini. The outdated features are all still there, just buried. They’d surely be under fire if they pushed broken changes. Anyway, enough ranting lol. Anyone can contribute to open source! Learn some stuff, let’s conquer the beast through grassroots understanding and positive change!
@@jonathaningram8157 I really would say it's interior just because Adobe isn't as compatible with it.
@@brenschaefer what does G'mic do?
@@CathrineMacNielit offers a unique image processing toolset in the form of a GIMP plugin (or, according to the wiki, built into Krita, which I’m not very familiar with). I’d recommend checking it out, but it is generally speaking more of a novelty than something designed to cater to common, practical use cases.
Tldw : linux is not suitable if you need to use the adobe suite or very specific windows softaware. The desktop environment break when you install alternative package manager.
But I have to agree that even though I use Linux Desktop for browsing, gaming, watching videos on Netflix, programming etc I still have my Windows Machine in my office where I have to use Software like Photoshop, Premiere, Affinity Photo for work related things.
If I can reduce this in the future it would be great. Affinity for Linux would be a huge improvement already.
I want to use Linux full time, I love it, but yeah the software situation makes it hard.
The monolithic and robust the Linux kernel is, same amount, but scattered the packages are :)
I am system agnostic by this point in my life. Most of what I need to do is able to be done on just about anything (except BSD; mostly because it barely supports anything for hardware, it seems.); but generally my Linux installations are relatively problem-free. I think the issue is that people try to go a bit too hard on production systems, and don't realize that you need to sometimes tinker with new software somewhere else.
What I do is I have SSDs for primary systems; these are daily driver images that should just be stable. And I have SSDs that I experiment on; where I might rice out a system or just play with unknown software. If I kill an installation that doesn't matter doing something stupid (that I can't fix for some reason), I don't care. My stable system is still safe.
I also religiously keep my data isolated and backed up, so if I get seriously bad malware, the impact should be extremely minor.
thank you for this content. I wonder what it is that you do that causes the desktop to "eat itself" (your words) or "break in new and exciting ways" but either that you DON'T do on the server (and so whose absence doesn't cause a crash) or that if you were to do on server that (presumably) doesn't cause it to crash?
I think the server variants have fewer moving parts, and I install much less on them. Generally each server I run does one thing, unlike my desktops which are Swiss Army knives
@@CybersecPat thank you for these notes of clarification!
@@CybersecPat i like to use docker to "containerize" a lot of stuff (which is able to be containerized) and that helps address such issues. One program per container, and one container per program to help address such issues! I like it cause it helps me isolate packages and dependencies so that it runs in that container and thusly contained, won't pollute anything else and won't be polluted by anything else.
Give it another 12 years bud 🔒
I intend to! I'll always check in on Linux - I want to use it so bad!
@@CybersecPat just use openBSD 🗿🗿🗿🗿
I’m not based enough
@@CybersecPat openBased
Nah, it will be better in 12 years but still not there for most people. I've seen it for years.
I run Ubuntu and Debian on various machines. One machine is a jellybean server, one hosts engineering simulation software, one is used to develop scada etc. I use a Windows machine for work and photography (hobby). The photography software is all linux originals - Darktable, Gimp, Inkscape. So those could be done in Linux. I do most work in Libreoffice. But I don’t have to collaborate in MS Office.
I remember years ago trying ubuntu with kde and one day the de just didnt start. Same happened with a fresh popos install, it just "ate itself" as you've said. Parts of it slowly stopped working, mostly ui as I remember.
I've never heard anyone talk about this happening to them, so I figured I did something out of the ordinary there.
I'm itching to give linux desktop another go some time soon, but this memory of the system slowly breaking apart still haunts me.
What can be done to avoid it? Are some distros more susceptible to it than others? Which package managers/default repos have the widest variety of packages?
Stick to ubuntu or fedora, rock solid popular distros. Don't add custom repo's like PPA's in Ubuntu, they are a noob trap and often end up breaking. Flatpak's are a good way to get up to date GUI software (or snaps on Ubuntu I guess, I prefer flatpak), IMO it's better to get big GUI programs that aren't necessarily related to the OS from flatpaks instead of your distro's default package manager (which to me should be more for core OS-related tooling, separation of church and state know what I mean).
@@tappy8741 PPAs? Why are they a noob trap and how do they break?
And yes, it makes sense to me that you might want to separate core os packages from other "day to day" programs.
@@MrQwertyXoid PPA's are an additional repo source that some rando on the internet maintains. Maybe a PPA from a company that packages their own slow-moving standalone software is fine, but 99% of the repo's out there are not that. Things break when the PPA isn't updated when Ubuntu is, different versions of libraries may be expected by software in the ppa vs the core repo, time bomb. PPA's are also not vetted, you're just trusting a rando. Don't get me wrong flatpak's and snaps often aren't packaged by the creator of the program so technically many of them are not trustworthy either, but with those you're at least not letting an untrusted source dick around with your core package manager.
It's always the same issue. Before I played the video I said to myself "Adobe." It's always the same, single issue.
TH-cam Creators are locked into Adobe. So we have masses of TH-cam creators saying "I canot use Linux."
The things is... there are about 100 videos on Linux saying the same thing "I need Adobe. I need Da Vinci so ... Windows."
So we know the specific use case of TH-cam Creators. Serious TH-cam Creators NEED adobe and that means Windows (or Mac.) We GET THAT!
But can you content creators not get the common man, who doesNOT need Adobe, the sort who want to do the tasks most people want like 'google' watching videos online, a bit of spreadsheet work, maybe creatng a PDF and putting them in front of an old laptop running a desktop distro and checking how they get on?
All we get feedback on is the use case of TH-cam creators. You guys need Adobe. We get it already!!! This is about thr 20th video saying the same thing. But what about everyone else??!
Can someone do a series of videos on Linux being used by NON-TH-cam CREATORS??!
It’s not just TH-cam creators. It’s independent publishers or “desktop publishing” and a lot of musicians and music software requires MacOS or Windows, especially if you want to connect real hardware like synths or midi controllers. Graphic designers as well. It just so happens TH-camrs are the place a lot of people communicate, therefore to you they are suddenly a “TH-camr”. That’s just the medium. It’s like saying we are typists and therefore we should be ignored because this conversation is typed out? Most people on TH-cam just use it as a medium of communication while their actual career or art is in the exact subject they are describing Linux having issues with.
You found TH-cam creators on TH-cam. Imagine my shock lol
@@ghost-user559 I am talking about PRO youtube creators - those that make money!
The pros use specialised equipment and software.
It's the same thing over and over and over. Linux usage and it's 'ease of use' ends up measured by one standard:
Adobe.
If someone does not need adobe or very specialised equipment, then, with some other special cases (AutoCAD) then Linux is great! No problems! My technicla support issues have dropped away since dropping Windows. I can put people on Linux and know I am in the clear.
I know because I use Linux 100% for work. And my wife. And the mass of local villagers I give Linux to.
If Linux was TRULY that hard to use, TRULY so pickey and so dependent on the terminal I would not be using it and those it pass Linux onto would rush back to Windows. They don't.
Everyone is looking at the edge cases: The 'Adobe' cases, the AutoCAD cases, the screamin' edge cases.
Not Joe Average with his single 5 year old laptop.
@@mokurai8233 Quite. Now where do we find the normies to try Linux with? Where do we go to find how Average Joe with his single 14 inch, 5 year old Celeron laptop handles Mint Linux?
Because the problem we have is we only have visibility of the 'special cases' which collapse back to Adobe users.
@@jedipadawan7023 Idk I feel like “Pro Linux TH-cam” is nothing but praise, and a lot of ignoring or downplaying the difficulty for most professionals to switch. I know the larger Linus Tech tips level type TH-camrs are sometimes more harsh, but I think the problem is the exact opposite. All I hear is Linux TH-camrs pretending that it’s magic and it can replace everything and it’s the year of the Linux Desktop every single year lol. Both are “Pro TH-cam”. It’s very rare to hear real and normal people talking about their experiences with Linux, it’s either all love or the opposite. Most people who just want a basic computer absolutely can use Linux, and people who are very into computers can hack it to work with many niche hobbies if they are really familiar with the terminal and open source world. But I don’t really think it’s “Pro TH-camrs” who use Adobe that speak against Linux, they are just the loudest group. A lot of the time it’s just anonymous professionals that have specific hobbies and hardware and software that Linux makes more complicated. Like you said Cad software, or as I said graphic designers, photographers, video editors, writers and publishers, musicians. Adobe and Office are definitely the primary “corporate” reason Desktop Linux gets brought up, that is definitely true. I just think there is way more Linux praise on TH-cam than there is honest criticism and feedback from the larger Linux TH-camrs.
There is a system backup tool, forget l forgot the name atm.
timeshift?
@@firestormjupiter that's it
I think like a year ago i used arch for like 4 months straight, and went back a few times but always came crawling back to windows just because of the compatibility of many apps
I tried linux desktop again few days ago to see the state it was in : No proper HDR support, still no proper scaling in most desktop environment (200% or nothing) and very poor gaming performances. Yeah, I'm gonna stick to windows and macos for my desktop. I do enjoy linux desktop on my steam deck though. So it could work well. And it even support HDR with gamescope.
please don't leave Linux :/
I’ll always use Linux on my servers!
Where did the intro music go?
Forgot to add it lol. Thanks for the heads up
did you try virtualization
I have 3 VM hosts using KVM and about a dozen different Linux vm’s on it. But virtualized Windows doesn’t give me the performance I need
@@CybersecPat Virtualised windows under Linux QEMU/KVM has near bare metal performance when set up correctly, which is one of the main reasons Linux users were using them to play games with intrusive anticheat till they added VM detection into the anticheat. You need to ensure that you have the correct guest drivers installed in the Windows VM. Some Linux users go as far as to use an AMD GPU for their Linux install, and pass through a separate Nvidia GPU to a Windows VM and use something like moonlight for performant remote desktop; so they get the best of both worlds. This setup works very well if you need access to Adobe software, or Microsoft Office. Hell, you can even give the Windows VM (or any VM) its own dedicated NVME drive via pass-through as well. As this removes any potential storage based bottlenecks on the VM
Isn't BSD better for servers?
Ish?
I feel like the same people who claim that desktop Linux is ready for the main stream and everyone should use it are also the same people who will blame you if it doesn't work out for you.
Having been using a linux desktop for over a year, I have yet to encounter a problem with my operating system that an average user would encounter. (Had a class that required the use of both wireshark and packettracer, which are kind of janky on linux, because there are other, native tools to do those tasks.) Outside of Adobe, which there are options out there that can replace most of it's functionality. The average person needs a functional web browser, a reasonable word processor, and a sane UI for traversing the filesystem. And that's about it. Most people don't need any software that doesn't work in a web browser. They've never needed that software. Now, you absolutely do have the case of business oriented software, where most of the software world exists, and in that space, you have a huge shift towards web apps anyways, which are OS-agnostic. and if you don't have a web version, you may well have a linux version that's designed for cloud deployment or for containerized deployments.
Well, if you use Adobe software then yes it is your fault. Don't try and switch if the known blocker you are using is a deal breaker.
My mother has been using Linux for the last 10 years at least with no problem at all. The solution, you may ask? I fix her problems, just like every family has their IT whiz kid who helps out. Main stream users don't handle their own problems on Windows or Mac OS X either, the difference is there might be more problem solvers out there on those platforms. You are not the main stream, you are still the early adopters, and you need to fix your own problems.
I'm using yay, don't use pacman and don't have issues with breaking system. But had same issue on Ubuntu with repos.
tldr i didn't compile from source? idk. your complaints about there being 2 packagemanagers that are the same, but then complaining 1 of them is insecure highlights something no? if you don't like aur/snap/flat then read the docs of the software you are using and your package manager.. you have both a trust and trustless option and complain about the choice you made and that you had a choice. ubuntu is to blame for making anyone think its ok to add a 3rd party repo, but when you do for a driver patch etc its usually just a googleable issue when you're doing an upgrade (on other distros at least) but repos for application software is bizarre
I mean I kind of think it's a skill issue. I've never had my Linux install break because of a bad repo. I've broken my install because I fucked around and found out with kernel modules or I rm -rf'ed too close to the sun. In almost all cases it's been broken due to my own stupidity or ignorance.
On your second point, what makes the Windows or MacOS software space any better? On Windows, I still had to trust a stranger when it came to installing and downloading software. I haven't owned a Mac for very long but I've barely used their walled garden app store and still end up going through something like Homebrew or the software website so I suppose if I wanted to stick to what Apple curates for me (or for that matter Microsoft with their Windows Store) then I guess that's supposed to be a better experience, even if the same argument could be made for distro app stores for Linux.
On the third point, sure, I guess. I don't really like Adobe as a brand but I'm also not a graphic artist and even if I wanted to be I'm not willing to deal with the stop-gaps that Adobe creates. You do you though.
Oh yeah, absolutely is a skill issue. But if you need that level of skill to use it without breaking something, it’ll never see mass adoption.
@@CybersecPat I don't think you do need that much skill though. I think most normies just treat their OS as the screen that gives them the icon for their web browser. In default settings, you have to almost intentionally break your install or at least knowingly put it at some risk when you're tinkering with it. It's not like I haven't broken Windows installs from the same things, Microsoft just happens to give me less options on how to break it.
As far as your second point, it would be nice to see a bit more streamlining in the software space and I think the distros are getting there. I also would rather not be limited to their walled garden. I don't get what you mean by all these different app stores. The distros all use their own app repos and *strongly* discourage you from trying to use other ones from other distros (for good reason). You shouldn't be using apt and rpm on the same install (notable exception for distros built around that design).
Your third point, I partially agree but since I'd just rather not be findom-ed by Adobe and company, I just don't bother with their tools.
12 years of experience and you still have a skill issue? Windows will welcome you
lol I can’t stand Windows. It is actually just as breakable as Linux, Windows is not the answer.
Use distrobox.
Linux is not very user friendly. What I mean is that you need a little technical know how to use it on personal devices. For an organization, using Linux would be okay since IT support are available always. I'm not saying Windows or MacOS are perfect, but at least things are a bit simplified. To add on top of that, many apps people are using are not available. Example, there is no WhatsApp for Linux natively, only the web app. Yes, the web app works well, but having it independent from any browser might be useful (a small workaround is to install Microsoft Edge, or Chrome which support websites to be installed as apps.)
I use Linux a lot, even now on the desktop and I have over 12 years experience, it has come a long way in fact, but there's a little bit left to make it equivalent or even surpass Win & Mac.
I have had windows breaking on me so many more times than linux ever did. That's why I don't use windows and I simply cannot afford a mac.
oh yeah, Windows is fragile as all hell
I have Davinci resolve and the Affinity suite working flawlessly other then no AAC in Davinci.. but lets be honest here there are MUCH better audio codecs that DO work on Davinci in Linux so I just started using said codecs in my recordings and thats that. And Affinity IMO is SO Much better then Adobe
fedora silverblue
This is my favorite distro
i wish windows had a bloatware and telemetry free verision, itd be so cool, also nice shirt
It's called Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC, does not need TPM and is supported until 2032. No microsoft store and lets you disable telemetry completely (depending on microsoft) via group policy.
@@atamax3398 so its like heaven for windows users lol i hope we can buy it soon
there are numerous ways to make windows like that
@@6ch6ris6 yeah i think i saw some script by a yotuber named chris titus that did something like remove stuff that they track
got what a skill issue
Skill issue
accurate lol
GNOME isn't what it used to be...
Win-dose 11 is going the wrong way! MS recall is OK? MS Edge? MS is about sales and control, MS wants to make you "secure", Haaaaaaaaaaaaa!
I honestly think Microsoft doesn’t want to have windows anymore
Shame on you
I am weighed by the bulk of my sins