I have practiced martial arts since I was 15 mainly Korean styles with some boxing, Muay Thai and some jujitsu. Been in several fights and brawls with multiple opponents over the years and was badly hurt in some of these, eg (fractured cheek, ribs and concussion etc.) Hard lessons to learn. I'm 50 now and still train today and avoid toxic people and violence at all cost.
@@Chris-km3ck unfortunately not, most of the times I been hurt I was outnumbered and couldn't avoid it. I would have if i I could have. I grew up in very violent mining and rugby league town, if you couldn't fight you were really screwed.
Lee Morrison is in a class of his own. His manner of teaching and expectations, makes the huge difference. People should see all his videos to get a clear understanding of his system.
Great video as always! The biggest problem with self defense training, is the lack of pressure testing in most self defense clubs. It’s much easier for a boxer og kickboxer to add some self defense to his training, than for a pure self defense practitioner to get enough pressure testing to make it work. The excuse is usually that most self defense techniques can be deadly or more dangerous than what is allowed in fight sports. I think a great balance between the two, is to do drills with the approach of self defense, add aliveness like you said, and sometimes do actual sparring with a bit more rules.
I don’t disagree but my only comment would be to take the pressure testing and modify it to be street aware and street centric sometimes. Change the environment, the variables, the time limit and the rules. Also have set goals and a game plan in the session.
Can you provide an example of these self defense clubs?...because self defense is a broad term that gets thrown around a lot these days but mean something different.
You said it perfectly and that’s why I’m a huge believer in training BOTH Reality-based Martial Arts (RMA) AND Combat Sports {{{Of course, Every combat sport has ITS OWN Unique set of benefits to add to a RMA fighter’s toolbox 🧰; You just need to know what you’re getting out of it, exactly. For example, freestyle wrestling has much value in street fighting in that •you’re hard to take down, •you’re hard to manhandle when the fight turns into a scramble, plus •if you get put on your back, you’ll automatically fight like hell to get off your back (cuz that’s one of a wrestler’s specialties) But if you chose Brazilian jiu-jitsu (I prefer no-gi jiu-jitsu, but that’s a different conversation) as your preferred combat sport to cross-train in, then you’re going to be adding a whole different set of skills that are applicable to Street Survival. Those benefits include: •being able to submit your attacker with a dozen or a hundred different submissions. That’s it. That’s the ONLY thing that transfers to the street. For those who never trained either of those grappling arts, every grappling art IS NOT CREATED EQUAL. •Jiu-jitsu guys are notorious for being terrible at takedowns (which makes NO sense, because all they have to do is cross-train in BJJ’s parent art, judo, and voila! You have a very well-rounded fighter! The gaping hole in judo is its severely underdeveloped ne waza [ground game], and the gaping hole in jiu-jitsu is the nonexistent takedown game. Both of these arts stand to benefit TREMENDOUSLY from simply cross-training with each other but most of them Don’t and I don’t know 🤷♂️ Why. But THAT is also another conversation entirely.) •Although it is a grappling art, and thus by definition is supposed to make you an expert at manhandling another person, jiu-jitsu does not make you the best at controlling someone. Riding them, sure, but the ‘controlling’ part, the ‘manhandling’ part, is what wrestling is 🤼♂️, and BJJ lacks that kind of power. It’s just because the way to win a match is by submission, not by the pin, so it’s more of a game of “dude’s really good at defending the Rear Naked Choke so I’m going to attack his arm and when he goes to defend that, I will get that opportunity to take his back” and so on. It’s very much a game of chess and it’s a lot of fun. It’s EXCELLENT as a sport because there is SO MUCH TO LEARN. You could learn something like 300 different submissions and you’d still only be scratching the surface. But translating jiu-jitsu into the street fighting toolbox 🧰 is something that you need to be careful with. •jiujitsukas (jiu-jitsu practitioners, aka jiujitieros) are very good at grappling on their backs. To them, the ground is the best thing to have behind you because nobody can come at you from behind. It works for rolling (BJJ’s version of ‘wrestling’), but it’s suicide in a cage fight or street fight. The second you find yourself on your back in a fight, your priority is supposed to be getting the hell OFF YOUR BACK and then you can resume fighting. You won’t have this skill ingrained in you if you do BJJ).}}} You will only learn how to fight with live action training (sparring). You train the skill of punching and the skill of kicking and the skill of wrestling etc by actually doing that in combat sports, and then you go train your RMA to learn techniques to add to your fighting toolbox 🧰. It’s as simple as that. Like Sensei said in this video, it’s important that you have a clear idea of what you’re doing all of this martial arts stuff FOR. The best training plan for someone who has his sights set on being a successful combat sports athlete will be Very Different from the training plan of someone who desires to become a fighter, or a better fighter, so that s/he can walk the streets with his or her head held high, looking 👀 anyone who makes eye contact with them right in the eyes, to let them know • I see you and • I’m not fearful (…then break eye contact or you’ll begin to look and feel like the aggressor who’s looking for trouble. This happened to me and I ended up surrounded by about 10 young men who were DTF. I barely got away with my life. You don’t want to talk and act like you’re looking for a fight, cuz you’ll find one. And you don’t want to look and talk like you’re afraid of violence because you’re actually encouraging bullies to get into your face.) The person who wants to be able to hold his own in a street fight but only trains combat sports, does well, but is also missing out on a different kind of training that will provide him with more skills in his fighting toolbox 🧰 than just combat sports. The person who trains Krav Maga or whatever other RMA, but doesn’t do a combat sport to give him the experience of live action violence, is going to be at a disadvantage in his first street fight in dealing with •the damn adrenaline dump. The rush is so powerful that it’s going to take everything you have to just deal with the emotions you’re feeling and make yourself move, and then you have to punch and kick and bob and weave and stop the takedown etc. on top of that? Dream on. All that to say, if my training and my street/bar fighting experiences have taught me anything, it’s that you need the WHOLE PACKAGE. Don’t let the Reality martial arts people convince you that they never spar because ‘they’ll really hurt someone.” Put them in a cage against a striking sport specialist like a boxer, Thai boxer, or an MMA fighter and tell them they can do whatever they want to end the fight, even kill with their bare hands if they can, and their opponent will not do all of those things you, just the sport he’s trained in (a boxer could only punch you; a Thai boxer would punch, kick, knee, elbow, and slam you in the ground; an MMA fighter would do all of that and Ground ‘n Pound you and/or submit you), and see how successful they are.
@@inirtrini A freestile Wrestler will loose against an equally skilled bjj fighter on the street or anywhere else. Only when they cross train mma, and learn to enhance their grappling with strikes, does it get exciting.
My take is this. Self defense and fighting are two seperate things, and training in combat sports in and of itself isnt necessarily enough. That being said, if you suck at fighting you will suck at self defense. If you think that you are gonna fight off a knife wielding psycho or a dude with a gun and you cant fight then you are delusional. Nothing pressure tests you as much as a boxing gym or a mma gym. Some place where people are actively trying to knock your head off. No where is gonna teach you how to take a punch and keep going better than a combat sport gym. You need more than just that, but having a solid base in a legit martial art is paramount.
I’ve been away from martial arts training for many years now, thinking about taking something up at 61 years old. That said, IMO if you haven’t been punched in the face, kicked in the jewels or knocked down or out, you’re learning to dance. Nothing wrong with learning to dance BUT until you learn how to take a hit, your “self defense” training isn’t helping you. This doesn’t mean you need a “kill or die” dojo…but you need the stressor. IJS
@@tonyjones1560 the stress is necessary… but the stress doesn’t need to come from traditional methods of sparring. It can come from high stress drills. I get more out of someone putting on gloves and really coming at me wild with haymakers, while I’m against a wall, in an explosive manner, than o do from 3 rounds of Muay Thai for example.
@@inside_fighting not to "butt in", but I believe you would be talking about the mental/biochemical components of combat in General and more specifically even sportfighting still being a whole different scenario from that of a random psycho on the street with a knife . Even if someone tries their best to, even at the biochemical level you are not going to perform the same.
Lee Morrison doesn't teach self defence. He teaches how to clinically eliminate a threat. He's taught tier1 UKSF operatives. The pressure testing is brutal. Lee is fucking brutal. watch his videos.
All I can say id when I used to train thirty years ago, JKD, Muy thai, Savate, Filipino arts, Gracie Jujitsu, Catch wrestling, had ring fights, street fights, etc... We also trained foul tactics and it changed everything! Especially in close combat. Groin strikes, gouging, eye pokes, face grabs, fish hooks, grabbing ears, biting, grabbing fingers, grabbing the groin, grabbing objects, weapons, etc...changes fighting. If you aren't good in stand up and or grappling, these foul tactics won't be too much benefit, BUT, if you are already skilled in these areas, foul tactics are game changers. There is a reason they are outlawed in sport combat. I used some of these on the street., Very effective.
Combat sports without specific self-defense training will not make you a self-defense master, but it will make you better than any untrained person. On the other hand, self-defense training without any real sparring or detailed instruction and extensive drilling on striking/grappling technique will likely lead to you breaking down under real pressure. Probably best to do some of both.
I think this is the recipe. In fact, Lee Morrison responded to the accusation that they don’t spar by saying that he and his students crosstrain in combat sports so that they do get some sparring done and do the attribute development part of it.
I can tell a lot of people who made these real fight vids never really been in a lot of fights. The thing is you will do a lot better in a real fight being trained in combat sports than not. This whole concept of real fighting is so different than combat sports doesnt translate is retarded. Its the closest you can get. Peoole who believe urban combatitives are guys who believe in fairy tales. Its no different than the guy who does karate and practices a set up punch being thrown at him. The reason why you need to spar and grapple because you need to get used to distance management and contact. I dont think this dude has not ever really been in real street fights and just scared of a real fight. I dont think you really spar hard either. Sparring soft doesnt prepare you for a fight. You point fight. I really like to know how many fights this dudes really been.
Grade 3 certified under Lee and... one of the best experiences of my life. Great mentor and all techniques are on point with no space for bs and only pressure testing. I wish I could still be in England to study with him!
I'd love to see your take on the Ultimate Self Defence Championships by Martial Arts Journey with other TH-camrs competing. Some of the scenarios opened my eyes to certain blind areas I've not thought about.
Loving the channel. The insecure kid in me wants to find fault in your videos and give in to the crab bucket mentality that infects martial arts… but man, your videos line up so much with much of my own thinking. Great content. Great break downs. I am really loving your channel. Thank you for this great content.
Watch king of the streets, they are athletes practicing some kind of sport at the end of the day even if they gouge eachothers eyes out. I for one think no rules would result in safer MMA
BJJ definitely sucks when on the street against skilled larger opponent. Most stuff though in schools today is not meant for streets in any serious way. So many "escapes" are ineffective if a string person grabs your neck and pins you against a wall etc. Yes it will still work against less skilled punks and knowing what to do if on the ground(last place you ever wanna be on the streets). Violence of action and skills, weight lifting crucial, strength is power and skill everyone in BJJ World tries to Trump with technique. I have so many fights going back to Bosnia and coming to US than being in the military as infantry soldier etc. Streets will chew you up of you don't know them and your surroundings.
Great Video...I'm pretty sure both Lee and myself have been aware of each other a long time...you see us teach a lot similar for Combatives...against the approaching hidden hand/probably stabby thing you will see me teaching the arm drag axe hand to kneck Drive By vecotoring out of there and away from weapon hand. Spearing in to elbows and knees but I prefer plum clinch or single collar tie not assuming you always get side plum krav style which isn't nearly as often like he does
Great video, I love Lee Morrison's methods for self defence. Like you, I'm tired of all the 'that wouldn't work in the cage/ring' comments from 'experts'. Your analysis is spot-on, as I've said before your channel is one of the best, most balanced martial arts channels - here you make one of the most articulate and clear distinctions between combat sports and reality fighting I've seen, every keyboard expert needs to see this video! I say 'one of the most' because Lee's take on sport vs combatives here is also great: th-cam.com/video/Hrzmav4cpF4/w-d-xo.html
@@inside_fighting Yes, you're right, that is him. Some people understandably find it difficult to relate when a huge, tough-looking guy is pulling off these techniques, but I like the way he show's his more average sized students, including women, practicing them effectively too.
Thank you coach. I took Red Dragon karate, Kung fu and judo when I was a teenager until I lost a fight in the locker room. I found out the hard way that choreographed movements and point sparring was useless in a real fight. Furthermore, I quickly realized that learning how to use weapons that I’ll never use was also useless. I’m a retired correctional officer and I started training basic self defense and arrest control techniques from a retired LAPD officer who had 40 years of police experience. He was a Japanese American man named Mr. Robert K. Koga. He used the techniques from his toolbox that were specifically applicable for law enforcement on the street and behind prison walls. I learned more from him than I did in traditional martial arts that were more about the art than street survival. Sadly, Mr. Koga passed away about 15 years ago. He was a good man.
You completely TRUE I am 260lbs, wrestler and H2H combat instructor (KM). I teach for more than 2 decades. And I can tell that self defense and MA are 2 different things, the main concept is based on hits that are prohibited in sports, end of quote. All the "lethal" "dangerous" things are completely forbidden in all MMA. Head butts, kick or grab the balls, eyes touch, twisting of the head, hitting behind the head. Basically pretty much the thing you would learn for decades to do for self defense. Basically self defense has NO head' kicks, even middle kick is very rare, for the simple reason is that it is quite inefficient for street fight. Also in self defense you avoid to give punch in the face and try to target the throat, for simple reasons such as : getting your hand slashed by the teeth, and potential blood contamination to some extent. We would much prefer and put attention to headbutt. When you train properly Self Defense, the notion of stress is very high, no time limit, risk of blood and death is very high. The main notion of H2H combat is that we are training not against 1 attacker, but the risk of multiple attackers with or without weapons... H2H combats teaches to use anything in your environment to defend yourself... MA and MMA Sports are regulated sport, self defense is on the other hand getting as close as possible to "real life scenarios". Nevertheless, original Muay Thai or Lethwei are very lethal in street fight, as they also have limited use of punches and goes for the elbows and knees incl headbutts, calf and low kicks for most parts. Long story short, most self defense clubs do not teach real self defense, I personally teach to paramilitary and security groups, the point is that the commercial aspect of self defense also prevent the people to learn real self defense because they do not want to learn the stress or feel "high level" of pain. Most so called self defense clubs who teaches defense against knives or dangerous weapons are completely delusional, we always tell that the best defense in such cases are to run away directly. You can't win a knife fight unless you has some weapon yourself, it would be delusional to think otherwise, especially if the attacker is jacked and high... For sure, some people would argue that BJJ helps in self defense, which for some parts I also agree (been myself a wrestler) and clearly BJJ practitioners are not afraid of confrontation and close contact compared to most combat sports (except MT clinch). At the end, the main difference between MA Sports and self defense, is the capacity to feel and read the rapid change of attitude and transfer of situation from verbal-body language threats to physical actions. Cheers and keep up
The idea that combat sports suck in self-defense is the ultimate nerd fantasy: "you may be able to beat me up but I can beat you in Street Fighter on Super Nintendo". Video games just like the "streets" are fantasy because nobody can pin down what a 'real fight' is. One cop-out is to refer to situations where no amount of training helps which simply deconstructs the discussion into the real of meaninglessness. The people who have the youth, athletism and drive to practice combat sports with intensity are by far the most capable people on the street. But its' good that self-defense classes like krav maga exist because people won't be young, male and athletic forever or in every case. A lot of people just want to increase their chances of survival by honing their natural responses to simple threats they are likely to encounter. Spending a decade in combat sports is like becoming a doctor and self-defense is like nursing or first aid; ultimately the doctor can do almost everything the nurse can but not the other way around but not everyone can be a doctor.
I was expecting a video like this from you, as if you were reading my thoughts. You are distinguished by all the information you provide. Thank you for your wonderful efforts.
I love your approach to teaching self-defense, and appreciate your constructive criticism of Lee Morrison’s methods. You’re overwhelmingly complimentary, but also make a great point about the importance of keeping your hands up in a disguised way (what Geoff Thompson calls the Fence). I also loved your distinction between martial arts, sport fighting, and self defense. Iain Abernethy teaches a virtually identical model, and you both make the same great point that martial artists too often fail to notice the important difference in objectives and tactics between fighting (consensual violence) and self defense (non consensual violence). Your students are fortunate to have such a knowledgeable, effective, and humble teacher!
Yes because as martial arts writer Daniele Bolelli commented 90% of self defence incidents can be dealt with becoming accustomed to taking a punch to the face, which can be done through combat sports. I train Krav Maga and kapap at my local Israeli martial arts centre and Kudo and BJJ at an MMA club. And to be honest unless you are dealing with a really bad person most of the on the street "bullies" think that a blow to the face will threaten you enough to get their own way. I like what london savate says to people when they ask him about self defence "I'm sorry you live somewhere that is so violent you need to learn savate to defend yourself".
@@inside_fighting As someone who went through combative training with the RAF regiment (I was a regular and later reservist) I partly agree with you. I find that combat sports actually keep you in a high pressure environment longer than a "street fighting" encounter where normally one act of violence responding to the attackers act of violence is enough to see the attacker off.
The kung fu tradition that I belong to breaks non consensual violence into a number of phases. Using the idea of a “bridge” or connection. 1 no bridge before the attack - neither attacker nor defender have contact with each other. 2 duel bridge outside of physical range (1) - the attacker has visual contact with the defender. But the defender is not aware of the attacker. (e.g. the attacker selects and then stalks the target). note the defender can still unknowingly influence the actions of attacker e.g. by having an assertive, comfortable, body posture. 3 duel bridge outside physical range (2) - the attacker and defender are both aware of each other. they cannot physically touch each other They can affect each other by getting the opponent to react or alter their plans. E.g. turn to face the attacker. use of assertive body language, use of voice. 4 duel bridge only one is in physical range. E.g. Counter attack range or long weapon range. 5 duel bridge both in physical range. 6 no bridge after attack - post violence safety checks and injury checks, e.g. run hand over own body then smell to detect blood. Note: Physiological and psychological responses are considered in all phases.
A coclusio I have come to, that Lee Morrison also have adressed, is that the aim of the violence in a self defence situation and a in a combative sport is totally different and thereby the mindset are also very different. Most combat sports aim at beating or wrestling the oponent into submission; by tapping out or ko. However to train for that is not training to destroy the opponents ability to fight. Destruction of the enemy is a military level of violence that has no real place in combat sport. If you are not able to gear up from aiming at submission to aiming at destruction of tge opponent in a life and death situation you might loose quickly. I have had a couple of friends that could not gear up and they found themselves on the loosing side (but by luck alone survived thankfully). If you your whole life have trained to aim for submission it is not likely that that next gear is even on your mind, even less so that you would be able to gear up when needed. Weapons are as everybody knows the big equalizer but if you never train with improvised weapons the idea to reach for something to use as a improvised weapon in the heat of the moment will most likely not cross your mind. Even less so instinctivly behave in anticipation of a improvised or hidden weapon in the hands of your opponent. If you your whole life have hyper focused on only the opponent infront of you in the ring and worked hard to be able to block out the distraction of the crowd you will likely not in self defence situation be hyper aware of everyone around you while facing a threat. And so on an so forth. In short there is a hole part of the toolbox that will be slightly out of reach. Lee Morrison talk about how they train to instantly access the higest gear of violence to then gear down if the situation allows it, instead of gear up gear for gear as the situation escalates. I think that is a much better approach to self defence then the other way around. The old Japanese koryu have a concept of "shinkengata", training under a sharp blade, which I think is very useful. Being attacked with an actual sharp blade makes a world of difference on your responce, both physically, mentaly and emotionally. You fight like you train and when the instincts kick in you'll fall back on your training (hence automation drills). What you know in theory go right out the window. Hence training with the _mindset_ that this is real (and not play) - that sword is f*ing sharp - and we need to act accordingly with the mental _intention_ is very important. Even if that is done while the actual body movement is done slowly and step by step in the begining to get it right. It is much harder (and time consuming) to add the aim, mindset and intention afterwards to build instinctiv responses on top of a excisting combat sport toolbox (that is by it's very nature restricted). Ofc can it be done, but it will be harder. Lee Morrison also talk about combat sports as a form of "back and forth" while a self defence situation is much more one sided, especially if you act preemtivly. I also find this to be true for much of the old japanese bujutsu (war technics) which is alo much more onesided in nature.
Thank you for talking about the flaws in BJJ. So many people thinks it's the be all to end all martial arts. And yet they don't realise the difference between a sport fight and a street fight.
My issue with combat sports, is that there are a lot of knock outs and hits that combat sports fighters can recover swiftly from, but would put a regular person in the hospital, if not maiming them for life. What does this mean? It means standing in front of a judge trying to explain why you put someone in the hospital. Combat sports does not prepare you for this.
That is down to the lawyers for both sides,irrelevant to self defense. All you have to show in court is that you were in imminent danger if assault or had been assaulted and that you used reasonable force to defense yourself eg soccer kicking someone head after you knocked them down just because they pushed you isnt reasonable.
This might be a silly question but try to give me the closest possible answer. Out of the following martial arts which sport one closer to the technical and mentality aspect of Lee Morrisons Urban Combatives ? Boxing, Muay Thai, Sanshou/Sanda, Lethwei, Kudo, KuoShou, NoGi BJJ and Full-Contact Wing Chun (it's like Sanda/Sanshou IN TERMS OF COMPETITIVE RULES but with mostly straight punches) ????????????? Maybe you can PICK 3 ???
Lethwei is the closest.. it’s bareknuckle, involves the most tools, is aggressive in nature and has a destroy mentality… doesn’t stop when you get knocked out even… headbutts, lots of clinch work… much more wild and violent then other cleaner combat sports… If a combat sport encompasses principals of street fighting then lethwei is closest to it.
I always told my clients sparring, fighting, and self defense are 3 DIFFERENT things!! You can be great at sparring, but suck at fighting. You could be great at fighting, but completely suck at self defense.
I have trained Urban Combatives, so I will add to some elements missing in this video. 1. It is not Self Defence it is COUNTER OFFENCE…. 2. There are two skill sets to Violence Management… SOFT SKILLS and HARD SKILLS. Soft skills are about Awareness, Deescalation, Avoidance, Escape, study of Violence and Violent types… Hard skills are about Preemption, Counter offence, DECEPTION (Very important) Adrenaline and Fear Control, Tool development etc. 3. The FENCE (non threatening hand posture) or the hands raised in preparation of Violence is not always with both hands raised. There are various type of FENCES from invisible (hands down) to half (one hand up other down), to a two hand high fence. There is also the verbal fence. The invisible fence is a DECEPTION giving the impression of unpreparedness and Victimhood…. 4. The drills whereby one covers up and is being beaten by one or several class mates is called PAIN INOCULATION DRILLS… there are various…. Especially important for Passive Empaths wracked with fear. One learns to breathe tactically in order to maintain control under pain. It is part of the MINDSET drills. 5. In Combatives MINDSET is 90 percent of the training, 5 percent Tactical strategy and 5 percent Tool sets (which are minimal) 5. Scenario and role play and Stress test are a huge part of the curriculum. The above is just a small part and there are many more layers……
I have to disagree with you on this one. I’m a bit shocked by your take since I usually agree with most of your musings on martial arts. I understand and acknowledge there are benefits to training a self defense style. Especially with the emphasis on awareness of surroundings, and mindset. And from personal experience also know a lot of the combat sports guys dismiss these things entirely. …However unless it is backed by actual combat knowledge aka understanding the fundamentals of striking and grappling then Just training in a “self defense” style is inferior to training a combat sport in the context of self defense. IMO Yes sparring isn’t real full on no holds barred fighting but it is a heck of a lot closer than just drilling or doing semi choreographed techniques on VERY compliant ukes. Especially with a hard roll or hard spar you can really get very close to to experiencing the real thing. I’d say sometimes that line does get blurred, especially in grappling where you are not worried about getting knocked out. Timing and live resistance is key to developing actual efficacy in a real altercation. The amount of benefit someone will get from a self-defense style martial art will be much greater if they already understand how to strike(boxing,Muay Thai etc)and or grapple(bjj,judo,wrestling). Take a purple belt in Jiu Jitsu and give home 6 months of self defense training and he will ten times better off than the guys who’s trained 5 yrs of self defense-do and 6moths of Bjj. This art youre reviewing in the vid reminds me a lot of Krav vids I’ve seen over the years. Lots of drills showcasing a heavy emphasis on forward pressure with one or two poorly performed kickboxing techniques and even worse grappling. I’m not saying it’s worse than doing nothing by any means but I think focusing on the core body mechanics/fundamentals of fighting are paramount for reliable/effective unarmed self defense. If you actually see this and manage to read the whole thing, you’re the man and thanks for reading. The TH-cam comment section is cheaper than therapy.
I think combat sports are the only way to learn to fight… i think self defense is the only way to learn the pre fight… Two fundamentally different skills and both necessary for self defense… The more you can gain an edge in the pre fight the better your chances of survival. Combat sports guys completely dismiss this aspect of self defense which is vital to survival. While most self defense and tma dismiss the important of hard sparring
@@inside_fighting I completely agree. I think once you have these two realms established then the conversation shifts to what to prioritize pre fight or actual fight. I think you can make an argument that most of the pre fight techniques are “soft skills” or intellectual knowledge to help you understand how to react/what to expect ect. This can be learned relatively quickly like a 6-8week course or even just from reading a good book or two explaining self denfense tactics I.e. “Meditations in Violence” or “The Gift of Fear”. Of course there’s always more to learn or practice but you get my point However the actual fight skills take years, as you know, to hone and I think with that rational it makes sense to prioritize. Additionally I agree with you about how there is becoming more separation between these actual combat skills and the old martial arts approach of self defense over everything. My dad is an old black belt in karate who was brought up in martial arts at time where they sparred hard and were constantly being taught about awareness of surroundings and a sort of “street defense mindset”. …also The Gracie days of self defense tactics and how to respond to a threat is getting weeded out through popularity of the sport like you mentioned. This is a bummer.. Thanks for the reply man I appreciate it. Keep the good martial arts vibes coming.
I'd rather fight a 9th dan martial artist than a trained ufc fighter. I think people who disagree are either stupid or have never been in an actual fight. @@inside_fighting
I used to train most popular things that u analyze and over the years, i evolved into primarily FMA/Silat for all the reasons youve stated here and a plethora of others. Im on a shprt visit in Philippines 🇵🇭 for a long overdue reunion.if u ever head to the Memphis Tennessee area . Id luv to add some drilling from your system to my blending of systems i train. Prado kali= Prado blades& pekiti tirsia, some SSBD ,DAS Dagooc Arnis System and from yrs past bits & pieces of JKD lacosta & Penjak Silat ect.. im 56 and recovering from major leg traumatic injuries to knees and ankles from a car crash . So everything is still toned down greatly. Please keep up the great commentary brother
If you're taking suggestions on who to watch, try Bill Wolfe. Canadian military, police, several black belts. But most importantly, he learned the old Pat O'Neill stuff from the First Special Service Force.
You'd say you take up your hands because of fast punches. But these don't need to come to the head. They can also go to the kidney, belly and such. There can also come a fast knee or kick. That's why I personally have my hands around my kidneys. I can move my upper body and lean it or duck or turn it aside and lean my head to move out of the way of a punch to the head. And yes I could even than be hit. I know. Like you could be hit down under your raised hands. I find it just way harder to move your whole body out of the way instead of just the head. So I think it is just a result of experienced hard hits you got within your life where you have your hands. Don't you think @inside_fighting ? Oh and yeah I'm learning, fighting, ... and nowadays teaching ... next march for 30 years and agree with most of your video. So: Good job.
I find it just adorable when folks who have not once in their entire life experienced what actual true fucking violence is, talk about it. Its just fantastic. Its like Seinfeld, but comical.
It's all situational. Punches can work and can not work. Same for kicks. It's about what you are aiming to hit. Wrestling/BJJ/Judo can work as long as you also know not to end up getting smacked.
It is scary. If there is concrete and glass instead of tatami and ropes, if you fall/or are KO'd/thrown down... the After gives nightmares to the ones that felt it. And it happens to the best.
I like the point about not having to do combat fighting to be a street defence guy. I blame Joe Rogan for telling people they need to learn ufc to be street effective. like every scum bag on the street is Jon Jones or something :)
I agree with everything you sald. The problem with the modern approach to martial arts is that they've lost the martial part of the art and in many cases even the art part. Martial arts are called arts because it took years and years of practice to really master them and they were martial because they were combat forms designed to survive during a war. They were "military" close combat techniques. Now they've become sports and a way to make money and brag. Originally, there were no rules, no honor, no mercy, no compassion. You could poke eyes, bite, grab hair, whatever. The art part was the hability to end the fight as shortly and effectively against an opponent (or another trained soldier) and survive as safely as possible. The streets are just the same, no rules, no honor, etc. It's monster against monster, the objective is to survive while defending and protecting yourself and loved ones and get home safely.
Being better at fighting will make you better at self defence. If you are not good at "sport fighting" you will not be as good at self defence. And it is not the same. If you have atrocious self defence but really good sport. Then you will win fights. If you have really good self defence but atrocious sport you will not.v
The case can be made that self defense classes suck for self defense. One is taught techniques that may or may not work, and one teaches those techniques to people with no real fighting experience. They will be lulled into a false sense of security and may get themselves badly injured. I would instead argue that anyone who has done full contact sparring/fights, almost regardless of style, will likely fare better on the streets than a person from a self-defense class that hasn't experienced the shock of getting hit at full force. Two of my friends have fought off five attackers, and they only used boxing to do so. Anyone from a soft self defense class would likely get seriously hurt.
As somone who trained martial Arts for decades if you are not used to street fights and tricks you will not do well unless professional mma fighter. After countless street fights you develop an understanding and instant aggression needed to defeat any opponent or more than one. But again use of deadly force and laws in your state for self defense should be studied as you do not have to engage in fist fights with anyone especially if you are disabled in any way, injured or even perfectly healthy. Know your state laws and obide by them. You will survive and if you did everything correctly be free. Those who start violence choose their faith to end in violence. Aggressor can quickly become no more and by the time they are regretting their decision it's often to late. Be aware of your surroundings and avoid dangerous places. Today seems you can't even go to a store or gas station without being in fear of your life and great bodily injury. Stay safe folks.
How practical is full contact fighting considering it runs on cocane, speed, pain killers and steroids? Take them away and no one is doing what you see on TV. Even in back waters everyone backstage is snorting, drinking or injected something. Whatever it is, is it practical for normal people who will break their fist or leg hitting back? Or enter a wrestle and get strangled by a stronger person?
Good pace of videos loving the content. Lee is a great fighter. Check out Geoff Thompson, the ‘original’ uk self defence guy. Pretty sure he was one of Lee’s teachers.
Self defense involves a lot more clinch than most sport fighting does. You need to use wrestling to gain position, so you can strike the guy. So if you don't have that skill, you won't be good in a real fight. Scenerio based sparring is not even trained in most mma schools. In a real fight, you're not gonna be in a fighting stance when the sucker punch comes flying at ur head.
The biggest thing for me is that people aren't aggressive and vocal enough when attacking during training . Why is that important? because that's what predators do. It doesn't matter about your style.
I remember when I called this soccer mom a bitch while doing realistic situational sparring (yelling, shoving her against the wall to simulate shoving her against her car doo, etc) and she told me to never call her a bitch and she had an emotional breakdown after freezing up and letting me tap her up with punches to the head (just touching her face repeatedly and lightly with the gloves to simulate being overwhelmed). Normies aren't ready for actual training.😊
UC really lean into that. It is something that normal nice people have to get acclimatised to though. I haven't done that kind of pressure training, I can sense from watching videos and knowing myself, that it would freak me right out. You can get used to anything, that's what the training is for.
Thanks for the kind words! I had the pleasure to flank and hit lee on the head for once! :) And about the hands...You want to keep them low for flanking! They never see the flank coming because of tunnelvision. If i'm not planning to flank my hands would be up higher indeed. Like you can see in my videos where I use real life footage of real conflict. I hope it makes sense what I say. Nice video!
the difference between self defense and fighting imo is self defense is having a bag of tricks. Fighting is having actual tools. you can train in these different scenarios to make a person thats half good at all of them. or you can train someone who can take a guillotine wherever whenever, and they will realize the differences in environment because....human senses.
The best part about a combat sports gym is that you are being pressure tested. You have to deal with being punched in the face or choked or taken down, if not at full force then certainly with enough force to feel it. If you are training at a self-defense gym that has more practical real world techniques but which isn't able to train them at force in an unpredictable manner like a sparring match then you are not going to be able to use them well when someone is actually trying to hurt you.
Amen. How is this point still having to be made in 2023? These self defense techniques will absolutely work….for a guy who wrestles boxes kick boxes etc
I too studied BJJ in the late 90s. Still do a couple of times a week. All I do in sparring is let the partner get me in a bad position and I work my way to my feet as quickly as I can. Again, it's to NOT panic on the ground. I also studied boxing as kid. I need to practice as you say more often. Good vid.
Once again you hit the nail on the head . You DEFINITELY want to have a high probability of SERVIVAL in a street confrontation. You speak COMMON SENSE. GREAT WORK 👍. YOU SHOW THE REALISM OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN.
Good stuff! You should check out Carl Cestari next. His stuff can be hard to find. If you search "Clint Sporman Gutterfighting", he has some old videos of Carl.
Self protection, not self defence. As Lee always says, you have to move into the mindset of predator not prey. You don't defend, you protect. Counter-offence. His background is years of working the door, applying his trade to deal with some nasty people. Namaste x
Awesome video, I wholeheartedly agree with what you said. But I have to disagree with the part where a threat cannot come from the bar. Steven Seagal had to beat up the bartender in the infamous scene „Anybody seen Ritchie?“ from the realistic movie „Out for justice“. So this can happen and the movie totally shows how a bar fight goes.
It sounds like what he is preaching is not self-defense so much as self-protection. The difference is self-defense develops a passive mindset, self-protection., develops an active mindset.
I have a foolproof system of how not to get hurt when attacked in bars or clubs, whether by one or multiple attackers, armed or unarmed. It is very simple (but not easy). Don't go to bars and clubs. You're welcome.
One thing… if you notice in the last video he had his hands low, but they were above the height of the aggressors hands. I am not sure, but I think hands above the aggressors are something that Lee advocates. Not necessarily high, but above the aggressor’s hands that you are setting up to strike preemptively.
*_20:15_* *_I Love it that you brought up the difference between a Man that trains forty+ to fifty+ hours a week for sport fighting and the majority of Men that train in their off duty time, usually five+ to ten+ hours in a week. The trollers and the naysayers just Love to get in the comments section of peoples’ channels (like little termites) and talk 💩 about how Martial Arts that are self defense arts are all Bullshido, that they won’t work in a real fight, and that only MMA is real or only BJJ is real, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah._* *_The number of people who can and do train literally from sunrise to sunset are Extremely small. So small, in fact, that they Don’t Have The Time To Be Little Keyboard & Armchair Fighting Experts! Lolz! Moreover, those types of people are training for Sport Fighting, not for Self Defense and Certainly not for Combatives! They’re specifically doing it for >COMPETITION
A lot of things are sadly ego driven and trend driven and it’s hard to get passed it. I’ve noticed anything i compliment anything outside what Joe Rogan says is cool or effective there will be someone posting how i don’t know anything.
*_Indeed! I Completely agree,_* @@inside_fighting! *_They’re Completely ego & herd driven (trend driven) in their arguments, Completely committed to disagreeing, no matter what you try to explain/teach to them, and basically only comment and argue in bad faith! I hate the arguments they always resort to and/or always fall back to, which is asserting that if it isn’t done in the cage, it’s all Bullshido. ~It’s just Stupid! To say it’s an argument that’s comparing apples and oranges doesn’t even accurately convey how dumb they’re arguments are! It’s more like comparing apples to the process of cooking a huge should blade roast with all the accompaniments for dinner! Lolz! Their stupidity ends up really showing! Or more accurately, they’re commitment to their stupidity shows! It pretty quickly becomes like trying to teach a pig how to speak English! It becomes apparent it’s just not worth it! It’s a waste of time for you (the one who actually knows what he’s talking about), and annoying to the pig that just wants to remain committed to wallowing in their own mud._* *_I Love your channel, by the way! Great Stuff! I found your channel because of following where the algorithm was leading me one day because of perusing videos on weapons training, which led to more videos from Silat people, which eventually led to finding Ramsey Dewey, which eventually led to finding you! I don’t always comment, but I’ll start to drop a comment more, even if it’s just a brief “Great Video” or a couple emojis or something, just to further boost the algorithm noticing!_*
In response to the bar scene, I participated in a seminar where we were told to start the drill where we weren't reacting to the aggression till its too late, then repeated the drill where we take a more defensive posture earlier
Great vid! Totally on target. Have you heard of Nick Drossos? Another legit self-defence guy. It's all about training in reality and developing the best muscle memory reactions for the street. This is the biggest problem w/ bjj. It builds the habit of going to the ground. In real self-defence training the exact opposite needs to occur. The ground needs to be avoided like the plague, and gotten up from as quickly as possible if one finds themselves there. All our ground training was built around protecting, doing damage, getting back to our feet as quickly as possible, and hopefully leaving the attacker on the ground. Only one thing I disagree w/. Headbutting. I get it. Powerful, undetectable, but quite risky. If not done right you are headbutting the attacker and yourself.
Headbutts do pose some degree of risk especially if you are taller. I think it’s a good additional tool to have in the arsenal but has to be the right body type vs body type
Im new to your channel. I love your videos so far. I love learning reality/street self defense tactics a little more than training for sport. Salutes fam.
Great channel and discussion. The video of they guy not having his hands up is definitely not something Lee Morrison advocates ,he recommends using the fence when dealing with a possible threat. Geoff Thompsons got a great video of how to use it.
As someone who fought mamy bar room fights, served a ton of time for them, 15 years, and also started training martial arts and boxing quite early, i can honestly say, a trained fighters confidence is often a huge issue for them in these situations. Many the men i have dealt with and fought in and out of the ring or cage over the years, most amazing and skilled, are best in their own environment. Its best to be rounded, even a high situational awareness wont do much when your out classed in that environment. My downfall, and why i did so much time, was also why i won, all except a few, were against multiple people, and they were older, stronger, and had advantages over me, made tge simple mistake of not understanding the environment, i would quickly use anything i could grab, bottles, plates, tables or chairs , and i never talked while they would want to push and bump chests, and i would shrink back, look scared, grab something and wait planning things out, i was young and stupid, i didnt even drink, i just wanted to chase the girls and hangout, BUT i should have been home and resting, so no matter who startwd it, i brought myself there and being 17 , i didnt belong there.
In self defense, your level of violence and aggression must always be more than the person attacking you. Another good thing about training Full contact Martial arts / Self defense is that you will only pull your gun out when its absolutely necessary. Its sometimes also good to put your hand on your side and inform a would be attacker that your are armed. Lots of people gets in trouble for drawing a gun because of fear.
How many real-world street fights have ANY of these so-called experts actually been in? Karate is more or less a choreographed and very controlled tit-for-tat contest sport that is all but useless in a real fight. Give me a seasoned street fighter with basic grappling and boxing skills any day, and you'll see what actually works. Other than that, go peddle your hocus-pocus to kids who want to believe they're tough and think they can accomplish that without actually having to fight. I've personally been in more than a hundred criminal-class fights and do have the scars and arrest records to prove that I know the score. I learned more the two times I conclusively lost, one-on-one, (I got my lower front teeth caved in with several unchecked strikes the first time at age 16 and got taken down with a (sucker) palm strike to the solar plexus and punched until I was completely out the second time when in my mid-20s) than I ever learned via the thousands of dollars I spent taking lessons from who I now classify as self-worshipping bull$hit artists.
Your youtube channel is going to blow up.I have been a youtube Martial arts junkie.For 13 years now.I no what am talking about.You have Dan Wolfman and Ummam fight camp. Commenting on your videos.Says it all.Good shit.keep up the good work!
Thanks brother! I will keep on posting! If it does that’s great but I’m happy with how engaged everyone is and i learn a lot from people here as well so it’s a win already
This was a more interesting video than I expected but I don’t understand how you can make the argument you are making here considering your background. The instincts you are are talking about developing require play fighting that is found in sport martial arts. As someone who has that background I think it’s disingenuous for you to promote pure self defense training as being sufficient. I realize the sports are not everything and you need situational awareness and weapon combatives, but without those thousands of reps against live resisting opponents I doubt you will be able to pull it off under duresss.
I may have no expressed my views properly.. Live fully resistant training is absolutely necessary. If you never experience being attacked hard you will not know how to defend yourself. But this does not require combat sports... this can be done in a situational environment with hard drilling as well. and when you spar combat sports without self defense in mind, you develop a game that might not translate... aka I high kick a lot in sparring and I would never in the street... So if I want to train my sparring for self defense then I remove the sport aspect by limiting the techniques i wouldn't use... and the approach I would take changes.
Uno de los videos mas honestos y sinceros que he visto, desmontando los comentarios de todos los que todavía no entienden que la defensa personal real en la calle no es un deporte de combate. Lee Morrison, Geoff Thompson, Kelly Mccann son referencias en sistemas combativos para la calle. Todos ellos eran artistas marciales que evolucionaron a sistemas puros de autodefensa.
With respect, I think you're dismissive of the sparring argument only because you already have so much combat sport sparring experience that you take it for granted. There will be a HUGE difference in how an experienced boxer will keep cool and keep control of his own body under assault vs someone who has no or just a little of hard sparring experience. Because getting hit hard when you're not used to it is so jarring, and in a self-defense situation you don't have time to be jarred. And of course, there is the coordination under stress. You won't be able to punch someone in a street situation if you've never landed a punch on someone who's actively trying to punch you. I truly think you're taking all that for granted. Sure, good self-defense requires special training and instruction, but when it comes to the combat part, you're only able to make the self-defense-specific stuff work because you already have combat sport training.
You may have misunderstood. I think sparring is great but my mentality has to change when i “spar” for the street in order for it to become a drill… Aka i won’t throw high kicks, i won’t sit at range and play, if it goes to the ground i will force myself up as oppose to armbars etc Everything will be faster and more explosive with a continued pressure mentality… So it’s just different but it’s still alive and hard. I have to change my mindset. The pressure is a major part of training.
Hey man, I really love your work. I'm a Pekiti Tirsia instructor, since I moved to Sweden without a group. Especially that you are highlighting how much cool stuff there is in systems, not just making fun of traditional or unrealistic stuff. Good vibes. If I get to Portugal some time, I'd love to hang out. If you should come to Sweden, feel free to give me heads up.
SCARS has legitimate principles of survival. I wouldn't call it a martial art at all though. Jerry Peterson founded that system and trained Navy Seals with it for awhile. Tim Larkin has taken over those teachings with system/principles called Target Focus Training. If you combine SCARS/TFT with say, combatives such as what Lee teaches, you will be a force to be reckoned with when it comes to survival/defense.
@@alantinoalantonioI got all the DVDs including the ground fighting video of scars. Jerry pettersons and Tim Larkin's motto is if you are the defense you are losing and the best thing to do is shut the brain off the body is useless then.
I have practiced martial arts since I was 15 mainly Korean styles with some boxing, Muay Thai and some jujitsu. Been in several fights and brawls with multiple opponents over the years and was badly hurt in some of these, eg (fractured cheek, ribs and concussion etc.) Hard lessons to learn. I'm 50 now and still train today and avoid toxic people and violence at all cost.
Best fight ever won is one where a punch is never thrown........ walk away if you can........
Congratulations on surviving.
@@DimMak74🤔🙂👍🏽
Sounds like you're training in the wrong system or in the wrong way buddy
@@Chris-km3ck unfortunately not, most of the times I been hurt I was outnumbered and couldn't avoid it. I would have if i I could have. I grew up in very violent mining and rugby league town, if you couldn't fight you were really screwed.
Definitely, one of the better, knowledgeable rants about the difference between sport and self-defense I’ve heard.
Appreciate that very much
@@inside_fightingso what your saying also is mma n bjj are not effective for street altercations?
Lee Morrison is in a class of his own. His manner of teaching and expectations, makes the huge difference. People should see all his videos to get a clear understanding of his system.
Lee Morrison is a legend, I would love to see you do a video on Tony Blauer’s SPEAR System
Great video as always!
The biggest problem with self defense training, is the lack of pressure testing in most self defense clubs. It’s much easier for a boxer og kickboxer to add some self defense to his training, than for a pure self defense practitioner to get enough pressure testing to make it work. The excuse is usually that most self defense techniques can be deadly or more dangerous than what is allowed in fight sports. I think a great balance between the two, is to do drills with the approach of self defense, add aliveness like you said, and sometimes do actual sparring with a bit more rules.
I don’t disagree but my only comment would be to take the pressure testing and modify it to be street aware and street centric sometimes.
Change the environment, the variables, the time limit and the rules.
Also have set goals and a game plan in the session.
Can you provide an example of these self defense clubs?...because self defense is a broad term that gets thrown around a lot these days but mean something different.
You said it perfectly and that’s why I’m a huge believer in training BOTH Reality-based Martial Arts (RMA) AND Combat Sports
{{{Of course, Every combat sport has ITS OWN Unique set of benefits to add to a RMA fighter’s toolbox 🧰;
You just need to know what you’re getting out of it, exactly. For example, freestyle wrestling has much value in street fighting in that
•you’re hard to take down,
•you’re hard to manhandle when the fight turns into a scramble, plus
•if you get put on your back, you’ll automatically fight like hell to get off your back (cuz that’s one of a wrestler’s specialties)
But if you chose Brazilian jiu-jitsu (I prefer no-gi jiu-jitsu, but that’s a different conversation) as your preferred combat sport to cross-train in, then you’re going to be adding a whole different set of skills that are applicable to Street Survival.
Those benefits include:
•being able to submit your attacker with a dozen or a hundred different submissions.
That’s it. That’s the ONLY thing that transfers to the street. For those who never trained either of those grappling arts, every grappling art IS NOT CREATED EQUAL.
•Jiu-jitsu guys are notorious for being terrible at takedowns (which makes NO sense, because all they have to do is cross-train in BJJ’s parent art, judo, and voila! You have a very well-rounded fighter! The gaping hole in judo is its severely underdeveloped ne waza [ground game], and the gaping hole in jiu-jitsu is the nonexistent takedown game. Both of these arts stand to benefit TREMENDOUSLY from simply cross-training with each other but most of them Don’t and I don’t know 🤷♂️ Why. But THAT is also another conversation entirely.)
•Although it is a grappling art, and thus by definition is supposed to make you an expert at manhandling another person, jiu-jitsu does not make you the best at controlling someone. Riding them, sure, but the ‘controlling’ part, the ‘manhandling’ part, is what wrestling is 🤼♂️, and BJJ lacks that kind of power. It’s just because the way to win a match is by submission, not by the pin, so it’s more of a game of “dude’s really good at defending the Rear Naked Choke so I’m going to attack his arm and when he goes to defend that, I will get that opportunity to take his back” and so on. It’s very much a game of chess and it’s a lot of fun. It’s EXCELLENT as a sport because there is SO MUCH TO LEARN. You could learn something like 300 different submissions and you’d still only be scratching the surface. But translating jiu-jitsu into the street fighting toolbox 🧰 is something that you need to be careful with.
•jiujitsukas (jiu-jitsu practitioners, aka jiujitieros) are very good at grappling on their backs. To them, the ground is the best thing to have behind you because nobody can come at you from behind. It works for rolling (BJJ’s version of ‘wrestling’), but it’s suicide in a cage fight or street fight. The second you find yourself on your back in a fight, your priority is supposed to be getting the hell OFF YOUR BACK and then you can resume fighting. You won’t have this skill ingrained in you if you do BJJ).}}}
You will only learn how to fight with live action training (sparring). You train the skill of punching and the skill of kicking and the skill of wrestling etc by actually doing that in combat sports, and then you go train your RMA to learn techniques to add to your fighting toolbox 🧰. It’s as simple as that.
Like Sensei said in this video, it’s important that you have a clear idea of what you’re doing all of this martial arts stuff FOR. The best training plan for someone who has his sights set on being a successful combat sports athlete will be Very Different from the training plan of someone who desires to become a fighter, or a better fighter, so that s/he can walk the streets with his or her head held high, looking 👀 anyone who makes eye contact with them right in the eyes, to let them know
• I see you and
• I’m not fearful
(…then break eye contact or you’ll begin to look and feel like the aggressor who’s looking for trouble. This happened to me and I ended up surrounded by about 10 young men who were DTF. I barely got away with my life. You don’t want to talk and act like you’re looking for a fight, cuz you’ll find one. And you don’t want to look and talk like you’re afraid of violence because you’re actually encouraging bullies to get into your face.)
The person who wants to be able to hold his own in a street fight but only trains combat sports, does well, but is also missing out on a different kind of training that will provide him with more skills in his fighting toolbox 🧰 than just combat sports.
The person who trains Krav Maga or whatever other RMA, but doesn’t do a combat sport to give him the experience of live action violence, is going to be at a disadvantage in his first street fight in dealing with
•the damn adrenaline dump. The rush is so powerful that it’s going to take everything you have to just deal with the emotions you’re feeling and make yourself move, and then you have to punch and kick and bob and weave and stop the takedown etc. on top of that? Dream on.
All that to say, if my training and my street/bar fighting experiences have taught me anything, it’s that you need the WHOLE PACKAGE. Don’t let the Reality martial arts people convince you that they never spar because ‘they’ll really hurt someone.” Put them in a cage against a striking sport specialist like a boxer, Thai boxer, or an MMA fighter and tell them they can do whatever they want to end the fight, even kill with their bare hands if they can, and their opponent will not do all of those things you, just the sport he’s trained in (a boxer could only punch you; a Thai boxer would punch, kick, knee, elbow, and slam you in the ground; an MMA fighter would do all of that and Ground ‘n Pound you and/or submit you), and see how successful they are.
@@inirtrini A freestile Wrestler will loose against an equally skilled bjj fighter on the street or anywhere else.
Only when they cross train mma, and learn to enhance their grappling with strikes, does it get exciting.
One of the reasons I started boxing and mt after martial arts because I wanted to know what it was like get hit.
My take is this. Self defense and fighting are two seperate things, and training in combat sports in and of itself isnt necessarily enough. That being said, if you suck at fighting you will suck at self defense. If you think that you are gonna fight off a knife wielding psycho or a dude with a gun and you cant fight then you are delusional. Nothing pressure tests you as much as a boxing gym or a mma gym. Some place where people are actively trying to knock your head off. No where is gonna teach you how to take a punch and keep going better than a combat sport gym. You need more than just that, but having a solid base in a legit martial art is paramount.
I agree. There’s just certain elements that should be added on to it
I’ve been away from martial arts training for many years now, thinking about taking something up at 61 years old. That said, IMO if you haven’t been punched in the face, kicked in the jewels or knocked down or out, you’re learning to dance. Nothing wrong with learning to dance BUT until you learn how to take a hit, your “self defense” training isn’t helping you. This doesn’t mean you need a “kill or die” dojo…but you need the stressor. IJS
@@tonyjones1560 the stress is necessary… but the stress doesn’t need to come from traditional methods of sparring. It can come from high stress drills. I get more out of someone putting on gloves and really coming at me wild with haymakers, while I’m against a wall, in an explosive manner, than o do from 3 rounds of Muay Thai for example.
@@inside_fighting not to "butt in", but I believe you would be talking about the mental/biochemical components of combat in General and more specifically even sportfighting still being a whole different scenario from that of a random psycho on the street with a knife . Even if someone tries their best to, even at the biochemical level you are not going to perform the same.
Lee Morrison doesn't teach self defence. He teaches how to clinically eliminate a threat. He's taught tier1 UKSF operatives. The pressure testing is brutal. Lee is fucking brutal. watch his videos.
All I can say id when I used to train thirty years ago, JKD, Muy thai, Savate, Filipino arts, Gracie Jujitsu, Catch wrestling, had ring fights, street fights, etc... We also trained foul tactics and it changed everything! Especially in close combat. Groin strikes, gouging, eye pokes, face grabs, fish hooks, grabbing ears, biting, grabbing fingers, grabbing the groin, grabbing objects, weapons, etc...changes fighting. If you aren't good in stand up and or grappling, these foul tactics won't be too much benefit, BUT, if you are already skilled in these areas, foul tactics are game changers. There is a reason they are outlawed in sport combat. I used some of these on the street., Very effective.
The only BJJ black belt on all of the internet who is free of the cultish, hive mind delusions. PROPS to this man.
Combat sports without specific self-defense training will not make you a self-defense master, but it will make you better than any untrained person. On the other hand, self-defense training without any real sparring or detailed instruction and extensive drilling on striking/grappling technique will likely lead to you breaking down under real pressure. Probably best to do some of both.
I think this is the recipe. In fact, Lee Morrison responded to the accusation that they don’t spar by saying that he and his students crosstrain in combat sports so that they do get some sparring done and do the attribute development part of it.
this.
I can tell a lot of people who made these real fight vids never really been in a lot of fights. The thing is you will do a lot better in a real fight being trained in combat sports than not. This whole concept of real fighting is so different than combat sports doesnt translate is retarded. Its the closest you can get. Peoole who believe urban combatitives are guys who believe in fairy tales. Its no different than the guy who does karate and practices a set up punch being thrown at him. The reason why you need to spar and grapple because you need to get used to distance management and contact. I dont think this dude has not ever really been in real street fights and just scared of a real fight. I dont think you really spar hard either. Sparring soft doesnt prepare you for a fight. You point fight. I really like to know how many fights this dudes really been.
Grade 3 certified under Lee and... one of the best experiences of my life. Great mentor and all techniques are on point with no space for bs and only pressure testing. I wish I could still be in England to study with him!
I'd love to see your take on the Ultimate Self Defence Championships by Martial Arts Journey with other TH-camrs competing. Some of the scenarios opened my eyes to certain blind areas I've not thought about.
Unless Ilan does you may went to check out all my breakdowns on them....
Loving the channel. The insecure kid in me wants to find fault in your videos and give in to the crab bucket mentality that infects martial arts… but man, your videos line up so much with much of my own thinking. Great content. Great break downs. I am really loving your channel. Thank you for this great content.
😮 I’m very happy to hear that man! Thanks so much.
Watch king of the streets, they are athletes practicing some kind of sport at the end of the day even if they gouge eachothers eyes out. I for one think no rules would result in safer MMA
Urban Combatives is the BEST
BJJ definitely sucks when on the street against skilled larger opponent.
Most stuff though in schools today is not meant for streets in any serious way.
So many "escapes" are ineffective if a string person grabs your neck and pins you against a wall etc.
Yes it will still work against less skilled punks and knowing what to do if on the ground(last place you ever wanna be on the streets).
Violence of action and skills, weight lifting crucial, strength is power and skill everyone in BJJ World tries to Trump with technique.
I have so many fights going back to Bosnia and coming to US than being in the military as infantry soldier etc.
Streets will chew you up of you don't know them and your surroundings.
Great Video...I'm pretty sure both Lee and myself have been aware of each other a long time...you see us teach a lot similar for Combatives...against the approaching hidden hand/probably stabby thing you will see me teaching the arm drag axe hand to kneck Drive By vecotoring out of there and away from weapon hand. Spearing in to elbows and knees but I prefer plum clinch or single collar tie not assuming you always get side plum krav style which isn't nearly as often like he does
Thanks brother 💪🏼 you definitely have an effective approach to survival
@@inside_fighting look up danthewolfman axe hand drive by you will like it is very important for the quick hidden blade approach
Great video, I love Lee Morrison's methods for self defence. Like you, I'm tired of all the 'that wouldn't work in the cage/ring' comments from 'experts'. Your analysis is spot-on, as I've said before your channel is one of the best, most balanced martial arts channels - here you make one of the most articulate and clear distinctions between combat sports and reality fighting I've seen, every keyboard expert needs to see this video! I say 'one of the most' because Lee's take on sport vs combatives here is also great: th-cam.com/video/Hrzmav4cpF4/w-d-xo.html
UC are amazing! Have you watched UC Netherlands too? One of Lee's students, also amazing.
Yes he’s big and strong looking. He’s the last guy demoing in the video i think
@@inside_fighting Yes, you're right, that is him. Some people understandably find it difficult to relate when a huge, tough-looking guy is pulling off these techniques, but I like the way he show's his more average sized students, including women, practicing them effectively too.
Just found your channel. Good job. Been familiar with Lee for years, he is the real thing for sure.
Thank you coach. I took Red Dragon karate, Kung fu and judo when I was a teenager until I lost a fight in the locker room. I found out the hard way that choreographed movements and point sparring was useless in a real fight. Furthermore, I quickly realized that learning how to use weapons that I’ll never use was also useless. I’m a retired correctional officer and I started training basic self defense and arrest control techniques from a retired LAPD officer who had 40 years of police experience. He was a Japanese American man named Mr. Robert K. Koga. He used the techniques from his toolbox that were specifically applicable for law enforcement on the street and behind prison walls. I learned more from him than I did in traditional martial arts that were more about the art than street survival. Sadly, Mr. Koga passed away about 15 years ago. He was a good man.
You completely TRUE
I am 260lbs, wrestler and H2H combat instructor (KM). I teach for more than 2 decades. And I can tell that self defense and MA are 2 different things, the main concept is based on hits that are prohibited in sports, end of quote.
All the "lethal" "dangerous" things are completely forbidden in all MMA. Head butts, kick or grab the balls, eyes touch, twisting of the head, hitting behind the head. Basically pretty much the thing you would learn for decades to do for self defense.
Basically self defense has NO head' kicks, even middle kick is very rare, for the simple reason is that it is quite inefficient for street fight.
Also in self defense you avoid to give punch in the face and try to target the throat, for simple reasons such as : getting your hand slashed by the teeth, and potential blood contamination to some extent. We would much prefer and put attention to headbutt.
When you train properly Self Defense, the notion of stress is very high, no time limit, risk of blood and death is very high.
The main notion of H2H combat is that we are training not against 1 attacker, but the risk of multiple attackers with or without weapons...
H2H combats teaches to use anything in your environment to defend yourself...
MA and MMA Sports are regulated sport, self defense is on the other hand getting as close as possible to "real life scenarios".
Nevertheless, original Muay Thai or Lethwei are very lethal in street fight, as they also have limited use of punches and goes for the elbows and knees incl headbutts, calf and low kicks for most parts.
Long story short, most self defense clubs do not teach real self defense, I personally teach to paramilitary and security groups, the point is that the commercial aspect of self defense also prevent the people to learn real self defense because they do not want to learn the stress or feel "high level" of pain.
Most so called self defense clubs who teaches defense against knives or dangerous weapons are completely delusional, we always tell that the best defense in such cases are to run away directly. You can't win a knife fight unless you has some weapon yourself, it would be delusional to think otherwise, especially if the attacker is jacked and high...
For sure, some people would argue that BJJ helps in self defense, which for some parts I also agree (been myself a wrestler) and clearly BJJ practitioners are not afraid of confrontation and close contact compared to most combat sports (except MT clinch).
At the end, the main difference between MA Sports and self defense, is the capacity to feel and read the rapid change of attitude and transfer of situation from verbal-body language threats to physical actions.
Cheers and keep up
If you can control, you can kill wrestling adapts well to combat when you know how!
Excellent comments
The idea that combat sports suck in self-defense is the ultimate nerd fantasy: "you may be able to beat me up but I can beat you in Street Fighter on Super Nintendo". Video games just like the "streets" are fantasy because nobody can pin down what a 'real fight' is.
One cop-out is to refer to situations where no amount of training helps which simply deconstructs the discussion into the real of meaninglessness.
The people who have the youth, athletism and drive to practice combat sports with intensity are by far the most capable people on the street. But its' good that self-defense classes like krav maga exist because people won't be young, male and athletic forever or in every case. A lot of people just want to increase their chances of survival by honing their natural responses to simple threats they are likely to encounter.
Spending a decade in combat sports is like becoming a doctor and self-defense is like nursing or first aid; ultimately the doctor can do almost everything the nurse can but not the other way around but not everyone can be a doctor.
I've watched videos when he (Lee) uses "the rhino" cover.
Very cool. I feel it’s a pretty accepted defense for self defense specialization
I was expecting a video like this from you, as if you were reading my thoughts. You are distinguished by all the information you provide. Thank you for your wonderful efforts.
Thank you for the kind comment 🙏🏼
I love your approach to teaching self-defense, and appreciate your constructive criticism of Lee Morrison’s methods. You’re overwhelmingly complimentary, but also make a great point about the importance of keeping your hands up in a disguised way (what Geoff Thompson calls the Fence). I also loved your distinction between martial arts, sport fighting, and self defense. Iain Abernethy teaches a virtually identical model, and you both make the same great point that martial artists too often fail to notice the important difference in objectives and tactics between fighting (consensual violence) and self defense (non consensual violence). Your students are fortunate to have such a knowledgeable, effective, and humble teacher!
Lee Morrison is awesome.
Yes because as martial arts writer Daniele Bolelli commented 90% of self defence incidents can be dealt with becoming accustomed to taking a punch to the face, which can be done through combat sports. I train Krav Maga and kapap at my local Israeli martial arts centre and Kudo and BJJ at an MMA club. And to be honest unless you are dealing with a really bad person most of the on the street "bullies" think that a blow to the face will threaten you enough to get their own way. I like what london savate says to people when they ask him about self defence "I'm sorry you live somewhere that is so violent you need to learn savate to defend yourself".
Yes and no. There are certain elements of fighting that need to be trained and drilled outside the combat sports world.
@@inside_fighting As someone who went through combative training with the RAF regiment (I was a regular and later reservist) I partly agree with you. I find that combat sports actually keep you in a high pressure environment longer than a "street fighting" encounter where normally one act of violence responding to the attackers act of violence is enough to see the attacker off.
Enjoyed the video thanks
You are lucky to have a club around you training Kudo. One of the most complete single arts by far...and they train hard.
Along with Morrison, your channel has become a favorite. Appreciate the objective, constructive points you make. 👊
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The kung fu tradition that I belong to breaks non consensual violence into a number of phases. Using the idea of a “bridge” or connection.
1 no bridge before the attack - neither attacker nor defender have contact with each other.
2 duel bridge outside of physical range (1) - the attacker has visual contact with the defender. But the defender is not aware of the attacker. (e.g. the attacker selects and then stalks the target). note the defender can still unknowingly influence the actions of attacker e.g. by having an assertive, comfortable, body posture.
3 duel bridge outside physical range (2) - the attacker and defender are both aware of each other. they cannot physically touch each other They can affect each other by getting the opponent to react or alter their plans. E.g. turn to face the attacker. use of assertive body language, use of voice.
4 duel bridge only one is in physical range. E.g. Counter attack range or long weapon range.
5 duel bridge both in physical range.
6 no bridge after attack - post violence safety checks and injury checks, e.g. run hand over own body then smell to detect blood.
Note: Physiological and psychological responses are considered in all phases.
A coclusio I have come to, that Lee Morrison also have adressed, is that the aim of the violence in a self defence situation and a in a combative sport is totally different and thereby the mindset are also very different.
Most combat sports aim at beating or wrestling the oponent into submission; by tapping out or ko.
However to train for that is not training to destroy the opponents ability to fight. Destruction of the enemy is a military level of violence that has no real place in combat sport. If you are not able to gear up from aiming at submission to aiming at destruction of tge opponent in a life and death situation you might loose quickly. I have had a couple of friends that could not gear up and they found themselves on the loosing side (but by luck alone survived thankfully).
If you your whole life have trained to aim for submission it is not likely that that next gear is even on your mind, even less so that you would be able to gear up when needed.
Weapons are as everybody knows the big equalizer but if you never train with improvised weapons the idea to reach for something to use as a improvised weapon in the heat of the moment will most likely not cross your mind. Even less so instinctivly behave in anticipation of a improvised or hidden weapon in the hands of your opponent. If you your whole life have hyper focused on only the opponent infront of you in the ring and worked hard to be able to block out the distraction of the crowd you will likely not in self defence situation be hyper aware of everyone around you while facing a threat. And so on an so forth. In short there is a hole part of the toolbox that will be slightly out of reach.
Lee Morrison talk about how they train to instantly access the higest gear of violence to then gear down if the situation allows it, instead of gear up gear for gear as the situation escalates. I think that is a much better approach to self defence then the other way around.
The old Japanese koryu have a concept of "shinkengata", training under a sharp blade, which I think is very useful. Being attacked with an actual sharp blade makes a world of difference on your responce, both physically, mentaly and emotionally.
You fight like you train and when the instincts kick in you'll fall back on your training (hence automation drills). What you know in theory go right out the window. Hence training with the _mindset_ that this is real (and not play) - that sword is f*ing sharp - and we need to act accordingly with the mental _intention_ is very important. Even if that is done while the actual body movement is done slowly and step by step in the begining to get it right. It is much harder (and time consuming) to add the aim, mindset and intention afterwards to build instinctiv responses on top of a excisting combat sport toolbox (that is by it's very nature restricted). Ofc can it be done, but it will be harder.
Lee Morrison also talk about combat sports as a form of "back and forth" while a self defence situation is much more one sided, especially if you act preemtivly. I also find this to be true for much of the old japanese bujutsu (war technics) which is alo much more onesided in nature.
Great tin depth analysis and addition tk the video. Thank you for posting it
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Thank you for talking about the flaws in BJJ. So many people thinks it's the be all to end all martial arts. And yet they don't realise the difference between a sport fight and a street fight.
It is amazing how everyone in the comment section just knows everything..
My issue with combat sports, is that there are a lot of knock outs and hits that combat sports fighters can recover swiftly from, but would put a regular person in the hospital, if not maiming them for life.
What does this mean? It means standing in front of a judge trying to explain why you put someone in the hospital. Combat sports does not prepare you for this.
That is down to the lawyers for both sides,irrelevant to self defense. All you have to show in court is that you were in imminent danger if assault or had been assaulted and that you used reasonable force to defense yourself eg soccer kicking someone head after you knocked them down just because they pushed you isnt reasonable.
This might be a silly question but try to give me the closest possible answer. Out of the following martial arts which sport one closer to the technical and mentality aspect of Lee Morrisons Urban Combatives ? Boxing, Muay Thai, Sanshou/Sanda, Lethwei, Kudo, KuoShou, NoGi BJJ and Full-Contact Wing Chun (it's like Sanda/Sanshou IN TERMS OF COMPETITIVE RULES but with mostly straight punches) ????????????? Maybe you can PICK 3 ???
Lethwei is the closest.. it’s bareknuckle, involves the most tools, is aggressive in nature and has a destroy mentality… doesn’t stop when you get knocked out even… headbutts, lots of clinch work… much more wild and violent then other cleaner combat sports…
If a combat sport encompasses principals of street fighting then lethwei is closest to it.
I always told my clients sparring, fighting, and self defense are 3 DIFFERENT things!!
You can be great at sparring, but suck at fighting. You could be great at fighting, but completely suck at self defense.
I have trained Urban Combatives, so I will add to some elements missing in this video.
1. It is not Self Defence it is COUNTER OFFENCE….
2. There are two skill sets to Violence Management… SOFT SKILLS and HARD SKILLS.
Soft skills are about Awareness, Deescalation, Avoidance, Escape, study of Violence and Violent types…
Hard skills are about Preemption, Counter offence, DECEPTION (Very important) Adrenaline and Fear Control, Tool development etc.
3. The FENCE (non threatening hand posture) or the hands raised in preparation of Violence is not always with both hands raised. There are various type of FENCES from invisible (hands down) to half (one hand up other down), to a two hand high fence. There is also the verbal fence.
The invisible fence is a DECEPTION giving the impression of unpreparedness and Victimhood….
4. The drills whereby one covers up and is being beaten by one or several class mates is called PAIN INOCULATION DRILLS… there are various…. Especially important for Passive Empaths wracked with fear. One learns to breathe tactically in order to maintain control under pain. It is part of the MINDSET drills.
5. In Combatives MINDSET is 90 percent of the training, 5 percent Tactical strategy and 5 percent Tool sets (which are minimal)
5. Scenario and role play and Stress test are a huge part of the curriculum.
The above is just a small part and there are many more layers……
very good video. really love you channel, very intellectual-real approach,
I have to disagree with you on this one.
I’m a bit shocked by your take since I usually agree with most of your musings on martial arts.
I understand and acknowledge there are benefits to training a self defense style. Especially with the emphasis on awareness of surroundings, and mindset. And from personal experience also know a lot of the combat sports guys dismiss these things entirely. …However unless it is backed by actual combat knowledge aka understanding the fundamentals of striking and grappling then Just training in a “self defense” style is inferior to training a combat sport in the context of self defense. IMO
Yes sparring isn’t real full on no holds barred fighting but it is a heck of a lot closer than just drilling or doing semi choreographed techniques on VERY compliant ukes. Especially with a hard roll or hard spar you can really get very close to to experiencing the real thing. I’d say sometimes that line does get blurred, especially in grappling where you are not worried about getting knocked out. Timing and live resistance is key to developing actual efficacy in a real altercation.
The amount of benefit someone will get from a self-defense style martial art will be much greater if they already understand how to strike(boxing,Muay Thai etc)and or grapple(bjj,judo,wrestling). Take a purple belt in Jiu Jitsu and give home 6 months of self defense training and he will ten times better off than the guys who’s trained 5 yrs of self defense-do and 6moths of Bjj.
This art youre reviewing in the vid reminds me a lot of Krav vids I’ve seen over the years. Lots of drills showcasing a heavy emphasis on forward pressure with one or two poorly performed kickboxing techniques and even worse grappling. I’m not saying it’s worse than doing nothing by any means but I think focusing on the core body mechanics/fundamentals of fighting are paramount for reliable/effective unarmed self defense.
If you actually see this and manage to read the whole thing, you’re the man and thanks for reading. The TH-cam comment section is cheaper than therapy.
I think combat sports are the only way to learn to fight… i think self defense is the only way to learn the pre fight…
Two fundamentally different skills and both necessary for self defense…
The more you can gain an edge in the pre fight the better your chances of survival.
Combat sports guys completely dismiss this aspect of self defense which is vital to survival. While most self defense and tma dismiss the important of hard sparring
@@inside_fighting I completely agree.
I think once you have these two realms established then the conversation shifts to what to prioritize pre fight or actual fight.
I think you can make an argument that most of the pre fight techniques are “soft skills” or intellectual knowledge to help you understand how to react/what to expect ect. This can be learned relatively quickly like a 6-8week course or even just from reading a good book or two explaining self denfense tactics I.e. “Meditations in Violence” or “The Gift of Fear”. Of course there’s always more to learn or practice but you get my point
However the actual fight skills take years, as you know, to hone and I think with that rational it makes sense to prioritize.
Additionally I agree with you about how there is becoming more separation between these actual combat skills and the old martial arts approach of self defense over everything. My dad is an old black belt in karate who was brought up in martial arts at time where they sparred hard and were constantly being taught about awareness of surroundings and a sort of “street defense mindset”. …also The Gracie days of self defense tactics and how to respond to a threat is getting weeded out through popularity of the sport like you mentioned. This is a bummer..
Thanks for the reply man I appreciate it. Keep the good martial arts vibes coming.
I'd rather fight a 9th dan martial artist than a trained ufc fighter.
I think people who disagree are either stupid or have never been in an actual fight.
@@inside_fighting
I used to train most popular things that u analyze and over the years, i evolved into primarily FMA/Silat for all the reasons youve stated here and a plethora of others. Im on a shprt visit in Philippines 🇵🇭 for a long overdue reunion.if u ever head to the Memphis Tennessee area . Id luv to add some drilling from your system to my blending of systems i train. Prado kali= Prado blades& pekiti tirsia, some SSBD ,DAS Dagooc Arnis System and from yrs past bits & pieces of JKD lacosta & Penjak Silat ect.. im 56 and recovering from major leg traumatic injuries to knees and ankles from a car crash . So everything is still toned down greatly. Please keep up the great commentary brother
If you're taking suggestions on who to watch, try Bill Wolfe. Canadian military, police, several black belts. But most importantly, he learned the old Pat O'Neill stuff from the First Special Service Force.
In the ring, there is a level of decorum between two competitors. On the streets, fair game.
You'd say you take up your hands because of fast punches. But these don't need to come to the head. They can also go to the kidney, belly and such. There can also come a fast knee or kick. That's why I personally have my hands around my kidneys. I can move my upper body and lean it or duck or turn it aside and lean my head to move out of the way of a punch to the head. And yes I could even than be hit. I know. Like you could be hit down under your raised hands. I find it just way harder to move your whole body out of the way instead of just the head. So I think it is just a result of experienced hard hits you got within your life where you have your hands. Don't you think @inside_fighting ? Oh and yeah I'm learning, fighting, ... and nowadays teaching ... next march for 30 years and agree with most of your video. So: Good job.
Im considering staying with krav maga , I've been doing it for 5 mth or thinking of Goju ryu karate ??? Any thoughts?
I find it just adorable when folks who have not once in their entire life experienced what actual true fucking violence is, talk about it. Its just fantastic. Its like Seinfeld, but comical.
It's all situational. Punches can work and can not work. Same for kicks. It's about what you are aiming to hit. Wrestling/BJJ/Judo can work as long as you also know not to end up getting smacked.
It is scary. If there is concrete and glass instead of tatami and ropes, if you fall/or are KO'd/thrown down... the After gives nightmares to the ones that felt it. And it happens to the best.
I like the point about not having to do combat fighting to be a street defence guy. I blame Joe Rogan for telling people they need to learn ufc to be street effective. like every scum bag on the street is Jon Jones or something :)
The COPING in the comments section by some who signed up for BJJ-MT gyms bc they saw it on tv is hilarious! 😂
Nice overview of Lee M and U.C. Lee's approach is all based on reality. Excellent.
I agree with everything you sald. The problem with the modern approach to martial arts is that they've lost the martial part of the art and in many cases even the art part. Martial arts are called arts because it took years and years of practice to really master them and they were martial because they were combat forms designed to survive during a war. They were "military" close combat techniques. Now they've become sports and a way to make money and brag. Originally, there were no rules, no honor, no mercy, no compassion. You could poke eyes, bite, grab hair, whatever. The art part was the hability to end the fight as shortly and effectively against an opponent (or another trained soldier) and survive as safely as possible. The streets are just the same, no rules, no honor, etc. It's monster against monster, the objective is to survive while defending and protecting yourself and loved ones and get home safely.
Being better at fighting will make you better at self defence. If you are not good at "sport fighting" you will not be as good at self defence.
And it is not the same. If you have atrocious self defence but really good sport. Then you will win fights.
If you have really good self defence but atrocious sport you will not.v
The case can be made that self defense classes suck for self defense. One is taught techniques that may or may not work, and one teaches those techniques to people with no real fighting experience. They will be lulled into a false sense of security and may get themselves badly injured.
I would instead argue that anyone who has done full contact sparring/fights, almost regardless of style, will likely fare better on the streets than a person from a self-defense class that hasn't experienced the shock of getting hit at full force.
Two of my friends have fought off five attackers, and they only used boxing to do so. Anyone from a soft self defense class would likely get seriously hurt.
where do you teach brother? still in Portugal? thanks for the great vid
As somone who trained martial Arts for decades if you are not used to street fights and tricks you will not do well unless professional mma fighter.
After countless street fights you develop an understanding and instant aggression needed to defeat any opponent or more than one.
But again use of deadly force and laws in your state for self defense should be studied as you do not have to engage in fist fights with anyone especially if you are disabled in any way, injured or even perfectly healthy.
Know your state laws and obide by them.
You will survive and if you did everything correctly be free.
Those who start violence choose their faith to end in violence.
Aggressor can quickly become no more and by the time they are regretting their decision it's often to late.
Be aware of your surroundings and avoid dangerous places.
Today seems you can't even go to a store or gas station without being in fear of your life and great bodily injury.
Stay safe folks.
How practical is full contact fighting considering it runs on cocane, speed, pain killers and steroids? Take them away and no one is doing what you see on TV. Even in back waters everyone backstage is snorting, drinking or injected something. Whatever it is, is it practical for normal people who will break their fist or leg hitting back? Or enter a wrestle and get strangled by a stronger person?
Lee Morrisons UC has finally made a street self defense system that works = I have studied several martial arts that simply dont work outside the Dojo
Good pace of videos loving the content.
Lee is a great fighter. Check out Geoff Thompson, the ‘original’ uk self defence guy. Pretty sure he was one of Lee’s teachers.
Geoff stuff is amazing, I've also been to his seminars. Mark Philips is also great with his fightscience channel.
Geoff, Peter Consterdine, and Kelly McCann are Lee's strongest influences.
I’ll definitely check him outs thanks 🙏🏼
Self defense involves a lot more clinch than most sport fighting does. You need to use wrestling to gain position, so you can strike the guy. So if you don't have that skill, you won't be good in a real fight. Scenerio based sparring is not even trained in most mma schools. In a real fight, you're not gonna be in a fighting stance when the sucker punch comes flying at ur head.
The biggest thing for me is that people aren't aggressive and vocal enough when attacking during training . Why is that important? because that's what predators do. It doesn't matter about your style.
I remember when I called this soccer mom a bitch while doing realistic situational sparring (yelling, shoving her against the wall to simulate shoving her against her car doo, etc) and she told me to never call her a bitch and she had an emotional breakdown after freezing up and letting me tap her up with punches to the head (just touching her face repeatedly and lightly with the gloves to simulate being overwhelmed). Normies aren't ready for actual training.😊
UC really lean into that. It is something that normal nice people have to get acclimatised to though. I haven't done that kind of pressure training, I can sense from watching videos and knowing myself, that it would freak me right out. You can get used to anything, that's what the training is for.
Gracie Jiujitsu is a self defense art. Dog Brothers stick fighting.
Thanks for the kind words! I had the pleasure to flank and hit lee on the head for once! :) And about the hands...You want to keep them low for flanking! They never see the flank coming because of tunnelvision. If i'm not planning to flank my hands would be up higher indeed. Like you can see in my videos where I use real life footage of real conflict. I hope it makes sense what I say. Nice video!
the difference between self defense and fighting imo is self defense is having a bag of tricks. Fighting is having actual tools. you can train in these different scenarios to make a person thats half good at all of them. or you can train someone who can take a guillotine wherever whenever, and they will realize the differences in environment because....human senses.
The best part about a combat sports gym is that you are being pressure tested. You have to deal with being punched in the face or choked or taken down, if not at full force then certainly with enough force to feel it. If you are training at a self-defense gym that has more practical real world techniques but which isn't able to train them at force in an unpredictable manner like a sparring match then you are not going to be able to use them well when someone is actually trying to hurt you.
Amen. How is this point still having to be made in 2023? These self defense techniques will absolutely work….for a guy who wrestles boxes kick boxes etc
On the street no ref no rules most times you will be blinde sided. Best way to fight is walk or run from danger if you can, juzt my opinion
I too studied BJJ in the late 90s. Still do a couple of times a week. All I do in sparring is let the partner get me in a bad position and I work my way to my feet as quickly as I can. Again, it's to NOT panic on the ground. I also studied boxing as kid. I need to practice as you say more often. Good vid.
Once again you hit the nail on the head . You DEFINITELY want to have a high probability of SERVIVAL in a street confrontation. You speak COMMON SENSE. GREAT WORK 👍. YOU SHOW THE REALISM OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN.
Good stuff! You should check out Carl Cestari next. His stuff can be hard to find. If you search "Clint Sporman Gutterfighting", he has some old videos of Carl.
I will check him out
Are you from NJ or the Mid-Atlantic area, because I trained Judo with him as a child when I lived in NJ.
Self protection, not self defence. As Lee always says, you have to move into the mindset of predator not prey. You don't defend, you protect. Counter-offence. His background is years of working the door, applying his trade to deal with some nasty people. Namaste x
Awesome video, I wholeheartedly agree with what you said. But I have to disagree with the part where a threat cannot come from the bar. Steven Seagal had to beat up the bartender in the infamous scene „Anybody seen Ritchie?“ from the realistic movie „Out for justice“. So this can happen and the movie totally shows how a bar fight goes.
It sounds like what he is preaching is not self-defense so much as self-protection. The difference is self-defense develops a passive mindset, self-protection., develops an active mindset.
I have a foolproof system of how not to get hurt when attacked in bars or clubs, whether by one or multiple attackers, armed or unarmed.
It is very simple (but not easy).
Don't go to bars and clubs.
You're welcome.
One thing… if you notice in the last video he had his hands low, but they were above the height of the aggressors hands. I am not sure, but I think hands above the aggressors are something that Lee advocates. Not necessarily high, but above the aggressor’s hands that you are setting up to strike preemptively.
I noticed that too but i still feel that the average person has a better chance of protecting their head when their hands are by their face
@@inside_fighting agreed.
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*_I Love it that you brought up the difference between a Man that trains forty+ to fifty+ hours a week for sport fighting and the majority of Men that train in their off duty time, usually five+ to ten+ hours in a week. The trollers and the naysayers just Love to get in the comments section of peoples’ channels (like little termites) and talk 💩 about how Martial Arts that are self defense arts are all Bullshido, that they won’t work in a real fight, and that only MMA is real or only BJJ is real, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah._*
*_The number of people who can and do train literally from sunrise to sunset are Extremely small. So small, in fact, that they Don’t Have The Time To Be Little Keyboard & Armchair Fighting Experts! Lolz! Moreover, those types of people are training for Sport Fighting, not for Self Defense and Certainly not for Combatives! They’re specifically doing it for >COMPETITION
A lot of things are sadly ego driven and trend driven and it’s hard to get passed it. I’ve noticed anything i compliment anything outside what Joe Rogan says is cool or effective there will be someone posting how i don’t know anything.
*_Indeed! I Completely agree,_* @@inside_fighting! *_They’re Completely ego & herd driven (trend driven) in their arguments, Completely committed to disagreeing, no matter what you try to explain/teach to them, and basically only comment and argue in bad faith! I hate the arguments they always resort to and/or always fall back to, which is asserting that if it isn’t done in the cage, it’s all Bullshido. ~It’s just Stupid! To say it’s an argument that’s comparing apples and oranges doesn’t even accurately convey how dumb they’re arguments are! It’s more like comparing apples to the process of cooking a huge should blade roast with all the accompaniments for dinner! Lolz! Their stupidity ends up really showing! Or more accurately, they’re commitment to their stupidity shows! It pretty quickly becomes like trying to teach a pig how to speak English! It becomes apparent it’s just not worth it! It’s a waste of time for you (the one who actually knows what he’s talking about), and annoying to the pig that just wants to remain committed to wallowing in their own mud._*
*_I Love your channel, by the way! Great Stuff! I found your channel because of following where the algorithm was leading me one day because of perusing videos on weapons training, which led to more videos from Silat people, which eventually led to finding Ramsey Dewey, which eventually led to finding you! I don’t always comment, but I’ll start to drop a comment more, even if it’s just a brief “Great Video” or a couple emojis or something, just to further boost the algorithm noticing!_*
In response to the bar scene, I participated in a seminar where we were told to start the drill where we weren't reacting to the aggression till its too late, then repeated the drill where we take a more defensive posture earlier
That certainly makes sense
Great vid! Totally on target. Have you heard of Nick Drossos? Another legit self-defence guy. It's all about training in reality and developing the best muscle memory reactions for the street. This is the biggest problem w/ bjj. It builds the habit of going to the ground. In real self-defence training the exact opposite needs to occur. The ground needs to be avoided like the plague, and gotten up from as quickly as possible if one finds themselves there. All our ground training was built around protecting, doing damage, getting back to our feet as quickly as possible, and hopefully leaving the attacker on the ground. Only one thing I disagree w/. Headbutting. I get it. Powerful, undetectable, but quite risky. If not done right you are headbutting the attacker and yourself.
Headbutts do pose some degree of risk especially if you are taller. I think it’s a good additional tool to have in the arsenal but has to be the right body type vs body type
@@inside_fighting Valid.
biggest problem with mma as well as bjj they don't prepare you for street altercations and that's why they would lose!
Lee Morrison should be held in higher regard than Lee Bruce
We have met the best martial art. Now we have to meet the best self defense system
Everyone has a plan until they get knocked out
Im new to your channel. I love your videos so far. I love learning reality/street self defense tactics a little more than training for sport. Salutes fam.
Thanks so much man. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 glad you found it
Great video, and you have absolutt right.
And isy micke think that sport martial art is the onley thing is working
Great channel and discussion. The video of they guy not having his hands up is definitely not something Lee Morrison advocates ,he recommends using the fence when dealing with a possible threat. Geoff Thompsons got a great video of how to use it.
Lee Morrison has a great understanding of dealing with criminal violence ie artifice
You're right about how being trendy can ruin martial arts. No art is safe when that happens.
As someone who fought mamy bar room fights, served a ton of time for them, 15 years, and also started training martial arts and boxing quite early, i can honestly say, a trained fighters confidence is often a huge issue for them in these situations. Many the men i have dealt with and fought in and out of the ring or cage over the years, most amazing and skilled, are best in their own environment. Its best to be rounded, even a high situational awareness wont do much when your out classed in that environment. My downfall, and why i did so much time, was also why i won, all except a few, were against multiple people, and they were older, stronger, and had advantages over me, made tge simple mistake of not understanding the environment, i would quickly use anything i could grab, bottles, plates, tables or chairs , and i never talked while they would want to push and bump chests, and i would shrink back, look scared, grab something and wait planning things out, i was young and stupid, i didnt even drink, i just wanted to chase the girls and hangout, BUT i should have been home and resting, so no matter who startwd it, i brought myself there and being 17 , i didnt belong there.
In self defense, your level of violence and aggression must always be more than the person attacking you. Another good thing about training Full contact Martial arts / Self defense is that you will only pull your gun out when its absolutely necessary. Its sometimes also good to put your hand on your side and inform a would be attacker that your are armed. Lots of people gets in trouble for drawing a gun because of fear.
How many real-world street fights have ANY of these so-called experts actually been in? Karate is more or less a choreographed and very controlled tit-for-tat contest sport that is all but useless in a real fight. Give me a seasoned street fighter with basic grappling and boxing skills any day, and you'll see what actually works. Other than that, go peddle your hocus-pocus to kids who want to believe they're tough and think they can accomplish that without actually having to fight. I've personally been in more than a hundred criminal-class fights and do have the scars and arrest records to prove that I know the score.
I learned more the two times I conclusively lost, one-on-one, (I got my lower front teeth caved in with several unchecked strikes the first time at age 16 and got taken down with a (sucker) palm strike to the solar plexus and punched until I was completely out the second time when in my mid-20s) than I ever learned via the thousands of dollars I spent taking lessons from who I now classify as self-worshipping bull$hit artists.
LOL agreed, I put my black belt in the trash a long time ago when I woke up from cult hypnosis.
Your youtube channel is going to blow up.I have been a youtube Martial arts junkie.For 13 years now.I no what am talking about.You have Dan Wolfman and Ummam fight camp. Commenting on your videos.Says it all.Good shit.keep up the good work!
Thanks brother! I will keep on posting! If it does that’s great but I’m happy with how engaged everyone is and i learn a lot from people here as well so it’s a win already
This was a more interesting video than I expected but I don’t understand how you can make the argument you are making here considering your background. The instincts you are are talking about developing require play fighting that is found in sport martial arts. As someone who has that background I think it’s disingenuous for you to promote pure self defense training as being sufficient. I realize the sports are not everything and you need situational awareness and weapon combatives, but without those thousands of reps against live resisting opponents I doubt you will be able to pull it off under duresss.
I may have no expressed my views properly.. Live fully resistant training is absolutely necessary. If you never experience being attacked hard you will not know how to defend yourself.
But this does not require combat sports... this can be done in a situational environment with hard drilling as well.
and when you spar combat sports without self defense in mind, you develop a game that might not translate... aka I high kick a lot in sparring and I would never in the street...
So if I want to train my sparring for self defense then I remove the sport aspect by limiting the techniques i wouldn't use... and the approach I would take changes.
You Grok it dude. Well said about focus of training and goals.
Uno de los videos mas honestos y sinceros que he visto, desmontando los comentarios de todos los que todavía no entienden que la defensa personal real en la calle no es un deporte de combate. Lee Morrison, Geoff Thompson, Kelly Mccann son referencias en sistemas combativos para la calle. Todos ellos eran artistas marciales que evolucionaron a sistemas puros de autodefensa.
Flanking 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
With respect, I think you're dismissive of the sparring argument only because you already have so much combat sport sparring experience that you take it for granted.
There will be a HUGE difference in how an experienced boxer will keep cool and keep control of his own body under assault vs someone who has no or just a little of hard sparring experience. Because getting hit hard when you're not used to it is so jarring, and in a self-defense situation you don't have time to be jarred.
And of course, there is the coordination under stress. You won't be able to punch someone in a street situation if you've never landed a punch on someone who's actively trying to punch you.
I truly think you're taking all that for granted. Sure, good self-defense requires special training and instruction, but when it comes to the combat part, you're only able to make the self-defense-specific stuff work because you already have combat sport training.
You may have misunderstood. I think sparring is great but my mentality has to change when i “spar” for the street in order for it to become a drill…
Aka i won’t throw high kicks, i won’t sit at range and play, if it goes to the ground i will force myself up as oppose to armbars etc
Everything will be faster and more explosive with a continued pressure mentality…
So it’s just different but it’s still alive and hard. I have to change my mindset.
The pressure is a major part of training.
nothing this man said was a lie
I totally concur sensei '!. It's ALL about the self defence . Thank you young master . ! I appreciate your sence of reality .
Well said
Hey man, I really love your work. I'm a Pekiti Tirsia instructor, since I moved to Sweden without a group. Especially that you are highlighting how much cool stuff there is in systems, not just making fun of traditional or unrealistic stuff. Good vibes. If I get to Portugal some time, I'd love to hang out. If you should come to Sweden, feel free to give me heads up.
Awesome man! Thank you. Would be great to train together. I love pekiti Tirsia.
Could you do a video on SCARS? Seems like a super odd martial art and I can’t decide if it’s effective or watered down mma like most combatives.
I’ll check it out :)
SCARS has legitimate principles of survival. I wouldn't call it a martial art at all though. Jerry Peterson founded that system and trained Navy Seals with it for awhile. Tim Larkin has taken over those teachings with system/principles called Target Focus Training. If you combine SCARS/TFT with say, combatives such as what Lee teaches, you will be a force to be reckoned with when it comes to survival/defense.
@@alantinoalantonioI got all the DVDs including the ground fighting video of scars. Jerry pettersons and Tim Larkin's motto is if you are the defense you are losing and the best thing to do is shut the brain off the body is useless then.
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