It's not what it's designed for. Wing chun has a definite focus on ambush attacks. Match fights start at a whole different range. I trained wing chun for six years, so I have some understanding of how it works.
My wing chun experience goes back 40 years, that is, I've met a number of wing chun people who are for real fighters. Wing chun isn't the big joke people online make it out to be. But it is true that wing chun will not work well in the ring - even Bruce Lee could barely defeat an amateur boxer back when he was in Hong Kong. For self-defense though, wing chun is very practical.
I think it depends on the style and teacher and focus. Dominick has some great points and every time he discusses it with me i learn something about it
Because WC, like Silat, Krav Maga, Okinawa Karate like Uechi, Goju or Ryuei are for self defense, not for combat. A ring situation is a combat, not a self defense situation.
I think it's only good for super close quarters combat, like when a drunken bar goer puts his hands on you. In this instance I think Aikido or aiki Jujitsu also can work.
The "drunken master" that GSP brought onto TUFF was Jean-Charles Skarbowski. He's an absolute savage and legend in the kickboxing circuit. He was an incredibly durable journeyman for 2 DECADES.
@kurttestruth7757. Absolutely! Most do not know how & get their ass kicked by boxers & other strikers. It is about pressure & control fighting requiring full body power, not limbs.
You put me in a corner and I would choose Wing Chun, if I wanted to drive some1 in a corner I'd choose Wing Chun. Open field I'd take something different
@@EgardWatchesin my experience Eli approaches martial arts correctly. If you only drink out of 1 glass everything will taste the same eventually but if you use different cups for each drink you'll get to enjoy the full flavor of everything.
In order for a Serious Attacker to actually be able to Harm you... they have to get close enough to strike you. As such, no matter what punches or kicks they use... they are still able to be Countered, using Wing Chun. This is especially true, due to WC's advanced Leg-Fencing methods (rarely seen, and only taught in the higher levels of the artform.. which many practitioners never reach). I once was messing around with one of my Private students... trying to see if I could actually land a few high kicks on him. His WC defenses, were already pretty good.. so it was a dangerous game to play... I hop skipped, starting to raise my leg, and starting to launch a kick... but as soon as I had hopped in that close, he instantly threw a low kick towards my Post Legs kneecap! I was very fearful that this kick would have caused considerable damage... even IF he landed it with very little force on it... I stopped my leg mid-air, and swung it horizontally... using my legs shin bone to deflect his kick, just in the nick of time. Right after his leg bounced off of mine... I launched a straight kick towards his head, and gave it a tight little sidewards Hook to the side of his Head, at the very End of the kick. It landed with a satisfying Thud. But the thing is... it could have gone horribly wrong. It was dangerous enough, for the initial Hop Step in... as he could have caught me there. But even then, his kick towards my post-leg, was a fraction of a second from being Hyper-Extended / Broken. Thing is... I only had trained him for about 6 months.. and he still was very Green. When going up against Superior fighters... things take on a whole other level of Potentials and Dangers.
@@johndough8115yadayadayada I did this I beat Godzilla etc. only videos of WC getting battered on TH-cam. When a direct lineage wing chun master gets beaten by a boxer using only ONE hand. It proves 'without a shadow of a doubt' Wing Chun is a scam.
@@dagaffer2269 A Teacher, isnt the same thing as a "Master". Thats like saying your Tennis Coach Teacher, could compete and win the highest level Tournaments. Yes, there are many Bad Wing Chun videos out there. That doesnt mean, that the Art is a scam. There are many Bad Oil Painters, many bad Dancers, many bad Musicians...etc. Heck, there are many bad boxers out there... AND.. most boxers tend to eat like +50 punches in a single ROUND of boxing. If you took the gloves off, most of these guys would be KO'd, in a street fight, in less than 3 punches... and in less than 15 seconds. In fact.. the Reality is... that a boxer would not be able to get within an Arms reach of me. His kneecap would be Destroyed, well before that point... via an Oblique Kick. As much as I dont like to admit to doing it... Due to a fighter being extremely Disrespectful, I dropped him with an Oblique kick. I only used about 15% on that kick. The resulting injury, took a Month for him to fully recover from. Does every WC practitioner have KO / Lethal level Strikes / Kicks? Nope. Why? Because not even WC practitioner, trains their Techniques to Masterclass Levels. I had One of my former private students, train under me for about 6 months. He had never done martial arts in his entire life... and he wasnt exactly an Athlete. Before this point, anyone could have easily Destroyed him, without Any trouble at all. After that 6 month... His defensive abilities, were pretty darn Solid. He once mentioned that his buddies used to play-fight him in the past... but after learning some WC... they couldnt get a hit on him.. and stopped trying, from that point further, because it was no contest. Does that mean, that he was at my level? Does that mean, he could have taken on.. even a good Kickboxer? Likely not. As much as I Tried with all of my efforts, I could not convince him to train Hard enough, inside and outside of classes... to reach a Functional Combat level of Ability. There is a saying "You can lead a Horse to water, but you cant make them drink it". If you tell a dude to hit the sandbag for 20 minutes.. and they CHOOSE to start using less and less effort, after only the first 3 minutes... because they are being Lazy / Conservative... What can you do? Sure, you can observe, and sternly ask for more.. but if they are not fully invested, they will still never be putting in 100%. Nothing close to it. In fact, out of the handful of students I managed to train, I couldnt get ANY of them to train outside of our classes. I could tell they were not training outside, because their skills were not progressing enough... Making the same errors. Struggling with the same things..etc. Which is why I eventually Stopped teaching. I wanted to be able to Pass on what Id learned.. and produce a Superior Fighter... but nobody wanted to work even a Quarter, of how, and at what Intensity.. that I used to train. I used to train between 4 to +8hrs, every single day. I not only trained in WC... but I also cross trained in other Arts methods. I can do Muay Thai / TKD / Northern Shaolin style kicks. Boxing Strikes, And much more... at Pro levels. I typically dont use these methods when I spar / fight... but I can do them effectively. I learned them, to know how best to defeat them.. AND.. because I love All Martial Arts. I also used to do Hardcore Shaolin style Iron Body conditioning, too. You want to know how I trained my Kicks to be so Powerful? I put on a pair of Hard Leather bottomed dress shoes... and oblique kicked the thick tree on my front lawn, for 1hr long sessions. Every kick, as fast, and hard, as possible. The foot would sting on every impact. 4 sets, each 15 minutes of Non Stop kicks. 2 sets from the REAR leg positions, and 2 sets from the short range LEAD leg positions. I did this like every other day, for a solid 3 months (in addition at a Lot of other training each day). I guarantee that most WC students, and teachers... Never train like this, in this modern day and time. However, I took the art Seriously... and trained like the Ancient fighters of the Distant Past... which is why and how I developed my kicks to have Crippling potentials, with only a Fraction of what I was capable of dishing out.
Wing Chun is close combat defense focused, however, it's offensive counters are deadly, and is more based on 1 shot 1 kill..throat shots are common, so my answer to it being included as a style in ufc is big No..not unless you want to increase the body count for ratings..which is evil..balance must be maintained between sport fighting and combat kill fighting.
Xiao Long, if it is using Chinese, is little dragon. It would be pronounced she-aow3 long2. For those that don't know, the numbers at the end denote the tone (Chinese is a tonal language).
If you want to communicate the tones you can use the actual tone over the letter. For example Xiǎo Lóng (小龙）(it helps if you have the Chinese keyboard enabled, because the English keyboard doesn’t allow for the same marks.)
@@girthehuman7853 the Chinese keyboard, at least the pinyin one only types in simplified characters though, right? Is there a way I can get it to show English with the tone markings? And how do I know which letter the tone indicator should go?
@@girthehuman7853 well, I *am* Taiwanese American, so I "should" be able to speak both. Honestly though a lot of my Taiwanese/Chinese American peers cannot really speak Mandarin, there really any need to I guess. Plus my Mandarin was really quite poor; taking four semesters of simplified Chinese in college helped some but I ended up marrying a Chinese woman which did the most to help me Mandarin. But yes, I agree, I think being multi lingual is wonderful and I want my kids to be at least as fluent as I am. I still want to say though that I feel my Mandarin is still really lacking and I follow some intermediate level Chinese teachers on TH-cam to try and learn new words. I do notice that we kind of end up developing our own version of Chinglish at home which does nothing to push oneself further. (This was obvious when listening to my brother speak to my mom at a family dinner last night, but I won't deny I still have to use some English with her sometimes 😅)
When speaking of Bruce Lee, it would be a smart move to first think and remember that he was the reason why martial arts enthusiasm and attendance soared to never before seen levels in the world… Bruce Lee did not say something didn’t work. Bruce Lee said that certain things work for certain people better than others. For that reason, he adopted what worked for him and did not bother with things he discovered did not work for him. Others could choose a different set of skills and they should, as Bruce Lee said. Furthermore, nobody beat the crap of Bruce Lee when he would go back to Hong Kong. That is just such disrespect to the person who singlehandedly put bread on the table for all martial arts teachers, especially the Wing Chun ones.
Weights help with martial arts as a Bajiquan, Baguazhang & multiple other styles, exponent. Old Chinese proverb startes, Chi needs a strong house to reside in. That house is muscle 🤜🫷 Fuck yeah bulk up strike, trees or hard objects. & hit like like the opponent stole from you !
Dont strike Trees, unless you wrap them (or their bark is very thin / smooth). Uneven surfaces, create bone-bumps, which are very painful. Furthermore.. hitting flat hard surfaces is also not advisable. It can grind the knuckles to be Flattened. The Chinese use canvas sand-bags, because the sand conforms to the shape of the knuckles.. but right after that point.. the sand compresses and becomes hard as a rock. This protects the shape of your knuckles, while you are developing their Strength and Density. The use of Dit Da Jow, is also advisable, when training Iron Fist conditioning. While you might know all of that... I posted it for the sake of some Clueless dude, to help prevent him from destroying his knuckles.. trying to hit a thick barked tree. Muscle is good to a certain extent. But superior tendon strength, (as well as various technical methods) can also defeat it. And Too much bulk = Slower movements. But certainly, you want to be in decent shape, with an especially high level of Core strength.
Wing Chun guy seems to not have made the transition from sparring to fighting. He isn't trying to hurt the other guy, but bald bro is trying to hurt him (pathetically I must say).
His record is literally 2-1. He's still an amateur. And he's using streetbeefs as a venue. If this were a sanctioned fight against another trained opponent, it would have been different.
I used to like Izzo's content since I think TMA is practical for self-deference but people aren't testing it or sparring with it. But then things got a bit of the retarded, with the drama in his channel. When people started to Dox because they hated his opinion, Also I stopped taking him seriously When Izzo said the 52 guys were the great dirty boxing. In my mind, I told myself Izzo boxing isn't that great if he thinks the 52 block is great. Since I was raised in the NYC Bronx I know about the 52-block history of losing fights and stealing from Wing Chin into their boxing. But you know what i noticed most cops are into TMA . have muscle they tend to be rush fighters which they close up the gap then tackle you to that grown. like this other TH-cam that's a Cop said "When you in a street situation you don't to know that much, just get in close range"
Not sure where I said 52 blocks is great dirty boxing. But I will say that Lyte Burly is a PHENOMENAL fighter, martial artists, teacher, coach and person. But you do you.
@@IzzoWingChun idk Everyone has there own opinion. Specailly some of 52 block teachers say their art it came from Egypt /Prymids or it vague description where it came from. Or back when I lived in the Bronx I heard Lyte has a record of losing street fights. Also years I have been in Kickboxing/self-defense, 52 Block doesn't look practical at all. Like I think the KFM guys look more practical then them.
I immediately subbed here when Izzo had Ilan here on his channel for that interview and have been following since. It's great to see these two guys chatting about martial arts again.
I used to think Wing Chun was really unique, but to be honest looking at a lot of other Kung Fu styles you start to see that they are a lot the same. Wing Chun will just emphasise some things like close fighting and stance, different hand blocks and training in a drill like Chi Sao.
wing chun is very similar to a whole lot of other southern style "short fist" types of kung fu, chow gar, five ancestors, pak mei, white crane, etc. it exists as a part of an extensive family of martial arts endemic to southern china, many were developed by the hakka peoples who then disseminated idea's to other chinese ethnic groups, these southern styles went on to heavily influence okinawan karate
@@M_K-Bomb hi good wing chun is close body , short strike , hard to find good chun on line . Yik Kam and pin sun are good branches of this fantastic system .
Holy Moly! Been following Izzo for years! So happy you gentlemen got together for your first video collab. This one! I’m super excited!! This is exactly what I would want to watch. Especially in a sport combative sense cause I see it’s potential in the ring. Love this can’t wait to see more like this!
Running is running. I'm 56 I live in UK where the winner is the criminal. I still forget I'm 56 when I'm threatened. I practice kali. Bjj, wrestling, boxing, and tai chi chuan. However my major weapon is self belief. I know I will win. Thinking makes you better because you become more you. BTW I'm strong from bjj, wrestling and animal flow. Not weights.
The end of your video nailed it. I spent a year in a Seattle school basically branched directly from Jame DeMiles. In the end it was an awesome blend of non-classical WC with Boxing undertones [still there]. In other words, conditioning including circuit-type boxing training with all kinds of bags... This was a reality school with outside challenges accepted. You learned quickly what works and all the rest...and how to train properly.
I think the weight lifting thing gets put aside when you see some Bodybuilders with zero Training proclaim that they can beat anyone regardless of training below their weight. I'm not pointing at anyone in particular as it's probably been a thing for awhile. Judokas are some of the buffest dudes I've seen.
It's so satisfying to observe someone with experience have expectations subverted, immediately picking up on someone else's potential. Especially when they have every reason to be jaded. It almost emphasizes their passion by reminding us that on some level, they really want to see others successfully represent what they love so much. Plus I'm not at all afraid to admit how much I enjoyed a legend like Dominick repeating what we've all said about Ilan at some point. Every video has shown me the true value of criticism is in discerning the potential in the lesser as well as the greater.
That’s why I’m not a fan of living in a state like that, you kill an attacker n the guy can sue you or some liberal DA has you prosecuted. Sadly even in Texas they’re doing that ignoring the law.
So cool you had Izzo on here. Ive been watching him since he was sitting in the squad car. He always has unique insites from actually using his art (and strength) to control people for his job. The way he practices is different vs a school that needs to pay the bills and keep enrollment up. If others are game it would be cool to see more people of different styles on the show.
Awesome!!! Whenever people suggest to me that Wing Chun is ineffective, I always tell them to first check-out Dominick Izzo and then we can continue the conversation. I have been training (Kung Fu, Silat and other stuff) for almost 60 years and in my opinion, this guy is the real deal!!!
Another problem is you say wing chun won the day but it didnt because in the second round he changed his style into a brawler & put the guy away quickly which is wot he should of done in the first place which proves that he knew it wasnt working so he just changed it & all the techniques he learned in wing chun went out the window. If your fighting a guy who is not playing your game then you have to change the rules. & thats wot he did here & worked
I see it differently... In the first round he took the stamina and concentration of the other guy....the second round he changed technique because he could now tap out the other guy quickly...this is strategically...with wing chun it could have taken too long because the competition had a time limit.
This dude used to hang with Lenny Sly I think is his name. A TOUGH TALKING AIKIDO GUY. A funny guy in my opinion. “My Aikido is deadly”. Gave me Seagal vibes. Lol I was under Lloyd Irvin in Maryland. But I wasn’t a part of his little cult. He was phenomenal with leg locks.
"first I need to google his school lineage" what a clown. "the reason GSP's kickboxing friend was beating everyone is because he was so relaxed" No, its because he is a phenomenal multiple world tittle holding fighter and these guys were much lower skill level. Again what a clown I cant listen to this guy anymore lol he has no idea what he is talking about
Well the question is why he was a phenomenal fighter and world champion. Part of it is the fact that he could flow and relax… many of the best Thai guys have that style. Sanchai is a perfect example. Also Izzo worked as a cop and also wrestled so he has lots of hands on experience and real world experience which is the most valuable kind of experience you can have. He also very clearly states that if you don’t get rough and have resistance than you won’t be able to fight.
@@inside_fighting Why is he phenomenal? Some of it is genetic and a lot of it is correct training, ring experience and building up fight IQ. Take any world class striker and put them in the ring with those new mma guys and guess what, same result. Being drunk causing him to be relaxed is not why they got beat so easily and we both know it. Being a policeman doesn't automatically make you an expert at striking, and he had several bar fights, ok, that's hardly any fight experience at all. He doesn't pressure test or spar so how is he an expert on application of WC techniques in real fights? Would he do better in streetbeefs than the guy you showed? No one will ever know because he wont risk putting his ideas to the test on camera. The same reason most WC masters wont, it would shatter the illusion and their egos don't like it.
@@driver3899 i don’t think that getting in to a ring is necessary. You can spar hard and pressure test without competing. He wrestled so I’m sure he did a lot of that. He also isn’t walking around saying he can beat up everyone so I’m confused what your point is… he’s acrually critiquing his own system.
@@inside_fighting Yes I agree 100% you don't need to be in a ring but you do need to pressure test in some way, which he is not. Being a wrestler does not make you an expert at striking. I dont have a point other than he doesn't know what he is talking about which is what I pointed out in my comment at the start I would add to it though that he also isn't an expert on reality based applications of WC or cage fighting. Probably why he is all over the place while trying to talk as an authority on those topics.
Interesting points about seeing improvements after taking a break; Huberman did a podcast about the science behind mental reps leading to improvements in physical skills.
Personally, I believe its not so much about taking a physical break... as much as its about learning to have a more Open mind. And Spending more time dedicated to understanding every Detail... and to explore Various Theories / Methods. You see... when you are Learning an Art... you are often merely Following Orders... and then Merely Mastering what you learned. You are often not taking the time to really explore... and think on your own, about these concepts / things. It also takes time for your brain to build a certain level of Awareness. This can be sped up some by Teaching. And even more, from special training methods (like 1hr long Slow Motion forms, where you are forced to pay attention to the smallest of movements / sensations). Since many artists no longer do the Meditation aspect of their arts... they often lack a certain high level awareness that comes from such training methods. Many have also lost the proper combat breathing methods... and now use an inferior Teeth Hissing breath method. Everything is degrading, due to corruptions, ignorance, and laziness... in the modern industrial Era.
Great video guys. Still say its the practioner . Train realistically, train for what you are likely to encounter. Drill, pressure test. Rinse. Wash again 😅. I MUST say though, that for all of the guff that Wing Chun gets for not being effective, the SAME IS OFTEN SAID ABOUT THE Filipino arts. Again, its the " Artist". Many concepts are sound, depends on Who you are, how you train. As for the " tough Karate" training and stuff, I agree....TO A POINT. Izzo is right...Become 50 + and THEN see what your Martial mentality is( empty Hand). Again guys, become 50 and physically see what " works for you". Parking lot, Supermarket, Subway station, Ballgame....SO MANY places where violence happens, where you maybe can't run and have no firearm. ....THEN see what art you use.
@@IzzoWingChunNo, I'm 43 years old and I've seen several martial arts fighters who trained for years and even changed their lineage and it still didn't work, they all gave up training, it only works against laypeople. I'm Brazilian and I saw the first MMA fighters that had no rules and none of them worked and after the UFC bought it and it became the current MMA with more rules it still doesn't work. Sorry, these arts only work if they are combined with other styles, other than that it is useless, the truth hurts but it is better to accept it. 
Could this have been more fun, I'd love for either of you guys check out Sergio Perez from Practical Combat, he sparred gloveless with Icy Mike in an older video, great wing cbun concepts there too, regardelss I hope this dynamic duo becomes a series haha, could listen to you two guys talk for days, much love for both of you💪🥊🔥
Put the same Racing Engine, in a car thats much lighter... and its going to be able to Accelerate Faster.. and Brake Faster. Its not that you cant be fairly fast, with large muscles. Its that your acceleration and top speed potentials, can be greatly reduced. Bruce Lee himself, was once quite Bulky. He quickly discovered that it was making his footwork and reaction times, slower. He then started to reduce his bulk, to gain back his greater speed / acceleration. Its mere physics
Ive been an Izzo fan since b4 he was thick. While we dont agree on everything, our interpretation of W.C. is pretty damn similar. He is one of a few people i actually want to travel out to where they are, if they are willing to sell 3 days of privates. I have to do one more fam vaca, then the next three are just to get tuned up by folks like him, Adam, and Jason 👍
What wing chun technique is practical in real fight? Its very rare to see a stylistic type of fighter in mma wherein you actually the specific style of martial art that is not often used in mma, like Machida with Karate or Cung Lee with Taekwondo. I saw that obasi fight but hes just doing a wing chun stance but after that hes not doing any wing chun.
I’m loving how Dominick is going deep here. When you start to analyse your style. It’s an incredible experience as these concepts & principles cross from, fighting to your everyday life even into art. I not only do martial arts, but I write. I’m also creating a hybrid animal style. Based on the strength and toughness of the Australian kangaroo. So another animal style with principles and mechanics from Bajiquan, Piquazhang, Baguazhang, Hsing yi, Muay Thai, Karate, Indonesian, martial arts, Kenpo and western boxing. Along with animal mimicry of the kangaroo its strength, how holds its body and yes I’m Australian. I’m working on my own breathing Chi Kung. Isometric training, like in Hung gar. Hard body, striking conditioning, striking trees, etc. Ground, fighting and more. So I’m understanding what it’s like to analyse a lot of these things because I’m creating a new martial art based in Australia.
I just thought of it, by Dominick's standard of if Wing Chun and boxing has ground game... It actually does. Especially Wing Chun. Since the whole point of Wing Chun's strikes is to be rooted to the ground to generate power, being on your back actually helps since you can deliver Wing Chun punches and stomping kicks to the opponent above in the same way you would push on a chest press or leg press machine. And if you are above the opponent, well, stomp on them or go ground pound
Izzo: You're a man after my heart. I did 20+ in LE (including undercover narc). I topped out at 5'8, but now post 60 I'm about 2 inches shorter. Thus, I powerlifted and followed with martial arts (all flowing from being an undersized kid and the youngest in my class). Love your attitude.
I'm glad he came on the show and clarified the critiques of Wing Chun. I met a Wing Chun instructor that told me about different styles of Wing Chun 🤯 (not the politics of it). He was talking about knee fighting; that could combine well with Greco Wrestling. When I do Escrima, everyone thinks I know Wing Chun (which I don't), but after this video, I'm thinking 🤔 my extensive wrestling background combined with the other arts I've studied must just look like it to them.
I really liked Izzo before he made the a$$hole typical LEO comment about the guys name, Peanut, "I wanna report him to the local police department to see if he's around kids too much." What a total douche thing to say. Why would he make that assumption? Ridiculous.
Long time BJJ practitioner here, Getting older and tired of my body feeling lousy from sparring much younger and heavier guys all the time. Thinking about taking Kung Fu locally. It seems like a close in style that will probably compliment BJJ. Seems like it would be good exercise and fun.
@inside_fighting IzzoWingChun is 100% right if I want to explore and dabble in other arts other than beyond your typical boxing Muay Thai wrestling bjj choices I go straight to you. With everything circulating about how any other art isn’t good and bs bc it’s not in MMA really is off putting, I enjoy all your content and u encourage me to explore out of my comfort zone entertain my thoughts about exploring other arts. 🙏🏽
My Sifu doesn't lift weights either. He said he used to go to gym tp bulk up but he learnt how to build muscle without it. He keeps his muscles elastic so it allows him to move better. His power comes from the fascial which he spends a lot of time building.
@@MustAfaalik his technqiues do include that. He had found a way to use Nei Gong to work on the Fascial which then builds the muscles and keep them loose instead of having tight muscles like what happens by going to the gym. He is nearly 70 and his body is like mid 30 to 40 age
Please make a video on 'IWCO Full Contact Wing Chun' also known as 'Wing Chun Free Fight' ....... it's the legit full contact Wing Chun combat sport that NOBODY TALKS ABOUT !
If you train to get bigger muscles doesn't that slow you down??? What actually gave Bruce Lee enormous strength was training isometrics which is more aimed at giving you more strength than bigger muscles. Training for example with a bar attached to a chain attached to the ground and won't budge. But when applying your muscles and pulling upwards for as long as you can this puts tremendous strain on your arm muscles. Your muscles may become ripped but not big. Yes Bruce did train with weights but when he got bigger muscles he felt it slowed him down. And his wing chun he actually used up to the end from what Inosanto and other students have mentioned. Adam Chan here on TH-cam says that Bruce knew the most important parts of wing chun that he applied and was good at so it didn't really matter if he hadn't studied the whole curriculum because he knew the best parts
Good history on Bruce Lee is correct. Now, please.. Bruce Lee, as a kid got my into WC. Whilw watching this DePasquale and his son passed away. Wong Shun was his primary teacher, who was under Master Ip Man. It's the truth. Bruce Lee was a.mid, second form student. That is why he stated wing Chun was incomplete. What he should have said was his wing Chun was incomplete. No art has it all. I do BJJ now, and it's brutle on me at age 52. And beginning Judo tomorrow. Love this stuff too.
Iam doing wing chug, kuntao, open hand Kali and kick boxing. If u are smooth with it and are strong and fast then to the average person not trained u definitely be on top
I have read that there is a style of Wing Chun that engages from longer distances,called Law Family Snake Pattern Wing Chun, it has specific training exercises like Suen sao Snake hands,and Huen Sao. I cannot find any description of how these exercises are or their training though.
Virtually all WC exchanges, should start from making contact off of the extended Lead Guard arm. The only difference, might be the use of a sidewards stance, to extend the lead guard hands reach. Of course, when you do such a thing.. you also tend to reduce the Safety Levels, and change the Mobility aspects. You may, for example, be far more prone to getting Countered... or a Trapped / Broken arm. The thing people do not seem to understand.. is that if a angry dude wants to hit you... he has to charge into your range. A person that is angered enough to want to hit you... isnt going to fight like a sport fighter. Hes not going to hop around, and dance just outside of reach. Hes almost always going to rush in like a Bull... not even caring if he eats one of your strikes on the way in. But even the Trained fighters... when they are angered enough to want to fight you... they still tend to throw caution to the wind... and step in with serious intent to cause damages. Most of what you are doing in WC.. is to provoke them into range... Safely finding and controlling their arms... and dismantling their Defensed + counterstriking them. Now, you can choose to Chase any fighter... but if a dude really doesnt want to fight you... they can find plenty of ways to escape your attempts... by matching your footwork opposingly. That said... I do think its good to explore all of these arts methods, and compare them, and test them for yourself. Its only then, are you often Developing higher level understandings... often leading to higher level functionality.
WING CHUN - is an absolutely awesome martial art. If there was something better for the base that Bruce Lee used for his JKD - he would have used it. Love wing-chun. If performed correctly this art is effective against any style and will always enhance your own style
I totally disagree with Sifu Dominick's opinion regarding the Tae Kwon Do kicks used by this apparent Wing Chun contender. Those kicks aren't Wing Chun because number one, Wing Chun is a system of efficiency and uses a very specific engine to generate it's force and power in combat. Not only did the "Wing Chun" guy kick way too high which is not considered stable or smart to do in the Wing Chun system, it completely breaks the structure and alignment of his form and the triangular wedge you want to hone your frame and intention into. He also was not using the Wing Chun engine at all to generate the power for his kicks. Instead he employed sloppy, middling kickboxing techniques, which are not at all Wing Chun. His opponent was also too far away to do those kicks to. Tae Kwon Do kicks work best just outside grappling range not 7 feet away. He should also be squared against his opponent not in a side facing boxing stance. You can close in on your opponent using angles if you train proper footwork and drill it until it becomes a part of you and transforms the way you walk permanently. He used no Wing Chun footwork, or power generation. This was sloppy and sad.
They dont like people pointing out that ite absent in MMA, because it IS absent, because it IS ineffective against trained fighters. When you have to go to streetbeefs for a win, that says it all. Traditional martial arts is good hobby. I got 3 black belts myself in them over 30 years. But unless you fight properly, inside or outside a ring... its not doing anything. Your guest is over 200lbs. Thats ok if hes fighting someone his height. If he fights someone his weight, like you do in the ring, you are fighting someone 6ft 2... and you better hope he cant fight
His school is in NC. His Sifu is from Duncan Leung lineage. I have been to his school. I’m not sure I agree with the Sao bao explanation of usage totally from Sifu Izzo. There are different Sao baos based upon what the bag is filled with. As a central space to diffuse energy back into a person, I’m not sure that’s the ideal. Is it possible? Perhaps. But one would never get a shot on someone that solid in order to sense that sort of absorption. I can’t see it happening.
Wing Chun, Taijiquan, Aikido, etc... seem to attract weak people looking to hide behind a rank, rather than fight nowadays. Back in the day, there were more people in these systems who were more willing to spar, fight, and test themselves. That's the only way to translate any art into a fighting system. You have to be willing to be hit, in order to get your subconscious to start using things you learn. There's no other way. Visualization should be a major part of your training all the way up from beginner to "master". Good video guys.
So one thing I need to say here is in regards to the complete BS echoed ad nauseum from practitioners of martial arts who have a limited understanding of what it is they practice. I was a student of multiple Kung Fu styles starting from 1985 until the early 2000's. One of my first teachers I studied with, was in the Southern family of styles in the Kung Fu I practiced, Hung Gar, and Wing Chun. He said one of the stupidest things I ever heard said in MA but I didn't know it at the time. My old sifu said something very similar to what Dominick says here. He said "All things being considered equal the person who is bigger and stronger will always have the advantage and win in a fight". At the time I believed him and went to the gym at least 3 times a week, and took MA classes 6 days a week. Now in my late 50's and having a $hit ton more experience and knowledge, I realize just how incredibly incorrect that statement was and that kind of training will only work against unskilled opponents. The truth is The more relaxed a person is the more of an advantage they have against a skilled and unskilled opponent. Muscle strength always works against you in a fight. Muscle power is fleeting and very limited. It is also only effective against an unskilled opponent and unskilled opponents need to use brute strength in order to compensate for their lack of skill in their art. Muscular strength is only beneficial against an opponent who is giving you resistance. If you don't encounter resistance your muscles are useless. Also your muscles and strength deteriorates with age and that means the younger and stronger will always defeat you. So why bother training with a method that is only beneficial on smaller, older and weaker opponents. Instead a skilled MA trains to handle themselves under pressure and to not be a puppet to panic or the fight or flight response. They train to remain calm and relaxed during a fight and train to use as little tension and muscle as possible and instead develop their tendons, ligaments and the fascia which gives them an elastic or springy power and strength akin to a trampoline, that can be utilized for much longer amounts of time and uses far less effort. One needs to learn to fight smarter not harder. That said there is a huge difference between remaining relaxed, and being floppy like a noodle as there still needs to be a stretch occurring with the limbs throughout all ones movements while remaining relaxed.
I would like to look at it differently. All "classic" martial arts that often get a bad rep, fulfill a different role than mma/kickboxing etc. It is to get non-aggressive people in contact with martial arts in general. To widen the contact area and thereby also increasing the uptake of the few that really enjoy harder contact while giving the non-fighters a non-fearful relationship to physical confrontation and standing up against others if that makes any sense. I train Shotokan with my 2 sons, one needs it for coordination, body awareness, focus and self esteem and the other to blow of energy and to practice focusing. At 8 and 10 I don't expect them to compete or want them to hard spar but it's a part of their life and I believe it will serve them well. And in our dojo we have everything from very competitive fighters to delusional martial arts fans, from 6 to 80 yo and about 50/50 between the sexes. This might not be the most toughening environment but its where people learn the basics, punches, kicks, coordination, movement, distance management and a lot more, and then decide where to go in life.
I been doing Wing Chun for 30 years . I never understood either why people BS their students. My sifu Alan Goldberg taught us l stuff and in application and mindset that you're speaking of.
It used to be the in thing with all the films, hype, but then suddenly a lot of practicioners were exposed because the real lack of pressure testing, and to be fair that some things don't work well against other arts like grappling, wrestling, MMA. The Wing chun guys are to hung up on protecting their art and investment, rather than evolve. Like this guy, 235 in the vid, sure mass, power, vs endurance, speed, and when it comes down to it determination, heart.
Any wing chun practitioner can kick to their own ability and apply it from within awing chun framework. To be able to kick high is to anybodys advantage just from an awareness standpoint whether applied in combat or not. Understanding high kicks helps in defending against them.Could argue all day long about usefulness as technique and practicality. Even ahaymaker can have a place in one’s arsenal in actual combat. Defense is always priority. To hit and receive a blow in exchange is inferior from a technique and learning methodology standpoint.
(11:55) What is this??? : I agree... if that wing-Chun kids actually studies, then he's just a beginner... Oh and in the beginning, the dude threw his kick "off balance"...
First of all you can train all you like and never be a fighter. Wing Chun is effective at very close range, this guy hasn't a clue how to use his skill. Second, kicks are incredibly easy to avoid, they are slow cumbersome and all kicks land with an imbalance, he is fighting a kicking opponent and not controlling the legs, again weak. There is one kick which dominates ALL other kicks, that's the fast front kick, its capable of taking the force out of the kicking leg and the standing leg with fast quick strikes every single time an opponent tries to use their power. This guy fights with fear, get close, dominate his legs with the front kick, fast gentle work, its easy to stop a kick at the inception of its arc it has no force at all and requires none, second it requires rebalance every time you do it, allowing you to slap and strike behind it, Wing Chun is a close dominance skill. In the right hands its lethal, a kickboxer cant release a kick against a close in wing Chun fighter because he will just be ankle blocked, thigh blocks and kicked to his inner thigh on the standing leg every time he tries to use power. The truth of Wing Chun is while its a highly skillful art, it requires absolute confidence in your own art, it is the art of close up and personal dominion over an opponents movement. Standing off and show boating an opponent means you are afraid and don't trust your own ability to dominate up close. It doesn't matter how big the opponent is, if I strike his arm close to shoulder when he's throwing a punch, the punch is dead. if I strike his ankle as he raises the leg the kick is dead, if I strike his thigh before he gets the kick beyond the hip, his kick is dead and he will take pain. if I strike his standing leg as he kicks, the kick dies, he will take pain. If I control his hand not allowing him freedom to draw and release punches, his skill is gone. Wing Chun is badly misunderstood, in the RIGHT hands, its absolutely lethal. But the right hands are someone who steps in close, calm as a spring day and gently dominates every single movement his opponent tries to make never allowing him freedom to strike, never allowing him to generate power at all, and picking him off from the inside. To do that requires a fighters hearts and absolute confidence in your own capacity, it requires mastery and mentality. If you dont have that, Wing Chun cannot be employed as a stand off brute force skill and expect to come off well. This guy is trying to use Wing Chun as Muy Thai, its like trying to use a scalpel as a hammer, doesnt work.
I will admit Dominick Izzo really isn't the idea of a fast-moving Wing Chun guy so his talking about not prioritising a body type for speed and putting on muscles for strength is rather different than some regular generic Wing Chun guy. Great insight from Dominick, I was listening closely to everything he said.
You dont need massive bulk, to have lethal impact potentials. And having strong grappling strength, does not guarantee that you dont eat a lethal strike, while trying to get your Grip. Now, if you already are big / bulky... there is nothing stopping you from doing a fast art.. slower. But, you will likely have to adapt to a certain degree. Izzo also has likely Never taken a hit from an Internal Arts practitioner. At a mere 150 lbs, I was knocking out disrespectful fighters that were like 2x my own mass.. from my mostly extended LEAD guard hand... with less than 6" of travel, and I Never used more than about 15% of what I was capable of Generating / Delivering. If you can KO someone at 15%, within 6 inches... You easily have Lethal potentials, at 3 or less inches, at a full 100% Izzo does not know half as much as he "Thinks" he knows
I have never seen a real match or fight that a trained Wing Chun student actually used the blocks and rolling punches that you see demonstrated all over TH-cam. It’s the same thing with Aikido. I mean no disrespect. In my option it’s because you need a willing partner to allow you to perform the art. You don’t see Wing Chun or aikido tournaments where they test themselves against opponents. If you don’t test , then you don’t know.
(25:50) agreed... Why would someon want to, unless the size difference is that obvious an the bigger person is useto taking shots from more "bigger" opponents...
this kids in that sparring mindset because he can’t be in an assassins mindset during a sporting event... if he knows anything about the higher levels, he knows he can never walk into an octagon and be anything other than a sparring mode because once you get beyond that it can get lethal real quick
Wing Chun sport doesn't work. As a retired officer, and vet there is a transition one most learn, mentally, psychologically to have real intent. The fact that the WC doesn't doesn't represent a high standard of fighting application. But he looks able to be taught it.
That guy is hilarious, he just don't wanna admit Wing Chun isn't as affective as it is in the movies. Certain philosophies yes they apply to combat sports, but a lot of it will not work against real fighters with Sta d up and ground game.
People bring up that no karate or kung-fu guy won the ufc tournaments back in the day but neither did pure boxers or muay-thia fighters. But in those tournaments karate and kung-fu guys did knockout boxers and muay-thia guys on the feet
The Wing Chun guy is hitting clean but he doesn't have power punches that's his problem. He's missing bad intentions. His technique is beautiful though.
Martial arts is practicing fighting and those who practice something will naturally be better at it than those who don't. That said some forms of practice yield better results than others. Thai chi is practicing moving more than practicing fighting so don't expect to be good at fighting when you are practicing a different sport.
WIng Chun is underrated in combat sports I mean guys mark Phillips (fightscience on youtube) trains in wing chun and sanshou (along with BJJ) actually do fairly well in the UK MMA scene. I find the wing chun schools that also teach sanshou are the more legit, because they will be actually sparring.
Hi, I do boxing. I don't know what gym told you not to lift weights. But everyone that does boxing needs to be lifting weights. What you don't want to do in boxing is 'bulking' e.g. eating a ton a food and gaining a ton of weight. You need to have the endurance to train for hours everyday.
I don’t think every style is perfect. I think the jet kun do philosophy is perfect. Having said that I think there are good things in wing chun that can be incorporated into the perfect fight game.
What do you guys think of Wing Chun in a combat sports setting?
lol not much
Great video. Spot on
@@chip877it seems unfortunately wing chun has a bad reputation
I think that, like all traditional styles, it will take time but you'll get there if you spar and apply concepts and techniques
It's not what it's designed for. Wing chun has a definite focus on ambush attacks. Match fights start at a whole different range. I trained wing chun for six years, so I have some understanding of how it works.
The wing Chun master hit on the nail! This was an excellent exchange in ideas! Something I don't see in other martial arts vloggers!
Thanks so much! Dominick Izzo is amazing.
My wing chun experience goes back 40 years, that is, I've met a number of wing chun people who are for real fighters. Wing chun isn't the big joke people online make it out to be. But it is true that wing chun will not work well in the ring - even Bruce Lee could barely defeat an amateur boxer back when he was in Hong Kong. For self-defense though, wing chun is very practical.
I think it depends on the style and teacher and focus. Dominick has some great points and every time he discusses it with me i learn something about it
Bruce Lee had no Wing Chun experience yet when he had that Boxing match in school.
Because WC, like Silat, Krav Maga, Okinawa Karate like Uechi, Goju or Ryuei are for self defense, not for combat. A ring situation is a combat, not a self defense situation.
I think it's only good for super close quarters combat, like when a drunken bar goer puts his hands on you. In this instance I think Aikido or aiki Jujitsu also can work.
@@christopherwalker6056 Exactly. Good point.
The "drunken master" that GSP brought onto TUFF was Jean-Charles Skarbowski. He's an absolute savage and legend in the kickboxing circuit. He was an incredibly durable journeyman for 2 DECADES.
Wing Chun is a great in fighting system. Great close range system.
@kurttestruth7757. Absolutely! Most do not know how & get their ass kicked by boxers & other strikers. It is about pressure & control fighting requiring full body power, not limbs.
You put me in a corner and I would choose Wing Chun, if I wanted to drive some1 in a corner I'd choose Wing Chun. Open field I'd take something different
Seems like it’s really teacher dependent also.
@@EgardWatchesin my experience Eli approaches martial arts correctly. If you only drink out of 1 glass everything will taste the same eventually but if you use different cups for each drink you'll get to enjoy the full flavor of everything.
In order for a Serious Attacker to actually be able to Harm you... they have to get close enough to strike you. As such, no matter what punches or kicks they use... they are still able to be Countered, using Wing Chun. This is especially true, due to WC's advanced Leg-Fencing methods (rarely seen, and only taught in the higher levels of the artform.. which many practitioners never reach).
I once was messing around with one of my Private students... trying to see if I could actually land a few high kicks on him. His WC defenses, were already pretty good.. so it was a dangerous game to play...
I hop skipped, starting to raise my leg, and starting to launch a kick... but as soon as I had hopped in that close, he instantly threw a low kick towards my Post Legs kneecap! I was very fearful that this kick would have caused considerable damage... even IF he landed it with very little force on it...
I stopped my leg mid-air, and swung it horizontally... using my legs shin bone to deflect his kick, just in the nick of time. Right after his leg bounced off of mine... I launched a straight kick towards his head, and gave it a tight little sidewards Hook to the side of his Head, at the very End of the kick. It landed with a satisfying Thud.
But the thing is... it could have gone horribly wrong. It was dangerous enough, for the initial Hop Step in... as he could have caught me there. But even then, his kick towards my post-leg, was a fraction of a second from being Hyper-Extended / Broken.
Thing is... I only had trained him for about 6 months.. and he still was very Green. When going up against Superior fighters... things take on a whole other level of Potentials and Dangers.
@@johndough8115yadayadayada I did this I beat Godzilla etc. only videos of WC getting battered on TH-cam.
When a direct lineage wing chun master gets beaten by a boxer using only ONE hand. It proves 'without a shadow of a doubt' Wing Chun is a scam.
@@dagaffer2269 A Teacher, isnt the same thing as a "Master". Thats like saying your Tennis Coach Teacher, could compete and win the highest level Tournaments.
Yes, there are many Bad Wing Chun videos out there. That doesnt mean, that the Art is a scam. There are many Bad Oil Painters, many bad Dancers, many bad Musicians...etc. Heck, there are many bad boxers out there... AND.. most boxers tend to eat like +50 punches in a single ROUND of boxing. If you took the gloves off, most of these guys would be KO'd, in a street fight, in less than 3 punches... and in less than 15 seconds.
In fact.. the Reality is... that a boxer would not be able to get within an Arms reach of me. His kneecap would be Destroyed, well before that point... via an Oblique Kick.
As much as I dont like to admit to doing it... Due to a fighter being extremely Disrespectful, I dropped him with an Oblique kick. I only used about 15% on that kick. The resulting injury, took a Month for him to fully recover from.
Does every WC practitioner have KO / Lethal level Strikes / Kicks? Nope. Why? Because not even WC practitioner, trains their Techniques to Masterclass Levels.
I had One of my former private students, train under me for about 6 months. He had never done martial arts in his entire life... and he wasnt exactly an Athlete. Before this point, anyone could have easily Destroyed him, without Any trouble at all. After that 6 month... His defensive abilities, were pretty darn Solid. He once mentioned that his buddies used to play-fight him in the past... but after learning some WC... they couldnt get a hit on him.. and stopped trying, from that point further, because it was no contest.
Does that mean, that he was at my level? Does that mean, he could have taken on.. even a good Kickboxer? Likely not. As much as I Tried with all of my efforts, I could not convince him to train Hard enough, inside and outside of classes... to reach a Functional Combat level of Ability.
There is a saying "You can lead a Horse to water, but you cant make them drink it".
If you tell a dude to hit the sandbag for 20 minutes.. and they CHOOSE to start using less and less effort, after only the first 3 minutes... because they are being Lazy / Conservative... What can you do? Sure, you can observe, and sternly ask for more.. but if they are not fully invested, they will still never be putting in 100%. Nothing close to it.
In fact, out of the handful of students I managed to train, I couldnt get ANY of them to train outside of our classes. I could tell they were not training outside, because their skills were not progressing enough... Making the same errors. Struggling with the same things..etc. Which is why I eventually Stopped teaching. I wanted to be able to Pass on what Id learned.. and produce a Superior Fighter... but nobody wanted to work even a Quarter, of how, and at what Intensity.. that I used to train.
I used to train between 4 to +8hrs, every single day. I not only trained in WC... but I also cross trained in other Arts methods. I can do Muay Thai / TKD / Northern Shaolin style kicks. Boxing Strikes, And much more... at Pro levels. I typically dont use these methods when I spar / fight... but I can do them effectively. I learned them, to know how best to defeat them.. AND.. because I love All Martial Arts. I also used to do Hardcore Shaolin style Iron Body conditioning, too.
You want to know how I trained my Kicks to be so Powerful? I put on a pair of Hard Leather bottomed dress shoes... and oblique kicked the thick tree on my front lawn, for 1hr long sessions. Every kick, as fast, and hard, as possible. The foot would sting on every impact. 4 sets, each 15 minutes of Non Stop kicks. 2 sets from the REAR leg positions, and 2 sets from the short range LEAD leg positions. I did this like every other day, for a solid 3 months (in addition at a Lot of other training each day). I guarantee that most WC students, and teachers... Never train like this, in this modern day and time. However, I took the art Seriously... and trained like the Ancient fighters of the Distant Past... which is why and how I developed my kicks to have Crippling potentials, with only a Fraction of what I was capable of dishing out.
Wing Chun is close combat defense focused, however, it's offensive counters are deadly, and is more based on 1 shot 1 kill..throat shots are common, so my answer to it being included as a style in ufc is big No..not unless you want to increase the body count for ratings..which is evil..balance must be maintained between sport fighting and combat kill fighting.
I think finding the Right instructor is more important than which the name of their Tao.
The instructor is everything
for real
Definitely
Xiao Long, if it is using Chinese, is little dragon. It would be pronounced she-aow3 long2. For those that don't know, the numbers at the end denote the tone (Chinese is a tonal language).
If you want to communicate the tones you can use the actual tone over the letter. For example Xiǎo Lóng (小龙）(it helps if you have the Chinese keyboard enabled, because the English keyboard doesn’t allow for the same marks.)
Btw, I hardly run into people who can speak both English and Chinese as well. Love to see it!
@@girthehuman7853 the Chinese keyboard, at least the pinyin one only types in simplified characters though, right? Is there a way I can get it to show English with the tone markings? And how do I know which letter the tone indicator should go?
@@girthehuman7853 well, I *am* Taiwanese American, so I "should" be able to speak both. Honestly though a lot of my Taiwanese/Chinese American peers cannot really speak Mandarin, there really any need to I guess.
Plus my Mandarin was really quite poor; taking four semesters of simplified Chinese in college helped some but I ended up marrying a Chinese woman which did the most to help me Mandarin. But yes, I agree, I think being multi lingual is wonderful and I want my kids to be at least as fluent as I am.
I still want to say though that I feel my Mandarin is still really lacking and I follow some intermediate level Chinese teachers on TH-cam to try and learn new words. I do notice that we kind of end up developing our own version of Chinglish at home which does nothing to push oneself further. (This was obvious when listening to my brother speak to my mom at a family dinner last night, but I won't deny I still have to use some English with her sometimes 😅)
When speaking of Bruce Lee, it would be a smart move to first think and remember that he was the reason why martial arts enthusiasm and attendance soared to never before seen levels in the world… Bruce Lee did not say something didn’t work. Bruce Lee said that certain things work for certain people better than others. For that reason, he adopted what worked for him and did not bother with things he discovered did not work for him. Others could choose a different set of skills and they should, as Bruce Lee said. Furthermore, nobody beat the crap of Bruce Lee when he would go back to Hong Kong. That is just such disrespect to the person who singlehandedly put bread on the table for all martial arts teachers, especially the Wing Chun ones.
No way is the way, said bruce.
Weights help with martial arts as a Bajiquan, Baguazhang & multiple other styles, exponent. Old Chinese proverb startes, Chi needs a strong house to reside in.
That house is muscle 🤜🫷
Fuck yeah bulk up strike, trees or hard objects. & hit like like the opponent stole from you !
Great quote 💪🏽
@@inside_fighting
Thanks bro great episode 👍
Dont strike Trees, unless you wrap them (or their bark is very thin / smooth). Uneven surfaces, create bone-bumps, which are very painful. Furthermore.. hitting flat hard surfaces is also not advisable. It can grind the knuckles to be Flattened. The Chinese use canvas sand-bags, because the sand conforms to the shape of the knuckles.. but right after that point.. the sand compresses and becomes hard as a rock. This protects the shape of your knuckles, while you are developing their Strength and Density.
The use of Dit Da Jow, is also advisable, when training Iron Fist conditioning.
While you might know all of that... I posted it for the sake of some Clueless dude, to help prevent him from destroying his knuckles.. trying to hit a thick barked tree.
Muscle is good to a certain extent. But superior tendon strength, (as well as various technical methods) can also defeat it. And Too much bulk = Slower movements. But certainly, you want to be in decent shape, with an especially high level of Core strength.
wish these two clout chasers would shut up and play the fight video.
My dude's content really would be a good desk reference 🎉
Wing Chun guy seems to not have made the transition from sparring to fighting. He isn't trying to hurt the other guy, but bald bro is trying to hurt him (pathetically I must say).
How can you tell, they played 5 seconds of the video...
His record is literally 2-1. He's still an amateur. And he's using streetbeefs as a venue. If this were a sanctioned fight against another trained opponent, it would have been different.
I used to like Izzo's content since I think TMA is practical for self-deference but people aren't testing it or sparring with it. But then things got a bit of the retarded, with the drama in his channel. When people started to Dox because they hated his opinion, Also I stopped taking him seriously When Izzo said the 52 guys were the great dirty boxing. In my mind, I told myself Izzo boxing isn't that great if he thinks the 52 block is great.
Since I was raised in the NYC Bronx I know about the 52-block history of losing fights and stealing from Wing Chin into their boxing. But you know what i noticed most cops are into TMA . have muscle they tend to be rush fighters which they close up the gap then tackle you to that grown. like this other TH-cam that's a Cop said "When you in a street situation you don't to know that much, just get in close range"
Not sure where I said 52 blocks is great dirty boxing. But I will say that Lyte Burly is a PHENOMENAL fighter, martial artists, teacher, coach and person. But you do you.
@@IzzoWingChun idk Everyone has there own opinion. Specailly some of 52 block teachers say their art it came from Egypt /Prymids or it vague description where it came from. Or back when I lived in the Bronx I heard Lyte has a record of losing street fights. Also years I have been in Kickboxing/self-defense, 52 Block doesn't look practical at all. Like I think the KFM guys look more practical then them.
I immediately subbed here when Izzo had Ilan here on his channel for that interview and have been following since. It's great to see these two guys chatting about martial arts again.
Thanks for subbing back then brother. Izzo is awesome 🙏🏼
Thank you!
Wing Chun is a unique system
I used to think Wing Chun was really unique, but to be honest looking at a lot of other Kung Fu styles you start to see that they are a lot the same. Wing Chun will just emphasise some things like close fighting and stance, different hand blocks and training in a drill like Chi Sao.
@@M_K-BombWing Chun has Fujian White Crane influence. But yes, most Kung Fu uses vertical fist.
wing chun is very similar to a whole lot of other southern style "short fist" types of kung fu, chow gar, five ancestors, pak mei, white crane, etc. it exists as a part of an extensive family of martial arts endemic to southern china, many were developed by the hakka peoples who then disseminated idea's to other chinese ethnic groups, these southern styles went on to heavily influence okinawan karate
@@M_K-Bomb hi good wing chun is close body , short strike , hard to find good chun on line . Yik Kam and pin sun are good branches of this fantastic system .
Holy Moly! Been following Izzo for years! So happy you gentlemen got together for your first video collab. This one! I’m super excited!! This is exactly what I would want to watch. Especially in a sport combative sense cause I see it’s potential in the ring. Love this can’t wait to see more like this!
Appreciate that. He’s awesome! Hope to do more with him.
Running is running.
I'm 56 I live in UK where the winner is the criminal.
I still forget I'm 56 when I'm threatened.
I practice kali. Bjj, wrestling, boxing, and tai chi chuan.
However my major weapon is self belief.
I know I will win.
Thinking makes you better because you become more you.
BTW I'm strong from bjj, wrestling and animal flow.
Not weights.
Animal flow?
@@unbroken1010 or primal flow. Loads of videos on YT. Try 20 min. It's horrible.
I'm a Wing Chun geek, and a fan of MMA
The end of your video nailed it. I spent a year in a Seattle school basically branched directly from Jame DeMiles. In the end it was an awesome blend of non-classical WC with Boxing undertones [still there]. In other words, conditioning including circuit-type boxing training with all kinds of bags... This was a reality school with outside challenges accepted. You learned quickly what works and all the rest...and how to train properly.
I think the weight lifting thing gets put aside when you see some Bodybuilders with zero Training proclaim that they can beat anyone regardless of training below their weight.
I'm not pointing at anyone in particular as it's probably been a thing for awhile.
Judokas are some of the buffest dudes I've seen.
It's so satisfying to observe someone with experience have expectations subverted, immediately picking up on someone else's potential. Especially when they have every reason to be jaded. It almost emphasizes their passion by reminding us that on some level, they really want to see others successfully represent what they love so much. Plus I'm not at all afraid to admit how much I enjoyed a legend like Dominick repeating what we've all said about Ilan at some point. Every video has shown me the true value of criticism is in discerning the potential in the lesser as well as the greater.
Thank you man 🙏🏼 i liked seeing Izzo get excited about his system as well.
Ilan is THE MAN!
That’s why I’m not a fan of living in a state like that, you kill an attacker n the guy can sue you or some liberal DA has you prosecuted. Sadly even in Texas they’re doing that ignoring the law.
Izzo’s knowledge is limited and he’s a bully.
Izzo a master? Thanks for the laugh
OOH---Dominick Izzo? Coool.
Would you be please try to make an interview with Kevin Lee or Jerry Figgiani?
Kind regards from Germany.
Salvatore
Yes definitely, I'll reach out to Kevin Lee
So cool you had Izzo on here. Ive been watching him since he was sitting in the squad car.
He always has unique insites from actually using his art (and strength) to control people for his job. The way he practices is different vs a school that needs to pay the bills and keep enrollment up.
If others are game it would be cool to see more people of different styles on the show.
Appreciate you!
MMA guy sucks, but he's probably still better than most untrained people😂
Awesome!!! Whenever people suggest to me that Wing Chun is ineffective, I always tell them to first check-out Dominick Izzo and then we can continue the conversation. I have been training (Kung Fu, Silat and other stuff) for almost 60 years and in my opinion, this guy is the real deal!!!
Appreciate you!
@@IzzoWingChun And I, you sir! Please keep on doing what you're doing :)
Another problem is you say wing chun won the day but it didnt because in the second round he changed his style into a brawler & put the guy away quickly which is wot he should of done in the first place which proves that he knew it wasnt working so he just changed it & all the techniques he learned in wing chun went out the window.
If your fighting a guy who is not playing your game then you have to change the rules.
& thats wot he did here & worked
I see it differently... In the first round he took the stamina and concentration of the other guy....the second round he changed technique because he could now tap out the other guy quickly...this is strategically...with wing chun it could have taken too long because the competition had a time limit.
This dude used to hang with Lenny Sly I think is his name. A TOUGH TALKING AIKIDO GUY. A funny guy in my opinion. “My Aikido is deadly”. Gave me Seagal vibes. Lol I was under Lloyd Irvin in Maryland. But I wasn’t a part of his little cult. He was phenomenal with leg locks.
And Sly is still one of the absolute best ambassadors of Aikido on the planet.
Sorry, to garbage fighters together.
"first I need to google his school lineage" what a clown.
"the reason GSP's kickboxing friend was beating everyone is because he was so relaxed" No, its because he is a phenomenal multiple world tittle holding fighter and these guys were much lower skill level. Again what a clown
I cant listen to this guy anymore lol he has no idea what he is talking about
Well the question is why he was a phenomenal fighter and world champion. Part of it is the fact that he could flow and relax… many of the best Thai guys have that style. Sanchai is a perfect example. Also Izzo worked as a cop and also wrestled so he has lots of hands on experience and real world experience which is the most valuable kind of experience you can have. He also very clearly states that if you don’t get rough and have resistance than you won’t be able to fight.
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Why is he phenomenal? Some of it is genetic and a lot of it is correct training, ring experience and building up fight IQ.
Take any world class striker and put them in the ring with those new mma guys and guess what, same result. Being drunk causing him to be relaxed is not why they got beat so easily and we both know it.
Being a policeman doesn't automatically make you an expert at striking, and he had several bar fights, ok, that's hardly any fight experience at all.
He doesn't pressure test or spar so how is he an expert on application of WC techniques in real fights?
Would he do better in streetbeefs than the guy you showed?
No one will ever know because he wont risk putting his ideas to the test on camera.
The same reason most WC masters wont, it would shatter the illusion and their egos don't like it.
@@driver3899 i don’t think that getting in to a ring is necessary. You can spar hard and pressure test without competing. He wrestled so I’m sure he did a lot of that. He also isn’t walking around saying he can beat up everyone so I’m confused what your point is… he’s acrually critiquing his own system.
@@inside_fighting Yes I agree 100% you don't need to be in a ring but you do need to pressure test in some way, which he is not.
Being a wrestler does not make you an expert at striking.
I dont have a point other than he doesn't know what he is talking about which is what I pointed out in my comment at the start
I would add to it though that he also isn't an expert on reality based applications of WC or cage fighting.
Probably why he is all over the place while trying to talk as an authority on those topics.
@@driver3899 do you mind me asking what styles you train?
Interesting points about seeing improvements after taking a break; Huberman did a podcast about the science behind mental reps leading to improvements in physical skills.
I think people under estimate the power of their mind.
Personally, I believe its not so much about taking a physical break... as much as its about learning to have a more Open mind. And Spending more time dedicated to understanding every Detail... and to explore Various Theories / Methods.
You see... when you are Learning an Art... you are often merely Following Orders... and then Merely Mastering what you learned. You are often not taking the time to really explore... and think on your own, about these concepts / things.
It also takes time for your brain to build a certain level of Awareness. This can be sped up some by Teaching. And even more, from special training methods (like 1hr long Slow Motion forms, where you are forced to pay attention to the smallest of movements / sensations).
Since many artists no longer do the Meditation aspect of their arts... they often lack a certain high level awareness that comes from such training methods. Many have also lost the proper combat breathing methods... and now use an inferior Teeth Hissing breath method. Everything is degrading, due to corruptions, ignorance, and laziness... in the modern industrial Era.
You want to tell me the dude on the left is Xiao Long? This reminds me a scene from "Rush Hours"....
😂😂😂
Great video guys. Still say its the practioner . Train realistically, train for what you are likely to encounter. Drill, pressure test. Rinse. Wash again 😅. I MUST say though, that for all of the guff that Wing Chun gets for not being effective, the SAME IS OFTEN SAID ABOUT THE Filipino arts. Again, its the " Artist". Many concepts are sound, depends on Who you are, how you train. As for the " tough Karate" training and stuff, I agree....TO A POINT. Izzo is right...Become 50 + and THEN see what your Martial mentality is( empty Hand). Again guys, become 50 and physically see what " works for you". Parking lot, Supermarket, Subway station, Ballgame....SO MANY places where violence happens, where you maybe can't run and have no firearm. ....THEN see what art you use.
More like arse wind 💨 master 😂
emin boztepe did a lot a demo using wing chun in clinch and ground back in the day
Yea he was very popular for fighting with it
He's one of THE best.
Sorry, using streetbeefs to prove anything is ridiculous.
How ridiculous though 🤔
Yaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnn!
Sorry, but wing chun, aikido, systema, krav magá, ninjutsu do not work for combat fights or for self-defense. Unfortunately this is the truth
You mean, YOU cannot make them work.
@@IzzoWingChunNo, I'm 43 years old and I've seen several martial arts fighters who trained for years and even changed their lineage and it still didn't work, they all gave up training, it only works against laypeople. I'm Brazilian and I saw the first MMA fighters that had no rules and none of them worked and after the UFC bought it and it became the current MMA with more rules it still doesn't work. Sorry, these arts only work if they are combined with other styles, other than that it is useless, the truth hurts but it is better to accept it.

No, you are not working.
@@mikrobi_3419No, I'm not a deluded fanatic
Look I am boxer and I think street beefs is entertaining however that Wing Chung kid isnt fighting a train or professional boxer.
Of course not 😅 it’s hilarious. This was all in good fun.
@@inside_fighting indeed lol
Could this have been more fun, I'd love for either of you guys check out Sergio Perez from Practical Combat, he sparred gloveless with Icy Mike in an older video, great wing cbun concepts there too, regardelss I hope this dynamic duo becomes a series haha, could listen to you two guys talk for days, much love for both of you💪🥊🔥
Thanks man. Izzo is the best. Easy to have a convo with him.
The guest is annoying.
Touch me and your first lesson is free!!! 😂😂😂
Brian K Edwards student of Duncan Leung, under Yip Man. I have been a student of Brian K Edwards over 30 years.
Respect. Brian Edwards is my Sigung. His skill is absolutely amazing!
That muscles make you slow myth grinds my gears. As a muscular guy, i hear it too much
It more do with just being stiff. I did Kali for while getting into certain postions made me slow but I was lifting at same time
Put the same Racing Engine, in a car thats much lighter... and its going to be able to Accelerate Faster.. and Brake Faster. Its not that you cant be fairly fast, with large muscles. Its that your acceleration and top speed potentials, can be greatly reduced.
Bruce Lee himself, was once quite Bulky. He quickly discovered that it was making his footwork and reaction times, slower. He then started to reduce his bulk, to gain back his greater speed / acceleration.
Its mere physics
Ive been an Izzo fan since b4 he was thick. While we dont agree on everything, our interpretation of W.C. is pretty damn similar. He is one of a few people i actually want to travel out to where they are, if they are willing to sell 3 days of privates. I have to do one more fam vaca, then the next three are just to get tuned up by folks like him, Adam, and Jason 👍
Planning vacations around training with cool people is a genius idea 🤔
What wing chun technique is practical in real fight? Its very rare to see a stylistic type of fighter in mma wherein you actually the specific style of martial art that is not often used in mma, like Machida with Karate or Cung Lee with Taekwondo. I saw that obasi fight but hes just doing a wing chun stance but after that hes not doing any wing chun.
Hi , go to your nearest wing chun school , and ask the same question . You should get an interesting answer.
Subscribed to the guy because he actually reached out to you
Appreciate that.
🙏🏼 awesome
I’m loving how Dominick is going deep here. When you start to analyse your style. It’s an incredible experience as these concepts & principles cross from, fighting to your everyday life even into art.
I not only do martial arts, but I write. I’m also creating a hybrid animal style. Based on the strength and toughness of the Australian kangaroo. So another animal style with principles and mechanics from Bajiquan, Piquazhang, Baguazhang, Hsing yi,
Muay Thai, Karate, Indonesian, martial arts, Kenpo and western boxing.
Along with animal mimicry of the kangaroo its strength, how holds its body and yes I’m Australian.
I’m working on my own breathing Chi Kung. Isometric training, like in Hung gar. Hard body, striking conditioning, striking trees, etc.
Ground, fighting and more.
So I’m understanding what it’s like to analyse a lot of these things because I’m creating a new martial art based in Australia.
I just thought of it, by Dominick's standard of if Wing Chun and boxing has ground game... It actually does. Especially Wing Chun. Since the whole point of Wing Chun's strikes is to be rooted to the ground to generate power, being on your back actually helps since you can deliver Wing Chun punches and stomping kicks to the opponent above in the same way you would push on a chest press or leg press machine. And if you are above the opponent, well, stomp on them or go ground pound
Izzo: You're a man after my heart. I did 20+ in LE (including undercover narc). I topped out at 5'8, but now post 60 I'm about 2 inches shorter. Thus, I powerlifted and followed with martial arts (all flowing from being an undersized kid and the youngest in my class). Love your attitude.
He’s awesome and sounds like you are awesome as well. Thanks for your time as a LEO
Appreciate you!
LOVE your channel!
THANK YOU!@@timkittle5418
This guy has a ground game. Says he will lay on his back and punch up lol. Perhaps this is why WC has such a bad record in MMA
Your mom has great ground game.
@@IzzoWingChun haha good one 😂
"Your mom" is the best reply to use in all circumstances.@@Sam-rb1id
I'm glad he came on the show and clarified the critiques of Wing Chun. I met a Wing Chun instructor that told me about different styles of Wing Chun 🤯 (not the politics of it). He was talking about knee fighting; that could combine well with Greco Wrestling. When I do Escrima, everyone thinks I know Wing Chun (which I don't), but after this video, I'm thinking 🤔 my extensive wrestling background combined with the other arts I've studied must just look like it to them.
What is the Difference between Grappling and Wrestling?
Same thing
When a direct lineage wing chun master gets beaten by a boxer using only ONE hand. It proves 'without a shadow of a doubt' Wing Chun is a scam. Ebd
I really liked Izzo before he made the a$$hole typical LEO comment about the guys name, Peanut, "I wanna report him to the local police department to see if he's around kids too much." What a total douche thing to say. Why would he make that assumption? Ridiculous.
Have you considered doing a video with Dan the wolfman?
I’ve interviewed him. I would love to do an interview person vid with him eventually
@@inside_fightingI swear you guys lookalike on some angles.
Long time BJJ practitioner here, Getting older and tired of my body feeling lousy from sparring much younger and heavier guys all the time. Thinking about taking Kung Fu locally. It seems like a close in style that will probably compliment BJJ. Seems like it would be good exercise and fun.
@inside_fighting IzzoWingChun is 100% right if I want to explore and dabble in other arts other than beyond your typical boxing Muay Thai wrestling bjj choices I go straight to you. With everything circulating about how any other art isn’t good and bs bc it’s not in MMA really is off putting, I enjoy all your content and u encourage me to explore out of my comfort zone entertain my thoughts about exploring other arts. 🙏🏽
That means a lot. Really appreciate that feedback and glad you found the channel
My Sifu doesn't lift weights either. He said he used to go to gym tp bulk up but he learnt how to build muscle without it. He keeps his muscles elastic so it allows him to move better. His power comes from the fascial which he spends a lot of time building.
Your Sifu may be quietly doing ligament & tendon strengthening, like spring energy.
@@MustAfaalik his technqiues do include that. He had found a way to use Nei Gong to work on the Fascial which then builds the muscles and keep them loose instead of having tight muscles like what happens by going to the gym. He is nearly 70 and his body is like mid 30 to 40 age
Please make a video on 'IWCO Full Contact Wing Chun' also known as 'Wing Chun Free Fight' ....... it's the legit full contact Wing Chun combat sport that NOBODY TALKS ABOUT !
If you train to get bigger muscles doesn't that slow you down??? What actually gave Bruce Lee enormous strength was training isometrics which is more aimed at giving you more strength than bigger muscles. Training for example with a bar attached to a chain attached to the ground and won't budge. But when applying your muscles and pulling upwards for as long as you can this puts tremendous strain on your arm muscles. Your muscles may become ripped but not big. Yes Bruce did train with weights but when he got bigger muscles he felt it slowed him down. And his wing chun he actually used up to the end from what Inosanto and other students have mentioned. Adam Chan here on TH-cam says that Bruce knew the most important parts of wing chun that he applied and was good at so it didn't really matter if he hadn't studied the whole curriculum because he knew the best parts
Good history on Bruce Lee is correct. Now, please.. Bruce Lee, as a kid got my into WC. Whilw watching this DePasquale and his son passed away. Wong Shun was his primary teacher, who was under Master Ip Man. It's the truth. Bruce Lee was a.mid, second form student. That is why he stated wing Chun was incomplete. What he should have said was his wing Chun was incomplete. No art has it all. I do BJJ now, and it's brutle on me at age 52. And beginning Judo tomorrow. Love this stuff too.
Iam doing wing chug, kuntao, open hand Kali and kick boxing. If u are smooth with it and are strong and fast then to the average person not trained u definitely be on top
The only problem i had with his chun is that it was not emotionally aggressive. A real mma guy would have been knocked him out.
I have read that there is a style of Wing Chun that engages from longer distances,called Law Family Snake Pattern Wing Chun, it has specific training exercises like Suen sao Snake hands,and Huen Sao.
I cannot find any description of how these exercises are or their training though.
Virtually all WC exchanges, should start from making contact off of the extended Lead Guard arm. The only difference, might be the use of a sidewards stance, to extend the lead guard hands reach. Of course, when you do such a thing.. you also tend to reduce the Safety Levels, and change the Mobility aspects. You may, for example, be far more prone to getting Countered... or a Trapped / Broken arm.
The thing people do not seem to understand.. is that if a angry dude wants to hit you... he has to charge into your range. A person that is angered enough to want to hit you... isnt going to fight like a sport fighter. Hes not going to hop around, and dance just outside of reach. Hes almost always going to rush in like a Bull... not even caring if he eats one of your strikes on the way in. But even the Trained fighters... when they are angered enough to want to fight you... they still tend to throw caution to the wind... and step in with serious intent to cause damages.
Most of what you are doing in WC.. is to provoke them into range... Safely finding and controlling their arms... and dismantling their Defensed + counterstriking them. Now, you can choose to Chase any fighter... but if a dude really doesnt want to fight you... they can find plenty of ways to escape your attempts... by matching your footwork opposingly.
That said... I do think its good to explore all of these arts methods, and compare them, and test them for yourself. Its only then, are you often Developing higher level understandings... often leading to higher level functionality.
Your are my "Desk Reference". I appreciate your approach and breakdown of your content. Thanks
WING CHUN - is an absolutely awesome martial art. If there was something better for the base that Bruce Lee used for his JKD - he would have used it. Love wing-chun. If performed correctly this art is effective against any style and will always enhance your own style
I totally disagree with Sifu Dominick's opinion regarding the Tae Kwon Do kicks used by this apparent Wing Chun contender. Those kicks aren't Wing Chun because number one, Wing Chun is a system of efficiency and uses a very specific engine to generate it's force and power in combat. Not only did the "Wing Chun" guy kick way too high which is not considered stable or smart to do in the Wing Chun system, it completely breaks the structure and alignment of his form and the triangular wedge you want to hone your frame and intention into. He also was not using the Wing Chun engine at all to generate the power for his kicks. Instead he employed sloppy, middling kickboxing techniques, which are not at all Wing Chun. His opponent was also too far away to do those kicks to. Tae Kwon Do kicks work best just outside grappling range not 7 feet away. He should also be squared against his opponent not in a side facing boxing stance. You can close in on your opponent using angles if you train proper footwork and drill it until it becomes a part of you and transforms the way you walk permanently. He used no Wing Chun footwork, or power generation. This was sloppy and sad.
They dont like people pointing out that ite absent in MMA, because it IS absent, because it IS ineffective against trained fighters. When you have to go to streetbeefs for a win, that says it all. Traditional martial arts is good hobby. I got 3 black belts myself in them over 30 years. But unless you fight properly, inside or outside a ring... its not doing anything.
Your guest is over 200lbs. Thats ok if hes fighting someone his height. If he fights someone his weight, like you do in the ring, you are fighting someone 6ft 2... and you better hope he cant fight
(15:40) agreed...
But, still... always try and conserve energy when possible...
His school is in NC. His Sifu is from Duncan Leung lineage. I have been to his school.
I’m not sure I agree with the Sao bao explanation of usage totally from Sifu Izzo. There are different Sao baos based upon what the bag is filled with. As a central space to diffuse energy back into a person, I’m not sure that’s the ideal. Is it possible? Perhaps. But one would never get a shot on someone that solid in order to sense that sort of absorption. I can’t see it happening.
Wing Chun, Taijiquan, Aikido, etc... seem to attract weak people looking to hide behind a rank, rather than fight nowadays. Back in the day, there were more people in these systems who were more willing to spar, fight, and test themselves. That's the only way to translate any art into a fighting system. You have to be willing to be hit, in order to get your subconscious to start using things you learn. There's no other way. Visualization should be a major part of your training all the way up from beginner to "master".
Good video guys.
So one thing I need to say here is in regards to the complete BS echoed ad nauseum from practitioners of martial arts who have a limited understanding of what it is they practice. I was a student of multiple Kung Fu styles starting from 1985 until the early 2000's. One of my first teachers I studied with, was in the Southern family of styles in the Kung Fu I practiced, Hung Gar, and Wing Chun. He said one of the stupidest things I ever heard said in MA but I didn't know it at the time. My old sifu said something very similar to what Dominick says here. He said "All things being considered equal the person who is bigger and stronger will always have the advantage and win in a fight". At the time I believed him and went to the gym at least 3 times a week, and took MA classes 6 days a week. Now in my late 50's and having a $hit ton more experience and knowledge, I realize just how incredibly incorrect that statement was and that kind of training will only work against unskilled opponents. The truth is The more relaxed a person is the more of an advantage they have against a skilled and unskilled opponent. Muscle strength always works against you in a fight. Muscle power is fleeting and very limited. It is also only effective against an unskilled opponent and unskilled opponents need to use brute strength in order to compensate for their lack of skill in their art. Muscular strength is only beneficial against an opponent who is giving you resistance. If you don't encounter resistance your muscles are useless. Also your muscles and strength deteriorates with age and that means the younger and stronger will always defeat you. So why bother training with a method that is only beneficial on smaller, older and weaker opponents. Instead a skilled MA trains to handle themselves under pressure and to not be a puppet to panic or the fight or flight response. They train to remain calm and relaxed during a fight and train to use as little tension and muscle as possible and instead develop their tendons, ligaments and the fascia which gives them an elastic or springy power and strength akin to a trampoline, that can be utilized for much longer amounts of time and uses far less effort. One needs to learn to fight smarter not harder. That said there is a huge difference between remaining relaxed, and being floppy like a noodle as there still needs to be a stretch occurring with the limbs throughout all ones movements while remaining relaxed.
I would like to look at it differently. All "classic" martial arts that often get a bad rep, fulfill a different role than mma/kickboxing etc. It is to get non-aggressive people in contact with martial arts in general. To widen the contact area and thereby also increasing the uptake of the few that really enjoy harder contact while giving the non-fighters a non-fearful relationship to physical confrontation and standing up against others if that makes any sense. I train Shotokan with my 2 sons, one needs it for coordination, body awareness, focus and self esteem and the other to blow of energy and to practice focusing. At 8 and 10 I don't expect them to compete or want them to hard spar but it's a part of their life and I believe it will serve them well. And in our dojo we have everything from very competitive fighters to delusional martial arts fans, from 6 to 80 yo and about 50/50 between the sexes. This might not be the most toughening environment but its where people learn the basics, punches, kicks, coordination, movement, distance management and a lot more, and then decide where to go in life.
I been doing Wing Chun for 30 years . I never understood either why people BS their students. My sifu Alan Goldberg taught us l stuff and in application and mindset that you're speaking of.
It used to be the in thing with all the films, hype, but then suddenly a lot of practicioners were exposed because the real lack of pressure testing, and to be fair that some things don't work well against other arts like grappling, wrestling, MMA. The Wing chun guys are to hung up on protecting their art and investment, rather than evolve. Like this guy, 235 in the vid, sure mass, power, vs endurance, speed, and when it comes down to it determination, heart.
Any wing chun practitioner can kick to their own ability and apply it from within awing chun framework. To be able to kick high is to anybodys advantage just from an awareness standpoint whether applied in combat or not. Understanding high kicks helps in defending against them.Could argue all day long about usefulness as technique and practicality. Even ahaymaker can have a place in one’s arsenal in actual combat. Defense is always priority. To hit and receive a blow in exchange is inferior from a technique and learning methodology standpoint.
(11:55) What is this??? :
I agree... if that wing-Chun kids actually studies, then he's just a beginner...
Oh and in the beginning, the dude threw his kick "off balance"...
First of all you can train all you like and never be a fighter. Wing Chun is effective at very close range, this guy hasn't a clue how to use his skill. Second, kicks are incredibly easy to avoid, they are slow cumbersome and all kicks land with an imbalance, he is fighting a kicking opponent and not controlling the legs, again weak. There is one kick which dominates ALL other kicks, that's the fast front kick, its capable of taking the force out of the kicking leg and the standing leg with fast quick strikes every single time an opponent tries to use their power. This guy fights with fear, get close, dominate his legs with the front kick, fast gentle work, its easy to stop a kick at the inception of its arc it has no force at all and requires none, second it requires rebalance every time you do it, allowing you to slap and strike behind it, Wing Chun is a close dominance skill. In the right hands its lethal, a kickboxer cant release a kick against a close in wing Chun fighter because he will just be ankle blocked, thigh blocks and kicked to his inner thigh on the standing leg every time he tries to use power. The truth of Wing Chun is while its a highly skillful art, it requires absolute confidence in your own art, it is the art of close up and personal dominion over an opponents movement. Standing off and show boating an opponent means you are afraid and don't trust your own ability to dominate up close. It doesn't matter how big the opponent is, if I strike his arm close to shoulder when he's throwing a punch, the punch is dead. if I strike his ankle as he raises the leg the kick is dead, if I strike his thigh before he gets the kick beyond the hip, his kick is dead and he will take pain. if I strike his standing leg as he kicks, the kick dies, he will take pain. If I control his hand not allowing him freedom to draw and release punches, his skill is gone. Wing Chun is badly misunderstood, in the RIGHT hands, its absolutely lethal. But the right hands are someone who steps in close, calm as a spring day and gently dominates every single movement his opponent tries to make never allowing him freedom to strike, never allowing him to generate power at all, and picking him off from the inside. To do that requires a fighters hearts and absolute confidence in your own capacity, it requires mastery and mentality. If you dont have that, Wing Chun cannot be employed as a stand off brute force skill and expect to come off well. This guy is trying to use Wing Chun as Muy Thai, its like trying to use a scalpel as a hammer, doesnt work.
I will admit Dominick Izzo really isn't the idea of a fast-moving Wing Chun guy so his talking about not prioritising a body type for speed and putting on muscles for strength is rather different than some regular generic Wing Chun guy.
Great insight from Dominick, I was listening closely to everything he said.
All I can do is offer my insight and hope it helps others on their path.
You dont need massive bulk, to have lethal impact potentials. And having strong grappling strength, does not guarantee that you dont eat a lethal strike, while trying to get your Grip. Now, if you already are big / bulky... there is nothing stopping you from doing a fast art.. slower. But, you will likely have to adapt to a certain degree.
Izzo also has likely Never taken a hit from an Internal Arts practitioner. At a mere 150 lbs, I was knocking out disrespectful fighters that were like 2x my own mass.. from my mostly extended LEAD guard hand... with less than 6" of travel, and I Never used more than about 15% of what I was capable of Generating / Delivering.
If you can KO someone at 15%, within 6 inches... You easily have Lethal potentials, at 3 or less inches, at a full 100%
Izzo does not know half as much as he "Thinks" he knows
I have never seen a real match or fight that a trained Wing Chun student actually used the blocks and rolling punches that you see demonstrated all over TH-cam. It’s the same thing with Aikido. I mean no disrespect. In my option it’s because you need a willing partner to allow you to perform the art. You don’t see Wing Chun or aikido tournaments where they test themselves against opponents. If you don’t test , then you don’t know.
(14:35) I agree...
It looks like he's in more of a "sparring" mentality & not an actual "physical confrontation / combat" mentality... (so to speak)
(25:50) agreed...
Why would someon want to, unless the size difference is that obvious an the bigger person is useto taking shots from more "bigger" opponents...
this kids in that sparring mindset because he can’t be in an assassins mindset during a sporting event... if he knows anything about the higher levels, he knows he can never walk into an octagon and be anything other than a sparring mode because once you get beyond that it can get lethal real quick
Wing Chun sport doesn't work. As a retired officer, and vet there is a transition one most learn, mentally, psychologically to have real intent. The fact that the WC doesn't doesn't represent a high standard of fighting application. But he looks able to be taught it.
That guy is hilarious, he just don't wanna admit Wing Chun isn't as affective as it is in the movies. Certain philosophies yes they apply to combat sports, but a lot of it will not work against real fighters with Sta d up and ground game.
People bring up that no karate or kung-fu guy won the ufc tournaments back in the day but neither did pure boxers or muay-thia fighters. But in those tournaments karate and kung-fu guys did knockout boxers and muay-thia guys on the feet
Any joe public after a few weeks of boxing or kickboxing training would merc any lifelong "wingchung master"
The Wing Chun guy is hitting clean but he doesn't have power punches that's his problem. He's missing bad intentions. His technique is beautiful though.
Martial arts is practicing fighting and those who practice something will naturally be better at it than those who don't. That said some forms of practice yield better results than others. Thai chi is practicing moving more than practicing fighting so don't expect to be good at fighting when you are practicing a different sport.
Did I hear you're 5'7 and 240 lbs?? I'm 5'7 and 180lbs how do you feel with that weight?
WIng Chun is underrated in combat sports I mean guys mark Phillips (fightscience on youtube) trains in wing chun and sanshou (along with BJJ) actually do fairly well in the UK MMA scene. I find the wing chun schools that also teach sanshou are the more legit, because they will be actually sparring.
Yea when they mix it up with other systems it starts to shine
(16:55) agreed...
Thats not a good representation of what "wing-chun" is capable of...
Hi, I do boxing. I don't know what gym told you not to lift weights. But everyone that does boxing needs to be lifting weights. What you don't want to do in boxing is 'bulking' e.g. eating a ton a food and gaining a ton of weight. You need to have the endurance to train for hours everyday.
I don’t think every style is perfect. I think the jet kun do philosophy is perfect. Having said that I think there are good things in wing chun that can be incorporated into the perfect fight game.
@inside fighting Izzo is correct your video breakdowns of other martial arts are amazing. Pretty sure ive watched every video youve made.
That’s awesome! I’m really appreciate to get that kind of feedback and knowing are getting something out of the channel.