Great video! I have been testing UW Solution myself these days and this video is priceless. Also, congrats on your recent top 8 with Finkula, another deck I love.
@@fpawluszmtg indeed. I have been also testing the UWr shell, but as you said, manabase is awful and it feels really clunky sometimes. I dont think Lightning Angel and bolt worth the pain of playing with Gemstone Mine and a myriad of painlands in a midrange deck. Now I am trying to make my mind up about what version is the best: the proactive one hyou are showing here or a more reactive one with Standstill (lets call it Tidestill I guess)
haha yeah, i was opp - it was really fun match! Letting masti live g3 definitely made me think he was short/cut some swords and I did overvalue the welder on the fof just like fpa intended, really well played! I'll be posting vid later from my pov, I think the cata was also very backbreaking at that point.
@@fpawluszmtg it never does. This format is so intriguing to me. I started playing in 98 and I used to play these decks when they were in standard. BTW, I'm an OG madness enthusiast as well. I played it for years in extended as well. Is it like tier 2 or 3 in this format?
@@seanswerdan7639 The more I play the format the more I am convinced that it is straight up the best format in Magic, period. I cannot recommend it enough. Madness with Survival is high tier 2, and a very underrated and under explored deck. Madness without Survival is probably tier 3, but I also think it's very under explored and potentially misbuilt (since people kind of revert back to building it exactly like back in the day, and it's very likely there are several changes that would need to be made in order to make it viable in a different format).
I take your list for tournament yesterday: Just I swap null rod for tefeiri’s réponse. 2/0 Rock 2/0 Tide control 2/1 Goblins 1/2 Tide control 2/0 Goblins Too bad the mu not diversified enought. I think the list is ok but Hard control is surely an problem, we have not enought threat for him. What would you change for the actually metagame ? Thanks and GG
Nice 4-1 result, congratulations! I am honestly not sure how to adapt this deck to the current meta, it just feels a bit too underpowered since I feel like the overall power level of the format has increased pretty significantly since I recorded this video. Also this is the kind of deck that thrives in a specific metagame, I don't think it will overall do well in a varied meta.
If you can make the mana work it could be interesting, but I am not sure if I'd say it could be "good", since the power level overall would be fairly low compared to what's possible in the format.
@@fpawluszmtg i will search the decklist. i played with it when the onslaught block first released and this is somehow the first version of the cycling deck before the mirrodin block was released. i find the aluren deck and the psychatog deck amusing and fun to play in premodern. although i wish the ug madness would be better (this is the deck i used to play previously)
then the destroy resolves and the leave the battlefield trigger goes on the stack. The leave the battlefield trigger goes on the stack and resolves before the exile lands has resolved at all. Then all exile land triggers resolve and there is not more leave the battlefield trigger from the tide because it is gone already.
The combo is with Disenchant/Bounce effects and Stifle. You can exile all of your opp's lands while holding priority and before all the exile triggers go on the stack you destroy/bounce the Tide. That makes it so the "all lands come back" trigger goes on the stack, and after that has happened THAT's when all the "exile your lands" triggers resolve, resulting in your opp's lands being exiled forever. With Stifle it works differently: you want to exile everything under the Tide, and once the "all lands come back" trigger goes on the stack you simply Stifle it, so the land don't come back. It's a very cool interaction that different decks in the format try to abuse in this way.
@@fpawluszmtg FYI, it’s Remi Ouellette who has been developing UW Solution. He’s also the one who came up with the first functional Patriot list. He’s had a hand in many different midrange and control decks of Premodern.
@@85mcarnold Thanks for pointing that out. I believe that I said in the video that it wasn't my idea, but I don't remember if I said Remi's name (and I definitely did not know their last name, haha). This list is a masterpiece!
Great video! I have been testing UW Solution myself these days and this video is priceless. Also, congrats on your recent top 8 with Finkula, another deck I love.
Thank you! I think the Solution shell has a lot of potential, and having a clean mana base by being straight UW is amazing.
@@fpawluszmtg indeed. I have been also testing the UWr shell, but as you said, manabase is awful and it feels really clunky sometimes. I dont think Lightning Angel and bolt worth the pain of playing with Gemstone Mine and a myriad of painlands in a midrange deck.
Now I am trying to make my mind up about what version is the best: the proactive one hyou are showing here or a more reactive one with Standstill (lets call it Tidestill I guess)
love the commentary !! so helpful
Glad you enjoyed it, and thanks for watching!
That Stax Devourer match had so many interesting decision points.
haha yeah, i was opp - it was really fun match! Letting masti live g3 definitely made me think he was short/cut some swords and I did overvalue the welder on the fof just like fpa intended, really well played! I'll be posting vid later from my pov, I think the cata was also very backbreaking at that point.
One of my favorite matches that I have played in a long time. Every minute of it was a delight!
@@thursdayisgod It was truly an amazing match, thank you so much for it! I hope it was interesting to see it from my point of view!
Amazing play and very nice deck! I will try it out!
Thank you! The deck was an absolute delight, this is EXACTLY my kind of the and it delivered on every imaginable way. Highly recommended!
Man! I remember playing decks loke this in old extended. It was great
Those gorgeous decks from old Extended now live in Premodern!
Awesome content 🚀 more premodern please
Always more Premodern content coming up!
I can't wait. I CANT WAIT!
AND IT DIDN'T DISAPPOINT!!! 😃
@@fpawluszmtg it never does. This format is so intriguing to me. I started playing in 98 and I used to play these decks when they were in standard. BTW, I'm an OG madness enthusiast as well. I played it for years in extended as well. Is it like tier 2 or 3 in this format?
@@seanswerdan7639 The more I play the format the more I am convinced that it is straight up the best format in Magic, period. I cannot recommend it enough.
Madness with Survival is high tier 2, and a very underrated and under explored deck. Madness without Survival is probably tier 3, but I also think it's very under explored and potentially misbuilt (since people kind of revert back to building it exactly like back in the day, and it's very likely there are several changes that would need to be made in order to make it viable in a different format).
man this list slaps, just tried it the other night
It really is super sweet! Happy you enjoyed it!
I take your list for tournament yesterday:
Just I swap null rod for tefeiri’s réponse.
2/0 Rock
2/0 Tide control
2/1 Goblins
1/2 Tide control
2/0 Goblins
Too bad the mu not diversified enought.
I think the list is ok but Hard control is surely an problem, we have not enought threat for him.
What would you change for the actually metagame ?
Thanks and GG
Nice 4-1 result, congratulations! I am honestly not sure how to adapt this deck to the current meta, it just feels a bit too underpowered since I feel like the overall power level of the format has increased pretty significantly since I recorded this video. Also this is the kind of deck that thrives in a specific metagame, I don't think it will overall do well in a varied meta.
This UW list looks cool. However, I am unable to let Lighting Angel go. I would probably jam eight red pain lands and upgrade knights to angels 😇😁
I understand that, for sure... However I don't think that the word "upgrade" really applies here, unfortunately
Would Morphling be good here? as you looked for a home for it recently...
Nah, I don't think so. This is mostly a White deck, and it's more on the "aggro/midrange" axis moreso than the "control" axis.
would be the red green white cycling would be viable in the premodern?
If you can make the mana work it could be interesting, but I am not sure if I'd say it could be "good", since the power level overall would be fairly low compared to what's possible in the format.
@@fpawluszmtg i will search the decklist. i played with it when the onslaught block first released and this is somehow the first version of the cycling deck before the mirrodin block was released. i find the aluren deck and the psychatog deck amusing and fun to play in premodern. although i wish the ug madness would be better (this is the deck i used to play previously)
why lands dont come back after parallax tide ?????
you stifle the come back trigger or destroy the tide in response to the last remove trigger
then the destroy resolves and the leave the battlefield trigger goes on the stack. The leave the battlefield trigger goes on the stack and resolves before the exile lands has resolved at all. Then all exile land triggers resolve and there is not more leave the battlefield trigger from the tide because it is gone already.
The combo is with Disenchant/Bounce effects and Stifle. You can exile all of your opp's lands while holding priority and before all the exile triggers go on the stack you destroy/bounce the Tide. That makes it so the "all lands come back" trigger goes on the stack, and after that has happened THAT's when all the "exile your lands" triggers resolve, resulting in your opp's lands being exiled forever. With Stifle it works differently: you want to exile everything under the Tide, and once the "all lands come back" trigger goes on the stack you simply Stifle it, so the land don't come back. It's a very cool interaction that different decks in the format try to abuse in this way.
Meddling Mage is so hot right now.
It really, really is
@@fpawluszmtg FYI, it’s Remi Ouellette who has been developing UW Solution. He’s also the one who came up with the first functional Patriot list. He’s had a hand in many different midrange and control decks of Premodern.
@@85mcarnold Thanks for pointing that out. I believe that I said in the video that it wasn't my idea, but I don't remember if I said Remi's name (and I definitely did not know their last name, haha). This list is a masterpiece!