No one ever: MBR: 2019 Jeffsy with 140mm fork and 140mm travel: Felt like an XC bike. 2020 Jeffsy with 150mm fork and 150mm travel: Still feels like an XC trail bike.
The Jeffsy is sick....My buddy just got the Commencal and is totally digging it. I say either bike is a winner with the Commencal leaning more towards someone want to ride more difficult terrain and the Jeffsy a little less tech.
I'm more confused by what exactly is a trail bike these days, there was one bike in their shop brought video that had 150mm travel with a 160mm fork, that's what my old 2017 trek slash had, and that's an enduro bike, my norco fluid 29er has 120mm travel with a 130mm fork, and I consider that a trail bike, it must be especially confusing for a new rider getting into mountain biking.
To much talk about tires, saddle comfort.... nothing about frame kinematics, geometry ect. I'm sorry guys but this test is weak. I own Jeffsy. Yes the frame is stiff, Yes it pedals great but calling it XC'ish is weird.
@@shasty3139 XC was probably not the best wording but I can see where he is coming from. The Jeffsy has very progressive suspension so even though the geometry is closer to an enduro bike the suspension can feel a bit harsh and ramp up too quickly when dealing with more technical/rougher sections (can feel like it has less travel, i.e. more XC), where other bikes can absorb rougher sections with more control and feel less harsh through using more travel and ramping up later in the stroke.
The Jeffsy is a mini enduro bike, to compare it to an XC bike is laughable , had to unsubscribe after half these inaccurate comments across all the bikes reviewed 😂
@@trailtalkmtb6603 That's a much more descriptive way of explaining how the bike feels for enduro purposes. Unfortunately such message was not conveyed in the review video except that the carbon frame felt too stiff. Thanks!
How come I've just purchased YT's "Trail bike" and its called IZZO. The Jeffsy described as XC is laughable. They say they use the same tyres to test all then slate the stock tyres.
Full minded individuals can obviously use these reviews to know what you do and don't want from a bike I have a bossnut frame but I've already swapped out half the parts to get a better ride that don't cost me the earth in one lump sum. That was due to following up reviews from MBR. Thanks guys.
Mountain Bike Rider come on guys. Wheel size is a spec choice like travel length or kinematics. You’re not gonna exclude linkage driven single pivot frames next year are you? Consumers are looking at price and performance/spec. Why is 27.5 not suitable for trail riding?
@@Will.Tilcke they answered that question on the shop bought bike test, they said they didn't test 27.5s because there wasn't enough changes from last year to justify testing them. I guess that means most brands haven't updated their 2019 frames.
Hi. I just got into pedaling MTB a few months ago and am I'm considering a Canyon Spectral 27.5. I currently have a Giant Trance 3 29er and now want to pick up a 27.5 and my budget is under $3k. Would you recommend the YT Jeffsy or the Canyon Spectral?
Josh Sobol I have not ridden a Jeffsy, so I can’t comment on how it performs. However, you probably can’t go wrong with either bike. I absolutely love my Spectral, so I’d recommend that over a jeffsy just because I personally know that the Spectral is amazing. I’m 5’ 9” and a medium fits me perfectly.
Josh Sobol i know you did ask but for me stepping down form 29 to 27.5 was amazing. But then again mabye its because im just short aha. [5,7] also the spectral is an epic bike. Loads of bang for buck. Good geo. And i havent ridden the yt but i must say that for the same prices similar geo and spec, the canyon just had some dope features! and its great for people new to working on their bikes as it doesnt actualy have internal cables. And to top it off 6 years warrenty
How about ditch this Paul character and just have Alan review consumer direct and shop bought bikes lol. Nobody wants to hear people employed in this industry complain about every little thing because they're used to riding a $7500 bike. Most of us would love to have any of these. Tbh, I'd love to even have rear suspension.
Yeah I was laughing at how they kept calling high end forks as noodly! My fork is 140 mm with 32 mm diameter. What would they call that? XD Btw as someone who just got his first full suspension, I can say it's a good choice if you like riding more aggressive terrain. Though I can't decide if it's because of the suspension or the all mountain geometry. I only had an XC Radon till this point which was super efficient for going the distance and up the hill, equally super easy to go over the bars when things go wrong downhill xD
@@James-yy4vl to be fair they said the YT was "more toward an XC Trail bike than an Enduro Trail bike" or something to that effect. And I can see why because typically you'd expect an Enduro to be 160:160 or above and a trail bike sits between XC and Enduro. I think he could have just said "a classic trail bike" instead tbh.
Also I discovered the reason the Spectral was left out is because of it being 27.5 and reviewed many times previously. Fair enough though I think it would have been better to leave it in as a bench mark or canon for a great trail bike. And they left in the Vitus even though that was unchanged.
@Mountain Bike Rider come on guys. Wheel size is a spec choice like travel length or kinematics. You’re not gonna exclude linkage driven single pivot frames next year are you? Consumers are looking at price and performance/spec. Why is 27.5 not suitable for trail riding?k
Too much focus on components. There are tons of individual components, this is a BIKE review, I’d rather have more information on how composed the geometry is, how the frame feels, what the characteristics of the rear suspension linkage is. Each manufacturer makes a ton of bikes at different price points, people can just choose the spec level they want according to their preferences, so stop griping about components.
Exactly! I don't give a fudge what tire compound came on the bike. We're all changing our tires (and grips and saddles) anyway. Don't review a bike based on the personal preference items. How good is the platform? Also, a bike that won last year and 2 years ago with the same componentry suddenly has all sorts of issues?
Like anyone is going to pick one bike or another due to the tyres it comes with, let alone grips. If I look into getting an XC bike in the future I'll check out the Jeffsy 🤣
lmao I love my jeffsy. Got the same one they show here. I use it on my texas flat trails and it EATS everything in the high mode. Then I flip it to low and hit the downhill. It's an amazing bike and they never even mentioned the flip-chip... SAD
The Radon looks like an aggressive, pre-21 HeiHei, which I still argue is one of the most underrated short travel 29rs around.....and a hell of a deal! Full Carbon, XT, Fox 34, 27lbs....all for around $4500 US. I picked my green machine up in the off season two yrs ago for just $3300. I saved so much, I couldn’t resist adding a Big Honzo to my ticket for a measly $1100 more. Still Love both! Direct to consumer is great, but if you’re patient, somewhat flexible and willing to put in a little time, you can often find equally good deals....if not better....at a shop.
I rode a 27.5 Slide for a few months and experienced that shorter geo that these and the Cube bikes have. My upper body strength is great and it worked out very well. The high top tube couldn't be forgiven but I think the newer models address this.
I own a 2020 Jeffsy comp 27.5 , with 160mm front and rear and I can tell you right now, it's absolutely NOT an XC bike. And yes, before you guys rip me a new one, yes I know they're reviewing 29ers here. Now, my Giant Talon 1, 29er hardtail IS an XC bike and the ONLY thing it does better than my Jeffsy is climb. This guy is a dork.
i like the stiffer frame of my yt comp, it just feels like a solid bike and makes me want to ride it harder compared to my Aluminum stumpjumper i had before
Considering the circumstances, these guys are doing their best still to put stuff out. I'm the MBR and Cycling Weekly video producer and I'm currently on furlough leave, the quality that these guys are doing without the video team is amazing
I think it probably would have helped if they had just recorded and uploaded it in 4k. Seems when I record with my gopro in 4k I get a lot better quality than this, but if I downscale it to HD and upload it TH-cam will poop on the quality and make it look like 90 style footage.
It's interesting. I have the Vitus in 27.5. never noticed the high bottom bracket. I check the geometry list, and on paper mine isn't high. Then I checked the geo of the 29er and it does have a higher bb and a longer chain stay. Love mine
I really like how u guys separated direct to consumer and brick and mortar bikes this year! Is this gonna be a regular thing in future bike of the year vids. Btw Jeffsy ain’t a XC bike haha
Perhaps I missed it but why did you chose the YT Jeffsy instead of the YT Izzo? The Izzo is YT's "trail" bike and the Jeffsy is their "all mountain" bike. Thank you.
@@igorstanojevic8880 Igor, is that really correct? The Jeffsy has 150 travel front whereas the Izzo has 130. YT calls the Jeffsy "all mountain" and the Izzo "trail."
John Panozzo I really dont know what they were on about when saying that the Jeffsy is an xc bike. It is more on the enduro side of trail whereas the Izzo is the one closer to xc
You guys just a blasted Vitus for having a high BB and seat tube again that’s too high! Yet you loved the Whyte s150 which also has high BB seat tube stand over. In fact so does the Commencal, Scott, GT that I know of! Why even test these bikes? One criteria you should have before you even add a bike into these tests is dropper seat post drop. Why waste your time testing 3 year old bikes? On a medium for instance a minimum of 160mm dropper spec’ed, that still fits the target height or the rider. I running a 185mm dropper on my Ibis Ripmo AF, cheaper than some your test bikes and boasts DW link and modern geo!
Esdubya 0 Ripmo AF seems like such a great bike! I wanted it so bad. None in stock anywhere when I was looking. Ended up with a Nukeproof Reactor comp for 2500 out the door. But I still fantasize about that Ripmo lol.
Did I miss something? Judging by these nasty comments you would think they had to pay to watch this review lol! Thanks for taking the time to make these vids guys, I enjoy them!
Yep it's so hard to split them now because all the bikes at this price point are brilliant. I get their points about the Jeffsy , to differentiate why they gave the Radon a better score. Me, I wouldn't buy a direct sales bike , as the only real way to decide is get a test ride
Where's the 27.5 bikes at? My favorite all around quiver is the Yeti SB 140. Id love to see a Transition scout, pivot 5.5, santa cruz 5010 and yeti 140 up against the top four of these bikes. My guess is they would equal the times made on aggressive XC or enduro runs.
It sounds like they just didn't want to have the YT win 2 years in a row. Reason for taking second was lame..."It has full carbon...so we gave the award to the half carbon bike. I just placed my order for the Jeffsy. Thanks for the review. YT is back to back champ in my book.
I read in some review that the rear end on radon is actually so flexy that the ruber touches the rear triangle in corners is that something you found as well? YT jeffsy rear is build like a tank .. similar to capra.
Schwalbe are so much better than Maxxis, minions came on my new ransom and they were the worst mtb tyres I’ve ridden, fitted Michelin wild enduros and they are unreal
Either he has no idea. Just read the spec sheet and thought he better bag it. Or the damping is slow or harsh at speed and he didn't know how to explain it.🤷 Also he's not a fan of Shimano.
Tbh I have no clue looking at this video (I've been mountain biking since the 90's). These trails do not look like they'd overwhelm any aspect of any of the bikes shown. They are really nit picking everything on this list, and the trails they are on seem to be not really difficult which is going to be difficult to really sort out which bike is different. Any of these bikes will be more capable than 95% of the riders riding them. I'd listen to their suggestions but research much more!
First, I love what yall do and will give a thumbs up!! Just some constructive criticism: Dive deeper into the bike like kinematics, flip-chip designs, linkage, etc. I just watched your other video reviewing top trail bikes of the year Part 1 and it was much better done. At the end of the day, you can rank any bike you want number 1, and ill respect that but it's hard to accept your choice when it seems to be based on small things. In part 1 video, the presenter went into every detail about each bike and why they were bad and why they were good and I LOVED IT. This video seemed a bit more opinion-based. I may be biased seeing as I have the Jeffrey 2020 comp dune grey so take my words with a grain of salt... I'm not trying to attack at all. Just some advice. Happy riding! Keep pumping out the great content!! (I have the jeffsy 27.5 with 160 mm front and rear and that thing is an effing mini enduro)
You guys need to turn the contrast and sharpening down on your camera. The on bike stuff is ok. But the interview style talking bits were really hard to watch. Always try to have light source behind the camera
Hi. I just got into pedaling MTB a few months ago and am I'm considering a Canyon Spectral 27.5. I currently have a Giant Trance 3 29er and now want to pick up a 27.5 and my budget is under $3k. Would you recommend the YT Jeffsy or the Canyon Spectral?
So the Vitus was amazing a couple of years ago and now it slowly slid down the ranks because the geometry remained the same, and suddenly you find the chain stay length too long and the BB too high...?
On the Escarpe, yes it has a high BB but really don't understand when he says that it pushes the weight forward because has a long chain stay so it gets uneasy going DH. As far as I know bikes are getting longer wheel base (over 1200mm for medium!) for stability on DH, and we've seen DH bikes at world cup level with chain stays extensions. I have an Escarpe VRX and had 150mm up front so maybe that extra cm helps with not feeling what he's describing. Not sure what the logic is in what he's saying. Also I don't see any of those bikes fitting a 170mm dropper, I see 120-150mm and that's what the Escarpe can fit.
Imagine you're standing on a bike in the neutral riding position. Now extend the rear centre while keeping the front centre the same. Your weight will now be further forward between the axles than it was before (everything else being equal). Now raise the BB, and your weight will be higher and further forward. Tip the bike forward as it would be going downhill, and you're weight balance will be too far over the front, so you will have to move your body weight further back to compensate. This will give you less range of motion and control over the bike.
@@MBRmagazine thanks for the explanation but I see that it works if you keep a neutral riding position which is an unlikely position a riders assume when going DH. With a DH body weight position the center of the mass is biased on the rear wheel and a longer chainstais helps counter the wheely effect in the front, so that's the explanation you may be looking for but that is a positive not as a negative. As I mentioned in my post, I cannot agree that a long bike gets nervous DH, especially the Escarpe which has the same wheelbase of a YT Capra, a Transition Sentinel, or an Ibis Ripmo which are known to be some of the most stable trail/AM rigs out there. I do a lot of bike park and steep mountain trails and the Escarpe calls for speed down hill. Also, the rear axle path is backward and forward, something you find in bikes like the new Specialized Enduro. I think I recall your review from 2018 saying that the Escarpe "urges" when the trail points down... And it is true! I find the high BB is more of an issue during cornering but that can get fixed by a good body position. I do appreciate the clearing of a high BB when I do mountain adventures hopping over rocks and trunks and having less pedal strikes than with my old Yeti Sb5.5 or Pivot Mach 429 Trail. You are absolutely right when you say that the fix for this bike would be addressing the seat tube. It needs steepening to a 76-78 degrees. Cheers!
Have a watch of the world's top DH riders, such as Loic Bruni. Loic doesn't change his body position/weight balance relative to the axles much at all. He keeps his head above the bars and stays low to the bike for maximum range of motion - always returning to that set neutral position. Also, the bike doesn't want to wheelie when you're going down hill, it wants to endo. Bikes want to wheelie uphill - which is why hillclimb dirt bikes have very long swingarms. If you have an Escarpe and you like it, then that's all that matters. Remember, we awarded it trail bike of the year a couple of years ago. Cheers.
@@MBRmagazine I see your point and yes you are right abut DH riders position; however, DH bikes geometries are made to put the rider in that body position. A trail bike is supposed to be an all around and on steep DH you have to shift your body over the rear wheel to counter the endo (or OTB). Ive ridden for 30 years I had Specialized, Yetis, Pivots, and Scotts, the Escarpe was a gamble purchase based on the low price and top shelf components. I used it at bike parks, local trails, Enduro trails and all-mountain adventures. This bike gave me huuuge confidence on jumps, drops, shutes, rock gardens. And yes, my purchase was also based on your review from a few years ago which seems in contradiction with this one. Well, let's end it here, disagreement w/out being disagreable is what make the mTb world better than many others. Keep up with your good work! Cheers
Lol yea I thought I missed the part where he talks positives. Just a bunch of complaining about his own personal preferences. I’ll take MBR reviews with a grain of salt from now on
Actually we'd argue that it makes it much clearer to assess the bikes against each other without the waters being muddied by wheel size. Last year's 27.5in wheel winner, the Canyon Spectral, is still an awesome trail bike and we'd thoroughly recommend it. If we had the resources to test five 27.5in trail bikes as well, we would have, but it's just not possible right now.
Mountain Bike Rider thanks for the reply . I totally understand the rationale behind separating reviews of 27.5 and 29 inch wheeled bikes. However, as a consumer who has previously owned a 29er I feel that not having any 27.5 bikes in your test doesn’t provide me with a full picture as to what is available this year that you would recommend .its a shame you didn’t have the resources etc to do a 27.5 trail bike of the year. Btw I do applaud you for separating the direct sales and shop bought bike categories
Mountain Bike Rider hopefully you can do both. That would be perfect especially if u can still differentiate the direct sales bikes from shop bought. Thanks
@@MBRmagazine I've been a long-time o/s subscriber to the mag hardcopy and enjoy it. Question for you: I get you can't test everything and I get last years' 27.5 gang are basically unchanged. So, why did you not chuck in the Spectral 27.5 into the mix with the 29ers? Seems like a shortcut way to answer which is the best bike across both wheel sizes. Simples, no?
Have to agree, this is not a trail bike comparison and is quite misleading as to what's available ... pushing 29ers might be your agenda but it's not what riding trail is about, it's about the best bike, not the most fashionable
@MountainBikeRider Looking at reviews for my price point £600 I see the Nucleus bike has great spec, will you be reviewing the new 2020 Carrera Fury with dropper post, air fork with 1x10 gearing shimano deore? The Vitus has went upto £550 where the Fury is £600 but can be discounted to around £540 and has the things that the review of the Vitus Nucleus said didn't have.
Question: is the stiffness in the yt jeffsy frame a xc thing og an enduro thing? - i got confused about the yt and did not buy it because of this review
Why match all the tires? You could have 2 different bikes ride almost exactly the same but put back on their original tires and the difference can be huge and a price different that is huge
Because for less than 5% of the total bike value, you can make or break a bike's performance. Also, levelling the playing field helps highlight more subtle differences in performanc, and gives comparable data when we measure the bikes (BB height).
@@MBRmagazine these are all entry level or second purchase bikes. I bought the Commencal Meta TR V4.2 based on this channel and others like it. Great bike but the average rider does not buy a second bike just to put on new tires to replicate test results. My first bike purchase was made poorly, my second bike purchase was off videos like these and comparing geometry my next bike purchase is either top spec or custom build. I would be pissed if a manufacturer knew this testing technique is a thing so they up the spec up parts and go cheap on the tires. Tests should be as is including saddles and grips, it lets the consumer know what they want, what they can afford to change, and what bike as is makes the most sense.
thought it was just me too. I made sure the quality was on 1080 but I was still squinting to watch this. Video was a little blurry during the action parts and they seem to be vary far away from the camera.
Comparing the geo from the Jeffsy to the Capra you'll see Capra is one degree more slack, 10 mm longer reach and there is only a 1 mm difference in wheel base. They also both have piggy back shocks, something you don't even see on many trail bikes, let alone an xc bike, so I think it's pretty unfair to make the claim, it feels more of an xc bike. Also I don't think anyone as ever claimed a bike to be too stiff. I feel like this video review wasn't properly thought through, and it ended up feeling almost misleading.
First you guys didn't include 27.5 bikes in the shop-bought category, and now you call the Jeffsy XC. Please review bikes on a fair playing field instead of nitpicking bikes that you like instead.
Yeah seen that. More movement in 29 bikes etc. But I don’t see why wheel size or whether it’s new for this year should make any difference. If it’s good in 2020, it’s good.
I want to see the tinkerers bike of the year. The best bike skeleton (frame and fork) that can be upgraded to be amazing down the road, new damper, rear shock, new brakes. The “bike skeleton of the year”
I feel like you want your bike to be stiff, so that your suspension can work properly. Flex in bikes causes deflection which is unpredictable, rather have your suspension do the work than frame in my opinion.
A very stiff frame is actually a bad thing and can be hard to ride because the bike will get deflected off obstacles (not every bump is hit square-on). Most top racers dial in a level of flex that gives them steering precision but lets the back end find the path of least resistance to a certain degree.
36 is now defined by Fox as all-mountain, whatever that means. Really it depends on the travel and wheel size - a 34 at 150mm travel for a 29er (which Fox doesn't sell aftermarket) is pretty noodly, whereas a 130 or 140mm 27.5in fork has a lot more bushing overlap and less leverage, so tends to work well.
In 2020 why are we still comparing bikes with contact points and tires? Everybody who’s not their buying 1st bike has their preferences and will change out! Everyone!
I don't understand why, if they were fitted control tyres, the reviewer talked about the tyres the bike comes with in every review. Yes, I understand they come fitted with different tyres from the supplier, but if you tested them all with control tyres, why is that a determinant in the review?
While it's definitely not the end of the world, what we're trying to say is that, when you've got two bikes that both ride great at the same price, and one has decent tyres and the other doesn't, then it's an element worth considering. A decent pair of tyres might set you back over £100, so it's not insignificant.
Ok, so wall of text. I love that you separated this categories in direct sales and brick and mortar bikes. This way to distinguish is great because doing it by price always means DS get better components and BM gets faster service and I feel that in the end you really are either DS or a BM buyer, depending heavily on mechanical skills and if you know what you want already. I think a really good review makes one able to choose a bike based on personal preference. on to the not so good parts. I want information and I love getting some opinions, but I dislike getting outright conclusions if they aren't based on some kind of initial discussion and let me decide if the conclusion goes in line with my own preferences. I feel MBR need more than a single guys opinion on these bikes. This review wasn't the greatest, seems the reviewer just put his personal preferences on top of 4 great bikes and chose the one that suited his riding style most. For example, the frame compliance. So, now we know that often alloy backends are more compliant than carbon, but this wasn't mentioned properly by the reviewer. The correlation between compliance and material wasn't mentioned, and since you can also get an alloy version of Jeffsy why not give the viewer some insights on material choice? Also, now that the Jeffsy isn't a trailbike but an XC bike, is Izzo a gravel bike? Just wondering. Trailbikes are supposedly the most versatile bike, yet it seems the reviewer really caters a very small segment of people who have access to the most burly trails imaginable. Otherwise I don't think Jeffsy can possibly be put in the XC category. I just don't think this review hits the mark. I think it's alright to say that the geo is slightly dated if you feel that, the HA is a bit steep by modern standards or something founded in objective reality, but I feel that just stating it's for XC misses the whole point of trailbikes by a mile. On a technical note, you should try to get a better camera and record/upload in 4k. Sounds is really good, but image quality is potato. Anyway, enjoyed the review for the laughs and it's always nice with a new opinion pieces.
I know this is nothing to do with this but I'm putting new groupset on both my bikes, I have sram NX on both, I don't know if I should go sram x01 or shimano xtr I can't decide, anyone?
@@MBRmagazine it would be really cool if you could mount a go pro or some other smallish camera to see how various suspension works on a variety of trails. Like zoomed in on the suspension action paired with maybe the bikes g forces. Some systems do well with big hits, others great on chatty stuff and so on. Most cell phones have accerelometers in them and you'd probably can strap an Android to the frame to get a good comparison. It's tough to watch a video of someone riding a trail that wasn't in the test and anecdotally speaking to the attributes of the bikes suspension (it's highly subjective to the rider). Just isn't very convincing to the viewer of your video. I'm a dork though so whatever's.
No one ever:
MBR:
2019 Jeffsy with 140mm fork and 140mm travel: Felt like an XC bike.
2020 Jeffsy with 150mm fork and 150mm travel: Still feels like an XC trail bike.
Exactly imo the Jeffsy has gotten too burly over the years.
Not exactly inspiring confidence in the review's findings.
Piotr Sulej The CF Pro is an amazing bike. I bought the 2020 and absolutely love it.
The Jeffsy is sick....My buddy just got the Commencal and is totally digging it. I say either bike is a winner with the Commencal leaning more towards someone want to ride more difficult terrain and the Jeffsy a little less tech.
I'm more confused by what exactly is a trail bike these days, there was one bike in their shop brought video that had 150mm travel with a 160mm fork, that's what my old 2017 trek slash had, and that's an enduro bike, my norco fluid 29er has 120mm travel with a 130mm fork, and I consider that a trail bike, it must be especially confusing for a new rider getting into mountain biking.
To much talk about tires, saddle comfort.... nothing about frame kinematics, geometry ect. I'm sorry guys but this test is weak. I own Jeffsy. Yes the frame is stiff, Yes it pedals great but calling it XC'ish is weird.
Yeah totally agree,
new Jeffsy is 90% enduro bike.
if you're not riding it on enduro trails - you're doing it wrong really...
@@aadgbe I have the same bike shown in the review and totally agree with you
@@thoroslin520 slap a coil on it (like I intend to) and it's a monster truck
Everyone says the YT jefsy is a mini enduro bike and this guy says it's on the xc side... wtf?
As in it pedals great and has tight, progressive suspension.
@@MBRmagazine Literally your words at 13:42 "It's still more of an XC bike, it hasn't got that capability of an enduro trail bike"
@@shasty3139 XC was probably not the best wording but I can see where he is coming from. The Jeffsy has very progressive suspension so even though the geometry is closer to an enduro bike the suspension can feel a bit harsh and ramp up too quickly when dealing with more technical/rougher sections (can feel like it has less travel, i.e. more XC), where other bikes can absorb rougher sections with more control and feel less harsh through using more travel and ramping up later in the stroke.
The Jeffsy is a mini enduro bike, to compare it to an XC bike is laughable , had to unsubscribe after half these inaccurate comments across all the bikes reviewed 😂
@@trailtalkmtb6603 That's a much more descriptive way of explaining how the bike feels for enduro purposes. Unfortunately such message was not conveyed in the review video except that the carbon frame felt too stiff. Thanks!
How come I've just purchased YT's "Trail bike" and its called IZZO. The Jeffsy described as XC is laughable. They say they use the same tyres to test all then slate the stock tyres.
I thought that. What a joke
Izzo ftw
Looking forward to seeing Nino Schurter winning the next World Cup on a jeffsy.
Truly an XC-ish rig...
150mm xc bike. Riiiiight.
X trail
Respect the reviewer opinion. But how exactly is the jeffsy on the XC side?! Its more capable downhill than my santa cruz Hightower!
Full minded individuals can obviously use these reviews to know what you do and don't want from a bike I have a bossnut frame but I've already swapped out half the parts to get a better ride that don't cost me the earth in one lump sum. That was due to following up reviews from MBR. Thanks guys.
this guy doesnt have a clue how to review for the whole market and nitpicks due to his own personal preferences
Exactly.
right
Yes, this review was plain weird.
yeahhh
It's almost as if mtb reviews were subjective by nature...🤔
Why didn´t you test fx Canyon and Propain?
Canyon Spectral is 27.5in only. We couldn’t get a Propain in time.
27.5>29
Mountain Bike Rider come on guys. Wheel size is a spec choice like travel length or kinematics. You’re not gonna exclude linkage driven single pivot frames next year are you? Consumers are looking at price and performance/spec. Why is 27.5 not suitable for trail riding?
@@Will.Tilcke they answered that question on the shop bought bike test, they said they didn't test 27.5s because there wasn't enough changes from last year to justify testing them. I guess that means most brands haven't updated their 2019 frames.
Or just buy a Canyon Spectral. Keep an eye on their outlet store, they run deals often. The spectral pedals well and descents amazingly. I love mine
Josh Dyer yessss i got oneee
27.5>29
Hi. I just got into pedaling MTB a few months ago and am I'm considering a Canyon Spectral 27.5. I currently have a Giant Trance 3 29er and now want to pick up a 27.5 and my budget is under $3k. Would you recommend the YT Jeffsy or the Canyon Spectral?
Josh Sobol I have not ridden a Jeffsy, so I can’t comment on how it performs. However, you probably can’t go wrong with either bike. I absolutely love my Spectral, so I’d recommend that over a jeffsy just because I personally know that the Spectral is amazing. I’m 5’ 9” and a medium fits me perfectly.
@@joshdyer9465 Thank you!
Josh Sobol i know you did ask but for me stepping down form 29 to 27.5 was amazing. But then again mabye its because im just short aha. [5,7] also the spectral is an epic bike. Loads of bang for buck. Good geo. And i havent ridden the yt but i must say that for the same prices similar geo and spec, the canyon just had some dope features! and its great for people new to working on their bikes as it doesnt actualy have internal cables. And to top it off 6 years warrenty
How about ditch this Paul character and just have Alan review consumer direct and shop bought bikes lol. Nobody wants to hear people employed in this industry complain about every little thing because they're used to riding a $7500 bike. Most of us would love to have any of these. Tbh, I'd love to even have rear suspension.
Yeah I was laughing at how they kept calling high end forks as noodly! My fork is 140 mm with 32 mm diameter. What would they call that? XD
Btw as someone who just got his first full suspension, I can say it's a good choice if you like riding more aggressive terrain. Though I can't decide if it's because of the suspension or the all mountain geometry. I only had an XC Radon till this point which was super efficient for going the distance and up the hill, equally super easy to go over the bars when things go wrong downhill xD
Love the approach but some odd omissions from this list of direct sale trail bikes. Why no Spectral or Hugene?
If they think the jeffsy is xc bike they probably thought the spectral was a gravel bike so didn’t consider it
@@James-yy4vl to be fair they said the YT was "more toward an XC Trail bike than an Enduro Trail bike" or something to that effect. And I can see why because typically you'd expect an Enduro to be 160:160 or above and a trail bike sits between XC and Enduro. I think he could have just said "a classic trail bike" instead tbh.
Also I discovered the reason the Spectral was left out is because of it being 27.5 and reviewed many times previously. Fair enough though I think it would have been better to leave it in as a bench mark or canon for a great trail bike. And they left in the Vitus even though that was unchanged.
No Bird Aether 7 either, just because it's a 27.5.....????
@Mountain Bike Rider come on guys. Wheel size is a spec choice like travel length or kinematics. You’re not gonna exclude linkage driven single pivot frames next year are you? Consumers are looking at price and performance/spec. Why is 27.5 not suitable for trail riding?k
Too much focus on components. There are tons of individual components, this is a BIKE review, I’d rather have more information on how composed the geometry is, how the frame feels, what the characteristics of the rear suspension linkage is. Each manufacturer makes a ton of bikes at different price points, people can just choose the spec level they want according to their preferences, so stop griping about components.
Exactly! I don't give a fudge what tire compound came on the bike. We're all changing our tires (and grips and saddles) anyway. Don't review a bike based on the personal preference items. How good is the platform? Also, a bike that won last year and 2 years ago with the same componentry suddenly has all sorts of issues?
Like anyone is going to pick one bike or another due to the tyres it comes with, let alone grips. If I look into getting an XC bike in the future I'll check out the Jeffsy 🤣
lmao I love my jeffsy. Got the same one they show here. I use it on my texas flat trails and it EATS everything in the high mode. Then I flip it to low and hit the downhill. It's an amazing bike and they never even mentioned the flip-chip... SAD
The Radon looks like an aggressive, pre-21 HeiHei, which I still argue is one of the most underrated short travel 29rs around.....and a hell of a deal! Full Carbon, XT, Fox 34, 27lbs....all for around $4500 US. I picked my green machine up in the off season two yrs ago for just $3300. I saved so much, I couldn’t resist adding a Big Honzo to my ticket for a measly $1100 more. Still Love both!
Direct to consumer is great, but if you’re patient, somewhat flexible and willing to put in a little time, you can often find equally good deals....if not better....at a shop.
I lost all interest in this review when the they described the Jeffsy as a more XC bike...
Propain Hugene ist really missing in this test
As is the spectral or the neuron.
Not familiar with the brand, I thought they had another reviewer named Propain Hugene.
You should do a 27.5 comparison where you compare the Bronson vs. Remady vs. Spectral
Yes!! 27.5 isn’t dead
currently deciding between the bronson and the spectral my self, the frame issues is steering me away from canyon
27.5>29
Radon Slide Trail 29" is great -- if you're
I rode a 27.5 Slide for a few months and experienced that shorter geo that these and the Cube bikes have. My upper body strength is great and it worked out very well. The high top tube couldn't be forgiven but I think the newer models address this.
I'm 182cm are you suggesting the XL Radon for me? I usually am spot on for the L in most frame sizing.
Thanks
I own a 2020 Jeffsy comp 27.5 , with 160mm front and rear and I can tell you right now, it's absolutely NOT an XC bike.
And yes, before you guys rip me a new one, yes I know they're reviewing 29ers here.
Now, my Giant Talon 1, 29er hardtail IS an XC bike and the ONLY thing it does better than my Jeffsy is climb.
This guy is a dork.
i like the stiffer frame of my yt comp, it just feels like a solid bike and makes me want to ride it harder compared to
my Aluminum stumpjumper i had before
It’s 2020 yet the camera quality is not top notch, should get more criticism that the yt that is too “XC”
Considering the circumstances, these guys are doing their best still to put stuff out. I'm the MBR and Cycling Weekly video producer and I'm currently on furlough leave, the quality that these guys are doing without the video team is amazing
Andrew Daley understandable 👍
haha
I think it probably would have helped if they had just recorded and uploaded it in 4k. Seems when I record with my gopro in 4k I get a lot better quality than this, but if I downscale it to HD and upload it TH-cam will poop on the quality and make it look like 90 style footage.
Seriously the worst lighting I've ever seen. Just turn around so the sun is on your faces and bike.
It's interesting. I have the Vitus in 27.5. never noticed the high bottom bracket. I check the geometry list, and on paper mine isn't high. Then I checked the geo of the 29er and it does have a higher bb and a longer chain stay.
Love mine
Simon Arends 27.5>29
@@finleybakerwhite3953 I mean not necessarily. Totally depends on the rider and terrain
I like your testing routine. Also the review feels more grounded than just dropping data sheet numbers and marketing bla bla. Thumbs up!
Thanks
Damn, nice Radon
Still on that 2012 version.
Been riding it for so long, they should hook me up with a current version one!
I really like how u guys separated direct to consumer and brick and mortar bikes this year! Is this gonna be a regular thing in future bike of the year vids. Btw Jeffsy ain’t a XC bike haha
Yes, we will probably do the same thing next year in the Trail Bike test.
Yeah I loved that too, I think other reviewer should do this format too, except if possible also add 27.5 too.
I have commencal meta trail. The wide chainstay is not a problem for me.
Perhaps I missed it but why did you chose the YT Jeffsy instead of the YT Izzo? The Izzo is YT's "trail" bike and the Jeffsy is their "all mountain" bike. Thank you.
The Izzo hadn’t been launched at the time of the test. 👍
Didn t you listen, jeffsy is a more xc bike😂😂
@@MBRmagazine Thank you.
@@igorstanojevic8880 Igor, is that really correct? The Jeffsy has 150 travel front whereas the Izzo has 130. YT calls the Jeffsy "all mountain" and the Izzo "trail."
John Panozzo I really dont know what they were on about when saying that the Jeffsy is an xc bike. It is more on the enduro side of trail whereas the Izzo is the one closer to xc
You guys just a blasted Vitus for having a high BB and seat tube again that’s too high! Yet you loved the Whyte s150 which also has high BB seat tube stand over. In fact so does the Commencal, Scott, GT that I know of! Why even test these bikes?
One criteria you should have before you even add a bike into these tests is dropper seat post drop.
Why waste your time testing 3 year old bikes?
On a medium for instance a minimum of 160mm dropper spec’ed, that still fits the target height or the rider.
I running a 185mm dropper on my Ibis Ripmo AF, cheaper than some your test bikes and boasts DW link and modern geo!
Esdubya 0 Ripmo AF seems like such a great bike! I wanted it so bad. None in stock anywhere when I was looking. Ended up with a Nukeproof Reactor comp for 2500 out the door. But I still fantasize about that Ripmo lol.
how come the canyon spectral wasn't in the test
I assume that they only wanted to include 29ers in the video as they said in part one.
Because all of the other bikes were 29ers. Have a look at the start of part one and we explain the rationale. 👍
Because it would have won again 😂
We said at the start of the first video that it’s still an amazing bike and there wasn’t a lot of point in repeating ourselves for a third time.
@@MBRmagazine mine AL 6.0 arrives tomorrow!!!
Why is the Rose Root Miller not tested anywhere? Looks great on paper.
Hi from Italy... have U done a comparison between shop-bought and direct-sales bikes winners ( maybe including the 2nd place)?
Did I miss something? Judging by these nasty comments you would think they had to pay to watch this review lol! Thanks for taking the time to make these vids guys, I enjoy them!
Yep it's so hard to split them now because all the bikes at this price point are brilliant. I get their points about the Jeffsy , to differentiate why they gave the Radon a better score.
Me, I wouldn't buy a direct sales bike , as the only real way to decide is get a test ride
Where's the 27.5 bikes at? My favorite all around quiver is the Yeti SB 140. Id love to see a Transition scout, pivot 5.5, santa cruz 5010 and yeti 140 up against the top four of these bikes. My guess is they would equal the times made on aggressive XC or enduro runs.
Are you guys going to do a 2020 Hardtail of the year?
It would have been great if you could do a review of the Propain Hugene.
We’ll try and get one to test 👍
Mountain Bike Rider Thank you! I think lots of people would be interested!
Agree with the comments below, and reiterate - the YT Izzo is their new trail bike. How come that's not even mentioned?
Because the Izzo hadn't been released at the time we did the test. The video was shot later after COVID restrictions had been relaxed.
Yeah I'm liking radon. Can you do a 27.5 version?
In part 1 video for Bike shop brands they said they wont be doing a 27.5 shootout this year 😟
Harris777 the jab is 27.5
It sounds like they just didn't want to have the YT win 2 years in a row. Reason for taking second was lame..."It has full carbon...so we gave the award to the half carbon bike. I just placed my order for the Jeffsy. Thanks for the review. YT is back to back champ in my book.
And that's fine. The Jeffsy is a killer bike and you'll have a great time on it. Enjoy.
You can’t do a “of the year” and not dive deep enough to uncover kinematics and geometrical figures.
I read in some review that the rear end on radon is actually so flexy that the ruber touches the rear triangle in corners is that something you found as well? YT jeffsy rear is build like a tank .. similar to capra.
Yes, the rear end of the Radon is quite flexy, especially compared to the Jeffsy - not so bad that it rubbed the stays for us though.
Schwalbe are so much better than Maxxis, minions came on my new ransom and they were the worst mtb tyres I’ve ridden, fitted Michelin wild enduros and they are unreal
Help. What does it mean “the fork is overwhelmed”?
Either he has no idea. Just read the spec sheet and thought he better bag it. Or the damping is slow or harsh at speed and he didn't know how to explain it.🤷
Also he's not a fan of Shimano.
Tbh I have no clue looking at this video (I've been mountain biking since the 90's). These trails do not look like they'd overwhelm any aspect of any of the bikes shown.
They are really nit picking everything on this list, and the trails they are on seem to be not really difficult which is going to be difficult to really sort out which bike is different.
Any of these bikes will be more capable than 95% of the riders riding them.
I'd listen to their suggestions but research much more!
Big mistake excluding Canyon, 27.5 or not. Want to see how they compare in riding and value.
First, I love what yall do and will give a thumbs up!!
Just some constructive criticism: Dive deeper into the bike like kinematics, flip-chip designs, linkage, etc. I just watched your other video reviewing top trail bikes of the year Part 1 and it was much better done. At the end of the day, you can rank any bike you want number 1, and ill respect that but it's hard to accept your choice when it seems to be based on small things. In part 1 video, the presenter went into every detail about each bike and why they were bad and why they were good and I LOVED IT. This video seemed a bit more opinion-based. I may be biased seeing as I have the Jeffrey 2020 comp dune grey so take my words with a grain of salt... I'm not trying to attack at all. Just some advice. Happy riding! Keep pumping out the great content!!
(I have the jeffsy 27.5 with 160 mm front and rear and that thing is an effing mini enduro)
is the next sized bikes coming soon? 150mm-180mm travel ?
So between the 2 winners, which one is better?
To bad its borderline impossible to get a Radon bike to the us without it costing an arm and a leg.
You guys need to turn the contrast and sharpening down on your camera. The on bike stuff is ok. But the interview style talking bits were really hard to watch. Always try to have light source behind the camera
We’re looking into why the interview stuff was poor quality. Bright sun definitely didn’t help. 👍
Can't wait to ride my 27.5 160mm travel Jeffsy xc bike with maxxis Minions today
Does anyone know what kind of helmet the guy is wearing?? Looks amazing!
It’s an Alpinestars helmet 👍
I had to check 3 times that this was on 1080p, what's happened to your bitrate?!
Hi. I just got into pedaling MTB a few months ago and am I'm considering a Canyon Spectral 27.5. I currently have a Giant Trance 3 29er and now want to pick up a 27.5 and my budget is under $3k. Would you recommend the YT Jeffsy or the Canyon Spectral?
Both are great bikes. In fact the Spectral won our trail bike of the year test last year, and the year before.
@@MBRmagazine Thank you for the reply! That is a huge help! Cheers and take care. Stay safe in 2020!
So the Vitus was amazing a couple of years ago and now it slowly slid down the ranks because the geometry remained the same, and suddenly you find the chain stay length too long and the BB too high...?
Tom Bishop oh, another small man with a big keyboard.
Nice work guys and gals... Liked the format of this. And that Radon is deffo noice to look at... :D
Thanks!
I dont like the frame to be honest , from design point of view the front triangle doesn look pleasing to my eyes.
On the Escarpe, yes it has a high BB but really don't understand when he says that it pushes the weight forward because has a long chain stay so it gets uneasy going DH. As far as I know bikes are getting longer wheel base (over 1200mm for medium!) for stability on DH, and we've seen DH bikes at world cup level with chain stays extensions. I have an Escarpe VRX and had 150mm up front so maybe that extra cm helps with not feeling what he's describing. Not sure what the logic is in what he's saying. Also I don't see any of those bikes fitting a 170mm dropper, I see 120-150mm and that's what the Escarpe can fit.
Imagine you're standing on a bike in the neutral riding position. Now extend the rear centre while keeping the front centre the same. Your weight will now be further forward between the axles than it was before (everything else being equal). Now raise the BB, and your weight will be higher and further forward. Tip the bike forward as it would be going downhill, and you're weight balance will be too far over the front, so you will have to move your body weight further back to compensate. This will give you less range of motion and control over the bike.
@@MBRmagazine thanks for the explanation but I see that it works if you keep a neutral riding position which is an unlikely position a riders assume when going DH. With a DH body weight position the center of the mass is biased on the rear wheel and a longer chainstais helps counter the wheely effect in the front, so that's the explanation you may be looking for but that is a positive not as a negative. As I mentioned in my post, I cannot agree that a long bike gets nervous DH, especially the Escarpe which has the same wheelbase of a YT Capra, a Transition Sentinel, or an Ibis Ripmo which are known to be some of the most stable trail/AM rigs out there. I do a lot of bike park and steep mountain trails and the Escarpe calls for speed down hill. Also, the rear axle path is backward and forward, something you find in bikes like the new Specialized Enduro. I think I recall your review from 2018 saying that the Escarpe "urges" when the trail points down... And it is true!
I find the high BB is more of an issue during cornering but that can get fixed by a good body position. I do appreciate the clearing of a high BB when I do mountain adventures hopping over rocks and trunks and having less pedal strikes than with my old Yeti Sb5.5 or Pivot Mach 429 Trail.
You are absolutely right when you say that the fix for this bike would be addressing the seat tube. It needs steepening to a 76-78 degrees.
Cheers!
Have a watch of the world's top DH riders, such as Loic Bruni. Loic doesn't change his body position/weight balance relative to the axles much at all. He keeps his head above the bars and stays low to the bike for maximum range of motion - always returning to that set neutral position. Also, the bike doesn't want to wheelie when you're going down hill, it wants to endo. Bikes want to wheelie uphill - which is why hillclimb dirt bikes have very long swingarms. If you have an Escarpe and you like it, then that's all that matters. Remember, we awarded it trail bike of the year a couple of years ago. Cheers.
@@MBRmagazine I see your point and yes you are right abut DH riders position; however, DH bikes geometries are made to put the rider in that body position. A trail bike is supposed to be an all around and on steep DH you have to shift your body over the rear wheel to counter the endo (or OTB). Ive ridden for 30 years I had Specialized, Yetis, Pivots, and Scotts, the Escarpe was a gamble purchase based on the low price and top shelf components. I used it at bike parks, local trails, Enduro trails and all-mountain adventures. This bike gave me huuuge confidence on jumps, drops, shutes, rock gardens. And yes, my purchase was also based on your review from a few years ago which seems in contradiction with this one. Well, let's end it here, disagreement w/out being disagreable is what make the mTb world better than many others. Keep up with your good work! Cheers
Listening to his complaints just seems like pure waffling
Lol yea I thought I missed the part where he talks positives. Just a bunch of complaining about his own personal preferences. I’ll take MBR reviews with a grain of salt from now on
Trying to buy these mtb’s where i live is like trying to capture a unicorn.
Excluding 27.5 wheeled bikes is a big mistake and really compromises the validity of your conclusions. Very disappointing
Actually we'd argue that it makes it much clearer to assess the bikes against each other without the waters being muddied by wheel size. Last year's 27.5in wheel winner, the Canyon Spectral, is still an awesome trail bike and we'd thoroughly recommend it. If we had the resources to test five 27.5in trail bikes as well, we would have, but it's just not possible right now.
Mountain Bike Rider thanks for the reply . I totally understand the rationale behind separating reviews of 27.5 and 29 inch wheeled bikes. However, as a consumer who has previously owned a 29er I feel that not having any 27.5 bikes in your test doesn’t provide me with a full picture as to what is available this year that you would recommend .its a shame you didn’t have the resources etc to do a 27.5 trail bike of the year.
Btw I do applaud you for separating the direct sales and shop bought bike categories
Thanks. Next year we may shake up the wheel sizes again, who knows. Or, hopefully, we may have the resources to do both.
Mountain Bike Rider hopefully you can do both. That would be perfect especially if u can still differentiate the direct sales bikes from shop bought. Thanks
@@MBRmagazine I've been a long-time o/s subscriber to the mag hardcopy and enjoy it. Question for you: I get you can't test everything and I get last years' 27.5 gang are basically unchanged. So, why did you not chuck in the Spectral 27.5 into the mix with the 29ers? Seems like a shortcut way to answer which is the best bike across both wheel sizes. Simples, no?
Have to agree, this is not a trail bike comparison and is quite misleading as to what's available ... pushing 29ers might be your agenda but it's not what riding trail is about, it's about the best bike, not the most fashionable
If you watch the intro to the first video we explain the rationale for focusing on 29ers.
Will there be a hardtail of the year?
We’re trying to get enough bikes to make it happen, but it’s difficult at the moment with availability. Hopefully!
Ummm, Canyon? Propain?
Bird?
When will Zerode be in this? Standard drivetrains limit ride feel
When comparing the fork, "being a step below from last year" is not what we want to hear, but how it felt ...
@MountainBikeRider
Looking at reviews for my price point £600 I see the Nucleus bike has great spec, will you be reviewing the new 2020 Carrera Fury with dropper post, air fork with 1x10 gearing shimano deore? The Vitus has went upto £550 where the Fury is £600 but can be discounted to around £540 and has the things that the review of the Vitus Nucleus said didn't have.
How can you have a Direct Sales comparison without an entry from Bird Cycleworks?
Question: is the stiffness in the yt jeffsy frame a xc thing og an enduro thing? - i got confused about the yt and did not buy it because of this review
Why match all the tires? You could have 2 different bikes ride almost exactly the same but put back on their original tires and the difference can be huge and a price different that is huge
Because for less than 5% of the total bike value, you can make or break a bike's performance. Also, levelling the playing field helps highlight more subtle differences in performanc, and gives comparable data when we measure the bikes (BB height).
@@MBRmagazine these are all entry level or second purchase bikes. I bought the Commencal Meta TR V4.2 based on this channel and others like it. Great bike but the average rider does not buy a second bike just to put on new tires to replicate test results. My first bike purchase was made poorly, my second bike purchase was off videos like these and comparing geometry my next bike purchase is either top spec or custom build. I would be pissed if a manufacturer knew this testing technique is a thing so they up the spec up parts and go cheap on the tires. Tests should be as is including saddles and grips, it lets the consumer know what they want, what they can afford to change, and what bike as is makes the most sense.
No canyon? The strive for instance. Awesome bikes that ride absolutely amazing but no on seems to review them much.
Is it just me or is the picture Quality real poor
thought it was just me too. I made sure the quality was on 1080 but I was still squinting to watch this. Video was a little blurry during the action parts and they seem to be vary far away from the camera.
Comparing the geo from the Jeffsy to the Capra you'll see Capra is one degree more slack, 10 mm longer reach and there is only a 1 mm difference in wheel base. They also both have piggy back shocks, something you don't even see on many trail bikes, let alone an xc bike, so I think it's pretty unfair to make the claim, it feels more of an xc bike. Also I don't think anyone as ever claimed a bike to be too stiff. I feel like this video review wasn't properly thought through, and it ended up feeling almost misleading.
Yes, we should have expanded on that comment. It was poorly phrased.
What about the fezzari abajo peak ?
First you guys didn't include 27.5 bikes in the shop-bought category, and now you call the Jeffsy XC. Please review bikes on a fair playing field instead of nitpicking bikes that you like instead.
Really wanted this radon, but not for sale in the US, gg.
Probably should have had more reviewers, this one dude’s personal opinions don’t hold too much merit IMO
why againts the light?
So Jeffsey is the best bike available outside of Europe, pretty sure Radon isn't available in North America.
No Canyon :'(
Hello ... MBR!..... we all ride 27.5..... they’re great fun you’re missing out!
We love ‘em too - there’s an explanation of our rationale in the first part 👍
Yeah seen that. More movement in 29 bikes etc. But I don’t see why wheel size or whether it’s new for this year should make any difference. If it’s good in 2020, it’s good.
Honestly, we'd have loved to have a 29in category and a 27.5in category, but we just don't have the resources to do both.
@@MBRmagazine I hope you get the resources to do it next year.
I want to see the tinkerers bike of the year. The best bike skeleton (frame and fork) that can be upgraded to be amazing down the road, new damper, rear shock, new brakes. The “bike skeleton of the year”
YT Jeffsy with Fox 36 150mm travel and he said it’s more like a XC bike????
So if your bike is more than 2 years old it's complete rubbish... I hate these reviews, but still can't stop watching them haha.
I feel like you want your bike to be stiff, so that your suspension can work properly. Flex in bikes causes deflection which is unpredictable, rather have your suspension do the work than frame in my opinion.
A very stiff frame is actually a bad thing and can be hard to ride because the bike will get deflected off obstacles (not every bump is hit square-on). Most top racers dial in a level of flex that gives them steering precision but lets the back end find the path of least resistance to a certain degree.
What the frame size of the YT..?
It's a large.
Not enough changes doesn't exclude bike from market comparison. R we looking for good bike or bike that has changed most?
are you doing hardtail of the year 2020? are on the hunt for an hardtail
We’re trying to organise it but it’s very difficult as no one has stock of bikes. If we can we will. 👍
Mountain Bike Rider i have notice that, ghansk keep up the good work 👌
Why do you want a 36 on a trail bike? 36 are for enduro not trail. 32 for xc, 34 for trail, 36 enduro, 38 ews racing
36 is now defined by Fox as all-mountain, whatever that means. Really it depends on the travel and wheel size - a 34 at 150mm travel for a 29er (which Fox doesn't sell aftermarket) is pretty noodly, whereas a 130 or 140mm 27.5in fork has a lot more bushing overlap and less leverage, so tends to work well.
I’m not sure a 150 29er is what you call a trail bike
All four of the bikes in this test had 150mm travel forks.
I know they did, that’s not my point. My point is when did trail bikes need 150mm? No wonder they are so heavy
In 2020 why are we still comparing bikes with contact points and tires? Everybody who’s not their buying 1st bike has their preferences and will change out! Everyone!
Uk guys not used to filming in the sun.
Seems daft to comment on the tire spec when you change the tires for the review.
The divide between shop bought and direct to consumer seems random
Talking about direct sales without mentioning Canyon?
Because Canyon didn’t have a 29er Trail Bike at the time of the test (the Neuron AL was launched afterwards)
And here I am on a 350.00 gravity bike lol
I don't understand why, if they were fitted control tyres, the reviewer talked about the tyres the bike comes with in every review. Yes, I understand they come fitted with different tyres from the supplier, but if you tested them all with control tyres, why is that a determinant in the review?
While it's definitely not the end of the world, what we're trying to say is that, when you've got two bikes that both ride great at the same price, and one has decent tyres and the other doesn't, then it's an element worth considering. A decent pair of tyres might set you back over £100, so it's not insignificant.
Ok, so wall of text. I love that you separated this categories in direct sales and brick and mortar bikes. This way to distinguish is great because doing it by price always means DS get better components and BM gets faster service and I feel that in the end you really are either DS or a BM buyer, depending heavily on mechanical skills and if you know what you want already. I think a really good review makes one able to choose a bike based on personal preference. on to the not so good parts. I want information and I love getting some opinions, but I dislike getting outright conclusions if they aren't based on some kind of initial discussion and let me decide if the conclusion goes in line with my own preferences. I feel MBR need more than a single guys opinion on these bikes. This review wasn't the greatest, seems the reviewer just put his personal preferences on top of 4 great bikes and chose the one that suited his riding style most. For example, the frame compliance. So, now we know that often alloy backends are more compliant than carbon, but this wasn't mentioned properly by the reviewer. The correlation between compliance and material wasn't mentioned, and since you can also get an alloy version of Jeffsy why not give the viewer some insights on material choice? Also, now that the Jeffsy isn't a trailbike but an XC bike, is Izzo a gravel bike? Just wondering. Trailbikes are supposedly the most versatile bike, yet it seems the reviewer really caters a very small segment of people who have access to the most burly trails imaginable. Otherwise I don't think Jeffsy can possibly be put in the XC category. I just don't think this review hits the mark. I think it's alright to say that the geo is slightly dated if you feel that, the HA is a bit steep by modern standards or something founded in objective reality, but I feel that just stating it's for XC misses the whole point of trailbikes by a mile. On a technical note, you should try to get a better camera and record/upload in 4k. Sounds is really good, but image quality is potato. Anyway, enjoyed the review for the laughs and it's always nice with a new opinion pieces.
Gustav Palsson BM buyers like pat I’ve the the odds and don’t have the knorr how to fix their own bikes.
I know this is nothing to do with this but I'm putting new groupset on both my bikes, I have sram NX on both, I don't know if I should go sram x01 or shimano xtr I can't decide, anyone?
@mountain bike rider, please give us what *some or most* of us what to see, 27.5 wheels. Plz.
Ok, we'll try!
I was expecting Rose root miller for 2020...
No Canyon Neuron?
It was only launched after we finished the test.
Nothing in this video would suggest a fork being overwhelmed... I'm sorry but all these bikes are "over biked" for the trails shown.
We just used those trails to shoot the video on. They weren't the trails we used exclusively for the testing.
@@MBRmagazine it would be really cool if you could mount a go pro or some other smallish camera to see how various suspension works on a variety of trails. Like zoomed in on the suspension action paired with maybe the bikes g forces. Some systems do well with big hits, others great on chatty stuff and so on.
Most cell phones have accerelometers in them and you'd probably can strap an Android to the frame to get a good comparison.
It's tough to watch a video of someone riding a trail that wasn't in the test and anecdotally speaking to the attributes of the bikes suspension (it's highly subjective to the rider). Just isn't very convincing to the viewer of your video. I'm a dork though so whatever's.
Why seperate shop brought and direct sale bikes? Are the big boys afraid the online bikes are going to smash them out of the ballpark?
We explain the rationale at the start of the first video.
@@MBRmagazine thanks