Actually their not bad price in the near $5k with shimano Xt group set anywhere from fox performance elite to rockshox lyric ultimate or ohlins rcf36 air suspension not bad but their are better options for less with similar components
@@thetir0a car is something completely different tho, a full suspension bike is a high end product that start from at Least 2.5k if u want something good You can't get a supercar for 5k lmfao
Internal cable routing is really good looking and clean, but the external is so much easier to work on. It's a feature I wish more brands would implement.
I got a T8 on sale in Oz for $2600aud about 3mths ago…that’s about $1700usd! With the mad savings I spent about a grand & upgraded, bars, grips, brakes, tyres, BB, pedals, stem, dropper remote & headset. I also stripped it back to bare metal and had it powdercoated. (Love building bikes) So for approx $2400usd, I have an absolute beast of a trail bike for unbeatable value for money. I absolutely love it.
Mixing and matching suspension is actually a good thing, with the ability to tweak tunes and performance, while being able to maximize value for consumers, no need to match brands as far as I'm concerned. I am far more worried about spec sheets that include SX Eagle rather than Deore. These drivetrains are not even in the same category, in every single way from: shifting quality to reliability to cost to clutch adjustability and replacement, Deore is the better drivetrain in every conceivable way. As for external routing, if the option was between fully integrated from the headset back or fully external; fully external all the way. Better access, no hard to trace rattles, no having to bleed brakes just to pull a brake off the bike, no spending time and/or money having cables routed. The singular trade-off is aesthetics.
mismatching brands for suspension only matters for aesthetics. Dialing your suspension in is waaay more important. After you do that and point your bike downhill, the different labels disappear. Especially since you can't see your rear shock while you ride. Currently on a Fox X2 and Zeb Ultimate. So much fun. ;)
Every mountain bike shoot out has a whole section of comments dedicated to how expensive full suspension bikes are.. if you want to get into biking, buy yourself a hard tail, price range is 600$-1500$ for entry level to mid level bikes. Even better, grab a used hard tail or full suspension in your price range. Full suspension bikes have a lot of expensive parts and have years of innovative works of art on them to crush tech trails and withstand drops and jumps. If you aren't hitting mtb trails hard and going to bike parks, do not need any of these bikes imo. If you want to hit a bike park and shred the flow there. Rent a bike for the 1 or 2 times a year you might get to go out to do this. If you hot trails 3 times a week or more and hit bike parks several times a year, it is cheaper to buy a $ 3000 bike because that'd be 1 year of rentals.
Picked up a Status 160 about a month ago for that sale price of $2,250 and have been loving it! I was worried 160 might be too much for the climbs, but has proven to be a very capable all trail bike with such a fun aspect to it on the downhills!!
I've been riding a lot of bike parks in the Northeast this season (Thunder, Mountain Creek & Highland) and have seen at least 5-6 Status 160s ... Seem extremely capable and kinda surprised to see so much value from Specialized.
External cable routing is the GOAT! Both Vitus and Kona are now doing it and there are really no downsides except looks. It's so much easier to work with and upgrade for mechanics and riders. It's also cheaper to assemble, helping keep the price down.
I have no problem with mix match suspension, if anything it’s a great way to test out two different brands! My Giant trance 29er has a fox 36 up front and a DVO topaz out back! Bike looks beast!💯
I really don't get the Internal routing hate down here, but maybe it's just because the three bikes I've had internal routing on have all been super easy to work on? Also, how often are you actually routing cables vs getting them snagged on things?
I have 2 fat bikes. I bought both second hand here in the UK. Frames had a few scratches but no dents. Bought quality 2nd wheels, upgraded the drivetrains when the originals wore out. Brakes are XT and SRAM level. All 4 pot. My fat tyres ( I have about 10) are mainly 2nd hand. Each bike all up cost me about £1300. I love them and I ride almost every day. No need to buy new.
As somebody who builds up and works on his bikes I prefer external cable routing. And I personaly also like the rough look of it. I think a mountain bike should look more like a off road machine than a slick road race car - but that's just my personal taste in design.
I'd take the external routing on the Vitus all day long, especially now it's over the bb shell instead of awful loops under it. A lot of internal routing lets water in that doesn't always drain out properly.
i don't mind external cable routing, but love the internal looks... combo, internal cable shifter and dropper remote, while external hydrolic hose, love it love it...
the only problem i could see there being with this is when it comes to maintenance having to get different seals and fluid and stuff. Could be wrong though lol, i’ve never serviced my suspension myself and i have cheap sun your suspension lol.
The tens of thousands of dollars I’ve spent on MTB over the 30+ years of riding it has bought me- sweet bikes, countless good memories of riding incredible trails, seeing beautiful views from the tops of mountain peaks, met new friends and great people, kept me in great shape for a 52 year old, given me a permanent grin when thinking about my bike, thought me about engineering and manufacturing, given me injuries that make me smile when remembering how I got them, and given me zen like peace when riding in the quite forest…… money well spent and worth every single penny. If you’re one that complains about the prices of MTBs then I guess it’s just not for you…. Or maybe try a used bike and see where that takes you. Some objects are worth more than the sum of their parts, and imo MTBs are one of those
I see your point on the return on investment.. however, bikes that are more value driven enable more people to grow the hobby and stay in that awesome shape you touched on, for some families 3-4,500 on a bike is a massive deterrent. I’ve run into this situation trying to get a friend riding, hard to sell the value of a bike if someone’s never tried it. Overall, as the demand grows it will only benefit all of us as scales of economy play a large part. Gatekeeing something you love never adds to the fun in my experience.
Lack of funds to purchase the “Value” level bikes has not stopped me from enjoying mountain biking, guys like you probably turn their noses up at the bikes I have had and currently ride. I began with restoring a derelict Schwinn Frontier, then moved “up” to a DiamondBack Sorrento. My current bike is a 90s Cannondale Cad2 with Rocksshox Judy fork. I rescued it for $15 from a thrift store, relaced the rear rim and rebuilt the shock. I might have $250 into it. I’m not gonna blast past anyone on the trails but I’m gonna be out there enjoying it all for much less that 10s of thousands of dollars.
@@user-kq6ju6hc1w No need to be sarcastic, I’m trying to say, you can get a damn good bike used for cheap and ride the same trails. You don’t get a 10x better bike for 10x more money, there’s a sweet spot.
People are free to vent their frustration over overpriced bike, and bike components. Manufacturers price gouge their customers and that doesn't mean MTB aren't for them. It means their tolerence for price gouging is lower than yours and they're venting frustration and letting the bike manufacturers know that their CEOs should be pocketing less profits for themselves and instead passing some savings on to their customers. Good companies need to listen to their customers if they want to remain successful.
Should I go for Norco Fluid FS 4? I found one for 2000 € (around 2150 usd). Sometimes I ride long trips, 70-100km, a lot of asphalt too, is it decent for this type of riding too? I am not concerned about the rubber, can change that easily, I am concerned about other things and parts. What do you guys think pls? Will I need a lot of effort and energy on asphalt, or is it barely noticeable? Thanks for every answer, tip, basically any help. :D
I've got a specialized status 140 S4. For Downhill it's the best bike I've ever owned. It's an excellent bike park bike but anything steep uphill through tight trees is hard work. The rear is so short the front is constantly trying to lift
When they start make them under 1000$ or1000$ then will more people buying bike's maybe in your country that's not much but in my country you have to buy Audi S4 second hand maybe 2005 and car is car bike is bike it's really ridiculous prices in the end it's a bike!
I love that $3k is entry level... grr... I guess I could not feed my kids for a year or default on my mortgage... Maybe my desire to actually get up on a mountain trail will have to be relegated to watching someone else do it.
sadly the there were no status for my size so i just went with a stumpjumper evo elite alloy. really didn't want to spend that much but couldn't pass the sales they had. its pretty hard picking a trail bike when there are so many good ones out there.
I’ve had a 2021 Giant Trance X 2 29 for about 2 years now. It’s sick! I made several upgrades including Float X shock, i9 wheelset, better cockpit, more robust/grippy tires with a rear insert, and better dropper. Making progress better than I have on other bikes. Running lots of spacers in the back because of how linear the suspension is, and no spacers and high pressure in front (Fox Rhythm on 2021 model) to keep it slack and high in travel. only run it in the high mode for the Maestro suspension, otherwise bottom bracket was low af. Excellent bike. My only complaint is that I couldn’t buy one earlier.
I’m stoked I came across this video. You’re truly one of the best, succinct, and most objective experts reviewing bikes in this category by far. You rock brother and keep up the outstanding vids.
Love this list. Personally I’d like to see more bikes in this Aggressive short travel Trail Bike category with a few qualifiers. Only HTA 65 or slacker,No stupidly steep STA over 78, minimum rear travel 120 plus. Maximum front travel 150. The price can be any price and if they have a frame only or frame and fork option perhaps you could share someone’s personal build. Just a few thoughts
Same here, appreciate the rundown! Liking the playfulness of the Kona and the Polygon looks like a fun ride. Any thoughts on the Devenci Django in this price range? Was liking it's reviews, but had noticed its external cabling 😆. Spending this much on something, I kindof want it to have that clean look, but I guess it's worth the cost savings trade off *if* they're actually delivering nicer components for the money 🤷
As an engineer I would select the best front forks and the best (within the bike’s price range) rear suspension. So what if they don’t match manufacture. It’s all about the quality of the ride. Or did mountain biking become a fashion show like snow skiing?
Pro's closet is rip off just for the record. You can find new bikes cheaper than the options you can expect to see priced for used bikes in the Closet thing... they low ball the previous owners as well.
I am not sure why the front and back suspension needs to be labeled with the same brand on it for you. It's completely illogical. The only thing that matters is that they get suspension that fits within their desired specs and price range. For all you know the two different brand names got built in the same factory or with internal components from the same factory.
Best trail bikes. No doubt in my mind we should be talking about hard tails here. You get a better kit for your dollar, you always get a lighter bike, and hard tails will always climb better.
Not sure why he gets hissy about external cable routing on the vitus. Then he says he has not seen it on a premium bike in a while... In a Value bike video. Bro, it is a value bike, with killer components and frame. Plus, it takes 2 minutes st swap the brakes, instead of 40 minutes of trying to fish tubes out of the frame
I see your point and try to inject my opinion in every video but I do like to understand what the audience thinks about certain subjects to make content that is relevant to them!👌🏻
U stipped me watching as soon as u brought up pros closet. Not only their used bikes are near retail (even for models that are a few years old) but ive heard bad reviews.
How about the Carbonda FM1001? I have their enduro oriented FM1002 and it is a pretty good bike. Not for all since, you gotta build it yourself though.
Re the Vitus - did he just say external cable routing on a 'high end' bike? Vitus were amazing value 2/3yrs ago, still great bikes but got the rep since and the prices have gone up in line.
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To me its crazy that the “Value” level is in the multi thousands.
Actually their not bad price in the near $5k with shimano Xt group set anywhere from fox performance elite to rockshox lyric ultimate or ohlins rcf36 air suspension not bad but their are better options for less with similar components
@@waldowsxxghostxx8577 you know, thats how much I paid for my car. Price is ridiculous.
i’m in shock 🤣
@@thetir0a car is something completely different tho, a full suspension bike is a high end product that start from at Least 2.5k if u want something good
You can't get a supercar for 5k lmfao
@@timlpld9784 2.5k is the value level, the equivalent of a Toyota Yaris.
That's a different world than I live in$3,000 isn't a budget bike to me
Internal cable routing is really good looking and clean, but the external is so much easier to work on. It's a feature I wish more brands would implement.
Yeah,they used to. Everyone thinks newer is better. Not always the case.
ah yes, canyon always at the top
Great bikes! You have one?
Are you agreeing or complaining..?
@@TopToBottomMTB I *want* one, i'm stuck with a merida for now
Yt>
I mean, I am a Specialized feller but Canyon is THE brand that does it all, as it should (closely)
I got a T8 on sale in Oz for $2600aud about 3mths ago…that’s about $1700usd!
With the mad savings I spent about a grand & upgraded, bars, grips, brakes, tyres, BB, pedals, stem, dropper remote & headset. I also stripped it back to bare metal and had it powdercoated. (Love building bikes) So for approx $2400usd, I have an absolute beast of a trail bike for unbeatable value for money.
I absolutely love it.
Wow!💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻😳
Mixing and matching suspension is actually a good thing, with the ability to tweak tunes and performance, while being able to maximize value for consumers, no need to match brands as far as I'm concerned. I am far more worried about spec sheets that include SX Eagle rather than Deore. These drivetrains are not even in the same category, in every single way from: shifting quality to reliability to cost to clutch adjustability and replacement, Deore is the better drivetrain in every conceivable way. As for external routing, if the option was between fully integrated from the headset back or fully external; fully external all the way. Better access, no hard to trace rattles, no having to bleed brakes just to pull a brake off the bike, no spending time and/or money having cables routed. The singular trade-off is aesthetics.
Thanks for your insight! What do you prefer? Internal or external?
SX is horrible - feels, looks AND shifts are all pretty poor. For me, internal for looks, but external for working on at home.
mismatching brands for suspension only matters for aesthetics. Dialing your suspension in is waaay more important. After you do that and point your bike downhill, the different labels disappear. Especially since you can't see your rear shock while you ride.
Currently on a Fox X2 and Zeb Ultimate. So much fun. ;)
Cheers! 🤜🏼🤛🏼
true dat. i have a lyrik ultimate/dvo jade x on one bike and a lyrik/kitsuma air on another. mixing wheel brands tho, i cannot accept
Every mountain bike shoot out has a whole section of comments dedicated to how expensive full suspension bikes are.. if you want to get into biking, buy yourself a hard tail, price range is 600$-1500$ for entry level to mid level bikes. Even better, grab a used hard tail or full suspension in your price range. Full suspension bikes have a lot of expensive parts and have years of innovative works of art on them to crush tech trails and withstand drops and jumps. If you aren't hitting mtb trails hard and going to bike parks, do not need any of these bikes imo. If you want to hit a bike park and shred the flow there. Rent a bike for the 1 or 2 times a year you might get to go out to do this. If you hot trails 3 times a week or more and hit bike parks several times a year, it is cheaper to buy a $ 3000 bike because that'd be 1 year of rentals.
Picked up a Status 160 about a month ago for that sale price of $2,250 and have been loving it! I was worried 160 might be too much for the climbs, but has proven to be a very capable all trail bike with such a fun aspect to it on the downhills!!
Sick!
I've been riding a lot of bike parks in the Northeast this season (Thunder, Mountain Creek & Highland) and have seen at least 5-6 Status 160s ... Seem extremely capable and kinda surprised to see so much value from Specialized.
Where are you guys finding that price.? On there web site it’s $3999
160 should be 2999 by now. Both 160 and 140 used to be sold for 2249. 140 still the case but 160 got back to the msrp. Now sure where you got 3999.
What brand is “Common-Saw”??? 😂
You realize your video says best bikes for 2024 and this video was posted 9 months ago
External cable routing is the GOAT! Both Vitus and Kona are now doing it and there are really no downsides except looks. It's so much easier to work with and upgrade for mechanics and riders. It's also cheaper to assemble, helping keep the price down.
Thanks!
Good internal cable routing is easier to work on than unscrewing multiple cable holders or using zipties. Crappy internal routing, though, is brutal.
people demand that. Also Kona Honzo does external too. Customers just want it that way. I understand why.
Dumb
Totally agree brother. What's looks without function? Aloha.😎🤙
The Canyon is the ONE! Shimano SLX, DT SWISS, FOX. C'mon, hands down the best bike, in my humble opinion. Aloha.😎🤙
Mahalo my dude!!
I have no problem with mix match suspension, if anything it’s a great way to test out two different brands! My Giant trance 29er has a fox 36 up front and a DVO topaz out back! Bike looks beast!💯
I had a trance before my Commencal meta… loved it!👌🏻
I really don't get the Internal routing hate down here, but maybe it's just because the three bikes I've had internal routing on have all been super easy to work on? Also, how often are you actually routing cables vs getting them snagged on things?
External routing is superior for maintenance purposes and upgrades. If you want to pretty it up, get colored housings to match your bike.
... that bike is a "POS" !!!! a single front sprocket ??? can we say "CROSS CHAINING" ... you will be replacing chains or breaking them ... often !!!
I have 2 fat bikes. I bought both second hand here in the UK.
Frames had a few scratches but no dents.
Bought quality 2nd wheels, upgraded the drivetrains when the originals wore out.
Brakes are XT and SRAM level. All 4 pot.
My fat tyres ( I have about 10) are mainly 2nd hand.
Each bike all up cost me about £1300. I love them and I ride almost every day.
No need to buy new.
Sooo, where are the budget options??
As somebody who builds up and works on his bikes I prefer external cable routing. And I personaly also like the rough look of it. I think a mountain bike should look more like a off road machine than a slick road race car - but that's just my personal taste in design.
These are not "value" bikes.
Why dont I ever see Radon Slide trail. Imo nothing can touch this in terms bang for buck!
Lol @ pro closet. Worst place to sell your bike. King of low ballers. Stay away from those guys.
Better than the low ballers you’ll find on Craigslist and market place… 🥵 These guys know what they’re doing!
Whenever I’m looking to save $200 on a used $5k bike, I check out The Pros Closet first.
@@FirstLast-iw2jz haha exactly
I'd take the external routing on the Vitus all day long, especially now it's over the bb shell instead of awful loops under it.
A lot of internal routing lets water in that doesn't always drain out properly.
Good point!🤔
i don't mind external cable routing, but love the internal looks... combo, internal cable shifter and dropper remote, while external hydrolic hose, love it love it...
External 1 minute to fix any where for anyone. Internal… not so easy.
True…🤔
I don’t mind the different suspension. I’m loving my Lyrik Ultimate up front and Float X rear. Rides smooooooth.
Noice👌🏻
the only problem i could see there being with this is when it comes to maintenance having to get different seals and fluid and stuff. Could be wrong though lol, i’ve never serviced my suspension myself and i have cheap sun your suspension lol.
External cable routing all the way. Stop baiting people to write comments, you Joey :D
The tens of thousands of dollars I’ve spent on MTB over the 30+ years of riding it has bought me- sweet bikes, countless good memories of riding incredible trails, seeing beautiful views from the tops of mountain peaks, met new friends and great people, kept me in great shape for a 52 year old, given me a permanent grin when thinking about my bike, thought me about engineering and manufacturing, given me injuries that make me smile when remembering how I got them, and given me zen like peace when riding in the quite forest…… money well spent and worth every single penny.
If you’re one that complains about the prices of MTBs then I guess it’s just not for you…. Or maybe try a used bike and see where that takes you. Some objects are worth more than the sum of their parts, and imo MTBs are one of those
I see your point on the return on investment.. however, bikes that are more value driven enable more people to grow the hobby and stay in that awesome shape you touched on, for some families 3-4,500 on a bike is a massive deterrent. I’ve run into this situation trying to get a friend riding, hard to sell the value of a bike if someone’s never tried it. Overall, as the demand grows it will only benefit all of us as scales of economy play a large part. Gatekeeing something you love never adds to the fun in my experience.
@@bikeislife8405 I agree! McDonald's employees should be able to afford a Lamborghini!
Lack of funds to purchase the “Value” level bikes has not stopped me from enjoying mountain biking, guys like you probably turn their noses up at the bikes I have had and currently ride. I began with restoring a derelict Schwinn Frontier, then moved “up” to a DiamondBack Sorrento. My current bike is a 90s Cannondale Cad2 with Rocksshox Judy fork. I rescued it for $15 from a thrift store, relaced the rear rim and rebuilt the shock. I might have $250 into it. I’m not gonna blast past anyone on the trails but I’m gonna be out there enjoying it all for much less that 10s of thousands of dollars.
@@user-kq6ju6hc1w No need to be sarcastic, I’m trying to say, you can get a damn good bike used for cheap and ride the same trails. You don’t get a 10x better bike for 10x more money, there’s a sweet spot.
People are free to vent their frustration over overpriced bike, and bike components.
Manufacturers price gouge their customers and that doesn't mean MTB aren't for them.
It means their tolerence for price gouging is lower than yours and they're venting frustration and letting the bike manufacturers know that their CEOs should be pocketing less profits for themselves and instead passing some savings on to their customers.
Good companies need to listen to their customers if they want to remain successful.
These are not value bikes.
You have other suggestions?
which is the best one of them?
Should I go for Norco Fluid FS 4? I found one for 2000 € (around 2150 usd). Sometimes I ride long trips, 70-100km, a lot of asphalt too, is it decent for this type of riding too? I am not concerned about the rubber, can change that easily, I am concerned about other things and parts. What do you guys think pls? Will I need a lot of effort and energy on asphalt, or is it barely noticeable? Thanks for every answer, tip, basically any help. :D
Sounds like a perfect fit for you! And a pretty good deal!👌🏻
I've got a specialized status 140 S4. For Downhill it's the best bike I've ever owned. It's an excellent bike park bike but anything steep uphill through tight trees is hard work. The rear is so short the front is constantly trying to lift
Thx for sharing!🤜🏼🤛🏼
So 3k is the Lower end of the price spectrum 😮 and here I thought under 1k was more realistic
When they start make them under 1000$ or1000$ then will more people buying bike's maybe in your country that's not much but in my country you have to buy Audi S4 second hand maybe 2005 and car is car bike is bike it's really ridiculous prices in the end it's a bike!
The regular Spectral AL5 is where its at bro. 125mm just isnt Trailbike territory. And its quite a bit cheaper.
So TPC is basically Grailed and StockX but for Bikes? That’s dope
I love that $3k is entry level... grr... I guess I could not feed my kids for a year or default on my mortgage... Maybe my desire to actually get up on a mountain trail will have to be relegated to watching someone else do it.
4k is your opening lowest priced recommended bicycle for value segment. You about to just make me go to Walmart!
I don’t mind a green polygon colossus N7 if switching to a trail hardcore mode
sadly the there were no status for my size so i just went with a stumpjumper evo elite alloy. really didn't want to spend that much but couldn't pass the sales they had. its pretty hard picking a trail bike when there are so many good ones out there.
ROFL "VALUE" 2-4k now that's funny I don't care who ya are PASS!!!
$400 is a good value bike. Any bike costing more than $1k should be a top line bike.
I’ve had a 2021 Giant Trance X 2 29 for about 2 years now. It’s sick!
I made several upgrades including Float X shock, i9 wheelset, better cockpit, more robust/grippy tires with a rear insert, and better dropper. Making progress better than I have on other bikes. Running lots of spacers in the back because of how linear the suspension is, and no spacers and high pressure in front (Fox Rhythm on 2021 model) to keep it slack and high in travel. only run it in the high mode for the Maestro suspension, otherwise bottom bracket was low af. Excellent bike. My only complaint is that I couldn’t buy one earlier.
Sounds like a sick build!👌🏻
Specialized stumpjumer nothing else😮❤
Canyon neuron. Lighter and easier to pedal and climb
How is 3 thousand USD affordable? Are you nuts???
Ah, i see. Another Polygon enjoyer ;) Hows that Colossus doin?
Still riding and loving my 2020 Jeffsy.
Love hearing that! Great bikes! What build did you get?
I’m stoked I came across this video. You’re truly one of the best, succinct, and most objective experts reviewing bikes in this category by far. You rock brother and keep up the outstanding vids.
I bought a Marin Rif zone 1 is a nice bike for a good price
So $5,000 for mountain bike is cheap ?
Check Radon. Carbon bike under 3000us dolars
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Can someone suggest a bike that’s in the $200 range? haha
My T8... always a happy ride.. 🤙👌
Very good bikes in this list..
Shout out to Commencal Meta 👌🤙
Yeah T8 bro!🤜🏼🤛🏼
My choices are commencal TR vs canyon neuron 6, vs soecialized status?
Which one would you guys buy?
commencal will be 4 me but with better set up,price is droping i cant wait to get my hands on it
Wait is this the same guy from The Bike Cave?
Why TREK BRAND IS NOT QUALIFIED AS A TRAIL BIKE?
i personally ride a fox float x with kashima in the rear, and a rockshox boxxer worldcup edition from 2015 (i think) and i love it
Nice… I know it works, it’s just my OCD talking…🤣
I miss external cable routing...
Love this list. Personally I’d like to see more bikes in this Aggressive short travel Trail Bike category with a few qualifiers. Only HTA 65 or slacker,No stupidly steep STA over 78, minimum rear travel 120 plus. Maximum front travel 150. The price can be any price and if they have a frame only or frame and fork option perhaps you could share someone’s personal build.
Just a few thoughts
Process has external cable routing for easy maintenance.
Thanks!🤜🏼🤛🏼
Perfect timing, I am looking for a bike like this
yeah same
What are you guys leaning towards?
Same here, appreciate the rundown!
Liking the playfulness of the Kona and the Polygon looks like a fun ride. Any thoughts on the Devenci Django in this price range?
Was liking it's reviews, but had noticed its external cabling 😆. Spending this much on something, I kindof want it to have that clean look, but I guess it's worth the cost savings trade off *if* they're actually delivering nicer components for the money 🤷
Marin and Vitus look great for me
Vitus 💪🏽💪🏽
Goofy as hell just buy a car at that point
sans undertale type beat
just bought a used 2004 Fuji bike at a local bike shop and wanted to see what I'm missing out on
My son 6 ft 3 19 stone nothing survives
Polygon really knows whats up with their bikes. i have an Xtrada 7 22 and a T7 21 XL and they absolutely rip
Sick! 🫶🏻
@@TopToBottomMTB ty! I just uploaded some fpv of riding the t7
i need a bike for work im from jtown mex'
Tempted with the status for the money
Yeah… hard to beat!
You forgot to mention that ALL of these bikes are manufactured overseas, where these bikes cost more than an annual salary. NOPE
No Santa Cruz on the list?
yeah vote for Polygon... all hail Polygon FTW
Oh yeah!!!
As an engineer I would select the best front forks and the best (within the bike’s price range) rear suspension. So what if they don’t match manufacture. It’s all about the quality of the ride. Or did mountain biking become a fashion show like snow skiing?
These "value" bikes should be more like $800.
High end bikes shouldn't be more than $2500.
Just sayin'.
I was set on the Siskiu T8, until I found all the issues with cracked frames.
I’ve ridden mine super hard for 6months now and it’s still mint!
I'm a 250 pound guy kitted out on a size small T8 going hard... You'll be fine. ;-)
I have a Marlin 5, but even these "budget" bikes are out of my grasp, at least for quite a while. Maybe someday....
Why do people keep complaining about value being expensive budget is cheap and value is the best bang for your buck!!!!
what do you think about the Tektro brakes? from what I've read so far, they fade quickly, which can be frustrating/dangerous while longer descending
Don't buy anything with the Rockshox 35 Gold. Garbage fork.
5 used full sus bikes all good
Pro's closet is rip off just for the record. You can find new bikes cheaper than the options you can expect to see priced for used bikes in the Closet thing... they low ball the previous owners as well.
External cable routing just makes sense. External might look pretty but I'm in the freaking woods.
I am not sure why the front and back suspension needs to be labeled with the same brand on it for you. It's completely illogical. The only thing that matters is that they get suspension that fits within their desired specs and price range. For all you know the two different brand names got built in the same factory or with internal components from the same factory.
How does the Intense 951 Trail compare to these? I just saw it today at Costco for $2999.99
Great video…just what I needed. Thanks!
Cheers Aaron!🤜🏼🤛🏼
Best trail bikes. No doubt in my mind we should be talking about hard tails here. You get a better kit for your dollar, you always get a lighter bike, and hard tails will always climb better.
what happened to TREK?
Not sure why he gets hissy about external cable routing on the vitus. Then he says he has not seen it on a premium bike in a while... In a Value bike video. Bro, it is a value bike, with killer components and frame. Plus, it takes 2 minutes st swap the brakes, instead of 40 minutes of trying to fish tubes out of the frame
Every Video... "What do you guys think about it?" that's kinda boring. We want to know what do YOU think about it. That's why people are here.
I see your point and try to inject my opinion in every video but I do like to understand what the audience thinks about certain subjects to make content that is relevant to them!👌🏻
@@TopToBottomMTB no it's just engaging
U stipped me watching as soon as u brought up pros closet. Not only their used bikes are near retail (even for models that are a few years old) but ive heard bad reviews.
What the hell is your idea of budget haha? Most of these are coming in between 3-5k.
Are you mad? Best value when they cost like a fucking truck?
Anything with Sram SX or even NX avoid. Clickity clickity clunk.
I personally like external cable routing. You'll understand when you get old. Make it count! Aloha. 😎🤙
What do you think about a BMC speedfox ONE nx 2022? Is the first bike I’m going to buy and I don’t see to much reviews
"budget" - $2000-$5000 mountain bikes :(
You can watch this one for 10 bikes under $700 👇🏻
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How about the Carbonda FM1001? I have their enduro oriented FM1002 and it is a pretty good bike. Not for all since, you gotta build it yourself though.
Curious? You’re referring to the Fluid Fs4, but you are showing the Fs1 Green, Fs2 Slilver/red, Etc…. It is the Fs1 that won the awards, I believe
Re the Vitus - did he just say external cable routing on a 'high end' bike? Vitus were amazing value 2/3yrs ago, still great bikes but got the rep since and the prices have gone up in line.