Cross Country, Trail, Enduro, & Downhill Bikes | What's The Difference?
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- We often get questions asking what the difference is between a trail bike and an enduro MTB, or if you can ride a cross country mountain bike downhill. So, today we’re going to simplify it and show you what the different types of bikes look like and what they’re good at. Neil may even suffer along the way, all in the name of science.
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Can you please do a video on which organs to sell to buy a new bike.
Kidneys are good all round organ that will allow you to get a nice ‘budget’ carbon fibre bike you can leave at the pub
WastedTalentInc I was thinking about a kidney and maybe a testicle to get a Santa Cruz, but if that isn’t enough I will have to go to the morgue to find some scrap parts lying around. Thanks for the input.👍
+1 the kidney or teste, although you can only do them once (unless you're 100% sure you don't want children). Its also possible to recover from donating up to 50% of your liver, which then grows back over several years, allowing you to donate it again (which gets you a new bike every few years).
Made my day man haha
@@dixienormous1591 pol maybe your teeth to who needs these anyway 👌👌
As a noob I really wanted a video like this. It was confusing with so many different types of mountain bikes. Eventually I worked it out. Watching this video it was all presented very clearly, the key differences.
What did you end up getting?
@@TheJofrica hardtail lol
@@eriksonsimlinger7082 why the "lol"?
@@sepg5084 idk i always put lol or lmao behind my sentences
@@sepg5084 Cause as a noob you'll usually dream of getting one of those bikes and always end up getting a hardtail.
The differences between an XC and Downhill are very clear. But could you do a comparison between a trail and an enduro bike? When go for a trail and when enduro? What is really the most suited allrounder from weekend riding to a Transalp tour of a week?
Yes, go for the transalp on your 160mm rear travel enduro with 2.4' tires. You'll definitely enjoy the climbs 😂
In all seriousness, if you want to send it but also go for multidays, a trail bike is a good compromise imo
I don't know those trails, but it comes down to agility vs bashing. Any modern Trail or Enduro bike is more capable than most riders on their best days (self included) and can handle even the gnarliest of descents or the steepest climbs. Having said that, NONE of the big burly rigs are as quick and agile as the lighter trail bikes and they don't climb as efficiently, no matter what the media says. If you prioritize climbing, like picking good lines, and don't mind letting your body do more of the suspension's job, go trail. If you like to smash through anything, and don't mind slogging up hills to destroy descents, bigger bike.
For some brands there is very little difference. 10mm of travel and half a degree here or there in some cases.
if you are riding park/ at place like the north shore get an enduro but if there is no park near you go for a trail
I NEVER get tired of these comparison videos. You could do one of these every week and I'd gladly watch. Love this channel!!
same
Same
Neil "I havent got my full face lid, so I'll take it easy..."
Also Neil, Takes off at full throttle!😂
i was litterally about to write that exact comment then saw this one, haha
Hits the road gap at the end too
@@derman3658 the man’s confident in his skills
Not funny
You can tell Neil was taking it easy on the downhill run.
There was no sonic boom.
Neil's careful riding is my balls-to-the-wall, deathgrip, ride or die type of riding, what a man! (And machine)
That rear shock travel O-ring on the Pole. Eeesh.
lol
Happens to my Trance X2 all the time. I should probably stiffen the suspension a bit...
happens to me to am putting a token in
"I never want to pedal one of these things back up a hill again though. That was horrendous"
That's what all hill climbs are like for salad dodgers like me. Regardless of what bike I am on.
i love 'salad dodgers!'
I just watched a video about mountain biking in the Philippines. Apparently they just tie their bike to a motorcycle, which pulls them back up the hill. Pretty interesting. At around 13:32 in the video th-cam.com/video/jkTTRfFcB5o/w-d-xo.html
Salad isn't food. Salad is what food eats.
0:59 cross country
1:50 trail
2:11 enduro
4:20 downhill
If you want to see all the cycles next to each other. Not perfectly aligned though :P
Could you please do a video on the different suspension linkages and what the difference is between them (vertical shock, horizontal shock ect...)
Never thought I'd see the day Neil walks a bike up a hill!
Only a year in owning an xc hardtail, and managing some blue grade trails. Hired an enduro bike recently on blue/red trails and its like night and day compared to my xc bike. The enduro gives me so much more confidence in berms, steeper descents, drops, and rocks. Much more forgiving than my xc hardtail. There's nothing like trying out different bikes to learn as you go.
Here's a drinking game: Take a shot everytime the XC bike bottoms out in the downhill run.
I wanted to see the enduro and trails bikes head to head 😹
Agree with you, that's exactly what I was going to post.
Yup!
Likewise. I was expecting, and hoping for, a comparison between the climbing and decending times from all of them.
Same
I’ve just written a comment saying the exact you’ve said
I have a cross country hard tail bastardized with downhill tires, DH pedals and shortest and steepest stem I could find. Interesting option if you mostly want to go cross country all year (including winter), but you have sometimes crazy ideas like going downhill on the mud just for the fun of it. It's not the fastest bike on trails and not the most comfortable one, but it can handle more than you think. Tiresome, slightly painful, but fun!
Same here - but a taller stem, not a shorter one... (?!)
I do pretty much everything on my 120/140mm Trail bike, from XC trails to steep technical Downhill lines.....can be rough going down though!
I am deciding whether I should get a trail bike or an enduro bike. I am leaning towards and enduro bike though
What is the most expensive overall? Or they are kinda the same
I'd go for a small travel enduro bike 150-160mm as they wont feel sluggish at your local but will be more than enough on the big hitting bike park trails
I believe trail bikes are better for technical climbs than enduro, so that's what I would go for.
Enduro you won't regret it (i have both and prefer my Enduro) extra travel bigger forks/less flex!
Really depends on where you ride. I live in VT USA and we have to climb anything we ride down. I've had a 130m Santa Cruz 5010 for years and absolutely love it. There is nothing this bike can't handle. Watch some #GMBNTech and even Doddy has been advocating for the better feel and climbing ability of short travel bikes.
You got further up that climb on the DH bike than I expected, not even that much slower than the XC. Shows the importance of the rider
Trail Bikes are so great! For me they are the best all round. :D Love my Cube 140. Love ya work GMBN!!
If you have to pick a single bike, get a Trail and it's not even close. If you are a beginner I'd recommend XC over Enduro if Trail is not an option.
@@TheArchiveOfWonder I went for an Enduro after years of riding on a shitty 700 dollar bike... i now got a canyon strive cf7.0 and the shapshifter helps so much, and itd rly fun :)
Would have been nice to see the trail and enduro bike too I feel like that’s were a lot of people are trying to choose between, a bike that can cover everything
Should've include the hardtails
Thing is can get Hard Tails in all 4 categories (even DH), not quite a category in itself, yet they do also lean towards a unique riding style
@@joshiboy31 great comment. I hate seeing hardtails pigeon holed. I was up in Oregon at Sandy Ridge trails on my Chameleon and asked a guy at the top "where are the rowdy fun trails?" he said "on that bike...". I insantly interupted with "ignore the bike, where are the really fun trails, pretend I am on an Enduro rig". Followed him to some awesome trails.
@@SprSonik13 init just, to many lightweights on Full suss with soft bones n no balls, nothing a Hardtail can't do with the right rider👍
@@joshiboy31 hell yeah. I can't wait until my new meta HT comes in. It's classified as an enduro.
@@joshiboy31 yeah ,true me nearly 60,always ride full rigid,Just now i get xcm,front end and hydraulic brakes,and i am fast through the netherlands forest at midnight,And i still have no lights on my new bulls bushtail,Best learn on a rigid mtb,You learn weight distribution!
Those guys cycling up the downhill track is a text book no go
Please do a comparison between trail/all mountain/enduro bikes!
Best upgrade you can do to a Downhill bike is to Fit a 10 to 12 speed groupset on it to have the 9 to 52t range. Still a dog uphill, but basically makes it a super enduro.
It'd be easier to get and enduro and give it a coil shock and 180mm fork like a Fox 38 or RS Zeb (although there's nothing stopping you from putting a 200mm 40 or BoXXer).
@@gpearce11 Often the DH bikes sell used for a lot less than the more sought after " trail, and enduro" bikes."
A dh bike is an enduro with less gears as far as i see it.
Wish I started with a DH. I have broken everything else.
@@ChannelZeroOne Haha, if you're breaking enduro bikes than I guess a converted DH is you're only option left.
Just make sure you find one with a fairly steep seatube angle (at least 75°, preferably more) that will work with a dropper. A steep seattube angle is the only real geometry difference these days between a DH and Enduro bike.
Can you fit a 12sp cassette on a DH? Aren't they wider than a 7/8sp?
@@ApexHerbivore GMBN Tech did a video on converting a DH to Enduro 3 weeks ago, and I dont believe they mentioned any specific issues. A new derailleur is definitely needed, but I imagine you may also need a new hub depending on your cassete choice.
Gave it a thumbs up just for getting that DH bike up the hill!
Love this video. I have never asked this question to you guys but I have really wanted to see this exact topic covered, very helpful! I would love to see more comparison between the types of bike, specifically trail and enduro
me and my friends when we go up a 30° hill for 10 meters: 6:34
Just bought a hardtail as a total newbie and seeing the speed some of these guys descend is terrifying. You must know the trail well to be going that quick right?
Yes, usually we do one or two rides around to see and learn the different features so we know what to expect.
It is very simple, if you don't know what to choose between Enduro or CrossCrountry, just take a trail bike, Canyon Neuron Al or CF (130 mm). It will be enough to go up hills comfortably and fast and it will be enough to go down hills very comfortable and at the same time having a lot of fun.
Me when I see gmbn pop up in a notification 📱 👈
me 2 lol
I have a softail and it feels great on smooth trails, gravel, small rock and even roots
Why does everyone always take the pedals off?
If anything you should wear a full face on a trail bike because it would be less controlled than a dh bike on those trails
This video makes me glad I bought a downhill bike.
The XC looked ridiculously unstable downhill. The dnf popped tire was the icing on the cake.
My KTM Phinx is 120\100 travel with 29 inch wheels and it is awesome. 13.1 kg, can take a hard landing and it gets me uphill without a shuttle :)
Wah wah wah......flat tire, ...bummer.
I was hoping to see the time comparison, but DNF, pretty much explains it... still a fun vid., thanks for doing it!
You are the King of bike
Great video cheers Neil will help lots of people coming into the hobby choosing the right bike great work as always
Thanks! 👍
Just bought my trek slash 8 two days ago and have to wait until January to get it😁
It’s tough to wait. I ordered a Trek Fuel Ex 9.7 yesterday and was told July!! 😢
Yeah at least we’ll enjoy them when they get there
pretty good time on uphilling this downhiller actually !
What's the best to climb?
You should have included a blip on hardtails in this video
Great video. Nice informative bike check that wasn't just a poorly disguised advert for a sponsor. Nice one GMBN 👍
I bet the dude on the trail/xc bike with good tyres will have more fun uphill & downhill even though he is slower because he would feel the bumps more & have a longer fun ride. Period. Ask Nino Schurter!
It’s cool to see the difference in design an spec of these beasts but how does this effect price just curious to know the difference in pricing and how they justify £10 grand on a bike
I'm surprised that nobody points out XC tires need higher pressure for demanding trails (hence the flat). Vittoria's XC models (barzzo and mezzcal) are pretty soft without sidewall reinforcement, so they need extra 8-10 psi to withstand high speed rocky trails. Since it's a "time test" and this is not the first GMBN video with that theme, I'd expect a better preparation.
Man nice, love the videos
Good to see the latest Nukeproof stick stands are out
DH bike should have the lockout to help woth climbing. Its not just the weight its the suspension that slows you down and use more energy
Enduro FTW! 👍
i think that an important one people forget, especially if you are as talented and fast as Neil, is that DH bikes only come alive once you go fast. if you are a slower rider I don't think a DH bike will be as good as an enduro bike for you, DH bikes are really bad at turning and don't handle well if you are not fast enough but enduro bikes will come alive way faster. you need to get closer to the limits of a DH bike then you need to get to the limits of an enduro bike so enduro bikes in my opinion are way better DH bikes for beginners than actual DH bikes are.
I agree. If you ride Park a lot, worth it. If you go a couple/few times a year, rent one (a dh). I am trying to decide rt now, if ai want trail or enduro....
Damn... Neil popped a 2019 XC' bikes tires on one downhill trail after about 20sec. I'm casually riding a 2009 Canyon XC (FS) on downhill trails never popped a tire, and i can tell you I'm not going easy on it.
It's not often I see a xc bike that I would like to have,, like the one in this video just put 140 fork and a riser bar on it and it's fit for Norway
Well, I tought it was a DNF for both bikes. You had to push the DH bike uphill and still count your time against the trail bike, so the least you could do was to push the trail bike to finish the downhill course too.
The pump on the Canyon Lux !!!
I have a simple mountain bike
In regards to the downhill bike, I'm surprised to hear him saying you want your weight tipped back on the rear of the bike. I thought that that was a classic riding style - whereas the modern riding style is to sit either center or forward. Then again, maybe the geometry and seat position of the downhill bike say otherwise...?
I have been riding for 3 and I know the differences but I still clicked this cuz why not
loove the bike
I been seeing lots of those canyon bikes lately. They definitely catch my eye
Biking up push up hill at the dean even on an XC, youre a mad man lol.
If downhill bike weight isn't really a problem, why not go to 10 or 11 speed groupset for a 10-42 cassette? or something like that...
The best work out for legs., and knee.
who else was disappointed when you saw that the last two bikes in the intro werent also raw and red
I am starting Mountain biking, whats the difference in the build of the damper. Some are from the bottom of the bike upwards, some are under the top part of the frame.
Thanks and all good ride🤙
Enduro ❤
How about this?
100mm front travel: Budget/Entry level MTB Recreational
120mm front travel: CrossCountry Bike Racing
140mm front travel: Trail Bike Recreational
160mm front travel: Enduro Bike Racing
180mm front travel: Freeride Bike Recreational (mainly)
200mm front travel: Downhill Bike Racing
All of them +-10mm strictly and +-20mm loosely due to manufacturers having different deffinitions and riders having different preferences.
also worth noting that 120mm and down are pure breed original MTB's or XC (as it was born), 140-160 are pure breed All-Mountain and 180 and up are pure breed gravity fed bikes. Being 130mm the middleground between allmountain and CrossCountry (recreational and competitive variants) and 170mm the middleground between Allmountain and Gravity fed bikes. So I would use those numbers to guide myself to buy a bike based on the style of riding, discipline, geography and preferences.
Arrg the ring on the shock of the enduro bike.
Can a single bike be used for all of these?
Not really
Good vlog that Neil, my bike collection needs a couple of additions though!!
Nice review bro...watch here in Philippines...
I wish I have one like that...I really have a lot of interest in bikes.
I made a rookie error in getting a downhill bike when all my friends got enduro. Still my nukeproof pulse feels the dream going down tracks
Just go to the park as often as you can, nothing beats the feeling of a real DH bike on a DH Track!
Back in the mid 2000s Freeride or DH Bikes were all we got, there wasn’t a capable Trail or Enduro bike out there.
So we rode them everywhere!
Of course the uphills where often slow and we were pushing our bikes on to steep stuff, but the descends where always worth it.
We had all the fun in the world!
is the rocky mountain slayer a enduro or a downhill or a freeride/super enduro?
Made the Myo Rallon as a tribute to Plonsracing
Hardtail Trail 27.5 bikes 👌👌👌
Is the Enduro bike carbon too or only alloy?
What should be your criteria that separates Trail and Enduro when you choose ? Can you go say 10 - 20 miles on an Enduro or would you regret not buying a Trail bike? I would buy ANY bike based 50 % health and 50% FUN- meaning I don't mind sweating, I don't do timing and I need to feel safe when I have fun.
Neil: I’m gonna take it slow on the way down.
*absolutely bombs down it*
Question. I did bmx dirt jumping as a kid and just got into mountain biking. Unaware of the MTB universe I’ve fallen in love with the “free rider” style. Basically I wanna go fast and fly high haha. Anyway It’ll probably be about a year before I purchase my next bike, but I was wondering if I could get some suggestions on what type of bike to start looking at for this style? Thanks, I’ve been appreciating all the info from this channel.
Trail and Enduro? How close do they compair?
That nukeproof looks like a santa cruz 5010 v3.... Basically it's the same. Lol
Whata the difference between a xc bike and a airplane?
Is it better to use alloy wheels other than carbon for downhill bikes?
Ehere the comparison of the enduro and trail? Be good to do a couple runs of each over a couple days so that fatigue is eliminated.
Climbs on a DH bike. Can you not extend the rear shock, while compressing the fork and lock them out, to give a more forward tilt?
So, when i just had my downhill bike, i decided to go on an xco small 6km race (3x 2km laps), i thought i was going to die when going up, there was even a section i had to go on foot. Only had to do 2 laps since i got overtaken and we were only 3 competing on the amatour section.
At least i got to just the stairs and scare the photographer 😅
Good video but a real shame You forgot that 26 inch wheeled bikes are still a thing and they still work :-) 26 ain't dead yet !
No judgements but, holy shit! $40k worth of bikes there!
So how many bikes should I buy???
yes.
“I’m just gonna be safe and take it easy.” Next minute: faster than I’ll even go on a road bike.
XC bikes - 80 - 120mm
Trail bikes - 120 - 150mm
Now what if your bike is 120mm? Which of the two it falls in? XC or trail?
They call it a downcountry bike. A perfect compromise between an xc and trail. There's even an endu-trail bike, that's got 160mm travel. Not to forget, there's another called a downduro that has a dual crown fork but only 180mm travel.
I ride an endero because you can everything on it
Change the gearing on the DH bike and they're much more capable for general trails.
True, although at that point you've basically got a heavy enduro with a slack seat-tube angle.
And then the best one
HARDTAIL😁
Used to love em, too uncomfortable for me these days - must be getting old lol
what would you choose: Canyon Strive CF 8.0 or Neuron 7 (al) haven’t been to a bike park yet but not sure if it will happen next year. the price difference is 1.500€
Very good necessary video.......
my D R E A M. bikes
🙏
hoping and praying one day...i could have one of this beautiful bikes you have sir😌
Anyone advice i want to buy a nukeproof mega am275 2014 model for 550 should i do it it seems nice and the brakes have been changed to new ones
Did you buy it.
Enduro bike with Downhill suspension and tires, and XC gearing.
Can a big doble fork byinstalled on a crisscountry?