WastedTalentInc I was thinking about a kidney and maybe a testicle to get a Santa Cruz, but if that isn’t enough I will have to go to the morgue to find some scrap parts lying around. Thanks for the input.👍
+1 the kidney or teste, although you can only do them once (unless you're 100% sure you don't want children). Its also possible to recover from donating up to 50% of your liver, which then grows back over several years, allowing you to donate it again (which gets you a new bike every few years).
The differences between an XC and Downhill are very clear. But could you do a comparison between a trail and an enduro bike? When go for a trail and when enduro? What is really the most suited allrounder from weekend riding to a Transalp tour of a week?
I don't know those trails, but it comes down to agility vs bashing. Any modern Trail or Enduro bike is more capable than most riders on their best days (self included) and can handle even the gnarliest of descents or the steepest climbs. Having said that, NONE of the big burly rigs are as quick and agile as the lighter trail bikes and they don't climb as efficiently, no matter what the media says. If you prioritize climbing, like picking good lines, and don't mind letting your body do more of the suspension's job, go trail. If you like to smash through anything, and don't mind slogging up hills to destroy descents, bigger bike.
As a noob I really wanted a video like this. It was confusing with so many different types of mountain bikes. Eventually I worked it out. Watching this video it was all presented very clearly, the key differences.
A hardtail can be the same. An Enduro hardtail has 140-180 mm of travel, slacker, longer geometry, a cross country hardtail has 80-120 mm of travel, steeper head tube angle, and so on.
Only a year in owning an xc hardtail, and managing some blue grade trails. Hired an enduro bike recently on blue/red trails and its like night and day compared to my xc bike. The enduro gives me so much more confidence in berms, steeper descents, drops, and rocks. Much more forgiving than my xc hardtail. There's nothing like trying out different bikes to learn as you go.
"I never want to pedal one of these things back up a hill again though. That was horrendous" That's what all hill climbs are like for salad dodgers like me. Regardless of what bike I am on.
I just watched a video about mountain biking in the Philippines. Apparently they just tie their bike to a motorcycle, which pulls them back up the hill. Pretty interesting. At around 13:32 in the video th-cam.com/video/jkTTRfFcB5o/w-d-xo.html
I'd go for a small travel enduro bike 150-160mm as they wont feel sluggish at your local but will be more than enough on the big hitting bike park trails
Really depends on where you ride. I live in VT USA and we have to climb anything we ride down. I've had a 130m Santa Cruz 5010 for years and absolutely love it. There is nothing this bike can't handle. Watch some #GMBNTech and even Doddy has been advocating for the better feel and climbing ability of short travel bikes.
Awesome. It’s nice to see the real purpose of a downhill bike for a change. I’ve included a downhill bike in my stable. But i put larger gears on the back.
I have a cross country hard tail bastardized with downhill tires, DH pedals and shortest and steepest stem I could find. Interesting option if you mostly want to go cross country all year (including winter), but you have sometimes crazy ideas like going downhill on the mud just for the fun of it. It's not the fastest bike on trails and not the most comfortable one, but it can handle more than you think. Tiresome, slightly painful, but fun!
Trail bike all the way...easily the most versatile...smash on some DH tires, a short stem, and wider bars with more rise and your good to hit the rough techie stuff, but also not going to be hating the accents... For those hitting huge drops and jumps, you'll need the extra travel, but I reckon for most people in most trails, a trail bike has got you covered...too much emphasis on travel now a days...tire choice for me is a better upgrade. Nice vid by the way 👍
Reminds me of road vehicles! Everyone wants to rant and rave about suspension upgrades, engine upgrades, transmission upgrades, but in almost any situation, the biggest difference maker? TIRES.
@@TheArchiveOfWonder I went for an Enduro after years of riding on a shitty 700 dollar bike... i now got a canyon strive cf7.0 and the shapshifter helps so much, and itd rly fun :)
I have ridden my gt xc hardtail bike at downhill parks and local trails it works great but you have to muscle it and don't recommend anything higher than a blue trail. I have rented enduros at parks and am comfortable doing advanced trails. I think if you are casually riding local and occasionally going to bike parks a trail bike would be perfect but if you do go to bike parks multiple times a year I would get an Enduro.
Would have been nice to see the trail and enduro bike too I feel like that’s were a lot of people are trying to choose between, a bike that can cover everything
@@joshiboy31 great comment. I hate seeing hardtails pigeon holed. I was up in Oregon at Sandy Ridge trails on my Chameleon and asked a guy at the top "where are the rowdy fun trails?" he said "on that bike...". I insantly interupted with "ignore the bike, where are the really fun trails, pretend I am on an Enduro rig". Followed him to some awesome trails.
@@joshiboy31 yeah ,true me nearly 60,always ride full rigid,Just now i get xcm,front end and hydraulic brakes,and i am fast through the netherlands forest at midnight,And i still have no lights on my new bulls bushtail,Best learn on a rigid mtb,You learn weight distribution!
Yea well there's not much to gain by putting large cogs on a downhill bike since you do little pedaling and even that's usually at high speed. Those cassettes also allow for short cage derailleurs with better clearance and chain tension through the gear range.
Love this video. I have never asked this question to you guys but I have really wanted to see this exact topic covered, very helpful! I would love to see more comparison between the types of bike, specifically trail and enduro
Did a downhill park on my XC bike today. Ripped my rear tire on a rock. Looks like I'll try and find an enduro bike for next year. I like to trail ride the local spots a lot.
It is very simple, if you don't know what to choose between Enduro or CrossCrountry, just take a trail bike, Canyon Neuron Al or CF (130 mm). It will be enough to go up hills comfortably and fast and it will be enough to go down hills very comfortable and at the same time having a lot of fun.
I live in BC and only have a Downhill bike add to that its a 26er that i upgraded to 11-36, It was hell! But that GT Ruckus is Bomb Proof. But Pedalling uphill is just all pain. Now i own a slayer and its night and day!
Wah wah wah......flat tire, ...bummer. I was hoping to see the time comparison, but DNF, pretty much explains it... still a fun vid., thanks for doing it!
Hey, I got a 125 mm rear travel Trailbike with a 130 mm Fox 34 up front and DPS shock at the rear. I'd like to do more Enduro/ Freeride stuff with it and was wondering if it's worth to upgrade the Bike with a Fox 36 and DPX2 shock, or if I should just sell it and buy a proper Enduro bike.. although I just bought my bike this season
Probably the cost of buying new 38's make more financial sense to sell yours and buy a bike already kitted out, also your current trail might struggle to accommodate the travel you'll get with 38's and DPX2's
Not worth upgrading suspension, you gonna duck up the geometry, better to sell and buy a new bike, even a entry level enduro will do better. Another cheaper option is to buy stiffer wheels and burlier tyres, and get some offset bushings to make you bike slacker in offsetbushings dot com
would love to ride a good DH just once. started out on a junkyard huffy with a spring fork and no brakes, got a pacific from target with a better suspension fork, a very low-end trek with no suspension and now a 2014 giant talon. also started on BMX in the mid 80's after my skateboard snapped.
Best upgrade you can do to a Downhill bike is to Fit a 10 to 12 speed groupset on it to have the 9 to 52t range. Still a dog uphill, but basically makes it a super enduro.
It'd be easier to get and enduro and give it a coil shock and 180mm fork like a Fox 38 or RS Zeb (although there's nothing stopping you from putting a 200mm 40 or BoXXer).
@@gpearce11 Often the DH bikes sell used for a lot less than the more sought after " trail, and enduro" bikes." A dh bike is an enduro with less gears as far as i see it. Wish I started with a DH. I have broken everything else.
@@ChannelZeroOne Haha, if you're breaking enduro bikes than I guess a converted DH is you're only option left. Just make sure you find one with a fairly steep seatube angle (at least 75°, preferably more) that will work with a dropper. A steep seattube angle is the only real geometry difference these days between a DH and Enduro bike.
@@ApexHerbivore GMBN Tech did a video on converting a DH to Enduro 3 weeks ago, and I dont believe they mentioned any specific issues. A new derailleur is definitely needed, but I imagine you may also need a new hub depending on your cassete choice.
Downhill if your riding chairlifts all day, i agree with Neil, i do not want to peddle/push up hills but they're buttery smooth and confidence inspiring, just tiring😧Enduro with soft sticky DH tyres for me (modern-day Enduro/free ride bikes can handle it imho) love my Slayer C70, i throw it off everything and cruse back up (I've always liked to earn my descend's, makes you fitter/stronger/harder/faster)💪
Just bought a hardtail as a total newbie and seeing the speed some of these guys descend is terrifying. You must know the trail well to be going that quick right?
For me personally, i found out that Enduro bikes are the Sweet Spot of bikes. Forgiving going up, and madness for going down :). DH bikes are nice only if you have a frined to move you up the trail, or a lift. Otherwise .... why would someone spend thounsand of $ just to push the damn thing up the hill half of the time :D
I really appreciate this review it was really insightful and now I really know the difference between a coilover and an air shock and I myself on my 29er I have a nice air shock and I believe it's a fox up front and rear
I hate climbing and prefer to ride bikeparks so I got a singlespeed Downhillbike, but because I wanted to know how bad it is at climbing I did it once and well, it was a real pain in the ass. Even if you only ride it on a flat road you´re done after a few minutes.
Thank you. Fun and knowledgeable video, nice trails as well! Never have ridden full suspension XC / trail MTB. Where hardtails do stand in this? Is hardtail still relevant? Thanks.
It’s cool to see the difference in design an spec of these beasts but how does this effect price just curious to know the difference in pricing and how they justify £10 grand on a bike
I am starting Mountain biking, whats the difference in the build of the damper. Some are from the bottom of the bike upwards, some are under the top part of the frame. Thanks and all good ride🤙
I'm surprised that nobody points out XC tires need higher pressure for demanding trails (hence the flat). Vittoria's XC models (barzzo and mezzcal) are pretty soft without sidewall reinforcement, so they need extra 8-10 psi to withstand high speed rocky trails. Since it's a "time test" and this is not the first GMBN video with that theme, I'd expect a better preparation.
i think that an important one people forget, especially if you are as talented and fast as Neil, is that DH bikes only come alive once you go fast. if you are a slower rider I don't think a DH bike will be as good as an enduro bike for you, DH bikes are really bad at turning and don't handle well if you are not fast enough but enduro bikes will come alive way faster. you need to get closer to the limits of a DH bike then you need to get to the limits of an enduro bike so enduro bikes in my opinion are way better DH bikes for beginners than actual DH bikes are.
I agree. If you ride Park a lot, worth it. If you go a couple/few times a year, rent one (a dh). I am trying to decide rt now, if ai want trail or enduro....
Damn... Neil popped a 2019 XC' bikes tires on one downhill trail after about 20sec. I'm casually riding a 2009 Canyon XC (FS) on downhill trails never popped a tire, and i can tell you I'm not going easy on it.
I rode that line the other day at Forest of Dean. Still amazing to see how quick you can get down it. But u had my ebike so i defo got to the top quicker 🤣
What type of MTB is a Diamondback Hook? At my school, my friends and I build dirt jumps around the back and ride their together. Im currently riding a bmx but want to upgrade. I want a mtb thats fine for jumping. Thanks for the video
Question. I did bmx dirt jumping as a kid and just got into mountain biking. Unaware of the MTB universe I’ve fallen in love with the “free rider” style. Basically I wanna go fast and fly high haha. Anyway It’ll probably be about a year before I purchase my next bike, but I was wondering if I could get some suggestions on what type of bike to start looking at for this style? Thanks, I’ve been appreciating all the info from this channel.
What design changes to an Enduro Bike would make it the *best* climber while giving up the least downhill capability? I'm a retired Mechanical Engineer wanting to design an innovative, highly capable Enduro without having much direct experience riding MTB's. I've done a lot of mountain road biking in my younger days, and know a lot about bikes in general, but the diversity of MTB's happened when I was too old to risk my body to the dangerous exhilarations of serious Mountain Biking. So, I have to ask advice from those in my potential market! I'm watching a lot of videos and reading/listening to a lot of comments to generate some ideas to add to several new ways of design I've already considered to make the Enduro rides much better, especially for EMTB's to improve the uphill experience! I'll entertain the wildest items on a wish-list for an Enduro, both Pedelec and not! Please be imaginative! Fine-tuning suggestions for existing features are always welcome too! Please also consider automated features that make the ride more immersive & less tedious; focused on the good stuff. Be bold; consider new suspension effects & tweaks; power-transmission possibilities and tweaks; more gearing range & lower or higher gears; off-grid options for more power; more portability; mind-reading AI controls of the bike; Google-Glass interface! Get crazy! I'm not looking to steal anyone's proprietary idea here, so please share only what's not patent-worthy for you. Thanks in advance! Don't forget to 'thumbs-up' this comment if it got you thinking!
In regards to the downhill bike, I'm surprised to hear him saying you want your weight tipped back on the rear of the bike. I thought that that was a classic riding style - whereas the modern riding style is to sit either center or forward. Then again, maybe the geometry and seat position of the downhill bike say otherwise...?
Is the Enduro bike carbon too or only alloy? What should be your criteria that separates Trail and Enduro when you choose ? Can you go say 10 - 20 miles on an Enduro or would you regret not buying a Trail bike? I would buy ANY bike based 50 % health and 50% FUN- meaning I don't mind sweating, I don't do timing and I need to feel safe when I have fun.
Just go to the park as often as you can, nothing beats the feeling of a real DH bike on a DH Track! Back in the mid 2000s Freeride or DH Bikes were all we got, there wasn’t a capable Trail or Enduro bike out there. So we rode them everywhere! Of course the uphills where often slow and we were pushing our bikes on to steep stuff, but the descends where always worth it. We had all the fun in the world!
Can you please do a video on which organs to sell to buy a new bike.
Kidneys are good all round organ that will allow you to get a nice ‘budget’ carbon fibre bike you can leave at the pub
WastedTalentInc I was thinking about a kidney and maybe a testicle to get a Santa Cruz, but if that isn’t enough I will have to go to the morgue to find some scrap parts lying around. Thanks for the input.👍
+1 the kidney or teste, although you can only do them once (unless you're 100% sure you don't want children). Its also possible to recover from donating up to 50% of your liver, which then grows back over several years, allowing you to donate it again (which gets you a new bike every few years).
Made my day man haha
@@dixienormous1591 pol maybe your teeth to who needs these anyway 👌👌
The differences between an XC and Downhill are very clear. But could you do a comparison between a trail and an enduro bike? When go for a trail and when enduro? What is really the most suited allrounder from weekend riding to a Transalp tour of a week?
Yes, go for the transalp on your 160mm rear travel enduro with 2.4' tires. You'll definitely enjoy the climbs 😂
In all seriousness, if you want to send it but also go for multidays, a trail bike is a good compromise imo
I don't know those trails, but it comes down to agility vs bashing. Any modern Trail or Enduro bike is more capable than most riders on their best days (self included) and can handle even the gnarliest of descents or the steepest climbs. Having said that, NONE of the big burly rigs are as quick and agile as the lighter trail bikes and they don't climb as efficiently, no matter what the media says. If you prioritize climbing, like picking good lines, and don't mind letting your body do more of the suspension's job, go trail. If you like to smash through anything, and don't mind slogging up hills to destroy descents, bigger bike.
For some brands there is very little difference. 10mm of travel and half a degree here or there in some cases.
if you are riding park/ at place like the north shore get an enduro but if there is no park near you go for a trail
Neil "I havent got my full face lid, so I'll take it easy..."
Also Neil, Takes off at full throttle!😂
i was litterally about to write that exact comment then saw this one, haha
Hits the road gap at the end too
@@derman3658 the man’s confident in his skills
Not funny
You can tell Neil was taking it easy on the downhill run.
There was no sonic boom.
As a noob I really wanted a video like this. It was confusing with so many different types of mountain bikes. Eventually I worked it out. Watching this video it was all presented very clearly, the key differences.
What did you end up getting?
@@TheJofrica hardtail lol
@@eriksonsimlinger7082 why the "lol"?
@@sepg5084 idk i always put lol or lmao behind my sentences
@@sepg5084 Cause as a noob you'll usually dream of getting one of those bikes and always end up getting a hardtail.
I NEVER get tired of these comparison videos. You could do one of these every week and I'd gladly watch. Love this channel!!
same
Same
Love this comparison! Could add the hardtail next time?
No love for the hardtail
A hardtail can be the same. An Enduro hardtail has 140-180 mm of travel, slacker, longer geometry, a cross country hardtail has 80-120 mm of travel, steeper head tube angle, and so on.
Neil's careful riding is my balls-to-the-wall, deathgrip, ride or die type of riding, what a man! (And machine)
Could you please do a video on the different suspension linkages and what the difference is between them (vertical shock, horizontal shock ect...)
0:59 cross country
1:50 trail
2:11 enduro
4:20 downhill
If you want to see all the cycles next to each other. Not perfectly aligned though :P
That rear shock travel O-ring on the Pole. Eeesh.
lol
Happens to my Trance X2 all the time. I should probably stiffen the suspension a bit...
happens to me to am putting a token in
It amazes me that Neil can casually talk during that gnarly down hill ride... lord have mercy! Great video
Only a year in owning an xc hardtail, and managing some blue grade trails. Hired an enduro bike recently on blue/red trails and its like night and day compared to my xc bike. The enduro gives me so much more confidence in berms, steeper descents, drops, and rocks. Much more forgiving than my xc hardtail. There's nothing like trying out different bikes to learn as you go.
"I never want to pedal one of these things back up a hill again though. That was horrendous"
That's what all hill climbs are like for salad dodgers like me. Regardless of what bike I am on.
i love 'salad dodgers!'
I just watched a video about mountain biking in the Philippines. Apparently they just tie their bike to a motorcycle, which pulls them back up the hill. Pretty interesting. At around 13:32 in the video th-cam.com/video/jkTTRfFcB5o/w-d-xo.html
Salad isn't food. Salad is what food eats.
Never thought I'd see the day Neil walks a bike up a hill!
its super impressive how skilled niel is as a rider, he climbed great on the dh bike and decended very confidently on the xc while it lasted.
I am deciding whether I should get a trail bike or an enduro bike. I am leaning towards and enduro bike though
What is the most expensive overall? Or they are kinda the same
I'd go for a small travel enduro bike 150-160mm as they wont feel sluggish at your local but will be more than enough on the big hitting bike park trails
I believe trail bikes are better for technical climbs than enduro, so that's what I would go for.
Enduro you won't regret it (i have both and prefer my Enduro) extra travel bigger forks/less flex!
Really depends on where you ride. I live in VT USA and we have to climb anything we ride down. I've had a 130m Santa Cruz 5010 for years and absolutely love it. There is nothing this bike can't handle. Watch some #GMBNTech and even Doddy has been advocating for the better feel and climbing ability of short travel bikes.
Awesome. It’s nice to see the real purpose of a downhill bike for a change. I’ve included a downhill bike in my stable. But i put larger gears on the back.
I do pretty much everything on my 120/140mm Trail bike, from XC trails to steep technical Downhill lines.....can be rough going down though!
I wanted to see the enduro and trails bikes head to head 😹
Agree with you, that's exactly what I was going to post.
Yup!
Likewise. I was expecting, and hoping for, a comparison between the climbing and decending times from all of them.
Same
I’ve just written a comment saying the exact you’ve said
I have a cross country hard tail bastardized with downhill tires, DH pedals and shortest and steepest stem I could find. Interesting option if you mostly want to go cross country all year (including winter), but you have sometimes crazy ideas like going downhill on the mud just for the fun of it. It's not the fastest bike on trails and not the most comfortable one, but it can handle more than you think. Tiresome, slightly painful, but fun!
Same here - but a taller stem, not a shorter one... (?!)
Trail bike all the way...easily the most versatile...smash on some DH tires, a short stem, and wider bars with more rise and your good to hit the rough techie stuff, but also not going to be hating the accents...
For those hitting huge drops and jumps, you'll need the extra travel, but I reckon for most people in most trails, a trail bike has got you covered...too much emphasis on travel now a days...tire choice for me is a better upgrade.
Nice vid by the way 👍
Reminds me of road vehicles! Everyone wants to rant and rave about suspension upgrades, engine upgrades, transmission upgrades, but in almost any situation, the biggest difference maker? TIRES.
Whats DH tires
Trail Bikes are so great! For me they are the best all round. :D Love my Cube 140. Love ya work GMBN!!
If you have to pick a single bike, get a Trail and it's not even close. If you are a beginner I'd recommend XC over Enduro if Trail is not an option.
@@TheArchiveOfWonder I went for an Enduro after years of riding on a shitty 700 dollar bike... i now got a canyon strive cf7.0 and the shapshifter helps so much, and itd rly fun :)
Awesome video for people getting into MTB. Thank you very much guys. This video is much appreciated! Greetings from Chile.
Glad it was helpful!
I got a downhill bike and I'm loving it!
I have ridden my gt xc hardtail bike at downhill parks and local trails it works great but you have to muscle it and don't recommend anything higher than a blue trail. I have rented enduros at parks and am comfortable doing advanced trails. I think if you are casually riding local and occasionally going to bike parks a trail bike would be perfect but if you do go to bike parks multiple times a year I would get an Enduro.
You got further up that climb on the DH bike than I expected, not even that much slower than the XC. Shows the importance of the rider
Thanks a lot for explaining the difference. Quite hard thought. Next is to understand that sleek or slack jargon, guess geometry as well.
Would have been nice to see the trail and enduro bike too I feel like that’s were a lot of people are trying to choose between, a bike that can cover everything
Thank god I found this video. I’ve been looking for which type of bike I should get
Glad we could help!
Here's a drinking game: Take a shot everytime the XC bike bottoms out in the downhill run.
Please do a comparison between trail/all mountain/enduro bikes!
My s works epic is a revelation. So fast as it’s so light 21.5lbs. Makes the whole day a joy if you’re going any distance
The full sus or the hardtail?
@@Fred_the_1996 - full sus
@@chrisward7582 nice, have fun
Should've include the hardtails
Thing is can get Hard Tails in all 4 categories (even DH), not quite a category in itself, yet they do also lean towards a unique riding style
@@joshiboy31 great comment. I hate seeing hardtails pigeon holed. I was up in Oregon at Sandy Ridge trails on my Chameleon and asked a guy at the top "where are the rowdy fun trails?" he said "on that bike...". I insantly interupted with "ignore the bike, where are the really fun trails, pretend I am on an Enduro rig". Followed him to some awesome trails.
@@SprSonik13 init just, to many lightweights on Full suss with soft bones n no balls, nothing a Hardtail can't do with the right rider👍
@@joshiboy31 hell yeah. I can't wait until my new meta HT comes in. It's classified as an enduro.
@@joshiboy31 yeah ,true me nearly 60,always ride full rigid,Just now i get xcm,front end and hydraulic brakes,and i am fast through the netherlands forest at midnight,And i still have no lights on my new bulls bushtail,Best learn on a rigid mtb,You learn weight distribution!
10-24 cassette on the downhill bike... That's basically road bike gears 😀.
Yea well there's not much to gain by putting large cogs on a downhill bike since you do little pedaling and even that's usually at high speed. Those cassettes also allow for short cage derailleurs with better clearance and chain tension through the gear range.
36x24 is literally my road bike climbing gear since it's pretty flat where I live. It's a grind going uphill with it.
@@Hardcaslte 36 on the front for me, but on the back of my road bike I think I have a 26 so still closed.
Ive got an 11-28 9 speed on my trail bike
Gave it a thumbs up just for getting that DH bike up the hill!
Those guys cycling up the downhill track is a text book no go
Love this video. I have never asked this question to you guys but I have really wanted to see this exact topic covered, very helpful! I would love to see more comparison between the types of bike, specifically trail and enduro
Did a downhill park on my XC bike today. Ripped my rear tire on a rock. Looks like I'll try and find an enduro bike for next year. I like to trail ride the local spots a lot.
I have a softail and it feels great on smooth trails, gravel, small rock and even roots
Why does everyone always take the pedals off?
It is very simple, if you don't know what to choose between Enduro or CrossCrountry, just take a trail bike, Canyon Neuron Al or CF (130 mm). It will be enough to go up hills comfortably and fast and it will be enough to go down hills very comfortable and at the same time having a lot of fun.
I live in BC and only have a Downhill bike add to that its a 26er that i upgraded to 11-36, It was hell! But that GT Ruckus is Bomb Proof. But Pedalling uphill is just all pain. Now i own a slayer and its night and day!
This video makes me glad I bought a downhill bike.
The XC looked ridiculously unstable downhill. The dnf popped tire was the icing on the cake.
Wah wah wah......flat tire, ...bummer.
I was hoping to see the time comparison, but DNF, pretty much explains it... still a fun vid., thanks for doing it!
Hey, I got a 125 mm rear travel Trailbike with a 130 mm Fox 34 up front and DPS shock at the rear.
I'd like to do more Enduro/ Freeride stuff with it and was wondering if it's worth to upgrade the Bike with a Fox 36 and DPX2 shock, or if I should just sell it and buy a proper Enduro bike.. although I just bought my bike this season
Probably the cost of buying new 38's make more financial sense to sell yours and buy a bike already kitted out, also your current trail might struggle to accommodate the travel you'll get with 38's and DPX2's
Although that said 130mm is quite a nice amount of travel, you'd probably be surprised what she'll take 👍
Not worth upgrading suspension, you gonna duck up the geometry, better to sell and buy a new bike, even a entry level enduro will do better.
Another cheaper option is to buy stiffer wheels and burlier tyres, and get some offset bushings to make you bike slacker in offsetbushings dot com
thanks guys
would love to ride a good DH just once. started out on a junkyard huffy with a spring fork and no brakes, got a pacific from target with a better suspension fork, a very low-end trek with no suspension and now a 2014 giant talon. also started on BMX in the mid 80's after my skateboard snapped.
Best upgrade you can do to a Downhill bike is to Fit a 10 to 12 speed groupset on it to have the 9 to 52t range. Still a dog uphill, but basically makes it a super enduro.
It'd be easier to get and enduro and give it a coil shock and 180mm fork like a Fox 38 or RS Zeb (although there's nothing stopping you from putting a 200mm 40 or BoXXer).
@@gpearce11 Often the DH bikes sell used for a lot less than the more sought after " trail, and enduro" bikes."
A dh bike is an enduro with less gears as far as i see it.
Wish I started with a DH. I have broken everything else.
@@ChannelZeroOne Haha, if you're breaking enduro bikes than I guess a converted DH is you're only option left.
Just make sure you find one with a fairly steep seatube angle (at least 75°, preferably more) that will work with a dropper. A steep seattube angle is the only real geometry difference these days between a DH and Enduro bike.
Can you fit a 12sp cassette on a DH? Aren't they wider than a 7/8sp?
@@ApexHerbivore GMBN Tech did a video on converting a DH to Enduro 3 weeks ago, and I dont believe they mentioned any specific issues. A new derailleur is definitely needed, but I imagine you may also need a new hub depending on your cassete choice.
Glad you were "Careful" on the downhill bike??? Great video!
Downhill if your riding chairlifts all day, i agree with Neil, i do not want to peddle/push up hills but they're buttery smooth and confidence inspiring, just tiring😧Enduro with soft sticky DH tyres for me (modern-day Enduro/free ride bikes can handle it imho) love my Slayer C70, i throw it off everything and cruse back up (I've always liked to earn my descend's, makes you fitter/stronger/harder/faster)💪
Just bought a hardtail as a total newbie and seeing the speed some of these guys descend is terrifying. You must know the trail well to be going that quick right?
Yes, usually we do one or two rides around to see and learn the different features so we know what to expect.
Great video cheers Neil will help lots of people coming into the hobby choosing the right bike great work as always
Thanks! 👍
Just bought my trek slash 8 two days ago and have to wait until January to get it😁
It’s tough to wait. I ordered a Trek Fuel Ex 9.7 yesterday and was told July!! 😢
Yeah at least we’ll enjoy them when they get there
For me personally, i found out that Enduro bikes are the Sweet Spot of bikes. Forgiving going up, and madness for going down :).
DH bikes are nice only if you have a frined to move you up the trail, or a lift. Otherwise .... why would someone spend thounsand of $ just to push the damn thing up the hill half of the time :D
My KTM Phinx is 120\100 travel with 29 inch wheels and it is awesome. 13.1 kg, can take a hard landing and it gets me uphill without a shuttle :)
Cross country bike. The most favourite
You should have included a blip on hardtails in this video
Me when I see gmbn pop up in a notification 📱 👈
me 2 lol
Loving my specialised camber. It’s great around my local trails
I really appreciate this review it was really insightful and now I really know the difference between a coilover and an air shock and I myself on my 29er I have a nice air shock and I believe it's a fox up front and rear
Anyone advice i want to buy a nukeproof mega am275 2014 model for 550 should i do it it seems nice and the brakes have been changed to new ones
Did you buy it.
I hate climbing and prefer to ride bikeparks so I got a singlespeed Downhillbike, but because I wanted to know how bad it is at climbing I did it once and well, it was a real pain in the ass.
Even if you only ride it on a flat road you´re done after a few minutes.
Thank you. Fun and knowledgeable video, nice trails as well! Never have ridden full suspension XC / trail MTB. Where hardtails do stand in this? Is hardtail still relevant? Thanks.
Man nice, love the videos
What's the best to climb?
Great video. Nice informative bike check that wasn't just a poorly disguised advert for a sponsor. Nice one GMBN 👍
It’s cool to see the difference in design an spec of these beasts but how does this effect price just curious to know the difference in pricing and how they justify £10 grand on a bike
brilliant video thanks for that!
I am starting Mountain biking, whats the difference in the build of the damper. Some are from the bottom of the bike upwards, some are under the top part of the frame.
Thanks and all good ride🤙
Good to see the latest Nukeproof stick stands are out
You are the King of bike
If anything you should wear a full face on a trail bike because it would be less controlled than a dh bike on those trails
pretty good time on uphilling this downhiller actually !
Good vlog that Neil, my bike collection needs a couple of additions though!!
Climbs on a DH bike. Can you not extend the rear shock, while compressing the fork and lock them out, to give a more forward tilt?
who else was disappointed when you saw that the last two bikes in the intro werent also raw and red
I have been riding for 3 and I know the differences but I still clicked this cuz why not
Can you guys do a trail bike vs enduro
is the rocky mountain slayer a enduro or a downhill or a freeride/super enduro?
SAME!!!!! i wanted to see the trail vs enduro head to head in this vid
I'm surprised that nobody points out XC tires need higher pressure for demanding trails (hence the flat). Vittoria's XC models (barzzo and mezzcal) are pretty soft without sidewall reinforcement, so they need extra 8-10 psi to withstand high speed rocky trails. Since it's a "time test" and this is not the first GMBN video with that theme, I'd expect a better preparation.
I been seeing lots of those canyon bikes lately. They definitely catch my eye
When I climb a hill on my xc bike, I have the same reaction as Neil riding the downhill bike up lol
i think that an important one people forget, especially if you are as talented and fast as Neil, is that DH bikes only come alive once you go fast. if you are a slower rider I don't think a DH bike will be as good as an enduro bike for you, DH bikes are really bad at turning and don't handle well if you are not fast enough but enduro bikes will come alive way faster. you need to get closer to the limits of a DH bike then you need to get to the limits of an enduro bike so enduro bikes in my opinion are way better DH bikes for beginners than actual DH bikes are.
I agree. If you ride Park a lot, worth it. If you go a couple/few times a year, rent one (a dh). I am trying to decide rt now, if ai want trail or enduro....
Damn... Neil popped a 2019 XC' bikes tires on one downhill trail after about 20sec. I'm casually riding a 2009 Canyon XC (FS) on downhill trails never popped a tire, and i can tell you I'm not going easy on it.
What’s the differences when the rear suspension is pointing down to when the suspension is pointing left to right?
It's not often I see a xc bike that I would like to have,, like the one in this video just put 140 fork and a riser bar on it and it's fit for Norway
I rode that line the other day at Forest of Dean. Still amazing to see how quick you can get down it. But u had my ebike so i defo got to the top quicker 🤣
Enduro FTW! 👍
me and my friends when we go up a 30° hill for 10 meters: 6:34
What type of MTB is a Diamondback Hook? At my school, my friends and I build dirt jumps around the back and ride their together. Im currently riding a bmx but want to upgrade. I want a mtb thats fine for jumping. Thanks for the video
Biking up push up hill at the dean even on an XC, youre a mad man lol.
Question. I did bmx dirt jumping as a kid and just got into mountain biking. Unaware of the MTB universe I’ve fallen in love with the “free rider” style. Basically I wanna go fast and fly high haha. Anyway It’ll probably be about a year before I purchase my next bike, but I was wondering if I could get some suggestions on what type of bike to start looking at for this style? Thanks, I’ve been appreciating all the info from this channel.
What design changes to an Enduro Bike would make it the *best* climber while giving up the least downhill capability? I'm a retired Mechanical Engineer wanting to design an innovative, highly capable Enduro without having much direct experience riding MTB's. I've done a lot of mountain road biking in my younger days, and know a lot about bikes in general, but the diversity of MTB's happened when I was too old to risk my body to the dangerous exhilarations of serious Mountain Biking. So, I have to ask advice from those in my potential market! I'm watching a lot of videos and reading/listening to a lot of comments to generate some ideas to add to several new ways of design I've already considered to make the Enduro rides much better, especially for EMTB's to improve the uphill experience! I'll entertain the wildest items on a wish-list for an Enduro, both Pedelec and not! Please be imaginative! Fine-tuning suggestions for existing features are always welcome too! Please also consider automated features that make the ride more immersive & less tedious; focused on the good stuff. Be bold; consider new suspension effects & tweaks; power-transmission possibilities and tweaks; more gearing range & lower or higher gears; off-grid options for more power; more portability; mind-reading AI controls of the bike; Google-Glass interface! Get crazy!
I'm not looking to steal anyone's proprietary idea here, so please share only what's not patent-worthy for you.
Thanks in advance! Don't forget to 'thumbs-up' this comment if it got you thinking!
In regards to the downhill bike, I'm surprised to hear him saying you want your weight tipped back on the rear of the bike. I thought that that was a classic riding style - whereas the modern riding style is to sit either center or forward. Then again, maybe the geometry and seat position of the downhill bike say otherwise...?
Is the Enduro bike carbon too or only alloy?
What should be your criteria that separates Trail and Enduro when you choose ? Can you go say 10 - 20 miles on an Enduro or would you regret not buying a Trail bike? I would buy ANY bike based 50 % health and 50% FUN- meaning I don't mind sweating, I don't do timing and I need to feel safe when I have fun.
At first, I think it was Grim Donut. It has the same color.
EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT!
lol
Modern endruo can do everything tail bikes can do, and can do a bit more. Unless your cross country, might aswell get a nice 29r enduro
I mean, I ride enduro trails on an XC hardtail, the carbon really makes for a nice ride, though it does beat you up quite a bit
I made a rookie error in getting a downhill bike when all my friends got enduro. Still my nukeproof pulse feels the dream going down tracks
Just go to the park as often as you can, nothing beats the feeling of a real DH bike on a DH Track!
Back in the mid 2000s Freeride or DH Bikes were all we got, there wasn’t a capable Trail or Enduro bike out there.
So we rode them everywhere!
Of course the uphills where often slow and we were pushing our bikes on to steep stuff, but the descends where always worth it.
We had all the fun in the world!
DH bike should have the lockout to help woth climbing. Its not just the weight its the suspension that slows you down and use more energy
Nice review bro...watch here in Philippines...