i kinda mentally divide this company into time periods...it still felt like a decent pro wrestling company until DB retired in 2015, then shit got weird....
Wwes just the biggest stage and known worldwide. They KNOW superstars love that company since they were a kid and brays father was a wrestler and it’s nostalgic and that’s where they worked their whole lives to be. Then they get kicked to the curb. That can really affect them. Wwe doesn’t care just a bunch of bullies and people who don’t know what they’re doing. Aew needs to the be the wcw that succeeds and gets everyone to switch over to aew
@Lucien Hicks Bray Wyatt was released 7/31 + 90 day no compete clause = 10/29 (2 days before Halloween) Bray Wyatt shows up as a psycho killer character on AEW Rampage Friday night 10pm - I am calling it.
Plot twist come back and starts nwo naw wwe drop the ball dude had a gift it’s time for Vince to fire behind scenes or Vince retire a lot has change since nick khan has came around
@@Vesperitis I mean we laugh, but if it got us insane NXT Nikki back, with her secrets and ability to part a ring full of women like Moses parting the sea? I'd accept it and be content. It WON'T... but a man can dream. I miss batshit crazy Nikki. She was the absolute best.
Bray Wyatt will go down as one of the biggest "what ifs" in all of wrestling. Bray gave WWE TWO stellar gimmicks to work with and Vince booked them like crap. What a waste of a great talent.
I remember how over he was when he won the WWE title. Then - almost like clockwork - he was booked like shit against Randy Orton. Mentally I hope he is OK - I know he was really struggling after Brodie Lee’s passing. Creatively he would be a benefit to any company who want him.
@@beengreat8014 If he retires from full time, I'll miss his presence but I will salivate at the possibilities of him working backstage with others. He may not be an 'AJ Styles' in the ring, but he is a creative fountain and offering his mind to help younger talent of the future find their feet? He'd be a colossal boon to any promotion.
@@pack1pick161 Never said anything like that, reading is fundamental. Those same guys you’re getting all moist about are going to take over, your Aew originals are going to take a backseat.
If Omos really was the reason for Braun's release that proves his inability to tell a good story. You could easily put the two together, have Braun lose in the beginning of the feud, which seeds doubt. Is he still a monster? Then Braun has to tap into the twisted Wyatt mindset to take the win proving that being a monster is not just about size. That still sucks but it would be a way around it without the need for Omos to look weak.
Also like Bryan said Omos has nothing to him apart from his size at least Strowman could go in ring and had decent matches or great matches if they booked him right or gave him good workers.
They didn’t have an idea?…..The evil Bayou family head? The firefly funhouse? The demonic devil? Jesus, how many ideas do these writers need? WWE should really be embarrassed. I also disagree that Braun’s gimmick is that of a “giant”. He’s a monster in the sense that he’s a powerhouse….lifting trucks, throwing dumpsters, powerslamming multiple people at a time
I hear that John Cena guy that Bray sent to hell came back. Imagine Cena having two programs with WWE instead of one, and all the money that would've made them if they knew how to use Bray correctly.
I don't know whether Dave has forgotten the difference between a wrestling giant (like Big Show) and a monster (like Vader), or whether he's just paraphrasing what WWE is thinking and _they're_ the ones who've forgotten the difference, which wouldn't surprise me. The giant gimmick is all about sheer size and immovability, like Omos- when he was younger, Andre the Giant had to be told to slow down, stop doing moves like dropkicks and deliberately wrestle more ponderously because it was affecting his giant aura. The _monster_ gimmick is different- size is an advantage, but it's about ferocity, unstoppability, sadism if they're a heel, the ability to destroy anything and everything in their path like a juggernaut, they fear no man and feel no pain. As well as Vader, other great monsters have included Goldberg, Lesnar, Undertaker, Kane, Umaga, Mil Muertes, Matanza, Lance Archer and so on. It's not about the size, it's about how they're going to destroy you. And Braun was the greatest monster WWE has had in years. Omos sure as shit can't be booked like a legit monster, nor can Aziz. Braun got over when he tried to _beat Roman Reigns to death._ The fact that WWE managed to fuck up and waste a guy who was _literally un-fuckupable_ is one of the most damning indictments of the modern company.
Braun is being undervalued by Dave and quite a few other people in the iwc. WWE made him look like a goof but he can be rehabilitated I think he has a ton of value to AEW.
The other problem is…when you book everyone with shitty 50/50 booking i guess you dont really need “stars”. Whats the point of having stars if you just job them out indiscriminately
If they have somewhat of a brain left in their heads, Alexa doesn't show up on RAW. In fact they should keep her off RAW, paid, for a month or two. And then she should resurface with her old "goddess" gimmick like nothing ever happened. Because if she shows up on RAW with her "fiendish" gimmick, with the "playground" (which still uses the font of the Firefly Funhouse), with the cursed doll....oh boy the fans will throw all of their hate for what they did to Bray at her. And poor Lexi Kaufman did nothing to deserve it.
@@BlackWind90 she was a willingly participant im willing to bet she has enough pull backstage since she’s a favorite to say “I don’t think I wanna continue doing this” she saw that opportunity to get herself over and she ran with it 🤷🏽♂️ I’m not blaming her but I don’t think she’s innocent either
A company took Bray’s brilliant idea, ruined it, ran it through a creatively devoid corporate process, repackaged it, and gave it to someone else at a significantly diminished value, then got rid of him, all while he was dealing with mental health issues from losing essentially a brother. If there’s a hell, I hope it has a special place for people like Vince.
@@datguymayn5819 i'm much older than that he can get another job things happen have you ever been fired before? Its okay Bray Wyatt will prob get signed somewhere else what's the big deal why are you so emotionally invested in this?
What’s funny about the narrative that “AEW [or even TNA before them] is just taking WWE talent” is literally the same thing for WWE. About every WWE wrestler comes from another promotion: ROH, Impact, MLW, NJPW, etc. WWE rarely grows their own talent
They're post-2001 fans that have drank the WWE kool-aid for so many years. In the 80s most of WWF's big names came from the AWA (Hogan was already a huge name after Rocky 3) In the 90s the WWF's biggest stars were meddling mid-carders from WCW (Foley, Taker, Austin, HHH) Then of course we have the era starting around 2013 until now where all their big stars came from TNA and ROH.
Truth. Only homegrown in the last 15 years there are Kofi, Big E, Miz, Lashley, Orton, and Ziggler. Every one else either came from somewhere else or had to leave the company and become bigger.
@@Bubba__Sawyer Yeah you're right the Rock and Cena (two of the biggest stars of the last 30 years) totally don't count as homegrown talent. Lol. WWE haters are so funny. It's easy to criticize WWE and still be objective, but most fans can't do that.
@@bthesilentgames yes and no. We are spoiled actually for great wrestling these days. Do I find the creative of most American shows God awful? Yes, and that includes AEW. But the actual matches etc even in WWE is relatively high quality every month. Add being able to stream NJPW and we truly are spoiled. Again, not to say both companies aren't without flaws. WWE panders to children and casuals with most of their product. AEW panders to diehard fans in their 20s and 30s. Sadly you need the kids, the olds AND the 20s and 30s to be truly successful but yeah.
I'm really looking forward to WALTER being called up. He will come to the ring with sausages and lederhosen. And his name will be changed. To Hanz Wurst. He can have a losing streak and Cole can scream how "he's the WURST!!!" every two minutes! 🤦♂️ I hate Vince's WWE so much right now... Even more than usual because that stupid as hell idea for WALTER? It just seems so damn plausible now.......
@@lookoutside9083 which guys? Why are you strawmanning against me? Do you even know what i value in wrestling? Look dude, this is not about fans vs fans, its about an stupid decision by a stupid company.
He was over as a big strong giant. Guys like Big Show, Mark Henry, and Kane all had like 20 years of in ring career in WWE. There is no way WWE can't think of anything to do with Strowman.
I still feel that Braun's WWE career ended when he was white-hot during the summer of 2018, and they didn't put the title on him after Roman Reigns took leave and relinquished the title. He was the biggest babyface in the company at the time, and instead of giving him the title, they jobbed him out to Lesnar. It felt difficult to take him seriously after that.
@@boblablaw1939 Being an idiot that doesn't know what the hell he's talking about? Keep being delusional. WWE keeps taking L's and AEW just keeps on rolling along.
@@boblablaw1939 not necessarily. It’s possible to be able to see that someone’s talented and/or marketable, but not necessarily enjoy said individual. You see it all the time in professional sports. For example, someone may love the Dallas Cowboys, but hate Philadelphia. That person, even in their hatred, can’t honestly say that the Eagles are talentless, or worthless. They’re not, their team is filled with pro football players also, they’ve made it to the dance. So the individual knows they’re good, but he simply prefers the Cowboys.
The SHIELD versus The Wyatt Family, when the crowd was chanting “This is awesome!” before the match even started. Chanting just for their entrances, and it was well deserved, is one of the greatest moments I’ve ever seen. The original Wyatt Family has always been my favorite Bray gimmick.
Not harder, just takes more freedom and less corporate enabling. Anyone getting over organically is stifled because they're not seen as marketable. If Daniel Bryan didn't have the crowd on his side, WWE would've been doomed until AJ Styles debuted.
@@wrestlingp That's why I'm not a big fan of WOR. I consider Wyatt a golden goose because of his merch sales, character, and storytelling. In the ring, he does not excite me.
No, it means unlike AEW they run it as a business, not a guy signing everybody WWE cut to ridiculous deals & then doing nothing with them & using it as a giant circle jerk for his juvenile buddies to feed their egos.
Two were tag champs on one show, two were feuding on the other. Was a good dynamic, biggest difference is they weren't losing matches like Braun was, and when they did they were immediately split.
Well having met Taker, Kane and Big Show multiple times, I can say this Taker was the exact same height as me and I'm only 6'6. Kane was maybe an inch taller and at most 6'7. Show is only 6'10 with Khali only being a couple of inches at most taller then Big Show at 7'0 even.
At this point, why does any wrestler sign with WWE? Bray's release is as clear a message as you can get: We don't care if you're homegrown and loyal, we don't care if you've grown up with the business all you life, we don't care how many PPV's you've main evented, we don't care how much merchandise you sell for us, we don't care how over you get with the audience, we don't care how creative of a mind you are, we don't care how many of our top guys you work with. You can have EVERYTHING to succeed, and we'll still cut you out of the blue because we want to. Anyone that feels secure in that company is kidding themselves. No wrestler that wants to feel a level of job security should consider signing with WWE an option.
I don't believe in the argument Dave makes that Braun couldn't be a monster with someone taller then him. Remember Taker against Giant Gonzalez? Or Underfaker vs Undertaker? Or Undertaker vs Kane? Braun could have been positioned as a strong man like he truly is, Ala Mark Henry.
They have literally no fucking clue what they are doing from a wrestling promotion stand point. They're just a publicly traded company that cares about profits. Not the quality of their product.
Bryan nailed it. They locked all these guys down a few years ago and now they're ripping up the deals. A WWE contract isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
LOL budget cuts but they’re paying Goldberg to work a 2 minute match a couple times a year and they’ll probably shell out money for Brock soon. This company is a joke.
no. get his creepo shows the hell away from aew. even khan was on record that he regrets booking the dumb levitation angle with hardy. i like aew the way it is right now. good solid wrestling and hot feuds. not magic garbage
We already lost one of DaParty, another one would be too much. Though thankfully Breeze is still doing his thing with UpUpDownDown. I'll whine on the internet for hours, if I lose my weekly Uno game.
@Bryan Robinson yeah. He never has good matches. And with all the promo time he's given, you think he would be better. What he really needs is a Rocco or Lilly. And cut the moveset down to what, 5 moves? And that physique? Too cut and in shape to be relatable. I've got it! Make him grow his hair in a ratty crow nest, take him off TV and let him eat nothing but KFC for months and months without working out and let him win the 24/7 title. As an electrician. They could call him Zap Fusebox. His finisher could be called Live Wire! Hell, add Otis to the gimmick and call them High Voltage!!! Book it Vince!
But thats the great thing about NJPW, they love creative and innovative characters even if it is cartoonish. He would have a great run there as an evil cult leader and would a big impact there.
The thing I never understood about Bray Wyatt in WWE is they gave him a lot of creative freedom, more than anyone else as far as I can tell, but they never actually knew how to book his characters. It was weird.
Bray Wyatt and Bo Dallas can finally team up possibly in NJPW, and let them eventually walk in through the "forbidden 🚪" into AEW next year. Just my guess.
Do the male main roster even have any characters left apart from "good wrestler" or "tough guy" ? You could argue roman and drew, maybe Rollins, but it doesnt help that they also almost look the same
Not many. Viking Experience are Vikings. That guy on the scooter is WWE’s jungle boy. Xavier Woods has a trombone. Baron Corbin lives in a van down by the river.
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 oh yea. Man, I'm glad I switched to new Japan and aew. It just feels like even when wwe accidentally stumble onto something hot or funny or entertaining they actively work to not get it over. Maybe they are legit worried itll overshadow their previous boys at the top or something. Idk
"Smorgosboard" was the word. But you can't use that as an argument for them signing anyone. The guy that has tons of crappy matches doesn't fit in a highly work-rate oriented company like AEW.
Its sad to say that its not that surprising as wwe completely transferred the Fiend gimmick from Bray to Alexa bliss after wrestlemania. To the wwe that gimmick could be played by anyone so they gave it alexa and kept bray out of television. Since wwe was ruthlessly releasing wrestlers several times, it was only *when* bray will be released not *if* , if he's kept off television for long. I think next it will be Keith Lee to be released as his booking has not been good this year
He was clearly hurt from the passing of Brody Lee. I think that had more to do with his time off than anything else. He's be a perfect leader for The Dark Order.
@@FinalFlameProductions first of all ur talking abt exciting not over Aew is more exciting but nwo sting goldberg were more over but that didn't last did it Second what happened to wcw Oh that's right they went out of business I don't see aew dying at any point especially with their successes
@@NostalgiNorden Well, the guy is better than Sonny Kiss, Joey Janela, Brandon Cutler, Stunt, Luchasaurus, Jack Evans, Orange Cassidy, Nakazawa, Peter Avalon, Chuckie T, etc. Or is he not?
This seems like a huge mistake on WWE’s part. AEW or any other promotion would love to have his creativity. I can’t wait to see what he will come up with next.
Creativity? His creativity was hated by the WOR subscribers who gave so many negative awards to him including worst gimmick for The Fiend just last year. Do we just forget about that due to blind hatred for the WWE?
Wrestling fans (and wrestlers apparently are like little spoiled brats who’s parents do everything for them every single day but the one day they don’t, they throw tantrums and literally neglect all the good things you do for them simply because they didn’t get that one toy at the store. They take and take and take but never look back and appreciate what they’ve been given. I’m not saying you have to be singing high praises, but you damn sure can’t act like you haven’t been given nothing. People are going to ignore every single moment that WWE allowed bray to entertain them, every time he made them smile, every time he made them pop and go ballistic.
The topic is Bray Wyatt and they talk about Strowman's gimmick being his size for what seems like half the video. Why would a "monster among men" gimmick be dependent on just his height? He got buff and would run down people. He wasn't just tall.
I swear Meltzer only sees modern wrestling through work rate and just improvs everything else.If it’s anyone who can’t go 40 minutes in the Tokyo Dome he instantly writes them off as expendable. Even the guys who can do the style he loves (ex. Naito, Ospreay) get the “banged up” label as soon as they slow down in any athletic way.
I disagree with Dave that Braun lost his monster gimmick appeal as soon a bigger wrestler came along. Maybe that what Vince thought but it's a pretty shallow way of looking at it. After all, both Kane and Mark Henry were able to get over as monster heels even though The Big Show was around throughout most of their careers (heck Mark Henry even fended with Big Show during his best run as a monster heel). What matters is how you're booked and how you carry yourself. As for Bray Wyatt, I feel bad for him as he was the victim of being almost too successful at his gimmick, causing WWE to suffocate him with it. In the beginning it was pretty straightforward. He had a split personality, alternating between a creepy version of Mr. Rogers to a full blown psycopath. This made him stand out among wrestlers and he got super over. Then WWE started bringing in magic and it was all downhill from there.
Vince's comment that AEW isn't competition in the same way that WCW was is right. He might have meant it in kind of a snide, backhanded way, still viewing AEW as nothing more than a glorified indy fed. But the overall point that WWE and AEW aren't rivals in the same way that WWF and WCW were is right. WCW was out for blood against WWF. Bischoff didn't want to just have a good show, he wanted to hurt WWF. And really, that was Vince's mindset with the territories in the 80s. So it's kind of hard to blame Bischoff for thinking that was the only way to compete with Vince. AEW doesn't appear to have anything close to that mindset. Maybe it's just a different era. Maybe it's the fact that a lot of the decision makers in AEW are also wrestlers and they understand that having another place to go is good for them. Whatever it is, AEW may occassionally take some petty jabs at WWE and vice versa, but it's not two companies trying to bankrupt the other. Hell, Jericho was a guest on Austin's podcast. Nothing like that would have ever happened during the Monday Night Wars.
Lmao..exactly. Dave is cool but its obvious he approaches these without any notes. If he had notes, he wouldn't fail so hard at sounding so pretentious and the "nuance" guy who's so smart he brings up the most obscure points,,,"I dont think AEW will beat them in stadum attendance but they actually already are in some cities"
That's Meltzer logic lmaooo. "He can be good but he might be bad. He He He yea....yea....probably be average like in the middle.....like Sukahama in New Japan in 92, he wasn't good but he wasn't....he wasn't bad....he was average. So it's likely he will be like that...one of the 3"
Probably because Bryan has no skills of being part of the WWE and has no respect from the fans. Maybe I could be wrong. I can see he’s never had a five star match of his career.
The idea that you can bankrupt AEW buy making them snag up talent is laughable. Even if they don’t sign a guy impact and NJPW can sign them and they can still get them on TV without the investment because they’ve built these relationships.
And they can sign them and loan them out to these other companies to help talent keep working and getting reps and notoriety. Aew really have a good thing going with this open door policy
You know even though he’s been released, it doesn’t change the fact or erase the amount of times WWE booked Bray on Tv and allowed him to potray his gimmick to you. It doesn’t change the fact that he beat Cena and Aj styles in a triple threat, doesn’t erase his awesome entrances. You don’t HAVE to act like a fucking spoiled brat every time a wrestler gets released. How about focusing on the good times for once?
How you figure that? If you actually look at AEW'S roster... a vast majority of them are either homegrown talent or from promotions outside WWE 🤔. The WWE talent that AEW signed are names people recognize, but it doesn't mean they make up a majority of that roster. Besides given Cody's relationship with Windham Rotunda (Bray) he'll do anything possible to get him into that company once his none complete clause is up 🤷🏽
I was just plain shocked when I saw the news on Twitter. From a creative standpoint, they ruined The Fiend with that no contest at Hell In A Cell, and then straight buried him 12 feet deep with that loss to Goldberg with that sorry ass Jackhammer. But, Windham Rotunda is so damn creative. To not have any role for him, I just don't understand. They fired his father, his brother, and now he's gone. I don't know what he does next, but he's got a loyal following that will support him wherever he goes.
7:15 Since when is Braun a 'below par worker'? Come on now, he's not amazing, but he's pretty damn solid in the ring. Sells well, doesn't hurt anyone, looks impressive, and let's not even pretend that Shanky, Omos or Azeez can do half the strength spots that Braun can, even if they're a bit taller. Braun is a much bigger 'giant' than all three of those guys, because you can immediately see how much stronger than them he is.
Agreed. Some of Braun's and Romans matches were really good. I will always remember Braun throwing the office chair in Romans face like a shot put. Guys beat the hell out of each other and told a good story. The guys you mentioned will never have one match that good.
Since big wrestlers like Lance Archer, Brodie Lee, Drew McIntyre, Brodie King, nevermind all the smaller workers, can be compared against his work? Hes average at BEST.
Someone who looks convincing in the ring, botches very rarely, and doesn't hurt anyone is already above 'average'. He won't wow anyone with his work rate, but he has impressed way more than he has disappointed.
@@Articorse because he's just big lol. you're being beyond generous for that reason and to his credit at one point he was over. But he's below average.
Never seen a long video where it seemed like they were talking about everything but the title of the video. Should've really called this Dave rambles on about Vince. And a little on budget cuts mostly about Braun who got released in June But I will say I'm surprised because I was expecting Bryan and Dave to be celebrating the fact that bray has gone but then again Bryan felt like he couldn't get a word because of Dave's history lesson of wcw and Vince and the 80's. And mumbling what was it another late night for dave. Was Dave sleepy again. Or is he getting to that age
Wanted to say one last thing. That Shield v Wyatt Family match at Elimination Chamber was an incredible match and one of the biggest reactions I've ever seen since 2003 from a WWE audience. And now, only Roman and Seth remain.
I don't see Omos making Strowman obsolete. He has a dadbod, slowping shoulders and a neck with a slightly amusing length. I guess if he could bulk up and lose the baby-fat lovehandles
Also wwe would have ruined the fiend inevitably. I want Wyatt and strowman in aew making their debut together taking over dark order as heel leaders making dark order the top heel faction again.
"Would have ruined"? Did you not see the Goldberg match, the Rollins HiaC, or the Orton WrestleMania match? They buried The Fiend as a gimmick MULTIPLE times.
@@MasterCarve I mean further ruined. I'm just glad I don't have to hear about another fiend arc that starts creatively competent only to be concluded with a terrible execution which makes him look like a joke. I mean, no matter how many times they ruin him, I would have still watched his storyline because he is that good.
I'd love to see the Prince back in NJPW! I hope he's made enough money in WWE that he doesn't need to work a crazy schedule and just knock out stellar matches every now and then. Back with the Club? Yes please!
I can STILL remember how WWE fans were so sure that Vince wouldn’t fuck up The Fiend, and we all tried to tell them differently. But they said, “this time is different..”
Wouldn't be surprising if they thought he wasn't needed since Alexa has practically taken over his fiend gimmick in a way and is continuing to make money from it. "Thanks for the idea Bray, but we'll have a person that we're actually high on to take over. And we don't think you're a top guy and your contract is very big so...gotta cut you pal!" Lol...such a trash company. Budget cuts my ass.
Not he first time that’s happened in WWE. We’ve heard stories before of wrestlers coming up with great ideas just for Vince to say “great idea, we’ll give it to Cena or Orton.” Happened in WCW too. Diamond Dallas Page (in an interview with Solomonster I believe) said when he pitched the idea for Hogan/Rodman vs DDP/Malone, Bischoff loved the idea but tried to give DDP’s spot to Macho Man. DDP had to fight for that spot and put his foot down. It helped that Malone actually was good friends with DDP. Most celebrities probably wouldn’t have cared either way.
Personally i do not want him in AEW because what I have seen of his gimmicks has never grabbed me, and I'm a metal and horror guy so it seems like they should. However my desire to see Vince eat all his words and be embarrassed grows by the day.
Give It Some Time in the Near Future Don’t be Surprised one day if there’s a Documentary called “The Rise & Fall Of WWE” where they interview ex-WWE performers on how toxic the environment is in that company.
Releasing full time wrestlers for "budget cuts" but bringing back Oldberg for 3 million per appearance seems legit.
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Goldberg's contract is the same from years ago. Plus Goldberg gets a better reaction than Bray.
@@CastrosCubs and sells no merchandise. Bray was top merchandise seller. Oldberg nowhere close
@@CastrosCubs for one show vs daily appearance.
Goldberg brings in casuals, weather you you like it or not, causals matter
I haven't seen smart booking like this since Dixie Carter let go of like 15 of her loyal wrestlers to acquire mid tier MMA fighters.
You mean like AJ Styles?
@Lucien Hicks Misogynistic mark
@@honeybadgerftuw what? Lol
@Lucien Hicks Can’t forget Dana Brooks
dana should just quit the industry...
Braun was the most over when he was trying to murder Roman on a weekly basis
Well, unfortunately wwe's main priority is Boring Overrated Reigns. Others are just extras without substance.
i kinda mentally divide this company into time periods...it still felt like a decent pro wrestling company until DB retired in 2015, then shit got weird....
@@Krokodilius it blew ever since DB won at WM. At least for me. Then Shinsuke and Asuka winning RR, made me stop watching full time ever since.
@@shoWbitz to be fair Roman is doing the best work of his career right now
@@BigHeroChris by being booked to dominate every match and bury everyone he comes near? Yeah great work alright. Much better then the shield
Good thing he's released, WWE doesn't deserve windham.
Wwes just the biggest stage and known worldwide. They KNOW superstars love that company since they were a kid and brays father was a wrestler and it’s nostalgic and that’s where they worked their whole lives to be. Then they get kicked to the curb. That can really affect them. Wwe doesn’t care just a bunch of bullies and people who don’t know what they’re doing. Aew needs to the be the wcw that succeeds and gets everyone to switch over to aew
@Lucien Hicks Bray Wyatt was released 7/31 + 90 day no compete clause = 10/29 (2 days before Halloween) Bray Wyatt shows up as a psycho killer character on AEW Rampage Friday night 10pm - I am calling it.
@@reeyadali8516 I disagree..... I watch Aew because the people you speak of are not on it.
The Fiend was lame..... Monsters and Demons? Come on now...... 🧀
Plot twist come back and starts nwo naw wwe drop the ball dude had a gift it’s time for Vince to fire behind scenes or Vince retire a lot has change since nick khan has came around
Why push Bray when we have Lily and we don't even need to pay her!
-Probably Vince
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- absolutely Nick Khan
Yeah, have her scare off a legit MMA fighter with a doll again. Maybe put her in a program with Nikki ASH.
@@Vesperitis I mean we laugh, but if it got us insane NXT Nikki back, with her secrets and ability to part a ring full of women like Moses parting the sea? I'd accept it and be content.
It WON'T... but a man can dream. I miss batshit crazy Nikki. She was the absolute best.
Point taken that doll has more worth than Eva Marie.😂😂
Bray Wyatt will go down as one of the biggest "what ifs" in all of wrestling. Bray gave WWE TWO stellar gimmicks to work with and Vince booked them like crap. What a waste of a great talent.
He is one of those guys that he was always over.He is one of the best character workers in wrestling history.
@@michaelrivera8360 “wrestling history”? 🙄 exaggerate living in the moment much?
He was a multi world champion? What are you talking about
@@ShadyDBZ4 from character worker he is apart from Jake the Snake he is one of those guys that put much a lot of character in stuff
@@shadowcounter9897 and they realesed him so yeah...
I remember how over he was when he won the WWE title. Then - almost like clockwork - he was booked like shit against Randy Orton. Mentally I hope he is OK - I know he was really struggling after Brodie Lee’s passing. Creatively he would be a benefit to any company who want him.
There’s rumors of him wanting to retire
He’s boring to watch
@@beengreat8014 If he retires from full time, I'll miss his presence but I will salivate at the possibilities of him working backstage with others. He may not be an 'AJ Styles' in the ring, but he is a creative fountain and offering his mind to help younger talent of the future find their feet? He'd be a colossal boon to any promotion.
@@Bananahammock681 What will he say to the young guys? "Make a new character that never sells."
@@outlaw9140 seems u mad because hes not flailing like a fish out of water in the ring
So glad I quit watching WWE a few years ago. NJPW AEW and ROH been treating me way better.
Yea so you’re really programmed
Wow and you still mention them🤣
That’s why the WWE talent that made became more mainstream is going to take over Aew and your precious indie darlings.
@@boblablaw1939 Yeah! Like Brian Danielson and CM Punk, who were never indy darlings and purely Vince McMahon creations!
@@pack1pick161 Never said anything like that, reading is fundamental. Those same guys you’re getting all moist about are going to take over, your Aew originals are going to take a backseat.
Remember when nWo debuted and Vince said he was injecting poison into his own company? Feels like he’s doing that now with these decisions.
Same
If Omos really was the reason for Braun's release that proves his inability to tell a good story. You could easily put the two together, have Braun lose in the beginning of the feud, which seeds doubt. Is he still a monster? Then Braun has to tap into the twisted Wyatt mindset to take the win proving that being a monster is not just about size.
That still sucks but it would be a way around it without the need for Omos to look weak.
Braun then can become Braun ASM (almost a super monster) during his feud with Omos until he can prove that he's a real super monster by beating him.
You’re right... that does suck
@@user-dq2zv6rc1g It's good shit pal
Also like Bryan said Omos has nothing to him apart from his size at least Strowman could go in ring and had decent matches or great matches if they booked him right or gave him good workers.
@@michaelrivera8360 agree. Brauwn is good enough to also draw money with a different gimmick. He does not need the monster gimmick to be ligit
Man I feel sorry for all the WWE diehards who aren't watching AEW lol...they're really missing out
I watched it, it’s funny to laugh at.
@@boblablaw1939 in that case you should check out RAW...you'll keel over 😂
@@phoenixmodellingphotography I don’t watch it, all I know is Aew is funny to watch.
@@boblablaw1939 Then go and watch Smackdown Family Drama and live in a stupid nostalgia all the time
@@164_hritikbanerjee8 Why are you emotional
"Budgetary reasons..." while they openly brag about their record profits.
they are liars and manipulators....always have been but more so in the last few years than before..
Political spin from Stamford.
They didn’t have an idea?…..The evil Bayou family head? The firefly funhouse? The demonic devil? Jesus, how many ideas do these writers need? WWE should really be embarrassed. I also disagree that Braun’s gimmick is that of a “giant”. He’s a monster in the sense that he’s a powerhouse….lifting trucks, throwing dumpsters, powerslamming multiple people at a time
I hear that John Cena guy that Bray sent to hell came back. Imagine Cena having two programs with WWE instead of one, and all the money that would've made them if they knew how to use Bray correctly.
I don't know whether Dave has forgotten the difference between a wrestling giant (like Big Show) and a monster (like Vader), or whether he's just paraphrasing what WWE is thinking and _they're_ the ones who've forgotten the difference, which wouldn't surprise me. The giant gimmick is all about sheer size and immovability, like Omos- when he was younger, Andre the Giant had to be told to slow down, stop doing moves like dropkicks and deliberately wrestle more ponderously because it was affecting his giant aura. The _monster_ gimmick is different- size is an advantage, but it's about ferocity, unstoppability, sadism if they're a heel, the ability to destroy anything and everything in their path like a juggernaut, they fear no man and feel no pain. As well as Vader, other great monsters have included Goldberg, Lesnar, Undertaker, Kane, Umaga, Mil Muertes, Matanza, Lance Archer and so on. It's not about the size, it's about how they're going to destroy you. And Braun was the greatest monster WWE has had in years. Omos sure as shit can't be booked like a legit monster, nor can Aziz. Braun got over when he tried to _beat Roman Reigns to death._ The fact that WWE managed to fuck up and waste a guy who was _literally un-fuckupable_ is one of the most damning indictments of the modern company.
@@ArcaneAzmadi not only that, they messed up several times with Wyatt. I have no idea how.
Braun is being undervalued by Dave and quite a few other people in the iwc. WWE made him look like a goof but he can be rehabilitated I think he has a ton of value to AEW.
The other problem is…when you book everyone with shitty 50/50 booking i guess you dont really need “stars”. Whats the point of having stars if you just job them out indiscriminately
Alexa is going get X-Pac heat over this. Vince is Legitimately senile
Xpac makes porn.
Alexa is trish2021
Not gonna happen jabroni
If they have somewhat of a brain left in their heads, Alexa doesn't show up on RAW. In fact they should keep her off RAW, paid, for a month or two. And then she should resurface with her old "goddess" gimmick like nothing ever happened. Because if she shows up on RAW with her "fiendish" gimmick, with the "playground" (which still uses the font of the Firefly Funhouse), with the cursed doll....oh boy the fans will throw all of their hate for what they did to Bray at her. And poor Lexi Kaufman did nothing to deserve it.
@@BlackWind90 no they won't
Oh no!
Anyway...
@@BlackWind90 she was a willingly participant im willing to bet she has enough pull backstage since she’s a favorite to say “I don’t think I wanna continue doing this” she saw that opportunity to get herself over and she ran with it 🤷🏽♂️ I’m not blaming her but I don’t think she’s innocent either
A company took Bray’s brilliant idea, ruined it, ran it through a creatively devoid corporate process, repackaged it, and gave it to someone else at a significantly diminished value, then got rid of him, all while he was dealing with mental health issues from losing essentially a brother.
If there’s a hell, I hope it has a special place for people like Vince.
Agree fellow Ryan
Dude your taking this way too seriously it’s just a release
@Karon Nuva what did he pull? Were you enjoying the show anyway with these other guys on it?
@@unbatheduncle “it’s just a release” the man literally lost his job lol you’re definitely a teen or a kid who has no idea how that feels.
@@datguymayn5819 i'm much older than that he can get another job things happen have you ever been fired before? Its okay Bray Wyatt will prob get signed somewhere else what's the big deal why are you so emotionally invested in this?
What’s funny about the narrative that “AEW [or even TNA before them] is just taking WWE talent” is literally the same thing for WWE. About every WWE wrestler comes from another promotion: ROH, Impact, MLW, NJPW, etc. WWE rarely grows their own talent
They're post-2001 fans that have drank the WWE kool-aid for so many years.
In the 80s most of WWF's big names came from the AWA (Hogan was already a huge name after Rocky 3)
In the 90s the WWF's biggest stars were meddling mid-carders from WCW (Foley, Taker, Austin, HHH)
Then of course we have the era starting around 2013 until now where all their big stars came from TNA and ROH.
Truth. Only homegrown in the last 15 years there are Kofi, Big E, Miz, Lashley, Orton, and Ziggler. Every one else either came from somewhere else or had to leave the company and become bigger.
@@eastwaters4082 Ummmm, Tribal Chief? Lol.
@@Bubba__Sawyer Yeah you're right the Rock and Cena (two of the biggest stars of the last 30 years) totally don't count as homegrown talent. Lol. WWE haters are so funny. It's easy to criticize WWE and still be objective, but most fans can't do that.
@@bthesilentgames yes and no. We are spoiled actually for great wrestling these days. Do I find the creative of most American shows God awful? Yes, and that includes AEW. But the actual matches etc even in WWE is relatively high quality every month. Add being able to stream NJPW and we truly are spoiled.
Again, not to say both companies aren't without flaws. WWE panders to children and casuals with most of their product. AEW panders to diehard fans in their 20s and 30s. Sadly you need the kids, the olds AND the 20s and 30s to be truly successful but yeah.
I'm so glad the budget was adjusted to have Eva Marie come back and Bray, Aleister, and others fired.. it's such good shit right?
I'm really looking forward to WALTER being called up. He will come to the ring with sausages and lederhosen. And his name will be changed. To Hanz Wurst. He can have a losing streak and Cole can scream how "he's the WURST!!!" every two minutes!
🤦♂️ I hate Vince's WWE so much right now... Even more than usual because that stupid as hell idea for WALTER? It just seems so damn plausible now.......
Well, someone has to wear a dopey hat and do one of the worst fake trips in television history.
@@DigestiveCeremony look up Titus o'Neil trip
Bray won numerous negative awards from the WOR subscribers. You should be happy was fired. But go ahead and use it to say 'WWE bad'.
@@wrestlingp And why did he win those awards? Bad WWE creative.
“Budget Cuts” is the biggest heel in WWE
They only spend real money on the big boys that make a difference like Cena, Rock & Lesnar.
@@daveborder7751 Don't forget Goldberg
Undefeated and no sells everyone’s finishes
>One of the top merchandise sellers in the company
>Released for budget cuts
Dazzling display of logic, why am i even surprise
Name his last great match in the past 5 years.
@@outlaw9140 Does it matter? He made money for them and they release him because they need money. Its above and beyond.
@@Anxomaxo It does matter, especially when you guys have boasted about in ring work like it’s the end all, be all.
@@lookoutside9083 which guys? Why are you strawmanning against me? Do you even know what i value in wrestling? Look dude, this is not about fans vs fans, its about an stupid decision by a stupid company.
If you put it that way how long until we're welcoming 'The Fresh Week' to the Impact Zone? Scary times for all.
It’s WWE’s fault that Braun Strowman was only booked as a giant. GIVE HIM A CHARACTER ARC!!!
They did, remember when he was stupid? That was his character arc.
They did. Didn’t he run around the ring making train noises?
Arc? It's not a fucking anime.
He was over as a big strong giant. Guys like Big Show, Mark Henry, and Kane all had like 20 years of in ring career in WWE. There is no way WWE can't think of anything to do with Strowman.
I still feel that Braun's WWE career ended when he was white-hot during the summer of 2018, and they didn't put the title on him after Roman Reigns took leave and relinquished the title. He was the biggest babyface in the company at the time, and instead of giving him the title, they jobbed him out to Lesnar. It felt difficult to take him seriously after that.
I feel Bryan’s frustration with Dave every time they speak on anything… ever!
Ikr
Meltzer says a lot without saying anything. Talks like a damn politician.
Dave's a hard listen with his constant over talking and stuttering. I cringe most of the time.
Seriously Dave talks in circles and doesn’t let Bryan speak
Trolls never seieses to amase me.
Wasn't the biggest fan of his in ring stuff, but dude was at least creative. WWE just gave other competition another gem of a wrestler
“Wasn’t a fan of his in ring work” “WWE just game other competition another gem of wrestler” contradicting much.
@@boblablaw1939 Being an idiot that doesn't know what the hell he's talking about? Keep being delusional. WWE keeps taking L's and AEW just keeps on rolling along.
@@boblablaw1939 not necessarily. It’s possible to be able to see that someone’s talented and/or marketable, but not necessarily enjoy said individual. You see it all the time in professional sports. For example, someone may love the Dallas Cowboys, but hate Philadelphia. That person, even in their hatred, can’t honestly say that the Eagles are talentless, or worthless. They’re not, their team is filled with pro football players also, they’ve made it to the dance. So the individual knows they’re good, but he simply prefers the Cowboys.
Yyyyyeeeaaa not a gem of a wrestler.
AEW won't sign him.
He is not good enough.
Wyatt: Let me in
WWE: Let you go
lol more like
WWE: No
Bro lol hilarious
I love how this is supposed to be about Bray but half the conversation is about Braun.
Another waffling session by Meltzer :S
If it's a video with Dave Meltzer that's about par for the course.
"Supposed to be"? They talk about whatever they want.
The SHIELD versus The Wyatt Family, when the crowd was chanting “This is awesome!” before the match even started. Chanting just for their entrances, and it was well deserved, is one of the greatest moments I’ve ever seen.
The original Wyatt Family has always been my favorite Bray gimmick.
It's harder and takes more time to harvest golden eggs. That's why WWE is just releasing away their golden geese.
Not harder, just takes more freedom and less corporate enabling. Anyone getting over organically is stifled because they're not seen as marketable. If Daniel Bryan didn't have the crowd on his side, WWE would've been doomed until AJ Styles debuted.
Golden geese? There's suddenly so much love now for someone who won numerous negative awards from the WOR subscribers.
@@wrestlingp That's why I'm not a big fan of WOR. I consider Wyatt a golden goose because of his merch sales, character, and storytelling. In the ring, he does not excite me.
Meltzer Meter
Ummm's:47
Annd's:13
we need an official counter for that lol
Sadly saw this coming since RAW decided to go with McIntrye vs Mahal , i mean the poor lad got Jobbed out at wm37 after a F***ing 6month build .
Orton busted his behind whole wyatt was too busy trying to stay in shape
You could see this coming from that God awful hell in a cell with Seth Rollins
When wwe says budget cuts that only means the creative has nothing for you
No, it means unlike AEW they run it as a business, not a guy signing everybody WWE cut to ridiculous deals & then doing nothing with them & using it as a giant circle jerk for his juvenile buddies to feed their egos.
28 minutes after release this video has 900 views and 200 comments. I think that speaks volumes about the community reaction to this news
Number one trend on Twitter in the United States for most of the day on Saturday. People are really pissed.
I get Dave’s point but I remember a time with Taker, Kane, Show, and Khali all shared tv time. And it did well.
Two were tag champs on one show, two were feuding on the other. Was a good dynamic, biggest difference is they weren't losing matches like Braun was, and when they did they were immediately split.
Well having met Taker, Kane and Big Show multiple times,
I can say this Taker was the exact same height as me and I'm only 6'6.
Kane was maybe an inch taller and at most 6'7.
Show is only 6'10 with Khali only being a couple of inches at most taller then Big Show at 7'0 even.
Big show was booked like shit during his run there.
At this point, why does any wrestler sign with WWE? Bray's release is as clear a message as you can get: We don't care if you're homegrown and loyal, we don't care if you've grown up with the business all you life, we don't care how many PPV's you've main evented, we don't care how much merchandise you sell for us, we don't care how over you get with the audience, we don't care how creative of a mind you are, we don't care how many of our top guys you work with. You can have EVERYTHING to succeed, and we'll still cut you out of the blue because we want to. Anyone that feels secure in that company is kidding themselves. No wrestler that wants to feel a level of job security should consider signing with WWE an option.
I don't believe in the argument Dave makes that Braun couldn't be a monster with someone taller then him. Remember Taker against Giant Gonzalez? Or Underfaker vs Undertaker? Or Undertaker vs Kane? Braun could have been positioned as a strong man like he truly is, Ala Mark Henry.
Dave's lost it tbh
I'm glad you wrote that comment so I didn't have too. Spot on brother.
They have literally no fucking clue what they are doing from a wrestling promotion stand point. They're just a publicly traded company that cares about profits. Not the quality of their product.
Bryan nailed it. They locked all these guys down a few years ago and now they're ripping up the deals.
A WWE contract isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
its a phony company run an egocentric liar....
LOL budget cuts but they’re paying Goldberg to work a 2 minute match a couple times a year and they’ll probably shell out money for Brock soon. This company is a joke.
Bray just booking AEW or other promotion would be gold
Would it though? This is the same Bray Wyatt who won numerous negative awards from the WOR subscribers.
Impact looks more likely.
no. get his creepo shows the hell away from aew. even khan was on record that he regrets booking the dumb levitation angle with hardy. i like aew the way it is right now. good solid wrestling and hot feuds. not magic garbage
" No cut clauses " will most likely be part of new deals to some stars coming in I'm sure
My goodness Dave never ceases to amaze me with how well he's mastered rambling.
Best $ 5 a month you can spend.
100% Agree
We are getting SWERVED. They said Bray Wyatt was released not Wyndham Rotunda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the best thing that’s happened for bray Wyatt. Who’s next down the pipeline they’re going to get rid of Cesaro???
Probably Keith Lee next before Cesaro.
@@hamanu666 I hate this sentence so much because if you're right, it's horrible, but if you're wrong, it's also horrible.
We already lost one of DaParty, another one would be too much. Though thankfully Breeze is still doing his thing with UpUpDownDown. I'll whine on the internet for hours, if I lose my weekly Uno game.
@@hamanu666 yeah i have a feeling hes gonna end up asking for release
@Bryan Robinson yeah. He never has good matches. And with all the promo time he's given, you think he would be better. What he really needs is a Rocco or Lilly. And cut the moveset down to what, 5 moves? And that physique? Too cut and in shape to be relatable.
I've got it! Make him grow his hair in a ratty crow nest, take him off TV and let him eat nothing but KFC for months and months without working out and let him win the 24/7 title. As an electrician. They could call him Zap Fusebox. His finisher could be called Live Wire! Hell, add Otis to the gimmick and call them High Voltage!!! Book it Vince!
Bray's scary characters would blend so well in NJPW. Their fans love that interaction.
But thats the great thing about NJPW, they love creative and innovative characters even if it is cartoonish. He would have a great run there as an evil cult leader and would a big impact there.
Like evils entrance
@Lucien Hicks That would rock. First foe? Toru Yano. God that would be brilliant.
The thing I never understood about Bray Wyatt in WWE is they gave him a lot of creative freedom, more than anyone else as far as I can tell, but they never actually knew how to book his characters. It was weird.
they seem to thrive on keeping the show as boring and bland as possible ....and thats not good for business....
Imagine The Cult of Windham on NJPW would be great. With Wyatt, Erick Redbeard ,Bo Dallas and maybe even Braun Strowman.
I like that, great idea
The real wrestling world is possibly getting a very creative mind in a couple of months thanks to WWE...again
Indeed 🤯💪
“The real wrestling world” sounds like a cult
@@lookoutside9083 ...yes, a "cult of personality" quite soon 😏😏😏 (sorry lol couldn't help myself!)
Wcw 2.0
@Lucien Hicks well...fn...said! 👏 👏 👏
Bray Wyatt and Bo Dallas can finally team up possibly in NJPW, and let them eventually walk in through the "forbidden 🚪" into AEW next year. Just my guess.
The entire Wyatt family are all gone
I'm pretty sure Kane and Big Show co-existed together and both were labeled as 'Monsters'
And they were tag champs together xD
Do the male main roster even have any characters left apart from "good wrestler" or "tough guy" ? You could argue roman and drew, maybe Rollins, but it doesnt help that they also almost look the same
Black hair, tall, and bearded. They honestly look like geographic defaults.
Not many. Viking Experience are Vikings. That guy on the scooter is WWE’s jungle boy. Xavier Woods has a trombone. Baron Corbin lives in a van down by the river.
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 oh yea. Man, I'm glad I switched to new Japan and aew. It just feels like even when wwe accidentally stumble onto something hot or funny or entertaining they actively work to not get it over. Maybe they are legit worried itll overshadow their previous boys at the top or something. Idk
"I'm not sure if he fits AEW"
Cody said from the start they want to make AEW like a buffet Bray connected with a LOT of people.
Guys a huge star tbh
"Smorgosboard" was the word.
But you can't use that as an argument for them signing anyone.
The guy that has tons of crappy matches doesn't fit in a highly work-rate oriented company like AEW.
@@NostalgiNorden many of the 145 lb skinny indy flippers cant tell stories or sell merch.
Its sad to say that its not that surprising as wwe completely transferred the Fiend gimmick from Bray to Alexa bliss after wrestlemania. To the wwe that gimmick could be played by anyone so they gave it alexa and kept bray out of television. Since wwe was ruthlessly releasing wrestlers several times, it was only *when* bray will be released not *if* , if he's kept off television for long. I think next it will be Keith Lee to be released as his booking has not been good this year
He was clearly hurt from the passing of Brody Lee. I think that had more to do with his time off than anything else. He's be a perfect leader for The Dark Order.
Did Meltzer say AEW was more exciting than WCW Nitro in late 90s ? Christ.
Nothing wrong
@@reubenelite I like AEW but nothing is more over than the NWO, Sting, Goldberg etc
It's just an opinion. If he finds it more exciting, then he is entitled to say so.
No, I think he said it's the most exciting time in wrestling *since* the late 90s.
@@FinalFlameProductions first of all ur talking abt exciting not over
Aew is more exciting but nwo sting goldberg were more over but that didn't last did it
Second what happened to wcw
Oh that's right they went out of business
I don't see aew dying at any point especially with their successes
God forbid that someone make a 7figure contract in wwe .
Vince is just basically handing him to AEW.
And AEW isn't gonna take him. He is not good enough.
@@NostalgiNorden Well, the guy is better than Sonny Kiss, Joey Janela, Brandon Cutler, Stunt, Luchasaurus, Jack Evans, Orange Cassidy, Nakazawa, Peter Avalon, Chuckie T, etc. Or is he not?
This seems like a huge mistake on WWE’s part. AEW or any other promotion would love to have his creativity. I can’t wait to see what he will come up with next.
Probably get scooped up by aew but aew haven’t really shined any of these big pick ups
Creativity? His creativity was hated by the WOR subscribers who gave so many negative awards to him including worst gimmick for The Fiend just last year. Do we just forget about that due to blind hatred for the WWE?
Wrestling fans (and wrestlers apparently are like little spoiled brats who’s parents do everything for them every single day but the one day they don’t, they throw tantrums and literally neglect all the good things you do for them simply because they didn’t get that one toy at the store. They take and take and take but never look back and appreciate what they’ve been given. I’m not saying you have to be singing high praises, but you damn sure can’t act like you haven’t been given nothing. People are going to ignore every single moment that WWE allowed bray to entertain them, every time he made them smile, every time he made them pop and go ballistic.
"I don't know what Vince is thinking."
I don't know if Vince knows.
The topic is Bray Wyatt and they talk about Strowman's gimmick being his size for what seems like half the video.
Why would a "monster among men" gimmick be dependent on just his height? He got buff and would run down people. He wasn't just tall.
I swear Meltzer only sees modern wrestling through work rate and just improvs everything else.If it’s anyone who can’t go 40 minutes in the Tokyo Dome he instantly writes them off as expendable. Even the guys who can do the style he loves (ex. Naito, Ospreay) get the “banged up” label as soon as they slow down in any athletic way.
Vince McMahon fires them, kicks them off the ship, and Tony Khan is waiting underneath with a giant net
I disagree with Dave that Braun lost his monster gimmick appeal as soon a bigger wrestler came along. Maybe that what Vince thought but it's a pretty shallow way of looking at it. After all, both Kane and Mark Henry were able to get over as monster heels even though The Big Show was around throughout most of their careers (heck Mark Henry even fended with Big Show during his best run as a monster heel). What matters is how you're booked and how you carry yourself.
As for Bray Wyatt, I feel bad for him as he was the victim of being almost too successful at his gimmick, causing WWE to suffocate him with it.
In the beginning it was pretty straightforward. He had a split personality, alternating between a creepy version of Mr. Rogers to a full blown psycopath. This made him stand out among wrestlers and he got super over. Then WWE started bringing in magic and it was all downhill from there.
I'm sure Bryan could remodel a house in the time it takes Dave to make some kind of point. Ugh 🤮
Vince's comment that AEW isn't competition in the same way that WCW was is right. He might have meant it in kind of a snide, backhanded way, still viewing AEW as nothing more than a glorified indy fed. But the overall point that WWE and AEW aren't rivals in the same way that WWF and WCW were is right.
WCW was out for blood against WWF. Bischoff didn't want to just have a good show, he wanted to hurt WWF. And really, that was Vince's mindset with the territories in the 80s. So it's kind of hard to blame Bischoff for thinking that was the only way to compete with Vince. AEW doesn't appear to have anything close to that mindset. Maybe it's just a different era. Maybe it's the fact that a lot of the decision makers in AEW are also wrestlers and they understand that having another place to go is good for them. Whatever it is, AEW may occassionally take some petty jabs at WWE and vice versa, but it's not two companies trying to bankrupt the other. Hell, Jericho was a guest on Austin's podcast. Nothing like that would have ever happened during the Monday Night Wars.
Firing your biggest merch mover because of budgetary reason is stupid 😂😂😂
But bring back cena and goldberg
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Saving ten minutes for everyone who can't listen to Dave: "who knows, I mean yknow but ydon't know, yknow"
YW
dang maybe this is why he turned up the physique, he's jacked now maybe to replace the "lack of height"
Crazy init? At 6 feet 2 inches tall he's considered short. Ah well. They can hire another Omos to be tall and green.
“You can only market one monstrous giant on a brand, unless you market two”
Great logic there Dave!
Lmao..exactly. Dave is cool but its obvious he approaches these without any notes. If he had notes, he wouldn't fail so hard at sounding so pretentious and the "nuance" guy who's so smart he brings up the most obscure points,,,"I dont think AEW will beat them in stadum attendance but they actually already are in some cities"
That's Meltzer logic lmaooo.
"He can be good but he might be bad. He He He yea....yea....probably be average like in the middle.....like Sukahama in New Japan in 92, he wasn't good but he wasn't....he wasn't bad....he was average. So it's likely he will be like that...one of the 3"
Cody was brays “mentor” in the early days of NXT plus his dad used to love Bray I’m positive Cody will push to get him in the door
He’ll avenge Brodie Lee and be the new leader of the dark order. It’s scary how much sense it makes.
Dave's ability to talk at length, misunderstand Brian, contradic himself, as well as say not much at all is amazing. 'Ya know'
Probably because Bryan has no skills of being part of the WWE and has no respect from the fans. Maybe I could be wrong. I can see he’s never had a five star match of his career.
Imagine still supporting wwE 😞
Now they can afford buff bagwell
The idea that you can bankrupt AEW buy making them snag up talent is laughable. Even if they don’t sign a guy impact and NJPW can sign them and they can still get them on TV without the investment because they’ve built these relationships.
And they can sign them and loan them out to these other companies to help talent keep working and getting reps and notoriety. Aew really have a good thing going with this open door policy
You know even though he’s been released, it doesn’t change the fact or erase the amount of times WWE booked Bray on Tv and allowed him to potray his gimmick to you. It doesn’t change the fact that he beat Cena and Aj styles in a triple threat, doesn’t erase his awesome entrances. You don’t HAVE to act like a fucking spoiled brat every time a wrestler gets released. How about focusing on the good times for once?
Dave's inside info has really dried up since the release of the Brooklyn Brawler
This comment deserves more attention.
Imagine being in a war and giveing your enemies ammo
Of course AEW would sign him. Any company would
Bray isn't good enough for AEW. Tou actually need to have good matches there and Brays matches has been shit for years.
The Fiend losing to Goldberg was the dumbest thing ever. I said it then, and I’ll say it now.
With Black, Andrade, Punk and Bryan all being in AEW by the end of the year, I really dont know if AEW has room for another Ex-WWE wrestler right now.
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How you figure that? If you actually look at AEW'S roster... a vast majority of them are either homegrown talent or from promotions outside WWE 🤔. The WWE talent that AEW signed are names people recognize, but it doesn't mean they make up a majority of that roster. Besides given Cody's relationship with Windham Rotunda (Bray) he'll do anything possible to get him into that company once his none complete clause is up 🤷🏽
I’m heartbroken by this. The Fiend was my favorite character in WWE. Ugh this hurts. I just hope Bray is OK & is back in action somewhere soon.
Until the dumb marks like Bryan and his minions have to ruin everything.
I doubt that Bray’s salary was higher than what his IP was pulling in via merch and licensing
What the logic here. We had Kane, Undertaker and Big Show all booked as giants
I was just plain shocked when I saw the news on Twitter. From a creative standpoint, they ruined The Fiend with that no contest at Hell In A Cell, and then straight buried him 12 feet deep with that loss to Goldberg with that sorry ass Jackhammer. But, Windham Rotunda is so damn creative. To not have any role for him, I just don't understand. They fired his father, his brother, and now he's gone. I don't know what he does next, but he's got a loyal following that will support him wherever he goes.
The same people that’s screaming they’ve wasted Bray are the same one’s who were just saying Bray can’t work😂😂.
7:15 Since when is Braun a 'below par worker'? Come on now, he's not amazing, but he's pretty damn solid in the ring. Sells well, doesn't hurt anyone, looks impressive, and let's not even pretend that Shanky, Omos or Azeez can do half the strength spots that Braun can, even if they're a bit taller. Braun is a much bigger 'giant' than all three of those guys, because you can immediately see how much stronger than them he is.
Agreed. Some of Braun's and Romans matches were really good. I will always remember Braun throwing the office chair in Romans face like a shot put. Guys beat the hell out of each other and told a good story. The guys you mentioned will never have one match that good.
Since big wrestlers like Lance Archer, Brodie Lee, Drew McIntyre, Brodie King, nevermind all the smaller workers, can be compared against his work? Hes average at BEST.
Someone who looks convincing in the ring, botches very rarely, and doesn't hurt anyone is already above 'average'. He won't wow anyone with his work rate, but he has impressed way more than he has disappointed.
@@Articorse because he's just big lol. you're being beyond generous for that reason and to his credit at one point he was over. But he's below average.
Never seen a long video where it seemed like they were talking about everything but the title of the video. Should've really called this Dave rambles on about Vince. And a little on budget cuts mostly about Braun who got released in June
But I will say I'm surprised because I was expecting Bryan and Dave to be celebrating the fact that bray has gone but then again Bryan felt like he couldn't get a word because of Dave's history lesson of wcw and Vince and the 80's. And mumbling what was it another late night for dave. Was Dave sleepy again. Or is he getting to that age
First time listening to Dave?
@@dogsbreakfast4952 I wish. But most of the time he's on in the background while I do stuff around the house.
If aew wants rotunda then he will end up there with a similar but even scarier gimmick
Him and malaki black letting them both do their own characters would be great in aew
Weird, I don't remember Braun Strowman being the "Giant among men."
hes a big guy but not a giant....
Dave constantly uses phrases “yanno” “erm” “I mean” in every single sentence
Insert “first time?” Meme
Wanted to say one last thing. That Shield v Wyatt Family match at Elimination Chamber was an incredible match and one of the biggest reactions I've ever seen since 2003 from a WWE audience. And now, only Roman and Seth remain.
Dave has never sounded more clueless
Dave "Blue's Clue" Meltzer.
@@raheemblount499 🤠🙌
I don't see Omos making Strowman obsolete. He has a dadbod, slowping shoulders and a neck with a slightly amusing length. I guess if he could bulk up and lose the baby-fat lovehandles
He's such a fearsome giant that he has to wrestle in a shirt.
Also wwe would have ruined the fiend inevitably. I want Wyatt and strowman in aew making their debut together taking over dark order as heel leaders making dark order the top heel faction again.
"Would have ruined"? Did you not see the Goldberg match, the Rollins HiaC, or the Orton WrestleMania match? They buried The Fiend as a gimmick MULTIPLE times.
@@MasterCarve I mean further ruined. I'm just glad I don't have to hear about another fiend arc that starts creatively competent only to be concluded with a terrible execution which makes him look like a joke. I mean, no matter how many times they ruin him, I would have still watched his storyline because he is that good.
Take a shot if you hear "you know".
I'ma make a prediction, Finn Balor will be released by the end of the year. They'll use him to put over Roman a couple of times and then cut him
I'd love to see the Prince back in NJPW! I hope he's made enough money in WWE that he doesn't need to work a crazy schedule and just knock out stellar matches every now and then. Back with the Club? Yes please!
I can STILL remember how WWE fans were so sure that Vince wouldn’t fuck up The Fiend, and we all tried to tell them differently. But they said, “this time is different..”
Wouldn't be surprising if they thought he wasn't needed since Alexa has practically taken over his fiend gimmick in a way and is continuing to make money from it. "Thanks for the idea Bray, but we'll have a person that we're actually high on to take over. And we don't think you're a top guy and your contract is very big so...gotta cut you pal!" Lol...such a trash company. Budget cuts my ass.
Not he first time that’s happened in WWE. We’ve heard stories before of wrestlers coming up with great ideas just for Vince to say “great idea, we’ll give it to Cena or Orton.” Happened in WCW too. Diamond Dallas Page (in an interview with Solomonster I believe) said when he pitched the idea for Hogan/Rodman vs DDP/Malone, Bischoff loved the idea but tried to give DDP’s spot to Macho Man. DDP had to fight for that spot and put his foot down. It helped that Malone actually was good friends with DDP. Most celebrities probably wouldn’t have cared either way.
What the hell is Dave talking about? Weren’t Big Show, Kane, Taker, Khali, Viscera all around at the same time??
The scary part is Vince might be thinking just like Dave.
Personally i do not want him in AEW because what I have seen of his gimmicks has never grabbed me, and I'm a metal and horror guy so it seems like they should. However my desire to see Vince eat all his words and be embarrassed grows by the day.
9:35 "From aaaaa... you know...whatever...whatever...you know..."
Lmao fascinating stuff, Dave.
Bray should go to AEW and lead the Dark Order.
there is ALOT of potential with this.
@Karon Nuva Agreed. But it would make sense to bring in Strowman and Redbeard because of the history as well.
Give It Some Time in the Near Future Don’t be Surprised one day if there’s a Documentary called “The Rise & Fall Of WWE” where they interview ex-WWE performers on how toxic the environment is in that company.