Reacting to Mr. Darcy's Proposal: A Pride and Prejudice First-Time Watch
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You really need to watch the 1995 England edition. It's 4 parts and is most awesome version starring Colin Firth. You will get so much great detail. ✌ Hi from NYC.
B B C version gives you more, imho but I love this version too
Thank you. You're the only one who has ever made this comment: "He's taking a page out of her book and going for a walk to her". That was beautiful. All of it was beautiful.
I feel like people reacting to this movie don't understand that in the church scene, Col. Fitzwilliam was trying to talk up Darcy. He wasn't trying to spread rumors, he was trying to play wingman for his boy! I think he knew that Darcy was planning to propose. He was telling Lizzie what a loyal man Darcy is and how he looks out for the people he loves, but since DARCY didn't tell Fitz specifics about the family, he didn't know he was talking about Lizzie's sister. It wasn't malicious! 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Wasn’t he the one who tried to get Darcy dancing with Lizzie at one point in the book or am I just misinterpreting the scene?
I never thought about him hyping up his boy, but I honestly just thought he was a plot devise to move the story, I mean that is true, but I never thought about it that way. Thanks!
There is soooo much people reacting don’t understand.
Depending on who you ask/what method of calculating inflation you use (and converting from pounds to dollars), Mr. Darcy’s income of 10,000 pounds a year is equivalent to somewhere from $900,000 to $16 million a year, so he was very wealthy. Marrying cousins was a common practice at that time (creepy as that is). The 1990s BBC miniseries lets you see more interactions and character development due to the extra time.
I've come to like the film version but the BBC adaptation is my favourite! Both versions have great casts and performances
Marrying cousins is still going on in the UK. My in laws were cousins (in a country where it's common)
And then there's Alabama
It's closer to the $16 million end.
@@juneseghniIn Brazil it's very common too... 4 cousins and one of the brothers of my husband are married to their cousins... We both think that this is f***ing weird.
It's difficult for a movie to explain Lydias situation, espesially by todays moral standards. 1. Lydia had been 'brought out' at 15 by her parents, indicating she's ready to be married. 2. By running off with Mr. Wickham, she shows her lack of morals, which means no-one will want to marry her. 3. Her lack of morals indicate that her family also lack morals. = Very little likelyhood that anyone will marry them. Especially considering their lack of money. 4. If Lydia didn't marry Mr Wickham and no-one else would, Lydia wouldn't be able to get 'honest work', she wouldn't be allowed home most likely, and would probably end up in the street. 5. This again would reflect on her sisters, and the downward circle continues.
It is a lovely story and I find the social commentary facinating, but I'm quite happy with not being struck in those tight social spheres and rules. And where women needed to be completly innocent to have any worth.
And to be honest, it all still applies today. I can go on a youtube channel right now where people are judging someone based on who they were with romantically even when they were young. And if you read her other books, you will see characters they show what could happen when life doesn't go your way.
And "innocent" meaning "virgin" back in these days, as if there's anything wrong with having s*x.
Honestly the Bennett girls are in a bad spot and it's largely their parents fault. Mr. Bennett knows the property is entailed (his cousin Mr. Collins will inherit when he dies), but he's always seen with his little hobbies instead of investing in either the social capital or the education that might help his wife and daughters when he's gone. Lydia has lots of good qualities (everyone likes her!) but the "give her enough rope" method of parenting makes her a target for a manipulator like Wickham.
Also it was a period when women had little or no future other than marriage. Employment opportunity was all but nonexistent for women. The social stigma for premarital sex was extremely high for women. Austen hints that Wickham intended to abandon Lydia at his earliest convenience and find a wealthy woman across the pond. Wickham would have to travel that far to evade Darcy's retribution. As it is, Darcy's bribe saved Lydia from a near immediate fall into prostitution. And since the two older Bennett girls married wealth, they will ensure Lydia never has to fall that far. She will have to live apart from the family as Elizabeth means to rescue Kitty from Lydia's wild influence and Kitty does eventually straighten up.
This is still the reality for majority of girls and women in the world today, unfortunately. And you can still see it play out in western nations if a girl woman is too sexual.
Very happy to ser a guy with so much insight. Just remember, in those days, a woman's only goal in life was to marry well. Very few women of thr gentry could earn a living. And the timeline of the book runs more than a year, in which Lizzy and Mr Darcy spent months in company. Also, people made up their minds more quickly if they liked someone enough to get married. Marriages were sacred then, so you worked on them. And marrying cousins was not unheard of. Mr Collins eas a distant cousin, too. His father was Mr Bennett's cousin
Only goal, and only option, really.
The thing about realtionships being fast is that, at the time, there was no "dating". You would find someone interesting and marry them. They couldn't even be alone together. That's why Lydia running away with a man would ruin not only her but her whole family. If she was considered "loose", the whole family would be seen as immoral and in a family with only girls and no real money, that was as bad as death. Remember that during that era, women of their social status didn't really work or had any money or property of their on. That is why the mother was so intent on marrying her daugthers, they would loose everything after their father passed away. Their only hope was for at leat one of them to marry well (someone with money) so that the whole family would have somewhere to go after losing their estate and money source with the death of their elderly father. Everything would go to their stranged cousin and they would have to relly on charity of others to survive
Yes, and they also show Elizabeth on the swing which shows fall and winter passing, in the beginning of the movie its like summer and I guess at the end its spring or summer so 3/4 years or a whole year for that time isnt even that short.
Another of Austen’s novels, Sense and Sensibility, deals with what happens to unmarried daughters if their father passed away (which was what Mrs Bennett was afraid of). There is a wonderful film adaptation of this book from 1995, starring Emma Thompson, Kate Winslet and Alan Rickman, which is well worth watching!
Yes he must ! 🙏
The 2008 BBC Mini Series is far better overall in my opinion. As much as I l normally love Emma Thompson, it was a serious stretch for her to play a character so much younger than she was. Again personally, the only thing I rank higher in the 1995 film is the casting of Alan Rickman. The age appropriate actress in the lead roles, divine cinematography, and the longer story format make the 2008 version my hands down winner.
Sir, you're a real one for catching the subtle emotional undertones.
women didnt have any other options than to marry at the time. The mother wasn't out of line. She wanted her daughters to have the best matches possible. In that time period, women of the gentry weren't even allowed to support themselves. That's why marrying was so important.
Mr. Darcy, our neurodivergent king!
And as far as women marrying for "comfort" - they were marrying FOR SURVIVAL. They couldn't earn money or inherit ANYTHING, so they needed to marry someone who could take care of them. And yes, Mr. Collins inherits the Bennet estate when Mr. Bennet dies because Mr. Bennet doesn't have any sons. So, Mr. Collins, as the next closest male relative, gets the estate. That's why he was trying to marry one of the Bennet daughters/his cousins. Marrying one of the them was a favor so the estate would at least stay in the family. He still has his own house (with the new wife, Lizzy's friend) but he'd still inherit Mr. Bennet's estate as the closest male relative. Mr. Collins as a leader of a church, must marry as an example of a godly life. So, he's making decisions based on necessity - because he doesn't need to make it based on a romantic connection.
Yes!!! All of what crissimora said!
I'd also like to add that if Mr. Darcy hadn't paid for Lydia and Wickham's wedding (and paid Wickam), the scandal of Lydia living with a man out of wedlock would have ruined their family. The scandal would have prevented Mr. Darcy from marrying Elizabeth, and her sisters would be unable to marry.
Women could inherit in the regency period. Mr Bennet made a bad choice. Once he inherited (probably before having children) decided to set the land inheritance to be for a son and then it could be broken again and land sold off. He didn't save for a dowry for his daughters hoping a son would come along, but many others in the elite at the times either set the inheritance for all their children or the eldest so as to not end up in the Bennet's predicament. He also married for love and not money, thus not increasing the family wealth and not giving them ample social status
@@mumofmany1498 It was more likely some ancestor of his who entailed the property.
@rachelmap100 there's a line in the books from Mrs Bennet that implies it was Mr Bennet but I can't be bothered looking it up. The land laws could be broken every 2nd generation, so could have been his father, and without looking up the quote I can't be sure, but I'm fairly confident it was Mr Benett before he had any children thinking he would have at least 1 son
Women could earn money as governesses but it was a shit life.
An additional historic info: back then it was not very common for men and women to just converse on the street or meet casually, so dances were one of the only chances to meet another, look at possible marriage options and even have a little physical contact.
Austens novels and dialogues are always very layered, very wittyful and full with social commentary of the time.
As for collins: at that time there is no female heritage possibility, so by mr. Bennett not having any sons his property will go to mr. Collins as soon as he dies. So the only option for them is to marry everyone off beforehand or most ideal, marry one of their daugthers off to collins to keep the house 'in the family'
As for lydia: not only has she run away unmarried, by them staying together overnight it is heavily implied they had sex, so their only option now is to marry to not completely disgrace the whole family
Women could inherit, it just was complicated. And because it was complicated it was a common thing to prevent your children from being stupid and splitting up the land was to entail the estate to the male line. Which is what happened with their house.
All about that classism...hence pride and PREJUDICE. Still a lovely story.
absolutely loved this reaction! but this whole time i was thinking you’re looking at love/marriage from a modern view like women were basically property back then and there wasn’t really such a thing as dating or getting to know your suitor. as a mother/daughter a lot of life revolves around securing marriages so the daughters and family could live comfortably-especially if there was not direct male heir to ensure all the women would be taken care of
Love this movie. They have so much chemistry! We can feel through the screen.
I love this freaking movie. I have probably seen it 100 times. Not even exaggerating.
Same
You kept saying that everything seemed to be rushed, but time is a little deceptive in the movie. I can't remember how long it was in the novel, but these events did happen to occur over quite a bit of time, so it wasn't as rushed as it seemed on screen.
Mr. Collins was Mr. Bennett's heir, since inheritances were passed down to the closest male relative. Mr. Collins didn't actually have a home of his own. That house was provided to him by Mr.Darcy's auntie as part of his employment as the vicar of the parrish. And it's and unfortunate truth that back then, that cousins often married each other. Usually to keep property and fortunes in the family. Common enough but still ick.
Agreed. Iirc, Bingley was said to have moved in to Netherfield around Michelmas (September 29th), and then left some time prior to Christmas. Lizzie then went to Rosings around March and stayed until after Easter. Then she went on the trip to Derbyshire with her aunt and uncle in midsummer, around July. Then Mr. Bingley and Mr. Darcy returned to Netherfield some time after Lydia married Wickham, around a year after Bingley first moved in.
@@aquiamorgan2416Jane/Bingley and Lizzie/Darcy didn't see one another for a lot of that time though. But it didn't really matter because the criteria for marriage was so different. Everyone was expected to marry but it was especially important for men of property, means, and title to marry and produce a male heir. Society granted Darcy and Bingley a little more leniency when choosing a wife because they were landed gentry rather than nobility. Lizzie and Jane weren't exactly ideal but they were suitable (barely) because even though the family fortune was long gone they were still considered well bred young ladies. The second requirement was that the lady and her family must be of good moral character. But according to those standards the Bennett family was in a very precarious position. Mr Bennett had inherited a house, land, and just enough money to provide a modest living for his wife and five children. But British law forbade women from owning or inheriting property, and since Mr Bennett never fathered a son his closest male relative (Mr Collins) would inherit everything upon his death. Mr Collins was kind of a tool but he wasn't actually a bad guy. In his way he was doing his best to restore the family's fortunes. As a rule England's class system was a very strict hierarchy. Namely, 1)Nobility, 2)Landed gentry, 3) Formally educated professionals (Doctors, lawyers, etc), 4)Business owners, 5)Working class tradesmen and servants. The only paying "job" acceptable for the landed gentry was being a member of the clergy. Even though Mr Collins was heir to Mr Bennett's estate he knew the money would run out eventually and he needed an income. As much as we love Mr Bennett he never worked a day in his life. He lived off of his inheritance without contributing anything to the (rapidly dwindling) family coffers. I think Mr Collins cultivated a relationship with Lady Catherine solely because he wanted to restore his family name to its former glory. Lady Catherine was both nobility AND extremely wealthy. People of that class would often "adopt" a local clergyman, not only to demonstrate their piety and Christian charity among society but to buy a kind of "Get out of Jail Free" card with the Almighty. Lady Catherine didn't have a son either so who better to leave all that lovely money to than the church? With a nice, fat bonus earmarked for dear, faithful Reverend Collins of course. And I'd say he honestly deserved it because his service and devotion to her was completely genuine. He sincerely admired and respected that crotchety old woman because he truly believed that members of the highest class were innately superior. Lydia's actions could have easily resulted in the complete destruction of the Bennett family name, despite any and all effort Lizzie, Jane, and Mr Collins put into preserving it. If I'd been in Lizzie's shoes when Lydia showed up waving that wedding ring around after Darcy bailed her out I'd have BEAT HER ASS in front of God and everybody! The simple fact that such a thing was allowed to happen purely due to a lack of the most basic parental supervision is appalling! Seriously, if Darcy hadn't smoothed that over it would have absolutely RUINED the whole, extended family. And can you even imagine how GALLING it was for Darcy to offer Wickham a shit ton of cash so he'd marry Lydia?? Personally I would have shot Wickham dead and forced Lydia to swear he kidnapped her before I would have given either of them one dime.
“Sir get out!”😂my thoughts exactly.
I too, wanted more scenes with Elizabeth and Darcy. I still wish for a part II.
Mr Collins is set to inherent their estate when Mr Bennett dies because they have no sons. Unless the daughters marry well they're pretty much SOL because they've got nowhere to go. Marrying well isn't about comfort, but about survival. Also, you have to remember that this is a movie adaption of a book. If it seems to be going too fast, there's a lot more time going by than you think. You might be interested in watching the BBC Mini series version for that reason, it shows more of the things that happen and the time going by
Despite not knowing much about the society in which this film takes place (e.g. social mores/expectations/rules), you have great insight and impressively read the characters very well
Firstly, I love your insights.
In the time they are in, unmarried men and women were not to spend time alone together, without a chaperone of some description.
Darcy touching Elizabeth's hand is very intimate.
There is another version of this with Colin Firth as Mr. Darcy, it's a mini series and is more able to take the time to delve into the nuances of their meeting, disdain and then growing admiration to love....or of course there is the book 😉
It was such a pleasure watching you enjoy this story, which is one of my favourites. Thank you for that.
Now, I'm about to go into a little info dump, so feel free to skip the rest. This movie was based on the novel by the same name written in the late 18th century by Jane Austen, who never married, and who lived off the charity of her brothers after her father passed away. So she knew a little of what it was for women after the man/provider in their lives passed.
In defense of Mrs Bennet, I have to explain that the Bennets are landed gentry, meaning their entire family income is derived from their land. Once Mr Bennet dies, the house and land go to the next male heir, which is Mr Collins who is a distant cousin. So once Mr Bennet dies, the women are left without any money or source of income. This is why Mrs Bennet is so anxious to see her daughters married.
Also, because the Bennets are landed gentry, the daughters had two options: get married or become a governess, which would have been a step down, socially. And social standing was everything at this time. Social standing was seen as something close to moral fiber.
Another custom of that time period is that unmarried girls didn't spend time alone with men. Unless they were prostitutes. That's why Lydia running away with Wickham was such a scandal. It made her no better than a prostitute, and no one would want to marry a girl who was the sister of a prostitute, because social standing, moral fiber yada yada.
Finally, the fact that unmarried girls couldn't spend time alone with men is also why balls were so important and why relationships moved so quickly.
Anyway, thank you for such a lovely time. It was wonderful to see your usual open-minded and kind-hearted approach to a story I love.
The actress who played Darcy's sister was the original Daenerys Targaryen in the cursed, never-to-be seen first pilot.
Women couldn’t just inherit property or wealth if there was a male anywhere in the lineage, only peasant women had jobs & those peasant women still had to give their earnings to their husbands, fathers or sons, marriages were out of necessity & for women it was almost always only for security & a home, very rarely for love. Mrs Bennet seems crazy to us now, but she was obsessed with finding husbands for her girls bc if they had no one after the death of Mr Bennet, they would be homeless & destitute as the property & money would immediately be entailed to Mr. Collins. All the things that seem insane to us today make sense when you realize how dependent & vulnerable women were at that time due to the restrictions placed on them by the patriarchy. Almost all Jane Austens books highlight these issues for women
Yes, it’s easy to criticise Mrs Bennett, but it is possible to see the fear behind her frantic attempts to get her daughters married. If Mr Bennett were to die while all 5 were still unwed, she would be in the difficult position of both losing her home and trying to support her children herself, on whatever (certainly much smaller) income she still had. She certainly put some people off with the way she acted, but I do have some sympathy for Mrs Bennett.
The reason that the whole dance stopped was because the people who walked in: Mr Darcy, Caroline and Mr Bingley are all minor nobility where as everyone else at the dance are ordinary people, mostly in lower middle classes.
Mr Wickham is played by Rupert Friend who became more well known later as did some of the other sisters such as Rosamund Pike who plays Jane and of course Keira Knightely (Elizabeth).
Really enjoyed your review for this movie, which happens to be my preferred film adaptation of the book. You have a very calming and thoughtful presence.
I really like your views on this story. Most people are instantly on Wickham's side whereas you understand Darcy's character quickly to know he wouldn't base his actions on feelings alone
Mr darcy is the type of man who you want, but don’t get 😂
That scene with them dancing is so beautiful. If you liked this, I also recommend the movie "Becoming Jane". It somehow has a connection to this one, in the sense that, that one shows the life of the writer who wrote Pride and Prejudice and what inspired her to write such a happy story.
Love Becoming Jane! Big fan if Anne Hathaway and James Macavoy
@@cat_96 Yesss, James McAvoy in Becoming Jane and in Atonement is 😍😱
Mr Collins is Mr Bennets distant cousin, the term cousin was often used for not only first cousins but 2nd, 3rd etc, and due to Mr Bennet having no male heir his estate will pass the closest male relation which is Mr Collins upon his death. Its why Mrs Bennet was so keen for Lizze to marry to Mr Collins, the Bennets were considered part of the gentry but they weren't super rich and the girls had hardly anything of a dowery which meant there was a risk of them not making good marriages or marriages at all. In her mothers mind at the very least she knew that Lizzie would inherit the house she grew up in by being married to Mr Collins.
You are so amazing picking up so much emotion expressed in the movie. So empathetic!
I loved your reaction! I love this movie so much, they did a really good job with it (especially talking about technical parts and details. This movie is artistically beautiful) But the book is so amazing and so many more interactions between Darcy and Lizzie.
I love that you wanted more because we always do. Typically, there isn’t a lot of interaction/courting before a proposal because intentions are always perceived as respectful and serious business during this time period. So the fact that Darcy and Elizabeth took months to be engaged is actually irregular 😂.
You must understand that all things happen quickly in this movie because they compress the story. In the book, all this took several months. There’s a very good adaptation of the book from 1995 with Colin Firth, it’s a mini-serie of 6 episodes (45-50 min each)
Can we get you to read the book and do a commentary on TH-cam?! The love story unfolds over a longer period of time and their interactions are stunning! ❤
PS: if you enhoyed the story and wanna see a longer version with more interaction, there is a bbc television series (4 parts) from the mid 90s where colin firth plays mr. Darcy .... its really good!
So good.
And it allows someone who isn't accustomed to the kind of speech used to to get up to speed.
GoT sounds stylized and affected until you get used to it.
The big reason Darcy paid for Lydia's wedding was because having a sister in a situation like that would make Elizabeth completely impossible for him to approach again. So it was both pragmatic AND because he didn't want Elizabeth to be shamed. What Lydia did was akin to modern day sharing a bed with a boyfriend for a mid-teenager, but then add in the puritanical bullshit about virtue and virginity.
If Wickham slept with her and then refused to marry her, she'd be dishonored and no one would want her. That was the way he held her family hostage, and Lydia went along with it largely because she was young and Wickham convinced her he loved her and this was the way they could marry. She had a contentious relationship with her family, so...
they did have more moments in the novel but this is a 2 hour movie they changed and shrinked a lot of it so yeah it seems like they dont really know each other that well by the end but this is the most popular and mainstream adaptation of this story so a lot of people like it the way that it is
I love the cinematography and casting of this film, but prefer the 1990's series more, because a better sense of time, and more of the story, is presented.
@@agresticumbraI completely agree
Matthew MacFadyen is my favorite Mr Darcy, though most people prefer Colin Firth.
Caroline Bingley is
Beth Dutton from Yellowstone.😲
I can never forgive Donald Sutherland for the scream at the end 1978 Body Snatchers.
The main goal in this era is to be married so although it seems fast, they view it differently back then. Also, I love this movie so much but they kinda did Charlotte dirty. Charlotte in the book is actually smart, calculative, and rational. She choose Mr. Collins because he is secured. I can also see her being happy in a marriage without love
Your insight is remarkable. It seems ylu don’t know a lot about the time period, but your reading the ppl is great. Thanks for the video.
10,000 pounds a year, circa 1800, means he is in the top 5%, possibly top 3%.
So, yeah, Darcy doesn't have a title, but he is RICH. And he's the grandson of an Earl, so that's almost as good as being titled, himself.
Bingley, with 5000 pounds a year is definitely UPPER class. Like mid-upper class.
The Bennets (Mrs. Bennet complains about being poor) are landed gentry, and definitely part of the upper class. They're just on the low end of upper class, having a small estate, "small" income of only about 2,000 to 2,500 per year, and no very close relations to a title.
As a point of comparison - a person could live (though not comfortably) on 50 pounds a year. An income of 100 pounds per year would keep you alive in some tiny apartment with a single servant, and thus, you could just barely cling to "genteel poverty" at 100 pounds per year. By "genteel poverty," I mean that you could live with a servant, rather than having to scrub your own chamberpot, although you may very well do your own cooking. You could have one party dress, and a day dress and an evening dress. You could invite a friend or two to dinner, which would then enable you to accept invitations to better entertainments thrown by other people. Your simple on-on-one dinner invitation would be considered good enough reciprocation to be allowed in the host/guest game within your social circle. You would have to exercise frugality, and there is NO WAY you could actually participate in The Season (basically that time of year when Parliament was in session, and so all the families of the Lords and Members of Parliament were living in London, and of course, they had to be ENTERTAINED with at least three different balls/routes/dinners/soirees/teas/spectacles and other various entertainments, every single day, except POSSIBLY on Sunday). It took money to participate in the Season, because, at the very least, you were REQUIRED to have a court dress, which was mandated to be very fine, indeed, right down to a minimum number of ostrich feathers in a lady's headdress. So, yeah, definitely only on the outskirts, but still rich enough to be welcome in the upper echelons of society, in a "Don't worry, dear. We'll still let you play some of the time," sort of patronizing way.
Now, multiply genteel poverty by 1000, and that's Darcy.
As another point of interest - a fortune hunting man, who doesn't think it's possible to live on his own pay as an officer, decides to hunt a local fortune - a young woman whose grandfather just died and left her 10,000 pounds. If you invest that well, that can provide an income of four or five hundred pounds per year! That's enough to live in some comfort, even without the officer pay. Families live in genteel poverty on four or five hundred pounds per year, so an enterprising officer could certainly make a comfortable genteel life by adding that to his own income. It may, in fact, be doubling his annual income.
Now, remember, that is TOTAL fortune. Being enough to tempt a fortune hunter! And Darcy gets that EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
And if he decided to live frugally, and invest half of that each year, well... Just wait one decade. A little patience, perhaps a little "ill health" preventing you from participating too much in expensive social activity (limiting yourself to picnics and at-home dinners, perhaps), and in a decade, you could "heal," and suddenly be living the high life, with 15,000 per year, if you invest it well.
So, basically, in today's terms, Bingley is a multi-millionaire, and Darcy is a billionaire. Only a billionaire, and not a multi-billionaire, but at least a billionaire. Approximately.
Note: I'm not an expert on the subject, and am just saying what I've learned from other sources, so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know definite numbers.
Good analysis 👏 I would add that Darcy is not among the 5% or the 3% but among the 1%.
Yes, he is THAT rich.
Lizzy was bold to turn him down given the time period and her own familial situation. Hands down to Jane Austen to write such an amazing story. ❤
So glad we got you to watch this and I'm chuffed you enjoyed it. :D Maybe we can convince you to watch a few more historic dramas now?
Sense and sensibility (2008). For some reason I like this version better.
Ive read the book and saw the movie about 50 times. Im so glad you're watching this. I never imagined you would watch this. Awesome reaction!!
The actor who played Mr Bingley also played the adult Octavian in the series 'Rome', a hugely different character. He did not play Theon Greyjoy if that's who you mean. Check the video titled Gaius 'Octavian Caesar Augustus Tribute I Rome'. Also the actor who played Mr Collins in the TV series, plays Cicero in 'Rome'.
It's NOT Theon. Totally different actors. But I see the resemblance, now that you mention it.
As you enjoyed this I recommend the "little women" movie with winona rider (not the new one) as it is a beautiful story
Both of those films are excellent, but I agree, the 1995 is dear to me.
In (lukewarm) defense of Mr. Collins, he was genuinely trying to do the Bennets a favor by marrying Lizzie. Mr. Bennet is a VERY irresponsible father. It wasn't JUST that Mrs. Bennet wanted to be a little more comfortable. If Mr. Bennet died and his daughters weren't married, they could legit have ended up in the streets. There weren't a lot of employment opportunities for women back then, ESPECIALLY women of their class. They were actually pretty high up in society, and were comparatively rich. Lizzie and Darcy are in the same social class, and the Bingleys are actually slightly lower socially than the Bennets. But Mr. Bennet didn't save anything for his wife and daughters because up until Lydia was born, they were certain they would eventually have a son. So, once he died, the girls would have nothing. If Lizzie married Mr. Collins, she would be able to provide for her mother and sisters through him, and he knew that. Also cousin marriage was, and still is, pretty common in certain cultures. Queen Elizabeth and her husband, Phillip were cousins.
First rule: dont judge a book/story with your 2023 mentality, this was written in 1813.
If you notice the swing scene, it does show the passing of seasons, so the whole movie is made about like 3/4 years or a whole year. Thats not fast for that time, it would be a few months to 1-2 years back then.
I can't believe you skipped the famous hand scene. Male and female reactions are so different towards this.
The Bennet estate has been entailed (a legal process to protect estates from being broken up through the generations). It REQUIRES that the estate pass, in its entirety, to the nearest/eldest MALE relation.
That means, none of the daughters may inherit from their father. When you hear of heiresses in England at this time (circa 1800), that means that their fathers/uncles/grandfathers, etc. did NOT entail the estate, but just trusted to fate that it would not be broken up too much. These people made it a point to manage their money and property well, saving up so that each child who was not the oldest male could have a personal fortune, sufficient to their station, without breaking up or selling any part of the estate. The main branch of the family tree would maintain the family estate, and the other branches, branching off, would be sufficiently supported, so as not to arouse too much jealousy and plotting.
Entailments, legally binding the estate to the eldest MALE offspring, for a minimum of three generations (which most families would renew, to keep the entail going for many generations), would protect the estate from being sold or broken up, and it would prevent siblings from squabbling about money and property, since there was no legal way they could get their hands on it, anyway. That said, parents would save up every year, from their annual income, to eventually build up a fund for each of their non-heir children. It was NOT the done thing to give a huge fortune to the oldest son, and leave the younger sons and daughters penniless.
Mr. Bennet expected that he'd have a son. They tried FIVE TIMES to get a son. When that failed, he just gave up. He knew that his estate would pass to his cousin, and upon his cousin's death, it would pass to his cousin's son, Mr. Collins. The girls will have ONLY what money they inherit from their mother (1000 pounds each, put in an investment to get 50 pounds per year), and no more. He OUGHT to have saved up, for each of them, right from the beginning. However, Mrs. Bennet was a spendthrift, and he was a weak and idle man, and HE WAS GOING TO HAVE A SON, and the son would, of course, take care of his sisters, so he didn't start saving up, when they were born. And by the time he gave up on having a son, he decided it was "too late," and his daughters would simply have to marry rich men, when they came of age.
Mr. Bennet was a likable fool, and Mr. Collins is his legal heir, because Mr. Bennet's father and grandfather BOTH signed the legal document to have the entail, and Mr. Bennet intended to break the entail with his son, but didn't have a son to do it, and Mr. Collins certainly was not about to act to break the entail, and give up his own inheritance, in favor of a bunch of women he'd never even met. Also, because he's a cousin, and not the son of Mr. Bennet, there are also legal issues that prevent breaking the generational entail.
In short, LEGAL REASONS, Mr. Collins inherits and the girls can't do a damn thing about it.
10,000 a year is close to 2 million today. The cousin thing is kinda weird until you know that a 2nd cousin has less than 3% shared DNA and Mr Collins is a distant cousin most likey 3rd cousin once or twice removed
You have to assume that a reasonable amount of time has happened between most scenes. And that the characters have mingled and talked with each other more than shown.
I grew up watching the BBC mini-series adaptation of Pride and Prejudice. If you want more build up and focus on Elizabeth and Mr Darcy's connection, I would definitely recommend.
Keep in mind there are time jumps 😅 I think it’s nearly a whole year!
You're right about Mrs. Bennett. She's the worst. She's honestly worse than the Lady Catherine. She's overly obsessed with marrying off her daughters, but not only shows a lack of propriety in doing so, she also has failed to raise them to be proper future ladies of households.
When Lady Catherine is grilling Elizabeth about her family, she's quite rude about it. But she also shines a light on how big a failure Mrs. Bennett is as a mother. Not having a governess is the reason Elizabeth plays poorly, the reason none of them can draw, the reason Lydia (and Kitty) have no manners, the reason none of the girls can cook.
Marriage between cousins was smiled upon in England at the time, although they knew not to have too many cousin marriages. One or two, now and again, in a family tree, was viewed as doing no harm. And, in fact, geneticists today also say that, as long as it's only 1 or 2 in a family tree, it does no genetic harm. However, it is NOT to be greatly encouraged.
In the upper classes, when they were trying to maintain estates, and prevent them from being broken up amongst offspring, cousin marriages was viewed as a good way to maintain generational wealth. Mr. Collins wants to marry one of his cousins, as a means of ameliorating the damage to the Bennet family that will happen upon Mr. Bennet's death, and Mr. Collins inheriting Longbourne. He means it as a gesture of goodwill, basically promising that, as heir to Longbourne, he intends to take care of the girls, as he will be husband to one, and brother-in-law to the others.
Mrs. Bennet may be a fool, but THIS she understands very well, which is why she's so very keen on the match. If she goes from being "my cousin's wife" to being "My mother-in-law," then, when her husband dies, the new "lord of the manor" will be honor-bound to take her in and keep her under his own protection, as well as her other daughters, until they wed.
It's basically a financial arrangement.
This is so wholesome! Growing up watching Pride & Prejudice, it’s so good to hear a new take with fresh eyes. So that’s not Theon Greyjoy from Game of Thrones, but he’s a look-alike... I see why you’d think that 🤓 And Wickham is played by the guy who was in Homeland. Edit: Fancily is a word. We love adverbs! 🤩 and you can explore it more in the boooook and the 1995 P&P, which is the best.
Jane Eyre with Michael Fassbender Is One of my favourite movies. It's awesome. 😍
15:52: “He’s kicking them out? What?”
That literally made me LOL. 😄
This was the best movie reaction video I've ever watched.
One of the vest reactions I've seen! Love it, so insightful and entertaining
I loved your reaction!!! ❤ even knowing more about that time period and rules of society, it was interesting to see how a modern man reacts to Jane Austen’s literary brilliance!
Charlotte is Lizzy's friend. The mom was saying that Charlotte was "plain", not Lizzy
I love that, in the scene where Mr. Collins shows up to propose to Elizabeth, Mr. Bennet was clearly pretending to read the newspaper so he could avoid talking to anybody 😂
Nicely Done You !! I enjoyed immensely watching you discover this classic 🤗 Hanks for sharing 👍✨
Honestly, one could argue Mrs. Bennet is the smartest one there. It was a complicated time. She is drawn to seem silly and over the top, but through the lense of the regency era, she is a very dedicated, interesting mother. Her father, however... A very controversial one. I personally think he is the worst character. I highly recommend reading some opinion assays on the story 😍 it is a genius piece by Jane Austen though a bit hard to swallow to our modern pallet . I had to watch it several times and read the book several times as well in order to fully understand just how bright and ingenious Jane Austen's world building is.
Elizabeth's friend marrying for convenience was a real hot topic at the time.
A lot of people in earlier times married as part of their families wishes, then the georgian era had an explosion in romantic stories, poems etc, that led a lot of people to think that marrying for love was what mattered above all else.
Of course plenty of people fell out of love just as fast as they fell into it and this was an age without divorce... people observed these mismatched couples that now hated each other and decided that THEY were going to approach this logically.
The hope for many was that even if love never developed, they would at least get along for the rest of their lives.
First!!!
Edit: definitely not Alfie Allen, just similar color hair 😅
He is the older Octavian in HBOs Rome though.
And was married or living with Rosamund Pike at this time.
@theConquerersMama that explains how great their chemistry is!
The space of time the book takes is about a year, so I wouldn't say it's very fast at all. There's also much more interaction between all the characters. But I will agree with you that this movie is a bit rushed since it crams everything into an hour and a half time frame. If you want to see a more comprehensive/accurate version, I'd highly recommend the 1995 mini series.
To answer your question about what estate Mr. Collins is inheriting, it IS the Bennet house. It was the law back then that women couldn't inherit estates, so if there was not a son to take over when the father died (like in the Bennets case), it would go to the next closest male relative. The sisters and wives would often be thrown out to fend for themselves in these situations. This is why Mrs. Bennet wanted Elizabeth to marry Mr. Collins so badly. That way it would ensure they were taken care of after Mr. Bennet was gone.
I'm sure plenty of other people have mentioned it. But what most people who have never read the book Miss is that the time frame of this movie is about a the main characters meet in about late summer and get married that same time the next year
Pride and Prejudice Zombies. That's the one to watch after this.
My favorite movie of all time. 😅 great reaction ❤❤
About Miss Lucas and Mrs Bennet: Happiness was not part of marriage before 1900. Women needed to marry to survive lest they end up on the street starving when the patriarch of the house died. As only men inherited family lands and the heirs of the Bennet family were all women, the lands would pass to the closest male relative upon Mr Bennet's death. The same would happen to Miss Lucas. So I understand Mrs. Bennet desperately wanting to marry off her daughters. It was the only form of social and monetary advancement they had since women were deprived of many things.
my only advice for you wanting more build up on the relationships would be to read the books some parts were cut out but great reaction
My go-to book! Love it...
Miss Bingley invites her to walk because she's noticed Darcy attentiveness toward Lizzie, especially in convo. He's use to Miss Bingleys smart remarks, and even though he's not ignoring her daily interaction makes her uninteresting. But Lizzie ... so Miss Bingley wants to stay in his line of sight by using her and it's an opportunity for close comparison visually - beauty, dress, social standing - cause she cannot compare with Lizzie conversationally except to condescend.
I really enjoyed your reaction, you’re so pleasant 😊
I wanted to see more, so much so, that I went and read the book!
I love how you are hoping for a smile from Mr. Darcy instead of 'when are they going to fall in love'.
Also, I'd like to explain a bit about the talking during the dancing. During this era, a man and woman who were not married were constantly watched by parents, siblings, etc., because it was improper to be alone together. So during a dance, you could not only touch the other party, but speak somewhat more privately then when your mom or dad was hearing everything. Think of it as going to a bar, seeing someone you really like and that person likes you, only for your and their parents, aunts, uncles and your siblings to stare at your every move. So to get away from them, the two of you get closer to the music and hit the dancefloor.
It’s set in about 1810 and 10000£ is extremely rich.
10k pounds in 1813 is nearly 900k pounds today, over $1,100,000.
28:05: “ah, I thought it was bad news…oh, God!”
Lololol!
Enjoyed your reaction...things didn't happen as fast as you thought. A fair amount of time has past between events like when Darcy says "if your feelings are the same as they were LAST April ". You should check out the BBC 6 hour miniseries. Mr. Collins does inherit the Bennett house as he is the closest male relative. Daughters do not inherit the property...the only way they can save that from happening is to marry well.
The incomes equate to modern money as, the Bennett's farm produes $150,000, Mr Bingham's farm produces $350,000 and Mr Darcey's estates produce about $850,000. Once Mr Bennett dies, the Mr Collins, the pastor, a distance cousin, will get the farm and the $150,000 a year, the sisters get nothing, that is the issue.
3:38: Lizzy’s mother wasn’t putting down Lizzy’s looks…she was insulting the appearance of Lizzy’s friend, Charlotte, who Mr. Bingley had just been dancing with and complimented. Mrs. Bennet wanted Mr. Bingley to stay focused on Jane.
I agree with you that one kid looked a lot like theon greyjoy but the voice was throwing me off I was like it doesn't sound like him so I googled it it was not him
The mom is a difficult character to get behind, it is true. She is right to be worried that her daughters marry, but it is her lack of subtlety that is the real problem. That said, Mrs. Bennet is probably the funniest character in the book because she is so over the top.
Justification for paying Wickham to marry Lydia: It's not about Lydia being happy to get the man she's crushing on, at fifteen years old. It's because when a young lady elopes with a man, and then does NOT marry him, then she's considered "a whore" and worse, and her sisters are considered almost as bad, and certainly NOT FIT FOR MARRIAGE.
Remember, if they don't get married before Mr. Bennet dies, Mr. Collins can toss them out, and they'll be homeless. That is, unless their uncle takes them in.
So, yeah. When Mr. Darcy forced Wickham to marry Lydia, he did it so that Elizabeth, Jane, Mary and Kitty would still be able to get married in the future.
Lydia eloping with Wickham had RUINED the Bennet girls. Her marriage is the only thing that could save them.
If you want more interaction with Darcy and Lizzy you need to read the book because it gives way more and it also tells you a little bit of what happened after the marriage
So the time frame this movie covers is over a year in the original book. Thus while it seems only like a few days, the reality there were often moths or weeks between certain events in the movie.
The BBC mini series shows the passing of time better.
that was a great reaction
I just subscribed. You're so good at reviewing. Love the voice and your demeanor. I would love to hear your views on Sanditon.
Mary's problem (the sister in black) is she's the middle child and because she has kind of inferiority complex (she's not as pretty as Jane or as smart than Elizabeth) she tries to stand out from her sisters.
So she studies and practice piano but the problem is that all that doesn't make her any smarter.
Oh and if you didn't know it, the Colonel Fitzwilliam (the guy who told Elizabeth that was Darcy who separate Bingley and Jane) is Darcy's cousin and the second tutor of Georgiana Darcy
This movie is a very condensed version of the story. If you are really interested in seeing more about the details of the story and the development of the relationships, I would recommend the BBC mini series. A great deal of Jane Austin’s stories focus on the very strict class structure of English society in the Georgian Period. And making an advantageous marriage was the primary goal of a young lady in that time period more often than not.
Yes i thought it was Theon at first, too
Love this movie so much. I'm so happy you liked it and appreciated the art of it.
Every time i feel stressed or sad and just need a calming and beautiful movie, this is what i watch 😊
Would love it if you reacted to Howl's moving castle and Spirited away they are magical and magnificently done. ✨️
Just to clarify, Mr. Collins does inherit Mr. Bennet's estate because of something called Entailment. An entailment is a law about property where the entirety of a property would be inherited by the eldest male relative in each generation for a certain amount of generations. Since property and land were the way people got their yearly income, this sort of law was made so that an owner of an estate could insure the estate would be intact and would be kept in the main line of succession. Because some long gone relative of Mr. Bennet entailed the property now means that he can't sell it and must follow the letter of the law, but the problem is that he has only daughters and entailed property only goes to male heirs, and in cases like that the first male relative would inherit, which is Mr. Collins. Marrying Mr. Collins means that when Mr. Bennet dies, the girls wouldn't be thrown out of the estate if Mr. Collins so wished but securing that they do continue to live there. However getting the girls married also fixes that problem since if they have enough money they'll manage to put something aside for their sisters and mother to live comfortably somewhere else if the worst happens.