Jean Sibelius - Kullervo, Op. 7 (1892)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ธ.ค. 2011
- Symphony for soprano, baritone, male voice choir and orchestra
Paavo Jarvi, Royal Stockholm Philharmonic Orchestra
Estonian National Male Choir, Peter Mattei, Randi Stene
I think this is the best Kullervo interpretation
www.sibelius.fi/english/musiik...
1 - Introduction
2 - Kullervo's Youth 13:57
3 - Kullervo and his Sister 29:53
4 - Kullervo goes to War 54:12
5 - Kullervo's Death 1:03:54 - เพลง
Une œuvre exceptionnelle, d'une richesse orchestrale magistrale et d'une sensibilité toute en finesse, nuancée... dans l'esprit très finlandais... Un Maître du langage musical que Sibelius !
Minusta kuulostaa vain niin agressiiviselta, pelottaa, pidän enemmän lempeästä, lyyrisestä musisoinnista!
When this massive piece was first performed, it was widely accepted in Finland, but Jean Sibelius was critical and he found several parts in Kullervo, which were not good enough for him. So he took it back, and his idea was to correct it and then publish the new version. However this was a big task and he did not have enough time to do it. He had other obligations, which kept him busy. It took several years, before he had good time to do the corrections. However, during this long waiting time his style to compose had changed too much so, that he could compose some parts again and get it suit to the whole piece. The end product would have not worked unless he had composed the whole big piece again, This was a too great task. So he kept this piece banned up to his death in 1957. But he wrote in his testament, that he is not against the performances of Kullervo symphony after his death.
Because this long ban this piece sounds pretty different if we compare it to his synphonies, especially from third symphony onwards. This piece is more melodical, much rougher and it has a strong nationalistic flavour. This same nationalistic style is heard in four legends about Lemminkainen, the Karelia suite, Finlandia and to some extent also in 1st and 2nd symphonies and in the Violin Concerto. Later Sibelius rejected the national romantic style.
Kullervo has been performed partially several times in 1905-35, so there was no outright ban. kullervo120.org/start/musiikki/kullervo/tausta/
There has been the proper critical urtext edition available only from the year 2005.
I'm glad he didn't revise it later. "Establishment" has a tendency to play the latest versions but revisions often rid compositions of certain freshness and I often find myself preferring the original versions to later ones.
IMO Kullervo is his masterpiece - a (good) live performance is something unforgettable.
Hey, Vesa Kaitera, thanks for that history.
I’d not heard this piece before it was posted here. It’s great to have your input at the moment I discover this early Sibelius work.
This symphony caught my ears recently. How do you know so much about this one and Sibelius? What are the source please? Kindly with much respect.
Adoro toda la música de Sibelius
Su orquestación me parece fantástica
Su música me traslada a un mundo de profunda belleza y melancolía
Y desde luego Kulervo, especialmente en sus partes orquestales me parece sublime
Me uno con fervor a todos los que admiran al gran Sibelius
There's something about this music that's stirred me like no other Sibelius composition. Very moving.! Although I know it's Finnish mythology, I feel a personal affinity to it. So it is with most of his music. But this especially.
Kiitos tästä kommentistasi. Muistaakseni Tolkien oli kiinnostunut Suomen kansalliseepoksesta "Kalevalasta", myöskin Suomenkielestä, josta hän lainasi sanoja Tarinaan Sormusten Herraan.
Ysyäväni, ihmeellistä, koska minä aina masennun tällaisesta meluavasta musiikista, pidän enemmän kauniista ja lyyrisestä, rauhoittavasta musiikista.
This work is fantastically balanced. What a great composer this man was. I often find it discriminatory that we favour works over others but that is life. There are moments in the score where the musicians have really done some soul searching to capture the work. Well done.
I feel like I've stumbled on a rare gem.
Love it
+Master Hand could not have said this any better.
Busy rehearsing the male chorus parts for performance at the Edinburgh International Festival on August 14th in Usher Hall. An exciting piece to sing. Hope any Finns in the audience are impressed by our Scottish performance!
+Stewart Cairns Link to a possible youtube video?
+Stewart Cairns That was probably a past event, but singing in Finnish should be quite easy. It goes as it says on the tin: the sounds and the letters correspond directly, the vowels are always the same, and if they are doubled they just last twice as long, and the same goes for the double consonants. There is never any aspiration of any initial sounds.
One of us! One of us.
Hopefully it is as fun to sing for the Scots as it is for the Finns
I had listened four different Kullervo records. This one is the best!
An EPIC work - moves me everytime. An amazing creation. Sibelius was a genius!!!
I really love this, especially the introduction. It really depicts the tragedy of Kullervo's life. I read the Kalevala and the Kullervo cycle intrigued me the most. Great music, and indeed it has a bit of a Lord of the Rings feel to it at times :)
Lord Of The Rings has a Kalevala feel to be honest.
+AkseliPelailee Yeah, I feel as if Tolkien might perhaps have been slightly inspired by Kalevala ;). Espescially since he wrote a (beginning for a) book called "The Story of Kullervo".
+Lily Abbendale Yup, he was inspired by Kalevala
+Lily Abbendale yeah, but especially the children of hurin is very overtly kalevalaic !
Seems Tolkien 'borrowed' many concepts from various works while writing his Lord of the Rings. Wagner's Ring des Nibelungen being a big one and then Kalevala and perhaps others I am unaware of.
Excellent music! Thank you Sibelius!
The biggest masterpiece of all time as far as I am concerned! And to think he wrote it at the start of his career - then banned it!
Une interprétation qui fait oublier TOUTES LES AUTRES. Berglund 1 ou 2, les Davis, Andrew ou Colin, et le Papa Neeme. Génial. Somptueux.
Excellent performance. Suomi rifles and Sibelius RULE!
J'adore, je ne connaissait pas, pourquoi personne ne m'a parlé de ce compositeur
This is indeed a great interpretation. Unbelieveble that such an exceptional work is never to be found on greatest classical hits CD's. Jean Sibelius threw it back in the drawer after only a couple of performances in 1892, where it remained until 1972. The explanation for taking such action was that Sibelius did not trust that the common european at the time, would not understand the music due to its very nordic tone and nature. I guess some music will remain ahead of its time.
Mahler wrote great music and Sibelius as well. There is no point in arguing who of them was better. Their music survived up till now and that's what counts.
Both of them would probably say: Watch your language, boy!
This work is very dynamic and moving. I like "introduction" because I feel Kullervo's tragic fate. Thanks for this upload.
A major evolution and the most important example of revolution in the XIX century music is revealed by this , and the fourth movement is an extraordinary energetic, rhythmic and colored musical exercise. Is very strange the reject of "Kullervo" by Sibelius, during his life. The integral is played one year after dead of this, in 1958.
Espectacular. Preciosa!!!
j'adore ses symphonies, son concerto pour violon est sublime, saint saens aussi et tant d'autres
@berrik500 Thanks for this upload. I heard Paavo Jarvi's performance of Kullervo with the Orchestre de Paris about a year ago with the marvellous Soile Isokoski as soloist (the bass was not good) and so far it's the best I've encountered so this makes an interesting comparison. I have to say the brass section of the O.D.P. is fantastic, possibly the finest of any orchestra. I adore this music and cannot understand why Sibelius had it suppressed in his lifetime.
Sibelius is just great, he is my favorite composer beside Brahms. I highly appreciate Karajan's Sibelius recordings and his efforts to gain recognition for that great great great composer. I would love to hear a Karajan recording of the Kullervo...for those who seek for some other underrecognized Composers I highly recommend Joachim Raff. Thanks for this great recording though!
I think in his latter years that Sibelius said of Karajan that he was one of the few conductors at that time who really understood his work. In the current generation, it seems that the outstanding conductor of Sibelius has been Vänskä.
Sibelius was not known internationally when he composed Kullervo symphony. This may be the reason for that this symphonic poem is not known so well. On the other hand, the Finns understood first time that Sibelius is not an ordinary Finnish composer when they heard this.
Kiitos hyvä ystävä, enpä tätä tiennytkään... aukko sivistyksessä todellakin!
rubbing my hands together in glee. About to listen to one of the last things I've not heard from Sibelius. This is gonna be good.
.....Magnifique.
duydugum en etkileyici motifler burada.
türkçe yorum görmek hoşuma gitti, saygılar, sevgiler.
Just great! Thank you for sharing!
my pleasure...i'm glad you enjoy it...
I'm grateful it's not on any "greatest hits" classical c.d.'s., this music is far too sophisticated for that! Like all the greatest compositions this is for serious listening and takes time to understand. When I first heard "Kullervo" I did not fully appreciate it's complexity, now I find it an extradordinary work up with the finest ever written.
Kestyi tämä mielenkiintoinen keskustelu yhtä-äkki.
Tämä, meidän Suomenmaamme alkaa olemassa hieman uhattu Venäjän puolelta kuten aina.
Suomi oli aikoinaan Venäjän tsaarivallan alainen, kunnes taistelimme itsenäisyytemme, siitä meidän Sibeliuksemme, sävelsi, Finlandia hymnin. 😅
Absolutely wonderful. Thank you!
1 am nhac vi dai...rat hay..dem lai cho toi cam nghi rat sau sac ve am nhac nay..tuyet voi ten ca tuyet voi....
Quality recording.
This Is Absolute Perfection!!
Can't get enough of 1:00:10
Magnifique!Grand!
A masterpiece !
Thanks
Just great! Thank you very much for sharing....^!!^
Hyvää Kalevala-päivää
Would anyone recommend anything similar to this? Because this is absolutely breathtaking!!
Discover scandinavian composer : Uuno Klami (Kalevala), Jon Leifs (Geysir), symphonies of Ture Rangstrom, Grieg (Sigurd Josalfar), or slavic (Glière , 3d symphony), Prokofiev (Alexander Newsky)
The Lemminkainen Suite, and En Saga.
Search for "The Wood Nymph" by Sibelius,, another amazing work that is rarely played.
Totally agree..The Wood Nymph blows me over...just like this awesome work.
THANK YOU!!!...
Gracias por tu opinion, saludos Eira Rodriguez.
Yu are right: best interpretation. It is a pity, that we don't get pictures of this concert
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Jürgen
"Recording session" I think you mean.
Try to enjoy Akseli Gallen-Kallela’s art work; because there is nothing better in this Universe to suit with this exact score..
Ojalá le pudiera dar más de un like. Esta obra es una verdadera belleza....
excelente
Really??Thank you a lot my friend,I appreciate this!When you upload it could you please inform me about that?Thanks!
Dear old JS : always so self-questioning! "How DARE I launch this barrage of sound on the ears of the poor long-suffering public?" In fact it is a deeply fascinating work - quite revolutionary in its way... What a mercy he didn't - in despair - just use the manuscript paper to light his cigars!
Tolkien brings me here
Grossartig!
Magnánimo 💯
great
I like this!!!
Super! I think you're right. This is the best I've heard. All the others are wimpy.
Gràcies! Thanks!
this version is great,but I think that Paavo Berglund's is a little bit better!
can you find it and upload it??thanks!
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>A literary or dramatic composition that resembles an extended narrative poem celebrating heroic feats
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thanks for your notice, i m searching for his interpretation
amazing start minute or something
4:38 that must be real tiring for the oboe
He did not reject it, he just considered it too nordic in it's sound, for the european audience.
Anybody know where I can find the text translated to English for this? I assume this recording is in Finnish...
Tak to je kullervoucí hudba...
sure, thanks !
Vinícius Garcia1 day ago
Please, do anybody know who is the Painter of this pictures shown in this video?
Eugene
His name is Akseli Gallen Kallela
Akseli Gallen-Kallela :)
Wonderful music!!! I thought that starting from @1:08:30 I was listening to the Lord Of The Rings
Gollum Sméagol Yes, Sibelius was greatly inspired by Howard Shore's score.
Nasro Subari I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic, or you just made an honest mistake, but let's assume it's the latter, it's the other way around. Howard Shore was inspired by Sibelius....and Wagner, and Berlioz. :-)
Nasro Subari I liked your role in the Balin's tomb scene in the movie fellowship of the ring.
Ascketism My precious, yes yes my precious.....!!!!! We wants it. We needs it. Must have the precious!!!! No. Not master. Master's my friend.
Exactly what I thought, Sméagol !
The choral section at 1 hr in reminds me of Parsifal...:)
I don't know about a translation, but the wikipedia article "Kullervo (Sibelius)" has a summary of the story being told.
Please, do anybody know who is the Painter of this pictures shown in this video?
His name is Akseli Gallen Kallela
Its a brilliant work, thank you very much!
0:00 Johdanto (Introduction)
13:57 Kullervon nuoruus (Kullervo's Youth)
29:53 Kullervo ja hänen sisarensa (Kullervo and his Sister)
54:12 Kullervon sotaanlähtö (Kullervo goes to War)
1:03:55 Kullervon kuolema (Kullervo's Death)
Thanks!
a,ok.when you find the Berglund version,inform me if you can,thanks a lot!
Does anyone know the name of the artist whose works are used in this clip?
Mark Sieling Akseli Galen-Kallela
The main artist is Akseli Gallen-Kallela he has fantastic paintings :)
Akseli Gallen-Kallela (born in 1865) had a home quite near my place.
The beautiful home is by the sea; turned to a museum with a café, and I like to visit there in the summertime.
Gallen-Kallela was maybe the most influencal artist of his time in Finland.
totally agreed, i think this is also neglected today, nobody says kullervo when talking about Sibelius.
sorry man, i supposed you wanted Panula version, you have said berglund, i always confuse him with paavo jarvi, i have panula now and i ll upload it but i m looking for perglund.
i have just found it, i will upload it soon
The reason for the relative neglect could be simply the fact that the entire score was not published properly until 2006 as Sibelius had gone into his "yet another one of my lousy work" mode, and did not want to have the work printed.
Wow. That cymbal at 11:10...
Spot on.
@ Karen Hoy : Asking it, is the answer? I have my doubts about the Dutch, Belgien or German public too.
epic
So, Orcun, I'm gone. All films in the air. Berrik500 doesn't exist anymore. It was not of the Karajan video's, but those of the Berlin Philharmonic. There are hundreds of them on TH-cam, but all new ones were forbidden. Everyday I had 2000 hits, and now, its gone.
But I'll come back with most of the films in better quality ( I have the copy's of the best ones) on a new account. Till then...
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Yes, they are. But on Berrik 501 I'm making a new site with most of the films I had,, now with better sound and repaired videos. Only with classical music. Now I've to wait to make uploads longer as 15 minutes. But no Berlin Philharmonic, No Karajan ever more...
....YOU'VE SAID IT; And it's probably the fear of this 'misunderstanding' that made Sibelius put the work back in the drawer, after it's premiere.
What's up my friend?Did you find anything??
This is a wonderfully sensitive performance by everyone. Would the average American symphony audience be willing to sit through it?
Karen Hoy The answer is no. I'd expect someone who is at the pinnacle of culture to have a little more class, Karen.
Oikeastaan, vaikka olen Suomalainen, en tunne tätä sävellystä, kuullostaa, hyökkäävältä ja vihamieliseltä, en pidä, varsinkaan tänä aikana, jolloin sota on käynnissä monissa paikossa ympäri maailmaa.
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i cannot understand why they keep writing modern british music and stick it on the proms every year its like listening to a group of kids learning music in school its absolutely rubbish ..this is a fantastic piece of music i have it on dvd with sir colin davis why cant we have more of this composers music and others like the scriaben symphonies and glazunovs music
+Michael Whitbrook because people are living and need to pay the bills i guess.
+Michael Whitbrook This was performed last week at the Proms!
+Stephen Jeacocke And they don't want to study music seriously or to effort to make something good...
LuizBHMG: Your comment is extremely offensive. I am a classically-trained MODERN British composer and I have 4 degrees in music, and I've been to 2 conservatoires and one university. So, I'm well educated in music. I've been a professional trumpet and viola player as well. Therefore, I've made the effort to study music properly, and to a very highly academic (and practical) level. My music is NOT avant-garde. My music is like a more modern romantic style, combining classical/folk/rock/jazz styles. Several orchestra chiefs have said my music is well suited to romantic films as it's very dramatic, yet has pathos at other times. So, you need to stop tarring all modern composers with the same brush, as we say in Britain. For your information: Classical music is heading for an almighty crisis. Orchestras are losing audience (numbers are decreasing but no concrete figures exist at this moment in time). This is due to several things, mostly though, it's because they insist on performing avant-garde shit, that the pretentious bourgoisie pretend to like and understand. Stop insulting composers in general: It makes you look like the moron that you are.
Brian Davison: My apologies if my comment hurts you. Of course I was not referring to composers like you, but to that type you're calling avant-garde. I suppose you must be quite fastidious to have felt affected by it. I would really like to listen to your music. I really love classical music from the earliest to the latest styles. Maybe not all of them arouse my attention, but mostly. And I'm also a composer, but as a hobby and not professionally. "Stop insulting composers in general" - I don't even know any current British modern-classical composer, unfortunately, how I would be insulting composers in general? "It makes you look like the moron that you are." - I think I'm not the one who is insulting here. Please don't say such things to people you don't even know; the Internet makes people feel free to huff everyone. Even if I don't know you, I'm almost sure you'd never call me a moron if you you knew me.
it recall to something
i m busy these days, it ll take time for preparing and uploading video, i also didn t looked for berglund, what about you ?
@ Nigel Passmore and Cameronpaul I fully agree. Anyway I think in arts competition is not the right parameter
Karel Partouns Yes you are right of course. We all see and hear different things from composers but even great music does not escape "fashion" which should not be the case.
I don't know where I can find it.Also,I don't know how to make a video on my own,so that's why I asked for 13orcun to do it.
Verte emotive
suomen ääni🇫🇮
Mi amigo, suena raro, a mi me gusta mas sus compocisiones, como, la madre de Lemminkäinen o Tuonelan Joutsen.
This is a symphony?....
Symphony just means sounds coming together - in that sense all music is symphony
james alden its a series of tone poems, it could be a choral symphony but it does not follow its traditional structure
Yet Sibelius himself rejected it. Wasn't discovered until after his death.
Wasn't Kullervo the Finnish God of Vodka?
+Ricko s He was beautiful man who had bright yellow hair. He was also very strong.
Onhan teillä Britanniassa Benjamin Britten.