@@thermusaquaticusPCR it wouldnt have hurt for her to get back nourished before rushing to get checked out bc she could end up right back in the hospital..i may start watching this show..it seems good
@@mattmax11 oh is that the one where the woman wants to keep the child even though it would endanger her life and Dr.curry- the blonde with glasses couldn’t understand it and did something horrible I forget exactly what she did but it was against the patients wishes.
@@mcnoneya She faked a miscarriage to save the life of the mother. She hacked into the machine and forced it to show no fetal heart beat when there was one
@@mcnoneya She hacked the heartrate monitor to show the infant heartrate as a flatline, basically to show that the baby was dead and now they could save her life without endangering her child.
Dr. curry drives me insane. I get that it’s her character that she’s a PhD student and research is her thing but her bedside manner and ethics are horrendous! If someone acted liked this outside of a tv show they’d definitely see some consequences and they’d be deserved
I agree that her bedside manner is not great at all. However, plenty of doctors have lousy bedside manners in real life, too. For many reasons. Being socially awkward isn’t necessarily a deterrent to being accepted into medical school or employed as a doctor.
@@dmf1301 if you’ve seen other clips of her, it’s not social awkwardness. There was an episode where she may or may not have tampered with medical equipment to get a patient to do what she wanted she’s kinda crazy
@@giselleb5499 there was also another episode where she antagonized a violent patient simply because she didnt like him which granted the dude was a desperate, delusional, misogynist but antagonizing the person who literally earlier in the day was doing drive by's shooting random women is never a good idea no matter your feelings
@@giselleb5499 Yeah, I've seen that - that behaviour was way out of line. Just wrong. Illegal, too - if they could have proved it, she would have been booted out! I'm sure that a real life med student would also be fired for such a breach. However, I was referring to her bedside manner in my comment - I used the term 'socially awkward' because there are many, many people who just don't have people skills... not because they're bad people, but because it can be hard. I have autism, and socializing can be hard for me, too. So I want to be fair to others who may have issues we don't know about. Real life doctors as well as TV/Film characters. But being socially awkward is one thing - criminal behaviour/negligence like lying to patients and manipulating equipment to bully them into a surgery they don't want is a separate thing - and absolutely wrong, as you said. Having an awkward bedside manner doesn't excuse that deliberate action! :(
Everyone over here hating on Dr. Curry for THIS decision of all things? The patient asked to be discharged. They CAN'T hold her there against her will unless it's deemed that she cannot make her own medical decisions. However, she was alert, aware, and able to understand the consequences of being released in her condition. Therefore, she might have to sign an "against medical advice" form, but they had to let her go. A psych hold was unwarranted, and this is the first clip I've seen where Dr. Charles was in the wrong.
@@marvolom787 I definitely disagree with Dr. Charles but I do think Dr. Curry is probably meant to be an antagonist. She’s very ambitious and sometimes blinded by it. I remember an episode where a woman wanted to keep her child though it would endanger her own life I forget what exactly Dr. Curry did but it went against the patients wishes
I think it was the fact that she encouraged the patient that what she was doing was totally fine and healthy when in reality it was dangerous. And also she went directly against her superior. But yes, she has done far worse things and this is mild compared to those
@@mcnoneya Yeah, and she saved that's womans life. By lying, falsyfying records sure, yet she was only reason that patient lived. I was more mad at everyone else for letting the woman kill herself slowly. Or by giving her false hope by not explaining her situation better. Also Dr. Curry saved that poor father from watching his wife die, while being able to do nothing
I don't hate Dr. Curry, now Dr. Charles is the one I hate. Curry is his opposite but I've from what I've seen she wants to help keep her patients alive, even the dumb stupid ones.
In my opinion, Dr. Curry is offering an effective means of keeping the patient healthy. The patient isn’t going to give in and expel the tapeworm, so to make sure the patient doesn’t get more ill, doing a case study and monitoring her vitals on a regular basis is a great way to check up on her health while at the same time gathering valuable information.
Yeah, i believe the one in the wrong here was Dr. Charles, you cannot act against your patients wishes, she’s not in immediate danger and no one really has concrete answers in why to keep her inpatient. Even though Curry is not my fav character she was doing the most logic and safe thing in this case.
i agree. most of the time, a chronically-ill person knows how their bodies function, what helps, and what doesn't. if the patient insists this is helping her (and if the evidence suggests it may be), then dr. curry's plan is an excellent follow-up
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl medical malpractice, enabling self harm, practicing medicine without the proper supervision. I do not remember if she was a med student or a resident at the time, but she wasn't the person in charge going in direct defiance of her medical supervisor on the case. Not the offering solutions part, but offering to supervisor her care for the purpose of a medical study that wasn't approved by any superiors. All 3 are very serious federal crimes on top of losing your license
Ingesting tapeworms/tapeworm eggs was sadly a common trend in the 70s I believe, many lost their life doing the pill that contains tapeworm eggs to achieve the “perfect body”. Mothers who use their children for money (liek beauty pageants) also do this so their child don’t get “obese” when in reality the child already has a good weight for their age. But I never heard of someone using tapeworm pills for MS 🤔 I have many friends who have MS but they never talked about this type of treatment
I was in the early stages of a helminthic therapy trial for a different autoimmune disorder a few years ago. There’s some evidence it helps some people, but you really need medical supervision right from the beginning - some gut parasites are more dangerous than others.
Honestly, I say let natural selection take it's course. If they're so sure of their own wisdom, then let them suffer whatever consequences. Not my clown, not my circus.
@@aislebasile Oh yeah, I think I read about that. Wasn't he in an advanced state of AIDS so his immune system couldn't get rid of the tapeworm cancer cells?
WRONG. She actually knew the new autoimmune therapies and merit. As a person with 3 different autoimmune diseases, I know some things like autoimmune conditions are incurable. If you can manage the disease, you add years to your life. Not to mention that you might be able to improve your quality of life. I'm practically bedridden and in my early 30's. If a tapeworm worked, I'd be happy to host a few.
to be fair, she's not really doctor material. she wants to do research and just needs to be there in order to be able to do that in the future. i'm uessing she worked so hard so many years that she doesnt really know how to interact with people properly
The og post is right too. Even if the tapeworm helped her MS it was foing to cause liver failure as other stuff too, plus Dr. Curry constantly is known to place patients at risk to suit her agenda, or in this case, let the patient experiment on herself
For once Dr Charles is wrong. The patient has every right to leave. Patients with cancer can refuse treatment, patients with a parasite can also refuse treatment. He had no right at all to put her on that hold.
And i like her.... it's just that she gets to opose 'God of Chicago universe dr. Charles' that she gets so much hate. But i like that she's ambitious and dare to have her own opinion.
@@joo_tothe_yeon To be fair, the fetus was unviable and killing the patient. What she did was wrong, but can I ask what you would have done? Would it have been better to let the patient die? Genuine question.
I'm no doctor and I understand the hippocratic oath, but some people just don't want any help. You can't force someone to get better if they don't want to. I would've just let that lady walk out and not lose any sleep if anything happened to her. He warned her and she ignored it.
yes but i think the issue here is she went around her superiors, shes a med student if i recall i dont think she has any power to let people stay or leave regardless of their rights now was doctor charles right with the psych hold thing? no but he also was blindsided by an inexperienced rookie who cared more about breakthrough research paper than if a woman lived or died
I know the tapeworm treatment is bad for the patient's health, but putting her on a psych hold wasn't the right thing to do. I'm glad Dr. Charles dropped it. I hope the patient got better, too.
I think part of that was because of Dr. Curry. She went behind his back and he probably felt like he didn't have control over her. Due to his wife being sick, he was probably feeling vulnerable and reacted that way. As far as I'm concerned, Dr. Charles might not be doing great in this episode but I also think that Dr. Curry precipitated that confrontation. She needs to be written up for her behavior here.
One of the times I was in the ER I had a PA (physician's assistant) do an initial assessment on me and examined me. It's important to know that this had been probably my 20th visit to the er in the past 2 years, and I have a regular doctor who works at the hospital who usually takes care of me and he was on vacation but I was in terrible pain and I had to go to the er. Anyway, she walked in the door holding my papers and the first thing she said was "why are you here again? You were told to follow up with a specialist. Did you do that? There's nothing else we can do for you here" and I said that I was in really terrible pain much worse than usual and she said "you look fine to me. We're not going through this again, go see a different doctor" and walked out. I was stunned and shocked by her attitude and behavior and the way she spoke to me. We submitted a formal complaint to the hospital and she got a citation or something, but that affected me mentally for weeks. That woman reminds me of the blonde med student. Almost exactly.
So that would mess me up too. But do you have any idea what kinda stuff you had wrong with your body? I noticed with mine something to do with stomach issues. I've had a few different things and I've gotten the idea over time not to go to the ER. But every time I've had stomach issues I found certain things that would affect me and I made it so I found certain pills I could get that I noticed over time would help with my stomach things tho. It was almost always let's get these specific tests first which I hated then it was I found this one Dr. that I got those pills from that didn't make me do all those tests all the time that I hated.
that's kinda ironic, considering the episode concludes with the blonde medical student being correct and Dr. Charles being in the wrong for trying to keep the woman in the hospital against her will
@@zilesis1 Generally the blonde haired doctor’s calls are always on the side of the science alone and never the patient. This was no different. While Dr. Charles was wrong here, self conducted studies are not safe. She was not being monitored properly.
I went in to the ER with a migraine so bad I could hardly see and the female doctor walked into my room and very loudly said that they don’t give patients pain meds. I told her that’s cool because I have my own already and that I need to see a neurologist. She started to balk and I told her to gtf out and find me a real doctor because I was going blind and didn’t have the time to deal with her. On another visit a doctor asked if my skin disease was due to injecting illicit drugs. He said he could see needle marks. Well yeah, those marks are from the IV infusions I get once a month and told him if he bothered to check my chart he’d see that I have a disease that makes healing take a very long time and I will always have little marks where an IV has been placed. Some doctors are morons.
okay, y'all - yes dr curry is HELLA annoying most other episodes, but this is one where she was in the right. not only did she work with the patient, but she did everything in a respectful environment and the patient seemed enthusiastic about research; there really wasn't overstepping on her part, but for the first time it was dr charles because this was personal to him.
Not really. Yes in theory this time she is right, but really it was motivated by selfishness and she undermined another doctor without proper lengthy discussion.
There's a difference to respecting a patients ideas and wanting them to continue. It's like jehovahs witnesses, you can respect their choices without saying it's great and continue to want them to endanger themselves. Bias stays out of professionalism.
I think Curry is smart enough to include ‘against orders’ forms in the discharge work, considering how this Dr Charles seems to work. I get that she’s the Heel Character, and Audience Hate Sink, but she is also clearly intelligent. I think she has the Lawful Evil mindset to accomplish her personal objective while towing the line of Dr Charles. I think, from a writers perspective, this was the one time in a hundred where the stars aligned in reverse, making the Cutthroat Student the ‘right’ one and the Experienced Veteran the ‘wrong’ one. It’s intentionally off paradigm to force the audience to think about this case, and people who blindly hate the Heel character don’t see that.
It irked me so much when Dr. Curry said "it looks like anorexia, but she's not underweight". While yes, she wasn't actually anorexic, being underweight is not! a! prerequisite! for! an! eating disorder!!!!
Similar thing happened to me IRL but for not agreeing to follow different medical advice and was forced on psych hold that they kept extending due to my non compliance. Now I have serious distrust of doctors and only do telehealth visits whenever possible so that nothing like this can ever happen again. Serious PTSD from this. Psych holds should never be used in this authoritative manner. Deplorable.
Most psychiatrists are psychopaths and almost all doctors are deeply involved in corruption. (Regulatory capture is a form of corruption, so association with medical associations, etc., is involvement with corruption. Also, occupational licensing is a monopolistic practice that, as with all other monopolistic practices, harms the buyers in the market, ie. the patients. The claim that this is done for the sake of the patients is a vicious lie to justify the psychopathic, even murderous status quo. Doctors are genuinely some of the worst people on the planet.)
I disagree, I think there is some basis given she was essentially committing suicide and in medicine doctors must not do harm and allowing her to continue would be to both condone and do harm
@@avgfree21 as someone with several chronic conditions i can see why someone would go to extremes and this episode the doctor's confirm its being tested by doctor's so tbh can get were she is coming from in the episode and having known many people who have unwillingly been put in psych holds who were at no point suicidal only 1 out of around 27 people came back out not wanting to commit sucide over their treatment so maybe im biased but my faith in psych holds and wards in general is abit murky at best especially considering several people in my country literally moved countries to not get put back in a psych ward and preceeded to live semi average lifes
@@avgfree21 And yet people are free to eat themselves to death, drink as much alcohol as they want and smoke 5 different types of tobacco products at the same time. Why are those people not placed in a psych hold?
Huh, I've heard there was a use for tapeworms regarding some disease you can get from mosquitos in Africa, where the presence of the tapeworm somehow prevents you catching it, but I've never heard of them treating this sort of thing.
"Not what I said!" But it is! He was saying that correlation doesnt necessarily mean causation, which in this context is that the tapeworm affected her remission of MS. What else could he have meant there? This whole thing feels like he's trying to be an arse on purpose and throw his weight around. I love Dr Charles and he's often the voice of reason, but here he was out of order.
Damn. I once saw a story, NOT in Chicago med, but a different show, that a woman trying to lose weight, took a diet pill and it made her lose a tremendous amount of weight, unknowingly to her, the diet pill had given her a tapeworm.
@@chelsierobb3778 Really? No actually, it was from a show called urban legends. It's kinda like beyond belief. Some stories are true and some are just myths, in this case, it was a myth
This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. All of the trials I've seen show helminthic treatments underperform vs current pharmaceutical treatments. The best results I saw were in a hookworm skin patch trial where the actual difference in MS lesions vs control were negligible but there was a marked boost to Regulatory T-Cells. Still, not significant enough to warrant continued study and definitely not significant enough to swallow a friggin tapeworm and possibly die from the myriad of complications that can cause from a therapy less effective than standardized treatments. Ugh i hate medical dramas
"All of the trials I've seen show helminthic treatments underperform vs current pharmaceutical treatments." Statistically they underperform. Does that mean there couldn't be some individuals for whom they are a better choice?
acute care and diagnosis of a chronic disease: 5 figures; second opinion 3 figures; informed second opinion 4 figures; care utensils, gear, renovations 3 to 5 figures; medication 4 figures monthly; therapy 3 figures monthly; cure: none; managed by high-sideeffect medication; low-sideeffect medication is illegal patient: "I read tapeworm and didn't know what else to do" everyone: *surprised pikachu face
I'm overweight. I've done and doing everything in my power to stop gaining weight. But even if I had in my power option to do something like this, IT WON'T HAPPEN! It's literally letting a venomous snake bite you, it's self harm if you don't have the right supervision and a resident CAN'T be in charge of something so severe. Dr. Charls is right, seeing someone doing something this stupid and letting it pass when knowing what will happen is unethical. And what does it say about the husband if he's letting the wife take this measure to lose weight??
To protect the hospital from legal action from the patients own decision to refuse treatment and leave she has to be released AMA (against medical advice), in addition they can have no further involvement with her treatment. The med student signing her out and promising to follow up, is a walking lawsuit waiting to happen.
You know what's even worse than that? A hospital sued for holding someone against their will and making a false claim of a psychiatrist hold. The woman is not incompetent and can make her own decisions. If Dr. Charles hadn't backed down, he would of been in worse trouble than Curry ever would be.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl it's been a while but I think I'm referring to a clip I saw in which a woman refused an abortion for an ectopic pregnancy due to religious beliefs or something until the naughty intern/new doc?/something? Tampered with the ultrasound to make it look like the fetus was already dead.
there's also several different types of parasitic worms that can be used in helminthic therapy, some of which aren't particularly harmful to humans such as the pig whipworm
Actually, they don't have that right... this is just Hollywood. I believe this episode is trying to make reference to a 302 Form, which is a psychologist's and psychiatrist's way of committing you against your will. But the form has to be signed-off by a judge.
@@thatguyrich9822 nope they do I was admitted last December from this same thing. They tried to say I said I was gonna kill myself so I was stuck in the hospital for like 10 days when I never said that. Plus when you’re in there everything you do makes you crazy so you have to stay longer. If you cry because you miss home or don’t want to be there, crazy. If you don’t participate in their group activities, crazy. If you talk to everyone there you’re crazy but if you don’t talk to anyone you’re also crazy. It’s just a huge scheme to make money
@@Morganjay00 1) If it was a regular hospital, and not a mental hospital, then you were held against your will. Call 911. 2) Adjudicated (in this context) = put there by court order.
People aren't hating him. People are hating how he acted in this particular episode Justifiably so, since, I don't know... Remember the episode where Dr. Charles absolutely grilled Dr. Curry for her decision to lie to a woman who was about to die to ectopic pregnancy? Saying stuff like "she has right to deny medical assistance". Not the stakes are much less severe, yet he's losing his mind, lol
The blonde lady I had only seen in two clips and I have hated her both times she’s basically evil and self absorbed and in the last clip lied about a baby dying so the mom would opt for an operation that would’ve killed the baby
dr curry is my favorite character in this show. she’s blunt, honest, and does have an attitude, but who cares. i hate how her having a loud voice gets her shot down
I can’t staaaannndddd that blonde lady!!! Between this and rigging the fetal monitor to trick a pt into thinking her baby died, I don’t know what happens to her on the show but man I hope she gets fired.
I hate Dr charles. Everyone is talking about how the blonde is in the wrong but Dr charles has never had to live with a chronic illness. Not to mention he is the worst Superior ever. He made this girl sit and read through misogynistic article and when this guy called her a feminoyed she was supposed to just keep calm. Dr charles is a an awful doctor who always tries to push his morals and understandings onto His patients in his fellow colleagues. It’s ridiculous.
Am I the only one who gets the feeling that Dr.Charles has it out for Dr.Curry. He forced her to be in a room with a violent misogynist after he had her research said misogynist's online activities, in addition to having her walk him through said research, despite her obvious discomfort; then having the gall to sympathise with the violent misogynistic gunman's 'loneliness'. He accused her of hacking a medical device with no actual evidence ("correlational is not necessarily causation"). And here he shuts down her attempts to get the patient to accept help with what the patient has decided to do, and then all but shouts her down when she explains his comments to the patient with phrasing he doesn't like.
You know whenever these clips come up, I try to give them the benefit of the doubt and try to hope that they get better but they don't. The Acting in the show is horrendous.
I was about to get mad when dr curry said that the patient couldn’t be anorexic without weight loss and dr. Charles corrected her because you 100% can.
I was pregnant with ethan for awhile now since I was in the hospital for pregnancy test results paperwork for filing the application to take medical problems for many more meds medicine medicines medication for prescription drug addiction treatment for severe swelling and anxiety and pain painer painless painkiller painkillers painful painfully for many personal emergency treatment is the only way to keep the power to keep track on my pregnancy and that was a very simple thing to do both days and months now for me ok
That blonde woman with the glasses shouldn't have made that judgment on her own without consulting her superior. That wasn't her call to make.
she was the worst character on the show by far
The actor is great at making us hate the character. That character has made so many bad decisions.
It wasn't her supervisors either. The patient was competent and wanted to be discharged.
@@thermusaquaticusPCR it wouldnt have hurt for her to get back nourished before rushing to get checked out bc she could end up right back in the hospital..i may start watching this show..it seems good
The character is meant to be hated so she's a fabulous actress
First clip I've seen where Dr. Charles isn't the most calm and stable presence he usually is.
You should see an episode with the same Dr. where she ignores a patients wishes about her baby.
@@mattmax11 oh is that the one where the woman wants to keep the child even though it would endanger her life and Dr.curry- the blonde with glasses couldn’t understand it and did something horrible I forget exactly what she did but it was against the patients wishes.
@@mcnoneya She faked a miscarriage to save the life of the mother. She hacked into the machine and forced it to show no fetal heart beat when there was one
@@mcnoneya She hacked the heartrate monitor to show the infant heartrate as a flatline, basically to show that the baby was dead and now they could save her life without endangering her child.
Dr. Charles puts people on psychiatric holds like he's giving out candy
Very true to life.
Dr. curry drives me insane. I get that it’s her character that she’s a PhD student and research is her thing but her bedside manner and ethics are horrendous! If someone acted liked this outside of a tv show they’d definitely see some consequences and they’d be deserved
I agree that her bedside manner is not great at all.
However, plenty of doctors have lousy bedside manners in real life, too. For many reasons.
Being socially awkward isn’t necessarily a deterrent to being accepted into medical school or employed as a doctor.
@@dmf1301 if you’ve seen other clips of her, it’s not social awkwardness. There was an episode where she may or may not have tampered with medical equipment to get a patient to do what she wanted she’s kinda crazy
@@giselleb5499 there was also another episode where she antagonized a violent patient simply because she didnt like him
which granted the dude was a desperate, delusional, misogynist but antagonizing the person who literally earlier in the day was doing drive by's shooting random women is never a good idea no matter your feelings
She's definitely the kind of character I'd like to punch in the face.
@@giselleb5499 Yeah, I've seen that - that behaviour was way out of line. Just wrong. Illegal, too - if they could have proved it, she would have been booted out! I'm sure that a real life med student would also be fired for such a breach.
However, I was referring to her bedside manner in my comment - I used the term 'socially awkward' because there are many, many people who just don't have people skills... not because they're bad people, but because it can be hard. I have autism, and socializing can be hard for me, too.
So I want to be fair to others who may have issues we don't know about. Real life doctors as well as TV/Film characters.
But being socially awkward is one thing - criminal behaviour/negligence like lying to patients and manipulating equipment to bully them into a surgery they don't want is a separate thing - and absolutely wrong, as you said. Having an awkward bedside manner doesn't excuse that deliberate action! :(
Everyone over here hating on Dr. Curry for THIS decision of all things? The patient asked to be discharged. They CAN'T hold her there against her will unless it's deemed that she cannot make her own medical decisions. However, she was alert, aware, and able to understand the consequences of being released in her condition. Therefore, she might have to sign an "against medical advice" form, but they had to let her go. A psych hold was unwarranted, and this is the first clip I've seen where Dr. Charles was in the wrong.
They seems to hate dr. Curry overall. Just because her role is to opose dr. Charles.
@@marvolom787 I definitely disagree with Dr. Charles but I do think Dr. Curry is probably meant to be an antagonist. She’s very ambitious and sometimes blinded by it. I remember an episode where a woman wanted to keep her child though it would endanger her own life I forget what exactly Dr. Curry did but it went against the patients wishes
I think it was the fact that she encouraged the patient that what she was doing was totally fine and healthy when in reality it was dangerous. And also she went directly against her superior. But yes, she has done far worse things and this is mild compared to those
@@mcnoneya Yeah, and she saved that's womans life. By lying, falsyfying records sure, yet she was only reason that patient lived. I was more mad at everyone else for letting the woman kill herself slowly. Or by giving her false hope by not explaining her situation better. Also Dr. Curry saved that poor father from watching his wife die, while being able to do nothing
I don't hate Dr. Curry, now Dr. Charles is the one I hate. Curry is his opposite but I've from what I've seen she wants to help keep her patients alive, even the dumb stupid ones.
In my opinion, Dr. Curry is offering an effective means of keeping the patient healthy. The patient isn’t going to give in and expel the tapeworm, so to make sure the patient doesn’t get more ill, doing a case study and monitoring her vitals on a regular basis is a great way to check up on her health while at the same time gathering valuable information.
Yeah, i believe the one in the wrong here was Dr. Charles, you cannot act against your patients wishes, she’s not in immediate danger and no one really has concrete answers in why to keep her inpatient. Even though Curry is not my fav character she was doing the most logic and safe thing in this case.
i agree. most of the time, a chronically-ill person knows how their bodies function, what helps, and what doesn't. if the patient insists this is helping her (and if the evidence suggests it may be), then dr. curry's plan is an excellent follow-up
Straight up it's illegal despite being moral, so again curry is awful as always
@@anonymous112Illegal how?
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl medical malpractice, enabling self harm, practicing medicine without the proper supervision. I do not remember if she was a med student or a resident at the time, but she wasn't the person in charge going in direct defiance of her medical supervisor on the case. Not the offering solutions part, but offering to supervisor her care for the purpose of a medical study that wasn't approved by any superiors. All 3 are very serious federal crimes on top of losing your license
As a fellow tapeworm, i respect the hospitals decision to side with the patient. I have kids to feed, too, you know.
Ingesting tapeworms/tapeworm eggs was sadly a common trend in the 70s I believe, many lost their life doing the pill that contains tapeworm eggs to achieve the “perfect body”. Mothers who use their children for money (liek beauty pageants) also do this so their child don’t get “obese” when in reality the child already has a good weight for their age. But I never heard of someone using tapeworm pills for MS 🤔 I have many friends who have MS but they never talked about this type of treatment
A while back there was a man who died cause his tapeworm had cancer. It's insane!
I was in the early stages of a helminthic therapy trial for a different autoimmune disorder a few years ago. There’s some evidence it helps some people, but you really need medical supervision right from the beginning - some gut parasites are more dangerous than others.
you aren't confusing the19th century for the 1970s? there are different species of tapeworms. pork tapeworms are nasty.
Honestly, I say let natural selection take it's course. If they're so sure of their own wisdom, then let them suffer whatever consequences. Not my clown, not my circus.
@@aislebasile Oh yeah, I think I read about that. Wasn't he in an advanced state of AIDS so his immune system couldn't get rid of the tapeworm cancer cells?
this attending has always been for herself first and nothing else. she has done time and time again out patients lives at risk
WRONG. She actually knew the new autoimmune therapies and merit. As a person with 3 different autoimmune diseases, I know some things like autoimmune conditions are incurable. If you can manage the disease, you add years to your life. Not to mention that you might be able to improve your quality of life. I'm practically bedridden and in my early 30's. If a tapeworm worked, I'd be happy to host a few.
to be fair, she's not really doctor material. she wants to do research and just needs to be there in order to be able to do that in the future. i'm uessing she worked so hard so many years that she doesnt really know how to interact with people properly
The og post is right too. Even if the tapeworm helped her MS it was foing to cause liver failure as other stuff too, plus Dr. Curry constantly is known to place patients at risk to suit her agenda, or in this case, let the patient experiment on herself
Okay but in this case the patient is of sound mind and wanted it so no harm no foul
I respect that the one time Dr Charles is wrong, he reverses his decision directly after.
For once Dr Charles is wrong. The patient has every right to leave. Patients with cancer can refuse treatment, patients with a parasite can also refuse treatment. He had no right at all to put her on that hold.
Strongly agree.
Sometimes the parasite IS in full control of how that patient want to leave. Doctors really have to re-study on how sapience works in micro-biology.
Yepp. 5150 is a violation of a person’s right to their own body.
@@XSilver_WaterX totally agree, but in this case she understood and was still had mental capacity
He had the right, and he wasn't wrong: she could have collapsed at any moment.
Treating the tapeworm is a completely different matter though
The medical student gets on my nerves 🙄
Mine too! She always gets on my nerves 🤣 she gives out her opinion and acts on it but when someone else does it she gets all upset 😭 just annoying lol
Hated her since she lied about a woman’s baby dying to give her an abortion the woman playing her does so well in making ppl hate her
And i like her.... it's just that she gets to opose 'God of Chicago universe dr. Charles' that she gets so much hate. But i like that she's ambitious and dare to have her own opinion.
@@joo_tothe_yeon To be fair, the fetus was unviable and killing the patient. What she did was wrong, but can I ask what you would have done? Would it have been better to let the patient die? Genuine question.
Wonderfully Horrible character. Fantastic actress. ♥️
I'm no doctor and I understand the hippocratic oath, but some people just don't want any help. You can't force someone to get better if they don't want to. I would've just let that lady walk out and not lose any sleep if anything happened to her. He warned her and she ignored it.
yes but i think the issue here is she went around her superiors, shes a med student if i recall
i dont think she has any power to let people stay or leave regardless of their rights
now was doctor charles right with the psych hold thing? no but he also was blindsided by an inexperienced rookie who cared more about breakthrough research paper than if a woman lived or died
I know the tapeworm treatment is bad for the patient's health, but putting her on a psych hold wasn't the right thing to do. I'm glad Dr. Charles dropped it. I hope the patient got better, too.
I think part of that was because of Dr. Curry. She went behind his back and he probably felt like he didn't have control over her. Due to his wife being sick, he was probably feeling vulnerable and reacted that way. As far as I'm concerned, Dr. Charles might not be doing great in this episode but I also think that Dr. Curry precipitated that confrontation. She needs to be written up for her behavior here.
One of the times I was in the ER I had a PA (physician's assistant) do an initial assessment on me and examined me. It's important to know that this had been probably my 20th visit to the er in the past 2 years, and I have a regular doctor who works at the hospital who usually takes care of me and he was on vacation but I was in terrible pain and I had to go to the er. Anyway, she walked in the door holding my papers and the first thing she said was "why are you here again? You were told to follow up with a specialist. Did you do that? There's nothing else we can do for you here" and I said that I was in really terrible pain much worse than usual and she said "you look fine to me. We're not going through this again, go see a different doctor" and walked out. I was stunned and shocked by her attitude and behavior and the way she spoke to me. We submitted a formal complaint to the hospital and she got a citation or something, but that affected me mentally for weeks.
That woman reminds me of the blonde med student. Almost exactly.
So that would mess me up too. But do you have any idea what kinda stuff you had wrong with your body? I noticed with mine something to do with stomach issues. I've had a few different things and I've gotten the idea over time not to go to the ER. But every time I've had stomach issues I found certain things that would affect me and I made it so I found certain pills I could get that I noticed over time would help with my stomach things tho. It was almost always let's get these specific tests first which I hated then it was I found this one Dr. that I got those pills from that didn't make me do all those tests all the time that I hated.
that's kinda ironic, considering the episode concludes with the blonde medical student being correct and Dr. Charles being in the wrong for trying to keep the woman in the hospital against her will
@@zilesis1 Generally the blonde haired doctor’s calls are always on the side of the science alone and never the patient. This was no different. While Dr. Charles was wrong here, self conducted studies are not safe. She was not being monitored properly.
how? dr. curry was actually supportive of the patient's perspective and goals. if anyone was acting like that PA in this clip, it was dr. charles.
I went in to the ER with a migraine so bad I could hardly see and the female doctor walked into my room and very loudly said that they don’t give patients pain meds. I told her that’s cool because I have my own already and that I need to see a neurologist. She started to balk and I told her to gtf out and find me a real doctor because I was going blind and didn’t have the time to deal with her.
On another visit a doctor asked if my skin disease was due to injecting illicit drugs. He said he could see needle marks. Well yeah, those marks are from the IV infusions I get once a month and told him if he bothered to check my chart he’d see that I have a disease that makes healing take a very long time and I will always have little marks where an IV has been placed.
Some doctors are morons.
Dr. Charles and Dr. Curry standing next to each other is so funny to me. Like the size difference is hilarious. 😂
okay, y'all - yes dr curry is HELLA annoying most other episodes, but this is one where she was in the right. not only did she work with the patient, but she did everything in a respectful environment and the patient seemed enthusiastic about research; there really wasn't overstepping on her part, but for the first time it was dr charles because this was personal to him.
Not really. Yes in theory this time she is right, but really it was motivated by selfishness and she undermined another doctor without proper lengthy discussion.
There's a difference to respecting a patients ideas and wanting them to continue.
It's like jehovahs witnesses, you can respect their choices without saying it's great and continue to want them to endanger themselves.
Bias stays out of professionalism.
@@joshuad3507 Exactly this
she definitely wasn’t in the right. having your heart in the right place is very different from taking the correct actions
I have MS the lengths we go to end our constant suffering is sometimes unimaginable
Did you try a tapeworm or something similar?
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I think Curry is smart enough to include ‘against orders’ forms in the discharge work, considering how this Dr Charles seems to work. I get that she’s the Heel Character, and Audience Hate Sink, but she is also clearly intelligent. I think she has the Lawful Evil mindset to accomplish her personal objective while towing the line of Dr Charles.
I think, from a writers perspective, this was the one time in a hundred where the stars aligned in reverse, making the Cutthroat Student the ‘right’ one and the Experienced Veteran the ‘wrong’ one. It’s intentionally off paradigm to force the audience to think about this case, and people who blindly hate the Heel character don’t see that.
It irked me so much when Dr. Curry said "it looks like anorexia, but she's not underweight". While yes, she wasn't actually anorexic, being underweight is not! a! prerequisite! for! an! eating disorder!!!!
Very true! Anorexia is a mental issue, not a body type.
Exactly. The eating disorder comes first, the weight loss is the consequence that comes later.
Every time someone brings up low B12 in a medical drama, it's a tapeworm! Every time!
Similar thing happened to me IRL but for not agreeing to follow different medical advice and was forced on psych hold that they kept extending due to my non compliance. Now I have serious distrust of doctors and only do telehealth visits whenever possible so that nothing like this can ever happen again.
Serious PTSD from this. Psych holds should never be used in this authoritative manner. Deplorable.
Most psychiatrists are psychopaths and almost all doctors are deeply involved in corruption.
(Regulatory capture is a form of corruption, so association with medical associations, etc., is involvement with corruption. Also, occupational licensing is a monopolistic practice that, as with all other monopolistic practices, harms the buyers in the market, ie. the patients. The claim that this is done for the sake of the patients is a vicious lie to justify the psychopathic, even murderous status quo. Doctors are genuinely some of the worst people on the planet.)
I disagree, I think there is some basis given she was essentially committing suicide and in medicine doctors must not do harm and allowing her to continue would be to both condone and do harm
@@avgfree21 as someone with several chronic conditions i can see why someone would go to extremes and this episode the doctor's confirm its being tested by doctor's so tbh can get were she is coming from in the episode and having known many people who have unwillingly been put in psych holds who were at no point suicidal only 1 out of around 27 people came back out not wanting to commit sucide over their treatment so maybe im biased but my faith in psych holds and wards in general is abit murky at best especially considering several people in my country literally moved countries to not get put back in a psych ward and preceeded to live semi average lifes
@@avgfree21 And yet people are free to eat themselves to death, drink as much alcohol as they want and smoke 5 different types of tobacco products at the same time. Why are those people not placed in a psych hold?
why is it so chill usually it's crazy and stressfil
She can leave against medical advice. She knows the risk. The hospital isn’t liable.
I hate doctor when they act to emotional or irrational. It makes them unpredictable and undetermined
1:42 god grief...but being disabled sick and desperate... I know how desperate she is...
I like the relationship between Goodman abd Charles ❤
Huh, I've heard there was a use for tapeworms regarding some disease you can get from mosquitos in Africa, where the presence of the tapeworm somehow prevents you catching it, but I've never heard of them treating this sort of thing.
Prevention is not cure. It might not work like that.
I think he would have come to the right decision if she wasn’t being released by a researcher
"Not what I said!"
But it is! He was saying that correlation doesnt necessarily mean causation, which in this context is that the tapeworm affected her remission of MS. What else could he have meant there? This whole thing feels like he's trying to be an arse on purpose and throw his weight around.
I love Dr Charles and he's often the voice of reason, but here he was out of order.
To be honest Dr. Charles feels like someon who thinks he knows all. Especially on newer seasons
She is a piece of work but to see her take charge is something I didn't expect to hear.
Now I’m going to my doctor 7 times a day asking if I have a tapeworm
Dr. Charles casually flexing the the psych-hold just because the patient refused treatment was a bit hard to watch tbh
tapeworm sounds odd
they are dangerous to do it to yourself. different species of tapeworms have different symptoms and different levels of danger.
Dr Charles lost it there but after Goodwin "pet talk" he saw sense👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
I understand you’re in pain, but affecting yourself with the brain eating tapeworm is not smart.
The most unrealistic moment in TV medicine history... a psychiatrist admitting they're wrong
Charles: “not what i said!”
Um thats exactly what you said 😆 i love this guy!
Legalized kidnapping is evil.
Damn. I once saw a story, NOT in Chicago med, but a different show, that a woman trying to lose weight, took a diet pill and it made her lose a tremendous amount of weight, unknowingly to her, the diet pill had given her a tapeworm.
Sounds like untold stories of the ER
Might have been House
@@chelsierobb3778 Really? No actually, it was from a show called urban legends. It's kinda like beyond belief. Some stories are true and some are just myths, in this case, it was a myth
Chicago Med my favorite show
Second comment 4 this amazing show. Watched all these clips. Never actually seen the show properly but already hooked
Great show yall.
This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. All of the trials I've seen show helminthic treatments underperform vs current pharmaceutical treatments. The best results I saw were in a hookworm skin patch trial where the actual difference in MS lesions vs control were negligible but there was a marked boost to Regulatory T-Cells. Still, not significant enough to warrant continued study and definitely not significant enough to swallow a friggin tapeworm and possibly die from the myriad of complications that can cause from a therapy less effective than standardized treatments.
Ugh i hate medical dramas
Trust me, despite some of them have its charm, there will never be a realistic medical drama
"All of the trials I've seen show helminthic treatments underperform vs current pharmaceutical treatments."
Statistically they underperform. Does that mean there couldn't be some individuals for whom they are a better choice?
I've heard Code Black wasn't awfully inaccurate
Sure, stats are nice and all, but they don't mean anything to you when you fall outside of them like this woman
@@Jitterbuck she didnt tell how she was without push of ms . She will died or poor health . Aka a lot of citizens in poor countries
I’ve been in eating disorder treatment before. You can be at a healthy weight and still be anorexic.
That blonde woman aggravates me LMAO
Dr. Curry infuriates me so goddamn much.
acute care and diagnosis of a chronic disease: 5 figures; second opinion 3 figures; informed second opinion 4 figures; care utensils, gear, renovations 3 to 5 figures; medication 4 figures monthly; therapy 3 figures monthly;
cure: none; managed by high-sideeffect medication; low-sideeffect medication is illegal
patient: "I read tapeworm and didn't know what else to do"
everyone: *surprised pikachu face
That was extreme. Most tapeworms don't cause severe issues.
Thats such unfair treatment of a patient. The drs need to be on the same page
I'm overweight. I've done and doing everything in my power to stop gaining weight. But even if I had in my power option to do something like this, IT WON'T HAPPEN!
It's literally letting a venomous snake bite you, it's self harm if you don't have the right supervision and a resident CAN'T be in charge of something so severe.
Dr. Charls is right, seeing someone doing something this stupid and letting it pass when knowing what will happen is unethical. And what does it say about the husband if he's letting the wife take this measure to lose weight??
He should’ve maybe apologized to the patient and his fellow doctor?
To protect the hospital from legal action from the patients own decision to refuse treatment and leave she has to be released AMA (against medical advice), in addition they can have no further involvement with her treatment.
The med student signing her out and promising to follow up, is a walking lawsuit waiting to happen.
You know what's even worse than that? A hospital sued for holding someone against their will and making a false claim of a psychiatrist hold. The woman is not incompetent and can make her own decisions. If Dr. Charles hadn't backed down, he would of been in worse trouble than Curry ever would be.
I love Dr Charles
She’s a medical student. She can’t discharge anyone or follow up. What a joke.
They can put THIS woman on a psych hold but not the one who refused treatment for an ectopic pregnancy???
It wasn't ectopic. She was on such a poor diet that is was causing the fetus to be severely underdeveloped.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl it's been a while but I think I'm referring to a clip I saw in which a woman refused an abortion for an ectopic pregnancy due to religious beliefs or something until the naughty intern/new doc?/something? Tampered with the ultrasound to make it look like the fetus was already dead.
@Quintus468 Oh yeah I forgot about that.
there's also several different types of parasitic worms that can be used in helminthic therapy, some of which aren't particularly harmful to humans such as the pig whipworm
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3:18 That is exactly what you meant by 'correlation does not equal causation'. What other meaning could you have possibly meant in that instance?
i have MS and me and my mom and brother have needed to look into that look for things to help me whit that and we have never heard that
I love S. Epatha😍😍😍
Honestly I agree with holding her. Tapeworms can spread regardless of popular belief.
Great show
Dr. Curry needs to GO!!!!
I HATE that doctors have the right to just say oh you have to stay here then you’re stuck. Shits so dumb
Actually, they don't have that right... this is just Hollywood. I believe this episode is trying to make reference to a 302 Form, which is a psychologist's and psychiatrist's way of committing you against your will. But the form has to be signed-off by a judge.
@@thatguyrich9822 nope they do
I was admitted last December from this same thing. They tried to say I said I was gonna kill myself so I was stuck in the hospital for like 10 days when I never said that. Plus when you’re in there everything you do makes you crazy so you have to stay longer. If you cry because you miss home or don’t want to be there, crazy. If you don’t participate in their group activities, crazy. If you talk to everyone there you’re crazy but if you don’t talk to anyone you’re also crazy. It’s just a huge scheme to make money
@@Morganjay00 What sort of hospital were you in? And were you adjudicated?
@@thatguyrich9822 just a regular hospital lol and idk what that means 😬
@@Morganjay00 1) If it was a regular hospital, and not a mental hospital, then you were held against your will. Call 911.
2) Adjudicated (in this context) = put there by court order.
Stop hating on dr.Charles, he's the best one on the show!!!
People aren't hating him. People are hating how he acted in this particular episode
Justifiably so, since, I don't know... Remember the episode where Dr. Charles absolutely grilled Dr. Curry for her decision to lie to a woman who was about to die to ectopic pregnancy? Saying stuff like "she has right to deny medical assistance". Not the stakes are much less severe, yet he's losing his mind, lol
She passed out on her way out
The blonde lady I had only seen in two clips and I have hated her both times she’s basically evil and self absorbed and in the last clip lied about a baby dying so the mom would opt for an operation that would’ve killed the baby
Does anyone remember an episode where they get a patient, a young girl, who’s trying to make it as a comedian?
dr curry is my favorite character in this show. she’s blunt, honest, and does have an attitude, but who cares. i hate how her having a loud voice gets her shot down
HOW is a tapeworm supposed to help with MS??? 😮
I can’t staaaannndddd that blonde lady!!! Between this and rigging the fetal monitor to trick a pt into thinking her baby died, I don’t know what happens to her on the show but man I hope she gets fired.
Just hope the woman is doing okay💔
Erm, you realise its fictional, right? The actor will be just fine and didn't actually have to have a tapeworm or MS to play the character.
This show is inferior in every way compared to House MD.
Where’s the tapeworm?
I hate Dr charles. Everyone is talking about how the blonde is in the wrong but Dr charles has never had to live with a chronic illness. Not to mention he is the worst Superior ever. He made this girl sit and read through misogynistic article and when this guy called her a feminoyed she was supposed to just keep calm. Dr charles is a an awful doctor who always tries to push his morals and understandings onto His patients in his fellow colleagues. It’s ridiculous.
Please FIRE Dr blonde, she destroys
In this case, she didn't do anything wrong.
Can Dr.curry get fired?? I don’t like her 😊 she got rid of someone’s baby because it was killing the patient. Dr.curry respectfully get fired.
I love her she’s the best doctor they have
sarcasm?
@@jarofdirt9 no how can you tell who I like you don’t even know me
@@jarofdirt9 no sarcasm
@@dreyday21 yikes...
Am I the only one who gets the feeling that Dr.Charles has it out for Dr.Curry.
He forced her to be in a room with a violent misogynist after he had her research said misogynist's online activities, in addition to having her walk him through said research, despite her obvious discomfort; then having the gall to sympathise with the violent misogynistic gunman's 'loneliness'.
He accused her of hacking a medical device with no actual evidence ("correlational is not necessarily causation").
And here he shuts down her attempts to get the patient to accept help with what the patient has decided to do, and then all but shouts her down when she explains his comments to the patient with phrasing he doesn't like.
You know whenever these clips come up, I try to give them the benefit of the doubt and try to hope that they get better but they don't. The Acting in the show is horrendous.
it's is not going for him he not halping to her
I Love💛🤍💙dr Charles
I just hope the worms ok 😞
I was about to get mad when dr curry said that the patient couldn’t be anorexic without weight loss and dr. Charles corrected her because you 100% can.
I don't care what the blonde chick's name is, just that she is INFURIATING.
This is one of the few times Dr Curry was in the right and Dr Charles was wrong.
I do not like the blonde Dr they need to get rid of her
she walked out of the show awhile ago
Now we know the exact reason I do not like doctors
I hate, hate, hate dr charles
It's a tv show.
The blonde woman is doing to much they need to get rid of het
You don't have to be underweight to have anorexia, BTW, Chicago Med.
They literally say that, that's the reason why Dr. Charles comes in, despite her not being underweight.
They literally said that in the video lmaoooo
I was pregnant with ethan for awhile now since I was in the hospital for pregnancy test results paperwork for filing the application to take medical problems for many more meds medicine medicines medication for prescription drug addiction treatment for severe swelling and anxiety and pain painer painless painkiller painkillers painful painfully for many personal emergency treatment is the only way to keep the power to keep track on my pregnancy and that was a very simple thing to do both days and months now for me ok
I personaly don't like dr Curry. She's too arogant. She made so many mistakes since she came. She always thinks that she's right.
After doctor manning, this is second most annoying character.
And Topics And Making A Crime Like Pregnancy On Lisa The Patient
Listen Charles is wrong
But like
CURRY AINT RIGHT😭😭
The blonde who’s also sometimes the brunette if she were actually in the medical field should be tried at the stake.