No such thing as a dead cartridge as far as I'm concerned. Just because it's not the most popular with the masses, doesn't mean it won't still get the job done, or that it's any less fun to shoot, unreliable, or less easy to handload. That in a nutshell sums up the 40 S&W and the 357 Sig in my book.
That's literally the reasoning behind why I want to get a 20 guage shotgun for bird hunting and such- I figure that, if there's an ammo shortage, I'll have some more shells I can buy before they run out opposed to if I get a 12 guage.
I know everywhere has 40 when everything else is out but i hate paying 30 bucks for target ammo. I can find speer gold dot for the same as practice ammo sometimes
The nice part about the lack of popularity for .40 is that used handguns chambered in it tend to be bargains. I picked up a LEO trade-in PX4 in .40 for less than $240 a couple years back. Runs like a top.
Agreed. I was able to pick up a FNS 40 for $360. Eats everything I have ran in it. Note: this was brand new, not a trade in. I think this was about the time the 509 came out.
@aaroniousairlines9087 my understanding is the grip on 45 acp glocks are like holding a 2x4. The GAP was made to reduce the grip size while keeping 45 fans happy. What 45 fans should have really done is become 40 fans.
@@FoulPetIf Glock’s 45 GAP Full size magazines held more than 13 rounds of their 45 ACP model than maybe they would’ve convinced people. But the 45 GAP was trying to fix a problem that Glock caused with their bad ergonomics.
The .40 is possibly the perfect semi auto cartridge. Nothing against 10mm but the reason the .40 was created wasn't so much to do with 10mm recoil, it was 10mm SIZE, afterall the .40 load was a ballistic twin of the 10mm load they had chosen so if anything, the .40 would have had more recoil because the gun was smaller/lighter. That's the greatness about the .40 S&W, it fits in 9mm size guns, so even with 10mm resurgence (to a degree, it's still less popular than .40) there's still room for the .40 due to platform size. With .40 you get 9mm size and about 90% the power of a 10mm. Can't beat that.
I think the 10mm in a Glock 29 is the perfect “do it all” cartridge/gun combo. It can be downloaded to .40 S&W level for defensive use against 2 legged predators, or loaded heavy with some Buffalo Bore for defensive use against hairy things with teeth and claws in the woods. In a Glock 20 or one of the Springfield or even 1911 styles it makes a pretty good medium game hunting round. Recoil with hot 10mm loads is certainly more than .40, but everything has a trade off. 10mm is definitely a larger frame handgun and its harder to conceal. .40 will always work better than 9mm. If it was “better” than 9mm 10 years ago, its still better now unless all these advancements in bullet technology only apply to 9mm.
@@bennwj10mm is just watered down now tho other then Buffalo bore but i wouldn't recommend there ammo they have said "Some of our loads do not have SAAMI standards" some gun companies won't own up to warranties if used Buffalo bore not sure how they know unless you tell them
Agreed, absolutely. The Federal 180 grain HST 40 S&W round is arguably THE BEST PERFORMING all around SD hollow-point round out there in any common auto caliber, short of a 10mm (and it performs VERY NEARLY as well in gel as the Sig Sauer 180 grain 10mm V-crown round...FROM A SMALLER, LIGHTER, MORE COMPACT GUN than a 10mm to boot). But, 40 S&W, HOWEVER, IN FMJ'S/HARDCAST ammo has INFERIOR PENETRATION to 9mm, .357 Sig and 10mm. So, 40S&W is potentially equal to 10mm for SELF DEFENSE, but 10mm AND EVEN 357 SIG is probably better for hunting and animal defense than .40S&W, sadly.
Well, not all 10mm is "watered down". There are still companies loading full power 10mm....Sig, Federal etc. Buffalo Bore isn't full power 10mm. It's ABOVE full power 10mm, but if you have a good gun (Glock, Springfield etc) it is more than safe to shoot. You WILL need to add a heavier recoil spring because the springs in a Glock are weak....the expect 99% of people who buy one on 10mm to shoot cheap, underpowered 10mm ammo, and the slide opens up before the bullet leaves the barrel. Velocities are all over the place. I put 24lb springs in both my Glocks and velocities spreads are great and they even function with (most) downloaded ammo. But like I said if you are shooting downloaded 10mm you should just be shooting 40. I now only carry my G29 in the woods. For daily carry its a G27 (40) or a G26 (9mm)@@johns3153
@@bennwj I've tested sig Vcrown and federal ammo 40s&w out performed 10mm i tested the 40s&w out of a ruger sr40c 3.5" barrel with stock recoil spring the 10mm was a buddy's glock with 4" barrel and everything stock but the trigger
I still like the 40S&W as a carry round. One thing that is not talked about much is how some manufacturers switch their frames of 9mm to stronger frames that can hand 40S&W or 9mm after a barrel change. 40S&W was beating the 9mm frame to dust when it came out.
I heard 40s&w referred to as the habenaro pepper of the sub caliber rounds. The 40 is still too much for some people to hang on to. I love my xdm and the 40 s&w cartridge. It's a great caliber!
@@warrengreen3217I agree with @adamginther5331 about the frame strengthening and own an example of this concept: Browning HiPower in 40S&W. After about 2k rounds, the original forged MKIII frames would warp even though the slide and recoil spring were beefed up to handle the 40. In 1993, FN began using harder cast frames in an effort to resolve this issue and to my knowledge, has no longer been an area of concern. I'll credit the late Stephan A. Camp for putting all this in print in his "The Shooter's Guide to the Browning Hi Power".
S&W, Styer and H&K made pistols, designed from the ground up to shoot .40... There may be others, idk S&W uses the .40 to retool down to 9mm. Glock, and many others, did it the other way round. If you get a S&W M&P 9mm... It was designed to shoot the .40.
The .40 is my favorite caliber. I don't think it's going to disappear any time soon. It's a flat shooting hard-hitting round and very accurate. I don't find the recoil to be an issue, but I shoot quite a bit and can see how some folks might not be able to manage it. The ammo is cheaper than .45 or 357 Sig and there is plenty of it around. Great video 👌
@zachhubbard8629 it will dominate because of its ballistics and capacity , it has the stopping power of larger calibers , the accuracy of lighter smaller rounds , and decent ammo capacity . What hand gun cartridge is a better mediator than 357 sig.
I dont think so. Nobody doubt that 357 SIg is better than 9mm. But the LE think that 9mm is good enough. By the way is the secret service still using 357 Sig or did they also change to 9mm?
I work in a gun shop in GA. Leading up to 2020, we had stopped buying or trading .40 S&W guns. We had so many that used 40's that they completely filled one of our showcases and no one wanted them. In early 2020 that began to change as new guns in any caliber were getting hard to find. We sold almost completely out of inventory. Things have somewhat returned to normal and the forty seems to be doing okay again. By far the number caliber gun we sell is 9mm though.
I agree with you and actually, a few years back I was looking for a 10mm and the sales person told me it was a dead caliber. Well, he was wrong. I also hope there are many knuckleheads like me, buying 357 Sig and 40 S&W because they're fun to shoot and effective as well! Love my P320 in 357 Sig and my P229 Equinox in 40!
The silly thing about 10mm is that many of the manufacturers don't load it to 10mm specs. They underload it to the point of literally being a .40, with longer brass and sell it for more money. At that point, what does 10mm bring to the table? Yeah, you can go hunt down 10mm loaded to spec, but that's even more money.
The way I see it is, stock up on .40 now while everyone is focused on other calibers. I found some pretty good deals recently and hopped on em. Spent about 80 bucks less for double what I bought last time. Honestly, I just like the way it feels. I have p320, so I just get whatever is more affordable at the time and swap uppers and mags based on that.
Yep. So true. .380 auto, 9mm, 40 s&w, and 45 acp will never die. They litterally are the perfect semi auto rounds because they cross off every thing most people look for. I carry 45. My grandma has a 40 my brother and roommate shoot 9mm my dad carries a .38p
The 357 Sig (note we don't use a period) will never die for the States Hwy. patrol agency's as it was specifically design for them. And for the same reasons the .357 magnum was design back in the day for the police dept's. It was specifically asked for to mimic the magnum but in an auto loader with more capacity. It is indeed a superb cartridge.
I think maybe the Hwy patrol uses the 357 Sig so much because it penetrates through car doors better than 40 or 9 and being as they do traffic stops almost exclusively and not domestic calls, etc. the 357 sig is the best round for their specific role. So in that respect I can’t disagree with their choice in duty round. But I think for most people, LE or civilian, there’s better rounds. Especially when you start thinking about cost to train and be proficient and also having to shoot from inside a closed space like a small room or inside your car. A 357 Sig would likely cause permanent hearing loss whereas a 9 or 40 would just make your ears ring for a day. I also know that many park rangers and game wardens carry 357 Sig as well to better deal with grizzlies and moose. For that situation I’ll take my 10mm Glock though.
40 is still my favorite overall. When all things considered. (Cost, performance, capacity) love 357s and 10 of course. But they're both still a bit too high to practice a lot with. Hate that every new release now is 9mm only. With the occasional 10/45 release.
Idiots rule, huh bro? I have 2 M&P 2.0s ( 5"Pro and 3.6 compact) 40sw. Both have 357sig conversions, ( 5" KKM and can't remember the 3.6"make) Anyway, I am pretty pissed that S&W didn't release a 40sw Shield Plus.
40 sw is the most balanced caliber, from 2 predators to wood defense that fit in 9mm size guns and nearly the same capacity as 9 mm, it also has that "knockdown" power of the 45 acp with the 200 grain 40sw.
I made my go-to-war gun the .40 S&W back in the ammo shortages of the late "teens." .45 was too expensive and the shelves were FULL Of .40, so I figured it would be readily available from then on. It has been. It also makes a heckuva boom! And my .40 Sig P226 has saved my life once. So I'm happy with it. PLUS, I can swap out the barrel and use that other round you're condemning! Hah!
My prediction is as follows: If AWBs are good and truly dead (which they may be ... fingers crossed, knock wood and all that), .40 will slowly fade away. However if AWBs are upheld, as more and more blue states enact them and mag limits, you'll see .40 rise back up in popularity. I got my first .40 back during the 94 ban and frankly the reason was "if I'm limited to 10 rounds, they might as well be more powerful rounds".
A think 9mm is the goto due to these tuff times 40sw 10mm 45acp and 357sig are priced very highly. I can find 9mm ammo in academy at 12-17 dollars a box and plenty of JHP selections. I can not say the same on 357sig.
That is SOOOO true! I worked at a gun store after HS in the early 90’s. We sold a buttload of .45 & .40’s after ‘94 & the Clinton ban took effect. Also, LE of all levels was packing .40’s then; ATF, FBI, many state HP/SP’s etc.
I have 9mm, 10mm and 40 S&W handguns. I like them all. The 40 S&W is a fine cartridge and as long as it shoots the commonly available 180 grain bullet that I reload, I'll keep shooting it. It's popularity doesn't figure into my use of it.
I started out with a .380 and a 9mm but due to ammo supply issues during the pandemic I have added viable carry gun options in .40 and .45, and I'll add a 10mm by the end of the year along with a couple revolves.
If you're going to get revolvers there's no reason to go 10mm imo, I'd go for a .357 mag instead, biggest advantage of a revolver is you can have much larger/powerful rounds bc they don't have to fit into a hand grip.
My M&P Shield in .40 S&W with a .357 Sig convertible barrel is my go to carry gun. I don't care if no one shoots it but me. I don't follow crowd when it comes to my firearms collection. The 9mm may be the caliber of choice for the masses, but it doesn't do a thing for me that I can't get a king sized dose of from my Shield configuration and those preferred calibers.
I've found a new Shield 2.0 in 40 locally for 375. Really considering picking it up. Just for the option of 3 in a carry size. Already have a 3.6" sub m&p40c with 9,40,357s barrels. The shield would just make it a bit more comfy. Mainly less weight.
Glock fanboy #1 here. Love 40 S&W, 357 SIG, and 9x19. All three calibers compliment each other; they do not negate one another. Great video. Oftentimes the popular choice is not the best choice.
Sad thing is there are as many new 357sig guns being made today as there are 45gap. 357sig and 40s&w are awesome out of a 10mm handgun using a conversion barrel. 9x25 dillon definitely needs to be resurrected. Most of my 40s&w caliber handguns also have .357sig barrels. 357sig for defensive use, 40s&w for cheap practice.
9mm is popular now hence the new gun owners. The .40 S&W is still well in use across the board in the US of A, experienced handgunners prefer it for the stronger punch. It has a lot o the characteristics of its big brother, the 10mm. Love .357 SIG accept for the price. 😆 State troopers love it for its ability to shoot through glass and car doors. Hence the price!!!
I’ll give you one place they are still popular, rounds limited states! If I’m limited to 10 rounds here in CT, I’m packing the most of the biggest available rounds I can find.
Both cartridges will be manufactured for decades to come. While handgun choices, and factory loadings may be limited, if you are happy with the one (or more) you already own, they will continue to serve you as well as they ever did. After that, their bore sizes are used by other, more popular cartridges, so bullets will be available and you can lay in a stock of cartridge cases. Handloading is a thing. I would advise people using these, that if there is a particular defensive load you prefer for carry, stock up on it as it could be discontinued in the future.
I have a first gen, blued Colt Delta Elite from 1988, (safe queen). I remember when 10mm was supposed to be dead. Now I own 4 different 10mm's. I carry a 357Sig in my Sig P239 and I have the P229 in 357 Sig. I have stockpiles of every caliber I own, so I'm not worried. Would love to see more Dillon guns and ammo for sure!!!
Have both 10mm and 357sig. On the sig one thing not mentioned is, it's flat shooting capabilities over the 10mm. In bear country I carry the 10mm with 200 grainers. But it drops like a rock if needing a further shot.
Just picked up a glock 23 in .40 and its a dream. Mags and ammo are cheap and available in piles. Its like i went back in time and i just always find what i need on the shelves.
I read a book that in it the author simply stated that any cartridge that has been adopted by the military can generally expect to have a very long life once it gets into the civilian market. One example the 30-06 , from which the .270 and the .243 were born.All are very popular cartridges that can be found in almost any deer hunting camp in the southern U.S. ,that is of course along with the various Nitro Express offerings, deer get pretty big down south and sometimes require, something a bit more, than your standard deer rifle cartridge.
Yeah sometimes all you really need is popularity in a certain region and your all set. A few years back I picked up a .35 Remington lever-action which I absolutely love. That round has been around for more than 100 years and is still a popular round for hunting in the dense forests of the Northeastern United States.
@@ericlilienfeld7273 yes sir , many years ago I was at a shooting range and a young man had a Thompson contender chambered in .35 Whelan. As he pulled the cartridge out to load it ,I said god damn, really that ? I knew that I was in for a ride. Kaboom, wow that was something else, amazing. I only mentioned this because, I believe that the .35 Whelan was a necked up .30-06 ,developed by a Colonel T. Whelan. I believe, could be mistaken though.
I like 40SW, although I would agree the 40SW is a compromise against the 10MM, but I don't think the 357 Sig is. Companies like Underwood, Grizzly, and Buffalo Bore make 357 Sig rounds that have equal or only slightly less energy than hot 10mm loads, with 357 Sig having the advantage of being available in smaller lighter guns. Not sure why, but 10mm pistols are usually a lot thicker despite having the same case diameter as 40SW and 357 Sig. The SAAMI pressures for a 357 Sig (40,000) are actually higher than the 10mm (37,500). Add a holster and you are carrying a very thick mass. The bullets are also heavy. In most tests I've seen, the 357 Sig penetrates as deep as 10mm. The 357 Sig also has the advantage of a lighter recoil than even the 40SW, because of the lighter bullets. The only disadvantage of the 357 Sig is the cost of the ammo and the muzzle blast. My daily carry is a Sig P224 in 357 Sig. I strong-side carry without a holster. I use the 65 gr (maybe 68 gr depending where your reading) Underwood Extreme Defender. I've clocked that round at 2130 fps out of my P224 and over 2220 fps out of my P226. That's around 655 fpe and 711 fpe respectively. Underwood advertises their 10mm 115gr Extreme Defender at 738 fpe. The 357 Sig is a great round. I've been sometimes carrying a Springfield XDM Elite 3.8 in 10mm. I appendix carry that gun using a nylon holster that I cut down the back to fit the red dot. I can shoot that gun really well, but it's a chunk to carry, and I just don't really like single action semi-autos. I just bought a FN FNX pistol that I'll probably convert to 460 Rowland. I normally Mexican carry my DAO and DA/SA pistols. As big as the FN FNX is, it is more comfortable to carry down the front of my pants than any compact-sized 9mm with a holster. I always wear an open vest and it easily conceals the FN's giant grip. Yankee will probably accuse me of "compensating" for something, but I've seen too many videos of guys trading hits with 9MMs. People shot with AR15s usually just drop. I think power matters and 357 Sig, 10mm, and 460 Rowland are powerful semi-autos.
It's funny how you made a video about a year ago saying that 9mm is just a fad and .40 ain't going anywhere... The late James Yeager has all of you eating your words! 🤷♂️
I have a 9mm M&P full size and it's twin in.40 Cal, when I shoot them back to back I don't really notice a big difference in recoil like some people would have you believe.
I bought my XD40 in 2005 and love the way it shoots. But it was a compromise as 10mm guns and ammo had vanished... Finally got a 10mm that I have wanted for more than 30 years😁 So please, everyone buy one so they have to make more ammo and the price comes down!😉
The problem with 10mm isn't the guns chambered in it. It's the price of ammo. That's true of a number of otherwise excellent calibers. Ammunition is outrageous these days.
@@robertlawson698 I've been saying this too. Many of the manufacturers only load their 10mm to .40 specs. At that point, you really should just have a .40.
From what I've seen the 357 Sig outperforms the 9mm in every way. A couple less rounds but more velocity, more energy and flatter trajectory. Personally I can't stand the 9mm. It's adequate, but I think that the 327 Federal mag is a better round. It may be only a 32 caliber, but it has almost the same ballistics as the 357 mag as far as velocity and energy go. Same goes for the 357 Sig. I EDC a 45 but I agree with you that the 357 is the best all around cartridge. Plus you can plink and target shoot with 38s. A 9mm only has three common bullet weights and the cartridge dimensions has to be perfect for it to feed and eject reliably. That's true for any semi auto caliber. All of the 9mm or nothing fanboys really need to have an open mind and give a revolver a try. They might just like it. All of us old folks lived this long without a "high" capacity semi auto for a reason. One 357 mag bullet in the right place beats 17 rounds of 9mm in all of the wrong places.
Not narcing on 357/357 sig, 40, 45 at all. I don’t think a perp will know the difference. And if you look at the ft lbs difference between 9mm and the 40, you’re only looking at about a 60 ft lb difference and the 9mm makes up for it in capacity. You can look at average rounds used in shootings all you want. Get in an active shooter situation or someone high on meth and suddenly you maybe wishing you opted for more rounds. The most important factor besides shot placement, which most people tend to shoot 9mm more accurately, is penetration. 9mm and 40 are about dead even. 357/357 sig fair better and 45 ACP falls short. I’ll also note that 357 sig is prohibitively more expensive to train with for me. Now one thing to consider, and no one brings this up. 357/sig are waaaaay louder to shoot. Having to shoot an attacker while in a small room or even worse, while seated in your vehicle can mean the difference between permanent hearing loss with a 357/357 sig, or just having your ears ring all day with a 9 or 40. I’ve carried all calibers mentioned. For me it’s 9mm for the hoods and 10mm for the woods. For anyone doubting the 9mm Parabellum, talk to anyone who spent time in Africa. It is THE handgun caliber there and kills many people over there. Good and bad. When it’s all said and done, Carry what you want. As long as you’re using a good hollow point round, they will all do the job well as long as you can do your part to put the rounds in the pumps and pipes. If all the rounds above are meeting the FBI penetration standards and shot placement is the main factor, I prefer having more rounds and more controllable rounds to increase my odds of getting a good hit.
Everybody keeps saying the perp won't know the difference I seen videos were the person shot multiple times with 9mm and survive I also seen video of highway patrolman put a guy down with one shot center mass with 357 sig my problem with 9mm is hard barriers 40 and 357sig runs circles around 9mm if I have to shoot through doors multiple planes of glass to save my life I will always choose one of those rounds over the 9mm any day
@@blackice5363 anyone whose worked EMS can tell you they’ve seen 110 lb women get shot in the neck with a 45 ACP and still be calmly talking to technicians and other times see 250 lb men drop dead from a single shot from a 25 ACP. Knock down power is insignificant among handguns. You only start to see that means anything when you start talking about rifle calibers. Handgun rounds don’t cause permanent tissue damage from energy. 400 ft lbs to 700 ft lbs isn’t going to knock anyone off their feet. That’s only in movies. It’s only from bullets cutting through flesh and damaging a vital organ or artery or severing a spinal cord. Bullet diameter between a 40 and 9 once expanded doesn’t increase your odds much on hitting something vital. What does is shot placement and penetration for which 9, 40, and 357 all do well. 45 really lacks in penetration. Where this really effects 45s performance is when shooting through car doors. That’s why you rarely see police use 45 ACP anymore. That and the loss in capacity.
I look at .40 like .38 Special and 10mm is the .357mag of automatic handguns. Honestly if .40 is your weak option thats pretty awesome. The nice thing is .40 was available when nothing else was in the pandemic and just after.
I want to make one precision: The 357 Sig it’s a necked down 10mm NOT 40 S&W. It's taller than a 40, and it does match the ballistics of a 357 mag 125gr when properly loaded (or pretty close to it). The biggest problem with the 357 Sig is the misinformation about this cartridge and the manufacturers that have "downloaded" it therefore making it a reduced velocity round and that's where the misinformation comes from. The majority of gun people who falsly claim 357 Sig is only “slightly better” than 9mm deceptively do so by almost always comparing a +p+ 9mm to a reduced velocity 357Sig and then dishonestly bash the 357 Sig when, if they were knowledgeable or intelligent, they'd compare the reduced velocity 357 Sig to a reduced velocity 9mm or even a standard velocity 9mm. Underwood, Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, Cor-Bon and a few others load the 357 Sig to the velocities it was intended as well as SAAMI spec. But then their precious 9mm +p+ wouldn't be able to come close to the ballistics of the 357 Sig. The 357 Sig was also the only caliber that was available for purchase during the shortage because it never went out of stock. The 357 Sig never caught on because the 9mm cult is a literal race to the bottom cult for people who want the cheapest ammo & firearms. According to some of the "gun experts" the best 9mm round is the Federal HST 124gr +P and it's currently selling for 80 cents per round and Underwood 125 grain is selling for 1.04 per round...literally 20 cents per round more for a superior round with better performance and ballistics and 357 Sig is about the same price as a good quality 10mm, 357 mag, 44mag, 45acp etc, and yet people literally cry how expensive 357 Sig is? There's plenty of videos of actual police shootings where the perps live more than not being shot with 9mm unless they are mag dumped by the cops. The 9mm cult also believes stress and the stress of real "combat" shooting won't effect them and they'll do the “perfect shot placement”…C’mon!! The 357 Sig and 357 mag also have the best one shot stop record over every other caliber making the 357 Sig an obvious, or should be, choice for self defense. Personally I think 357 Sig will stay around (fortunately for us) and people will eventually find out it’s real potential as the best round available for SD.
Love both calibers, I actually carry a 357 sig a lot. A more dead round which I also have is 32 smith and Wesson. Factory ammo was like 60 bucks lol, just got to set dues to reload it.
During the plandemic/ammo shortage, I noticed that .40 S&W ammo was among the only calibers I could find...and that there was plenty of it! Then, once the ammo shortage subsided, I noticed that 40 was still plentiful in my area (and still is today). So I bought my first .40 caliber firearm (a Glock 22) so that if and when the next ammo shortage comes around (and there's *always* another ammo shortage in the future...we all know this), then I'll still be able to shoot recreationally. Personally, I'm glad 40 isn't terribly popular or en vogue these days...it means there's plenty of supply for the rest of us!
When Republicans are in office when you buy ammo buy twice and only shoot half. Put the other half in storage. Then ration and use your stockpile when dumbasses are in charge.
I’m glad .40 is in “hibernation” I can get all of the .40s$w I want lol I love my Ruger SR40C It’s not overly heavy but hefty enough to manage recoil GREAT CALIBRE!!!
Love my 40's I have a H&K VP40 and a XDM 3.8....... both are great guns, very nice shooters also the 40 has more knockdown power than the 9mm.nothing agains 9mm but i'll keep my 40's,you can keep your 9mm....Great video, the 40 isn't going anywhere....
I too have a VP40 converted to 357sig and love it. I've been carrying a sc 1911 .45acp for years but have recently started carrying the 357sig exclusively. This round is not only amazingly reliable it's extremely powerful and does what it's designed to do very well which is being a man stopper. IMHO there isn't much that compares in semi auto handguns. As for the cost how do you put a price on something that you count on saving your life!
Mid last year I bought a .40 Smith & Wesson SD40VE from a Marine who runs a bed n' breakfast in Florida. It was a factory new warranty replacement because something happened to the 9mm variant he had and they couldn't fix it or find a replacement for whatever reason. Because he didn't want it, the thing was posted on Gunbroker for $209 on accident. On the phone he told me it was supposed to be $299 but honored it anyway and just told me next time I'm in a restaurant and might ID some Marines then buy them a round of drinks. I would but don't get out much... and don't have mind reading capabilities. Not all vets wear clothing associated with their military branch but my eyes are peeled. ._.
I love 40 Smith & Wesson and 357 Sig currently packing around my model 32 by my side everyday Good2Go I will take either of those calibers over the 9 x 19 mm
I can say about the .357sig is that if you want more power then a 9mm but have smaller hands and want kinda close penetration to a 10mm, that caliber might be for you.
40 works really well for 3 things: barrier penetration, long distance handgun shooting, and carbines. In regular defensive shooting it doesn't have a significant advantage over 9mm in average shots to stop or one shot stops (see Greg Ellifritz's stopping power study.) However it performs better through intermediate barriers like drywall and automotive glass, it will still expand and penetrate effectively at least out to 100 yards from a handgun, and it doesn't suffer as much from the uncontrolled expansion of hollow points in a 16 in barrel as 9mm. The Hornaday Critical Duty round in 9mm makes up for many of these issues, though it sacrifices some degree of performance in regular defensive performance. If any of these three criteria are important to a given person then 40 is probably the better choice. I am of the opinion that for most people the 9mm is the best choice, but military and law enforcement would be better served with 40.
Law enforcement used the 40 because 9mm ammo was terrible; with repeated 'failures to stop' due to under-penetration and lack of expansion. The 40 was the answer until the new-gen 9mm ammunition and bullet designs meant officers and agencies didn't have to issue 9mm +P and +P+ ammo, pay more for it, and have training issues with recruits not always firearm-friendly or able to manage the recoil of the amped-up 9mm rounds. US Military likely won't go 40 ever due to NATO requirements, although their new rifle broke with the 5.56 and 7.62 standards, but then why don't they go 5.7 x 28 in a handgun instead if no longer worried about ammo interchange with NATO units?
I know it has gotten lonely on the LE side, but 357 Sig is the best round for LE agencies. Especially with lighter projectiles it is more manageable than a .40 for those small framed and/or less trained officers
Just think about it.... 40sw capacity is very close to 9mm and fitz in 9mm size guns. If it wasn't for the recoil of 40 sw and 40 sw being more expensive than 9 mm, 9mm would be obsolete.
@@nikos6220 40SW and 357 SIG had their Heyday, if I recall correctly, in the 2000s and early 2010s… they had displaced the 9 mm as the prime police round, but recently last 5 or so yrs, 9 mm is popular again
I carry both , great calibers in my opinion. They seem full a gap between the 9 and 10mm as well 45acp. My Glock G27 in 40 is a nice compact piece I enjoy shooting. Occasionally I swap the 357 Sig barrel for edc Hopefully they’ll stand the test of time Good video Thanks
Yankee Marshall, you are correct in your assessment today. Like you, I am a 357 Magnum guy and my auto loader is a SIG P239 in 357 SIG. We all know that the 10 MM was made for the FBI after the Miami shootout when their sissy 9mm and 38 snub nose revolvers failed to take out the suspects. But like you said, the FBI hires a lot of female agents and without height and weight requirements, small male agents. They could not shoot the 10 mm so the 40 was invented. I believe that the 9mm is all the rage due to all of law enforcement going back to it. It's still an inadequate cartridge due to the limits of velocity that can be produced. The 357 sig, I believe, is about as perfect self defense round you can get in an auto loader. It's in reality, a 9 mm magnum. It's a shame that it never caught on with LE and the only reason it did not is due to limp wristed officers complaining about a little recoil and also the cost of the bullets and, as we all know, auto loaders wear out faster with hot cartridges, so it basically comes down to money for police departments. I have always believed that police departments ought to let an officer carry, within reason, what ever gun he wants as long as he can qualify with it.
We heard the same thing about 38 special after the shoot out in Miami in ‘86 but it still hasn’t happened yet… it’s still a popular and viable round. 40 S&W will be here for years to come
When the 10mm came into existence, it was loaded much hotter than it is today. So why repopularize a 10mm loading today that offers barely more power than most current .40 S&W loads? The more caliber offerings the better as far as I’m concerned. I don’t follow trends.
I have both, but only carry them while hunting now. Because I have micro 9's and 357 snubbies. Those are too easy to carry in comparison to the artillery piece full size P320. 40 and 357 SIG are for duty-size guns. If we ever start carrying openly at work (could happen), then they'll get more play time. For now they warm the bench.
So, there might be an opportunity to pick up some .40s on the cheap? I picked up a police trade-in Beretta 96, the grips were crap, but the rest is sweet. I ordered a set of walnut grips from Beretta. Looks great; shoots great. I couldn't be happier.
The opportunity is definately there. Just picked up an H&K usp40 from a corrections officer for less than half of what it would cost new. Barely ran 100 through it.
As always everybody sounds better when they say nothing, it's nice to see the 10 mm make a comeback let's hope that it's not a death rattle or another way to put it is the hen must be the wisest creature of all creations at least she knows not to cackle until after the eggs are hatched just because I blinked doesn't mean I can't see after all my eyes opened right back up so what is all this fuss about in admiration of the 9 mm you still have to go plus p to get it to perform like a 40cal listening to this insight it's like watching a farmer panic because his crops aren't getting enough sunlight for growth when it's only been one day as far as the 357 sig as much as a screaming monster coming out of a barrel it still has its fan base it never became huge like the 40 Cal market wise look at the 38 super it's still around like the 357sig it does not have much options is it possible that NATO is making the big push by paying off someone from the FBI to push that 9 mm as the supreme choice because Europeans love wimpy rounds a lot of military people who have to carry a handgun are always saying they wish that they can go back to the 45acp or at least upgrade to the 40 caliber next thing will you tell everybody the 50 caliber is dead maybe some of us should ask the hen for wisdom
I have a .40 HiPower that I bought a .357 sig barrel for years ago. So I just ordered a 9mm barrel to replace them both. Also planning to get another 10mm in addition to the RIA I curently own.
Many of the 10mm loads out there are not loaded to 10mm specs. They don't put enough powder in them. In effect you are left with a more expensive .40. Yes, there are manufacturers that make the hotter 10mm rounds, but they are WAY more expensive and harder to find.
I just picked up factory loaded ammo that wasn’t special order for my 41 magnum at a local gun shop (small place). So yeah rounds die very slowly. Love the idea of 357 sig. Sad to see it being phased out.
I googled around and couldn't find a number for how many .40s have been sold since 1990 when they came out. It's gotta be somewhere around a kajillion. Certainly the installed base will keep .40 ammo available and innovative.
9 and 45 are my regular go-to's but I picked up a Sig P250 with 40 and 357 barrels for a song for the flexibility if/when ammo availability is ever an issue again.
My daily carry is a g32 love the round. I hear a lot of people complaining about the cost, but Defensive .357sig ammo is the same price as 9mm defense ammo the range ammo is slightly more expensive, but not by much.
For .357 sig, the +P+ 9 mm does offer low end .357 sig ballistics. The 40 has more recoil and does not kill so much better than the 9 is the thinking. The 10mm pistol has a different function than lesser loadings since people are carrying it for bear defense and HiPoint is now chambering out its blowback carbines series in 10mm. It is a more viable round for defense not only against goblins, but also feral hog and smaller bears. I am hesitant to put an optic on a 10 mm pistol and that is one vote against it. I am not sure if the recoil will tolerate it.
The issue is price, availability, not performance or popularity. The 9 mm is overwhelmingly popular because it is widely available and the cheapest centerfire pistol round.
Taurus just came out with the G3C (not the g2c) in 40 s&w it's not even on their site yet...I almost got the 40 version but it was $50 more than the 9mm version. If the shop would've gave it to me for the same price I would've got the 40. Plus I didn't want to be stuck with only 10 round mags so it was just better for me to go with the 9mm.
Only reason to worry about it is if you are familiar with say an M-9, So is Beretta making a 10mm 96? Plus a used 96 in .40 could be a good thing. Long as I could get above 89% One shot stopping power in whatever caliber. Compared to a 9mm firearm.
I just bought a Beretta 96a1. I still need to shoot a few more boxes of shells to get comfortable carrying it. Just my opinion, but I think the steel or aluminum frame guns are better suited for the .40S&W. These new hotness micro guns are a little lite to comfortably control the .40S&W recoil. For the outdoor personal protection I'd take a .40 over a 9mm, but indoors I'd take a 9mm. Just my thoughts.
I work at a gun store and public shooting range ( a large one ) i can tell you that we sell plenty of .40 guns and people shoot them daily on the range. its far from dead. if anything im seeing a comeback on the cartridge .. .357 not so much
I'm new to the .40 S&W. In the past 3 months, I've purchased a Beretta 96A1, Glock 22 Gen4, a CZ P09 and I have my eye on another, maybe an HK P30 model or Walther PPQ M2. My 40 CZ P09 is accurate as hell and is my EDC. 15 rounds in an outstanding pistol.
They are both excellent calibers. I have a carry SIG P-239-SAS in .40 with an extra .357 SIG barrel and each works just fine. Honestly, just choose either caliber and get on with life. I ended up selling the .357 SIG ammo to a friend and went with .40 due to availability issues with no regrets...
I still carry a .40 really don't care if it's a dead round or not it still does it's job and ammo is plenty full
I'm with yah I still carry mine and it's well alive. 15 rds of underwood defender ammo and sig vcrown
No such thing as a dead cartridge as far as I'm concerned. Just because it's not the most popular with the masses, doesn't mean it won't still get the job done, or that it's any less fun to shoot, unreliable, or less easy to handload. That in a nutshell sums up the 40 S&W and the 357 Sig in my book.
@@bustabass9025 What I call dead is something you can nolonger find. Such as .444 Marlin
It's not a dead round it's just his opinion the 40 round is a great round so is the 357 sig in my opinion better than 9mm
It ain't dead as long as some of us still buying it.. I rather be different than fit in with the rest of the world & get a weak azz 9mm 💀
I love my 40. Best part over the past 3 years was I never had a problem finding 40 ammo.
That's literally the reasoning behind why I want to get a 20 guage shotgun for bird hunting and such- I figure that, if there's an ammo shortage, I'll have some more shells I can buy before they run out opposed to if I get a 12 guage.
I know everywhere has 40 when everything else is out but i hate paying 30 bucks for target ammo. I can find speer gold dot for the same as practice ammo sometimes
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, meennnnnnnnnnnnnn.
Yep, during the shortage, I could find .40 and 10mm all day long.
You must not live in south FL .40 is by far the most popular caliber here
Love the .357 sig
No doubt!
It really does pop with speed
yep, a fantastic round! Have many a gun chambered in it!
Way better than 9mm no doubt.
I honestly think it’s misunderstood. If companies spoke of the .357 SIG and it’s benefits, it would explode.
I carry 357 sig as well as 40 smith and Wesson. 357 sig is just an awesome cartridge, I wish it were a little more affordable and easier to find
Its not easy to find because more people want it.
“The 40 S&W isn’t a good compromise round, it’s just a good round”
-Yankee Marshal from a few years back
The nice part about the lack of popularity for .40 is that used handguns chambered in it tend to be bargains. I picked up a LEO trade-in PX4 in .40 for less than $240 a couple years back. Runs like a top.
I came to the comments to say this exact thing. I just purchased a new in box MP 2.0 in .40 for $279.00.
It also makes the round more available during ammo shortages
Agreed. I was able to pick up a FNS 40 for $360. Eats everything I have ran in it. Note: this was brand new, not a trade in. I think this was about the time the 509 came out.
It sucks a little if you want to trade one in though. The gun store will take one off your hands but only pay you a Coke and a shooting range voucher.
@@Pharto_Stinkus Damn you!
( Grab a KKM 357sig barrel while you are at it)
Both of them have lasted longer than the .45 GAP.
That was another fine round. Shame it died off
I never understood the point of. 45 GAP
@@aaroniousairlines9087No one did, really.
@aaroniousairlines9087 my understanding is the grip on 45 acp glocks are like holding a 2x4. The GAP was made to reduce the grip size while keeping 45 fans happy.
What 45 fans should have really done is become 40 fans.
@@FoulPetIf Glock’s 45 GAP Full size magazines held more than 13 rounds of their 45 ACP model than maybe they would’ve convinced people. But the 45 GAP was trying to fix a problem that Glock caused with their bad ergonomics.
The .40 is possibly the perfect semi auto cartridge. Nothing against 10mm but the reason the .40 was created wasn't so much to do with 10mm recoil, it was 10mm SIZE, afterall the .40 load was a ballistic twin of the 10mm load they had chosen so if anything, the .40 would have had more recoil because the gun was smaller/lighter. That's the greatness about the .40 S&W, it fits in 9mm size guns, so even with 10mm resurgence (to a degree, it's still less popular than .40) there's still room for the .40 due to platform size. With .40 you get 9mm size and about 90% the power of a 10mm. Can't beat that.
I think the 10mm in a Glock 29 is the perfect “do it all” cartridge/gun combo. It can be downloaded to .40 S&W level for defensive use against 2 legged predators, or loaded heavy with some Buffalo Bore for defensive use against hairy things with teeth and claws in the woods. In a Glock 20 or one of the Springfield or even 1911 styles it makes a pretty good medium game hunting round. Recoil with hot 10mm loads is certainly more than .40, but everything has a trade off. 10mm is definitely a larger frame handgun and its harder to conceal. .40 will always work better than 9mm. If it was “better” than 9mm 10 years ago, its still better now unless all these advancements in bullet technology only apply to 9mm.
@@bennwj10mm is just watered down now tho other then Buffalo bore but i wouldn't recommend there ammo they have said
"Some of our loads do not have SAAMI standards" some gun companies won't own up to warranties if used Buffalo bore not sure how they know unless you tell them
Agreed, absolutely. The Federal 180 grain HST 40 S&W round is arguably THE BEST PERFORMING all around SD hollow-point round out there in any common auto caliber, short of a 10mm (and it performs VERY NEARLY as well in gel as the Sig Sauer 180 grain 10mm V-crown round...FROM A SMALLER, LIGHTER, MORE COMPACT GUN than a 10mm to boot). But, 40 S&W, HOWEVER, IN FMJ'S/HARDCAST ammo has INFERIOR PENETRATION to 9mm, .357 Sig and 10mm. So, 40S&W is potentially equal to 10mm for SELF DEFENSE, but 10mm AND EVEN 357 SIG is probably better for hunting and animal defense than .40S&W, sadly.
Well, not all 10mm is "watered down". There are still companies loading full power 10mm....Sig, Federal etc. Buffalo Bore isn't full power 10mm. It's ABOVE full power 10mm, but if you have a good gun (Glock, Springfield etc) it is more than safe to shoot. You WILL need to add a heavier recoil spring because the springs in a Glock are weak....the expect 99% of people who buy one on 10mm to shoot cheap, underpowered 10mm ammo, and the slide opens up before the bullet leaves the barrel. Velocities are all over the place. I put 24lb springs in both my Glocks and velocities spreads are great and they even function with (most) downloaded ammo. But like I said if you are shooting downloaded 10mm you should just be shooting 40. I now only carry my G29 in the woods. For daily carry its a G27 (40) or a G26 (9mm)@@johns3153
@@bennwj I've tested sig Vcrown and federal ammo 40s&w out performed 10mm i tested the 40s&w out of a ruger sr40c 3.5" barrel with stock recoil spring the 10mm was a buddy's glock with 4" barrel and everything stock but the trigger
Tennessee Highway Patrol still carry 357 SIG
Does the Secret Service still use it? I think it was the biggest LE agency that had 357 Sig.
@@Gieszkanneno they switched to 9mm years ago
I think some states still carry 357 sig..
I still like the 40S&W as a carry round. One thing that is not talked about much is how some manufacturers switch their frames of 9mm to stronger frames that can hand 40S&W or 9mm after a barrel change. 40S&W was beating the 9mm frame to dust when it came out.
I dont know about that the 9mm and 40cal in most guns today like m&p shield or glock use same frame
@@warrengreen3217 You can also Beretta 92A1/96A1 frames and Sig P frames to that list.
I heard 40s&w referred to as the habenaro pepper of the sub caliber rounds. The 40 is still too much for some people to hang on to. I love my xdm and the 40 s&w cartridge. It's a great caliber!
@@warrengreen3217I agree with @adamginther5331 about the frame strengthening and own an example of this concept: Browning HiPower in 40S&W.
After about 2k rounds, the original forged MKIII frames would warp even though the slide and recoil spring were beefed up to handle the 40. In 1993, FN began using harder cast frames in an effort to resolve this issue and to my knowledge, has no longer been an area of concern.
I'll credit the late Stephan A. Camp for putting all this in print in his "The Shooter's Guide to the Browning Hi Power".
S&W, Styer and H&K made pistols, designed from the ground up to shoot .40... There may be others, idk
S&W uses the .40 to retool down to 9mm. Glock, and many others, did it the other way round.
If you get a S&W M&P 9mm... It was designed to shoot the .40.
Most 10mm ammunition is loaded to .40 power
The .40 is my favorite caliber. I don't think it's going to disappear any time soon. It's a flat shooting hard-hitting round and very accurate. I don't find the recoil to be an issue, but I shoot quite a bit and can see how some folks might not be able to manage it. The ammo is cheaper than .45 or 357 Sig and there is plenty of it around.
Great video 👌
I happen to really like my Sig P229 in .357 …don’t really care what anyone else thinks.
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357 sig is definitely king despite not being very popular right now, in the future it will dominate
Hopefully
Proven by few other Gun channels on TH-cam; thst .357 special just pricey but is your life not worth few extra bucks ? (Love both rounds myself )
.357S is the absolute ideal EDC
the recoil is far more pleasant than .40 and it hits harder to boot
@zachhubbard8629 it will dominate because of its ballistics and capacity , it has the stopping power of larger calibers , the accuracy of lighter smaller rounds , and decent ammo capacity . What hand gun cartridge is a better mediator than 357 sig.
I dont think so. Nobody doubt that 357 SIg is better than 9mm. But the LE think that 9mm is good enough. By the way is the secret service still using 357 Sig or did they also change to 9mm?
I work in a gun shop in GA. Leading up to 2020, we had stopped buying or trading .40 S&W guns. We had so many that used 40's that they completely filled one of our showcases and no one wanted them. In early 2020 that began to change as new guns in any caliber were getting hard to find. We sold almost completely out of inventory. Things have somewhat returned to normal and the forty seems to be doing okay again. By far the number caliber gun we sell is 9mm though.
9mm and .45 ACP absolutely RULE! 10mm is in 3rd Place.
I agree with you and actually, a few years back I was looking for a 10mm and the sales person told me it was a dead caliber. Well, he was wrong. I also hope there are many knuckleheads like me, buying 357 Sig and 40 S&W because they're fun to shoot and effective as well! Love my P320 in 357 Sig and my P229 Equinox in 40!
Just bought a 357 sig x-change kit for my p320!! Love it!!
I still use my S&W 40 VE half frame as a daily carry. It's a snapping round but fun to shot and still a powerful round today.
The silly thing about 10mm is that many of the manufacturers don't load it to 10mm specs. They underload it to the point of literally being a .40, with longer brass and sell it for more money. At that point, what does 10mm bring to the table? Yeah, you can go hunt down 10mm loaded to spec, but that's even more money.
The way I see it is, stock up on .40 now while everyone is focused on other calibers. I found some pretty good deals recently and hopped on em. Spent about 80 bucks less for double what I bought last time. Honestly, I just like the way it feels. I have p320, so I just get whatever is more affordable at the time and swap uppers and mags based on that.
I didn't know they made a .40 p320
357 sig is a mean round probably best in my opinion. But I like the 40 Cal over 9mm
Not a big fan of the 9mm. I personally like the .45 & .357 magnum!! Nothing at all against the.40 it will certainly get the job done!!!!
The .40 will never die. I picked up a box at my local Scheels the other day cause it was so cheap.
Yep. So true. .380 auto, 9mm, 40 s&w, and 45 acp will never die. They litterally are the perfect semi auto rounds because they cross off every thing most people look for. I carry 45. My grandma has a 40 my brother and roommate shoot 9mm my dad carries a .38p
What you're missing is the resurgence of the .40 in competition guns because of the major power factor category..where the 9mm comes up short.
That seems to have come and went rather quickly. Most companies aren’t even making race guns or competition guns in 40 anymore
Dude.... they were using .40 for major 10+ years ago and even longer. That's not a resurgence. It never went anywhere!
The 357 Sig (note we don't use a period) will never die for the States Hwy. patrol agency's as it was specifically design for them. And for the same reasons the .357 magnum was design back in the day for the police dept's. It was specifically asked for to mimic the magnum but in an auto loader with more capacity. It is indeed a superb cartridge.
No it’s not.
Whatever you say, bud. 🤣
I think maybe the Hwy patrol uses the 357 Sig so much because it penetrates through car doors better than 40 or 9 and being as they do traffic stops almost exclusively and not domestic calls, etc. the 357 sig is the best round for their specific role. So in that respect I can’t disagree with their choice in duty round. But I think for most people, LE or civilian, there’s better rounds. Especially when you start thinking about cost to train and be proficient and also having to shoot from inside a closed space like a small room or inside your car. A 357 Sig would likely cause permanent hearing loss whereas a 9 or 40 would just make your ears ring for a day. I also know that many park rangers and game wardens carry 357 Sig as well to better deal with grizzlies and moose. For that situation I’ll take my 10mm Glock though.
Park Rangers near me Carry .357 sig.
So do the Game Wardens
@@domestictourist97domestictrollist..........
domestictool?
It's OK; we won't make fun of your little girl hands.
40 is still my favorite overall. When all things considered. (Cost, performance, capacity) love 357s and 10 of course. But they're both still a bit too high to practice a lot with. Hate that every new release now is 9mm only. With the occasional 10/45 release.
Idiots rule, huh bro?
I have 2 M&P 2.0s ( 5"Pro and 3.6 compact) 40sw.
Both have 357sig conversions, ( 5" KKM and can't remember the 3.6"make)
Anyway, I am pretty pissed that S&W didn't release a 40sw Shield Plus.
@@almaadams3631 lol aint that the truth
40 sw is the most balanced caliber, from 2 predators to wood defense that fit in 9mm size guns and nearly the same capacity as 9 mm, it also has that "knockdown" power of the 45 acp with the 200 grain 40sw.
@@almaadams3631 a shield plus in 40 would be sweet!
I was just shooting some .40 last weekend. it's a nice round.
Only 1 problem. The 357sig was not created because of 40cal or 10mm. 357sig thrived from 357mag. 10mm had nothing to do with 357sig.
I love my Beretta PX4 in 40 S&W ,the rotating barrel is a different animal in the gun world ,it carries 14 round + one
I have the same gun. It’s one of my favorites and is generally underrated.
@@DakotaDave17 I agree 💯
Man it is definitely a soft shooter!
@@patbrown463 Yes indeed
Same, and it has never jammed.
I made my go-to-war gun the .40 S&W back in the ammo shortages of the late "teens." .45 was too expensive and the shelves were FULL Of .40, so I figured it would be readily available from then on. It has been.
It also makes a heckuva boom!
And my .40 Sig P226 has saved my life once.
So I'm happy with it. PLUS, I can swap out the barrel and use that other round you're condemning!
Hah!
My prediction is as follows: If AWBs are good and truly dead (which they may be ... fingers crossed, knock wood and all that), .40 will slowly fade away. However if AWBs are upheld, as more and more blue states enact them and mag limits, you'll see .40 rise back up in popularity.
I got my first .40 back during the 94 ban and frankly the reason was "if I'm limited to 10 rounds, they might as well be more powerful rounds".
Good point. 9mm is popular since you can carry more rounds than any other caliber.
A think 9mm is the goto due to these tuff times 40sw 10mm 45acp and 357sig are priced very highly. I can find 9mm ammo in academy at 12-17 dollars a box and plenty of JHP selections. I can not say the same on 357sig.
That is SOOOO true! I worked at a gun store after HS in the early 90’s. We sold a buttload of .45 & .40’s after ‘94 & the Clinton ban took effect. Also, LE of all levels was packing .40’s then; ATF, FBI, many state HP/SP’s etc.
I have 9mm, 10mm and 40 S&W handguns. I like them all. The 40 S&W is a fine cartridge and as long as it shoots the commonly available 180 grain bullet that I reload, I'll keep shooting it. It's popularity doesn't figure into my use of it.
I started out with a .380 and a 9mm but due to ammo supply issues during the pandemic I have added viable carry gun options in .40 and .45, and I'll add a 10mm by the end of the year along with a couple revolves.
If you're going to get revolvers there's no reason to go 10mm imo, I'd go for a .357 mag instead, biggest advantage of a revolver is you can have much larger/powerful rounds bc they don't have to fit into a hand grip.
357s are beautiful
My M&P Shield in .40 S&W with a .357 Sig convertible barrel is my go to carry gun. I don't care if no one shoots it but me. I don't follow crowd when it comes to my firearms collection. The 9mm may be the caliber of choice for the masses, but it doesn't do a thing for me that I can't get a king sized dose of from my Shield configuration and those preferred calibers.
I've found a new Shield 2.0 in 40 locally for 375. Really considering picking it up. Just for the option of 3 in a carry size. Already have a 3.6" sub m&p40c with 9,40,357s barrels. The shield would just make it a bit more comfy. Mainly less weight.
@@J.Wick.
...go for it!
I love and will love my .40 cal all days long and twice on Sunday. Thanks god, I didn’t sell my .40 cal handguns.
Glock fanboy #1 here. Love 40 S&W, 357 SIG, and 9x19. All three calibers compliment each other; they do not negate one another. Great video. Oftentimes the popular choice is not the best choice.
I have them all 9,40,45,45 Gap, and 357 Sig. If I had to choose just one of them all no doubt the .40 S&W! Perfect compromise between them all.
Sad thing is there are as many new 357sig guns being made today as there are 45gap.
357sig and 40s&w are awesome out of a 10mm handgun using a conversion barrel. 9x25 dillon definitely needs to be resurrected.
Most of my 40s&w caliber handguns also have .357sig barrels. 357sig for defensive use, 40s&w for cheap practice.
9mm is popular now hence the new gun owners. The .40 S&W is still well in use across the board in the US of A, experienced handgunners prefer it for the stronger punch. It has a lot o the characteristics of its big brother, the 10mm. Love .357 SIG accept for the price. 😆 State troopers love it for its ability to shoot through glass and car doors. Hence the price!!!
I’ll give you one place they are still popular, rounds limited states! If I’m limited to 10 rounds here in CT, I’m packing the most of the biggest available rounds I can find.
Both cartridges will be manufactured for decades to come. While handgun choices, and factory loadings may be limited, if you are happy with the one (or more) you already own, they will continue to serve you as well as they ever did.
After that, their bore sizes are used by other, more popular cartridges, so bullets will be available and you can lay in a stock of cartridge cases. Handloading is a thing.
I would advise people using these, that if there is a particular defensive load you prefer for carry, stock up on it as it could be discontinued in the future.
I have a first gen, blued Colt Delta Elite from 1988, (safe queen). I remember when 10mm was supposed to be dead. Now I own 4 different 10mm's. I carry a 357Sig in my Sig P239 and I have the P229 in 357 Sig. I have stockpiles of every caliber I own, so I'm not worried. Would love to see more Dillon guns and ammo for sure!!!
The p239 is sweet. A p239 chambered in .357 SIG is even sweeter!!
Have both 10mm and 357sig. On the sig one thing not mentioned is, it's flat shooting capabilities over the 10mm. In bear country I carry the 10mm with 200 grainers. But it drops like a rock if needing a further shot.
Very True, but does Target acquisition at the range the drop off becomes significant.
Does shoot Flatter though that's for sure.
Just picked up a glock 23 in .40 and its a dream. Mags and ammo are cheap and available in piles. Its like i went back in time and i just always find what i need on the shelves.
I read a book that in it the author simply stated that any cartridge that has been adopted by the military can generally expect to have a very long life once it gets into the civilian market. One example the 30-06 , from which the .270 and the .243 were born.All are very popular cartridges that can be found in almost any deer hunting camp in the southern U.S. ,that is of course along with the various Nitro Express offerings, deer get pretty big down south and sometimes require, something a bit more, than your standard deer rifle cartridge.
Yeah sometimes all you really need is popularity in a certain region and your all set. A few years back I picked up a .35 Remington lever-action which I absolutely love. That round has been around for more than 100 years and is still a popular round for hunting in the dense forests of the Northeastern United States.
@@ericlilienfeld7273 yes sir , many years ago I was at a shooting range and a young man had a Thompson contender chambered in .35 Whelan. As he pulled the cartridge out to load it ,I said god damn, really that ? I knew that I was in for a ride. Kaboom, wow that was something else, amazing. I only mentioned this because, I believe that the .35 Whelan was a necked up .30-06 ,developed by a Colonel T. Whelan. I believe, could be mistaken though.
243 came from the 308 not the 30-06.
.40S&W is going nowhere.
For all those that think .40S&W is dead, they can send me all their .40S&W ammo for proper burial.
I like 40SW, although I would agree the 40SW is a compromise against the 10MM, but I don't think the 357 Sig is. Companies like Underwood, Grizzly, and Buffalo Bore make 357 Sig rounds that have equal or only slightly less energy than hot 10mm loads, with 357 Sig having the advantage of being available in smaller lighter guns. Not sure why, but 10mm pistols are usually a lot thicker despite having the same case diameter as 40SW and 357 Sig. The SAAMI pressures for a 357 Sig (40,000) are actually higher than the 10mm (37,500). Add a holster and you are carrying a very thick mass. The bullets are also heavy. In most tests I've seen, the 357 Sig penetrates as deep as 10mm. The 357 Sig also has the advantage of a lighter recoil than even the 40SW, because of the lighter bullets. The only disadvantage of the 357 Sig is the cost of the ammo and the muzzle blast.
My daily carry is a Sig P224 in 357 Sig. I strong-side carry without a holster. I use the 65 gr (maybe 68 gr depending where your reading) Underwood Extreme Defender. I've clocked that round at 2130 fps out of my P224 and over 2220 fps out of my P226. That's around 655 fpe and 711 fpe respectively. Underwood advertises their 10mm 115gr Extreme Defender at 738 fpe. The 357 Sig is a great round. I've been sometimes carrying a Springfield XDM Elite 3.8 in 10mm. I appendix carry that gun using a nylon holster that I cut down the back to fit the red dot. I can shoot that gun really well, but it's a chunk to carry, and I just don't really like single action semi-autos. I just bought a FN FNX pistol that I'll probably convert to 460 Rowland. I normally Mexican carry my DAO and DA/SA pistols. As big as the FN FNX is, it is more comfortable to carry down the front of my pants than any compact-sized 9mm with a holster. I always wear an open vest and it easily conceals the FN's giant grip.
Yankee will probably accuse me of "compensating" for something, but I've seen too many videos of guys trading hits with 9MMs. People shot with AR15s usually just drop. I think power matters and 357 Sig, 10mm, and 460 Rowland are powerful semi-autos.
It's funny how you made a video about a year ago saying that 9mm is just a fad and .40 ain't going anywhere... The late James Yeager has all of you eating your words! 🤷♂️
I have a 9mm M&P full size and it's twin in.40 Cal, when I shoot them back to back I don't really notice a big difference in recoil like some people would have you believe.
I bought my XD40 in 2005 and love the way it shoots. But it was a compromise as 10mm guns and ammo had vanished...
Finally got a 10mm that I have wanted for more than 30 years😁
So please, everyone buy one so they have to make more ammo and the price comes down!😉
The problem with 10mm isn't the guns chambered in it. It's the price of ammo. That's true of a number of otherwise excellent calibers. Ammunition is outrageous these days.
Another problem with 10mm ammo besides price,is much of it isn't any more powerful than.40.☹️
Everyone buy a 10mm so they have to make more ammo and bring down the crazy prices!!!
@@robertlawson698 I've been saying this too. Many of the manufacturers only load their 10mm to .40 specs. At that point, you really should just have a .40.
From what I've seen the 357 Sig outperforms the 9mm in every way. A couple less rounds but more velocity, more energy and flatter trajectory. Personally I can't stand the 9mm. It's adequate, but I think that the 327 Federal mag is a better round. It may be only a 32 caliber, but it has almost the same ballistics as the 357 mag as far as velocity and energy go. Same goes for the 357 Sig. I EDC a 45 but I agree with you that the 357 is the best all around cartridge. Plus you can plink and target shoot with 38s. A 9mm only has three common bullet weights and the cartridge dimensions has to be perfect for it to feed and eject reliably. That's true for any semi auto caliber. All of the 9mm or nothing fanboys really need to have an open mind and give a revolver a try. They might just like it. All of us old folks lived this long without a "high" capacity semi auto for a reason. One 357 mag bullet in the right place beats 17 rounds of 9mm in all of the wrong places.
A factory load will run circles around the hottest 9mm round even plus p 9mm ammo
Not narcing on 357/357 sig, 40, 45 at all. I don’t think a perp will know the difference. And if you look at the ft lbs difference between 9mm and the 40, you’re only looking at about a 60 ft lb difference and the 9mm makes up for it in capacity. You can look at average rounds used in shootings all you want. Get in an active shooter situation or someone high on meth and suddenly you maybe wishing you opted for more rounds. The most important factor besides shot placement, which most people tend to shoot 9mm more accurately, is penetration. 9mm and 40 are about dead even. 357/357 sig fair better and 45 ACP falls short. I’ll also note that 357 sig is prohibitively more expensive to train with for me. Now one thing to consider, and no one brings this up. 357/sig are waaaaay louder to shoot. Having to shoot an attacker while in a small room or even worse, while seated in your vehicle can mean the difference between permanent hearing loss with a 357/357 sig, or just having your ears ring all day with a 9 or 40. I’ve carried all calibers mentioned. For me it’s 9mm for the hoods and 10mm for the woods. For anyone doubting the 9mm Parabellum, talk to anyone who spent time in Africa. It is THE handgun caliber there and kills many people over there. Good and bad. When it’s all said and done, Carry what you want. As long as you’re using a good hollow point round, they will all do the job well as long as you can do your part to put the rounds in the pumps and pipes. If all the rounds above are meeting the FBI penetration standards and shot placement is the main factor, I prefer having more rounds and more controllable rounds to increase my odds of getting a good hit.
Everybody keeps saying the perp won't know the difference I seen videos were the person shot multiple times with 9mm and survive I also seen video of highway patrolman put a guy down with one shot center mass with 357 sig my problem with 9mm is hard barriers 40 and 357sig runs circles around 9mm if I have to shoot through doors multiple planes of glass to save my life I will always choose one of those rounds over the 9mm any day
@@blackice5363 anyone whose worked EMS can tell you they’ve seen 110 lb women get shot in the neck with a 45 ACP and still be calmly talking to technicians and other times see 250 lb men drop dead from a single shot from a 25 ACP. Knock down power is insignificant among handguns. You only start to see that means anything when you start talking about rifle calibers. Handgun rounds don’t cause permanent tissue damage from energy. 400 ft lbs to 700 ft lbs isn’t going to knock anyone off their feet. That’s only in movies. It’s only from bullets cutting through flesh and damaging a vital organ or artery or severing a spinal cord. Bullet diameter between a 40 and 9 once expanded doesn’t increase your odds much on hitting something vital. What does is shot placement and penetration for which 9, 40, and 357 all do well. 45 really lacks in penetration. Where this really effects 45s performance is when shooting through car doors. That’s why you rarely see police use 45 ACP anymore. That and the loss in capacity.
@@survivalguyfyi5718 I don't use 45 40 cal is my caliber plus with barrel swap 357 sig way better than 9mm
I look at .40 like .38 Special and 10mm is the .357mag of automatic handguns. Honestly if .40 is your weak option thats pretty awesome. The nice thing is .40 was available when nothing else was in the pandemic and just after.
I want to make one precision: The 357 Sig it’s a necked down 10mm NOT 40 S&W. It's taller than a 40, and it does match the ballistics of a 357 mag 125gr when properly loaded (or pretty close to it). The biggest problem with the 357 Sig is the misinformation about this cartridge and the manufacturers that have "downloaded" it therefore making it a reduced velocity round and that's where the misinformation comes from. The majority of gun people who falsly claim 357 Sig is only “slightly better” than 9mm deceptively do so by almost always comparing a +p+ 9mm to a reduced velocity 357Sig and then dishonestly bash the 357 Sig when, if they were knowledgeable or intelligent, they'd compare the reduced velocity 357 Sig to a reduced velocity 9mm or even a standard velocity 9mm. Underwood, Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, Cor-Bon and a few others load the 357 Sig to the velocities it was intended as well as SAAMI spec. But then their precious 9mm +p+ wouldn't be able to come close to the ballistics of the 357 Sig. The 357 Sig was also the only caliber that was available for purchase during the shortage because it never went out of stock. The 357 Sig never caught on because the 9mm cult is a literal race to the bottom cult for people who want the cheapest ammo & firearms. According to some of the "gun experts" the best 9mm round is the Federal HST 124gr +P and it's currently selling for 80 cents per round and Underwood 125 grain is selling for 1.04 per round...literally 20 cents per round more for a superior round with better performance and ballistics and 357 Sig is about the same price as a good quality 10mm, 357 mag, 44mag, 45acp etc, and yet people literally cry how expensive 357 Sig is? There's plenty of videos of actual police shootings where the perps live more than not being shot with 9mm unless they are mag dumped by the cops. The 9mm cult also believes stress and the stress of real "combat" shooting won't effect them and they'll do the “perfect shot placement”…C’mon!!
The 357 Sig and 357 mag also have the best one shot stop record over every other caliber making the 357 Sig an obvious, or should be, choice for self defense.
Personally I think 357 Sig will stay around (fortunately for us) and people will eventually find out it’s real potential as the best round available for SD.
Love both calibers, I actually carry a 357 sig a lot. A more dead round which I also have is 32 smith and Wesson. Factory ammo was like 60 bucks lol, just got to set dues to reload it.
During the plandemic/ammo shortage, I noticed that .40 S&W ammo was among the only calibers I could find...and that there was plenty of it! Then, once the ammo shortage subsided, I noticed that 40 was still plentiful in my area (and still is today). So I bought my first .40 caliber firearm (a Glock 22) so that if and when the next ammo shortage comes around (and there's *always* another ammo shortage in the future...we all know this), then I'll still be able to shoot recreationally. Personally, I'm glad 40 isn't terribly popular or en vogue these days...it means there's plenty of supply for the rest of us!
Yeah, there was a point where my .357 sig was cheaper and easier to find than 9mm early on in the pandemic.
When Republicans are in office when you buy ammo buy twice and only shoot half. Put the other half in storage. Then ration and use your stockpile when dumbasses are in charge.
Same thing with .32 acp
The Yankee Marshals mom LOVES both rounds at the same time
I never had any issues buying ammo for my .40.....if you own a 23 in gen3 you can shoot 9mm, .357sig and .40 with just a change of the barrels.
.40 is a great round, all matter of preference and opinion.
I’m glad .40 is in “hibernation”
I can get all of the .40s$w I want lol
I love my Ruger SR40C
It’s not overly heavy but hefty enough to manage recoil
GREAT CALIBRE!!!
Love my 40's I have a H&K VP40 and a XDM 3.8....... both are great guns, very nice shooters also the 40 has more knockdown power than the 9mm.nothing agains 9mm but i'll keep my 40's,you can keep your 9mm....Great video, the 40 isn't going anywhere....
I too have a VP40 converted to 357sig and love it. I've been carrying a sc 1911 .45acp for years but have recently started carrying the 357sig exclusively. This round is not only amazingly reliable it's extremely powerful and does what it's designed to do very well which is being a man stopper. IMHO there isn't much that compares in semi auto handguns. As for the cost how do you put a price on something that you count on saving your life!
Mid last year I bought a .40 Smith & Wesson SD40VE from a Marine who runs a bed n' breakfast in Florida. It was a factory new warranty replacement because something happened to the 9mm variant he had and they couldn't fix it or find a replacement for whatever reason. Because he didn't want it, the thing was posted on Gunbroker for $209 on accident. On the phone he told me it was supposed to be $299 but honored it anyway and just told me next time I'm in a restaurant and might ID some Marines then buy them a round of drinks.
I would but don't get out much... and don't have mind reading capabilities. Not all vets wear clothing associated with their military branch but my eyes are peeled. ._.
I love 40 Smith & Wesson and 357 Sig currently packing around my model 32 by my side everyday Good2Go I will take either of those calibers over the 9 x 19 mm
I'm not ditching my 40. It's shoots straight and hits hard. In fact, I might buy two.
Heck yeah brother! Long live the .40!
I can say about the .357sig is that if you want more power then a 9mm but have smaller hands and want kinda close penetration to a 10mm, that caliber might be for you.
Great point!
I have been waiting years for my favorite round the 10mm to come back. I am in heaven with all the 10mm choices.
I just wish more companies would load actual 10mm and not all of this watered down crap
40 works really well for 3 things: barrier penetration, long distance handgun shooting, and carbines. In regular defensive shooting it doesn't have a significant advantage over 9mm in average shots to stop or one shot stops (see Greg Ellifritz's stopping power study.) However it performs better through intermediate barriers like drywall and automotive glass, it will still expand and penetrate effectively at least out to 100 yards from a handgun, and it doesn't suffer as much from the uncontrolled expansion of hollow points in a 16 in barrel as 9mm. The Hornaday Critical Duty round in 9mm makes up for many of these issues, though it sacrifices some degree of performance in regular defensive performance. If any of these three criteria are important to a given person then 40 is probably the better choice. I am of the opinion that for most people the 9mm is the best choice, but military and law enforcement would be better served with 40.
Law enforcement used the 40 because 9mm ammo was terrible; with repeated 'failures to stop' due to under-penetration and lack of expansion. The 40 was the answer until the new-gen 9mm ammunition and bullet designs meant officers and agencies didn't have to issue 9mm +P and +P+ ammo, pay more for it, and have training issues with recruits not always firearm-friendly or able to manage the recoil of the amped-up 9mm rounds.
US Military likely won't go 40 ever due to NATO requirements, although their new rifle broke with the 5.56 and 7.62 standards, but then why don't they go 5.7 x 28 in a handgun instead if no longer worried about ammo interchange with NATO units?
Very well put OP, same to you Mark H.
I know it has gotten lonely on the LE side, but 357 Sig is the best round for LE agencies. Especially with lighter projectiles it is more manageable than a .40 for those small framed and/or less trained officers
Just think about it.... 40sw capacity is very close to 9mm and fitz in 9mm size guns. If it wasn't for the recoil of 40 sw and 40 sw being more expensive than 9 mm, 9mm would be obsolete.
@@nikos6220 40SW and 357 SIG had their Heyday, if I recall correctly, in the 2000s and early 2010s… they had displaced the 9 mm as the prime police round, but recently last 5 or so yrs, 9 mm is popular again
I carry both , great calibers in my opinion.
They seem full a gap between the 9 and 10mm as well 45acp.
My Glock G27 in 40 is a nice compact piece I enjoy shooting. Occasionally I swap the 357 Sig barrel for edc
Hopefully they’ll stand the test of time
Good video
Thanks
Hahaha! I bought a M&P 2.0 40 for 360.00 new 4 years ago and stuck a flat faced trigger in it. Awesome firearm ! Rides with me everyday.
Yankee Marshall, you are correct in your assessment today. Like you, I am a 357 Magnum guy and my auto loader is a SIG P239 in 357 SIG. We all know that the 10 MM was made for the FBI after the Miami shootout when their sissy 9mm and 38 snub nose revolvers failed to take out the suspects. But like you said, the FBI hires a lot of female agents and without height and weight requirements, small male agents. They could not shoot the 10 mm so the 40 was invented. I believe that the 9mm is all the rage due to all of law enforcement going back to it. It's still an inadequate cartridge due to the limits of velocity that can be produced. The 357 sig, I believe, is about as perfect self defense round you can get in an auto loader. It's in reality, a 9 mm magnum. It's a shame that it never caught on with LE and the only reason it did not is due to limp wristed officers complaining about a little recoil and also the cost of the bullets and, as we all know, auto loaders wear out faster with hot cartridges, so it basically comes down to money for police departments. I have always believed that police departments ought to let an officer carry, within reason, what ever gun he wants as long as he can qualify with it.
Carrying my uspc 40 right now with two spare mags, Kershaw knife and fenix light
We heard the same thing about 38 special after the shoot out in Miami in ‘86 but it still hasn’t happened yet… it’s still a popular and viable round. 40 S&W will be here for years to come
When the 10mm came into existence, it was loaded much hotter than it is today.
So why repopularize a 10mm loading today that offers barely more power than most current .40 S&W loads?
The more caliber offerings the better as far as I’m concerned.
I don’t follow trends.
I have both, but only carry them while hunting now. Because I have micro 9's and 357 snubbies. Those are too easy to carry in comparison to the artillery piece full size P320. 40 and 357 SIG are for duty-size guns. If we ever start carrying openly at work (could happen), then they'll get more play time. For now they warm the bench.
I love the 40 S&W for competition. I can load it to USPSA Major or Minor, it runs perfectly in my M&P 40 CORE.
So, there might be an opportunity to pick up some .40s on the cheap? I picked up a police trade-in Beretta 96, the grips were crap, but the rest is sweet. I ordered a set of walnut grips from Beretta. Looks great; shoots great. I couldn't be happier.
The opportunity is definately there. Just picked up an H&K usp40 from a corrections officer for less than half of what it would cost new. Barely ran 100 through it.
As always everybody sounds better when they say nothing, it's nice to see the 10 mm make a comeback let's hope that it's not a death rattle or another way to put it is the hen must be the wisest creature of all creations at least she knows not to cackle until after the eggs are hatched just because I blinked doesn't mean I can't see after all my eyes opened right back up so what is all this fuss about in admiration of the 9 mm you still have to go plus p to get it to perform like a 40cal listening to this insight it's like watching a farmer panic because his crops aren't getting enough sunlight for growth when it's only been one day as far as the 357 sig as much as a screaming monster coming out of a barrel it still has its fan base it never became huge like the 40 Cal market wise look at the 38 super it's still around like the 357sig it does not have much options is it possible that NATO is making the big push by paying off someone from the FBI to push that 9 mm as the supreme choice because Europeans love wimpy rounds a lot of military people who have to carry a handgun are always saying they wish that they can go back to the 45acp or at least upgrade to the 40 caliber next thing will you tell everybody the 50 caliber is dead maybe some of us should ask the hen for wisdom
I love .40 cal pistols because it's usually very easy to convert them to shoot 9mm, or .357 sig.
I still have a couple of guns in .38 super. Fun round. It, like everything else, comes and goes.
Same, I have and carry an RIA 1911 in 38 Super.
I have a .40 HiPower that I bought a .357 sig barrel for years ago. So I just ordered a 9mm barrel to replace them both. Also planning to get another 10mm in addition to the RIA I curently own.
I love .40, but I've been debating getting a 1911 in 10mm.
One of the best arguments for .40 I've found as of late is its use in the S&W 610. It makes it the 10mm "special" for that revolver.
Many of the 10mm loads out there are not loaded to 10mm specs. They don't put enough powder in them. In effect you are left with a more expensive .40. Yes, there are manufacturers that make the hotter 10mm rounds, but they are WAY more expensive and harder to find.
I just picked up factory loaded ammo that wasn’t special order for my 41 magnum at a local gun shop (small place). So yeah rounds die very slowly. Love the idea of 357 sig. Sad to see it being phased out.
I googled around and couldn't find a number for how many .40s have been sold since 1990 when they came out. It's gotta be somewhere around a kajillion. Certainly the installed base will keep .40 ammo available and innovative.
No chance 40 is 'dying'; it will still be around long after 357 Sig, 45 GAP, 30 SC, and 327 Fed Magnum are in the Museum of Bad Ideas.
If it wasn't for so many rappers always rapping about glock 40or 40's the 40 wouldn't be as popular
9 and 45 are my regular go-to's but I picked up a Sig P250 with 40 and 357 barrels for a song for the flexibility if/when ammo availability is ever an issue again.
My daily carry is a g32 love the round. I hear a lot of people complaining about the cost, but Defensive .357sig
ammo is the same price as 9mm defense ammo the range ammo is slightly more expensive, but not by much.
I carry 40 s&w everyday best round ever
Don't know if the "new" generation can handle 10 mm recoil, but I bet they can play video games better than most of us "old" folk
For .357 sig, the +P+ 9 mm does offer low end .357 sig ballistics.
The 40 has more recoil and does not kill so much better than the 9 is the thinking.
The 10mm pistol has a different function than lesser loadings since people are carrying it for bear defense and HiPoint is now chambering out its blowback carbines series in 10mm. It is a more viable round for defense not only against goblins, but also feral hog and smaller bears.
I am hesitant to put an optic on a 10 mm pistol and that is one vote against it. I am not sure if the recoil will tolerate it.
I'd like to see the 41mag come back!
.357 sig +p+ is the best compromise round in a glock 33
I set my P229 Emp Scorpion up in .40 & .357 to go along with 9. All 3 are fun to play. Let’m die…. More brass for me!
The issue is price, availability, not performance or popularity. The 9 mm is overwhelmingly popular because it is widely available and the cheapest centerfire pistol round.
The only calibers you need:
22LR, 9mm, 357, 556, 308, 12 gauge
Taurus just came out with the G3C (not the g2c) in 40 s&w it's not even on their site yet...I almost got the 40 version but it was $50 more than the 9mm version. If the shop would've gave it to me for the same price I would've got the 40. Plus I didn't want to be stuck with only 10 round mags so it was just better for me to go with the 9mm.
Only reason to worry about it is if you are familiar with say an M-9, So is Beretta making a 10mm 96? Plus a used 96 in .40 could be a good thing. Long as I could get above 89% One shot stopping power in whatever caliber. Compared to a 9mm firearm.
I just bought a Beretta 96a1. I still need to shoot a few more boxes of shells to get comfortable carrying it. Just my opinion, but I think the steel or aluminum frame guns are better suited for the .40S&W. These new hotness micro guns are a little lite to comfortably control the .40S&W recoil. For the outdoor personal protection I'd take a .40 over a 9mm, but indoors I'd take a 9mm. Just my thoughts.
I have one as well , i am a big Beretta fan and I hate plastic guns ! Except long guns I have several plastic stocked longs .
I work at a gun store and public shooting range ( a large one ) i can tell you that we sell plenty of .40 guns and people shoot them daily on the range. its far from dead. if anything im seeing a comeback on the cartridge .. .357 not so much
40 better not be dead. I just bought one!! 😂
Don't listen to that 40 caliber is the best all-around handgun
@@robertboyd8364 Oh I know that was kind of a tongue in cheek comment. I own a few pistols in .40 and love the caliber.
Nice! What did you get?
We won't see the end of .40 in our lifetime.
@@jasonroberts9357 I had an m&p full size and just picked up a G2C.
I'm new to the .40 S&W. In the past 3 months, I've purchased a Beretta 96A1, Glock 22 Gen4, a CZ P09 and I have my eye on another, maybe an HK P30 model or Walther PPQ M2. My 40 CZ P09 is accurate as hell and is my EDC. 15 rounds in an outstanding pistol.
you can shoot .40 out of a 10mm simular to a 38 special out of a 357 mag- so .40 has great use as a training round for a 10mm firearm
I own Sig P229, Sig P320, Glock 33 & Glock 32 in .357 Sig. Ammo is readily available on Ammoseek. Those are some of my favorite carry guns.
They are both excellent calibers. I have a carry SIG P-239-SAS in .40 with an extra .357 SIG barrel and each works just fine. Honestly, just choose
either caliber and get on with life. I ended up selling the .357 SIG ammo to a friend and went with .40 due to availability issues with no regrets...