Sheed and Bonzi Debate If Cade Cunningham Is Worth The Money
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 มิ.ย. 2024
- Sheed and Bonzi discuss whether it was worth it for Detroit to pay Cade Cunningham.
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Bonzie clearly doesn't understand how team building, salary cap, draft picks, etc. works. He clearly doesn't watch the pistons either. It's all good though.
You gotta be a pistons fan, and watch the games, to understand that paying him that money is valid! His only issue is health.
Facts! Cade is a future all star player. Man is the brightest part about the Pistons.
@@peace_of_mind_00he's not. Y'all don't win games and don't have the population to vote him in.
@@HewittShaqit’s so weird how obvious it is people don’t watch the pistons when they blame the losing on Cade. There was a stretch for like 15 games after the all star break where the pistons out scored their opponents when Cade was on the floor, the team was just getting fried when Cade went to the bench. It only took 6-7 minutes and the leads would be destroyed. He’s not perfect player yet but the loss column was truly out of his control often.
I'm from New York..and hell yeah he worth the money ..I like his game ..
It aint translated to wins since he been there.i think it's a bad idea.
How about the Pistons start getting some vets that can actually play. Like, you know at all.
IKR!!! That’s what I’m saying man! Gotta get some guys who know how to win, who are good leaders, who want more playing time…stuff like that, Can’t just keep adding more and more young guys who have never won in the NBA.
Any ideas?
@@Zoroaster1996 Go get Miles Bridges & Buddy Hield…try to bring back KCP. They’re all free agents. Make some offers. Try to trade the picks this year if you can. If you gotta draft, get some guys committed to team defense and offensive fundamentals. I just think more young guys and getting vets who are weak defenders is going to keep the bleeding going.
Either pay or turn into the early 2000s clippers and let ur rookie contracts walk
Trade him for like amen and 3rd
When they drafted Ausar I said Cade would later be traded for Amen, cuz the NBA wants to see what those bros can do together. It's not like the Morris bros though, even they did team up in Phoenix.
He didn’t make the players around him better. C’Mon Detroit
he literally spoon fed duren to be the player he is now.
I think that's more the coaches fault their system forces Cade to dribble, and dribble while going one on one, and playing pick and roll all game. They have no offensive system whatsoever at all it's a joke they all out there freestyling and they expect for the youngings to figure it ALL out themselves.
@@AllThingsKencap duren only average 3 more PPG with Cade play better with Ivey as PG
@@HakeemTheDream616cases too he the star player got to take accountability
@@Jamar-lg9ob learn to spell neega
Yall sleep. Cade is a dawg and deserves more than what they gonna give him. Team was trash and the org was trying to get #1 pick.
I watch a lot of pistons games when I tell you Cade can be really good for a long time in this league he’s that talented
6’7 can dribble past and shoot and has a natural feel for the game he just needs a better coach
He struggles dribbling & he's not a playmaker, and he's not very accurate shooting= he def isn't a franchise player
@@zerotolerance5019 yeah you literally don’t watch
@@zerotolerance5019 hater alert
Lol you can tell he definitely don't watch. Cades best attribute is his playmaking ability. It's his shooting that needs to improve. Way too inconsistent and he's gotta get the 3pt% to at least 35% for as many as he takes.
he need weapons. a sniper/defender and a lob threat/shot blocker. he gotta work on his shot and his turnovers. his defense is okay but he does hustle.
You keep Cade and Duren and you gotta move everyone else and the picks this year for quality vets. Period!
Trade cade keep Ivey asuar sasser duren
@@Jamar-lg9obyeah U sound dumb
@@Jamar-lg9ob What do you get for Cade? Not more picks? What or who or what & who would be a good haul for a Cade Trade? I don’t think anyone is going to give us an All Star for Cade. F?(€ draft picks cuz this draft sucks. Then you got the same messed up chemistry issues that led to our worst franchise record in history. In short, who do you get in a trade for Cade who just picks up Ivey, Ausar, Sasser, & Duren and takes this team from chicken $#¡+ & makes chicken salad???
Getting a pay day for losing. Thats wild. Morale? They paying this kid waaaay too much
NBA is a business. WNBA is a charity.
What are you going to do? Let him walk? He's gonna get a rookie max wherever he goes because starting point guards getting 23 and 8 don't grow on trees. Don't be foolish now.
@@ichirosuzuki2252I doubt he gets $225mil anywhere else, real shit
Nah he’s valid they got 5 real nba players
Watch the Team USA vs Team USA Select games and you see what Cade looks like surrounded by talent.
Since highschool who game Cade ever elavated?
He literally got Marvin Bagley bum ass paid spoon feeding him for half a season after we got him at the deadline
@@Jamar-lg9obwhen he ever had comparable talent?
@@Djturnt answering a question with a question
Exactly
Glad this podcast came on my feed one day, i really enjoy Sheed and Bonzi
Hey Sheed... What's in that cup my guy? 🤔
Seriously tho 🤣
Yak
Sheed drunk asl 😂😂
Everybody should ask 4 max to play with the pistons
Loved Sheed in that Detroit Pistons #36 jersey. Once he came aboard the sky was the limit. The last true TEAM in the NBA.
Sheed is lit on this one lol 🤣🤣🤣
Whats would motivate you to do better if you going to get the max anyway
Cade gotta go 28-8-6
That’s what he was doing
All the summer leagues and camps, he’s the most hardest person too guard 🤦♂️☺️
A lot of ppl not Detroit fans so you have no real perspective.. Cade definitely worth the money
He is a good player, but superstar money no. His stats are not translating to wins or the playoffs, Sheed and Bonz are pussyfooting around the fact that a lot of guys are getting a ton of dough for doing absolutely nothing. But that’s the NBA now where they love overpaying worthless players.
He ain’t got no nba talent going against stacked teams how he supposed to win. We gotta be realistic
Only problem is his health, but when he's on the court everything is different. Like Sheed said the situation ain't good but soon as it is good and they get some actual good players around him he's easily going to be leading that team. His numbers are great for a guy that basically only played 2 seasons, just imagine it when the team has good players around him.
Cade deserves it. His numbers would be WAAAY better with players that fit around him. He had no spacing and and kick out passes going to guys who couldnt shoot then he's guarding the other teams best perimeter player every night..
Tell Bonzi one love from SagNasty keep repping that mid west I always liked Bonzi game ain't know he was a real one tho 💯💯💯💯💯
If u can’t spot a real 1, then are u a real 1 ?..
Cade is getting the superstar treatment against every team they double him like crazy and he still get his.
Youngbul, Jawn, No Diddy all Philadelphia PA words FACTS
Whatever Sheed was on, give me some!
They have no choice but to pay an injury prone dude because ain't nobody signing as a free agent there.
That is a pedestrian numbers.
He plays for the Pedestrian Pistons
them averages... he drops 30 and 40 point games all the time.
@@AllThingsKen nobody takes y'all serious
@@HewittShaq of course
@@AllThingsKenthat’s a lie
Man he's worth every penny they offer him! The pistons have been tanking games, playing bad lineups and etc. You get that Man 2 more shooters, they got action!! Monty gotta get tf out the way too, let them boys play
Sheed you one of my favorite players of ALL TIME. But you have no insight here. If you watched some games you would know the man had no chance to win. They looked like a gleague team because they brought in about 15 gleague players due to injuries and incompetence from Monty
I need A job like Sheed
He's worth the money on a bad team
Facts
They play better with out him
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@miketdarnellhow can you tell?
NO!!!!
Yeah you can tell they don’t watch Pistons games (but I don’t blame them) but Cade does everything (Score, Rebound, and Assist) if he was only needed to score I’m sure 28 a night wouldn’t be a problem
What Vets are yall talking about? Guys they should overspend for like Jerami Grant? howd that go for Portland?
Im glad someone said this cuz there’s not a vet i can think of who can come save this team. Thats how young the league is. Maybe draymond tho
Playing with young players hasn't stopped SGA.....
Real shit
Or stopped younbull in Orlando
Young very productive players!! Magic and Okc rosters are way better built than Detroits
Facts my guy. I’m from Detroit and I’d rather watch those games. We need vets who ain’t scared to cut into our young guys
SGA was a lil throw in for a trade after his first 3 years in the league. Hes not a young dude and also the thunder have a team that fits well. The pistons have 5 guys on the court that can’t shoot or don’t shoot very well, and well you’ll have to take my word for it but Monty Williams is ASS
Sheed is my favorite human of all time. I remember being younger and he got traded to the Hawks, and it was a weird deal but they traded him to the Pistons. The rest was magic.
I was so disappointed when he got traded to the Hawks, then pumped when the whole Pistons deal came about soon after.
Sheed was Elite at Defense, Posting up, Mid Range, and 3 point shooting. In my opinion he's the best player you could have on your team. He makes everything come together because he did it all.
Are they afraid to tell him no go and look somewhere else we are not giving you that bag of money . Injury prone
Pistons win 23% of the time with Cade in the line up, 25% of the time when Cade is out of the line up. Cade has only been available to play 56% of the time. Why are they even considering a max deal??.
His HBO documentary of his time in Detroit is about to be crazy. Detroit better not be wasting that man’s hunger and clear will to become that leader Detroit needs. If healthy, this might be his year to turn a new lead and I could see why they’d pay that man what he’s worth🫰🏾🔥
Call him Cae, since he plays no D. Got no J either, but didn't have one in his name to begin with.
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You got to be talking about Jaden Ivey
It's not what he is now shooting it's what he will be in 4 years. The key is all these young players for Detroit have to continue getting better and getting better at shooting. It would be bad if they trade him and he maximizes his productivity for a different team.
I think the NBA contract rules on what allows a player to qualify for what is the problem. He definitely isn't worth the money so to me the bigger issue is what allowed him to qualify for that to begin with. To me he is a third best player. His #s look good outside percentages but he clearly isn't a force multiplier and like bonz said someone has to shoot it. To me he is a 100 mill player with potential to be worth more if he and the team improves and he can stay in top two player position. Now if he does become that 3rd guy and you start winning now that 100 mill looks like you probably get the same deal maybe 20 mill more if we talking third on a championship team.
Pistons shouldnt do that wait til next season
The problem with the Pistons is they drafted so many duds over the years. Hayes really set the team back. I agree that Cade hasn’t done enough to convince me he that dude.
As far as point guards in the league he may be too ten especially with his height. I think he could play for any team in the league if he can stay healthy and get better at shooting and stronger in the off season
Im paying that man he’s shown that he’s the truth!
Everyone always want star players to smaller market teams, once we get one and the first couple years not going as plan everyone say trade said star player. It never make sense. How about everyone put more pressure on FO to build better draft better scout better etc & let players develop
I respect Mr Wallace & his team greatly. They lost me my first hurtful bet. Some damn good ball. 😅
He got close to 25 this season (his second season).
If any team playing bad ball like the Pistons,why wouldn't the leading scorer have a bad fga being responsible for the majority of the offense. He's s point forward, he ain't looking to score first anyway.
Respect y'all
Cade with Houston was tuff
Its killing me too Sheed. All love for DEEEEEETROIT BALL 💯
The problem is their coaching Cade number's would be even better with a better roster, and better coach.
We need a good rim protector who can set picks and clog the paint
This is true and a center that can shoot three pointers. They are close on paper to turning it around.
This convo let's me know to not listen to Bonzi. Scoring 30 isn't going to do anything for Detroit. They have to build the team up
Name the players recently at that that point in their career. The numbers are comparable
Its sad what's been going down with the pistons bruh especially rooting for those early pistons teams . They need some leaders OGs up in there and a system instead of rucker park ball that wont cut it in the nba playoffs or regular season.... you will go to the bottom tier every single time .
Dude in red isnt a Piston fan or even watch the Pistons lol,talking out his ass about Cades numbers, the man can score but hes a pass first player who takes over when he has too, its not his fault the coaching and roster is horrible.
I gotta call you out on this one. Bonzi (I'm a fan)- How many full Detroit games did you watch last season? I would put my money on goose egg (0). You can't just pull up the stats and get how impactful a player is. Motor Cade is a monster. I could pull up some clips if you want to see them. One thing you hear about Cade from his teammates is how he's a leader beyond his years. Yes, he could easily put up 30/game if that was important to him although he gotta fix them turnovers but he's going to be a star in the league. Short sample: th-cam.com/video/tzGC-wHgGR4/w-d-xo.html. Sheed, I'm still pist at you. During your time a Piston, I felt I could have made the argument for you being one of the best if not the best player in the league at that time. You were unstoppable but selective. It was good when you got pissed off cause I know somebody was about to get cooked. You rock with Cade. You know who this cat is and he's going to lead a team to a championship one day. Deeeeetroit Basketbaaaaall! You know how we get down.
WTF ! Cunningham this guy gets it all. First round pick by default now max contract by default. Hell know I wouldn't pay this guy trade him. He's no franchise player
You are one of them people that be like Jalen Brown has no handles trade him, and 2 yrs later Jalen Brown is the GOAT lol.
Jayden Ivey is a dawg too! Monty held him back.
Pay that man. He’s the only consistent option, probably the only player on the scouting report lol.
Cade is definitely a franchise player who is growing and getting better. Didn’t like how they went the whole segment off Cade career stats but never really mentioning injuries or how he’s improved this past year. Didn’t like my man Sheed being drunk and can’t express real love for the Pistons he helped win a championship. No one mentioned all the injuries they had all year that led them have a horrible season. No one mentioned how franchises can turn around or the bad luck they’ve had in the draft the past couple years. Anyway Cade needs to work on TOs, I’m not big on Ivey (fast but can’t shoot), I miss Bogi and should have got more. I see them on a Orlando Magic level of a team that has potential
Talking must be hard for wallace
C’mon Sheed! How you gonna say it wasn’t Monte’s fault? That cat literally benched Ivey for Hayes! Are you kidding me?
Where's the episode
I mean 25% of the games he played and they won is better than our record this year 😂
He that guy. Bring that down to a 4year 150m$
Bonzi CLEARLY don’t watch Pistons games seeing Cade gets doubled OFTEN that’s his #s/% look like that & our team 😪
Cade is cool. He's a good #2. Better off drafting him before the #1 best player on the team since it's easier because they'll have a worse record
He's too big to not eat protein, he's beyond vegan and nobody wants to admit his bones are weak that's why he's always hurt.
We should've pick diggs instead
Diggs?
Cade is like a portor jr? The disrespect is insane from former Pistons legend too 😭
Bonzi legit hasnt seen cade play.
Bonzy is not watching this team. Talking about how many points he scores when he is the only play that has to be guarded if Jalen Duren is not on the court. If we had actual other scorers he would probably score more.
They are banking on Cade's shot being developed by their new coaching staff.
I think you guys are underestimating the magnitude of Cade's talent He's a Luka-lite, (with better defense) mixed w/ SGA. Jumper does still need work, but he's still growing. You're right, he's not a number one right now, but he can be an ELITE #2 in a quality team situation.
Luka plays better defense than Cade, and Luka is an elite rebounder, while Cade is nothing special. And even if Luka's threes aren't falling, he makes his twos on a high clip. Cade does not. I don't see the Luka lite in Cade.
@@penkima4923 Luka is not a better defender than Cade. The rare times Luka is actually locked in defensively, they MIGHT be equals as Luka's strengths advantage may offset Cade's quickness advantage. Luka is the better better rebounder, and scorer from all three levels which is why I considered Cade a SGA/Luka-lite hybrid. Cade's CEILING is Luka/SGA, but obviously right now he's two steps below both.
Zero shooting in Detroit.. no floor spacing, no vets.. Cade is a 25ppg 7ast 5reb on a good team... Pay him and trade for a vet or two that can shoot..
Cade gets no calls
I like to see him with AD in detroit
being number 1 option averaging 23 does not look good for the money
Sheed gets the slur and things start getting real
If you're the only good scorer on a team then it's all eyes on you. He didn't even shoot that bad this last year. He shot like league average with no help. If Detroit can get their shit together and his efficiency goes up, he'll be an all star level player
yes pay cade
Sheed high af 😆
They could've got somebody like miles bridges who imo is better for like 30 mil a year. And not pay cade the 45 mil that he definitely is not worth.
Cade is nice, he just can't stay healthy
Idk I like cade, he is good, can he be the man? He is, but with the state of the team, when he gets healthy there is no others option, and he will play lights out and possibly get injured again, vicious cycle man tough decisions
Mpj compared to Cade cut it out 😂😂
He doesn't deserve it. In that draft class ,only Scottie Barnes deserves a max contract. After that,there's no max player in the draft class. 160 is well deserved for Cade,Jalen, and Mobley
Detroit is coming in 2 years , if they have the money then why not ? They traded all the big contracts
Cade missed a while season so them numbers are not telling the whole story. He's missed like 30 games without that whole season from prevention surgery
Cade is double teamed every game
Hell no! They just throw money at these kids for half-ass performances. You don't even have to be close to great anymore.
I would like to see the Clippers get Cade n LaMelo without Kawhi n PG
Sheedy SO stoned....😊
If the team hit does passes cade makes. Cade was always getting doubled and triple teamed. No one els is hitting shots.
They definitely don’t watch the pistons play. Bad take on cade
A HEALTHY CADE CUNNINGHAM HAS NBA 🏀 SUPERSTAR POTENTIAL ..