Fate/stay night (Heaven's Feel): The Final Battle - Emiya Shirou vs Kotomine Kirei
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ส.ค. 2024
- From the English translated version of the Fate/stay night Heaven's Feel (Realta Nua version) visual novel. Emiya Shirou vs Kotomine Kirei, the final battle that takes place in Heaven's Feel which is the third and final route of Fate/stay night. Two broken men put their lives on the line. The amazing dialogue, the music, the fight itself as well as Illyasviel's scene - it's awesome.
Rejoice, Emiya Shirou.
Chapters from Day 16 covered in this video: All evils of the world - All the good in this life - At the end of a miracle (yes, True End)
Songs played (in order): THIS ILLUSION (piano ver.) - All Evil of the World - In the Name of God - Emiya - Light and Darkness - Ever-present Feeling - Light and Darkness - THIS ILLUSION (piano ver.) - Die Lorelei - เกม
I like how Shirou takes only two-three tries to recall Kotomine's name, while he is having difficulty recalling Illya's...truly, the Kirei route
You mean 1 try?
@@r.k845 no...I also added the white boxes in Shirou's monologues to the try...if I am not wrong, they were also referring to kirei
@@tacticalwizard6358 oh.
I genuflect
@@tacticalwizard6358 you added? you made translation?
@@dragonknight4982 no...I meant that in my calculations of the number of attempts he took in recalling his name, I included the white boxes referring to Kirei
My favorite part about this fight is the fact that Shirou likes Kotomine Kirei. Unlike Kiritsugu who couldn't understand Kirei at all, Shirou is also empty like Kirei.
In this route Shirou finally accepts the distortion in his heart.The fact he was empty and tried to fill his empty soul with borrowed ideals and dreams. In the other two routes he decides that's fine,even with Archer being living testament that his way of leads nowhere good.
The difference between Shirou/Kirei and Kiritsugu is that Kiritsugu had some humanity in him regardless of what he claimed. That's why he strives so hard to get the Grail and create his ideal world. He's not empty,he's just slightly broken and cynical but still has the childish desire of a world of peace deep inside. Kirei thus ends dissapointed when he realizes this. But in F/SN he ironically found what he was looking in the son of Kiritsugu.
LeonGun8 How is world peace childish, that's a desire every good human should have, it might be nigh impossible, but at least we can make it better. Saying it's childish is being edgy and actual childish on top of being nonsensically inhuman.
Yuwan The Childish one is the Superhero dream technically. The World Peace is more naive thing, not childish, something *nearly* everyone wants in the bottom of their hearts but know that it is impossible.
The cool part about this is; Shirou is actually better off like that. As Archer and UBW proved; his ideals and distorted way of life would only lead him down a path of ruin (which arguably wouldn't be as bad if Rin helped out and stayed by his side) and eventually whether he regretted it or not his life would be horrible. Meanwhile in HF he had to give up his ideals (which was excruciatingly hard for him to do), but in the long term he was better off like that, since rather than being burdened with an impossible dream for the rest of his life he was "freed" from Kiritsugu's impossible ideals and instead got to live a happy life with the girl he loved, her sister and Rider. Fate and UBW Shirou were too damaged to pursue their own happiness and accepted the misery and suffering that their choices would bring them. Meanwhile HF Shirou was forced to abandon that path and as a result he was more or less "forced into having a happy life". It's almost like how a parent forces a child into a choice that's best for them. HF might've been darker than the 2 routes that came before it, but in exchange it was also the one route in which Shirou could and would be "saved".
Ohtori Sakuya Shirou lost his body he can't have sex or procreate. He's way more broken now.
"We only have a few minutes left to live. Let's chat about the nature of good and evil for a while."
BenkaiDebussy sounds like a plan after that want to brawl to the literal death lol
Yeah. Nasu handled this part quite bad.
That's like the coolest thing to do before death, how is it badly-handled?
fate stay night created a physolofical system in a fucking game lmao this is art
@@catsukisubaru3715 Sorry, a few months have passed and I can understand what Archer feels now :))
Kirei: Proceed to beat the shit out of Shirou
*Emiya theme fires up*
Kirei: Proceed to beat the shit out of Shirou.
*Light and Darkness fires up*
Kirei: Proceed to beat the shit out of Shirou
Kirei is that much of a menace
Emiya not cooking up with his own bgm is outrageous
That moment when you realize that the final battle of a magical battle royale story between mythical and historical heroes involves a straight up, manly fist fight between two "normal" humans.
I'm not sure if you can call Kotomine Kirei a "normal" human after the fourth holy grail war. xD
but so isn't Emiya. But by the time of the fight, they are pretty normal, albeit half-dead.
None of them are normal humans
Normal as in one really strong priest versus a guy with swords growing out of his body.
The Maestro A guy who has swords growing out from his body is normal?
"My face hasn't turned into swords yet"
I love that line so much
But the movie just went 🤜😠
@@kalphadraige8229the movie sucks
Hundred of blades are growing out of my body.
An inescapable death by skewering.
I am the bone of my sword.
But I already knew that.
The swords keep him alive, replacing the dead body parts and connects the broken joints, also killing him at the same time.
Steel is my body.
@@audsunheatpumpgroup9812 His mind is being lost, and its burning him alive inside his own skin.
Fire is my blood.
@@Parelf His body is a forge, creating countless blades to repair and sustain itself.
I have created over a thousand blades.
@@goaliemaniac21 He trudges onward, chasing his dreams without recognition or fame but it matters not to him.
Unkown to Death, Nor Known to Life
@@looktotheleft1798 What is left to him is his only duty, the duty to protect her smile.
Have withstood pain to create many weapons.
"I like Kotomine Kirei" This is why Heaven's Feel is Kirei's route.
Kirei is best girl.
Kirei best grill. Mapo Tofu!
This comment made my day xD
HF is Sakura's route, its also Illya's route, and Kotomine's route, and Rin's route.
@@aruakise9803 Damn, this route has a lot of heroines!
"As my body is destroyed, swords are created trying to keep it alive."
I'll be SO missing Shirou's inner thoughts during the final movie x.x
They are what make the Visual Novel so great.
I watched the movie yesterday... holy shit. Never got to read the vns but still
@@giavanteevans4723 Sadly, those of us living in the UK were denied the chance of watching this one on the big screen.
I can only imagine how the experience must've been.
@@giavanteevans4723 Shirou projects excalibur morgan to destroy the grail in the movie? Just before Illya came to save him.
@@angelcortes3485 Nope. She just does it haha.
This man's got Clairoyance Skill EX
*Just a normal year of a High School Student of Emiya Shirou.*
Sakura “uhhh senpai caught a bad flu while on summer camp with us he’ll recover in a few months time...”
@@sephelutis the "body literally infested with blade" syndrome
Just a normal local priest who does not like the abort.
@@trongnghiale7829 he was caught in the gas leak
Yeah luckily he got out safely
HF TL;DR: Shirou get's sakura pregnant and wants to do an abortion, local priest gets in his way.
+phenompy and they fight to Death to decide whether or not the child to be aborted
+phenompy dude wtf u talking about
and "get's"?
plz
So America in a nutshell.
+Thinh Vo except not as badass
Simon Bourdin Zouken provided the "egg" and Shirou provided the sperm aka magical energy to feed the egg and keep it going.
Two fathers, one mother.
Ew
"You said an older brother protects his little sister, right? I'm the older sister. So I have to protect my little brother." That scene will be godly in the anime movie.
Isn't it sad that they skipped her German song and family bonding that 2nd movie? Btw Go Go Zeppeli
Damn, it felt like I lost my own sister. It was more tragic than Anakin's death in the return of the jedi when he said you've already saved me Luke. 😥😭
@@iarocksv3825 they will include that in the 3rd movie
I hope
I've come frrom the future. It's an even bigger tear jerker because they added a little extra scene
The Unknown User where do you watch the movie ahhhhh is there some kind of secret pirating website.
"I don't want to admit it. But it seems... I like Kotomine Kirei."
Finally KIREI becomes the main heroine on this Movie
Except he doesn't say that line in the movie R.I.P.
Timestamp please!! It's been sometime since I played the VN
The problem is, Kirei is half right.
Angra Maniya is not evil, just incapable of feeling anything but hate (and for good reason).
TheHappy_P0tat0
To quote another comment, Kirei is apparently evil because he's anti-abortion.
ES21007 But Angra Mainyu's main purpose is still to destroy the world, so if he is born, that is the most likely outcome
Vapor Indeed but he's still not technically evil.
TheHappy_P0tat0 Well, that part is true
Kirie himself isn't really that evil a character, he is just following a different interpretation of morality from Shirou, which is why Shirou himself says he doesn't hate Kirie and actually rather likes him, he just can never agree with him.
What i loved about this fight is that Shirou starts punching Kirei the moment he realizes something.
He isn't empty anymore, what made him similar to Kirei isn't there, Shirou has something that is worth fighting for, love, wanting to protect someone you love, something more tangible than being a hero of justice.
Exactly, that's why Shirou changes his mind on Kirei pretty quickly after he reflects on their similarities.
I love the irony of him fighting to stop Angra Mainyu from being born only after he cast his ideals of heroism aside. He only gets to be the big damn hero in the route he decides to simply be a hero to the people he cares for.
very well put
@@Ilias2 that's why Oath Under Snow isn't a complete rehash as that version of Shirou has given up on the world completely going as far as wishing the person he's saving to another dimension while HF Shirou is still fighitng for a world in which he can be with Sakura.
-manly brawl between Chinese martial art user priest and sword porcupine
-best sibling sacrifice scene
truly All the good in this life
that's what it takes to defeat all the evils of the world
24:25 is single best part of the whole VN, I swear to god.
I need to know the name of that song.
Light and Darkness@@redthief4623
@@kledif1067 thanks so much!
The flashback before that moment was the best for me
Agreed
"I keep doing it in spite of the pain, because people can't live without oxygen" Well at least he knows that people die if they are killed.
He didn't die when he was killed though
@@Carsu12 Just because you're correct, doesn't make you right.
Lmao
Where did they say the oxygen part?
Still bummed that they didn't include "I like kotomine kirei", biggest sin of the whole trilogy
Not more than Die Lorelai but pretty high up there
I mean they tried to convey it visually through Shirou’s expressions, which is what they should do when adapting things to a visual medium. They could have done more and I probably wouldn’t have complained if they had left the line in, but they tried to communicate it in other ways which is the point of an adaptation.
@@LongSinceDead1 you can tell on his face he’s thinking it, but they should have had him say it, it’s not like they’ve never had shirou think to himself in the films he just doesn’t do it very often
@@LongSinceDead1 Honestly, that was enough. He pretty much showed it and smiled. Odd how failures want everything in.
I was hoping for "I want to know if it is a crime to live as you are when you are different than others." but oh well. Though it wasn't perfect, I do admit to liking what we got.
This is one of my favorite fights in all of fiction. It’s a shame ufotable treated it as an afterthought instead of a main event.
"Things won't go conveniently right for me!"
Things end up going conveniently right for him.
Oh, Shirou.
Well to be fair Kirei did state he was about to drop dead, and it would essentially come down to who would be alive the longest lol. But still love that delicious irony.
+jamal munir Well yeah, even if things went convinently for Shirou it was very well explained why Kotomine died before Shirou. Also i like the Normal Ending more than the True ending.
***** eeehhhmmm If Shirou would have tried to do a projection Kirei would have killed him. Even Shirou states that. For this Shirou making a projection takes some time and in that time Kirei could have landed a fatal blow to him.
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i know when i meant a fatal blow i meant a blow directly to his head, as Shirou said his head had not turned into swords yet so he had to protect it, starting a projection meant to leave his head un-guarded meaning that kirei could crush it easily, even in that state Kirei fought really well with his chinese martial arts. All of Kirei blows were fatal they did not kill Shirou because of his body and because he was guarding his head. So you need to be the one reading the fight again, not me n.n
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Bro i am talking to you in story facts. Kirei is a fucking expert in close combat. Kirei closed to Shirou at a great speed as Shirou said "he charged at me at a great speed, i dont have that strengh in my legs so i launched a punch which he easily evaded" with that you can say that Kotomine is being really fast for Shirou to counter attack. Yes Shirou projected in the battle with Heracles but that was the 1st projection. Of course he only had 1 projection left but SHIROU said "i cant do a projection, i need time to concentrate and he will crush my head in that time so i cant do projections" SHIROU acknowledged that he cant do a projection against him even if he had spare projections because Kirei will not let him at all. Of course if Shirou does a projection he can kill Kotomine if HIM gives Shirou a chance. Kirei is a fucking executor a FUCKING MAGUS KILLER. Kirei is many times stronger than Shirou even in the verge of dying.Shirou was capable to fight with Kirei because of the condition his body was in otherwise Kirei would have killed him with the 2 attacks landed on Shirou at the start of the battle.
I remember when I did it, all the things I felt. That fight was just powerful. Kirei and Shirou's determination were so beautiful.
"I like Kotomine Kirei."
Did your heart skip a beat or something?
Shouldn't you be preaching about our lord and savior Daybit?
@@creamcheese001 Hell yeah, ship totally sailing now
19:57
And… the movie adaptation literally has a scene where Kotomine and Shirou punch each other in the face. I know they’re limited on how detailed the adaption can be - but goddamn. Not only does it make the fight inconsistent - but it literally goes against what Shirou was attending to do
BASED. Ufo could've made this scene so much better yet didn't. There's a reason why people find films like Rocky's last fight so touching.
It's not just about Shirou throwing a good punch to Kirei's handsome face. Instead it should had been about what motivates Shirou, what he stands for, why he won't give in despite both extreme physical and mental wear-out during the fight.
I mean sure we acknowledge Shirou's motive, but I hoped Ufo to SHOW US NOT TELL US, especially in this scene.
@@reftu7856 Ufo and their classic “don’t show, don’t tell”
Its such a shame so many people wont read the VN and miss out on epic moments like these because "mUh iM nOt G0nNa rEaD 100 hOuRs Of hEnTaI" even though the H Scenes are explained albeit not well written and are less then a fraction of the game give or take.
bro idk where to download the VNs, or HOW.
@@d0d0b1rd Search up FSN VN Nasu version and you will find it I bet
i saw the movies and they damn good. i dont think ill be reading the VN any time soon
@@doggerlander I just played the Fate HA VN, and it's really good. Also the movies and anime can't fit all the content from the VNs in them(VNs are like 60 hrs, and the movies are only 2 hours... A lot of content gone).
@@d0d0b1rd bro just watch it on TH-cam. Look up Heaven’s Feel full route.
That whole dialogue before the fight made Kotomine my favorite character
The Heaven's Feel route and Fate/Zero made Kirei one of my all time favorite villains/antagonists
@@LongSinceDead1 Yeah, Kirei is on another level, and not much people talk about him...
@@carlosdanielcalderonmontoy3723 only cause gilgamesh but even him is truly intriged about kotomine, he is indeed the best waifu in fate Sn
@@zaintg2881 I agree, Kirei besto waifu🤣
@@LongSinceDead1 I already thought Kotomine was an enjoyable character since the end of Fate, but I just saw him as a common antagonist and nothing else. I didn't think much of him, Heaven's Feel just changed everything I thought I knew about him, when Kirei spoke to Shirou at times I would think "Wait... is it just me or are these two acting like friends!?". Then Day 15 came and he had so many great moments. But this fight had to be the final nail in the coffin, I never expected Fate/Stay Night would leave a mark on me after finishing it but I can assure Kotomine is 60% responsible for that. I literally have Kotomine Kirei brain rot ever since I read this fight.
Shirou vs kirei: Battle of equals.
Shirou vs Gilgamesh: Battle of opposites
Best two routes.
Shirou and Gilgamesh are true opposites
The first hero (Gilgamesh) and the last hero (Shirou)
One egoistic
One altruistic
Other battle of opposites is Shirou (Fate route, blinded by his ideals) vs Kotomine.
@@ApoloAbel Shirou in Fate is not blinded by his ideals. He finds another way to avoid becoming Archer
@@ApoloAbel You know nothing about Fate route lol.
@Deepak Goswami Not necessarily 'Archer' but something along the line, yep.
Kirei is like king bradley, nobody can kill him until the very end, and even in the verge of death he can put a good fight.
I mean he does get killed pretty hard in Fate and UBW. But I get the idea. He stays alive even after giving Zouken/Assasin/Sakura and almost kills Shirou
@@atpr3241 UBW Kirei worst Kirei
The biggest problems in the anime adaptation of Heavens Feel were in fact, the immense numbers of cut monologues that were essential for the development of the story and Shirou character, poor Illya basically excluded from the story and important facts omitted, all in favor of unnecessarily long battles and an exaggerated focus on Sakura and her Fanservice, but that's okay because I was looking forward to this masterpiece scene and I felt in my heart that they were not going to be able to ruin it ... I just say one thing: disappointment, they ruined everything that this scene develops; Shirou realizing how his ideals are distorted and equal to Kirei and admitting that he liked him, how Shirou and Kirei are exactly the same, but still opposites, the orgasmic Shirou scream and etc ... at least Illya's sacrifice was beautiful like in the VN, even so it is not enough to forgive how much she was excluded from the other films, after all this was to be the route of Sakura and ILLYA, the movie is so fucking shallow
(And before someone comes up with the same fallacy as always: "Ah but you are an elitist/hardcore", "ah but it is impossible to adapt 100% of a VN in an anime" Yes it is impossible and I never expected it, but I expected at least one decent adaptation that would cover the essentials and not simply remove important characters like Illya and monologues to make 40 minute long edgy fights, also R.I.P Mighty Wind and Hikari to yami)
it really should've have been a series. Like i don't get why they made UBW a serie and HF a movie when they should've swapped since UBW is pretty straight forward plot wise.
Yeah, they could have added a few minutes. But this trilogy is still amazing.
It's fun watching hardcore TM fans get wound up about it.
It basically pandered the two biggest misconceptions about the Heaven’s Feel route: that it’s the “Sakura route” & that the only thing that makes it different from the other routes is that it’s “dark”
Really sucks that they removed all the stuff that truly made Heaven’s Feel what it is. All we can do is blame whoever the hell suggested that the route be adapted into a trilogy of movies rather than a 50-episode anime.
Ufotable's priorities were all skewed... It is true this is Sakura's route but even on Sakura's part she was damaged, most of the tension of the route was cut down to cater to the movie length, Illya's sacrifice feels empty because 80% of her scenes were removed, Kotomine's character and screentime are significantly cut down, which in turn hinders Shirou's development because a major part of his characterization is his struggle with Kotomine, Saber Alter vs Rider lasts almost 10 minutes yet Kirei vs Shirou, the GOD DAMN final fight, is not even 3 minutes long.
Honestly I don't like to be too harsh on anime adaptations because I know it's not easy and I actually think HF I was perfect, and I would have forgiven everything had they not fucked this scene up. I think the worst thing about all of this is that we can't even hope for a re-adaptation into a series because the chances are lower than even a Fate Route anime.
@@grylos5887 if there's one scene that the movie did better other than the fights its adding a smile when Archer says Can you keep up with me?
I can't be the only one who's crying about illya...
Tbh, I've felt worse...the mains were. Clannad the after story and...*gets nose blown for the next one* your lie in april. ;n;
PikaboyLP Could be worse, some douchebag could have ripped out her hear--Ohhhhhh...
PikaboyLP Ilya is the best girl
PikaboyLP You're not the only one...
Trust me when I say this i cried so much seeing Illya give up her life for Shirou it was so sweet and sad it showed that she had no regrets of saving her family so no you are not the only one.
Ilya....Ilya!Ilya!Ilya!Ilya!Ilya!Ilya!!!
my tears....ah~~~
imagine how heartbreaking it will be in the anime
😢
@@heroicspiritemiya6458 I know right, this aged like fine wine
@@sebastianswan7975 it's Emiya, he knew the future
How badass do you have to be to punch someone with literal swords growing out of their body.
Shirou sure have bad day in highschool year. I feel sorry for him
Meanwhile his neighbour Ren Fuji becomes an outerversal God, battles literal Mephistopheles and then resets the timeline to give up his God hood. High schools man, crazy times.
Relatable
I think all the VN Readers need to understand something. I’m a VN Reader, and I understood this perfectly when I watched it:
Adaptations will always lose something. For Visual and Light Novels, this is especially prevalent. The Index Light Novels are the best part of ToAru, while the anime is all mostly mediocre with some good arcs and moments at best.
We Fate fans have it different: our anime adaptations look way more beautiful than most other adaptations thanks to Ufotable’s work, and Spring Song’s (and Heaven’s Feel in general’s) extensive work over the many years just bleeds with how much passion each and every person put into making it good. It *looks* and *feels* amazing, because everyone cared.
I can’t say the same for 90% of all LN and VN adaptations. We’re lucky. This movie isn’t perfect, but your expectations for believing a movie would be as good as a book made you disappointed. That’s rarely ever true, but you need to acknowledge that they did an amazing job nonetheless.
I remember sitting in the theater with my girlfriend, who wasn’t a VN reader, and she was shocked, surprised, and cried at moments that I did when I read the VN, while I was enamored with the beautiful art and animation and voice acting and music. So clearly, people that haven’t read the VN consider this a great movie.
At some point you need to drop the elitism and acknowledge that this movie did far and away better than most other, weak anime adaptations.
Nooooooo you must CONSOOM
Its more so annoyance for some how they got their priorities mixed up. Spending more resources on the Saber Alter fight instead of the actual climax is a bit of a slap in the face. That said, I'll never agree that these adaptations were subpar or mediocre like some VN readers
@@atpr3241 To be fair, the Saber Alter/Rider fight was the spectacle, as it was a battle between Servants, which would be fast and flashy. Same could be said with Rin and Sakura, since that was the 2nd and 3rd Magics colliding.
Kirei VS Shirou could have been lengthened, but there wasn’t much you could do for animation, since it was two dudes punching each other. That said, they still managed to show the intensity of each blow.
@@ssjayson4947 yet in the VN it wasn't. Those fights were anything but "flashy" in the VN. Servant fights were always presented with weight and brutality in the VN, not "style".
Why we had to get the hack miura rather then the zero director I don't know. Atleast most of the non fight scenes were done well in the HF trilogy.
@TovarishPingu but he did though. Missing out Gil backstory and fucking up Lancelot Vs saber round 2 are the biggest crimes and those aren't deal-breaking.
Shirou remembered Kirei's name. Kirei is best girl
Yeah people don't realise how significant that is. He almost forgot Sakura and Illya yet immediately remembered kirei. You can tell how important kirei is to shirou.
Lmaooo what im saying. Kirei factually is best girl
the thing is kirei is actually correct regarding angra mainyu, he is only cursed by the people, but was not actually evil. Since he indirectly saved people he became a heroic spirit, and throughout his slumper he only know of anger.
that is, until f/ha came out
This and nine lives are amazing
Fate has resonated with and influenced me on a way no other literature can. This is truly a masterpiece.
I agree with you, a masterpiece series, especially Fate Zero and Hf And I will not forget a visual novel
@@Gydokaiy masterpiece lol. Only SN, HA, Zero, and SF are good. Everything else is pretty trash.
@@jarnahmaxux7187 hmmm
Who is your favorite anime?
@@Gydokaiy stop watching anime. Most of it is horrible.
@@eagann92 Just like every media of entertainment, what is your point?
It was once mentioned that kotomine’s and Rin’s fighting style for Chinese martial arts, is based on Li shu wen’s ba Qi quan, Ba ki Ken. Li shu wen is summoned as a servant too in the fate series.
now where are the secondaries saying that FSN is childish? because this is manly af
Blair K
All of the routes are good
Blair K
I suppose you just have different tastes. I appreciated how each route set out to do something different and actually did that. The romance in Fate felt very good and rewarding, UBW had good action and HF turned the plot on it's head by adding Sakura and Zouken to the war. They were all good for me, in their own ways.
In any case, the point still remains, I don't see how the other two routes were "childish" (as some people call them) because they were not as edgy as HF
As a Zero secondary who just finished reading Heaven's Feel because I couldn't wait for the next two movies I humbly recant all disparaging statements towards FSN.
Astraldymensions
_One of us, one of us, one of us..._
@@Astraldymensions Welcome to club, m8
Oh nah 2 half dead men running fade and boxing each other? This shit is one of the most epic VN
That was my fucking favorite route of the whole Visual Novel, made me cry like a bitch many times, specially the ending. I hope Ufo makes a good adaptation, to do it justice.
+Luca Braña Pffff, i hope we are lucky.
Ufotable did good with F/Z. But UBW was awful.
Heaven's Feel is closer to F/Z as it's darker so maybe they get the same staff and do it good.
+XDragonDeOzX UBW VN is pretty dark too :D
Just less overt about it.
Ginkei You mean the visual novel. Man I love the VN when I said it was awful I was talking about the anime adaptation. I freking love the VN xD
XDragonDeOzX I did not feel like you said that either :D
I meant that while HF is certainly closer to F/Z than UBW it isn't so much because it's dark and rather because it has a slower pace.
I still don't think they have a good chance since it's somewhat difficult to switch mediums for a work that uses the strong point of a medium like F/SN (read as: Nasu rights way too much exposition)
UBW wasnt awful...
This really makes the movie version look like a bad joke.
It's a shame, I really enjoyed the first 2 movies despite having read the VN, but the third one felt rushed and its lack of "quiet" moments (including mid-fight) made its big moments feel less impactful. Guess it was doomed from the start with only 6 hours to work with.
I watched the 3 movies and really enjoyed them, but the moment I discovered that Ufotable skipped crucial stuff about the visual novel like this I just went: "Damn, that's a shame, still 10/10 tho". I think that if every movie had just like 10 minutes more of content to dump this greasy visual novel moments it would be enough I guess
Yeah I'm glad I managed to read the VN first
@@Isaxus12 Spring Song was definitely rushed imo, just look how each movie took 2 years to make and HF III came out a year after II.
@@deuce5546 the budget and time all goes to KNY
Can't believe it took me watching this multiple times to realise that shirou isn't worried that kirei will crush his head, he's afraid that ANY damage to his head will trigger the swords to try and reinforce the injury, resulting in his head turning into swords and dying in the way he's actually scared of.
I cannot fucking wait for the anime adaption of this epic fight.
Animated Movie*
Avena Niran I was thinking that while typing it, but it's still an anime be it movie or not :p
Hitagi Senjougahara It's still going to possibly suffer from pacing though. So I have no hope for it at all.
Avena Niran I was thinking the same, I would have rathered a series instead despite the amount of money needed, they probably should just do like 5 OVAS.
Hitagi Senjougahara >Amount of money needed
Hue.
When it's Ufotable, they're literally made out of money lel.
I love the voice acting on Shirou's grunt at 23:36. He sounds like he's in so much pain you can't help but grimace
Little late, but the VA consistently did an excellent job of making Thad man sound half dead or dying.
Two of my favorite fictional villains died standing, without regretting the way they lived.
Kino.
Who's the other ?
@@ibonethesword4107 Raoh.
Fist of the North Star is so goated@@stillnousername9796
I imagine who was lucky to play this and get to this point in history when it was released.
imagine the fucking joy on playing this on 2004
*cries* illya :(
+Illyasviel Von Einzbern T.T
+dragon19954 T.T
god I still can't believe how much this scene got fucked in the movie
Yeah and everyone just talks about the fucking Rider and Salter fight lol.
@@radmandan773 by this point I'm glad that Sparks Liner High hasn't gotten animated because I'm sure they'd completely ruin it
@@letthebasscannon223 the number one thing i hate about the movie fight is how many times did shirou get hit in the face and not have it turn into swords
@@darksexy4398 honestly thats not really the issue. The issue is more than half the fucking fight is missing
@@lordtouchme5417 yeah i know just pointing out the one main thing in the fight they fuck up on and shirou was keeping up with kirei in a fist fight he only got 7 hits on kirei in the visual novel if i remember correct
The movie should’ve learned more dramatization from the vn tbh
12:39 Shirou being a tsundere.
I saw signs of it in HF2, but I'm truly sad Ufotable went for spectacle over raw emotion and feeling in the later half of the HF trilogy. Imagine actually thinking this fight is complete without Hikari to Yami.
and yet in the movie This was my favorite fight even more than Rider vs SaberAlter
@@BillPlunderbonesTew8 That's really just a testament to how cathartic and thematically climactic the confrontation is despite it being shafted by the director in favor of the preceding fight.
@@BillPlunderbonesTew8 Bro most anime only are gonna gas the Saber Alter fight over this. The issue is its just too short and its the most complex fight in FSN to be fit in just 6-7 min
@@atpr3241 True, but they should have given more priority to this scene, the fact that Saber Alter vs Rider lasts like 6x more than Shirou vs Kirei does is fucked up. They clearly aimed at the feels people had for Saber that they were carrying from Zero instead of building up the feels for this fight, it was style over substance. I actually think they could have done it right in 3 movies, HF I was alright, HF II was troubling but we still were going in a good direction, simplifying this scene is unforgivable
A local preparatory student sword boi fights a priest to decide if the student girlfriend gonna do a abortion
Local priest dies of heart attack after unable to convince boy to not abort the foetus. More news at 10
Best heaven's feel summary i have ever read
I'm just picturing Crispin Freeman making this speech. He plays Kirei so wonderfully, with an oozing honey-kind-of-voice.
Crispin Freeman is a godly actor ahd hes the reason to watch the dubbed version.
This needs to be made into an anime. I'm just saying: this franchise is one of the most loved in Japan and even the world.
It will be a movie trilogy!
Yorokobe shounen, omae no negai wa youyaku kanau.
@@halfoftheclam1317
*Kimi no negai
Your wish have come true
Just remember kids...
"People can't live without oxygen" -Emiya Shirou, 2004
Just finished the movie, The fight itself was not as good but the illya scene is definitely tear jerking.
Kirei is best girl.
agreed
yes
+.
Kirei means beautiful
Iliya: i'm about to end this mans whole career.
30:27
He didn't even use the Chinese martial arts in the movie lmao
Yeah, that's really sad.
Kirei is basically like animal activists protecting Godzilla right to live
Boyfriend wants to have an abortion for his girlfriend
Local priest interrupts.
@@markbc3382 And they decide to settle the matter with a brawl to the death.
@@markbc3382 that's a bad comparison as Angra mainyu is not really "being born"
as servants are immortal and cannot die.
@@TaigaXsenpai Can you comprehend a joke bruh ??
@@Mythos66 I mean they just go to the throne
I've read and watch so many fight in books, novels, manga, movies, and I can certainly say this is one of the top 5. the emotional weight, writing and action scene is done with such perfection
Off topic, but I would buy the BDs just to see Sparks Liner High adapted as an OVA plus normal end
Since he has an artificial heart made of grail muck, does that mean Kirei's technically undead?
TheInfernityZero Kinda.
His life was tied to fifth holy grail war. No matter how the 5th Holy Grail War had ended, Kirei had died. His heart would have stopped beating the minute the 5th ended. It's better explained in Hollow Ataraxia.
this was one of the best confrontations I have experienced from any kind of story related media.
this visual novel, and fairy tale for two are what got me hooked on Japanese visual novels.
those things are insanely good reading material, and than you get these very unique stories to go along with it.
sadly I think people are wrongly put off by visual novels because of the sex contained in most, but to me these helped add a more human depth to the stories.
things moved beyond puritan story telling and hit the more raw side of reality.
It’s not the sex that puts people off, it’s the length of the visual novel and lack of true visual aid.
Shirou: I like Kotomine Kirei.
Like a tsundere admitting they like their crush.
If Ufochan gets this shit nailed in the movie, I'm gonna go nuts
It's 'cause Kotomine, the true hero, is awesome. Beating up a body that rips his arms to shreds like that all the while the ironman is trying to hit him back. Heaven's Feel is called Kotomine Route for a reason.
*****
It's because Shiro is a piece of shit and one of the worst protagonists I've seen in my life. This scene shows him getting rekt like he should be, instead of somehow magically winning like against Gilgamesh or Archer
Him winning against Gilgamesh and Archer have reasons.
He didn't really "win" the fight against Archer. The scene in both the anime and the VN outright state that he could've handed Shirou his ass from the very beginning, even during the final stab against him he could easily have blocked and countered. He decided not to because the fight that counted, mentally breaking Shirou and forcing him to give up his ideals and then killing him to form a paradox, is evidently not happening because he still sees the beauty of his ideals, and he just decided to let him win and support him so he wouldn't go through the same path he did.
Gilgamesh won because he was an idiot and in-character. He could've won the entire Grail War if he wasn't such a tool, but he is. He didn't use his full power against Shirou (Didn't even try to use Ea until it was too late), UBW perfectly counters Gate of Babylon, and up close Shirou can trace the skills of the swords he wields so he completely outclasses Gil in close combat.
ES21007 More than that, Archer came to realize he still holds those ideals. The mental fight ended in Archer "reclaiming" his ideals no matter how broken they were and how many times they betrayed him (something he comments on when he tells Rin he found his answer). In short, Archer came to accept Shirou and thus had to leave that world.
Why are you even here then? You need healthy hobbies bro
Makes me cry seeing Illya looking like Irisviel in her last moments.
Wait until you see the movie, unless you already have
@@enforcingolive4307 SHE JOINED HER
Actually she looks like Justitia, Irisviel didn't even exist here lol
"Things won't conveniently go right for me."
Kirei: HA, SIKE- Oh, wait. Fuck.
Kirei's Heart: Let me end this man's careers
@@atpr3241 Kirei's heart: And just right before he can throw that last punch. Yuuetsu mo-fo!
So much better than the movie. I understand a movie cannot always perfectly adapt a novel but they didn't even try.
it's hard to adapt visual novel to be honest.
@Henick Lee yup.
@@jacksonmiltin4199 steins gate did fine.
@@r.k845 can't say the same to other visual novel.
@@jacksonmiltin4199 touche.
tbh i expected more from ufo's version. i get it, monologue is hard to adapt but damn not even the sakura fragments? what's the point of it being cool looking if there's no emotion..
I love the visceral feel of the movie fight but it really was too short for my main complaint. Movie should've been the length of the VE movie(that one was 2hr 22min)
@@atpr3241 the movie needed an extra hour honestly.
@@r.k845 That would hurt their box office revenue. I imagine if Shirou vs Kirei was 10 minutes and NLBW were a few min longer, 90% of the complaints would disappear.
@@atpr3241 I meant in an ideal situation.
The fight scene sucked. It felt more like a fanservice formality than the clash that decided it all.
Manliness overloaded
33:51 imagine how heartbreaking it will be in the anime
well it painful after heavens feel 3
Understatement
Came here to wash my mouth out of bitter taste the third movie's depiction of this fight left me after I watched it.
The ost of this scene is way too epic
@@zzzomitted Do you know the song that plays during 3:38, is it Church on the Hill remix?
the best fight ever
man the movie completely butchered this section, from plot to music to direction, god damn
I really love this fight Shirou Emiya Vs Kirei Kotomine is way beyond epic just well done Ufotable make Heaven's Feel truly a masterpiece that a god would fear it of the epicness and make Sakura Matou a really well done character so people will love her more :3
I just really don't know how they want to make the hf route make Sense without inner Monologue.
I'm pretty sure they will find a way.
This is exactly what I'm worried about too. Half the awesomeness of HF is in the form of inner monologues, this, nine lives blades, spark liner high etc, and I don't really see a way to adapt that faithfully in an anime movie.
Okay this is my take on it if i am wrong i am sorry I do not wish to pick a fight against a fellow fate fan it's just my thoughts and option can't respect it i don't know what to say you i do rightly respect yours. it is understandable why you are worried about Heaven's Feel and how it will trun out i can see why a lot of people I'm a little worried for some reasons of my own however I'm not worried like how most people are i still stand by of what i said they will find a way to work around this. yes i do know the inner monogues are very important to the plot for Shirou and some other characters Ufotable are not that stupid to miss up on that kind of thing if they try something new give it a shoot if they made Heaven's Feel just like how it was in the VN it will be just a copy of it to me it wouln't be that fun i can tell they will add a lot of new stuff to where it makes HF a lot better for me I really do love HF it's my fav route of all time the most amazing epic and darkest route the love between Shirou and Sakura is beautiful and something i will never get tried of seeing. overall the more you worry the more it might actually happen but i'm pretty sure you already know that.
Well with the second half of UBW they began to add in the inner monolgues, so hopefully they get it right for the HF movie.
Thank you, Illya, for everything.
Way better in the VN
Still liked the movie but they cut or changed things too much
On the movie, Shirou puts a good fight. In the novel, he gets his ass kicked...
Ufotable nerfed Kirei for the last fight :v
33:51 when someone asks you who you think are the best 9 characters in the fate series
I'm excited for this fight and 9 Lives fight as well in the upcoming ufotable project.
Still mad about ufotable's adaptation weeks after watching rn
still nothing is perfect 😞
@@blade9727 true, but it felt more like an afterthought in general
It had sloppy animation, but good art and atmosphere
@@Ajay-dy3xw whoa whoa whoa the problem isn't sloppy animation lol.
@@r.k845 The storyboard for it was weak though. It's kinda on the same level as UBW fights
The movie's final battle didn't even come close to the quality of this finale of the VN. Easily the biggest reason why that movie didn't live up to potential.
Its just differences in media, you can't adapt every monologue in a show, especially since FSN is a very long VN. They could've done better with the fight but I don't think its bad as a standalone.
@@sebastianswan7975 You say that yet they spent 10 minutes on Saber Alter vs Rider which was one of the shorter fights originally, there was no reason to extend that fight. I honestly believe you can sum up this fight in 5 minutes at least with all the important stuff
THIS ILLUSION piano is so good.
I really like this scene in the battle between men.
The movie butchered this scene.
24:25 that moment when words fail you and the music is just fucking perfect.
me and my friend were reading this and predicted a lot of the events (this isn’t a bad thing honestly we enjoyed the guessing) that were going to happen such as shinji causing sakura to lose it and rule breaker being used on sakura.
but neither of us even considered Kotomine being the final fight. (Mainly because of how he was dispatched in UBW) What a finale to the vn jesus christ
The ability to correctly predict future plot points is a sign of good writing indeed.
@@r.k845 only if you still like the scenes because if you can predict everything because is cliche then is bad but thats not the case with fate
STANDING HERE
I REALIZE
YOU ARE JUST LIKE ME
TRYING TO MAKE HISTORY
BUT WHO'S TO JUDGE
THE RIGHT FROM WRONG
WHEN OUR GUARD IS DOWN
I THINK WE'LL BOTH AGREE
THAT VIOLENCE BREEDS VIOLENCE
BUT IN THE END IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY
@@javohnjackson1417 I'VE CARVED MY OWN PATH
@@chaospacemarine8330 YOU FOLLOWED YOUR WRATH
BUT MAYBE WE'RE BOTH THE SAAAAME
Rider vs Saber Alter was a visual spectacle in the third movie , but the brtual fight between these guys was my favorite
The Fake Priest vs The Fake Hero.
Am I the only one who finds the score here to be REALLY disturbing and scary?
SolarDragon007 The first part, I agree, but EMIYA and Light & Darkness sound more "kickass", than "scary".
It's called All Evils of the World, so it's understandable you would feel that way.
Heaven's Feel should have been a 25 episode anime instead of a movie. This is the main reason why they had to rush everything and therefore iconic scenes like this were not done well and the inner monologue ws lost. It's better than most adaptations of other series but sadly did not meet expectations.
Or just one to two more Movies and everything would have been fine
@@ay-azou6715 and wait ten years to finish a series? no thanks.
@@ay-azou6715 Adapting VNs into movies and short animes (looking at you Dies Irae) makes them messy. If you are going to adapt a VN that has a playtime of over 50 hours at the very least you need 30 episodes to make something coherent, FSN UBW anime had 2 seasons so the quality was good. The sad thing about the movies is that we will not see the adaptation the alternate ending Sparks Liner High which we might have gotten if this was an anime (after all they did made the alternate UBW ending as an OVA so this could have happend too).
@@spookyskelt2550 as a VN Reader, everything was done fine. Yes they had to cut stuff, but that was also true with Unlimited Blade Works.
Think of it like economics. There’s a natural cost and benefit to using different mediums. Visual Novels offer lore and monologues, but they’re weaker on visual presentation when compared to anime.
In an anime format, you lose monologue and exposition, but you gain a *lot* of visual effects and beautiful animation. With movies, you lose a bit more, but everything else is cranked to 11.
The Heaven’s Feel Trilogy, in my opinion, was done spectacularly well. Was it perfect? No, but I still feel satisfied and that’s coming from a VN reader.
@@ssjayson4947 Heaven's Feel should have been a movie series like Kara no Kyoukai, it was the perfect format yet they went for a trilogy for no reason at all, I don't even think a KnK-style movie series would have even been much trouble really.
I think the HF trilogy was spectacularly done considering the time restraints and adapting a 40 hour novel into three 2 hour movies but I cannot accept Ufotable ruining this scene. You might call it an exaggeration of my part but I truly believe this scene was ruined in the movie, I can get behind Ilya's scenes being excised but they had no reason to cut so much from this scene, fuck the Fate remake I just want them to extend this scene from the movie lol
Yo man this shit was rad, no wonder everyone obsesses over it
In the end, what decided the fate of the world was just two half dead men having a fistfight
When you play 150 hours of a digital picture book to see a priest argue with a teenager about abortion
When Emiya starts playing in this scene in the movie(s) I'm going to freak out
Pro-life vs Pro-choice: the VN