Once I sent Nintendo a picture I drew of Mario with a sword. It said "I want to make a game of Mario with a sword" They rejected my pitch. Go ahead and add it to this list.
The weird thing about Yoshi's Cookie is that not only was it never released on the Wii U Virtual Console, but it was actually pulled from the original Wii Virtual Console just a few months after that sizzle reel trailer came out. It seems there was some legal trouble that prevented Nintendo from selling it anymore.
@@magnamaduin actually the NES version wasn't developed by bulletproof software, it was developed by Tose. The SNES version was however, but that's not the one advertised. Nintendo SHOULD have the rights to the NES version since they bought them
Out of all the games on here I think that cancelled Boo game looked the most interesting at least from a visual standpoint it really stands out compared to most other Mario spinoffs.
That’s a way to look at it. But it was a different world back then and multi platform games were pretty rare. The architecture of the pa1 and n64 were not similar. Even the controllers were very, very different in those days. Plus, the 3D platform market was pretty full on the n64 as opposed to pa1, where it was pretty wide open when croc came out.
It appeared to have a lot more to do with the fact that Nintendo and Argonaut decided to go separate ways, and the fact that Star Fox 2 (like Earthbound Zero before it on the NES) was cancelled because it was going to come out too close to the initially planned launch of the N64. That seems more accurate given the idea for the 3D platforming Yoshi game never progressed beyond pre-production planning and pitching stage (it would be petty to get angry at your co-developer/publisher for not giving the go-ahead for a project that had little work done on it). In fact, members of Argonaut who had worked with Nintendo like Dylan Cuthbert, who was one of the key developers of Star Fox, Stunt Race FX, and Star Fox 2, actually left Argonaut to work more closely with Nintendo and Sony (helping co-develop Blasto for the PS1), before founding Q-Games (which was responsible for Star Fox Command, Star Fox 64 3D, and a number of original titles like PixelJunk).
@@JazGalaxy Well, the PS1 and Saturn are not similar ether. Look at how bad Die Bard Trilogy is on Saturn compared to PS1. Yes, that game was also done with help from Fox Interactive, just like Croc
2:38 I guess Pauline's singing career had an earlier start than we realized. Seriously though, who'd have realized that her singing was a throwback to an _unreleased_ game?
id's Mario 3 demo is actually really significant as far as development goes. In short, Carmack essentially had to create a workaround to even allow scrolling. That effect was possible on Mac, but had never been possible on PC until then
16:31 Fun fact: That render of Gruntilda in that Mario Artist game is never seen in any Banjo-Kazooie media, making it the only render exclusive to a Mario game.
02:42 So Pauline was intended as a singer so far back already. Really makes you wonder whether they held onto this concept for all this time or if it's just a funny coincidence.
Granted, Nintendo has a hording habit when it comes to game development, so there's a very good chance they have all of the concept work and programming tucked away neatly.
Angel-of-Light-Kelly IMO those segments actively ruin the game. If i gave Spirit Tracks a 10/10, the panflute would drop it down to a 5/10, they’re THAT terrible…
Smash's violence is very cartoony and stylized, whereas the violence in Spikers from those demo animations seemed a little more brutal. Take Waluigi's stomp at 24:23. In Smash, Mario would've bounced away with smoke trailing behind him instead of just flopping back on the ground as if he's dead. But then again it could just be company bias.
Smash bros is just over the top cartoon violence where characters get launched across the stratosphere and blast off team rocket style. You can literally fight people with a stick and umbrella. Spikers looked to go for more psuedo-realistic wrestling vibe.
I love how Phillips weren't happy with companies work but then you look at the work they actually released and its mind-blowing 😂 those demos must have been terrible.
"Two original characters: A rock and roll duo named Heavy and Metal" Hands down best concept that I've heard in a long time, I would love to play a game like that \m/
So during the N64 era, Miyamoto seems to be talking about having a playable demo of “Mario 64 2” that had a Mario & Luigi co-op mode, and then he suddenly just seemed to stop talking about it? I wanna know what happened with that, because it sounds like a completely separate thing from the Mario 128 tech demo.
I really would’ve loved for Mario Kart 64 to have had more characters. It’d have been cool if Kamek was an unlockable character. 5:32 Nintendo was not exactly doing so hot in Europe. Makes me wonder what would’ve happened if they brought over the Famicom as is instead of the NES. 12:10 Croc and his cast could easily fit in the Mario universe Part of me thinks if Super Mario 64 2 came to be. It likely would’ve been ported to GameCube as to give players outside of Japan something to play while they worked on Sunshine.
"Nintendo disapproved of the project as they believed the violent gameplay did not match the company Code of Honor." I rolled my eyes really hard at that.
I was looking at the Boo Haunt concept art and some of this is real freaky! For some reason, there's art of an angry Boo in the shape of the Star of David and using a menorah as a weapon. There's also a Boo crucified.
A full movement, 3D Mario FPS could be a lot of fun. Banjo-Tooie showed how to do a fun, kid-friendly shooter and Splatoon of course did it in 3rd person.
@@braydengraves4655 Smash could be seen more as "over the top" violent action while Spikers looked like they were really inflicting pain on the other characters the way Waluigi stomped on Mario and Yoshi threw the other Yoshi to the ground XD
I've been working on a video covering every cancelled Mario game for about two months now. It's only about halfway done but man, I'm so gutted lol. I noticed nobody else had really made a video covering all of them, so I tried to jump on it. Obviously this is much better than what I could put together, and you guys dug some stuff up that I would never be able to. Great video! I'll finish mine still but man... If only I could edit faster. 😓😓
Do it anyway man! Just because someone beats you to the punch doesn't mean you shouldn't release. Bring your own spin. Dig into press releases from the time or something. Edit: and if you're still worried, or discouraged, I suggest you watch the episode of South Park called "Simpsons Did It". In short, DYKG is always going to beat you to the punch because they've been making videos for AGES. So what? Do it anyway, these are all open topics. Edit2: I think I remember a few years ago CGP Grey uploaded a video and one of the VSauce channels immediately went "well dang we were working on the same topic". From what I saw, the viewers overwhelmingly wanted them to finish and release the video anyway. Consumers consume, and niche consumers consume niche consumables. More detailed videos are always in demand regardless of whether they've been done before. Hell I've watched three videos about the Famicom Disk System today and loved them all. Don't feel discouraged.
Just doooo it- do your own thing, there are hundreds of thousands of videos that cover either the same or similar topics as everything and anything- and those don't get any less love just because "Somebody else did it" ...it'll still get your experience going, your content out, and you'll still have accomplished something regardless!
You can differ if you dont go for just all facts. Add your touch to it and perhaps make it comedic. The fact that there is only this video and no one else taking a different way to talk about it leaves more opportunity than you think
Nintendo really just seems to hate doing anything fun and creative for Mario, anything out of the norm for his branding. Seeing something like Waluigi stomping on Mario is so friggin' goofy, shame they disapproved of such obviously cartoony violence. That Boo game also looks adorable, too bad it never got off the ground.
Nintendo is so stupidly weird, they’ll release something as on-brand as Super Mario 3D World and then release the largely subversive Super Mario Odyssey as the next title. Super Paper Mario was the most beyond-Mario RPG of all time, and then they follow it with Sticker Star, the most standard-Mario RPG of all time. They reject ID Software’s Super Mario Bros 3 PC port because it wasn’t on their hardware, yet they permitted Hotel Mario for the CDI and the Mario Edutainment games for the MS-DOS (Mario is Missing for MS-DOS gave us the inspiration for Weegee). They also won’t have Sonic and Mario in a platformer together, but they will have Mario and Rabbids in a turn-based strategy game. They won’t allow for Wario Pool for the GBC, but they will allow Mario Pinball for the GBA. And they won’t allow Mario games to have violent wrestling but they’re okay with Mario in Smash Bros, a game series that’s mostly T for Teen. Whoever is running Nintendo seems to be random every time they give permission for a game, it’s like quantum particles that collapse into a random state when observed.
26:14 I think the reason why Yoshi’s Cookie was never released on the Wii U’s VC was because of licensing issues. Since that game was co-developed with Bullet-Proof Software. (Henk Rogers’ company)
What do you mean "no one knows why" Yoshi's Cookie wasn't released on Wii U? It's obviously due to licensing issues with Bullet Proof Software, the same reason it was pulled from the Wii Virtual Console. Pretty odd for a video that seems so heavily researched otherwise.
Bruh I can’t believe you forgot Mario fries an egg deluxe with new funky mode on the Nintendo 3DS!. I was so disappointed when that got announced as canceled
Maybe it’s because I’m extremely tired or because I’m bored at work, but when you said “It never came out. Nobody knows why” in that deadpan tone it just made me crack up. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 That cheered me up so thanks for that.
They did release Yoshi's Cookie on Virtual Console for the original Wii. I know this because when the Internet Channel was made free, those who had paid for the channel (myself included) were offered one free Virtual Console game of their choice as compensation, and that was the game I chose to get.
Could you imagine how much different Nintendo would be if they actually accepted third-party developers putting effort into things to put their most famous games on PCs? We probably wouldn't have Nintendo claiming that joycon drift doesn't exist, that's for sure.
Could you (or anyone else) consider finding out what happened to the highly anticipated sequel to Kingdom Come, IceWallow Come? It looked downright incredible and extremely promising, and now it's like it never even existed.
Beginning of video: "...Nintendo declined it because they didn't want their IPs on non-Nintendo hardware." End of video, regarding Nintendo saying no Mario Kart on Tesla hardware: "...some had theorized that Nintendo said no because of safety reasons."
@@ChaseMC215 I believe it would mean like a driver losing control and hitting the Tesla user for bad injury or death even if the driver was drunk or high maybe even mentally ill
Was it common that designers would build a whole game using someone else's IP and only get permission afterwards? That can't be how it's done these days.
Some fans do that nowadays. Though it rarely, if ever, pays off. Like those devs who made a whole remake of the first Mortal Kombat trilogy and then pitched the project to Netherrealm Studios/Warner Games, only for them to drag their feet and then say "no".
4:19 "A cracked version of the Apple II port [of Mario Bros] was leaked in the '80s." Wow, so that version we played in school was never actually officially released.
In the style of their video a while back about whether Mario Party's dice are rigged, I'd love to see DYKG investigate the common claim that CPUs on higher difficulty settings get better rolls. People say that all the time, but personally I think it's just confirmation bias
I really enjoyed this video thank you I love learning about the past video game things thay I didn't know before. You guys put a lot of effort into editing too I can tell.
The only things that are left from co-op thing for Mario 64 are the assets for Luigi that seems to be more related to a late in development project since those were found in a iQue folder with SFX for future games like the Mario Advance series but other people says this dates from the beta development of the original Mario 64...
2:53 I've gotta say, I can't think of a American character more ill-fitted to teaching kids English than Popeye. Having a bizarre speech pattern is like. 1/3 of his character
1:02 That's so dope! I've never seen that! Could you do a video on Koopa Troopa's Forest and how it evolved to what looks like Zelda Link to the past?!
List of Contents: 0:00 - Intro ========== (0:39 - Wii Prototypes) 1:02 - Koopa Troopa Forest 1:09 - Mario FPS 1:20 - DDR Mario 2 ============= 1:42 - TRS-80 Port of Donkey Kong 2:23 - Donkey Kong no Ongaku Asobi (Donkey Kong's Music Play) =============== (3:25 - AtariSoft's Mario Ports) 3:40 - Mario Bros. (C64, VIC-20, Apple II, DOS) 4:30 - Donkey Kong & Donkey Kong Jr. (Atarisoft ports) 4:39 - Mario Bros. (Atari XE port) =============== 5:26 - Firebird's C64 port of Super Mario Bros. 5:53 - Crucial Bros. (Firebird's Mario clone) =================== 6:03 - IFD's C64 port of SMB3 =================== 7:18 - Mario's Planet Quest | Mario's Mission Earth =================== 8:02 - Super Mario's Wacky Worlds 9:26 - Mario Takes America =================== 11:00 - Yoshi Racing =================== 12:31 - Mario Bros. VB =================== 13:17 - Boss Game Studio's unknown Mario pitch =================== 14:14 - Mario's Castle =================== 15:14 - Wario Pool 16:05 - Mario Artist: Sound Maker 16:42 - DD Maker series 17:07 - Super Mario 64 2 18:05 - Super Mario 128 19:17 - Yoshi Sample 19:57 - Mario Kart XXL 20:44 - Mario Motors 21:39 - Mario Football / NFL Retro Football 22:41 - Haunt 23:46 - Super Mario Spikers 24:39 - Ubisoft's 2010 pitch of a Mario and Rabbids crossover 25:27 - Mario Kart for Tesla cars 26:07 - Yoshi's Cookie (Wii U Virtual Console) 26:18 - Outro
The Haunt game is definitely one of the weirdest entries. Honestly I like the combination of the Yoshi’s Island + Super Mario Sunshine artstyle, but it seems arbitrary to attach it to a Mario side character than just making an original franchise entirely. It’s like if Sega wanted to make a platformer with the Porcupo enemy from Super Mario Bros 2 instead of just making their own original blue hedgehog character, it seems absurdly risky to pitch an original game idea with an original art style and then try to loosely tie it to the Mario series for no reason. In fact, trying to tie in a Boo school that’s fighting off witches would only add more confusion and contradiction to the nightmare of the Mario canon, it would be easier to have it in a separate universe entirely. You wouldn’t even need to change the character designs, the Yoshi’s Island and Super Mario Sunshine designs for Boos haven’t been used in 26 and 19 years respectively, and no one is going to complain (or sue) that the ghost designs resemble the Boo designs that were specifically used in two games each and then never designed like that again. Also, I just realized how absurd it is that a game starring a Boo has been closer to getting their own game than Bowser, Daisy, and Waluigi ever have; at least the Boo game was pitched and had great concept art before it got scrapped, the latter ideas haven’t even been suggested!
Actually, a game like Haunt would probably do very well, with the increasing popularity of Boo that I've been seeing recently. Boo is a cute character, and this seems like a cute AU concept which I could see a lot of people getting hyped for. Especially since spooky/horror themes do really well in this day and age. That's just my opinion, though. I personally would have played it!
@@AmbrosiusAmaimon Though it's different, I see the complications that would arrive from OP's argument. Cuteness and character design is great for marketing, but those factors have very little to do with the flawed design concepts they were to utilize.
@@AmbrosiusAmaimon They didn't include it in this video but they did show it in a previous video, where they called it a "Christmas Boo." There was also a Star of David-shaped Boo that used a menorah as a weapon.
It's hypocritical for Nintendo to reject the idea of Mario Spikers on the basis that it's "too violent" when they have the Super Smash Bros. franchise.
The fact that there has never been a game where Mario uses a plunger as a melee weapon despite him supposedly being a plumber is insane, it seems like the easiest connection to make
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Once I sent Nintendo a picture I drew of Mario with a sword. It said "I want to make a game of Mario with a sword" They rejected my pitch. Go ahead and add it to this list.
Lol ironically a similar thing happened that lead to the creation of Mario rpg on the snes.
I feel like if you released that drawing to the public, people would mail it to them with that pitch and we would get it before mother 3
@@drmegasteve4335 he'd get a cease and desist before anything
@Travis The Maximus "travis the maximus"
@@tjlnintendo Of course
"It never came out, no one knows why."
That actually got a laugh out of me.
same. it's just so anti-climatic!
The weird thing about Yoshi's Cookie is that not only was it never released on the Wii U Virtual Console, but it was actually pulled from the original Wii Virtual Console just a few months after that sizzle reel trailer came out. It seems there was some legal trouble that prevented Nintendo from selling it anymore.
If there's one thing Nintendo is good at and I'm pretty sure we all know what that could possibly be at this point is.......... No!
That was dunkey-esque
@@magnamaduin actually the NES version wasn't developed by bulletproof software, it was developed by Tose. The SNES version was however, but that's not the one advertised. Nintendo SHOULD have the rights to the NES version since they bought them
Out of all the games on here I think that cancelled Boo game looked the most interesting at least from a visual standpoint it really stands out compared to most other Mario spinoffs.
Agreed, hopefully the NDA issues were actually related to the project being revived. I can dream.
I don't want to sound like a dick as I'm genuinely curious: is English your primary language?
@@naithungoal609 Bruh. They had one unnecessary word and thats it 💀
@@E-Eyes But also that grammar....
@@naithungoal609 People forget comma's all the time, even native English speakers like me. 🤣
Not releasing Croc on the N64 makes it seem like Argonaut was giving Nintendo the middle finger for not approving their Yoshi game.
That’s a way to look at it. But it was a different world back then and multi platform games were pretty rare. The architecture of the pa1 and n64 were not similar. Even the controllers were very, very different in those days.
Plus, the 3D platform market was pretty full on the n64 as opposed to pa1, where it was pretty wide open when croc came out.
It appeared to have a lot more to do with the fact that Nintendo and Argonaut decided to go separate ways, and the fact that Star Fox 2 (like Earthbound Zero before it on the NES) was cancelled because it was going to come out too close to the initially planned launch of the N64.
That seems more accurate given the idea for the 3D platforming Yoshi game never progressed beyond pre-production planning and pitching stage (it would be petty to get angry at your co-developer/publisher for not giving the go-ahead for a project that had little work done on it).
In fact, members of Argonaut who had worked with Nintendo like Dylan Cuthbert, who was one of the key developers of Star Fox, Stunt Race FX, and Star Fox 2, actually left Argonaut to work more closely with Nintendo and Sony (helping co-develop Blasto for the PS1), before founding Q-Games (which was responsible for Star Fox Command, Star Fox 64 3D, and a number of original titles like PixelJunk).
@@JazGalaxy
Well, the PS1 and Saturn are not similar ether.
Look at how bad Die Bard Trilogy is on Saturn compared to PS1.
Yes, that game was also done with help from Fox Interactive, just like Croc
nintendo wouldnt have let them release on n64 anyways lmfao
2:38 I guess Pauline's singing career had an earlier start than we realized.
Seriously though, who'd have realized that her singing was a throwback to an _unreleased_ game?
Its not a throwback, singing isn't a reference
@@nenkers3884 The character Pauline is a singer in Mario Oddysey also. It’s not the singing it’s the character
@@nenkers3884 you're fun aren't you?
@@ThommyofThennlol
20:55
"...a veteran game designer, best know for games like Odama and Semen..."
Seaman: "It's SeaMAN! ....Get it right."
No, it’s Man Bazooka Juice!
Everybody's favorite Super Best Friend
Ah no no no no no!!! It's seaman! SEA! MAN!!!! Not Semen.
angry video game nerd why with this quote its soo funny yet unsettling to other people !!!!! XD XD
id's Mario 3 demo is actually really significant as far as development goes. In short, Carmack essentially had to create a workaround to even allow scrolling. That effect was possible on Mac, but had never been possible on PC until then
well, nothing is ever really a challenge for 5th dimensional being john carmack
@@ire5685 bearer of the knowledge that holds the universe together
Stop using the word essentially it’s unnecessary filler and does not make you sound intelligent thank you
@@HistoryandReviews wtf he just used it once what's wrong with you lmao
@@HistoryandReviews Stop using the word unnecessary it's filler and does not make you sound intelligent thank you
16:31 Fun fact: That render of Gruntilda in that Mario Artist game is never seen in any Banjo-Kazooie media, making it the only render exclusive to a Mario game.
Added to my collection of rare Gruntildas.
I think it's cool that they had instances of Pauline singing back then, and they brought it back with Odyssey.
bup
"I cannot tell you why. But please guess"
That sounds a tad ominous
If you've played Seaman, it's full of that kind of vaguely ominous humor. I'm not surprised that this quote is from the creator of Seaman lol
It means "I've signed papers saying I wouldn't and if I do then I'll get sued for a lot of money."
Saito is a bit of a goofball with his remarks, so this may as well just be a joke
02:42 So Pauline was intended as a singer so far back already. Really makes you wonder whether they held onto this concept for all this time or if it's just a funny coincidence.
Granted, Nintendo has a hording habit when it comes to game development, so there's a very good chance they have all of the concept work and programming tucked away neatly.
My guess is that someone on the team was doing research for Odyssey and found that out and brought it up to the team to “resurrect”.
Oh my god the game at 23:00 is so creative! I love that artwork and it would have been such a nice fit to a yoshi-style side game! What a shame....
21:00 “this got scrapped as they thought it might cause children to get out of breath”
And yet… Spirit Tracks…
As someone who struggled with that stupid panflute, I find that ironic too.
Angel-of-Light-Kelly IMO those segments actively ruin the game. If i gave Spirit Tracks a 10/10, the panflute would drop it down to a 5/10, they’re THAT terrible…
@@BR-jw7pm I got so frustrated with them as a kid, which just made me almost pass out more.
So Spikers didn’t fit Nintendo’s “code of honor” due to violence, but Smash Bros does? How does that make sense? Lol
It don’t 😂
Id assume its a combination of smash getting grandfathered in + making millions of $$
Smash's violence is very cartoony and stylized, whereas the violence in Spikers from those demo animations seemed a little more brutal. Take Waluigi's stomp at 24:23. In Smash, Mario would've bounced away with smoke trailing behind him instead of just flopping back on the ground as if he's dead.
But then again it could just be company bias.
Smash bros is just over the top cartoon violence where characters get launched across the stratosphere and blast off team rocket style. You can literally fight people with a stick and umbrella.
Spikers looked to go for more psuedo-realistic wrestling vibe.
like those 2 other people said, smash bros is basically cartoon-brand violence, while spikers is just funi wrestle
I love how Phillips weren't happy with companies work but then you look at the work they actually released and its mind-blowing 😂 those demos must have been terrible.
"Two original characters: A rock and roll duo named Heavy and Metal"
Hands down best concept that I've heard in a long time, I would love to play a game like that \m/
Reminds me of Megaman. Rock and Roll.
back then with toejam and earl, yeah, it definitley couldve worked
So during the N64 era, Miyamoto seems to be talking about having a playable demo of “Mario 64 2” that had a Mario & Luigi co-op mode, and then he suddenly just seemed to stop talking about it? I wanna know what happened with that, because it sounds like a completely separate thing from the Mario 128 tech demo.
"It never came out. No one knows why."
That.. Hmm.. Well at least that's clear?
Going to be honest, I wish Haunt became a thing.
I love your pfp
Thank you.
Ditto
You and me both. The concept was awesome.
hey jetix
A Mario FPS game?
"I may be out of-a lives, but I ain't out of a-options! SO LONG GAY BOWSER!"
I really would’ve loved for Mario Kart 64 to have had more characters. It’d have been cool if Kamek was an unlockable character.
5:32 Nintendo was not exactly doing so hot in Europe. Makes me wonder what would’ve happened if they brought over the Famicom as is instead of the NES.
12:10 Croc and his cast could easily fit in the Mario universe
Part of me thinks if Super Mario 64 2 came to be. It likely would’ve been ported to GameCube as to give players outside of Japan something to play while they worked on Sunshine.
"Nintendo disapproved of the project as they believed the violent gameplay did not match the company Code of Honor."
I rolled my eyes really hard at that.
* glares at super smash*
I was looking for this comment while thinking to myself "Oh like Super Smash Brothers doesn't exist?" Lol
Sorry what did you say? i was too busy playing as Mario, hitting Peach with a baseball bat...
Super Smash bros is more cartoony than *actual wwe style wrestling moves*
"Worried children would get out of breath.".
Back in my day we got out of breath on a daily basis.
20:58 NO, DO NOT PRONOUNCE SEAMAN LIKE THAT
We all know it's pronounced Seaman, it's right on the fucking cover of the game.
That picture of the rabbids carrying Bowser away is hilarious to me, for some reason. It looks like Bowser's saying "could you not?..."
I was looking at the Boo Haunt concept art and some of this is real freaky!
For some reason, there's art of an angry Boo in the shape of the Star of David and using a menorah as a weapon. There's also a Boo crucified.
Surprised they didn't mention that.
Boocified
A full movement, 3D Mario FPS could be a lot of fun. Banjo-Tooie showed how to do a fun, kid-friendly shooter and Splatoon of course did it in 3rd person.
Hopefully Haunt will get a release somewhere in the future, it looks and sounds awesome :O
Nintendo: Mario Spikers is unacceptable!
Also Nintendo: Who's ready for more Super Smash Bros.?
Big logic fail on Nintendo's part.
Spikers had more visceral animation
Smash is more "over the top" with its action where Spikers looks more realistic.
@@StudioInkblot @BlazeHeartPanther ya'll are the reason we can't have nice things
IDK why but the concept of Wario playing pool is just funny to me
I love that wario was *this* close to canonically having a manager
What does wario do that warrants management?
Genius modders please: Do try recreating a lot of these. Love those things.
2:38 Pauline singing? Now I know where Nintendo got the idea of her singing at New Donk City.
As soon as I got too old to go to the strong museum that's when they start showing all the cool video game stuff
you’re never too old :)
I feel this. Rochester gang!
The Mario wrestling game should have happened, half the characters are in the best fighting game crossover and they can't use these skills in a game
To be fair, the animations in Spikers did look more violent than any seen in Smash.
@@braydengraves4655 Smash could be seen more as "over the top" violent action while Spikers looked like they were really inflicting pain on the other characters the way Waluigi stomped on Mario and Yoshi threw the other Yoshi to the ground XD
Man I really wish that Boo DS game would of happen. It looks really cute and I dig the style it was gonna go for.
I've been working on a video covering every cancelled Mario game for about two months now. It's only about halfway done but man, I'm so gutted lol. I noticed nobody else had really made a video covering all of them, so I tried to jump on it. Obviously this is much better than what I could put together, and you guys dug some stuff up that I would never be able to. Great video! I'll finish mine still but man... If only I could edit faster. 😓😓
Don't be disparaged, you can still do your own take on it.
You can do your own take on the subject
Do it anyway man! Just because someone beats you to the punch doesn't mean you shouldn't release. Bring your own spin. Dig into press releases from the time or something.
Edit: and if you're still worried, or discouraged, I suggest you watch the episode of South Park called "Simpsons Did It". In short, DYKG is always going to beat you to the punch because they've been making videos for AGES. So what? Do it anyway, these are all open topics.
Edit2: I think I remember a few years ago CGP Grey uploaded a video and one of the VSauce channels immediately went "well dang we were working on the same topic". From what I saw, the viewers overwhelmingly wanted them to finish and release the video anyway. Consumers consume, and niche consumers consume niche consumables. More detailed videos are always in demand regardless of whether they've been done before. Hell I've watched three videos about the Famicom Disk System today and loved them all.
Don't feel discouraged.
Just doooo it- do your own thing, there are hundreds of thousands of videos that cover either the same or similar topics as everything and anything- and those don't get any less love just because "Somebody else did it" ...it'll still get your experience going, your content out, and you'll still have accomplished something regardless!
You can differ if you dont go for just all facts. Add your touch to it and perhaps make it comedic. The fact that there is only this video and no one else taking a different way to talk about it leaves more opportunity than you think
Nintendo really just seems to hate doing anything fun and creative for Mario, anything out of the norm for his branding. Seeing something like Waluigi stomping on Mario is so friggin' goofy, shame they disapproved of such obviously cartoony violence.
That Boo game also looks adorable, too bad it never got off the ground.
i blame the failure of the gamecube keeping them from being as ambitious as they were
Considering smash is a thing this makes spiker’s cancellation more baffling
@@cursedkevin well to be fair, barely anything makes Nintendo money like Smash does
Nintendo is so stupidly weird, they’ll release something as on-brand as Super Mario 3D World and then release the largely subversive Super Mario Odyssey as the next title. Super Paper Mario was the most beyond-Mario RPG of all time, and then they follow it with Sticker Star, the most standard-Mario RPG of all time. They reject ID Software’s Super Mario Bros 3 PC port because it wasn’t on their hardware, yet they permitted Hotel Mario for the CDI and the Mario Edutainment games for the MS-DOS (Mario is Missing for MS-DOS gave us the inspiration for Weegee). They also won’t have Sonic and Mario in a platformer together, but they will have Mario and Rabbids in a turn-based strategy game. They won’t allow for Wario Pool for the GBC, but they will allow Mario Pinball for the GBA. And they won’t allow Mario games to have violent wrestling but they’re okay with Mario in Smash Bros, a game series that’s mostly T for Teen. Whoever is running Nintendo seems to be random every time they give permission for a game, it’s like quantum particles that collapse into a random state when observed.
Tbh during that Era they did plenty with mario there were rpgs,fighting ,racing ,tennis and prolly somethin else I'm missing besides platforming
Hopefully someone eventually makes that Boo game, even if it’s not tied to Mario.
I would've liked Mario Kart R to be released, due to Kamek being in it.
Mario Kart R was just Mario Kart 64 that looked a little different...you might be able to play a ROM hack of the early build on an emulator.
Why would a regular Magikoopa influence sales?
@@GabePuratekuta it wouldn't but Donkey Kong would
Super Mario Kart R is just a beta built of Mario Kart 64
26:14 I think the reason why Yoshi’s Cookie was never released on the Wii U’s VC was because of licensing issues. Since that game was co-developed with Bullet-Proof Software. (Henk Rogers’ company)
Such a comically anti-climatic end for Yoshi’s Cookie! XD
"It never came out. No one knows why." 🤣
This video just made me realize just how many random developers have a total misunderstanding of what Nintendo wants to do with Mario
20:57 The tone shift to SeaMan.
What do you mean "no one knows why" Yoshi's Cookie wasn't released on Wii U? It's obviously due to licensing issues with Bullet Proof Software, the same reason it was pulled from the Wii Virtual Console. Pretty odd for a video that seems so heavily researched otherwise.
I guess they reeeeally wanted to end this video anticlimactically as joke while sacrificing actual research on the game not being released.
"Repossessed by the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce" sounds so imposing! The CIBC as they're known here are just one of our big 5 banks.
Sheesh, I’m Canadian and I didn’t even realize that’s the bank they were talking about haha.
@@TheCartoonGamer8000 Same here
Bruh I can’t believe you forgot Mario fries an egg deluxe with new funky mode on the Nintendo 3DS!. I was so disappointed when that got announced as canceled
I dunno I feel that the egg cracking mechanics would have been more suitable for the Wii at the time- but that's what you get I suppose!
11:20 imagine having your picture taken like this and saying “that’s the one!” 🧐
Maybe it’s because I’m extremely tired or because I’m bored at work, but when you said “It never came out. Nobody knows why” in that deadpan tone it just made me crack up. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 That cheered me up so thanks for that.
They did release Yoshi's Cookie on Virtual Console for the original Wii. I know this because when the Internet Channel was made free, those who had paid for the channel (myself included) were offered one free Virtual Console game of their choice as compensation, and that was the game I chose to get.
As of October 15th, Mario Kart XXL Demo is now online and available to "play!"
Why'd you say seaman like that? At 20:57
Instantly reminded me of the Super Best Friends
Now I feel bad that Haunt never got to be released.
Don't be, the Star of David Boos and the Crucified Boos kinda doomed it from the start.
"We found this leak from 4chan with no reputable information and no playable roms which contains a mario shooter in isle delphino"
Quality journalism.
You forgot to mention that the wrestling element for Spikers came from WWE Titans: Parts Unknown, another canceled game by Next Level.
looking forward to the future episode covering the music play cartridge
Did you know? Mario will always be one of videogame's greatest legends!
Can't argue with that, but Sonic and Pac-Man are up there as well.
@@pacapprovedsomecrabmeatpacman isn't popular anymore
@@Disbanded9998 Yes he is, Pac-Man's a gaming icon, one of the reasons being that he was the first video game character to exist.
Could you imagine how much different Nintendo would be if they actually accepted third-party developers putting effort into things to put their most famous games on PCs?
We probably wouldn't have Nintendo claiming that joycon drift doesn't exist, that's for sure.
Japanese corporate culture is the main culprit. Slaves to tradition, unfortunately.
Could you (or anyone else) consider finding out what happened to the highly anticipated sequel to Kingdom Come, IceWallow Come? It looked downright incredible and extremely promising, and now it's like it never even existed.
why
I just can’t believe there was actually a game released called “3D Pocket Pool”
Beginning of video: "...Nintendo declined it because they didn't want their IPs on non-Nintendo hardware."
End of video, regarding Nintendo saying no Mario Kart on Tesla hardware: "...some had theorized that Nintendo said no because of safety reasons."
Safety reasons is bullshit because clearly the pitch says "whilst charging your Tesla", not "whilst driving your Tesla."
@@ChaseMC215 I believe it would mean like a driver losing control and hitting the Tesla user for bad injury or death even if the driver was drunk or high maybe even mentally ill
maybe because nintendo was different when the mario bros 3 port was done than now???, its not that more than 20 years has passed...
WHY DID YOU SAY SEAMAN LIKE THAT LMAOOO
time stamp pls
I like how the video shows Kevin Cloud and lists him as Adrian Carmack. Adrian is actually behind John Romero in the picture.
I like how the car making feature was reimagined when they made Mario Kart 7
Yoshi's Cookie never releasing on WiiU must be Scott's paralysis demon
Was it common that designers would build a whole game using someone else's IP and only get permission afterwards? That can't be how it's done these days.
Some fans do that nowadays. Though it rarely, if ever, pays off. Like those devs who made a whole remake of the first Mortal Kombat trilogy and then pitched the project to Netherrealm Studios/Warner Games, only for them to drag their feet and then say "no".
It was done so they could show a demo as an example to the company to help a pitch.
Holy crap it's crazy how much that Wario Pool cutscene resembles what would eventually be cutscenes for the WarioWare series.
1:39 i never thought i would see mario getting sturdy 💀
Wow, for once DYKG didn't resort to sponsorship!
I wouldn't be able to say "3D Pocket Pool" without laughing.
4:19 "A cracked version of the Apple II port [of Mario Bros] was leaked in the '80s."
Wow, so that version we played in school was never actually officially released.
10:03 Michael Borthwick (middle) and Howard Greenspan (right) look like Luigi And Mario 🤔
pro tip: if u REALLY want it "safely preserved" put it into the internet.
Fantastic video like always :)
“ FOOTAGE BY TH-cam USER ‘SNL’ “ I love that
In the style of their video a while back about whether Mario Party's dice are rigged, I'd love to see DYKG investigate the common claim that CPUs on higher difficulty settings get better rolls. People say that all the time, but personally I think it's just confirmation bias
I'm still very upset about the boo game being cancelled :(
"Breathe into your DS to severely disturb your friends in Pictochat"
I really enjoyed this video thank you I love learning about the past video game things thay I didn't know before. You guys put a lot of effort into editing too I can tell.
I like the way you pronounced "Seaman"
me too
The only things that are left from co-op thing for Mario 64 are the assets for Luigi that seems to be more related to a late in development project since those were found in a iQue folder with SFX for future games like the Mario Advance series but other people says this dates from the beta development of the original Mario 64...
I don't know why but I find it so funny that Croc is holding a gun at 12:13 😂
Just imagine a first person shooter but with Mario characters….
At 16:29, the captions state, incorrectly, January 1997 but the audio correctly says December 1999.
2:53 I've gotta say, I can't think of a American character more ill-fitted to teaching kids English than Popeye. Having a bizarre speech pattern is like. 1/3 of his character
I donstk knowsk what yer zayin. Popeye taughts me skevery word I knowsk
@20:57 lol what is that change in tone :D
I love the art for the boo game so much. I would've bought that game and whatever hardware it came out on if it looked like that. So awesome.
1:02 That's so dope! I've never seen that! Could you do a video on Koopa Troopa's Forest and how it evolved to what looks like Zelda Link to the past?!
Wow, I never would have guessed that many Mario games got scrapped.
Love this video and the research that went into it!
List of Contents:
0:00 - Intro
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(0:39 - Wii Prototypes)
1:02 - Koopa Troopa Forest
1:09 - Mario FPS
1:20 - DDR Mario 2
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1:42 - TRS-80 Port of Donkey Kong
2:23 - Donkey Kong no Ongaku Asobi (Donkey Kong's Music Play)
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(3:25 - AtariSoft's Mario Ports)
3:40 - Mario Bros. (C64, VIC-20, Apple II, DOS)
4:30 - Donkey Kong & Donkey Kong Jr. (Atarisoft ports)
4:39 - Mario Bros. (Atari XE port)
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5:26 - Firebird's C64 port of Super Mario Bros.
5:53 - Crucial Bros. (Firebird's Mario clone)
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6:03 - IFD's C64 port of SMB3
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7:18 - Mario's Planet Quest | Mario's Mission Earth
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8:02 - Super Mario's Wacky Worlds
9:26 - Mario Takes America
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11:00 - Yoshi Racing
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12:31 - Mario Bros. VB
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13:17 - Boss Game Studio's unknown Mario pitch
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14:14 - Mario's Castle
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15:14 - Wario Pool
16:05 - Mario Artist: Sound Maker
16:42 - DD Maker series
17:07 - Super Mario 64 2
18:05 - Super Mario 128
19:17 - Yoshi Sample
19:57 - Mario Kart XXL
20:44 - Mario Motors
21:39 - Mario Football / NFL Retro Football
22:41 - Haunt
23:46 - Super Mario Spikers
24:39 - Ubisoft's 2010 pitch of a Mario and Rabbids crossover
25:27 - Mario Kart for Tesla cars
26:07 - Yoshi's Cookie (Wii U Virtual Console)
26:18 - Outro
So can we all agree that Wacky Worlds is actually incredible given what they could accomplish on CD-i hardware?
Everytime i look at that Mario Render from the SM64 2's Cartridge, i can't stop thinking about Mario demanding me to give him my liver
guess that’s why it was scrapped
"Nintendo rejected" comes up a lot.
A second backup game was also made with 2 original characters: Heavy and Metal - oh cool like Rock and Roll... hey wait a minute 🤔
The Haunt game is definitely one of the weirdest entries. Honestly I like the combination of the Yoshi’s Island + Super Mario Sunshine artstyle, but it seems arbitrary to attach it to a Mario side character than just making an original franchise entirely. It’s like if Sega wanted to make a platformer with the Porcupo enemy from Super Mario Bros 2 instead of just making their own original blue hedgehog character, it seems absurdly risky to pitch an original game idea with an original art style and then try to loosely tie it to the Mario series for no reason. In fact, trying to tie in a Boo school that’s fighting off witches would only add more confusion and contradiction to the nightmare of the Mario canon, it would be easier to have it in a separate universe entirely.
You wouldn’t even need to change the character designs, the Yoshi’s Island and Super Mario Sunshine designs for Boos haven’t been used in 26 and 19 years respectively, and no one is going to complain (or sue) that the ghost designs resemble the Boo designs that were specifically used in two games each and then never designed like that again.
Also, I just realized how absurd it is that a game starring a Boo has been closer to getting their own game than Bowser, Daisy, and Waluigi ever have; at least the Boo game was pitched and had great concept art before it got scrapped, the latter ideas haven’t even been suggested!
Actually, a game like Haunt would probably do very well, with the increasing popularity of Boo that I've been seeing recently. Boo is a cute character, and this seems like a cute AU concept which I could see a lot of people getting hyped for. Especially since spooky/horror themes do really well in this day and age. That's just my opinion, though. I personally would have played it!
@@AmbrosiusAmaimon Though it's different, I see the complications that would arrive from OP's argument. Cuteness and character design is great for marketing, but those factors have very little to do with the flawed design concepts they were to utilize.
Haunt did have crucified boos. That probably had a hand in its cancellation.
@@primrosevale1995 Oh, I must have missed that detail, damn
@@AmbrosiusAmaimon They didn't include it in this video but they did show it in a previous video, where they called it a "Christmas Boo."
There was also a Star of David-shaped Boo that used a menorah as a weapon.
It seems like most of these games are 3rd parties making demos with Mario characters and pitching them to Nintendo and then getting rejected.
It's hypocritical for Nintendo to reject the idea of Mario Spikers on the basis that it's "too violent" when they have the Super Smash Bros. franchise.
and strikers for the wii is just as bad
Smash's throws are cartoony and extremely over the top.
Spikers throws look like professional wrestling throws, which *HURT.*
The fact that there has never been a game where Mario uses a plunger as a melee weapon despite him supposedly being a plumber is insane, it seems like the easiest connection to make