How to Use ANY Canister Stove with CHEAPER Butane Bottles
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ม.ค. 2025
- Everybody loves a good canister stove, but we all know that Isobutane canisters are not the cheapest thing in the world. So, can you use ANY of your upright canister stoves with a much CHEAPER standard butane fuel bottle?
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As an avid outdoors person with 5 decades of experiences it wasn't until recently that i had a pocket butane stove stop working im the middle of a bike pacming trip.In the disant past i relied upon white gas or gasoline stoves. After many years I turned to isobutane stoves for convenience and light weight. Anyway the price of isobutane cannisters and their waste is a problem. I noticed the cassette butane cartridges were so much cheaper that it made sense to purchase adapters to use on my stoves. For all last year i used a $10 tripod like mostly plastic and brass cartridge adapter on my old Optimus Crux. Some of us will know what i mean. Anyway this made a good stove better by making it more stable than being on top of an isobutane can, and running on cheaper fuel. However after a year the constant breaking down and assembly led to the contamination of the fuel path. This is not the fault of the equipment; it just happens. The upshot is that it is important to keep the stove parts clean and dry. Humid conditions and fine particles can cause gas stove problems. Additionally, o rings and hose connections are points of failure. The failure of my pocket stove led me to this channel as i wanted to see what others were using these days. I repaired my Optimus and the tripod adapter and the system is back in action. Since then I went on a little spree and bought a few more stoves, stated building alcohol stoves, and a bunch of different adapters. Im using propane a lot more, and have also undergone a white gas renaissance. Camping Moon stuff is high quality. My main issue with using adapters is that they add weight. In fact so much weight is added that it negates the ultra light objective i started out with in my mess kits. Still that doesn't really bother me, as my base weight used to be white gas stoves - so it's not a bad trade off. I've also been using stick stovea and rocket stoves and Kelly Kettles as alternatives on trips and as a form of entertainment. Today we have excellent equipment choices and ways to adapt alternative fuel sources. I'm about to ressurect my old Primus Expedition stove and test it with a butane fuel source - something that will probably work - and see of i can bring that back into the rotation. Boiling water has never been as much fun as it is now. Even wind shields and screens have come a long long way. And don't get me started on heat exchanger pots and kettles!
I often do trips where I hike for a few days, and car camp for a few days. I leave one of these adapters, and standard butane cans in car... hike with out them. Then use them when car camping. Great versatility. Great vid.. thank Ernie!
I have that very adapter and it is absolutely worth it. As you mentioned, an affordable and very useful option. Thank you Ernie. Dave & The Girls
I don't have it yet but on my shopping list. Thanks Ernie for demonstrating this one. Bushyboy Oz.
Asian stores / markets sell the butane cans also sometimes cheaper.
Also the stand on the connection is for safety ( canister can explode) so be aware of other devices without the safety stand. Inside the butane canister is a vent tube that has to be on top where the notch in the collar is. The vent tube releases over pressure.
GOD Bless you and your families
the dip tube end opening (inside the cylinder) point towards the cylinder wall where the notch indicates, the purpose is to allow cylinder to dispense gaseous butane and not liquid butane when the cylinder is in a horizontal position with the notch facing up
Not all device are compatible with liquid fuel, typical ultra light, canister top camp stove without preheat tube is an example
7:03 don't forget that butain is not as good as isobutain in cold weather, it does not evaporate into a gas below the mid 30deg's F whereas isobutain evaporates in the mid 10deg's F
There are also conversion kits that will let you refill an isobutane canister from a cheap butane canister. You might want to check that so you can eliminate the only con as well!
My thought exactly and they cost fraction of the price being much lighter and much more compact if you want to take them on a longer trip.
You saved me typing.
@@czmielek81 But all the canister refill guides I've seen had you putting the empty canister in freezer for 20 minutes before then attaching what you refill from.
The scenario of a home prep stored fuel you're not having to refill at home, you don't have a working freezer (assumed) so you'd use the butane cheaper type directly. So not a backpacking nor a car camping scenario just a home prep scenario.
@@GeekfromYorkshire there are adapter that let you do it without a freezer. They have a button installed that let the excess gas pressure escape and make the liquid flow in room temperature
@@czmielek81 Cool, and of course you can get a remote stove with pre-heat and invert canister options also in the mix. I have a Trangia with that option so I can do gas or alcohol both at cold temps, meths being the most reliable.
Here in the UK we have OEX Konect for around £10. No hose . Gas bottle connects directly to adaptor which has 3 slide out legs to support your burner .Slide the legs against the adaptor for storage and to use with trangia gas burner or other remote gas stoves .
After watching this video, I ordered and got same day delivery. It might be a bit silly, but I just hooked it up to my Firemaple Firefly butane lantern, making it into a remote canister lantern. Worked well. (Other than propane lanterns that run of of large tanks, it's the only remote canister lantern I can recall seeing. )
Great video. I love adapters that allow us to use a product more than one way. I also have an adapter that allows me to use my pocket stove on a green bottle propane tank. That way, I have an extra burner with me when car camping.
The performance gap between the two fuels will increase as temperate decreases. How much? I have no idea. The lack of propane in the cheaper butane canisters will result in less performance at lower temperatures and they mix it in there for a reason.
Thank you for this. We travel a lot and this could be a game changer when we are overseas.
Hi Ernie,
Richard from UK here.
As a subscriber, I catch most of your latest reviews but I have just picked this one up from a year ago. I have used butane canisters with a remote line but have found to my cost that when it is cold, and the atmosphere is damp, the fuel can come out as droplets and can create a huge flair up. It can be quite dangerous and alarming if you are not expecting it. I even burnt my fly on a particularly wet and stormy night. 😢
Ernie, this was very informative (as usual). I normally cook over wood, but I keep an alcohol stove for rainy moments, where I would rather stay under my tarp in porch mode. I am now planning to try replacing the alcohol stove with an Ozark butane, and my concern was how to refill, etc., and not take two small tanks (the 4-oz. butane canister fits inside my Stanley). Thank you for giving advice that encourages me to try the other, and see how it works in my environment. Be safe, and enjoy the forest.
Not sure about USA but in Europe/UK one can purchase Campingaz cylinders that contain isobutane which will work at lower temperatures than butane but won’t have the performance of isobutane/propane gas canister. I use isobutane during the summer and switch for the cooler months of the year.
Thanks for the video!! I have something just like that minus the hose. The can attaches directly to the side of the unit. I like it alot for car camping or a day out at the lake. Works great IMO
Looks like a winner to me. Thanks Doc for the info.
As always great video, appreciate the time you spend doing these….
I think that product is quite versatile and worth the money. Me I prefer filling up canisters with butane canisters by that tiny 1 cm adaptor. Works fine for me and I did not see any drawback in performance compared to an isobutane original in real practice. The only big drawback is that butane is shit below around five degrees celcius. Small 100g cartridges do much worse than the bigger ones by the way, because the cool down by pressure drop even more.
Thx Ernie, good job as always and sorry for the international measure the world uses ;)
avoiding disposable refill free you up with risk and legality concerns
use proper gas mix for the condition, if you have to use ~100% butane when cold, consider giving some heat to the cylinder, soaking the gas cylinder a nice warm (
Thank you for another informative video. I buy those canisters from Asian stores near me when on sale. Can get 4 pach for $5-6 on sale. Now got to order one of those adapters.
Have one arriving from Amazon today!! Thanks.
Nice adapter. I have a isobutane to propane adapter also. Only issue is it puts the stove up pretty high on a propane cannister. It's nice to have options.
That is a nice, well made, bit of kt, and the first adapter I have seen for canister stoves. You mentioned weight. I have a feeling that for canister vs cassette of the same fuel weight, the butane cassette might actually be lighter.
Depending on where you are the world, butane is easier to buy in almost any hardware store, because they are used for blow lamps, which are a standard decorating tool. I use a remote stove and a smaller adaptor because of price and availability of the butane cans.
I have a conversion kit that lets me refill from a butane canister but this is better and ideal for me. Thanks, PaleoHikerMD.
Just bought one , and wow for camping moon store , they have all kinds of gadgets, thanks for the video
As already commented here I simply refill or top off my 4oz isobutane canisters with butane before each outing.
I can get a 4 pack of butane cartridges for $6 at local Asian markets.
Yup, this solves one of the most annoying aspects of canister stoves, the "I'm not paying that for that" on the dumb canisters. Beyond emergency kits, this would be great for car camping as well. If you aren't winter camping, a single burner butane stove costs about $25 bucks and is a good option for basic cooking, especially for only 1-2 people. But sometimes all you want is a quick cup of tea or coffee on your way somewhere, and this would allow that versatility with the same type of fuel for a smaller stove, or else both could be used together but you'd only need to worry about bringing one type of fuel.
I use this for motorcycle camping (smaller bike) so packing fuel can, stove, coffee pouch, cup all inside my simple boiler with a snap lid is the purpose of this stove.
The $5 small cans at BPS or Dicks are priced for buying the disposal can...fuel is basically free. The 250 or 500 ml cans are also $6 to $10 but won't nest inside my boiler.
In a car, I'd just buy the big one and use it a very long time or just buy a propane bottle burner.
The butane skinny hairspray bottles are now $4 so they ain't much cheaper than the $5 JetBoil 100ml can....however if you do find them cheaper...a refill nozzle to transfer fuel is about $3. Paint it hiviz or tape a flag to it, cause if you drop it in leaves...gone.
I have been looking at and reading up on various adaptors. I've seen similar one's to this one. I'll look this one up and have a read.
Good video, does the Butane fuel work better in the cold?
Thanks, Trail Flea
Excellent Product and Review Ernie,,,,
I definitely think I’ll pick one Up,,,,👍👍
I’ve been wanting to get more into butane stove’s,,, thanks
I prefer the tiny kits that let me refill my IsoPro tanks with Butane. It would be nice to see you review one of those.
Yes .. however, home refilling puts the risk and onus onto the user. Looking at the 'Ambulance Chaser find a reason to sue' Legal Cuture in the USA, I would be hesitant to advise this option on a public forum.
@@thomasmusso1147 what risk? While refilling, you’re either going to get the butane into the IsoPro tank or your alignment will be off and it will go into the air, much like when you first screw your stove onto a canister and there’s a puff of fuel that goes out.
Just don’t play with fuel next to an open flame and you’re set.
@@thomasmusso1147 what’s the result of hike refilling that’s going to put one in an ambulance? Again, assuming you don’t refill next to a flame.
I would argue that showing people how to use a stove, which the channel does in almost each video, carries a higher perceived risk based on your post.
I like the idea of refilling the smaller isobutane canisters with cheaper larger isobutane canister. You don't save as much as with straight butane, but you'll still have the cold weather reliability.
Post:
"what risk?"
Same post:
"Just don't play with fuel next to an open flame"
The mix was formulated for low temp high altitude camping. If that’s not an issue for you good solution.
I couldn't help notice that amazing walking cane collection...I noticed you also have a red walkmaster 3000 too! Any chance of a video on some of those babies?!
Great find Ernie! Iso butane has gotten outta hand expensive
I have both of these,but they also make one of exactly like this but w no fuel line….lil smaller and less bulky,both work great
Amazon sells several adapters that are supposed to allow canister stoves to use propane bottles but so far any I bought won't screw onto the propane bottle. This looks like a great way to expand capabilities. Great video Ernie. Have you checked out the pill bottle stove yet?
I have the Lixada propane adaptor(Amazon) and it works great with the Coleman bottles.
I have one as well, for use with the Trangia gas burner. (Also have the alcohol stove, so I have options that way)
Thanks. Been needing this!
Thanks for sharing this video greetings from kapiso mo vlog family have a great day
What's your opinion on using an adapter to refill an isobutane canister?
Ty! I use this adapter on my stoves, it worked for me
Pretty neat! Thanks!
I don’t need this product as I have an adapter to use with the butane cans already BUT I couldn’t resist watching water boil as I don’t get tired of seeing that, lol!
Thanks for the video!!
The butane adaptor I use is much smaller and attached the stove (BRS300T) to the butane canister. Cheaper to buy and just a s quick to boli.
I'd like see a test of this at a higher altitude as well as in colder temps. From what i gather, that's pretty much the whole point of the iso mix. The mix being different between ISO manufacturers is why i use certain brands at colder temp n higher altitude places vs other brands of iso. Id assume straight butane would perform poorly there, but I'd love to see a comparison to give reality to my speculation.
Get the adapter to propane and you will save a lot more. Thanks for video.
Here in Australia these canisters got a bit thin on the ground when the old famous flu was whipping around! I am changing my reliance on these canisters. I can see a similar scenario coming again in the supply line..
Hows the stability while putting on a kettle?
In Aus you can get a small right angle adapter which is about $12.
Another option is to use a small adapter to refil the Isobitain cannister from the cheaper butain cannisters. Then take therefilled isobutain cannister with you. Best of both worlds.
From South Africa Aaaaa you're back ! Here in South Africa, at exchange of 20 : 1 the butain canister costs us R40 ZAR each which is he'll on the budget.
So propane is still the cheapest option.
Can a butane burner work with propane ?
Hi Paleohiker, can you please do a video extending the canister from a cassette style butane stove? Those stoves make me nervous because the heat source is so close to the flame.
You can buy adapters to connect butane canister to you standard canister..in order to refill..been doing this for years.
The boiling point of butane is -2 degrees Celsius so your blue butane gas cylinder might not work as effectively in colder weather as low temperatures make it difficult to produce gas vapour.
So i bought the Camp Chef Stryker 200 on your recommendation as I got it less than $60 shipped, and now I want to get another fuel option for it. I'm not crazy in hearing you say "Any upright stove" and assuming that this will work?
Please review the BRS - 32
Actually, your forgetting the "inbetween" usage cases (in between car camping and hiking/backpacking) this type of adapter also allows you to use the (as you pointed it) much cheaper, tall butane fuel while bicyle/ebicyle camping, motorcycle camping (both of which typically use "saddle bags" which gives the user a little more "packing" space but where you cant use a typical colman type two burner car camping stove, there is also a use by canoests who have room for a "little" more weight than hikers/backpackers but not enough for "car camping" type of equipment (can you tell I volunteer for a Boy scout troop, Lol).
We all need to save money where it'a feasible, and if you go on outings once a month where multipe kids/adults may be using your fuel with multiple stoves, the fuel cost usage starts to become significant.
Regarding the responder that mentioned using the firemaple butane candle/lantern (and there are others). Atthough small rechargable LED type personal lanterns are far safer and usually to use, sometimes a small butane lantern is enough to warm your hands over on a picnic table etc, especially out here in California where an actual campire is forbidden 3/4 of the time due to the wildfie restrictions.
Saving money is saving moneyand those tall butane cans are a lot cheaper.
Just my humble opnion, your milage may vary.
Great posts Paleo, keep em up.
Really looking forward to seeing more white gas and canister hybrid reviews.
Larry
Yes, motorcycle camper here, almost immediately latched onto the idea of better packing with the long narrow cylindrical shape instead of the normal "pancake" canisters.
I think it would be better to have a isobutane to isobutane remote stove adapter with which you could use butane to isobutane or propane to isobutane adapters. That would give you multiple fuel options and especially in the case of propane would avoid having the burner way up high on top of the propane cylinder. So far I’ve only seen two examples of such a device, one by MSR and one by Campingmoon that allows for two isobutane fueled devices to be connected bit has a cap to optionally block one off.
@@philiptong4978 I wasn’t talking about a high flame. What I was talking about was that the propane cylinder is much taller than the isobutane canister putting the burner much higher.
Well here n nz a small can of 230mls is $10 and the large $18
My adapter cost 3 bucks on Amazon several years ago and still ro KS on!
Hey Ernie. Quick question. I have a Browning Pocket stove I got from my grandfather when he passed away. It's identical to the Hank Roberts mini stove. Do you know of any threaded adapters available to make these stoves run on modern fuel bottles such as butane or standard propane bottles.
Quick question; I'm writing book about a plane crash survivor in the early 1970s, what kind of stove and mess gear would he have in his survival vest?
That's pretty neat
A quick question for those that are using an adaptor to transfer gas from one cylinder to another.
Does there come a point where the pressure between the two balances, so leaving you with two only partiality filled cylinders?
Yes you can't fill from a bottle of lower pressure than the target. You can play it a little by freezing the empty can.
So refill from a big can to a small....ie: get the 750 or 500ml (cc) can to fill the small 100cc cans.
Eventually you will be left with about 40 to 50cc in the reservoir can. Just burn that with the stove to use it.
Can you use it with old GAZ stoves?
Love it.
What would your thoughts be on this product compared to simply the iso-butane to butane or propane adapters you could use easily on a remote canister stove? I know propane tank weight sucks but for car camping or preps it's not bad.
Especially if you owned by above-canister and remote-canister stoves already. I have 3 on-canister and 2 remote-canister, one of which is a pre-heat tube for inverting gas to help in colder conditions. I have a butane adapter already from my canister-refilling adapter so I don't personally need to buy what Ernie showed, I have enough of the parts already.
I love campingmoon products
What does remote mean?
As others already mentioned, why not just refill your 4oz canister stove with Butane? I got a refill kit with the Butane adapter. It works out lighter to carry. I've also heard of folks get those huge canisters size of a dog and refill their 100g canisters. Personally I'm worried about pressure and weight differences and just refill my 4oz canisters from my 12oz canisters of the same fuel mix and weigh them knowing the mix is the same density so I can't over-pressurise or under-empty. With a little research of their densities I could figure it out better ( my to-do ).
Personally for my "preps" I use alcohol as I bought it in 5L packs, less of fire risk at home to store than butane (it's not pressurised) and I store in garage where the only real risk is the container leaks and I get a smell. I pair that with a Trangia which is harder to fail. My gas I use for backpacking longer trips, for which gas sweetspot is 5-7 days as I consume 13g gas/day average. So alcohol wins at home for "preps" (safety), backpacking 1-3 days, gas for > 3 days backpacking.
Most of us have tried several options but alcohol stoves for the win in most situations for me.
@@mrmicro22 Not disagreeing but what do you do for a 5 night winter trip scenario? Gas is about 2.5x denser than alcohol.
@@GeekfromYorkshire, I guess in case of REAL winter isobutane mix doesn’t always work. Pure butane boiling point is 30-34°F. Thus alcohol burner is a must in winter.
@@rodrigoroaduterte9415 True, alcohol has its benefits. Typically in winter your trips are shorter so alcohol ends up total less weight, you're more depending on cooking food and there's less to go wrong with alcohol, and you can get alcohol started in all various ways we know.
But I like the fact we can use cheaper fuel too with a gas stove. I have the adapters for that already.
I could have stockpiled Butane but I chose to stockpile alcohol instead purely from a safety perspective knowing it's a bit more awkward to use than gas. I have 5L alcohol container I use spout to refill a 1L Trangia bottle which puts 60ml at a time in my Trangia stove which cooks a meal or two. For short hiking trips I'd carry a 250ml bottle or overnight I have 60ml bottle. Longer trips gas wins on weight and volume.
It is a smart piece of kit,but you can buy adapters cheaper that fit the stove adapter then the bigger canister fits that,
How does this compare to the msr lowdown? Because that's basically what it is
Butane vs isobutane weight and bulk cost comparison
Butane - 8 oz fuel, 4.5 oz can, 12.5 oz total, $2.58 each, $.32 per oz, 1.56 oz per oz
Isobutane - 3.5 oz fuel, 3.5 oz can, 7 oz total, price $6.33 each/ $1.83 per oz, 2 oz per oz
Stove is an original Pocket Rocket@ 3.1 oz (a Pocket Rocket 2 is 2.6 oz but I have a PR1)
For 16 oz fuel of butane (2 cans), adapter - 7 oz, 25 oz fuel weight, 35.1 oz total (w/PR1), $5.16 total fuel cost
Total weight of butane empties is 9 oz, plus adapter is 16 oz you're packing home
For 16 oz fuel of isobutane (4.5 cans), 32 oz fuel weight, 35.1 oz total (W/PR1) , $28.50 total fuel cost
Total weight of isobutane empties is 15.75 oz
So in sum, for 16oz of either fuel, you'd pack in 35.1 oz (including the adapter for the butane) and pack out just 1/4 oz more with the butane canisters vs isobutane.
In reality since you'd need 5 full isobutane canisters, add packing a 1/2 canister (3.5 oz) home. or 3.25 oz more than with butane.
$5.16 butane vs $28.50 isobutane for basically the same weight.
I'll go with butane!
For a lighter option take a look at a SANWOOD Butane Gas Triangle Converter.
What’s the real world lowest temp use for 100% butane?
I don’t understand- which one is not upright?
Ernie...Sorry for the question but I have a question, how is the Ozark Trail 4-in-1 Stove with Stand from Walmart actually be a 4 in 1 stove? My video on this product is as, an amateur...first time gazer if you will...all Walmart products should not be so controversial...UNGH! I shot my own video but still cannot see it as a 4 in 1 unless its iso-butane as third version...and that's only 3 if you catch my meaning.
Butane isnt that good in cold weather but enjoy the cost saving in summer.
Fuel flexibility vs stowage space ... I'm in
Lately I’ve seen Butane at my ACE hardware at the same price of an IsoPro tank at REI. 😧
"Butane is a bastard gas." - Hank Hill
Butane gas has more calorific meaning it burns hotter than propane but propane works in the cold.
When weight and bulk isn't an issue, propane tends to be my choice.
I had to Soto stove no adapters work on them work on my other stoves not Soto
Before isobutane we used white gas and a pump!
It is probably very durable. Exept the plastic part.
About $10 for four of the long ones
👍🏻👍🏻
Weight is the reason I take a biomass wood stove wood is everywhere
Pass
There is a similar version of this adapter without the hose and it is more compact
Compact and useless for canister top mounting stoves. Can you balance a pot on a top mounting stove on a narrow butane cylinder put on irregular ground ?
It's not a viable option now as it's so expensive to buy gas canisters
Here it's called butain
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Two cons for me: One, the stove and pot ends up being too high off the ground. I know it will fall over more likely than not, as the center of gravity is just too high. Using it on a stable kitchen counter is one thing, in the field another. Two, I've used butane canisters on stoves made for them, and the burn time is much less than isobutane canisters on stoves made for them. To see if you would really save any money with this, you need to do a test that reflects how much it actually costs to boil equal amounts of water; this test didn't do that. . So as performed. I'd have to say that your test didn't really prove that you'd save money with this. And if it does show that you might save some money, would it be enough to justify the cost, weight and space that it takes up. As always, I appreciate your videos, but sorry for the negativity on this one.
Just another comment to highlight the potential safety concerns of these butane canisters. They must be used in the correct orientation or they turn your stove into a flamethrower. He should have mentioned this. Go read a proper guide before you use one.
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You just made a clunky remote canister stove for extra cost. Just buy a purpose built remote... The comparison of burn time is immaterial. Why would that effect boil time? Now/Ernie you didn't tell us how to use butane in uprites in another way. You obviously don't know yet.
Can no longer purchase isobutane or butane in the People’s Democratic Republic of California.
This is fake news.
@@TheCyberspaceCowboy would have already done it if I could afford it. Retired and fixed income.
WHY Do you play music while these stoves are in operation?????? Noise is also a concern with these stoves! At least allow a few seconds of sound during operation so we can consider that factor...