Hey guys I missed a couple really important things in this video and I wanted to make sure you have ALL the correct info, so please go watch this update video I did on this swap here: th-cam.com/video/62S80HnnJ1c/w-d-xo.html
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Hello, Master of the gen 3 hemi. I have a quick question. Today when I started my 2011 Chrysler 300c (173k miles) I noticed what sounded like a pretty loud lifter tick for the first 3 seconds, but then it went away. Is this anything I should be worried about? Should I soon replace my lifters using one of your tutorials, or do you think it could be something else? Thanks for your time.
Modern Muscle Xtreme has parts for this conversion....primarily, the intake manifold spacers that allow you to use the pre-eagle manifold on the eagle intake side. I have had this same swap sitting, waiting for a week I can do without my daily.
I want to point out, that you can actually put the old pre-eagle MAP sensor into the eagle intake, and won't need to change the connector. I tried this earlier. Both sensors are slightly different but the tube that goes into the manifold is the same.
Great educational video and identified some real hidden things with regards to the Eagle heads upgrade. Love these type of videos. Keep up the good work 👍
I just wanted to say thank you for your video on the Barton short shifter install I used your install video to install it and my Challenger yesterday it was a lot easier than I thought it would be by watching your video it was absolutely worth every penny I spent on that shifter thank you again
When i did the egale head swap on my 06 charger i decided to swap the pistons out to the egale ones as well. Also the pre 2008 fuel rail dose bolt right up to the 2009 up intake so you dont have to mess with the fuel line. also the stock 2009 up exhaust manifolds bolted right up to the cats.
Great video. I did this swap a few months back. And basically had to do and swap everything you had mentioned. The one thing i had to change other than that is the springs as i put a comp cam and is needed the higher pressure springs to hold up. All and all, car didnt need a tune to drive but i did get one to have it run better. And with the egr gone and turned off, the car does waste a lot more gas.
which cam? i did same went with comp 220 stage 2 with eagles heads and 70 cometic gasket... im at the pushrod size stage and measured em so hopefully i got right sizing
One more thing that i think may be handy. I thought the earlier like 03 to 08 model heads had a chance (likely when overheated a crap ton) of dropping the seats. Havn't heard anything about that and the new eagle heads. So more flow intake and exhaust, better compression ratio and a more stout head. Got me thinking about my poor old 06 Daytona Charger. Its not bad, but its no power monster.
Sky, I love your videos. I’m located in Oregon as well, and I’m curious about those intake plates to mount your supercharger. I’m excited to watch your videos roll out and see the end result
so when I wanna cam my 08 charger Rt.. after I change the heads to eagle head .....do I get a CAM FROM A 2008 AND EARLIER OR 2009 AND NEWER .. ?? plz lmk
I've got a couple of questions but first some background. I was a Chrysler advisor for approx 10 years and finally escaped from industry about 18 months ago. Also, I'm not a typical advisor who knows nothing about cars. I've done all the work on this and many other cars I've owned. I have an 06 300 CSRT which is on it 4th set of lifters. However, last year when the 3rd set failed (always #5 intake lifter) it took out the cam and also spun a cam bearing. So, I pulled the the engine and used it as an excuse to do a 426. Sent the bottom end to our machine shop and had them perform all the machining and assem the bottom end. Put it all together and it ran like a top. Then around 3k miles on it I started noticing what sounded like a slight rod knock. UNBELIEVABE!!!! So I parked it considered committing hara-kiri seppuku! Anyway, now that its "cooling off" here (houston) I'm finally mentally ready to pull it and see WTF is going on. So my questions are 1) do you know if the Eagle cyl heads flow better over the stock casting SRT heads? 2) do you know of a way to safely pull & reinstall the crank (assuming I just have a bad bearing and no other damage) without pulling the heads? 3) can you give me the torque specs on assembling the bottom end as I've never done this and no longer have access to dealerconnect.com Thanks for any info!!!
Hey, check the CCs of the heads relative to the pistons on the 2 different engine designs. The eagle ENGINE is 10.5:1, but the engines use different pistons. If you take the eagle heads and swap them to a pre-eagle engine, the compression ratio is 11:1 or higher, which could really be a problem if you're going to boost your engine. I can't find reliable data for piston dish/deck clearance volume for both engines to calculate comp ratio.
This is correct. Your compression ratio will be sky high with the OEM gasket. Cometic sells a .070” thick MLS gasket that you can use to lower the CR. I have also seen guys double the factory gaskets which measure around .030”
@@benhenry511 I'm trying to figure out where this information is coming from, since I have direct access to Chrysler as a tech and all my information says the pistons are identical measurement wise. Not saying it's not true, just trying to understand who said in the beginning that the compression ratio is going to be higher than the stock eagle head ratio of 10.5:1
@@ReignitedAuto I’ve read it on forums, and talked to a few guys at the meet that run the eagle heads. Maybe you should debunk the myth or prove it correct and save your pistons
The pre-Eagle 5.7L they used in that comparison was handicapped by the carbureted intake manifold in my opinion. Unlike older small blocks, the Gen 3 Hemi ports and chambers (as well as GM LS and Ford Modulars) were designed in flow analysis programs to only use port fuel injection and a dry manifold. Introducing fuel to the air at the port is critical to getting a good mixture and seeing the best potential for these engines. Using a carburetor and a generic dual plane manifold is a lot simpler, but you're leaving a lot on the table. The Eagle heads are definitely a massive improvement over the early 5.7L and on par with the 6.1L heads, but I think the manifold exaggerated the difference significantly. They should have used a 2005-2008 car manifold for a better comparison.
I wonder if you could instead of using the o ring seal on the intake. Make yourself a flat gasket that matches the eagle ports. Then port match your old intake to the eagle heads and right stuff the gaskets to the old intake? You could keep your EGR ? I believe you could drill your eagle heads to accept egr? Bang for the buck
You would see if you were able to overlay the older VS the newer intake ports, but they don't perfectly cover each other, there's a gap that is visible so there's no way to achieve full sealing with just a gasket, you'd have to machine up an adapter plate. You can indeed drill the Eagle heads for the EGR though.
@ReignitedAuto I installed a vvt style block and heads in my 07 charger. The engine runs great no codes related to the swap but my accessories are a nightmare. I ordered a newer style alternator and plug. Will the ECU in my 07 regulate it? Or will I have to use an external kit with an old style regulator? AC won't line up either. I ordered another one and hoses.
@egodeathplease the accessories are indeed a pain with the newer block. The PCM will control the alternator just fine, just make sure the pins for the plug aren't reversed, they did that sometimes on the newer alternators.
@ReignitedAuto ya the extra space for the vvt makes it a pain. I see them installing external old style Mopar regulators on them. They don't seem to care wich wire goes where since it's ac.
@egodeathplease i have one on the alternator in my C10 with the 392 because it's a holley terminator ECU. If you've still got the factory ECU just let that control it.
The EGR setup would be nice to delete Skye, but how will it effect my PCM on my 06 Datona R/T?? Will it just set an engine light only or will it run like crap not seeing the signal from the EGR?? I would love to make this swap along with a 392 intake!! OOPS my bad, I missed your answer on the tuner, I have a basic Diablo tuner for the MDS delete but I don't think it will delete the EGR!!
Great video and I think this eagle swap is going to get you a lot of visitors. (I'd put eagle head swap or something into the title). I do think the 09+ pistons are different though. Not sure if the compression height or even dome volume is different, but the tops look different, and I believe the pre-09 use a 1.5mm top ring, but I think the 09+ runs a 1.2mm top ring. If I was throwing the eagle heads on and not doing an entire refresh, then I would just run the stock pistons though, no matter what kind you got. I filed my first set of rings for my LS build (I'm using 0.030" because it's going to see a lot of boost). One tip I recommend is to file the set and then leave them in the cylinder you filed them for. Because each cylinder is going to be slightly different. Also, go slow when filing, and only file one side of the ring as the factory end will always be more square than the edge you do. For my LS set of rings, the top moly ring was very hard metal, so it took a lot of grinding to size it. But the second iron ring was much softer, so be prepared to take off gap much faster with a softer second ring. You should also rotate the ring filer in such a way that the grinding wheel pushes "down" when you file, so it doesn't try to lift the ring as you go. Looking forward to the rest of the series!
Just did a quick check on RockAuto and it showed the pistons as different, with the eagle having a shorter compression height. Sky, I think your motor is going to be over 11:1 compression with the factory head gasket. I know MMX or someone sells Eagle heads with combustion chambers they open up to drop the compression just for this swap.
I've got a 2015 block sitting right next to this engine, I'm going to remove the pistons and compare them side by side and also check the deck height to see if there's any difference between the two, thanks guys 👍
I have a 6.1 block and heads I want to build something with ! Also have an 05 5.7 complete engine . Still trying to decide if I wanna go nitrous or turbo 😈
Are the rod bolts one time use? Do the rod bolts need replacement after taking the rods off the crankshaft? Does replacing the rod bolts require resizing the rod ends?
Couldn't help but notice you're wearing a hoodie during this whole video. And I just wanted to say I live in Kerrville Texas not far from where you were it's 108 today just a reminder
I have a chance to get a pair of 6.1 heads. I know they don't flow as well as the eagle heads. Do they have the same small combustion chambers as the eagle heads? Will I need different pistons to use them on my 03-08 5.7?
What are you planning on doing to lower the compression? See alot of people run thicker head gaskets but then end up with custom length pushrods to match.
Would the valves be longer because the contact point in the combustion chamber has changed? Since they technically sit lower, because of the smaller combustion chamber?
Question, is there enough meat on the old style heads to be ported out to match the flow of the eagle heads? and would it be cheaper to buy a eagle engine out of the junk yard as buying every thing to make the eagle head work? By the way keep up the good work in showing the potential of the 3 gen hemi
Love your info but you did miss a little info. Eagle and 6.1 not quite the same head. Basically they are similar but not identical Also: Have you double checked the math on the compression ratio? Popular theory is, without a thick head gasket you’ll be up around 12:1. I’ve not done one myself but a lot of info out there about this. Just curious….
Question, I have my 08 5.7 already set up with a 6.1 intake manifold and the mmx intake manifold gasket to get the proper flow out of the intake, will this intake fit with the eagle heads? Just put a camshaft in as well, this sounds like I could be getting some more power let me know what you think please
Do you have any insight on this engine swap: 2019 ram 5.7 etorque into a 2012 ram 5.7? Of course the etorque will be removed. I believe the crank sensor, knock sensor, flex plate, timing cover and oil cooler are some of the differences. I just completed a full rebuild of my original motor thanks to your videos. But unfortunately I still have a small oil leak into my coolant. Heads went to shop and came back good. Trucks runs great no overheating after 300 miles and ltft are all in spec. No coolant in oil. I suspect a small leak in the block.
ok very good video like the step by step ? i want to ask u say to delete the EGR? but will doing so still pass emissions? pcm has to go through its cycle to do its test ? and sense u have the eagle heads by looking at them can u drill out the hole for the EGR ? sense the bolt holes are there ?
If you live in a state that requires emissions testing then this isn't a great option. You can actually drill the cylinder head to make the EGR functional, but this means you'd have to use your original intake manifold, which means purchasing the adapter plates from MMX.
Great info, I'm thinking about doing an Eagle head swap on my pre-eagle block and this video will come in handy when building my checklist. Eagle heads, eagle head gaskets, eagle intake and reuse the valve covers. Did you have to replace any push rods after replacing the rocker arms?
So if the int/exh ports are larger on the eagle heads and give better air flow but you can use the stock manifolds or aftermarket headers from the earlier 03-08s, shouldn't there be some port matching or else restriction can occur? Also, are head bolts TTY bolts? Why reuse them if they are previous bolts and stretched?
You're correct, the exhaust manifolds would benefit from being matched. The intake manifolds are not interchangeable so those ports will match the correct manifold. The head bolts are not torque to yield therefore they ARE reusable. This comes directly from the Chrysler service information. One reason there is confusion on this topic is because the bolts are torque to angle, which is just an alternate method of torquing them down. Think of it this way. If you were torquing a bolt to 55ft lbs, it's that any different than telling someone to torque the bolt to 30ft lbs, and then an additional 30 degrees? Both would result in the final torque number being 55, it doesn't mean that the one you finished torquing down by angle is now stretched and can't be used. I hope that clarifies it. 👍
@@ReignitedAuto good to know about the head bolts. I have a 04 5.7 with Pacesetter LTs. I wonder how the ports line up and if not, the solution? Super hard to find good LTs these days.
@@ReignitedAuto thanks. I would definitely prefer to stick with them as again they're just super hard to find these days for anything early 3rd gen. Definitely doing some more research on this but this 6.4 upgrade looks to be on the menu
Hey man, I got a 05 block with 392 stroker kit from Manley, I’m gonna run the eagle heads, just want your input on what coil packs to use, will the 05 truck coil packs work correctly?
It's only going to be single turbo, this engine will be supercharged and turbocharged. To answer your question the whole system will be custom fabricated. 👍
Question. I know we talked before about my 06 charger rt with 2013 heads setup. I went with a .070 thick head gasket because of compression ratio being high but would a stock head gasket be fine if i run premium gas. I run premium anyways
I have a 2006 dodge charger daytona with a recently built engine. I want to swap the heads to a 2009 so i wont drop a valve seat. Is it necessary with a rebuilt engine
i need some information just bought a 2009 ram 2500 hemi 4wd it has the 235 mm front axle which i think is a 9 1/4" any way it has a raised pinion kinda looks like the diff was turned over but its factory never seen on a dodge seen them on fords am i correct
Unfortunately no, the newer crank is designed for the VVT system and has a different snout length than the older crank. They look very similar but aren't interchangeable.
@@warrenrodrigues6248 I agree it's your choice, I don't agree with telling others that they must do the same. Especially when Chrysler themselves say that the head bolts are reusable.
I have an unrelated question I have a 2003 5.7 hemi and I bought a harmonic balancer for it but it looks like the 2009 and up and it’s the only one I can find new for a 2003 would I be able to use it
Are the lifters for A 03-08 hemi The same as the lifters in the 09 and newer? Aka are there any differents in The pre eagle lifters versus the eagle lifters. Especially in regards to the MDS lifters.
Theu are basically the same until 2016 when they updated the lifter roller bearings to a thicker style. The updated versions are the only ones available now and they'll fit any Hemi engine back to 2003. 👍
the eagle heads are 20cc less than the pre eagles.. the eagle heads are oval shaped and not a true hemispherical head design.. according to chrysler, the intake runners were improved on the eagle engines. the eagle heads are said to flow 14 percent better than the pre eagles, BUT, as I said, the eagle heads have 20 cc less volume.. so can u explain how the eagle heads are better than the pre eagle heads? in my mind, they about equal out, due to the chamber volume vs the flow?
not trying to argue, just to understand.. ok if you have higher compression, but a smaller explosion when the fuel is ignited , due to a smaller combustion chambers holding less fuel mixture, , how can it create more horsepower, also the higher the combustion pressures, the more difficult to ignite the gas mixture.
what it looks like to me, is in a way, they robbed peter, to pay paul.. they went to the oval shaped combustion chamber, to be able to cut more material out of the head to get more flow. raising the compression ratio, and the flow would seem to create a better gas mileage situation to me, rather than more power.. Ive seen s 1/4 miles tests between stock chrysler 300s with the pre eagle, and eagle engines, and the eagles are about 1 second quicker.. the vid said the eagle engine is around 30 pounds heavier.. the pre eagles had MDS, but no VVT.. The eagles have VVT but no MDS... to me it seems that the VVT is likely what is giving the eagle engines the slightly better performance, and not the changes to the cylinder heads and intake... your thoughts? .
also the fact that the oval shaped combustion chambers are not really hemispherical in design, brings alot of questions.. its common knowledge that the true hemi head design has been unmatched in performance since the 1950s, and as far as I know, dodge still is not allowed to compete in nascar, due to its design,, in the 70s dodge was banned, because nobody could keep up with them..
@randy1ization the eagle engines do have MDS as well. I think the eagle engines are an upgrade in every way. The VVT definitely takes advantage of the increased flow from the cylinder heads, but it's a combination of a lot of small changes that make the eagle engines better. For outright reliability I like the pre eagle engines, but any metric of power and the eagle runs away with it.
Nice video great info especially being I have an 06 I thought was ready to go. I’ve converted to carb with mds electronics but looks like now I need to swap heads. Thank. It’s headed into my 71 Demon. MOPAR2YA
Sky, I love your videos. I’m located in Oregon as well, and I’m curious about those intake plates to mount your supercharger. I’m excited to watch your videos roll out and see the end result
The EGR hole is drilled from the front of the head, and from the exhaust flange side, where the two holes intersect is where the 90 degrees happens. I've heard of some eagle head vehicles with EGR, but still haven't seen any yet. I'd love to see some pictures if you find one.
Wonderful, thanks a lot for chiming in so fast. Actually I haven't seen one either, just read they are out there. Well, I am going to drill it. Looks like eagle heads are better compared to 6.1 heads, at least from what I have read. Problem is, I haven't found a single dyno comparing them. Some say closed chamber (eagle) design is better for power output, some say open chamber are better for emissions...But there are numbers missing. I am torn between the two yet am inclined toward eagle ones as they should have higher port velocity. At the same though I want to stroke the engine and have no idea how that complements the build.@@ReignitedAuto
@compprufus something to be careful about: if you're using the eagle heads and drilling the pet for the EGR, where are you going to run the tube that goes into the intake? There is no provision for that on the newer intake manifolds as far as I'm aware, and you cannot use your original intake with the eagle head swap unless you're using adapter plates.
I am aware of that. I was thinking first about 6.1 manifold since it's aluminum and I as a hobbyist am more proficient with alu welding than plastic welding :D but then heard of 6.4 intake being better match. I was thinking of epoxying in a barb (though I admit, I have no idea how are the gases let inside pre eagle intake manifold (my car is constantly being serviced)) and connect the hose onto that barb. As much shaggy solution that looks like, open up a Motortend, you'll find an article about somebody fixing port runners with epoxy to raise the port velocity. Then there is the other solution and that is to mill myself an adapter plate between heads and 5.7 intake but that doesn't seem like much fun. @@ReignitedAuto
@compprufus there's no question it can be done. For myself is much rather just eliminate the EGR and get a tuner to shut it off for good, but I live in a state without emissions testing so it's easy for me to say that.
Hey guys I missed a couple really important things in this video and I wanted to make sure you have ALL the correct info, so please go watch this update video I did on this swap here: th-cam.com/video/62S80HnnJ1c/w-d-xo.html
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Hello, Master of the gen 3 hemi. I have a quick question. Today when I started my 2011 Chrysler 300c (173k miles) I noticed what sounded like a pretty loud lifter tick for the first 3 seconds, but then it went away. Is this anything I should be worried about? Should I soon replace my lifters using one of your tutorials, or do you think it could be something else? Thanks for your time.
Modern Muscle Xtreme has parts for this conversion....primarily, the intake manifold spacers that allow you to use the pre-eagle manifold on the eagle intake side. I have had this same swap sitting, waiting for a week I can do without my daily.
Very cool, I did not know that 👍
@Jason Phelan Yes, MMX and Holley has adapters for that swap.
YEEES!!! I’m glad there will be a definitive how to of this finally! Thank you!
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I want to point out, that you can actually put the old pre-eagle MAP sensor into the eagle intake, and won't need to change the connector. I tried this earlier. Both sensors are slightly different but the tube that goes into the manifold is the same.
False. The tubes are different. Ealge tube and throttle body are slightly larger
Great educational video and identified some real hidden things with regards to the Eagle heads upgrade. Love these type of videos. Keep up the good work 👍
Excellent Video. I love the assembly and fabrication sides. Looking forward to it.
Thank you for this video! Answered a lot of questions I had 👍
I just wanted to say thank you for your video on the Barton short shifter install I used your install video to install it and my Challenger yesterday it was a lot easier than I thought it would be by watching your video it was absolutely worth every penny I spent on that shifter thank you again
When i did the egale head swap on my 06 charger i decided to swap the pistons out to the egale ones as well. Also the pre 2008 fuel rail dose bolt right up to the 2009 up intake so you dont have to mess with the fuel line. also the stock 2009 up exhaust manifolds bolted right up to the cats.
Good info 👊
How did u seat your intake manifold
Also which one did you go with
this is my favorite build of yours so far, Super excited for the fabrication portion!
So cool to see this upgrades on the 5.7
Making me want to do an eagle swap on my ‘08 wk
Been waiting on this video for months now lol I’m excited!
Woohoo!!!!! I haven't watched the video yet but I'm sooo excited!!!!
Great video. I did this swap a few months back. And basically had to do and swap everything you had mentioned. The one thing i had to change other than that is the springs as i put a comp cam and is needed the higher pressure springs to hold up. All and all, car didnt need a tune to drive but i did get one to have it run better. And with the egr gone and turned off, the car does waste a lot more gas.
And the thicker .070 head gaskets
which cam? i did same went with comp 220 stage 2 with eagles heads and 70 cometic gasket... im at the pushrod size stage and measured em so hopefully i got right sizing
Mine was a custom comp cam but mild 216 I believe it was.
Love it! Tons of great information
One more thing that i think may be handy. I thought the earlier like 03 to 08 model heads had a chance (likely when overheated a crap ton) of dropping the seats. Havn't heard anything about that and the new eagle heads. So more flow intake and exhaust, better compression ratio and a more stout head. Got me thinking about my poor old 06 Daytona Charger. Its not bad, but its no power monster.
That's correct, they fixed the valve seat issues with the eagle heads 👍
The fans want to see the challenger 5.7 with the 6.4 cam on the dyno!
Just released in Dec 2021 Melling High Volume oil pump for hemi engine PN# 10342HV
Sky, I love your videos. I’m located in Oregon as well, and I’m curious about those intake plates to mount your supercharger. I’m excited to watch your videos roll out and see the end result
really enjoyed have been planning on installing a set of eagle heads on pre eagle motor
Great video. Looking forward to the progress!
Great info. My 06 grand Cherokee valve seat drop. Thinking buying used engines and doing some upgrades to it.
so when I wanna cam my 08 charger Rt.. after I change the heads to eagle head .....do I get a CAM FROM A 2008 AND EARLIER OR 2009 AND NEWER .. ?? plz lmk
Has to be 08 or older 👍
I've got a couple of questions but first some background. I was a Chrysler advisor for approx 10 years and finally escaped from industry about 18 months ago. Also, I'm not a typical advisor who knows nothing about cars. I've done all the work on this and many other cars I've owned. I have an 06 300 CSRT which is on it 4th set of lifters. However, last year when the 3rd set failed (always #5 intake lifter) it took out the cam and also spun a cam bearing. So, I pulled the the engine and used it as an excuse to do a 426. Sent the bottom end to our machine shop and had them perform all the machining and assem the bottom end. Put it all together and it ran like a top. Then around 3k miles on it I started noticing what sounded like a slight rod knock. UNBELIEVABE!!!! So I parked it considered committing hara-kiri seppuku! Anyway, now that its "cooling off" here (houston) I'm finally mentally ready to pull it and see WTF is going on. So my questions are 1) do you know if the Eagle cyl heads flow better over the stock casting SRT heads? 2) do you know of a way to safely pull & reinstall the crank (assuming I just have a bad bearing and no other damage) without pulling the heads? 3) can you give me the torque specs on assembling the bottom end as I've never done this and no longer have access to dealerconnect.com Thanks for any info!!!
Hey, check the CCs of the heads relative to the pistons on the 2 different engine designs. The eagle ENGINE is 10.5:1, but the engines use different pistons. If you take the eagle heads and swap them to a pre-eagle engine, the compression ratio is 11:1 or higher, which could really be a problem if you're going to boost your engine. I can't find reliable data for piston dish/deck clearance volume for both engines to calculate comp ratio.
I've got a 2015 block sitting right next to this engine, I'll take a look at the deck height and pistons to see if I can spot any new info 👍
This is correct. Your compression ratio will be sky high with the OEM gasket. Cometic sells a .070” thick MLS gasket that you can use to lower the CR. I have also seen guys double the factory gaskets which measure around .030”
@@benhenry511 I'm trying to figure out where this information is coming from, since I have direct access to Chrysler as a tech and all my information says the pistons are identical measurement wise. Not saying it's not true, just trying to understand who said in the beginning that the compression ratio is going to be higher than the stock eagle head ratio of 10.5:1
@@ReignitedAuto I’ve read it on forums, and talked to a few guys at the meet that run the eagle heads. Maybe you should debunk the myth or prove it correct and save your pistons
@@benhenry511 for sure I'd like to get to the bottom of it either way.
I don’t know about reusing head bolts usually tty but I have heard lots of people do that
It's a common misconception that hemi head bolts are torque to yield, but they are not. 👍
Thank you!
Engine masters made me embarrassed to have a pre-eagle engine! Pooch I believe was the word.
The pre-Eagle 5.7L they used in that comparison was handicapped by the carbureted intake manifold in my opinion. Unlike older small blocks, the Gen 3 Hemi ports and chambers (as well as GM LS and Ford Modulars) were designed in flow analysis programs to only use port fuel injection and a dry manifold. Introducing fuel to the air at the port is critical to getting a good mixture and seeing the best potential for these engines. Using a carburetor and a generic dual plane manifold is a lot simpler, but you're leaving a lot on the table.
The Eagle heads are definitely a massive improvement over the early 5.7L and on par with the 6.1L heads, but I think the manifold exaggerated the difference significantly. They should have used a 2005-2008 car manifold for a better comparison.
I agree with both of you 😄
Non mds lifters have no specific allocation right? No rear/front
That's correct. The plastic yokes the lifters sit in are different as well, so you'll need those along with the new lifters.
When you say a more aggressive camshaft,what would you suggest for a more aggressive camshaft?
Another great video Sky
I wonder if you could instead of using the o ring seal on the intake. Make yourself a flat gasket that matches the eagle ports. Then port match your old intake to the eagle heads and right stuff the gaskets to the old intake? You could keep your EGR ? I believe you could drill your eagle heads to accept egr? Bang for the buck
You would see if you were able to overlay the older VS the newer intake ports, but they don't perfectly cover each other, there's a gap that is visible so there's no way to achieve full sealing with just a gasket, you'd have to machine up an adapter plate. You can indeed drill the Eagle heads for the EGR though.
@ReignitedAuto I installed a vvt style block and heads in my 07 charger. The engine runs great no codes related to the swap but my accessories are a nightmare. I ordered a newer style alternator and plug. Will the ECU in my 07 regulate it? Or will I have to use an external kit with an old style regulator? AC won't line up either. I ordered another one and hoses.
@egodeathplease the accessories are indeed a pain with the newer block. The PCM will control the alternator just fine, just make sure the pins for the plug aren't reversed, they did that sometimes on the newer alternators.
@ReignitedAuto ya the extra space for the vvt makes it a pain. I see them installing external old style Mopar regulators on them. They don't seem to care wich wire goes where since it's ac.
@egodeathplease i have one on the alternator in my C10 with the 392 because it's a holley terminator ECU. If you've still got the factory ECU just let that control it.
Another great video!
I wouldn’t reuse the headbolts. The headbolts are torque to yield. And the 6.1 heads flow more than the Eagle heads but not by much.
Common misconception on the head bolts, they are not torque to yield.
The EGR setup would be nice to
delete Skye, but how will it effect
my PCM on my 06 Datona R/T??
Will it just set an engine light only
or will it run like crap not seeing the
signal from the EGR?? I would love
to make this swap along with a 392
intake!! OOPS my bad, I missed your
answer on the tuner, I have a basic
Diablo tuner for the MDS delete but
I don't think it will delete the EGR!!
any advice on building a 6.1 with a static 12:1 compression ratio? aiming for the occasional nitrous hit. want to stay naturally aspirated.
Please show how to rewire the 3 wire sensor
Love this channel!! I have a 06 300c 5.7 an just got some srt headers what gasket do i use since the ports are different?? Hope you can help thankyou
As far as the cylinder heads all you have to do is get them ported instead of getting 09 and newer heads
Great video and I think this eagle swap is going to get you a lot of visitors. (I'd put eagle head swap or something into the title). I do think the 09+ pistons are different though. Not sure if the compression height or even dome volume is different, but the tops look different, and I believe the pre-09 use a 1.5mm top ring, but I think the 09+ runs a 1.2mm top ring. If I was throwing the eagle heads on and not doing an entire refresh, then I would just run the stock pistons though, no matter what kind you got.
I filed my first set of rings for my LS build (I'm using 0.030" because it's going to see a lot of boost). One tip I recommend is to file the set and then leave them in the cylinder you filed them for. Because each cylinder is going to be slightly different. Also, go slow when filing, and only file one side of the ring as the factory end will always be more square than the edge you do. For my LS set of rings, the top moly ring was very hard metal, so it took a lot of grinding to size it. But the second iron ring was much softer, so be prepared to take off gap much faster with a softer second ring. You should also rotate the ring filer in such a way that the grinding wheel pushes "down" when you file, so it doesn't try to lift the ring as you go.
Looking forward to the rest of the series!
Just did a quick check on RockAuto and it showed the pistons as different, with the eagle having a shorter compression height. Sky, I think your motor is going to be over 11:1 compression with the factory head gasket. I know MMX or someone sells Eagle heads with combustion chambers they open up to drop the compression just for this swap.
@@DRick-jh2gt same, read from many forums that Eagle swap will bump CR to 11-11.3 range.
I've got a 2015 block sitting right next to this engine, I'm going to remove the pistons and compare them side by side and also check the deck height to see if there's any difference between the two, thanks guys 👍
Can you put 6.4 heads on the 5.7 block
So, HP Tuners? Joker Cam?
I have a 6.1 block and heads I want to build something with ! Also have an 05 5.7 complete engine . Still trying to decide if I wanna go nitrous or turbo 😈
Are the rod bolts one time use?
Do the rod bolts need replacement after taking the rods off the crankshaft?
Does replacing the rod bolts require resizing the rod ends?
Finally! I need you to come help me finish my 2006 TT stroker 392 charger
This video brings back all those hours of me grinding my rings to be a ready forced induction stroker
Couldn't help but notice you're wearing a hoodie during this whole video. And I just wanted to say I live in Kerrville Texas not far from where you were it's 108 today just a reminder
😂 my wife and I were looking at the temp this week in Georgetown, Sheesh!
I have a chance to get a pair of 6.1 heads. I know they don't flow as well as the eagle heads. Do they have the same small combustion chambers as the eagle heads? Will I need different pistons to use them on my 03-08 5.7?
What are you planning on doing to lower the compression? See alot of people run thicker head gaskets but then end up with custom length pushrods to match.
Would the valves be longer because the contact point in the combustion chamber has changed? Since they technically sit lower, because of the smaller combustion chamber?
I would also like to understand what tuner to buy?
I wish u were here in texas… i gotta 2014 5.7, just trying to get a 392 cam put it in, u could even make content out of it lol
Question, is there enough meat on the old style heads to be ported out to match the flow of the eagle heads? and would it be cheaper to buy a eagle engine out of the junk yard as buying every thing to make the eagle head work?
By the way keep up the good work in showing the potential of the 3 gen hemi
Love your info but you did miss a little info. Eagle and 6.1 not quite the same head. Basically they are similar but not identical
Also: Have you double checked the math on the compression ratio? Popular theory is, without a thick head gasket you’ll be up around 12:1. I’ve not done one myself but a lot of info out there about this. Just curious….
I've got a 2015 block sitting right next to this engine, I'll try to comparethe two to see if I can find any differences. 👍
Question, I have my 08 5.7 already set up with a 6.1 intake manifold and the mmx intake manifold gasket to get the proper flow out of the intake, will this intake fit with the eagle heads? Just put a camshaft in as well, this sounds like I could be getting some more power let me know what you think please
I haven't had a 6.1 in front of me to test, but from what I understand, yes the 6.1 manifold bolts correctly to the eagle heads. 👍
I have a ported 6.1 intake for my 5.7 will that fit on the eagle heads
On adding ring gap. Curious, what would be an adequate on 6.1 hemi?
Nice clean shop,,!
Would any upgraded intake manifold fit? Since we can't use our old one
Do you have any insight on this engine swap: 2019 ram 5.7 etorque into a 2012 ram 5.7? Of course the etorque will be removed. I believe the crank sensor, knock sensor, flex plate, timing cover and oil cooler are some of the differences.
I just completed a full rebuild of my original motor thanks to your videos. But unfortunately I still have a small oil leak into my coolant. Heads went to shop and came back good. Trucks runs great no overheating after 300 miles and ltft are all in spec. No coolant in oil. I suspect a small leak in the block.
I want to see that w a 6.4 cam; make a whole stock parts build w some forced induction
Would a set of exhaust headers from the old heade work with the difference of the exhaust ports on the new heads.
They will bolt up absolutely since the bolt pattern is identical. 👍
@@ReignitedAuto thank you very much. Have a great evening.
Keep it up
What’s the engine stand you using
ok very good video like the step by step ? i want to ask u say to delete the EGR? but will doing so still pass emissions? pcm has to go through its cycle to do its test ? and sense u have the eagle heads by looking at them can u drill out the hole for the EGR ? sense the bolt holes are there ?
If you live in a state that requires emissions testing then this isn't a great option. You can actually drill the cylinder head to make the EGR functional, but this means you'd have to use your original intake manifold, which means purchasing the adapter plates from MMX.
@@ReignitedAuto well thank u so much for the reply back have been searching for the answer to if i can drill the eagle heads or not ? thank u
Great info, I'm thinking about doing an Eagle head swap on my pre-eagle block and this video will come in handy when building my checklist. Eagle heads, eagle head gaskets, eagle intake and reuse the valve covers. Did you have to replace any push rods after replacing the rocker arms?
So if the int/exh ports are larger on the eagle heads and give better air flow but you can use the stock manifolds or aftermarket headers from the earlier 03-08s, shouldn't there be some port matching or else restriction can occur?
Also, are head bolts TTY bolts? Why reuse them if they are previous bolts and stretched?
You're correct, the exhaust manifolds would benefit from being matched. The intake manifolds are not interchangeable so those ports will match the correct manifold. The head bolts are not torque to yield therefore they ARE reusable. This comes directly from the Chrysler service information.
One reason there is confusion on this topic is because the bolts are torque to angle, which is just an alternate method of torquing them down. Think of it this way. If you were torquing a bolt to 55ft lbs, it's that any different than telling someone to torque the bolt to 30ft lbs, and then an additional 30 degrees? Both would result in the final torque number being 55, it doesn't mean that the one you finished torquing down by angle is now stretched and can't be used. I hope that clarifies it. 👍
@@ReignitedAuto good to know about the head bolts. I have a 04 5.7 with Pacesetter LTs. I wonder how the ports line up and if not, the solution? Super hard to find good LTs these days.
@tRRickedOut I think sticking with those long tubes would be just fine, it's the stock manifolds I would be concerned with.
@@ReignitedAuto thanks. I would definitely prefer to stick with them as again they're just super hard to find these days for anything early 3rd gen. Definitely doing some more research on this but this 6.4 upgrade looks to be on the menu
I got that shit on the first time I’m hella proud of myself rn 😂
Hey man, I got a 05 block with 392 stroker kit from Manley, I’m gonna run the eagle heads, just want your input on what coil packs to use, will the 05 truck coil packs work correctly?
what parts are you using for the twin turbo setup?
It's only going to be single turbo, this engine will be supercharged and turbocharged. To answer your question the whole system will be custom fabricated. 👍
Question. I know we talked before about my 06 charger rt with 2013 heads setup. I went with a .070 thick head gasket because of compression ratio being high but would a stock head gasket be fine if i run premium gas. I run premium anyways
Unfortunately the only way to know for sure is to have the vehicle tuned on a dyno, and the dyno operator has those knock sensor headphones.
I have a 2006 dodge charger daytona with a recently built engine. I want to swap the heads to a 2009 so i wont drop a valve seat. Is it necessary with a rebuilt engine
Love this
Great video!!! Been wanting to see a good technical break down of the swap. What cam would you suggest?
So I just rebuilt my engine and everything is new.but I can't seem to figure out why my pushrods are loose.tightend to spec but no cigar.got any tips
Try this first: th-cam.com/video/jMziMqWRMk0/w-d-xo.html 👍
@@ReignitedAuto thank I'm gonna try this hopefully it works.thank you
i need some information just bought a 2009 ram 2500 hemi 4wd it has the 235 mm front axle which i think is a 9 1/4" any way it has a raised pinion kinda looks like the diff was turned over but its factory never seen on a dodge seen them on fords am i correct
Can I use a 2012 5.7 crank in a 2004 5.7 hemi if so what else would I have to do to make it work.
Unfortunately no, the newer crank is designed for the VVT system and has a different snout length than the older crank. They look very similar but aren't interchangeable.
Never reused the old cylinder head bolts.
Not true
@@ReignitedAuto I prefer to spend the $100 when I have money and sweat equaty; builders choice.
@@warrenrodrigues6248 I agree it's your choice, I don't agree with telling others that they must do the same. Especially when Chrysler themselves say that the head bolts are reusable.
So you don’t need to use double head gaskets? From compression being raised? That’s what I’ve seen on forums 🤔🤔🤔
I would absolutely not do that.
I have an unrelated question I have a 2003 5.7 hemi and I bought a harmonic balancer for it but it looks like the 2009 and up and it’s the only one I can find new for a 2003 would I be able to use it
I wish I could send a pic on here but I’m sure you know what I’m talking about the new one has the c cup on the base as where the old one doesn’t
Do you recommend a tuner for a 2006 ram 5.7?
Do you know where I can buy a 5.7L hemi engine for a 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee?
Wow i allways thought the eagle head swap was a direct bolt on
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Are the lifters for A 03-08 hemi The same as the lifters in the 09 and newer? Aka are there any differents in The pre eagle lifters versus the eagle lifters. Especially in regards to the MDS lifters.
Theu are basically the same until 2016 when they updated the lifter roller bearings to a thicker style. The updated versions are the only ones available now and they'll fit any Hemi engine back to 2003. 👍
The egr myth us not true. My friend just bought an 09 eagle hemi and it DOES have egr
I'm always interested in learning more, do you know what model it was exactly? Do you have any pictures of it, I'd like to see 👍
@@ReignitedAuto it supposedly came from an aspen hybrid and no pics yet
@@ReignitedAutohey I’m the one with the motor and send me your social or whatever you want pictures sent too
@@didiercamacho1174 sales@reignitedtx.com I'd especially like to see how the EGR tube connects to the intake 👍
the eagle heads are 20cc less than the pre eagles.. the eagle heads are oval shaped and not a true hemispherical head design.. according to chrysler, the intake runners were improved on the eagle engines. the eagle heads are said to flow 14 percent better than the pre eagles, BUT, as I said, the eagle heads have 20 cc less volume.. so can u explain how the eagle heads are better than the pre eagle heads? in my mind, they about equal out, due to the chamber volume vs the flow?
The less volume is in the combustion chamber, not in the flow capacity. Less volume in the combustion chamber=higher compression
not trying to argue, just to understand.. ok if you have higher compression, but a smaller explosion when the fuel is ignited , due to a smaller combustion chambers holding less fuel mixture, , how can it create more horsepower, also the higher the combustion pressures, the more difficult to ignite the gas mixture.
what it looks like to me, is in a way, they robbed peter, to pay paul.. they went to the oval shaped combustion chamber, to be able to cut more material out of the head to get more flow. raising the compression ratio, and the flow would seem to create a better gas mileage situation to me, rather than more power.. Ive seen s 1/4 miles tests between stock chrysler 300s with the pre eagle, and eagle engines, and the eagles are about 1 second quicker.. the vid said the eagle engine is around 30 pounds heavier.. the pre eagles had MDS, but no VVT.. The eagles have VVT but no MDS... to me it seems that the VVT is likely what is giving the eagle engines the slightly better performance, and not the changes to the cylinder heads and intake... your thoughts? .
also the fact that the oval shaped combustion chambers are not really hemispherical in design, brings alot of questions.. its common knowledge that the true hemi head design has been unmatched in performance since the 1950s, and as far as I know, dodge still is not allowed to compete in nascar, due to its design,, in the 70s dodge was banned, because nobody could keep up with them..
@randy1ization the eagle engines do have MDS as well. I think the eagle engines are an upgrade in every way. The VVT definitely takes advantage of the increased flow from the cylinder heads, but it's a combination of a lot of small changes that make the eagle engines better. For outright reliability I like the pre eagle engines, but any metric of power and the eagle runs away with it.
So a 392 needs a 25k ring gap for boost …….
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Nice video great info especially being I have an 06 I thought was ready to go. I’ve converted to carb with mds electronics but looks like now I need to swap heads. Thank. It’s headed into my 71 Demon. MOPAR2YA
Sky, I love your videos. I’m located in Oregon as well, and I’m curious about those intake plates to mount your supercharger. I’m excited to watch your videos roll out and see the end result
If egr is really drilled and not cast, is it 90° bend drilled? I need the egr. But I think that some ram trucks had eagle heads with egr too.
The EGR hole is drilled from the front of the head, and from the exhaust flange side, where the two holes intersect is where the 90 degrees happens.
I've heard of some eagle head vehicles with EGR, but still haven't seen any yet. I'd love to see some pictures if you find one.
Wonderful, thanks a lot for chiming in so fast. Actually I haven't seen one either, just read they are out there. Well, I am going to drill it.
Looks like eagle heads are better compared to 6.1 heads, at least from what I have read. Problem is, I haven't found a single dyno comparing them. Some say closed chamber (eagle) design is better for power output, some say open chamber are better for emissions...But there are numbers missing. I am torn between the two yet am inclined toward eagle ones as they should have higher port velocity. At the same though I want to stroke the engine and have no idea how that complements the build.@@ReignitedAuto
@compprufus something to be careful about: if you're using the eagle heads and drilling the pet for the EGR, where are you going to run the tube that goes into the intake? There is no provision for that on the newer intake manifolds as far as I'm aware, and you cannot use your original intake with the eagle head swap unless you're using adapter plates.
I am aware of that. I was thinking first about 6.1 manifold since it's aluminum and I as a hobbyist am more proficient with alu welding than plastic welding :D but then heard of 6.4 intake being better match.
I was thinking of epoxying in a barb (though I admit, I have no idea how are the gases let inside pre eagle intake manifold (my car is constantly being serviced)) and connect the hose onto that barb. As much shaggy solution that looks like, open up a Motortend, you'll find an article about somebody fixing port runners with epoxy to raise the port velocity. Then there is the other solution and that is to mill myself an adapter plate between heads and 5.7 intake but that doesn't seem like much fun. @@ReignitedAuto
@compprufus there's no question it can be done. For myself is much rather just eliminate the EGR and get a tuner to shut it off for good, but I live in a state without emissions testing so it's easy for me to say that.