@@declanhickey1533 nah lmao you cant qualify it like that. Its either the 2000’s or the 2010’s. Cant combine the two they arent the same eras. The top 5-6 in the 00’s is very different from the 10’s list
Degrom is hands down best pitcher right now. But he has not been there for that long. That’s why he’s not really in this list because all of these guys have paved a way for the pitchers of today
i’m still confused on what the premise is…i’m guessing they meant best of the 21st century? also how is cliff floyd going to emphasize wins and then put degrom at #2 lol
He didn't really think that one through obviously but the premise is clearly just being filthy and for more than just 2-3 years. It's also difficult to do a list like that when you're not splitting it into two decades. Comes down to individual opinion at that point. deGrom is undisputed in 2010-2020. The argument that guys like Johan, Pedro etc. should be included in a 2000s list is pretty strong. For that reason should have split the decades.
Wins meant a lot when pitchers went deep into games. Denny McLain won 31 in 1968 and it meant a lot. He had 37 decisions. How many pitchers even start that many games today?
@@dl2k671 Proving what? Demonstrate conclusively that McLain was a replacement level talent in 1968 and just stumbled into 31 wins pitching poorly late into games. Show me where a pitcher has stumbled into 55 wins in a two year period as an average or below-average pitcher. My point was that wins meant more when starters were going through the order four times than now when they go through it two or three.
@@therealjip Should have an asterisk next to that stat, given that it the 2020 season. Also helped that they got to play against a team with 1/10 their budget.
@@Ariana321 why does it matter we played a team 1/10 the dodgers' budget? A win is a win. Plus why should 2020 have an asterik? if anything it's the Astros in 2017. Anyways, Kershaw is top 5 regardless. He is a world series champ and you can't take that away from him.
@@nathanbarnes9373 he definitely is. One of the last breeds of old school pitchers. When he retired he was the active leader in shutouts and complete games. If roy had the team kershaw did he would have close to 250 wins. Roy played on literally the worst team of the early 21st century and still always had a positive win record. One of the most dominant pitchers of his era. Everyone hated squaring up to Roy at the plate.
@@Gdfsandoz I was talking about greinke and his peak being definitely top 6 but I agree with you on roy too if both weren't on such bad teams for most of their careers their numbers like era and wins would look similar to kershaws imo
@@tribalchief791 yeah I forgot about him, Zack elfin kinda gives me oswalt vibes especially if he can keep that era down. Been waiting on him and Vince to get their eras down
@@w8ssy Being a winner? Jacob a pitcher is responsible for his own run support? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Degrom's FIP speaks for itself. He heard the phrase "pitch for contact" and thought "that's a cop out". Dude's an absolute beast, and wish he played up here for Toronto.
Cliff Floyd hasnt caught up to the rest of civilization yet. Nobody should be looking at wins...have we not learned anything from Jacob deGrom?. A pitchers numbers tell you how he pitched. Wins are a result, not an ability statistic.
@@ethan3949 I hope you are just trolling with that statement. Otherwise it's a dumbass statement. The reason he only had 169 wins is because he pitched behind bottom 3 offenses every single year and even a historically bad offense in 2012 I believe. If he went 9 innings and gave up no runs their was a pretty good chance he wasn't getting a win. You heard that right. Those teams STRUGGLED to even get 1 run many times.
Kershaw, Holliday, Verlander, Scherzer, Grienke, Sale...Martinez is a close one but all those active guys are going to add more stats and will look better post 2000.
The doc had 12/6 hook , fastball command, could frame you up on the box, loved when he started throwing The Rivera cutter after that all star game, now he could jam u up, or get more ground balls.
"If he has two of his pitches working for him, its gonna be tough. If he has all three working, we have no shot." I dont remember which opposing manager said this about facing Kershaw but I think its accurate and shows how much respect everyone in the game has for him
The freak was nasty with that spliter curve ball combo, watch a lot of his starts in his prime. I always watch the best pitching matchups while the Cubs suck
Waino won 3 rings went to the world series 5 times and set the record with yadi for most wins with a single catcher I believe. Statistically hes a sneaky candidate
How does Cliff Floyd NOT rank Doc? I think Plesiac's list is better. I would have ranked them Halladay/ Kershaw/ Scherzer/ Verlander/ Linculm and Hernandez. DOC was dominant for ten years.
1.Pedro Martinez 2.Roy Holladay 3. Johan Santana 4.Randy Johnson 5.Roger Clemens 6.Curt Schilling 7. Tim Lincecum 8. Cliff Lee 9. Josh Beckett 10. Felix Hernandez I watched baseball religiously and honestly Johan, Roy and Pedro were the holy trinity in that era. And to see Johan not get any love truly infuriates me.
So Bumgarner helps SF win 3 World Series Championships and now he's forgotten? Is R Westbrook better than K Leonard or K Durant because he averaged a triple double a few times during the regular season? Baseball analytics has to evolve and take into account the importance of playoff games.
Exactly! To not factor in playing to win or go home, you basically are saying you don’t care about competing when it really matters. To your point about Madbum, Lincecum deserves to be ranked even higher with his post-season numbers.
OMG!! In this top they both ignored Johan Santana JAJAJAJAJA 2 Cy young (not to mention that 2 were stolen), 1 triple crown and the best pitcher of his time.
If Roy Halladay isn't number 1 these guys need to rethink everything they do. cause the guy dominated the AL east with against those stacked Yankee and Red Sox teams. even after he got traded to the Phillies he dominated the NL threw a no no in his first ever playoff appearance and World Series champion edit: Kershaw is not a 2000s pitcher 😂😂😂 and no diss to Kersh cause he's a stud but I'm taking Doc any day no matter the condition over Kersh
Give me a 3 yest stretch or even a single season of Doc's career that was better then Kershaws... your a fucking moron if you take him higher... many people think Kershaw is a top 5 if not top 3 pitcher ever due to his numbers
Buddy, you’re entire comment just reeks of meaningless conjecture and personal feelings, there is literally zero statistical justification for preferring Doc over Kershaw no matter what. Kershaw blows him out of the water in ERA (not close), Kershaw strikes out wayyyyy more batters which means u gotta worry less abt potential defense mishaps costing outs, he gives up much less hits than doc ever did, and in 2013-2016, particularly 2014, Kershaw May have been the best pitcher ever. I’m not a dodgers fan but just someone who can look at objective data and say yep, this dudes the best. If you don’t like the eye test of those basic stats, Kershaw kills Doc in ERA+ which accounts for the average pitcher at the time and ballparks so itd account for your stuff about the AL East, this is just a cringe take man, Regarding the 2000s stuff, you’re comment that Kershaw isn’t a 2000s is pretty stupid considering the majority of both lists in the video consisted of players who’s careers have been in the 2010s, obviously they actually meant 21st century
There are plenty of great pitchers in the 2000 era that have had great careers, Pedro Martinez, Andy Pettitte, Roy Oswalt, Roy Halladay, Felix Hernandez, Cliff Lee, Johan Santana, etc. Its kind of difficult comparing to players still playing at the moment, probably should be some separation there.
You can argue that Mark Buehrle should have been in the top 5, and you didn't even give him honorable mention? Look at his numbers from 2000 and on, dude is seriously underrated.
@@tgrt1348 Ok got it. But yes a lot of people forget about him. 5x all-star, 2 no hitters (one of which was perfect game) and a world series win. His numbers are equal to or better than the top six list in the video. I know there were others overlooked also such as Greinke.
Top 10 in order Pedro, Kershaw, Johnson, Hernandez, Verlander, Scherzer, Degrom, Grienke, Halloday Arguably Pedro and Johnson really are lower since this is just supposed to be their 2000's work, I still think they belong in the list though. (Especially Pedro)
@Danny Chains As I said it's debatable because of the encompassing time period.. That being said Pedro had arguably the best peak for a pitcher, since at least WW2, if not of all time, and the majority of that peak was in the 2000s.
If you go by peak Lincecum had an amazing peak but if you go by the whole of the 2000's he doesn't belong anywhere on this list. here's my ranking for the top pitchers of the century so far, not by peak but by overall production. 1. Clayton Kershaw 2. Justin Verlander 3. Max Scherzer 4. CC Sabathia 5. Roy Halladay 6. Randy Johnson 7. Johan Santana 8. Pedro Martinez 9. Felix Hernandez 10. Zach Greinke 11. Mark Buehrle 12. Jacob DeGrom 13. Chris Sale 14. David Price 15. Cole Hamels 16. Roy Oswalt 17. Maddison Bumgarner 18. Bartolo Colon 19. Adam Wainwright 20. Tim Hudson 21. Cliff Lee 22. Andy Pettit 23. Mike Mussina 24. John Lester 25. Gerritt Cole 26. Curt Schilling 27. Roger Clemens 28. Chris Carpenter 29. Jake Peavy 30. John Lackey All these players had better careers then Tim Lincecum during the 00's. Tim is absolutely one of my favorites growing up, I have his jersey which is more then I can say for all but 3 other players on this list but he didn't do it long enough to be up there with these guys. (let me know if I missed anybody or if you have any problems with my rankings)
Even as a diehard Mariners fan in the 90s who got to watch Big Unit every start, Pedro was way ahead of him and other pitchers by miles. He had 4 A+ pitches that he could locate. He put up ridiculously great numbers in a hitters park and in an AL with juiced up stars everywhere. Best pitcher ive ever seen. Randy was absolutely filthy but his knock was at times he had control issues. His control issues are why I also put Maddux ahead of him in the 90s era. In the 2000's era I put Randy Johnson ahead of Pedro because he got better and shined in the postseason as Pedro got older and struggled especially in the postseason against the Yankees.
If they didn’t have Randy Johnson it’s make more sense, but since he’s in, where the heck is Pedro?! Both pitches until 2009. Both had their last really good season in 2005. If you’re talking more 2005 and beyond, they should’ve mentions johan Santana for sure. Also cliff lee, zack greinke, David price, Chris Sale, gerrit cole, even kluber for a 5 year stretch.
2000s? How bout Mariano Rivera? Pedro Martinez? Curt schilling? All were critical in multiple world series. Schilling won 1 with diamondbacks and 1 with red Sox, Pedro won with red Sox 2 and a cy young, was considered the best for how many seasons? Marino Rivera is considered by some the best closer EVER.
Cliff Floyd thinks wins are important so let's just pretend he doesn't even exist. His list is even worse. This dude is going to put Jacob Degrom at #2 After 3 Hall of Fame Seasons. If you're looking for dominance, go with Pedro.
DeGrom above an mvp, two time cy youngwinner, pitching triple crown winner, and a guy that has already surpassed 3,000 strikeouts is crazy. DeGrom is good but his career is not better than Justin verlanders. Not yet anyway
What a shit list. Randy Johnson is #2 overall for strikeouts behind only Nolan Ryan. 5 CY Youngs (3 in the 2000s), 5th most wins lefties ever. What a joke 5th and a not even mentioned.
God this video is bad. Cliff floyd mentions record on every single one. Nobody cares about records anymore. You can pitch a 1 run complete game every night and go 0-33. This video is so out of touch.
I love how every pitcher has a highlight reel playing, and then for degrom it’s just him vibing before a game stretching
Scherzer didnt have 1 either
Pretty sure it was live footage of them getting ready.
He was getting ready to pitch bro bro..
@@Zestybackwash25 The live look in while talking about him in this context is pretty cool.
Is this 2000’s or 2010’s because im confused. I think they misworded the entire thing.
They said 2000 and beyond in the beginning of the vid
@@declanhickey1533 nah lmao you cant qualify it like that. Its either the 2000’s or the 2010’s. Cant combine the two they arent the same eras. The top 5-6 in the 00’s is very different from the 10’s list
@@zacwoods But thats what they said they were doing in the beginning of the clip, don’t be tryin to argue it with me lmao
@@declanhickey1533 ik im saying thats a horrible qualifier for them to use not you lol
Make your own list and post the link
I think plesac nailed it. Mainly for the acknowledgment of Doc Halladay. That man was dominant.
Degrom is hands down best pitcher right now. But he has not been there for that long. That’s why he’s not really in this list because all of these guys have paved a way for the pitchers of today
Pedro?
i’m still confused on what the premise is…i’m guessing they meant best of the 21st century? also how is cliff floyd going to emphasize wins and then put degrom at #2 lol
He didn't really think that one through obviously but the premise is clearly just being filthy and for more than just 2-3 years. It's also difficult to do a list like that when you're not splitting it into two decades. Comes down to individual opinion at that point. deGrom is undisputed in 2010-2020. The argument that guys like Johan, Pedro etc. should be included in a 2000s list is pretty strong. For that reason should have split the decades.
Wins doesn’t matter honestly but I agree that he should have some consistency.
@@jacobredmond4127 wins show that you go deep into games.
@@diemrcupcake but wins also depend a lot on your team not blowing leads and giving run support which is something the Mets dont do for deGrom
@@blink182lives100 this is true
Zack Greinke still not getting much love.
Should have made it easily aside from johnson his peak was the best and he has been good for a long time
Yea I commented that I would of put Greinke over Lincecum. Greinke has played longer and was dominate for a longer period of time
No Pedro Martinez?
Also best hitter by far
Also best hitter by far
Any top 5 list for 2000 and beyond without kershaw is a joke. He’s easily top 5
He's easily top 1
@@royaltyyy9693 could argue top 1 very easily top 2
And max scherzer
He's top 1.
He’s top 1
Did the guy who said he put an emphasis on record put degrom at 2? I agree that degrom is one of the best but record means absolytely nothing
Wins meant a lot when pitchers went deep into games. Denny McLain won 31 in 1968 and it meant a lot. He had 37 decisions. How many pitchers even start that many games today?
@@alsacrime4806 he could have been awful in every one of those starts and if he had good run support he would get the win
@@dl2k671 Proving what? Demonstrate conclusively that McLain was a replacement level talent in 1968 and just stumbled into 31 wins pitching poorly late into games. Show me where a pitcher has stumbled into 55 wins in a two year period as an average or below-average pitcher.
My point was that wins meant more when starters were going through the order four times than now when they go through it two or three.
“Emphasis on wins” Felix would have so many more wins if he played on a better run support.
I don't take any list without Pedro Martinez seriously.
Exactly
Lincecum over Pedro? Dumb.
I assume because he pitched a lot in the 90s they were going with more recent guys ..
Exactly! and Johan Santana prime better than Verlander and Max
2010-2020 .... 162-63 2.31 ERA 2054 innings... Clayton Kershaw is number 1 easily.... not even a contest
Kersh lowest
Era & Whip (live ball for starters)
2nd lowest h/9
3x Cy Young & strikeout leader.
And an mvp
@@jacksonvance7404 and a world series champ!
@@therealjip World Series champ doesn’t help him
@@therealjip Should have an asterisk next to that stat, given that it the 2020 season. Also helped that they got to play against a team with 1/10 their budget.
@@Ariana321 why does it matter we played a team 1/10 the dodgers' budget? A win is a win. Plus why should 2020 have an asterik? if anything it's the Astros in 2017. Anyways, Kershaw is top 5 regardless. He is a world series champ and you can't take that away from him.
Can’t believe cliff forgot Roy
Can't believe both forgot greinke
@@nathanbarnes9373 he’s good and all but not top 6
@@GTMartin4 look at his numbers and his peak he is easily top 6
@@nathanbarnes9373 he definitely is. One of the last breeds of old school pitchers. When he retired he was the active leader in shutouts and complete games. If roy had the team kershaw did he would have close to 250 wins. Roy played on literally the worst team of the early 21st century and still always had a positive win record. One of the most dominant pitchers of his era. Everyone hated squaring up to Roy at the plate.
@@Gdfsandoz I was talking about greinke and his peak being definitely top 6 but I agree with you on roy too if both weren't on such bad teams for most of their careers their numbers like era and wins would look similar to kershaws imo
Having CC ahead of Max Scherzer, a 3 time Cy, two no hitters, 20k game etc etc is a complete travesty. And Im a Yankee fan.
Ur worried about that bruh they put Kershaw in grimy of degrom
"Emphasis on the wins" Cringe
For real, he really turned the world upside down with that observation
So we're disrespecting Johan Santana now huh
Agreed; including Lincecum but not including Johan is pretty ridiculous.
Well considering they left off Grienke and Sale idk what to say
This is also a weird segment because instead of doing 1 decade, they’re trying to do two of them
Eh, he's not a hall of famer though. Everyone else on the lists had more longevity. Except for Lincecum, who definitely should not of been included.
Pedro Martinez too, very surprised to not see him.
As a Phillies fan, I miss that late 2000s early 2010s rotation, cole hamels, cliff Lee, and the doc Roy halladay
LETHAL
Don't forget roy Oswalt
right there with you, also cant forget lidge, i know he was a closer but he was so good
@@tribalchief791 yeah I forgot about him, Zack elfin kinda gives me oswalt vibes especially if he can keep that era down. Been waiting on him and Vince to get their eras down
as a dodgers fan, lol i hate you guys 😂
but that rotation was 🔥
Cliff: I place an emphasis on record.
Also Cliff: I'm going with Jacob deGrom
Clearly Jake deGrom defies records tho.
LMAO second best pitcher of the 2000’s is buggin. He’s not even top 5 right now. No emphasis on longevity or being a winner I guess.
@@w8ssy Being a winner? Jacob a pitcher is responsible for his own run support? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@@god_hand576 so their overall record like Cliff said was in his criteria has nothing to do with being a winner? Okay bud makes sense
L , he shut you down lmaoo
Kershaw, Randy, Pedro should all be top 5 on every list
Degrom's FIP speaks for itself. He heard the phrase "pitch for contact" and thought "that's a cop out". Dude's an absolute beast, and wish he played up here for Toronto.
People forget CC used to hit tanks with the brewers too lol
No Santana?easily the best pitcher of the 00s decade.
Terrible title
#6, "I'm gonna go with Tim Lincecum"
And im gonna go to another video bye
Pedro is #1. Has by far the lowest FIP (2.92) of decade minimum 1,000 IP
I thought that Pedro would be top for sure
I thought Pedro would be at least top 3 for sure I’d put him at lowest 2
FIP is a fantasy stat lol cmon
The fact that Pedro is not on either list when he had the best pitching season in the history of baseball in 2000 is a complete joke
Cleveland CC was filthy , loved his combo with fastball, slider, change piece , loved watching him pitch
cliff lee too
Randy Johnson cannot be placed behind any of these guys. PS: In the post-season it's Madison Bumgarner hands down.
Johan Santana for me
Cliff Floyd hasnt caught up to the rest of civilization yet. Nobody should be looking at wins...have we not learned anything from Jacob deGrom?. A pitchers numbers tell you how he pitched. Wins are a result, not an ability statistic.
tell dan to teach his nephew how to take off a shirt
Sabathia over Max?! Right...ok...lol
Where’s greinke?
I wanted felix higher. He accumulated the best war through 10 years.. the man who dominated baseball through the stretch. But I agree with the #1
No Felix sucks he only has 169 wins
When was the last time the felix had a good team around him
@@joshfrank794 he never had one, to be honest.
@@ethan3949 I hope you are just trolling with that statement. Otherwise it's a dumbass statement. The reason he only had 169 wins is because he pitched behind bottom 3 offenses every single year and even a historically bad offense in 2012 I believe. If he went 9 innings and gave up no runs their was a pretty good chance he wasn't getting a win. You heard that right. Those teams STRUGGLED to even get 1 run many times.
@@calinator51 y would I be trolling if your team can’t win with you pitching than you’re bad
Kershaw, Holliday, Verlander, Scherzer, Grienke, Sale...Martinez is a close one but all those active guys are going to add more stats and will look better post 2000.
Um, hello Zach Grenkie anyone? With over 200 wins and 2 700+ strikeouts and nasty control? And Tim Linsicum got in over him?? What are we doing people
The doc had 12/6 hook , fastball command, could frame you up on the box, loved when he started throwing The Rivera cutter after that all star game, now he could jam u up, or get more ground balls.
"If he has two of his pitches working for him, its gonna be tough. If he has all three working, we have no shot." I dont remember which opposing manager said this about facing Kershaw but I think its accurate and shows how much respect everyone in the game has for him
If anyone says wins for pitchers are valuable they should be taken off of TV immediately.
Yep, losing record is better
The freak was nasty with that spliter curve ball combo, watch a lot of his starts in his prime. I always watch the best pitching matchups while the Cubs suck
Waino won 3 rings went to the world series 5 times and set the record with yadi for most wins with a single catcher I believe. Statistically hes a sneaky candidate
Cliff Floyd’s list was a lot better but should have included Halladay in there somewhere.
Yea probably bump King Felix for him. Felix not being able to pitch pass 30 hurts his case for Top 6 of the 21st century
I personally would of had Zack Greinke over Tim Lincecum.
For me 2000 >
1. Kershaw
2. Verlander
3. Scherzer
4. Grenkie
5. Halladay
6. Santana
Pitchers' wins don't matter*
Doc has to be #1 he was the last of the last great old school pitchers 71/3, 1 run every start if not a cg
How does Cliff Floyd NOT rank Doc? I think Plesiac's list is better. I would have ranked them Halladay/ Kershaw/ Scherzer/ Verlander/ Linculm and Hernandez.
DOC was dominant for ten years.
The entire 2000s degrom is nowhere close
in my opinion halladay would be considered one of the goats if he was on a good team his whole career
I am baffled... Where is Bartolo on this list?
Are you telling me that you wouldn't take Colon as one of your 6 pitchers if you were a GM?
No love for pedro how tf
Hes 90's
@@benjaminjohnson2022 mid 90s and also 2000s. Same can be said for Randy Johnson and he was picked. They both peaked in the early 2000s.
Love pedro but 2000s > not complete not even 1500 IP ...
Guys he played until 2009 and dominated the first half of the decade...
1.Pedro Martinez
2.Roy Holladay
3. Johan Santana
4.Randy Johnson
5.Roger Clemens
6.Curt Schilling
7. Tim Lincecum
8. Cliff Lee
9. Josh Beckett
10. Felix Hernandez
I watched baseball religiously and honestly Johan, Roy and Pedro were the holy trinity in that era. And to see Johan not get any love truly infuriates me.
This is the real list
So Bumgarner helps SF win 3 World Series Championships and now he's forgotten? Is R Westbrook better than K Leonard or K Durant because he averaged a triple double a few times during the regular season? Baseball analytics has to evolve and take into account the importance of playoff games.
Exactly! To not factor in playing to win or go home, you basically are saying you don’t care about competing when it really matters. To your point about Madbum, Lincecum deserves to be ranked even higher with his post-season numbers.
For me its Pedro Martinez, Kershaw, Scherzer, DeGrom, Verlander, Randy Johnson
Best list in the comments. Pedro is my favorite. But with 2000 being the cutoff. Him and Kershaw could be switched and it would still be ok.
Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez are the top two
OMG!! In this top they both ignored Johan Santana JAJAJAJAJA 2 Cy young (not to mention that 2 were stolen), 1 triple crown and the best pitcher of his time.
If Roy Halladay isn't number 1 these guys need to rethink everything they do. cause the guy dominated the AL east with against those stacked Yankee and Red Sox teams. even after he got traded to the Phillies he dominated the NL threw a no no in his first ever playoff appearance and World Series champion
edit: Kershaw is not a 2000s pitcher 😂😂😂 and no diss to Kersh cause he's a stud but I'm taking Doc any day no matter the condition over Kersh
Kershaw is the best lefty of all time besides maybe Koufax or Johnson
Neither is Scherzer. They're talking best since the turn of the century.
Give me a 3 yest stretch or even a single season of Doc's career that was better then Kershaws... your a fucking moron if you take him higher... many people think Kershaw is a top 5 if not top 3 pitcher ever due to his numbers
It’s 2000 to present. If it was 2000-‘09. Yeah Halladay has an argument.
Buddy, you’re entire comment just reeks of meaningless conjecture and personal feelings, there is literally zero statistical justification for preferring Doc over Kershaw no matter what. Kershaw blows him out of the water in ERA (not close), Kershaw strikes out wayyyyy more batters which means u gotta worry less abt potential defense mishaps costing outs, he gives up much less hits than doc ever did, and in 2013-2016, particularly 2014, Kershaw May have been the best pitcher ever. I’m not a dodgers fan but just someone who can look at objective data and say yep, this dudes the best. If you don’t like the eye test of those basic stats, Kershaw kills Doc in ERA+ which accounts for the average pitcher at the time and ballparks so itd account for your stuff about the AL East, this is just a cringe take man,
Regarding the 2000s stuff, you’re comment that Kershaw isn’t a 2000s is pretty stupid considering the majority of both lists in the video consisted of players who’s careers have been in the 2010s, obviously they actually meant 21st century
Josh Beckett? Johan Santana? Cliff Lee?
King Felix for Hall of Fame
Gimme some Roy Oswalt
Rumor has it Adam Vinatieri is going to the Buccaneers with Julian Edelman. 🏈
DeGrom's cooperstown speech is gonna damn short. Cuz he has no one to credit but himself
I helped him too, so i’ll probably be mentioned
No Madbum?
I know right? If we’re gonna talk about winning, how do you not have a guy who won three World Series?
@@chrissugidono3929 and who has the best postseason numbers for a starting pitcher in the last 20 years!
Pedro? Johan?
Pedro was undoubtedly better than Tim Lincecum and CC Sabathia lol. Plesacs list is a joke
@@stevejones5075 yeah he musta been thinking 2010s but then he put Halladay and Cliff said Randy Johnson. Ion get it, but it’s their fav I guess.
There are plenty of great pitchers in the 2000 era that have had great careers, Pedro Martinez, Andy Pettitte, Roy Oswalt, Roy Halladay, Felix Hernandez, Cliff Lee, Johan Santana, etc. Its kind of difficult comparing to players still playing at the moment, probably should be some separation there.
Yup. Shoulda stated 2000s and excluded 2010s. The list is too broad for only a top 6.(wonder why it was 6 and not 10 or 5)
Pedro Martinez ?
Degrom, hard ass slider at 92, fastball at 97 with movement, and definitely one of the best, great that I’ve seen him live with the box seats
deGrom throws 101 lol
Some of these pitchers got their start in the 2010s.
Well they did say “from 2000 and beyond”
Yeah they messed up the title and the name of the segment. Should’ve been best pitchers of 21st century so far.
?????
Andy Petite.
Pedro Martinez.
Eric Gagne.
Mariano Rivera.
Fernando Valenzuela.
Tim lincicum
Is this of the century?? Gotta put Cliff lee or Pedro over degrom..yikes
Love pedro but 2000s > not complete not even 1500 IP ...
This is more of a 2010s list
My favorites:
1. Pedro
2. Randy
3. Doc Halladay
4. Kershaw
5. C.C.
Honorable mentions
Johan
Lincecum
Wainwright
King Felix
Chapman
You can argue that Mark Buehrle should have been in the top 5, and you didn't even give him honorable mention? Look at his numbers from 2000 and on, dude is seriously underrated.
@@shauncasey8295 I forgot about him, he was great. Besides, this is a list of my favorites, not the 'best' pitchers of the 2000s
@@tgrt1348 Ok got it. But yes a lot of people forget about him. 5x all-star, 2 no hitters (one of which was perfect game) and a world series win. His numbers are equal to or better than the top six list in the video. I know there were others overlooked also such as Greinke.
Johan Santana continues to be the most forgotten and disrespected pitcher ever IMO.
I think Roy was a huge miss from Cliff and Greinke was a huge miss for both.
Top 10 in order Pedro, Kershaw, Johnson, Hernandez, Verlander, Scherzer, Degrom, Grienke, Halloday
Arguably Pedro and Johnson really are lower since this is just supposed to be their 2000's work, I still think they belong in the list though. (Especially Pedro)
2000 was his part 2 of best all-time regular season pitching.
@Danny Chains As I said it's debatable because of the encompassing time period.. That being said Pedro had arguably the best peak for a pitcher, since at least WW2, if not of all time, and the majority of that peak was in the 2000s.
Pedro?
Degrom, verlander, kershaw, lincecum, scherzer, wainwright
Pedro Martinez
Randy Johnson
Roger Clemens
Mad max
Justin Verlander
Roy Holliday
Kershaw, Verlander, CC, Max Scherzer, Roy Halladay, Zack Greinkie
Don't roast me im only 15 but this is just my opinion
Bro rlly put Tim Lincecum and Max Scherzer over degrom. LMAO GTFO. opinion invalid at that point.
1. Clayton Kershaw
2. Justin Verlander
3. Max Scherzer
4. Felix Hernandez
5. Roy Halladay
Honorable Mentions: C.C. Sabathia, Zack Greinke, Roy Oswalt
Right now:
1. Jacob deGrom
2. Gerrit Cole
3. Trevor Bauer
4. Max Scherzer
5. Yu Darvish/Clayton Kershaw
How do you put Lincecum over Greinke, Pedro, Oswalt, Lee?
Experts my ass
Jacob deGrom has lowest FIP (2.70) of the decade.
ERA has gone the way of the dodo people!
If you go by peak Lincecum had an amazing peak but if you go by the whole of the 2000's he doesn't belong anywhere on this list. here's my ranking for the top pitchers of the century so far, not by peak but by overall production.
1. Clayton Kershaw
2. Justin Verlander
3. Max Scherzer
4. CC Sabathia
5. Roy Halladay
6. Randy Johnson
7. Johan Santana
8. Pedro Martinez
9. Felix Hernandez
10. Zach Greinke
11. Mark Buehrle
12. Jacob DeGrom
13. Chris Sale
14. David Price
15. Cole Hamels
16. Roy Oswalt
17. Maddison Bumgarner
18. Bartolo Colon
19. Adam Wainwright
20. Tim Hudson
21. Cliff Lee
22. Andy Pettit
23. Mike Mussina
24. John Lester
25. Gerritt Cole
26. Curt Schilling
27. Roger Clemens
28. Chris Carpenter
29. Jake Peavy
30. John Lackey
All these players had better careers then Tim Lincecum during the 00's. Tim is absolutely one of my favorites growing up, I have his jersey which is more then I can say for all but 3 other players on this list but he didn't do it long enough to be up there with these guys. (let me know if I missed anybody or if you have any problems with my rankings)
Even as a diehard Mariners fan in the 90s who got to watch Big Unit every start, Pedro was way ahead of him and other pitchers by miles. He had 4 A+ pitches that he could locate. He put up ridiculously great numbers in a hitters park and in an AL with juiced up stars everywhere. Best pitcher ive ever seen. Randy was absolutely filthy but his knock was at times he had control issues. His control issues are why I also put Maddux ahead of him in the 90s era. In the 2000's era I put Randy Johnson ahead of Pedro because he got better and shined in the postseason as Pedro got older and struggled especially in the postseason against the Yankees.
If they didn’t have Randy Johnson it’s make more sense, but since he’s in, where the heck is Pedro?! Both pitches until 2009. Both had their last really good season in 2005.
If you’re talking more 2005 and beyond, they should’ve mentions johan Santana for sure. Also cliff lee, zack greinke, David price, Chris Sale, gerrit cole, even kluber for a 5 year stretch.
Scherzer is the MLB version of Drew Brees. Reliably dominant even in the twilight of his career.
Max ain’t a choke artist like brees tho
2000s? How bout Mariano Rivera? Pedro Martinez? Curt schilling? All were critical in multiple world series. Schilling won 1 with diamondbacks and 1 with red Sox, Pedro won with red Sox 2 and a cy young, was considered the best for how many seasons? Marino Rivera is considered by some the best closer EVER.
I got Scherzer at number 1, Kershaw at 2
Cliff Floyd thinks wins are important so let's just pretend he doesn't even exist. His list is even worse. This dude is going to put Jacob Degrom at #2 After 3 Hall of Fame Seasons. If you're looking for dominance, go with Pedro.
DeGrom above an mvp, two time cy youngwinner, pitching triple crown winner, and a guy that has already surpassed 3,000 strikeouts is crazy. DeGrom is good but his career is not better than Justin verlanders. Not yet anyway
What a shit list. Randy Johnson is #2 overall for strikeouts behind only Nolan Ryan. 5 CY Youngs (3 in the 2000s), 5th most wins lefties ever. What a joke 5th and a not even mentioned.
1) Kershaw
2) Roy Halladay
3) Justin Verlander
4) Jacob Degrom
5) Max Scherzer
6) Johan Santana
Where is pedro
1. Pedro
2. R Holiday
3. J Verlander
4. J Santana
5. R Johnson
6. CC Sabathia
The list is for 2000's not 2010's
@@SaberFate you got a point, I love your list too
I love lincecum but him over greinke, cliff lee, mussina, price or Johan?
God this video is bad. Cliff floyd mentions record on every single one. Nobody cares about records anymore. You can pitch a 1 run complete game every night and go 0-33. This video is so out of touch.
Mariano Rivera has to be on this list. He isn't a starter, but he has to be on this list.
There is no way Felix is better than Rivera, I don’t know why he’s not there.
He is literally the best closer
I wonder if they would keep Justin Verlander 4th if they were doing this this year instead of a year ago. 😀
Sorry, no athlete should ever be considered a top athlete if they can’t compete when it really matters. Remove Kershaw, and put in Madbum or Pedro.
Pedro
Randy Johnson
Kershaw
DeGrom
Verlander
Clemens
kinda thought this was gonna be 2000s not 2010s otherwise where is Mariano rivera I mean best closer of all time
Cliff's list confuses me. deGrom didn't debut until 2014
I guess we’re not including Pedro Martinez?
Floyd’s list is definitely better than Plesac’s, imo.