thanks im about to modify a 50s standard goldtop instead of buying an r7 i've modified other usa gibsons to custom shop specs with great results love all the mods you did i do the same
I’ve got a 2017 Traditional T, which is the exact same guitar as your 50s standard (no weight relief, ABR bridge, same neck profile) and it’s a little under 9lbs. I can hear some of the same characteristics in yours, they are bright and snappy for a Les Paul, moreso than the 90s and 2010s standards I had which I always felt needed some more top end to them. The custom shop has a smoother high end and the low end sounds a little bigger. Oh and the custom shop gold is incredible!!!!
Thank you for the comment. Yes I have exactly the same experience as yours. This particular Standard 50s is on the bright side of a Les Paul. The high ends sound different to the Custom Shop for sure. Not saying it's bad but the Custom Shop just a little more pleasant to my ears. Yeah and I love the custom shop gold as well!
13:35 (R7) VS 13:50 (50s) When playing the muffled sound, the 50s feels blurry but thick but not clear enough. It doesn't have the heavy and clear feeling of the R7.
I just traded my 2022 standard 50's this past weekend toward a 2018 Historic R9 in "Honey lemon fade" and the improvement is substantial! in all area's The CS Les Paul's are stellar guitars! Worth every penny i paid!👍
Hi, I have a Les Paul Standard 60’s & am planning on replacing the Grover tuning machines that it came installed with to the vintage tulip styled Kluson tuning machines. My concern is that the guitar won’t stay in tune once I make the switch. Did you have any issues with the Les Paul Standard 50’s staying in tune when you swapped the Gibson Deluxe machines out for the vintage ones? Thanks!
6:40 50s too bright for me. I like the R7. Warmer than 50s at 6:40. Turn up the sound and listen with monitor headphones, you will find that the sound of 50 is very bright and harsh, not as warm, soft and not abrupt as R7.
The main differences are mahogany top for r7 and unknown top (maple?) for standard, as well as single piece wood body for r7 and multi pieces wood body for standard. The r7 should have lighter wood body for being a custom.
Excellent comparison! The R7 just has that special edge - fuller, airy-er, a slight more acoustic quality. I did many similar upgrades to my 2011 LP traditional and compared to my CS '61 SG if you want to check my vid (even both played Hideaway haha, sweet!)
Thanks mate! The custom shop definitely feels better on hands. The neck thickness is almost the same on both guitars but the R7 is more comfortable to play as the neck is slightly more rounded. And I can feel more vibration on hands and clearer pick attack from R7 as well.
The most difficult thing to do is to test multiple custom shops out in person. Even if they are the same finish, they all sound different, feel different, weight different. Even if the difference are marginal, they'll be there. I have two R9's in Lemon Burst, a 2018 VOS and a 2020 Murphy Lab Ultra Heavy Aged. The ML cost over $4k more and looks like dog shit but sounds incredible. Yet when I A/B them the VOS makes sounds that the ML can't. It's rounder and smoother where the ML is more aggressive and biting.
Great video. Thanks for this comparison. I’m not going to comment about the comparisons as those are somewhat subjective- my question is about the amp head: why does the power switch LED blink/ flash? Is that a mod you did or something that is stock on those amps? Thanks
great video, very consice and to the point as well as great playing and tones all round. As someone who owns a 50's Standard and did many of those same mods I hate to admit that while it sounds great, it's a little sterile when compared to the custom shop. I can't help but wonder how much the pickups play a factor...
The differences are subtle, but noticeable. They CSR7 has a better top end. The USA sounds a bit darker and less defined. The USA sounds a bit thin by comparrison overall. Custombuckers in the USA would be interesting.
Soundwise both are great. Can you do us a favor? Can you do a sustain test to see if the Long tenon has something to do with it? I know it's a myth but it's always good to see these kind of tests. Thank you
Thanks for your comment. Unfortunately I no longer own the Standard 50s so I couldn't do the sustain test sorry. I was gonna include this test as well as unplugged sound comparison. However, later I found they are a bit pointless tests since electric guitars meant to be plugged in, and no one would hold a note that long during a song (unless it's Gary Moore XD). As for the sustain every part on the guitar comes into play imho. The long neck tenon definitely makes some contribution but not exclusively. As people say the wood selection and longer drying process for the Custom Shop guitars may also make the difference.
Did you not like the Burstbucker 1 & 2 in the original 50's? I have an Original 50's goldtop and I love those creamy pickups. Very Slash sounding as well as nailing all the classic rock tones. Mine's a 2021 model and it's all hand wired with Orange Drop capacitors. Your's must be an earlier model with the PCB board electronics. I didn't even know they made the Original 50's with that type of electronics. Thank God that didn't last. The only mod I'd be willing to do would be to get those Gotoh tuners with the flat head tuning pegs. Do you have a Gotoh part # for those tuners?
Thanks for the comments. I did like the Burstbucker 1 and 2 but I found the neck was lacking a bit of clarity whereas the bridge was too bright. I tried to play around with the pickup height and pole screws but didn't work out. The electronics on my standard 50s is a Jimmy page mod 50s wiring harness hand wiried by Sixstringsupplies UK. The original harness with Orange Drop caps is actually a modern type wiring not 50s wiring unfortunately. The tuners on my standard 50s are Kluson Deluxe SL/SR tuners, made by Gotoh, under Göldo Germany brand and was aged by Crazyparts.de. I believe Gibson used Gotoh made Kluson tuners on their earlier Custom Shop Reissue models. However, these have been changed to WD Music branded Kluson Deluxe (Korea or China made not sure) which is found on today's Custom Shop Reissues.
@@Fanmusic91 yes I know the current wiring harness with the Orange Drops isn't vintage spec but in the video your original 50's had that Gibson branded black plastic holding it all together. Whereas with mine and all others I've seen just had the pots fastened on from the rear with a nut and basic wiring system. It didn't have all that black plastic. I thought that system had been pulled from production when the new ownership took over. But apparently your original 50's had that bulky plastic wiring system. Maybe when they first introduced that model they wanted to use up what was left of that plastic harness. Idk. But yeah I love those Gotoh tuners with flat top tuning pegs. It looks vintage. Thanks for the info on them.
I don’t feel the same. I have a Murphy Lab 59 sunburst Les Paul and it sounds better than USA standards however the biggest difference in my opinion is the resonance, feel and look. Soundwise an upgraded standard is really close soundwise but I would still go with the murphy
I’m late to the party. Not really a comparison because you out the knockoff pickups in the standard. Put the same pickups in the standard. There is always going to be some variation even between examples of the same model, due to minor variances of parts.
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thanks im about to modify a 50s standard goldtop instead of buying an r7 i've modified other usa gibsons to custom shop specs with great results love all the mods you did i do the same
I’ve got a 2017 Traditional T, which is the exact same guitar as your 50s standard (no weight relief, ABR bridge, same neck profile) and it’s a little under 9lbs. I can hear some of the same characteristics in yours, they are bright and snappy for a Les Paul, moreso than the 90s and 2010s standards I had which I always felt needed some more top end to them. The custom shop has a smoother high end and the low end sounds a little bigger. Oh and the custom shop gold is incredible!!!!
Thank you for the comment. Yes I have exactly the same experience as yours. This particular Standard 50s is on the bright side of a Les Paul. The high ends sound different to the Custom Shop for sure. Not saying it's bad but the Custom Shop just a little more pleasant to my ears. Yeah and I love the custom shop gold as well!
Ooh! I also have a 2017 Traditional T that I absolutely love. Looking to get a Gold Top soon!
My traditional/classic. Has the exact thing. And sounds better than the r7 to me
13:35 (R7) VS 13:50 (50s) When playing the muffled sound, the 50s feels blurry but thick but not clear enough. It doesn't have the heavy and clear feeling of the R7.
Good video but the Dire Straits in the background is super distracting.
I just traded my 2022 standard 50's this past weekend toward a 2018 Historic R9 in "Honey lemon fade" and the improvement is substantial! in all area's The CS Les Paul's are stellar guitars! Worth every penny i paid!👍
Hi, I have a Les Paul Standard 60’s & am planning on replacing the Grover tuning machines that it came installed with to the vintage tulip styled Kluson tuning machines. My concern is that the guitar won’t stay in tune once I make the switch. Did you have any issues with the Les Paul Standard 50’s staying in tune when you swapped the Gibson Deluxe machines out for the vintage ones? Thanks!
6:40 50s too bright for me. I like the R7. Warmer than 50s at 6:40.
Turn up the sound and listen with monitor headphones, you will find that the sound of 50 is very bright and harsh, not as warm, soft and not abrupt as R7.
The main differences are mahogany top for r7 and unknown top (maple?) for standard, as well as single piece wood body for r7 and multi pieces wood body for standard. The r7 should have lighter wood body for being a custom.
Excellent comparison! The R7 just has that special edge - fuller, airy-er, a slight more acoustic quality. I did many similar upgrades to my 2011 LP traditional and compared to my CS '61 SG if you want to check my vid (even both played Hideaway haha, sweet!)
Pretty good video mate! Just a question on the feel of the guitars, is there a difference to how the custom shop feels when compared to the standard?
Thanks mate! The custom shop definitely feels better on hands. The neck thickness is almost the same on both guitars but the R7 is more comfortable to play as the neck is slightly more rounded. And I can feel more vibration on hands and clearer pick attack from R7 as well.
The most difficult thing to do is to test multiple custom shops out in person. Even if they are the same finish, they all sound different, feel different, weight different. Even if the difference are marginal, they'll be there. I have two R9's in Lemon Burst, a 2018 VOS and a 2020 Murphy Lab Ultra Heavy Aged. The ML cost over $4k more and looks like dog shit but sounds incredible. Yet when I A/B them the VOS makes sounds that the ML can't. It's rounder and smoother where the ML is more aggressive and biting.
Great video. Thanks for this comparison. I’m not going to comment about the comparisons as those are somewhat subjective- my question is about the amp head: why does the power switch LED blink/ flash? Is that a mod you did or something that is stock on those amps? Thanks
Thank you for the comment. No I haven't done any mod on this amp. It must be the shutter speed settings on my camera causes the blink😆
great video, very consice and to the point as well as great playing and tones all round. As someone who owns a 50's Standard and did many of those same mods I hate to admit that while it sounds great, it's a little sterile when compared to the custom shop. I can't help but wonder how much the pickups play a factor...
It's the magnets that magnets that make the difference
Also unpotted pups would make a difference.
The differences are subtle, but noticeable. They CSR7 has a better top end. The USA sounds a bit darker and less defined. The USA sounds a bit thin by comparrison overall.
Custombuckers in the USA would be interesting.
Soundwise both are great. Can you do us a favor? Can you do a sustain test to see if the Long tenon has something to do with it? I know it's a myth but it's always good to see these kind of tests. Thank you
Thanks for your comment. Unfortunately I no longer own the Standard 50s so I couldn't do the sustain test sorry. I was gonna include this test as well as unplugged sound comparison. However, later I found they are a bit pointless tests since electric guitars meant to be plugged in, and no one would hold a note that long during a song (unless it's Gary Moore XD). As for the sustain every part on the guitar comes into play imho. The long neck tenon definitely makes some contribution but not exclusively. As people say the wood selection and longer drying process for the Custom Shop guitars may also make the difference.
It's a myth... 53 years old and bought and played everything over the years
Thanks for the great video. We can hardly hear you because the loud music :))
Love the standard gold collor better the thw greenish gold of the reissue.
The gold color will turn greenish over time. It is because the copper particles in the gold paint will get oxidized and turn green.
Not much doubt that the R7 sounds better.
Did you not like the Burstbucker 1 & 2 in the original 50's? I have an Original 50's goldtop and I love those creamy pickups. Very Slash sounding as well as nailing all the classic rock tones. Mine's a 2021 model and it's all hand wired with Orange Drop capacitors. Your's must be an earlier model with the PCB board electronics. I didn't even know they made the Original 50's with that type of electronics. Thank God that didn't last. The only mod I'd be willing to do would be to get those Gotoh tuners with the flat head tuning pegs. Do you have a Gotoh part # for those tuners?
Thanks for the comments. I did like the Burstbucker 1 and 2 but I found the neck was lacking a bit of clarity whereas the bridge was too bright. I tried to play around with the pickup height and pole screws but didn't work out. The electronics on my standard 50s is a Jimmy page mod 50s wiring harness hand wiried by Sixstringsupplies UK. The original harness with Orange Drop caps is actually a modern type wiring not 50s wiring unfortunately. The tuners on my standard 50s are Kluson Deluxe SL/SR tuners, made by Gotoh, under Göldo Germany brand and was aged by Crazyparts.de. I believe Gibson used Gotoh made Kluson tuners on their earlier Custom Shop Reissue models. However, these have been changed to WD Music branded Kluson Deluxe (Korea or China made not sure) which is found on today's Custom Shop Reissues.
@@Fanmusic91 yes I know the current wiring harness with the Orange Drops isn't vintage spec but in the video your original 50's had that Gibson branded black plastic holding it all together. Whereas with mine and all others I've seen just had the pots fastened on from the rear with a nut and basic wiring system. It didn't have all that black plastic. I thought that system had been pulled from production when the new ownership took over. But apparently your original 50's had that bulky plastic wiring system. Maybe when they first introduced that model they wanted to use up what was left of that plastic harness. Idk. But yeah I love those Gotoh tuners with flat top tuning pegs. It looks vintage. Thanks for the info on them.
You have done good job. But the pickups are a bit miss. There are many good replica P.A.F pickups. They would be better fitting.
are the two necks similar or is it bigger on the 57?
The 57 is chunckier but in a comfortable way.
Thank you. Enjoyed your video.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the background music - Dire Straits... wasn't Mark Knopfler playing a Stratocaster? Is there some irony that I'm missing?
Mark played his Original 1958 Les Paul standard Burst on that track. 👍
@@These_go_to_eleven_1959 Thanks for the correction. Good to know.
@@rudypospisil4094 He is a great player with a great tone! 👍
The R7 definitely sounds better!
I don’t feel the same. I have a Murphy Lab 59 sunburst Les Paul and it sounds better than USA standards however the biggest difference in my opinion is the resonance, feel and look. Soundwise an upgraded standard is really close soundwise but I would still go with the murphy
shiny one sounds better to my ears 😉
I’m late to the party. Not really a comparison because you out the knockoff pickups in the standard. Put the same pickups in the standard. There is always going to be some variation even between examples of the same model, due to minor variances of parts.
naaaa, Push/Pull Pots on a standard 50ties is kinda weired... This guitar was made to be original..
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Complete waste of time to compare the 2. I can’t believe anybody would think it’s relevant. Fortunately there are other logical videos on YT.