Time Team's Helen Geake on Archaeology vs. Metal Detecting | DigNation 18
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- 🌟 DigNation 20 tickets are now on sale: digventures.co... Once upon a time, archaeologists frowned upon metal detecting. What was wrong with it? Why were so many against it? And why do so many archaeologists embrace it today? In this talk, Helen Geake traces the fascinating history of the developing relationship between archaeologists and detectorists.
Slides available here: www.slideshare...
This talk was given at DigNation, a crowdfunded festival organised by DigVentures and Sir Tony Robinson in honour of beloved Time Team archaeologist Mick Aston. Learn more at digventures.com/
And it still carries on Helen!
I had for years detected on a field that was full of Archaeology, everything was recorded though most not with PAS (because of the numbers of finds PAS limited the amount that they would accept from us!). The field was given over to housing and a firm of contracting archaeologists was employed who I met before the dig started. "No detecting but we'll gladly take your records from you" was the answer that I received! They promptly stripped every inch of soil from the site including at least 10" that was well below any detectors depth capability and more so than any plough this field had received. As it happened a nationally significant Iron Age chariot burial was discovered which featured on one of Alice Roberts programmes.
The thing with the burial was that the horses heads and the upper chariot gear was missing from the burial and the woman who gave a long chat on this appeared somewhat perplexed and said that it was due to agricultural activity. Sorry but no farmer ploughed to that depth but I could have told her where they were..................in that bloody great pile of earth that you'd made at the end of the field along with potentially hundreds if not thousands of other finds from the rest of the site, now completely out of context and lost.
A short time after this the farmer who we had had a good relationship with for 17 years asked us not to detect on any of the rest of his land, his head turned by one of these archaeologists, disgusting.
So in answer I'll start with what I first said, yes Helen it still carries on, the wanton destruction of sites by archaeologists and their dogmatic opinions enabling extremely bad practice and an anti detectorist sympathies.
You're an arse hole. Ranting about something you should have done right, to people who weren't there.
To everyone watching: you can view Helen's slides here > www.slideshare.net/DigNation/13-dr-helen-geake-mick-and-metaldetecting
... nice to listen to the always classy Helen Geake! Great talk! Here in Canada of course we have the same "problem". We also have those wonderful folk who walked farmfields in search of lithics --- they wash them, glue them to a board or stick em in a box never to see the light of day again.... frustrating for me as an archaeologist --- worst case scenario: they turn up on e-bay. Archaeology needs more Helens and more Micks!
Classy? she looked frumpy and cheap in that outfit. She could have at least dressed up for this so called special talk.
@@getin3949 well we have our first and only Helen hater lol...where to begin... first "classy" does not refer to her clothing, it refers to how she carries herself (and I have to explain this to a guy dressed like a pirate??). Secondly, you have some kind of chip on your shoulder by phrasing her presentation as "so-called special talk" so you must be a detectorist and why you watched or commented is beyond me. Besides all that, she treated detectorists fairly
I am working with a archaeologist here in Holland. The newer generation doesn't care :P I am doing a video soon about cleaning Iron in a professional way an also when to " let the professionals clean it" . Thanks for sharing your video!
I work alongside Archeology Units in the field, checking spoil heaps, if it was not for metal detectorists a lot of small finds would be missed, No matter what hobby/interest you have they will always be the criminals who use metal detecting as a way to make money!! Trust is important with Archeology Units, you have to be 'Known' not just turn up on site. ( I have been a Field Archeologist in the past) Joining the NCMD is a good thing to join. as Mike said its another piece of equipment.
Piss poor audio quality. Hated this.
Wah wah wah. Audio quality sounds great. Perhaps you need a better system.
Detectorist's don't do rob important sites ,Nighthawks rob them .Nighthawks are criminal's that use metal detectors ( not detectorists)
Same thing at the end of the day, both looking for history
I'm a Detectorist and a member of the NCMD ( National Council of Metal Detecting ) , when finding something of importance we send both the gps co ordinates and map reference to the local FLO ( Finds Liason Officer ) and if necessary keep the site safe and secure for an Archaeological investigation . We also find surface objects and I for example have the base of a Roman Samian Ware drinking vessel displayed in Derby museum .
Helen is always such a pleasure to listen to ,you always learn something ....smart lady
As a detectorist I knew they would come around. We aren't the bad guys. We love history as much as them. 95 percent would agree. It not about the gold. Although it would be awesome to find a hoard!🤪🤦♂️👍
I greatly look forward to her insight. I was always impressed with her immersive explanations particularly with regard to the Iceni use of toques.
Excellent, thank you
Speaking as an ex-detectorist who attended quite a number of PAS conferences at the
British Museum, there are two sides to this. There are a lot of rogues in the hobby who
are only interested in how much a find is worth, and refuse to declare any of their finds.
There are also archaeologists and FLO's who have tried to get landowners to stop
detectorists detecting on their land, after finds from their land have been declared.
If a student at University has been to lectures given by an archaeologist who is anti
detectorists, the chances are that they will be as well.
Very good talk. I miss Mick and his enthusiasm.
Very interesting lecture. Thank you.
Great topic.
How many times has there been a very important find by a detectorist that archiologists would have never find in twenty lifetimes
I don't think using the Premiere system for so many vids over such a long time was such a good idea. Very frustrating.
Yeah this is already a long time ago.
Thanks for posting.
I am a total Geake geek 😁
Helen you rock. I was always watching for signs of feminism in your archaeological digs with Time Team. Stunning Rubies & gold to me represents the blood & beauty of life on mother earth but was mostly disappointed by the lack of this perspective. 1st yr Archeology prof insisted it is The Study Of MAN! My interest died. so it was a Great finish in your story of the expert saying, "Frankly Helen they could all be women & they would of called us men!" TOO True, so digging down there is much more to be said yet, about the female honoring cultures; and why not re-enliven the research of Marija Gimbutas.(1921-1994)1
was a pioneer in the study of the symbolic imagery of the earliest farming peoples of Europe. Her primary research and interpretations of European prehistory have been at the center of the most crucial debates on European genesis for more
than four decades. In her view, the settlement patterns, burial evidence, and iconographic imagery of the
cultures she called “Old Europe”2
reflect peaceful, matrilineal, endogamous social structures that were
economically egalitarian in which women were honored at the center of ceremonial life.3
I presume this is an old talk? or that there won't be an audience?
Yes, it was from DigNation 2018... and the time before all this virus trouble. Thanks for asking though!
hopefully there will still be an audience though....... just an online one!!
Oh, Helen, you are so missed.
laws and government regulations that are now in place stop people going out buying a metal detector and searching without permission or a licence
Not true as anyone can buy one.
Helen!
At least detectorists don't use mini-diggers and JCB's to dig their holes...
Helen is always such a pleasure to listen to. She is allot like Mick in some ways, knowledgeable but able to look at the evidence before making a judgement unlike one person that was on Time Team that has a fascination with "ritual" so bad that if Helen farted in the trench with him next to her, he would exclaim it was ritual.
If its your land and you've paid for it you should be able to do what you wish with it.
You wouldn't find this in the US.
Any Civil War, Native American, Dinosaur finds you get to keep them. Most people wouldn't keep the dinosaur bones/fossils because museums normally pay people for them.
From what I hear, people in Great B. rarely receive what an item might be worth, instead a paltry sum. Talk to this community and they will back this statement up.
With the greatest respect to the ancient historical finds to be discovered on the North American continent, they do not scratch the surface when compared to the ancient historical metallurgy that is to be found in the U.K. These finds date back to the first ever use of metal on the Island. The finds of copper, bronze, silver and gold are greater significance not only historically, but financially. Detectorists here hand over their finds of ancient artefacts to Finds Liason Officers who collaborate with the Portable Antiquities Scheme/Museums. Such finds are then valued by three independent valuers, and an average fee value is paid out. In the vast majority of cases the museums already have such items in their collections, in which case the finds are listed/recorded etc, and returned to finder/s for them to do with them as they see fit, which includes legally selling them. There are always those who are greedy, and never satisfied with the amounts of monies paid for items that the Museums keep, (money being one of the worst roots of all evil). However, by being honest, and trustworthy, 'doors' open for the legal detectorist/s, that remain firmly closed to 'Nighthawkers/Thieves. Trouble is, honesty, like commonsense, are virtues that aren't that common these days. I love my hobby, so I try to promote it with honesty and sense, and I have gained thousands of acres of detectable land because of it. Take care man, stay safe.