Yeah, but that was a really akward pick. % Of playing breach+freeze in big red deck are around 0. Picking breach over ragavan after ur deck got already a shape, is like a crime. I love lsv, i saw all his videos, but there are months that he become more fancy drafting, like he is searching more for funny/convolute picks than right once. Too many times his decks ended to be 5 color “not that good” piles, while for ages his decks were literally The best everyone could have done drafting (mainly storm, but i think u got The point 😂)
I was the oppo match 1 the confluence was brutal (big regret passing it too ass i went into red later that pack) and game 2 was just a slaughter. Great games as always hope to battle again soon
just finished watching your video with cimo, saw this next in my feed and clicked on it right away, have watched you for years and as someone who plays both magic and yugioh have loved seeing your videos with cimo
Exactly 50% of this deck is mana (16 lands + Dark Ritual + Rite of Flame + Talisman + Monolith). While there are some expensive cards, that feels like a high amount, especially since we also have namesticker... I'll probably eat my words, but wanted to point it out prematches. Edit: At 1:07:40 you talked about having 19 sources and being one above what you needed, even though my count is 20.5, I agree. Hopefully taking out the extra land leads to a little bit more luck on the draw!
I don't think we should keep bringing them up. They were a bit condescending and out of place but their comment also had respect and didn't came from and evil place. Plus, nobody should be shamed in public ever, they are a real person like you me and likely to read this.
@@brittenstaskywicz2436 Yeah receiving criticism in public it's hard, that's exactly the cycle I was describing (and lsv felt). It can be hard for you too, the joke was really funny and it's difficoult to think about other's feelings online. It happens to everyone all the time, me included since I could have been more delicate to you, I'm sorry. English isn't my first language is my only excuse.
Question Lsv: Breach over ragavan is a gamble, but in a 3 on 3 since there are less packs, wouldn’t ragavan be more likely to make your deck considering it’s hard seeing only 6 more packs. Also, with it being a team event, taking ragavan would deprive them of one, while passing breach would do nothing most likely since you already had the brain freeze. Also, it would make it maybe 20% likely that breach wheels and you get both since you had brain freeze already too. Hope this makes sense!
7:40 What are people taking over the Breach, exactly? If you can't come up with three picks after Otharri and Ritual then people are just going to cut the A + B combo they've already seen passed.
This didn't even seem like the best Breach/Brain Freeze deck to begin with. Could have gotten there of course by the end of the draft, but there were no ways to search for combo pieces and make the combo more likely to come together.
@@traycarrot red was open pack one, and passing a ragavan like 6th pick or whatever is a weird signal to give the table at that point. Plus, as he even said he still needed pieces he didn't have, the dark ritual in that same pack for instance. The pack wasn't great, but it was mostly playable, and for someone to take the breach it would have just been a hate pick by someone else. You're right about people having already seen the brain freeze, so maybe they would have cut it, but i think there's still a fair chance it would have come back, and even if not Ragavan is still a good card.
Every red card wheeled this draft. Last pick Rabblemaster and Glorybringer. Breach wheeling was definitely not 0%. I don't even mind the Breach with what we had, but the chance to wheel it felt enough to risk it there.
I oathed myself to death after a non-leathal brainfreeze forgetting that the eldrazi I still had in deck was not one of the ones that shuffles so was actually in my graveyard and no more creatures left in library, granted this was around 4-5 in the morning. I was happy when I qualified in either the next or following draft.
@@jodo__ it isn't though, it's a storm combo, it needs other things. Like he said, it usually needs an LED or some way to make mana and cheap spells to cast in addition. It doesn't always come together. LSV is the type of masterful player who can make it work off so little, but it isn't just an auto win, it takes work, and in his position it was a gamble.
So crazy to see what can happen when you don't scoop. I feel like a lot of time we don't consider the opponent drawing many bricks in a row when it happens pretty frequently to us.
That Breach over Ragavan pick is mad to me. Especially after people passed a Brainfreeze and know they should cut the Breach when they see it. Don't get me wrong, I think that combo is very strong, but I like "splashing" it more in control as a surprise one-shot than in aggro decks that are already pressuring the opponent on the board.
He’s not really an aggro deck at this point. He has zero one drops and one two drop that’s double splashed. Plus he has a Currency Converter and three cheap removal spells.
FOMO w/ Psychic Frog and Glorybringer and Overlord and Goldspan is kinda heat though, I'm surprised you didn't play it. This deck seems pretty deece at getting FOMO up and running.
Breechfreeze is amazing but I was actually sad you passed the dark ritual. Then it came back and I was judging your table. That card is being undervalued.
I have what is hopefully a helpful addition to the Ragavan / breach discussion. Its not a matter of me not getting how good breach brain freeze is - I love and play that combo all the time. But being 3 cards I feel like it functions so much better in a deck that can tutor or at least ponder/preodrain/surveil/draw some cards. There is no function in your deck to find the combo at the time breach is picked and I think itll be just ok at best if you do get all 3 pieces from there. Jamming random combos is generally not good. Im even something of a Ragavan hater and doubter and he's just way too good here. It's not even because of the look, its bc of the treasure - he skips you up to Namesticker and dashes you up to other fatties. I feel like this would have been a really good home for him in this deck. I'll be interested to see how many times Breach rots in hand (or the card you cut it for underperforms) I made a comment a while ago about how the increasing subjectivity of your commentary is a reflection of the win percentage and I think this is a perfect case study. When you made this pick, all you said was how you know like breach-brainfreeze more than most, but you "think its good to take it there" and add that ragavan "is fantastic but isn't the best card in the world." That may be all well and good but it is entirely subjective. And it doesnt actually account for where your deck is at or what relative merits the cards have in this situation, its all down to your opinion. Which I readily concede is worth a lot more than mine as it comes to MTG, but that isn’t the point. Moments later, you're saying you'll take LED over basically any card. For what? To Jam a 3card combo in a deck that is otherwise completely unrelated? Your whole mentality towards the draft inconspicuously shifts and derails the deck you've been going for. Most of the rest of the picks make sense but this one is a perfect red flag IMO. I say this all with the utmost love and respect - but it has to be an indicator of the recent skid trend.
Bang on. But you'll have people hitting you with "LOL, he thinks he knows more than the GOAT". Luis is obviously a GOAT, and has forgotten more about cube than I'll ever know, but he is categorically wrong here and you are completely correct that this type of drafting is directly contributing to his loss streak.
@tepidgoose Appreciate that. As I said, I comment with all love and respect. Just a community member adding my 2cents. And as a lover of LSV content, I have a dog in the fight. I feel the commentary has genuinely dropped in quality due to increased subjectivity. It's a lot of "I like (or dont)", "I'm high on X (or not)", or "X is sick/busted/broken/cracked/ridiculous." It more and more resembles pick order drafting based on personal preference, which is less entertaining.
@pyromusicman21 totally agree with you. And not only do I have a dog in the fight, Luis is literally the very last connection I have to MtG after I quit many years ago. I don't follow any constructed or limited formats of any kind any more, don't follow any competitive play, or new releases or content of any kind except for his cube draft videos. I have no reason to shit on him or his drafting, and no reason to want him to fail or feel like his fans are being assholes. But like you, I can't ignore what I'm seeing. The amount of times now that we've seen the objectively incorrect pick of LED, brain freeze or Breach, often followed by several other related incorrect picks, is quite astounding to me. For someone so good at cube drafting, he is really harming his win rare, and this particular Ragavan pick is probably the most egregious example I've seen to date.
is chainsaw really vintage cube-worthy? 2 mana, sorcery speed deal 3 to a creature only? I know leaving behind an artifact and an ok equipment is something, but it just doesn't feel like enough there there.
I was very surprised he cut it. This deck isn't super fast at enabling delirium but still has a good number of types (including double type creatures), converter, cheap instants + sorceries and fetches, and getting double attacks on goldspan, glorybringer, magda, psychic frog, rabble master, overlord and all the big beefy creatures sounds game winning to me. If this is not a deck for Fomo I think it shouldn't be in the cube.
love the new additions and draft! at 31:42 you mention the possibility of using fiery confluence to kill the tide hollow and deal 4, but would the safest bet be 2 to each creature, 2 to them? u get back the overlord for the final 4?
Both would have worked. I don't think Mardu lurus decks in vintage cube have any instant speed lifegain (i cant think of a single card that does it actually) so at the end of the day same same.
@@Waghabond yeah fair enough - I mean swords technically but it's such an edge case. Just thought was interesting he called out the edge of destroy deal 4 but not deal 2, 2 get overlord back
dont really understand dark ritual over city of traitors in a primarily red deck, you are almost always going to get 4 mana out of city and dark ritual is really only better turn 1.
Just got to the point where you mention Thopter Foundry. It didn't happen today and I kinda get it but Mr and my friend love when you can't take Thopter since you don't have sword and you can't take sword since you don't have Thopter. Didn't apply here but we watch religiously and can't help but play along. Even though you're much much better. Personally I loved your recent combo deck but it was like your first drink after years of sobriety. Too many combos. Anyways if you ever want to break down when and how you decide to spec on powerful cards that's be cool. BK makes for a good foil since he likes to make a few speculation picks. I've been watching forever and loved how you always had perfect mana. Not sure what changed or if something did cause the format got faster and cards more broken.
I'm not sure if you've ever explained why you don't like Mind Twist. It seems super powerful, doesn't casting it when you're at parity or slightly ahead on board just lock up the game? If Hymn to Tourach is "a very good card", Mind Twist has to be pretty great too, right?
To paraphrase from what I remember LSV mentioning awhile back, the reasoning is that the cube has sped up so much that by the time you can get off a significant mind twist it's just too late to have the effect it used to. 3+ MV cards kind of have to impact the board these days, since the cube has sped up in terms of threats, but not so much in the way of fast mana. RE: the comparison to hymn, it's again just the difference between 2 and 3+ mana. Twist at 3 mana is a lot worse than hymn at 2, particularly on the draw when your opponent is resolving Okos and broadside bombardiers et al.
@@olazawho Agree, I'd compare to JTMS who LSV also points out has rather passed his prime. The % of games where opp goes something like t2 Magda/ t3 Gut or t2 Luminarch Aspirant/ t3 Adeline has just dropped the floor out from under ~4 mana plays that don't swing the board much. It's not that they are never good--of course a t4 or t5 Mind Twist emptying opp's hand can still win games, but it's no longer consistent enough in current cube to be more than a niche play. Hymn, assuming you have the mana, has much less of a chance of rotting in your hand. Turn 4 or 5 Hymn plus removal spell or hold up permission is going to be better than Mind Twist for 3 or 4 almost every time, even if overall card advantage is less.
Was it 1 in 210? 15 cards in deck, 2 hits, and OP wins if either of those are in the top 13 cards, standard hypergeometric calc for 104/105 chance to win. They also win if the last two cards were emrakul then vaultborn, which is 50% of the remaining 1/105. The only fail-case was vaultborn + emrakul at the bottom, with the vaultborn drawn first.
Say-ter is pronounced more like that. Lands are the best and worst part of magic. I was at GenCon once playing in the finals in some cool weird old pack draft format playing a boros deck. Think I had like 8/8 land split or something. Kept an opening hand with all red cards and mountains. Turns out the bottom 7 cards of my deck were plains, and the 8th one get incidentally exiled by an opponents creature off the top of my deck.
I wouldn't say never but definitely not with the cards already drafted. Ragavan felt like a gift. I salute the gamble though. Picks like this is one reason I haven't missed one draft since the channel fireball days when the drafts were cut up in parts. Cheers from Sweden
I believe he said 42% over the last 50 drafts. That's abysmal for an LSV-caliber player. I'd be feeling pretty crushed. Nice seeing a little glimmer of the old luck returning this draft.
ok wait so can we unpack the "shock the elf or hold up remand" decision. so tank had up a bunch of mana and only used it for boseiju and nothing else meaningful. ok, so why would shocking the elf even matter then? If they didn't seem to have anything good to do in hand, and the only realistic threat was a topdeck, why would shocking one mana source (when they kinda had more than enough mana) be better than holding up a remand to stop their potential topdeck? I just don't get it. I just don't see how shocking one mana dork would have helped either way, so why not hold up the counter?
I get the feeling fast mana is being overvalued. What you’re rushing out in these games isn’t exactly game ending so you’re running out of gas. Maybe not valuing rite of flame so highly is correct? It always seems to get sided out anyway
Breach over Ragavan is straight insane. I hate being the internet asshole whole tells one of the GOATs how to draft, but that's just an objectively incorrect pick. Luis literally says a few mins later "this deck didn't end up with any problems closing, so I guess I'd prefer the Ragavan" But that was always going to be true, he was playing big red. Like, even if he drafted LED in pack 3, that would have been bad in his deck. Adding 3 cards that are mostly shite in isolation to your deck that has relatively little card selection & draw is just poor drafting. Sorry Luis. I know I sound like an asshole. But I feel you need to adjust your rating of that combo and stop trying to force it into everything, all the time.
Get you someone who loves you as much as LSV loves breach/brain freeze.
Yeah, but that was a really akward pick. % Of playing breach+freeze in big red deck are around 0. Picking breach over ragavan after ur deck got already a shape, is like a crime. I love lsv, i saw all his videos, but there are months that he become more fancy drafting, like he is searching more for funny/convolute picks than right once. Too many times his decks ended to be 5 color “not that good” piles, while for ages his decks were literally The best everyone could have done drafting (mainly storm, but i think u got The point 😂)
That’s not possible.
Would love to see some throwback ~2015 mtgo vintage cube drafts, put into perspective how much the format has changed in the last 10 years
The worlds live vintage cube list seems pretty much that vibe, they could draft that one. Would love to see it
Back when drafts were split into separate videos for the draft and each round, lol. I remember consecrated sphynx being a great big drop
“Oath of Druids claims another victim!” Hahaha 😂
Can you explain what happened?
I was the oppo match 1 the confluence was brutal (big regret passing it too ass i went into red later that pack) and game 2 was just a slaughter. Great games as always hope to battle again soon
I’ve enjoyed your addition to the draft server, cheers 🍻
I was there too, I was the confluence
Finally some mind twist appreciation
just finished watching your video with cimo, saw this next in my feed and clicked on it right away, have watched you for years and as someone who plays both magic and yugioh have loved seeing your videos with cimo
I’m loving the yugioh rates content tbh. Seeing LSV’s take on yugioh cards is great and I’m happy to see now 4 videos with the collab.
I hope the YuGiOh community somehow convinces him to take on RJB0 and E3's Edison Cube at some point.
Exactly 50% of this deck is mana (16 lands + Dark Ritual + Rite of Flame + Talisman + Monolith). While there are some expensive cards, that feels like a high amount, especially since we also have namesticker... I'll probably eat my words, but wanted to point it out prematches.
Edit: At 1:07:40 you talked about having 19 sources and being one above what you needed, even though my count is 20.5, I agree. Hopefully taking out the extra land leads to a little bit more luck on the draw!
I wonder if that guy woke up this morning and decided he’s going to tell lsv how to play magic again
I hope it's my turn soon, I have some crazy ideas that will really improve LSV's gameplay
I don't think we should keep bringing them up.
They were a bit condescending and out of place but their comment also had respect and didn't came from and evil place.
Plus, nobody should be shamed in public ever, they are a real person like you me and likely to read this.
@@riccardoaquilini6610 nah
@@brittenstaskywicz2436 Yeah receiving criticism in public it's hard, that's exactly the cycle I was describing (and lsv felt).
It can be hard for you too, the joke was really funny and it's difficoult to think about other's feelings online.
It happens to everyone all the time, me included since I could have been more delicate to you, I'm sorry.
English isn't my first language is my only excuse.
What are you guys talking about?
That first game punishment for not taking Ragavan
Question Lsv: Breach over ragavan is a gamble, but in a 3 on 3 since there are less packs, wouldn’t ragavan be more likely to make your deck considering it’s hard seeing only 6 more packs. Also, with it being a team event, taking ragavan would deprive them of one, while passing breach would do nothing most likely since you already had the brain freeze. Also, it would make it maybe 20% likely that breach wheels and you get both since you had brain freeze already too. Hope this makes sense!
I thought exactly this. The only likely thing is someone hates the breach and it doesn't wheel. He just can't resist and I can't blame him.
7:40 What are people taking over the Breach, exactly? If you can't come up with three picks after Otharri and Ritual then people are just going to cut the A + B combo they've already seen passed.
This didn't even seem like the best Breach/Brain Freeze deck to begin with. Could have gotten there of course by the end of the draft, but there were no ways to search for combo pieces and make the combo more likely to come together.
@@traycarrot red was open pack one, and passing a ragavan like 6th pick or whatever is a weird signal to give the table at that point. Plus, as he even said he still needed pieces he didn't have, the dark ritual in that same pack for instance. The pack wasn't great, but it was mostly playable, and for someone to take the breach it would have just been a hate pick by someone else. You're right about people having already seen the brain freeze, so maybe they would have cut it, but i think there's still a fair chance it would have come back, and even if not Ragavan is still a good card.
Every red card wheeled this draft. Last pick Rabblemaster and Glorybringer. Breach wheeling was definitely not 0%. I don't even mind the Breach with what we had, but the chance to wheel it felt enough to risk it there.
@1:05:59 "so i think im gunna get volcanic island" made me scream at you across time and space
good thing he didn't get it.
Opponent with a sweet Lurrus deck, i think that card is pretty underrated. Hopefully this draft put it on LSV's radar.
Nah I don’t think he’d like it
I oathed myself to death after a non-leathal brainfreeze forgetting that the eldrazi I still had in deck was not one of the ones that shuffles so was actually in my graveyard and no more creatures left in library, granted this was around 4-5 in the morning. I was happy when I qualified in either the next or following draft.
Breach over Ragavan was pretty wild imo ! But I respect the gamble !
RaGavan sucks
brainfreeze breach is a 2 card win con.
@@jodo__ ya it's so good he didnt play it
@@jodo__ splinter twin + exarch is a 2 card win con and it's not even in the cube. that doesn't make it automatically good
@@jodo__ it isn't though, it's a storm combo, it needs other things. Like he said, it usually needs an LED or some way to make mana and cheap spells to cast in addition. It doesn't always come together. LSV is the type of masterful player who can make it work off so little, but it isn't just an auto win, it takes work, and in his position it was a gamble.
“I’m not going to turn 1 Dark Ritual into Carnage Interpreter”
My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined
The sound LSV makes at 1:15:10 made me check my phone for new messages
"oath of druids claims another victim" I LOVE IT!!
So crazy to see what can happen when you don't scoop. I feel like a lot of time we don't consider the opponent drawing many bricks in a row when it happens pretty frequently to us.
That Breach over Ragavan pick is mad to me. Especially after people passed a Brainfreeze and know they should cut the Breach when they see it. Don't get me wrong, I think that combo is very strong, but I like "splashing" it more in control as a surprise one-shot than in aggro decks that are already pressuring the opponent on the board.
He’s not really an aggro deck at this point. He has zero one drops and one two drop that’s double splashed. Plus he has a Currency Converter and three cheap removal spells.
It didn’t end up making the deck, but if he got a Lotus Petal and a Preordain it might have ended up super sick in the deck.
depends on the other 7 players
Sweet deck fosho ! Good shit brotha man
Breach over ragavan was wild. Really felt like I was about to watch another draft get derailed by swinging for the fences on that combo.
FOMO w/ Psychic Frog and Glorybringer and Overlord and Goldspan is kinda heat though, I'm surprised you didn't play it. This deck seems pretty deece at getting FOMO up and running.
Beautiful! Last card Embrakul! 😂
Breechfreeze is amazing but I was actually sad you passed the dark ritual. Then it came back and I was judging your table. That card is being undervalued.
I have what is hopefully a helpful addition to the Ragavan / breach discussion. Its not a matter of me not getting how good breach brain freeze is - I love and play that combo all the time. But being 3 cards I feel like it functions so much better in a deck that can tutor or at least ponder/preodrain/surveil/draw some cards. There is no function in your deck to find the combo at the time breach is picked and I think itll be just ok at best if you do get all 3 pieces from there. Jamming random combos is generally not good. Im even something of a Ragavan hater and doubter and he's just way too good here. It's not even because of the look, its bc of the treasure - he skips you up to Namesticker and dashes you up to other fatties. I feel like this would have been a really good home for him in this deck. I'll be interested to see how many times Breach rots in hand (or the card you cut it for underperforms)
I made a comment a while ago about how the increasing subjectivity of your commentary is a reflection of the win percentage and I think this is a perfect case study. When you made this pick, all you said was how you know like breach-brainfreeze more than most, but you "think its good to take it there" and add that ragavan "is fantastic but isn't the best card in the world." That may be all well and good but it is entirely subjective. And it doesnt actually account for where your deck is at or what relative merits the cards have in this situation, its all down to your opinion. Which I readily concede is worth a lot more than mine as it comes to MTG, but that isn’t the point. Moments later, you're saying you'll take LED over basically any card. For what? To Jam a 3card combo in a deck that is otherwise completely unrelated? Your whole mentality towards the draft inconspicuously shifts and derails the deck you've been going for. Most of the rest of the picks make sense but this one is a perfect red flag IMO. I say this all with the utmost love and respect - but it has to be an indicator of the recent skid trend.
Bang on. But you'll have people hitting you with "LOL, he thinks he knows more than the GOAT".
Luis is obviously a GOAT, and has forgotten more about cube than I'll ever know, but he is categorically wrong here and you are completely correct that this type of drafting is directly contributing to his loss streak.
@tepidgoose Appreciate that. As I said, I comment with all love and respect. Just a community member adding my 2cents. And as a lover of LSV content, I have a dog in the fight. I feel the commentary has genuinely dropped in quality due to increased subjectivity. It's a lot of "I like (or dont)", "I'm high on X (or not)", or "X is sick/busted/broken/cracked/ridiculous." It more and more resembles pick order drafting based on personal preference, which is less entertaining.
@pyromusicman21 totally agree with you. And not only do I have a dog in the fight, Luis is literally the very last connection I have to MtG after I quit many years ago. I don't follow any constructed or limited formats of any kind any more, don't follow any competitive play, or new releases or content of any kind except for his cube draft videos.
I have no reason to shit on him or his drafting, and no reason to want him to fail or feel like his fans are being assholes.
But like you, I can't ignore what I'm seeing. The amount of times now that we've seen the objectively incorrect pick of LED, brain freeze or Breach, often followed by several other related incorrect picks, is quite astounding to me. For someone so good at cube drafting, he is really harming his win rare, and this particular Ragavan pick is probably the most egregious example I've seen to date.
is chainsaw really vintage cube-worthy? 2 mana, sorcery speed deal 3 to a creature only? I know leaving behind an artifact and an ok equipment is something, but it just doesn't feel like enough there there.
like should we just add volcanic hammer to vintage cube?
Are we back?
You can call him the captain of the Rancho Carne High School cheerleading squad because he’s still big red.
Got to change that full art Silent Hallcreeper.
fomo would have been sick in this deck
I was very surprised he cut it. This deck isn't super fast at enabling delirium but still has a good number of types (including double type creatures), converter, cheap instants + sorceries and fetches, and getting double attacks on goldspan, glorybringer, magda, psychic frog, rabble master, overlord and all the big beefy creatures sounds game winning to me.
If this is not a deck for Fomo I think it shouldn't be in the cube.
Awesome games!
Only slight bit of feedback for casting concerns is that the fallout Securitron is pronounced like the modern deck.
He can't keep getting away with this
NVM, he didn't mainboard Breach Freeze
love the new additions and draft!
at 31:42 you mention the possibility of using fiery confluence to kill the tide hollow and deal 4, but would the safest bet be 2 to each creature, 2 to them? u get back the overlord for the final 4?
Both would have worked. I don't think Mardu lurus decks in vintage cube have any instant speed lifegain (i cant think of a single card that does it actually) so at the end of the day same same.
@@Waghabond yeah fair enough - I mean swords technically but it's such an edge case. Just thought was interesting he called out the edge of destroy deal 4 but not deal 2, 2 get overlord back
could have swords
@@jewpcabra666 ah yep, knew i was forgetting something. The existence of swords definitely makes it a slight misplay
A surveil land would have been good to have here. Cool deck though!
I would so love to be a part of one of these drafts.
breach over Monkey is crazy to me.
Rip the psychic frog +1/+1
I miss when #1 lsv would religiously draft mono red in cube
And 2 when mono red was actually a legit thing in the power scheme of cube lol
dont really understand dark ritual over city of traitors in a primarily red deck, you are almost always going to get 4 mana out of city and dark ritual is really only better turn 1.
33:59 why not side in firebolt?
41:52 i see :)
Never stop posting vintage cube! 🫶🃏
Just got to the point where you mention Thopter Foundry. It didn't happen today and I kinda get it but Mr and my friend love when you can't take Thopter since you don't have sword and you can't take sword since you don't have Thopter.
Didn't apply here but we watch religiously and can't help but play along. Even though you're much much better.
Personally I loved your recent combo deck but it was like your first drink after years of sobriety. Too many combos.
Anyways if you ever want to break down when and how you decide to spec on powerful cards that's be cool. BK makes for a good foil since he likes to make a few speculation picks.
I've been watching forever and loved how you always had perfect mana. Not sure what changed or if something did cause the format got faster and cards more broken.
boiler daddy is the truth
I'm not sure if you've ever explained why you don't like Mind Twist. It seems super powerful, doesn't casting it when you're at parity or slightly ahead on board just lock up the game?
If Hymn to Tourach is "a very good card", Mind Twist has to be pretty great too, right?
To paraphrase from what I remember LSV mentioning awhile back, the reasoning is that the cube has sped up so much that by the time you can get off a significant mind twist it's just too late to have the effect it used to. 3+ MV cards kind of have to impact the board these days, since the cube has sped up in terms of threats, but not so much in the way of fast mana. RE: the comparison to hymn, it's again just the difference between 2 and 3+ mana. Twist at 3 mana is a lot worse than hymn at 2, particularly on the draw when your opponent is resolving Okos and broadside bombardiers et al.
@@olazawho Agree, I'd compare to JTMS who LSV also points out has rather passed his prime. The % of games where opp goes something like t2 Magda/ t3 Gut or t2 Luminarch Aspirant/ t3 Adeline has just dropped the floor out from under ~4 mana plays that don't swing the board much. It's not that they are never good--of course a t4 or t5 Mind Twist emptying opp's hand can still win games, but it's no longer consistent enough in current cube to be more than a niche play. Hymn, assuming you have the mana, has much less of a chance of rotting in your hand. Turn 4 or 5 Hymn plus removal spell or hold up permission is going to be better than Mind Twist for 3 or 4 almost every time, even if overall card advantage is less.
Just a measily 1/225 chance.
But who cares, that was insane! xD
Was it 1 in 210? 15 cards in deck, 2 hits, and OP wins if either of those are in the top 13 cards, standard hypergeometric calc for 104/105 chance to win. They also win if the last two cards were emrakul then vaultborn, which is 50% of the remaining 1/105. The only fail-case was vaultborn + emrakul at the bottom, with the vaultborn drawn first.
Say-ter is pronounced more like that. Lands are the best and worst part of magic. I was at GenCon once playing in the finals in some cool weird old pack draft format playing a boros deck. Think I had like 8/8 land split or something. Kept an opening hand with all red cards and mountains. Turns out the bottom 7 cards of my deck were plains, and the 8th one get incidentally exiled by an opponents creature off the top of my deck.
Critted with disadvantage?
Watching this deck limp to the finish line over and over again was hella satisfying. Pity about the final round, I was hoping to see it happen again
I feel like the "always storming LSV" blue player has turned into a red player in the last few months. Maybe that explains the loosing streak?
Ahh, my daily dose!
The breach over Ragavan is not a pick that I would have ever made
I wouldn't say never but definitely not with the cards already drafted. Ragavan felt like a gift. I salute the gamble though. Picks like this is one reason I haven't missed one draft since the channel fireball days when the drafts were cut up in parts.
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Your win percentage isn't that bad LSV.
I believe he said 42% over the last 50 drafts. That's abysmal for an LSV-caliber player. I'd be feeling pretty crushed. Nice seeing a little glimmer of the old luck returning this draft.
@@WesleyMaguire-sy2nj I was being funny because it can read that he got a win and that's 1:400 for him.
LSV with the Breach/Freeze blindspot (remember he took BF over Unholy Heat as well).
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I first read "street draft"
ok wait so can we unpack the "shock the elf or hold up remand" decision. so tank had up a bunch of mana and only used it for boseiju and nothing else meaningful. ok, so why would shocking the elf even matter then? If they didn't seem to have anything good to do in hand, and the only realistic threat was a topdeck, why would shocking one mana source (when they kinda had more than enough mana) be better than holding up a remand to stop their potential topdeck? I just don't get it. I just don't see how shocking one mana dork would have helped either way, so why not hold up the counter?
I get the feeling fast mana is being overvalued. What you’re rushing out in these games isn’t exactly game ending so you’re running out of gas. Maybe not valuing rite of flame so highly is correct? It always seems to get sided out anyway
Gonna have to agree with the comments here: Passing Ragavan seems absolutely mad
Dude do you need more players? I’ll play
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Breach over Ragavan is straight insane. I hate being the internet asshole whole tells one of the GOATs how to draft, but that's just an objectively incorrect pick.
Luis literally says a few mins later "this deck didn't end up with any problems closing, so I guess I'd prefer the Ragavan"
But that was always going to be true, he was playing big red. Like, even if he drafted LED in pack 3, that would have been bad in his deck. Adding 3 cards that are mostly shite in isolation to your deck that has relatively little card selection & draw is just poor drafting. Sorry Luis. I know I sound like an asshole. But I feel you need to adjust your rating of that combo and stop trying to force it into everything, all the time.
Correct - you do sound like an asshole 😂
@LSVargas I deserve that. No doubt. You've given me years of free entertainment and I appreciate it a lot. Nothing but love my man
The Brainfreeze, breach, led obsession is brutal to watch...poor ragavan.
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