It also appears that those oval lugs were flat on their base rather than designed with a radiused underside that would sit perfectly flush to shell. That doesn’t seem like a recipe for success.
2:06 "...rubber on an acoustic instrument is silly ..." Ever hear of a rubber bridge guitar? Ya' know, what you're concerning yourself with as far as gaskets and lugs go doesn't really mean a lot about the drum's sound. Science has studied and proven what makes the most sound from a drum when played. The head makes 80% and the shell 20%. So, I'd say fussin' over lugs with or without rubber gaskets isn't worth chewing on... 6:27 "There's no reason for gaskets, folks, none at all, they're a detriment to your drums..." Well, a studio recording engineer might have a different opinion about that if a buzz or rattle, etc. is detected coming from a drum set in a recording session.
I had problems with my full length tama luggs snapping I the centre. So I made gaskets out of automotive gasket paper and that seems to have done job. Been 2 years since. No problems whatsoever even with turning. With the gasket paper it confirms to the lugg and the shell. Cut the paper oversize to the lugg. Hole punch for screws. Fix the lugg to the shell and then I carefully cut around the lugg.
Makes sense Jeff. I have this same PDP kit in emerald fade and love it. Bought it new in 2008. I would put this kit up against any high end big money kit any day. It tunes up nice and easy but I do notice a slight playability factor where the stick response just doesn’t feel optimal compared to a set I played with a round over edge. I want to cut a slight round over on the outside myself. Do you have an email I can contact?
interesting question but I dont know. I tighten until the lock washers close. But with rubber under the lugs, there's no way to get an accurate torque reading even if you had a number
Helps a lot! I have a Keller kit that is locally built and the fabricator always said that gaskets are bad but never explained why... Still, my drums are very hard to tune, but that is another issue...
That's probably the builders choice of bearing edge. I would guess your edges are cut from inside all the way to the outside. This edge ruins tuning on keller shells.
In this case the lug fixing holes are too close to the edge of the lug .... Causing a weakness and failure of the ply around the hole.... Once the ply starts to fail it will continue to fail....
The gaskets on his drums are visual effect only. They're just an o-ring that rests around the cercumference of the lug. Just to make people think they have them.
@@drumrboynoid Also, maybe because removing them could affect tuning ease and look kind of...dumb? I put gaskets on my snare today (built it a fewmm undersized I guess). Routed from cheap vinyl baseboard material. Lug splay doesn't affect tuning (IME) unless you're really cranking up high. It never sounds bad, but it always looks wrong.
@@DrMackSplackem Removing gaskets improves tuning. Particularly tuning range. If your drums only sing at one note, its because the gaskets are choking out the shells responsiveness. Floating the tuning parts on gaskets is something you'll never see on any other instrument. Because it's silly.
@@portlanddrums Yeah, fortunately the drum doesn't suffer from that issue. All I needed was for the rods not to bind at high tunings. I could've instead used some hardwood spacer material to get the splay angle under control, but this ended up working fine.
It also appears that those oval lugs were flat on their base rather than designed with a radiused underside that would sit perfectly flush to shell. That doesn’t seem like a recipe for success.
2:06 "...rubber on an acoustic instrument is silly ..." Ever hear of a rubber bridge guitar? Ya' know, what you're concerning yourself with as far as gaskets and lugs go doesn't really mean a lot about the drum's sound. Science has studied and proven what makes the most sound from a drum when played. The head makes 80% and the shell 20%. So, I'd say fussin' over lugs with or without rubber gaskets isn't worth chewing on... 6:27 "There's no reason for gaskets, folks, none at all, they're a detriment to your drums..." Well, a studio recording engineer might have a different opinion about that if a buzz or rattle, etc. is detected coming from a drum set in a recording session.
Jeff, I still love this video. I was just looking at my Gretsch gaskets tonight. They’re so comin off!
I had problems with my full length tama luggs snapping I the centre. So I made gaskets out of automotive gasket paper and that seems to have done job. Been 2 years since. No problems whatsoever even with turning. With the gasket paper it confirms to the lugg and the shell. Cut the paper oversize to the lugg. Hole punch for screws. Fix the lugg to the shell and then I carefully cut around the lugg.
Makes sense Jeff. I have this same PDP kit in emerald fade and love it. Bought it new in 2008. I would put this kit up against any high end big money kit any day. It tunes up nice and easy but I do notice a slight playability factor where the stick response just doesn’t feel optimal compared to a set I played with a round over edge. I want to cut a slight round over on the outside myself. Do you have an email I can contact?
Damn you really got me thinking now, lol so its either endless amount of gasket/lugs replacementa and re tunning, or the possibility of a broken tom?
What is the torque value for a modern day Lug on a Ludwig Black Beauty?
interesting question but I dont know. I tighten until the lock washers close. But with rubber under the lugs, there's no way to get an accurate torque reading even if you had a number
Hard or soft wood has to be a factor to consider.
Helps a lot!
I have a Keller kit that is locally built and the fabricator always said that gaskets are bad but never explained why...
Still, my drums are very hard to tune, but that is another issue...
That's probably the builders choice of bearing edge. I would guess your edges are cut from inside all the way to the outside. This edge ruins tuning on keller shells.
In this case the lug fixing holes are too close to the edge of the lug .... Causing a weakness and failure of the ply around the hole.... Once the ply starts to fail it will continue to fail....
They're all built this way but show no problems until the gaskets degrade. I drill close to the edge regularly and it's not a problem at all.
Thank You!
I'm a bit confused here, because on your page your drums also seem to have gaskets. Are they special gaskets?
The gaskets on his drums are visual effect only. They're just an o-ring that rests around the cercumference of the lug. Just to make people think they have them.
@@drumrboynoid Also, maybe because removing them could affect tuning ease and look kind of...dumb? I put gaskets on my snare today (built it a fewmm undersized I guess). Routed from cheap vinyl baseboard material. Lug splay doesn't affect tuning (IME) unless you're really cranking up high. It never sounds bad, but it always looks wrong.
@@DrMackSplackem Removing gaskets improves tuning. Particularly tuning range. If your drums only sing at one note, its because the gaskets are choking out the shells responsiveness. Floating the tuning parts on gaskets is something you'll never see on any other instrument. Because it's silly.
@@portlanddrums Yeah, fortunately the drum doesn't suffer from that issue. All I needed was for the rods not to bind at high tunings. I could've instead used some hardwood spacer material to get the splay angle under control, but this ended up working fine.
This could have been a 30 second video. Moral of the story...you don't need gaskets and don't over tighten your lugs. The end.
So can 99% of every other video on TH-cam. Dont hate the player, hate the game.
I disagree, this video has it all! Including comedy and a pg13 warning!