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"Just because you are sincere, does not mean you cannot be sincerely wrong." is a hella strong message for almost anyone.
Harvey Specter thanks for the love! 🙌
I always believed that
i can say it confidently i m not wrong with my religion and its the only truth in this world.
Totally agree.
Wow Harvey, you're not only the best damn closer in the city, you're also very wise 😁
The Wise one lmao, you are sincerely wrong
Giving little girls estrogen to force puberty... That’s horror movie material. Absolutely evil.
The more evil thing is those people intentionally did that to the girls for a "very clear purpose".
That was heartbreaking
i really was shaken up by this comment. truly horrible.
What do you mean. I dont really understand?
Morenike Ay One of the ex-members said that their cult leader used to give girls estrogen to force menstruation, breast growth etc
Honestly, it shows how good and patient this people are that they didn't get mad at Jody for always interrupting and make the moment about her. I think they noticed that she is still very angry, troubled and needed a outlet.
😢 maybe I'm just too sensitive
Well, it isn't exactly an easy thing to relive, especially in public. You didn't have to comment about it, just obsereve and try to sympathize.
thank you for putting it into words
@@daughterofgod4927 You must be new here...discouraging someone not to comment on this video is not the point of these Jubilee videos. These videos are to promote open dialogue. OP has every right to comment their opinion just like you just did, Daughter of God.
@@Newuser000 Just as you're advocating for her right to have an opinion, I gave mine because for me, i genuinely was able to empathize with that woman hearing what she went through. I'm an empath. So seeing someone bash her for the way she acts, maybe trying to cope with the trauma she would've faced as a child struck me a certain way. But you didn't see me tell her not to comment did I? I simply suggested that she didn't have to, and she can choose to see things from a different perspective or not and that's fine.
My favorite answer, "I am a better person in spite of my experiences." I always get a sick feeling in my stomach when people infer that I am strong or resilient because of what I've been through, as though I should be grateful to my abusers. I love who I am in spite of those who made me this way.
I appreciate what you said.
I can understand that "strong " is supposed to be meant as an acknowledgment or uplifting nod to who you are now having gone through so much. But I see from your explanation how it does not come off that way and ends up having the opposite affect. So To gain some better insight, what could one say to respectfully acknowledge you & what you have been thru?
Agreed. I always didn't know how to feel about me being 'better' in a sense because of my father being a rapist and the insight that gave me, until I read about the trial where those parents who kept their 12 kids shackled to their home were told by the judge that if their kids went on to do great things, it wasn't because of them, but in SPITE of them. It made me feel so much better about my situation!
Yes I love this take! Thank you. Resonates with me so strongly.
I feel exactly the same way. Abusers themselves often claim that you're better off because of what happened... Often they argue you owe them because of it.
It's more like you should be greatful you didn't break. It's about validating your own strength. Tilt the perspective a bit. Might see something different.
I don’t see anyone talking about how that one leader gave 8 year old girls oestrogen???? My jaw dropped, that’s so disgusting
whats oestrogen
What's that
His name is Tony Alamo, and he died a couple years back in prison. Unfortunately, he was able to perpetrate this behavior for decades, and was even protected by the parents of the girls he abused. One of the worst stories I heard about him, is that when his wife, Susan, died in the early 1980s, he had her placed in a clear casket in the foyer of his primary home, and had the children at the compound hold a round the clock prayer vigil in the foyer for days, or maybe weeks, telling his followers that if the children prayed true enough that she would be resurrected.
Caoi DB literally horrific. Even girls who do get their periods age 8 (I actually did) are NOT by any means women! They’re still little girls who like to play with toys and definitely don’t want to be married
For those who don't know what oestrogen is, it's the female sex hormone. Like testosterone for males. It's basically what gives a woman her characteristics, girls are mainly affected by it whilst going through puberty. So he was speeding up little girls and making them mature far too early. It's disgusting
I feel awful for Jodi but it really bothered me that she kept interrupting people
And how she tried to tell them that they cant have some fond memories of their time in a cult. Or tried to compare their experience with hers
@@starr7093 it's because of how different her experience was to there's. She wasn't in the same situations that any of them were and because of the work she does she's trying to get a specific answer from them
Yeeeessss! I hate she went through such a horrible period in her life, but it irked tf out of me how she persistently cut people off and tried to invalidate other people’s positive experiences. Somebody should’ve told her that her one and ONLY job is to speak on HER experiences, NOT to try and persuade others to feel how she feels.
@@kianaparnell6251 I think Its because she didnt want them to picture cults as a positive thing. I agree with Jodi more and I appreciate her speaking out. Like yeah she did interrupt people but I like her persistence that she wanted to convey to them and try to make them think about what they were saying.
@@andreaburton3012 But that was the entire point of the prompt. To showcase that cults exist and people "don't just leave" bc there is so much good there juxtaposed alongside the evil. It's confusing. That needed to be said. She's not a cult survivor but an institutionalized violence survivor. They're very different so ofc she only experienced suffering. Cults intentionally fill you up with fond memories and good things to make you stay. And will then torture you the very next day.
Her interrupting them and denying that reality perpetuates the misunderstanding of cults. I'm a survivor of both. And her taking the reins the way she did to control how they spoke about their cult experience, in a cult episode, really bothered me.
“I had 1 dad” Ok, “4 moms” uhh, “Im one of 45 kids” 😦
Imagine the child support 🤣🤣🤣
How is it possible for a woman to give birth approximately 11 times, that's crazy
@@krisimarovska6244 some women have 15
@@krisimarovska6244 my grandma had 14 kids, it's definitely not common but possible. Must say also dangerous.
I feel bad for the moms tbh 😔 11,25 CHILDREN?
I don’t think Jodi meant wrong by interrupting the others. She is rightfully angry and traumatized from her experiences. I notice she would interrupt when the others recalled the more positive moments in their experiences. I just wish her and the others the best and continue to heal.
She also interrupted Benjamin because he said he wasn't a consenting adult. Not a positive memory. I do respect her anger though
Actually, she seems to be super arrogant and have a bad personality, no wonder her family had no idea what to do with her
Everyone: it was pretty good we were a big family
Jodi: I was imprisoned and abused
Sarah 147 Thank you Sarah for your voice! Appreciate you 💗
Benjamin: Well yes that happened to me and was bad but it was still fond memories
@@LamesWivams It just shows how brainwashed these guys are...
KINITO PRO No. It just means they had different experiences. The reason they didnt leave immediately is b/c they enjoyed the good times so they pushed down the horrible ones. Instead of just saying it was all bad, they are recognizing that there were some of they were in a fog of good moments, but it understanding the toxic nature of the environment.
@@SIAOrganization Thank you so much for what you do ❤️ Jodi, you're incredibly brave, and I'm so glad you help children who have been in similar situations to you. You're making the world better, bit by bit.
They should do a video with teens who were sent to gay correctional camps. Its absolutely awful what they put those kids through..
Edit: Glad so many of you guys agree, they definitely need to do it now!
Lacey Gallagher yeeees that would be so interesting 🤔
Wait I didn’t knee this existed 😳
@@ellisdee6527 Yup. Gay kids, or kids suspected of being gay, are sent off to 'fix' their sexuality. That often involves intrusive therapy, both solo and group, food and sleep deprivation, physical and sexual abuse, and dangerous 'therapies' like electroshock. It has a very low success rate and a very high trauma rate, unsurprisingly.
@@breememe6192 Since most states consider them 'religious therapy' they unfortunately are in most of the US. A few states and counties have banned them outright though.
@@ellisdee6527 Yep they exist. My friend told me about their experiences there and its very unfortunate
Jodi's story is so sad but she needs to realize that those two men where born into their situations. It's not "getting acclimated" into their environment making them blind to the horrible things going on. She had to acclimate because she had the chance to see how a normal family situation functions. Those two men had known nothing but that, so they had no reason to question what was going on. She needs to stop devalidating their experiences just because they view their experiences differently.
@@rohar8964 But that fact that she knew her family was dysfunctional and not great, but the dudes didn't. They grew up thinking that it they were right and better than everyone else cause that's all they got exposed to. Jodi grew up around functioning families and people that aren't in their family, so she could easily recognize what was wrong and right.
That's a really good point. The term acclimate went right over my head the first time.
You're claiming that she knew what a normal family is like. How do you know that?
@@alyssalewis8421 cause she grew up around normal families my guy and seen em on TV
None of them had normal families
I hope Jody is getting therapy. Seems like she had a real tough time and she still needs to work through it.
Every former cult member needs therapy, why is everyone getting on Jodi
@@RocinanteRocinante because of how she acted during the video, im on neither side of hating her or agreeing with her. yeah she has resentment and is angry and her justifying herself is good but she shouldn't let the other people speak whats on their mind without interrupting them. in my opinion i think she could have waiting until they were fully done with their sentence and then spoke, at the same time though its a very traumatic issue so not being able to control your actions is a very likely thing.
I couldn’t help but feel she was trying to have the worst experience like she kept trying to out-do the others using the “I had it worse” stories
@@yuuuhhhh707 if you looked into the troubled teen industry, I doubt you would feel the same way. As someone who has gone through that, I can personally say the abuses are next level terrible.
Mind you, I grew up in a cult already, and then my parents sent me to a camp, so I have two distinct cult experiences, and while the one I was born in was/is terrible, the camp was worse.
@@enigmatic9118 Not disagreeing with you. Teen correctional programs are definitely horrible & next level. It's true.
That being said & acknowledged, I don't believe that gives her a right to invalidate, interrupt & put down the experiences of others, simply because it wasn't as bad as hers.
Still, I can understand her frustration seeing them have fond memories & forgiveness towards what happened them when what she happened to her was very dark & evil. Still, that does not make their experiences invalid & they deserve to speak about it freely & openly. To tell their stories
The guy in all blue seems like such an understanding guy
Edit: they should do; " do all foster kids think the same"
"Do all child stars think the same"
Jurnee Washington he reminds me of markiplier lol
Tjoflöjt Mayonnaise that’s what I was thinking haha!
@@nejtack7963 OMG he does lmao
There are two guys in all blue
yeah I gotta say I wasn't a fan of the woman in red from the reform school.
She was trying to convince them that they were all wrong in their standpoints on their cults/cult leaders just because hers was more extreme.
Other members of that chat had to call her out multiple times throughout this video :/
The comment about the 8-year-old girls shocked me to my core. These cult leaders are sick.
Kira Raquel and he said the cult still exist !
Just wait until the black out this week.
@@ca-dc9wo The leader is dead now though.
Yes, that is horrible!
As an Arab woman, that didn't rly shock me. The Oestrogen part is new, but really same concept.
that part about the leader giving little girls estrogen so they could develop quicker was absolutely sick
Sickening
It’s also very scary
Ikr,it's not like they're not going to grow so you give them those hormones
absolutely vile
And they're still doing it
Benjamin is literally SO patient with constantly being interrupted by Jodi wow let him speak
I'm sure Jodi has pent up anger, resentment, and pain still lingering. I don't think she meant to seem rude. Please do not judge her for acting that way.
It isn't fair.
i feel like we don't know enough. i mean, editing. maybe everyone interrupted everyone and these particular interruptions were just the only ones they couldn't get away with leaving out. or literally a hundred other possibilities.
It's gross to see people attacking Jodi, you're assuming so much
Notice how my comment was actually about Benjamin being patient and not really at all about Jodi lol
I’m speechless. What happens in cults need to be KNOWN. There needs to be more help to the victims of the manipulation.
In Portland there are many groups prey on young unsuspecting women usually
So you haven't heard about cults before...
KINITO PRO no I have. Just saying there should be more awareness
Immortalsidathara29 that’s so sad
KINITO PRO Hmm I think they’re point was that the true stigma around cults needs to be worldly known. Like yeah we have people like Manson and yeah everyone knows him. But people don’t know a lot of others.. Like the fucked up story of how Jonestown came to be a thing.. Jim Jones was a really messed up dude. i still had to go and research a lot of that myself because nobody ever taught me that. It needs to be taught more often so people understand and know what to look for, so situations like Jonestown and Manson don’t ever happen again.
Just so people are clear, this was recorded right at the new year-before social distancing. -Calvin, from the episode.
@@naphelim you never know if a person is carrying the disease, some people don't have symptoms yet or will have them as extremely as others. Even if a person is showing symptoms of corona, you might not always notice. It's better to keep distance just to be safe.
Hiiiiii
Good to know! Thank you for your perspectives, I really learned a lot from this video. It's very interesting and I'm glad you feel comfortable talking about your experiences!
Emma so happy to hear how it’s being received! Very heart-warming.
Awesome input, and glad you were able to get out and give power back to yourself 👏
The thing that bothered me the most about Jodi wasn’t the fact that she kept interrupting (although that is a big pet peeve of mine) but it was the fact that while she interrupted she tried to correct everyone else and tell them how they should feel about something. I intimately know someone who does this, and it’s not intentional, they hear peoples stories and immediately empathize with those stories, placing themselves in it. Then when something the other person says contradicts their lived experience they actually get offended and feel like they have to correct that person to be heard. It’s a compensation for years of being unheard/ignored…and yet even knowing why she’s doing it, it’s still really, REALLY annoying.
I know people are saying Jodi keeps interrupting but the thing some don’t understand is how excited a person can get when they met someone that has been through similar experience because a therapist would never know the feelings she feeling like those people would because they’ve been through it
yeah except she wasn’t interrupting because she was excited she was just rushing to invalidate everyone else’s experiences
@@imsadlol4528 Exactly. She really came across like she thought she knew better than anyone else, like she was the expert and other people having different or more nuanced views on their experiences made them wrong.
PFP!!! ITS AI!!!
She was excited though, she was interrupting and not letting the guys who were born into cults explain their experiences, super arrogant
I wish that these prompts were used too:
"I still consider myself to be religious"
"I still speak to members in the cult"
Whitney Tan yhhhh I wish they asked them if they still believe in God
I was hoping for this prompt
I was really hoping for the first one too, but I realized afterwards that not all of them are religious cults
They aren't religious, these are people worshiping people
Ashley Mazanhi Worshipping a god king is still worshipping a god.
calvin as soon as the question is asked be like: 🏃🏻
AHAHHAHAHHA EXACTLY
Guilty as charged. 😆
Calvin Wayman yoooo
shelley is such a sweet and funny lady 😭😭
Benjamin figuring out where he actually stood on the intentions of his cult leader(s) there was so empowering. From Somewhat Disagree to Strongly Agree; I feel like that was a breakthrough moment that went by unnoticed.
Shelleys eyes look like she is still in her twenties, her eyes are fascinating and she seems like such a joyful person.
I'm completely blown away by her.
and you can tell she’s still youthful!
you just want to hug her (might just be me ^^)
right, i'd love to talk with her over a coffee, i just think she has so much to say, and they'd all be valuable things to learn from, i admire her.
She lowkey could easily be a cult leader
whyamialwaystired sitting down with a random stranger drinking coffee while she relives all the terrible trauma she went through probably isn’t enjoyable for her and it’s selfish of you to want that from her as it only serves your own desires and shows you don’t think of her feelings at all you just have a morbid curiosity
"I'm not a better person because of it, but in spite of it" That's powerful
that one stuck with me as well. I get that it makes you stronger, but I would give all the credit to myself for being strong and not those 'leaders'. so when she said 'in spite' instead of 'because', she voiced it so perfectly. i have never been in a cult, but i have had to deal with other traumatizing things at a young age, and i feel like i am stronger in spite of it, not because of if, because the trauma shouldn't have happened in the first place.
They’re the type of people to give it to little girls but then protest when adult trans women take it
I wish I could have learned a bit more about Shelley and Will, they were my favorites just because they had such calming presences.
I don't share that sentiment, as a second generation cult survivor I find some of their actions to be triggering
@@RocinanteRocinante would you like to elaborate? I know noting about the inner workings of one and I didn't pick up on that at all
@@RocinanteRocinante You don’t have to share the sentiment. I was also abused and gaslighted by my religious leader and I relate to Shelley and Will a lot. People can have their opinions too.
I responded well to some of the others. Calvin and Benjamin are very wise I believe.
@@boxlover4368 she has human rights. She does not need to respond to you. She has a right to her body, she has a right to her brain, she has the right to free will don't make me tell you again!
In August I was finally able to escape Mormonism after 3 years and I didn’t know it was a cult till I met some Christians on TikTok and became friends and they were there to help me escape. I’m very joyful to be out and Christian
wooo hoooo congrats!!!!
Congratulations!
I’m sorry for what you went through. I’m glad you got out. Sending you love.💗💗
I'm so happy for you!
Sweetheart, you are still in a cult.
Christianity is a cult.
Telling people that if they leave a group they are going to hell, means they are in a cult.
And it is unverifiable and based on nothing more than a few words in a widely circulated book.
My heart really goes out to Jodi. She’s extremely BRAVE for coming onto this episode and talking about the abuse she had to suffer through.
Many people with similar experiences can't even leave the house much less appear on a video viewed by thousands. She is brave and needs to be heard.
Queen Sephine This is Jodi. Thank you 💗💗
SIA Organization You are a wonderful person! Please continue being strong and educating people. Lord knows the world can surely use the education
@@SIAOrganization Jodi all my love & admiration to you,. You are one hell of a strong woman
Jodi, What would you suggest for troubled teens? I think a lot of kids would benefit from a reform school of some kind. There would necessarily need to be a way to keep them there, discipline, values taught, etc. Obviously, it could go too far.
It's hard to believe those kinds of reform schools still exist in a modern, developed country. Absolutely horrifying to hear about, it makes me sad to think about all the kids stuck in that kind of environment.
I believe she mentioned Utah... Fertile ground for it and for Mormons... But why? What's different there than the rest of USA?
US is literally first world third world country
It's hard to believe, but there are a lot of them. Especially focused around Christian communities.
Back Office Well there’s actually a reason for that.. Utah is the place that the Mormons ended up to avoid religious discrimination. They were originally in Illinois, but migrated after their leader was killed. This happened back in the 1800s before Utah became a territory. Little history lesson for everyone 😁
TH-cam is full of videos of groups of teens assaulting people. I think a good reform school would be very valuable in these young people's lives.
This is so so sad. Some parts like the forced estrogen literally made me cry. My mom was in a facility similar to Jodis and was horrendously abused like her. After watching this I ran and hugged my mom and just cried and cried for the terrifying abuse I know she experienced. She also was tested with people doing suicide attempts in front of her and she had to try to stop it. No words but, I’m so so sorry. All their experiences were valid.
Jodi is holding in so much pain. My heart goes out for her.
I see everyone is talking about Jodi, Calvin and Benjamin, but can we please point out how sweet Will seems to be? Not only was he quite insightful but he was also paying attention to not hurt other peoples' feelings and focus on finding a middle ground of understanding and empathy for everyone
Mireille Burri he’s wonderful. His documentary (Holy Hell) is so well done!
Mireille Burri i love him he seems so kind and patient. I have to agree I loved that documentary
I met Will at his premiere of Holy Hell in Hawaii and I have to say, he was the sweetest man. He answered everyone's questions, he made it a very educational space while still having to watch some of his own trauma played back again. An amazing man and an amazing film!
Thats why he was in tune with cult with Buddhist undertones
What documentary was Will in ?
Jubliee, this introduction for each person is a game changer.
Simp
Ricochet gtfo
Ricochet what
@@kieranselick or have them in and let people skip them if they don't want to watch it :3
I totally agree!!
"I am a better person not because of it, but i am a better person in spite of it" this stays with me for a long time
Such an important video. Calvin nailed it on the head. “Sincere people can be sincerely wrong”. Shelley’s comment that members are elevated and gain status, which is just an extension of the ego and selfishness of the very leaders that grant that status was spot on. “Older cult members and leaders can hijack younger, new members’ essence.” So true. “Becoming complicit to wrongdoing.” And ‘Cult member’s status trumping over what’s right or over other people’s sovereign right.’ And cult are everywhere - there are cults in offices. So true.
Shelley seemed so cool imagine her being ur grandma
Ella hell no she looks creepy I’m sorry to be rude
Cristo Montesinos bruh how
Imagine her stories!
She's amazing. I'd love to hang out with her.
she can be my mumma
Jubilee is underrated. We get to learn important things in an interesting way.
Rethabile Mosia I agree 100% I lOVE this channel thank you for bringing us educational substance Jubilee!
Rethabile Mosia couldn’t agree more.
I also agree, and I personally like to include Asian Boss channel too. I love both Jubilee and Asian Boss videos investment of learning more other point of views and knowledge!!!!
That's why I'm glad pewdiepie somehow reacts to their video
@@Xbluestar3 Asian Boss and Jubilee are amazing!
I’ve always liked learning about cults, and how they operate. It’s crazy to think that cults really are all around us. They don’t have to be religious and something/ someone can use or have cult like behavior but not be an actual cult. My best example of this would be makeup and clothing companies using photoshop and advertising to sell products to people. Like if they say “ you’ll look beautiful if you use this” it then makes the customer wonder “ wait am I not beautiful? Oh no I’m not beautiful so I won’t fit in, I have to buy that product”. Another example would be MLMs
Yup - scientology and qanon are two cults that have really baffled me as they're not physically isolated - they're ones that are right around us that can take in people left and right and completely corrupt their minds. It's really scary to think that someone can do that to someone else.
When your wearing rose tinted glasses all the red flags just look like flags. Cults are scary 😰
i love this quote so much
I was in the Jehovas witnesses, and I started questioning and left because of how the elders liked to
“Spend alone time with children”
I’m so happy that part of my life is gone
“I have 1 dad 4 moms and I’m 1 of 45 kids” Me: instantly trying to do the math
Just Visualz haha 🤣 -Calvin
I feel bad for any of those mom's if none of those kids were adopted or kids meant member in this case
Kids Obviously meant Members of the group 😁
Thomas Kells generally in fundamentalist mormon groups all wives will have a large group of kids of their own
Isaac Frank it’s actually more likely that each mother had 10+ biological children
while i sympathize with jodi, i think that it’s really annoying how she argues with everyone forgetting that they went through different things than she did
juliana donaldson I feel like she came into this thinking it was meant to be a debate, rather than a discussion
Carolina yeah i completely agree
It's difficult to go through what she went through, then hear other former cult members reminisce fondly about their experiences. She did come off as a bit antagonistic though.
I think her circumstance was really different to the rest of them.
I dont think she was necessarily arguing, but trying to show similarities and the fact that she understood, also trying to help people articulate their thoughts. But that doesnt make it right for her to interrupt and take over their entire point.
It's been hard for me to see people respond to Jodi with discomfort or statements about her monopolizing the spotlight. I feel like people are using the fact that she's not the only victim here to justify their own discomfort with strong emotions. Her behavior is normal for the stage of healing she's at, and it's the people watching who are uncomfortable seeing the results of that injury on her personality and interactions. But that's what this video is supposed to be about. How those injuries manifest in different ways. How can you justify telling someone how to express their pain on a video that's supposed to be about variations on how that pain is expressed? The fact is that everyone did get to express themselves, regardless of how you perceived her attitude. So you're not protecting the other victims--you're just expressing your own intolerance...
So well said!! 👏🏼
Agreed I thought she was fine though I'd like to pick all there brains there stories are all compelling so I'd love individual interviews
she was invalidating other experiences and trying to make everyone agree with her, rather than just being accepting like everyone else was. She wasn't open to learning, she wanted to spread her feelings and project them on to the others.
Thank you for this!
@@whitykitty2651 I think of validation as a painkiller. It helps us manage the pain and fear from our experience because we believe we can get help if we need it. If our kin validate our feelings about our problems, they won't try to force us to act like our problem doesn't matter. They will treat our problem like it's real and important, and this is very very valuable, especially if you are suffering from a serious trauma. On a biological level, validation is about bonding. It's about being there for a person who is struggling--saying, "I hear you. I believe you. And even if I don't agree with you, I respect that you see it this way ."
The reason I think this is so important to remember is that validation isn't needed in equal proportions for every person regardless of where they are in the stage of healing that they're at. We don't give the same amount of pain killer or bed rest to someone who has been healing from a broken leg for months as we do the person who just broke theirs yesterday. We wouldn't call someone with a more recent injury selfish for demanding more painkillers than someone who with an older one.
The other survivors in this video are further healed than the one people have been criticizing. That's why they're more understanding and tolerant of her behavior than many people in the comments despite having been through so much worse than most people will understand. They tolerate her because they understand her pain and they are willing to let her express how much it hurts.
As I said before, she did not materially harm the other survivors. They got the chance to say what they wished. They did not need her validating because they are more healed than she is. She doesn't need to behave as though she's fully healed when she's not just because it makes a bunch of strangers watching her on TH-cam feel more comfortable. Instead those who do not have psychological trauma should be sending extra validation HER way (and certainly not criticizing her). Those who do have trauma should focus on healing themselves instead of worrying about what other survivors are doing wrong.
When people are mad about Jodi "invalidating" experience of others by taking the more negative route, they are basically expressing impatience. Jodi had a little more trauma, not necessarily physically, but internally. She might have been more on the sensitive side than others or more pessimistic by nature, which affects her current perception. If you talk about inclusive society. People like that should not be shamed as well. Others have grown a little faster from it while she is still holding herself back a little. We need to let her be. She has the right to go through it as many times as she wants inside to reach the point of letting go. Being pissed off at her only talks about the people judging rather than her.
It was just how she was trying one up everyone like "yea you had it okay BUT IIIIII" which yea is invalidating
@@theescapist9450 Jodi is an abuse survivor. she might be feeling like them talking even a little bit positive about a cult experience is disrespectful because she suffered a lot. the others suffered too and it is not a competition but at that moment she probably doesn't realize she is interrupting them. over-sharing is a trauma response and sometimes its hard for these people to hold back. I would not like someone interrupting others in any video but in this case, it is very insensitive to assume she is stealing the spotlight or invalidating people after hearing what she has been through. We only heard a small portion of what she has been through but it is obvious that she feels a lot of resentment. try to be more mindful of peoples feelings. the comment you answered literally explains so well why she did what she did but you still said she was trying to one-up people... wow
THANK YOU! I see how it could come across as invalidating but I loved the way the others handled it because it's clear she is in pain and dealing from past trauma still.
@@theescapist9450 As someone who also grew up in a cult, I did not at all see her responses as intentionally try to one up anyone. Some of the other people's responses made me feel invalidated, and I could almost see myself responding similarly. It's so hard to hear someone else say something positive about a cult they were part of, when all of it was negative for me. I have to work so so so so hard to restrain myself when people say nice things about a cult, and maybe she just didn't have the energy to do that.
Just look at her response as an indicator of how damaging her experience was. Don't judge her for what other people did to her.
You sound like a cult leader yourself. So is Jodi not worthy of heaven or higher plane or higher dimension either? You sound like a very unpleasant human. So most of the starving children of the world deserve to suffer because in thier past lives they have been deemed unworthy of love and conpassion. Grow up!
Could Jubilee set a boundary wherein one person isn't allowed to interrupt another person please, especially if it's to invalidate their experiences. You can't listen to comprehend anyone else if all you're going to do is not give them a chance to finish what they're saying.
Mohau Ntlhe So frustrating when someone is in the middle of a very interesting story or thought and they get cut off and not given a chance to finish.
Jubilee’s job is to bring candid and open discussions to a mass audience. Having real conversations sometimes means imperfections and messiness, because the people are imperfect and messy. It’s good for the director to allow everyone to continue the conversation, even if that means one person interrupting or “invalidating” another. :)
RIGHT! jodi keeps interrupting everyone!!
It seems like it is meant to be a discussion which sometimes includes people interrupting or talking over each other. If they wanted it to be just a total one on one interview where people related their experience they would set it up that way.
While I agree at times they need to enforce that, this discussion was incredible and I believe everyone was in agreement and just flowing in conversation. Although many of us might have wanted one of them to finish their story, I believe that they all were enjoying each others company and piggy backing off of what the other had to say on a very positive note.
Do all people in arranged marriage think the same
good one !
I'd like a debate on this too! Arranged vs non-arranged
Yes!!!! Please!!!!
yesss
THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN
Gosh y'all are hard on Jodi. She had a traumatic experience. This is a passionate topic. There is so much to say and very little time. She also may have ADHD or be on the spectrum?? be less harsh??
right... everyone deals with trauma a different way, the way she reacted may be seen as disrespectful to some people watching this video but i feel like the others in the video understood she still has a lot of trauma and painful memories from her time in the cult n understood that. anyway i dont see how she was being 'rude'
It felt a little rude, but I'm sure she didn't ment it like that. I think she was just glad she had someone to share with, and all of them understood her, and were very patient with her.
I a 100% agree i faced some trauma and am on the spectrum myself and i sometimes also have the habit of talking over or interupting people, i don't always release i do it. And when i do or other people point it out to me i apologize and try hard to make sure i don't do it again.
When others do it i never mind or see the problem of it. such things Never bothered me.
she was invalidating other experiences and trying to make everyone agree with her, rather than just being accepting like everyone else was. She wasn't open to learning, she wanted to spread her feelings and project them on to the others.
What does her experience have to do with ADHD? Or any dianosis? Are you a psychiatrist if so then i have questions for you! Why did you force me on estrogen and make me lactate without being pregnant then huh?
“There are small cults just in your office” … this is true. It’s scary how they become loyal to a “leader” even when they make bad choices.
Jodi just seems to me very angry still. It's the tone of her voice,you can hear the resentment and anger and pain. Rightfully so i imagine. Let's not judge any of them. Seems wrong.
Agreed, I think she has every right to feel angry after (years?) of imprisonment and abuse. I guess people were more reacting to her interrupting/trivializing the other participants' experiences, which obviously isn't very fair.
@@cahinton. yes i totally get that,i just feel that even she may cause a somewhat negative feeling while watching,still feels wrong given on what she's been trough. Not judging people that are commenting,just in a way asking for kindness that all of us need sometimes. ❤
I agree
I just want to give her a hug
Thank you! I was born into a cult and it hurts to see people attacking Jodi. Don't judge her if you haven't lived their experiences
I wish they could have interviewed them individually to let them share their story. There are a couple of people whose experience I would have liked to hear more of but it kept getting interrupted.
Right at the end of 12:47 and start of 12:48 you can see Benjamin take in a deep breath of air because he's realised that because Jody has interrupted him and now Calvin is sharing his perspective, Benjamin will not be able to finish the point he had been making. I reckon that breath is to calm some building frustration.
There are a lot of people like them who wish they could share their story as well, but find it difficult to let it go public. I am one, and at the same time i really want to hear these stories as well. We can learn so much from peoples past.
They show an ad for a book with all the full stories in them.
i agree, but this is a program in this format, so they cant really break it for certain episodes, but im sure theres plenty of books and podcasts from former cult members
@@nami141 why assume
Wills body moves like The Sims characters, especially when they have conversations with each other.
This made me smile.
Prompt: I am on good terms with the leader of my group
Shelley: talks about a man who was giving all the husbands oral sex and managed to keep them all quiet.
Me: what was the question again?
yeah i don't understand what she meant by that
What was censored?
I think she meant that the leader didn’t hate her (at least not yet)
She was saying how the people who went public about that sexual abuse where on bad terms with the leader but she was just in shock so she didn’t really say anything about it and so she’s not on any kind of terms with the leader
I feel like they understood this question differently. She is not in official beef with leader, but she ar the same time unrestand that what he did was wrong (i think)
The guy in the purple shirt has a great energy.
Fiondra he looks like Tony stark and Jeff goldblume LoL
His documentary “Holy Hell” on Netflix goes further into his story. Check it out!
He reminds me of Chris from parks n rec
@@jessecamueller993 imma watch it. Thanks for sharing
Jeff Goldblum vibes
I think it’s easy to forget that Jody is a victim and we all deal with trauma in our own ways. Some people like to over share, not to outshine others or say you’ve been through worse, but it helps me feel better the more I talk about my ptsd. Eventually, after sharing my story so much, my story almost became a script. That’s what jody’s interruptions and tone of voice remind me of. She has to get her story out or it will stay inside and bother her. Speaking from personal experience, not speaking for all. We just need to support each other and realize that we all deal with pain in different ways.
Ye I can totally understand that. But I also think that her trying to voice her problems and experiences over someone else’s can deter the other person getting better if that makes sense.
Everyone let her talk , she should do the same .
Well said. Hope you're okay, much love. ❤️
I can relate most to Jody, because I also had an abusive family and we were forbidden to talk about it. When I got older, I started to open up and got to a point where I couldn't talk enough about it (of course, i also have autism and some other disorders which facilitate this). When I moved to a different part of the country, I was around people who handled talking about things differently and was I told in several ways that talking about such things was not part of polite conversation. Although I still don't totally agree with this approach, it did tend to calm down my impulsive talking with time. I am now around people to whom I can freely express problems I'm having and I don't have to repeat myself because they get it right away.
I totally relate to the thing about the story feeling stuck inside. I also have PTSD and talking about certain parts of it helps me too. I also sometimes feel envious when I see that there are others who went through similar things but didn't end up with PTSD. I wonder if she felt like that too. Gabor Mate said, "trauma is not what happens to you. It's what happens inside of you as a result of what happens to you." She just looked like a very traumatised woman and I have a lot of empathy for that. I think it was beautiful how some of the others seemed to recognise and hold space for that too.
The love this comment section has for Shelly knows no bounds.
2:18 - I didn't know I was in cult
3:38 - I entered the cult voluntarily
5:49 - I have fond memories from my time in the group
8:28 - my leader had good intentions
11:45 - I did things that I regret
14:17 - I am on good terms with the leader of my group
16:54 - I am a better person because of what I experienced
17:55 - cults are everywhere
i wish jodi would stop trying to explain other ppl’s experiences to them..... let them finish talking
you’re gorgeous
I had to unlearn this character trait. I never had ill intention to cut anyone off while they were speaking, I'd simply interject to let them know I understood where they were coming from and I agreed with them; however, I soon realized it was rude to interject entirely. Hard habit to break, but it can be done.
A lot of people sometimes do this unintentionally (I’m guilty of this too :p). She may either be doing it unintentionally or intentionally.
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Nicolaus Volentius the entire video lbs
Marrying 8 year olds that's sick and disgusting we need to come together as a community to stop these cults and help the children who are born in these dangerous environments.
Federal Bureau Of Investigation you’re the FBI, you can do a lot
@@Euphoryaaa that's true.
"Just because you're sincere doesn't mean you can't be sincerely wrong."
Love this!
13:34 "You have to have empathy for that version of yourself, like hey, you didn't know any better." THANK YOU I REALLY NEEDED THIS
I feel so terrible for Jodi. I can't even imagine how painful everything must have been.
Hopeless jellyfish This is Jodi, Thank you so much for your heart 💗 please don’t feel bad for me I believe I was meant to walk this path to help others. I feel for the children that are currently being abused.
SIA Organization you’re so strong 💓
Me too but I didn’t like the fact that she kept interrupting the other members.
SIA Organization Hi Jodi! I really appreciated your passion as you spoke, and I could tell you had a lot to say. I hope that you keep finding the strength to spread the word and help others. I believe sometimes we as people go through terrible events to give us the experience and knowledge to help others, I myself would not be as passionate about certain things had I not experienced them.
@@SIAOrganization I hope you’re still doing well I wish you the best in life 💕
I could've listened to these guys for hours. They all seemed to have a deeper insight into human psychology from their experiences.
Same. This discussion could be at least an hour or two.
Yes!!! And their interactions are really engaging. They are actually discussing with each other, interacting, all of them, instead of just taking turns to give their input to the camera. Which would be fin, but polite discussion is more engaging to me
😁I made your likes 666
Yes! Exactly my thought, i was like " this is only 20 minutes?? whyy?"
Recognising you are in a cult, and getting out of it, gives a person a LOT of wisdom.
Listen. I am no way invalidating Jodi and her experiences, but I wish the people that where speaking were allowed to finish their statements clearly, without her interrupting them with personal opinions or biases
it’s would amazing to have each of these people tell their story individually
Did anyone else just get like a great vibe from Calvin? Like he seems like a really cool person.
Wow that is so incredibly nice to say. You rock! -Calvin
i liked them all
Nope.
Listen to the jubilee podcast episode that he's in! It's amazing, but TW if you've been through abuse
I mean honestly he’s pretty hot, articulate and sweet and intelligent so yeah 😍
I feel extremely bad for what Jodi went through but I can't stand how she basically argued against other people's PERSONAL experiences and what they took away from it, as if they were wrong to have taken some good out of their experience and don't cast an entirely negative view on the past like her. I wanted to hear THEIR experiences and opinions, and it felt like half the time Jodi wouldn't even let them speak about it because she was forcefully invalidating their experiences with her own, almost in an accusatory way.
I don't believe her intention is to invalidate; she simply cannot comprehend how you can still have good memories when you've gone through what she and most of them have in a cult. And the ones with the most similar experience to her were born there or very young; she was already 17 when she entered hers, she doesn't have happy memories of growing up with her gazillion siblings in the cult.
Fems Ff I agree. I think everyone has managed to put their experiences mostly behind them, mostly making peace with it, while Jodi still carries the anger of her’s with her and is not as far in the process of healing. Everyone’s circumstances were a bit different but Jodi was 17 when she entered a cult and we don’t know how old she was when she left.
I agree completely, she trampled over their own opinions to pop in her own, correct in some cases and sh really didn't give people to speak for themselves often
Same
Tiffany Lee they ALL had fucked up experiences and ALL of them are trying to express yeaaarsss of fucked up emotion, sadness, abuse, happiness, anger and so much more. All have such different stories and yes you can say some stories are worse than others becuase if someone were to have done something to hurt someone but not affect them the rest of their life while the other person was abused or had to watch someone be killed then yes it is more messed up. And you can say that based off all their different asnswrrs Not saying none of them are messed up cuz they all are. I mean they were in a damn cult. Jodi was trying to get people to understand her and not do that thing so others won’t have to suffer like her. She didn’t like when they said they liked the cult becuase let’s be honest, after all the stories we here about cults it sounds messed up to say you “like” a cult. But that’s just the complexity of it, but that’s the point she doesn’t want people to have to experience that so that’s why she does this. Why all of them so it. So do not blame her or anyone else when they have all such complex emotions about this
“Just because you’re sincere, doesn’t mean you can’t be sincerely wrong” damn. Sums up my abusive family to a T.
I'm a cult survivor, too. I loved watching you all tell your stories.
same here, I was like damn that hits so close to home. I was born into one and it took so much time to realise it.
‘You have more fun as a follower, but you make more money being a leader’-Creed
Dirty Bolk creed should be in this video
i ´think u also have more fun as a leader
@@kinvaral6906 i doubt he ever left the cult though
"Fun"
Flutter G creeds version of fun
it broke my heart when the eldery woman said its her first time speaking about it. i am so pround of her and the others
But i dont understand why she is in good terms with the leader, can someone explain?
@@cathymatulessy9429 Because before this she had probably never done anything to be on bad terms with him due to her silence.
@@cathymatulessy9429 It wasn't that she was on good terms, just not bad. Neutral terms.
@@emma-di5ly Hi Emma, this is Shelley, from the video. Your response is exactly what I meant to express.
@@Shelley.Mitchell I wanna know what you said that was beeped out because y'all were cussing all over this video
You can just tell that Calvin is a really good man and also extremely intelligent! So glad these people are out and safe and can educate other people about this topic!
10:18 and on...
"just because you're sincere, doesn't mean you can't be sincerely wrong"
What an important lesson to learn in general!
:)
I wish Jodi would've stopped interrupting people and arguing with them. They all have important things to say - no one's experience is less important than others.
she went through way more than any of these other people, she literally had to stop people from killing themselves, she has the right to
@@zanemoore2965 no she does not. Let everyone speak. No one has the right to be rude.
Zane Moore this conversation is called “do all ex-cult member think the same” not “who had the worst cult experience”. Just because her experience was worse does not make her experience more important than the others. The others experiences are still just as valid. They all have the right to speak on it. If anything this wide range ( spectrum, if you will ) of experiences gives validation for other people watching who may have endured something similar, whether that experience was as extreme as Jodi’s or not it’s still valid.
That's what most women do.🤷🏽♂️
Keepit Ahunnid well that’s a misogynistic generalization
I read it as “ex-cut members” from the TH-cam channel Cut.
Well that would be a quite interesting episode
dude same
I would love to see “ex-buzzfeed employees” 😂
same lmao
@@ellienicole1508 I'd like to see that lol
There’s obviously a lot of trauma here, and you can feel their need to explain why they feel the way they do, and why they did what they did. Honestly, I hope they all get to tell their stories to the extend they need to and someone to listen actively.
I really hope that Jody gets the healing she needs. Her situation clearly was heavy enough that it dictated the conversation- but i am pleasantly surprised with how everyone handled that because they could see she was hurting too.
A note to Jodi: Your experience was important to share. Just as important as everyone else's. You are all survivors and everyone's voice in this panel of people needs to be heard. These are grown adults who can speak for themselves and articulate themselves well so please let them.
luluwakz do not tel me that if you had a conversation whether it was bad or good you never interrupted them or tried to add somthing? Cuz if not you’re lying. If you’re frustrated or passionated or have a thought you want to add then you will interrupt them and most people don’t even do it on purpose, it’s like biting yourself nails. I’ve done it when I wasn’t even trying to be rude or think I was doing anything wrong I was just passionate about it. Whether I was agreeing with them or not. And ALL of them did that not just her ok? All have these traumatizing and happy and sad and yearrrrss of emotions they are trying to share. And yes you can say some are for fucked up than others. Becuase someone being in a cult and doing slightly bad things that don’t have a terrible effect to a person or the other compared to someone who was beat or had to watch someone be killed is more traumatizing. And that was proven by the way they all answered the questions differently.
@@LN-pz5ou okay.....and?
L. S. it’s not thats she was interrupting it just feels like she’s one upping them and making it seem like she was invalidating everyone else’s experiences because they were different.
@@raebracey1125 she has anger issues and rightfully so smh i feel so bad for and truth be told their experience compared to hers is nothing. Yes they all have bad experiences and each story is important but my god this video was sad asf
@@raebracey1125 these kind of videos are to encourage communication, she can give her opinion on what other ppls say. The girl who didnt agree with that other guy in the vegan video had only praise, i think we can cut Jodie some slack
Ideas for next videos
•Adoptees
•Parents who gave up their kids for adoption
•Virgins
•Ex drug addicts or alcoholics
•Ex or now homeless people
•Ex criminals
•People who changed their religion
These are good ideas
Cops
They already have done ex addicts and ex convicts!
And adoptees
@@annie45108 oh I did not know, haven't seen it yet
This video really opened my eyes. This whole time, I thought this was something people brought on themselves. This showed me that many are born into it, forced into it or were unaware it was a cult. I have much more empathy for them. Thank you.!
While I completely sympathize with Jodi's experience, and feel so terribly for her experiences, she was incredibly invalidating towards the two men who were born into their compounds. It would have been nice to see some understanding from her for their very different circumstances, and why those differences shaped their interpretations of their experiences so differently.
Unless your a second generation cult survivor, don't use the percieved experience of others to judge others. I was born into a cult and I can understand what Jodi was doing, please consider that you're attacking a survivor
@@RocinanteRocinante attacking? Good lord
@@RocinanteRocinante Criticism is not an attack. If you see it as one, you need therapy. And I'm not saying that to be mean - I mean that genuinely. Because it is not normal or healthy to be completely incapable of handling criticism; that will prevent you from living a healthy life.
Having been through some bad s--t does not suddenly make you immune to criticism, or to being a bad person. I should know. I've been a victim of abuse. That doesn't absolve me from the bad things I have done in my life. It doesn't make it okay. And it doesn't mean I didn't deserve to be criticised for it.
Being a victim does not mean you're not a regular person who screws up and makes mistakes.
Exactly, sorry but joining at 17 and being born into a cult, is 2 different experiences
“do Black Europeans and African Americans think the same?” I’m black and I was born in Europe and the way I and a lot of black europeans see things, differ a lot in some aspects, so I think this would be interesting.
erica celina i think this may be better as a African americans and the Diaspora think the same what do you think?
@@SJ-qf2tz well yes (i didn't know what diaspora meant btw you learn something new everyday)
That topic would be very interesting!
I know oppression isn’t as bad there
Yes I’m Jamaican American and it’s so different
Okay I feel bad for Jodi and all but so annoying how she kept cutting off everyone to talk about herself as if her story is the only one that matters..
She had a lot to say. PTS will do that to you. She reclaimed her power.
@@Psychol-Snooper "She reclaimed her power." That doesn't mean it's okay to take away someone else's though... The others had a voice and they matter.
@@courtr1588 Despite this comment being short, it holds so much more power and truth than a ton of other comments here about the same topic. I 100% agree with you.
yeah it was a little annoying but this was probably a very emotional and difficult to film so i don't blame her
@@courtr1588 Their point is that she probably had a lot to get off of her chest. That doesn't necessarily mean that she was intentionally cutting people off, trying to make herself seem more important.
it is so intriguing to hear about their experiences, and I would love to know how they all feel about faith, especially the ones raised in a Christian based cult. I feel like today, there is such a fine line between religion, especially strict religion, and a cult. it was extremely disturbing as a Christian to learn that there are actually cults based on our faith, it was honestly something I was totally unaware of
Hello I was apart of a Christian cult for 9 years
Holy hell is my favourite documentary because it so personally resonates with my experience with my abuser, seeing Will in this video, still talking about his experiences feels validating and impowering. Especially with how... at peace he seems with his experiences.
the older lady is so beautiful
Gorgeous!!! 💖
My wish for Jodi is that she continues her healing journey. She has a lot of anger she still holds onto. Valid of course, but it only consumes her, and is projected onto others.
Thank you to all of you survivors for coming out with your story. Your strength and courage is admirable.
Cicco Well said 👏🏽
I usually agree with this anti-victim sentiment and I rarely comment on the Internet. But let the woman off the hook. She went through hell you could never imagine. She’ll probably read these comments. You treat her like she’s so mean. She’s trying to understand.
@@AB-bt9eb being anti victim is a extremely shitty stance
666th like 😅
Ummm no why does this have so many likes
absolutely love this, no judgement but also brutal honesty and empathy.
Shelly is so full of life I love it. Especially after going through something so horrible.
"Just because you're sincere doesn't mean you can't be sincerely wrong."
Wise words! Loved this episode, Jubilee!
Carly Amen! 🤜🤛 -Calvin
I would love to see a video on “political outliers” I’m curious to know the differences and similarities between being a conservative living in California & being a liberal from somewhere like Alabama. I think that could be a cool video.
Arifunshine Xo omg yes!!!
Yes! I’m so tired of everyone believing just because you live in a specific area you have to believe what the majority does
That would be a war in a single video.
The conservative in california would cry that their oppressed and being silenced cuz they cant say faggot anymore without catching critisism.
Good idea. I would be super interested to watch that.
I appreciated that they gave the back stories of each person before starting!
Love this channel, think it needs to be turned into a TV show. If it ever was turned into a TV show/Netflix series it could really open peoples minds to a lot of situations most people don’t think of.
Shelley is ADORABLE and I am so proud of her speaking her truth publicly for the first time 🤧👏🏾
Thanks!
Woah she commented
Cult: *Exist*
Cult Leaders: _"I am once again asking for your financial support."_
Hahhahahaha
True
so bernie is a cult leader, gotcha
@@dieauferstehung Nah, just thought his quote worked well.
@@dieauferstehung Noooo, Bernie Bros aren't a cult
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I can leave whenever i want
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Tom Nook?
I really like Will. he looks like he's an extremely interesting, cultured person
U found really amazing people! They were open and addressed the prompts so clearly. My heart goes out to them and I hope they continue to raise their voices
'I have one father, four mothers and i'm one of 45 kids'
*Imagine his father having to remember all their names, let alone their birthdays*
**REMEMBER
@@soufianb7912 fixed it
I mean I have one sibling and my dad still can’t remember my birthday 👀
As if he would do that 😅
I'm an only child and my father forgot my birthday this year lmao
Prompt: Cults are everywhere
Calvin: *Flies off the grid*
It is so true though. It is a spectrum. Trump supporters, vegans (I am one btw), sports fans, military, flat Eathers, atheists etc. all have factions that behave in culty ways.
Lol! Yes. I’m Calvin from the video, and guilty as charged 😆
Shellina Musa yeah it’s so weird! It’s like every group has the potential to be a cult or at least have different facets that are cult-like. Maybe it’s just the nature of being human and in a group? Heck, I became a fan of a music band and left my religion at around the same time, and sometimes I wondered if I was using the fandom as a substitute for my religion lol
@@stargirl7646 If I'm not being too nosy, or if it's not much trouble, could you please tell me more? I feel like I've been doing the same and I'd like to know more...
@@shalini_sevani Oh for sure I 1000% agree with you I just liked his reaction 😆
Awesome video! There are so many of us blind TH-camrs now and it’s great to see some of the big fish come together and discuss these questions.
“There’s small cults just within your office.” Yes!!