I was thinking this too!! I was very surprised Mat didn't point it out. With Scott having used to work on Christian games, even unintentionally it's no surprise for his mind to land on Michael and David. He probably didn't want to be upfront or make them feel more casual with changing it to Mike and Dave.
@@beaupowell6707 Plus, if you look at the screenshot from the movie with the David drawing, the drawing next to it has a star on it, right next to David's name. Star of David. (it's not an actual star of david because those have six tips and that star has five, buuuut)
If this theory is true (which most likely is), then I 100% believe that Scott thought that the community was gonna be troubled with Cassidy's name instead of Dave's. And thought that Dave's riddle was too easy and made Cassidy's extra "hard". What an ironic twist!!
Honestly I think it's adorable that Cassidy and Dave used each other's methods to "hide" their names in the book. Cassidy sets up the first few letters in the Foxy grid, and Dave sets up the letters in the crossword. They chatted about their names, figured it out, and then worked together to lay the clues for Mike to know who was haunting the logbook. They're besties 💛💛
I was also thinking about this in the context of Dual Process Theory's video. Since the methods were swapped, is it that Dave(id) is the faded/vengeful spirit, and CC is Cassidy like they suggested? On the other hand, the two spirits working together well enough to figure out each others' communication methods is also cute enough that I could accept it.
@spillymcspillmore3426 david makes more sense as the crying child because that would make all of williams children's names biblical (according to other people)
Answering "I'm scared" to "do you have dreams?" could also means they're scared to dream again. They're too scared to have even tried to have dreams again after fnaf 4
That is a very good detail. despite the events of the bite, and having suffered (not) along side michael with the nightmares, i'd say your onto something.
That's what I thought too! I'm no psichologist, but I believe trauma often manifests in dreams, right? Saying he's scared to dream is very heartbreaking and makes so much sense
yeah bc in order to have dreams dont u have to be like kind of happy or something bc atleast from my experience when i got too scared to sleep as a kid i wouldnt sleep or else i'd have nighmares
It might also be a reference to how little kids in real life will sometimes answer questions in weird or indirect ways. To an adult, answering the last question like the C.C. does wouldn't make sense. But to a kid, it actually does. Example: Adult - "Timmy, is your brother hurt?" Child - "He likes kung fu movies." This means we had to apply child logic this whole time.
The fact that its the FOXY grid as well. The mask his brother wore when he got bit. I think the dreams and scared link fine, especially in the content of the game. The kid has died, maybe he doesnt know whats happening so he doesnt answer the question because hes scared of whats happening
I think the answer for “do you have dreams?” Being “I’m scared” actually makes sense to me. Cause if we think about it from a child’s POV, referencing dreams to a child who’s only had nightmares, it makes sense that they would only think of dreams as scary, and not want to think of dreams at all. The association of dreams and being scared may lead to a kid to only answer “I’m scared” and not explain further bc, in their mind, dreams and nightmares are the same thing. Thus only processing the fact their reaction to being asked about dreams is just I’m scared makes perfect sense to me if we’re thinking about it from the child’s perspective of not wanting to think about what scares them
Same. It feels right to me from a child. You mention dreams to a kid with only nightmares, he's not gonna say yes. He's gonna have ptsd flashbacks and say something like "I'm scared.".
I love the idea that Cassidy and Dave literally meet in the middle. They're face to face now. After all this back and forth and trying to communicate they finally come together. It's like they both realise who they are at the same time. The fact they both have an equal number of pages beyond their respective side of the book, i think speaks to the fact that there's 2 equal spirits here controlling 1 object - a reference to them both equally controlling golden freddy.
Wait, the narrative is so satisfying and poetic when you analyze it this way… omg, there’s REAL deep emotion and portrayal of trauma in FNAF which circles back around into such a heart wrenching way in this “activity book.” That’s… hauntingly beautiful.
@@crystalfeline Willaim and the book are the restaurant and Cassidy and David are the ball pit. Meaning… William also taken Michael’s name at one point.
44:43 wait. Dave? And Cassidy? Like David Cassidy, popular singer during Scott Cawthon's, lover of trolling & puns, youth? That is what makes this theory solid for me.
Willy did it again, but with Michael, in this very book. Cassidy is the ball pit, William is the Jeff’s pizza. They have the same writings but for two different people. Which is why the mirror question is a double meaning for Dave remembering his name and Michael seeing his father’s face in the mirror. “My name” is a William to Mike thing as well as a Cassidy to CC thing.
I like Dave in context of the other Afton kids. They all have a long commonly British name Elizabeth, Michael, David, with a shortened nickname Eliza/Beth/etc, Mike, Dave. Dave fits in with the Afton naming style. It would be interesting if Elizabeth introduced herself with a nickname since the only time we've gotten her name was from Henry.
1:09:32 Wait, stop, this was a _really_ interesting idea. It seems like they all connect to a question and answer pair. - Reflect on the things in life that you are most thankful for: "Does he still talk to you?"+"I hear sounds" (I'm thankful for the Fredbear plush encouraging me every day) - Reflect on the happiest day of your life: "The party was for you"+"It was for me" (and the wording links back to Happiest Day from FNAF 3 which we know is a memory of the same party) - Reflect on the meaning of your dreams: "Do you still have dreams?"+"I'm scared" (obvious) - _big mirror_: "What do you see?"+"I can't see" (This just sounds like Cassidy is showing Dave the mirror and asking what he sees on it, probably because she put her name in front of the mirror, but sadly it seems like Dave didn't get the memo. Maybe because the mirror is making it YDISSAC, unless he literally can't see) So they don't match the question on the same page, but rather they just match _some_ question. I hope they see this
As someone from England, his name being David definitely makes sense. Scott chose very traditional English names for the members of the Afton family. It wouldn't make sense to ignore that tradition and give him a very American name such as 'Evan'. William Michael Elizabeth David It just makes sense.
It 100% makes way more sense than evan , I've heard of and met SO many people with these names, including the royal family, which totally back up your point of traditional names, but not once have i ever heard of an evan over here. If they are here, they're hiding from us. Note: i have, in fact, not met the royal family, although the way i worded it may seem like i have. Unfortunately 😢
"C.C no more!" Is such a relieving chant to have. Now that the community has agreed on a name we can finally name this poor boy whose gone without one for 9 years.
It would be super interesting if CC was Dave (David) which meant ‘Beloved’ and the potential connections to the novel ‘Beloved’ by Toni Morrison. The book, in a very rough outline, follows a protagonist who is haunted by the spirit of her child, nameless upon her death with the word Beloved inscribed upon her tombstone. It’s primarily about the inability to move on from the past and how families bear the collective burden of trauma
If crying child had lived he would have been the modern 40 year old Dave at barbecues that you associat with the name Dave. So it actually makes perfect sense for that to be his name. Also Afton is not known for giving his kids kiddish names like Davy.
I like that Ash's first appearance in GTLive had them and Mirror Mat begging MatPat to wear the frog coat that he got in the game, and now Ash's first appearance on camera has them wearing a frog sweater. I really like the parallel, whether intentional or not
This isn't actually Ash's first appearance on camera, nor is it their first on the couch. First official couch Ash was "Is Roblox Pressure Better Than Doors?!?", two videos before this. First appearance on camera in general was probably about a year ago (I don't remember the specific video or if this was in fact the first) during a Halloween time episode where they dressed as MatPat and MatPat dressed as (I believe) Matthias Patthias.
I certainly really like the idea that the tally marks were just a clue to start the Cassidy search that the FNAF community just didn’t need. Like they were already good enough at FNAF mysteries in general that they could just skip step one and start on step two.
51:56 I'd say its also really interesting that, on the mirror page spread, 'what do you see' could potentially be answered by the wordsearch's repeated 'its me'
I think the tally marks could be Mike giving us a hint because he figured out the solution and helping others figure it out too. Which also explains why he drew the nightmare animatronic under the last question, to help give a frame of reference.
I think it's just a stain. I did see the vertical line, but couldn't see a full letter even with my strong magnifying glass. I think mom has an old microscope around here somewhere though..... maybe.
I forget every now and then that Scott is a christian who made his start making christian themed games. So when he mentioned that David meant "Beloved", I had to look up the other Afton names and-- "Micheal" is Hebrew for "one who resembles God", or "gift from God" (They said I looked like you) "William" is "the resolute" or "strong willed warrior" (I always come back/I will put you back together) "Elizabeth" is a variation on a hebrew name meaning "My God is an oath/abundance" (The ENTIRE monologue she gives at the end of Pizzaria Simulator I feel like encapsulates this really well) (You played right into our hands. Did you really think that this job just fell out of the sky for you? No. This was a gift, for us. You gathered them all together in one place, just like he asked you to. All of those little souls in one place, just for us. A gift. Now we can do what we were created to do, and be complete! I will make you proud, daddy! Watch, listen, and be full--) Like, it all works so amazingly well like--
About the dissatisfaction for Cassidy's 7th letter, while I can't offer another way to get "i", I can offer a middle ground. The last 2 numbers are also a bit different from the first 4, each being written in red, rather than altered text. What if we were meant to just find "Cass" and assume the rest of "Cassidy", like how we saw "Mike" FNaF 1 and SL and filled it out to "Michael" or now with "Dave" being "David". It'd also fit with the trend of 4 letter nicknames in this franchise: Dave, Mike, and, to a lesser extent, Bill for William (in the Security Breach tapes and AR's emails iirc).
Nope, whole series is about two warring alien factions, the Blue dude with the eye stalks was the good alien with the morphing tech. The evil aliens are brain controlling slugs that need to vacate bodies every 3 days.
To give credit where it is due I was also not the original person to make this connection. That was @FTZPLTC under Hyperdroids Vid. But Matt being a theatre kid like me, you'll appreciate this and it imho it pretty much cements the fact it is CASSIDY and DAVE. AND they are the two spirits in Golden Freddy. So I need to share this with you. So FTZPLTC pointed out In 1983 singer David Cassidy sang Any Dream will do.' I saw their comment and looked it up and it was a bit more than just sang, he actually took over the role of Joseph in Joseph and his Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat in 1983. But the moment I read that, the bells were already ringing, cos I performed in Joseph when I was a kid. And so I realised immediately. THIS SONG REFERENCES WEARING GOLD!! Specifically, the first line is 'I wore my coat, with golden lining.. ' And then later on, he sings 'my golden coat flew out of sight.' Well, since the first time I learnt those lyrics ready to perform them, it's always struck me that, while the line about gold lining could make sense, the coat in question has already been established to be multicoloured not just golden. So calling it a golden coat with golden lining would mean, if the lyrics were accurate, the whole coat was just gold. . Matt, put this one to Scott please cos if all that background is just a coincidence it would be outright spooky!
that's amazing and makes so much sense, as a writer and game dev I make so many obscure references in my creations, that aren't necessary to understand anything, but they're just there because it was fun to me
That's amazing! The golden coat is the cherry on top, but just seeing the name David Cassidy together with the date 1983, as in the bite of 83, completely seals the deal for me. The crying child HAS to be David
I closed my eyes, drew back the curtain To see for certain, what I thought I knew Far, far away, someone was weeping But, the world was sleeping Any dream will do The world and i.. we are still waiting.. still hesitating.. A crash of drums, a flash of light My golden coat, flew out of sight The colors faded into darkness I was left alone 😅
I feel this Jaira! I’m a Graduate Student Now and this came out when I was in the 7th Grade. I can’t Imagine living my young adult life addicted to waiting for the next installment anything else!
Glad to know I’m not the only one! Literally watching in between homework breaks as a freshman in college and it’s so nostalgic to think about how it started.
I don’t remember who, but I remember a comment on Hyperdroid’s video point out that David, Michael, and Elizabeth are all names with religious connotations
Not sure if anyone has pointed this out yet, but in security breach there’s a message you get on the watch titled “Hi Dave” and it says “you should fire Dave. He sucks.” Not sure if there’s a correlation there or just an Easter egg
i personally really like the tally marks pointing to page 39. As mentioned, there are two page 39s so it tells readers that no, its not a misprint, its important. AND, it also includes the 4+5, 3 puzzle (telling u to add up (tally) numbers AND go to the page number in the corner). AND, finally, it tells you that this number search will lead to the golden freddy missing name on the gravestone, NOT solving for the OTHER missing name (which is linked to the foxy grid, and requires a second number search). I remember when we all didnt KNOW there was a third entity in the book. MatPat theorised that faded's text was talking to MICHAEL because we didn't KNOW there was a third entity in the book, which led MatPat to believe that MICHAEL was the crying child because CLEARLY that was who the ghost was talking to, but we didn't know that altered text's words were another character within the book. I believe that the methodology got a bit scrambled. It's the trouble with having puzzles in a book, where all the clues and numbers could be mismatched and misinterpreted bc you have access to ALL of the clues at the one time, as opposed to clues being delivered to you in a linear fashion (like a game, where context and delivery of the clues can be controlled more and can delineate a methodology easier). I believe the methodology, as Ash said, was for people to see the tally marks FIRST. They're so obvious, OBVIOUSLY important. Readers would find and have all of the tally marks, and go now what do I do with these numbers? Cue the comic, with the addition on the board and the 'page number' in the corner. Great - add the tallies and go to THAT page number. But wait, theres TWO pages with the same number? That means we have to be on the lookout for OTHER 'important' numbers and number discrepancies which will lead us to the answer to the faded text's/golden freddy's name. The fact that theres a word search and the foxy grid which are both number related puzzles is just kind of unfortunate. It's another reason i like the solution of Dave in the mirror - they're right next to each other, so it shows that they're connected but not the same puzzle, and having the FINAL step (the reflection) there is a nice touch.
Can that GT episode include the biblical implications of the names Michael and David? Michael who is "One Who is Like God" and David whose great purpose was to create a lineage (whose story involves Michal choosing the welfare of David over the wishes of her father). There is fun to be had here.
Scott did create video games based on Biblical stories. If Dave is the right name, it wouldn't shock me if he thought of the Biblical stories attached to those names.
Oddly, anyone named Dave tends to just be good at dad-style food in general. Like Dave's hot sauce, Dave's Hot Chicken, Dave's Cosmic Subs, etc. Kinda like someone named Chef Mike probably makes good Italian food.
39:02 I think the response to the question "does he still talk to you?" being "i can hear sounds" actually fits. This is something someone would say if they heard a voice from the plush but do not anymore but only hear occasional unknown sounds in its place
Idk if it's a stretch , but that Question about "Do you have dreams?" along with Dave replying "im scared" coupled with the picture of the nightmare kinda feels like hes saying "I'm scared of nightmares"
Yes matpat stated that if there was no context of the question at all it wouldn't made sense "Do you have dreams?" The only right question is yes or no, but without the context "I'm scared" wouldn't make sense as the answer.
49:44 Maybe it's just because I'm a millenial and/or british, but Dave is a WAY more "kiddish" name than David. David is a professional, he works a 9-to-5 job to provide for his family. Dave is everyone's best friend who's always up for a laugh. P.S. "You should fire Dave. He sucks."
@@TheHaddonfieldRegistry I meannn idk, most of my Dad’s friends call him Mike, even though Michael is his full name. And likewise my childhood friend has a dad named David that literally everyone in our neighborhood called Dave, as a kid I even called him “Mr. Dave” rather than using his last name loll.
I feel like the questions do you have dreams and does he still talk to you? are questions given after the crying child has spoken "I'm scared" "do you still have dreams?" "I can hear sounds" "does he still talk to you?"
@gabuspr the I what do you see? and the party was for you was cassidy speaking first and the other 2 in my comment were the crying child speaking first
Considering it is estabilished that Half of the book was for Cassidy and Half was for Dave(in the comments and somewhat in the video), IDK if this is a connection or not, it makes sense for the conversation to be split in half where C asks D responds and D says something and C asks something.
I'm not sure if matpat will see this, but there's something interesting to mention about 1:12:06: All three of the Afton children reference that very quote. William says "I will put you back together" to CC Michael says "I put her back together again, just like you asked" in the ending of SL And baby says "I will put myself back together" in the source code leaks. I don't think this has any lore relevance, but it's interesting how it occurred three times
He is leaving GTLive. it was part of his announcement for his retirement months ago, he was actually only going to be around until just after summer from what I remember but extended his stay with us anyways.
He did the same thing making the new hosts appear more on the channels and on here before announcing he was leaving so he’s 100% setting up Ash to take over
1:13:55 39. that’s quite a specific number. what character is very commonly connected to the number 39??? that’s right. hatsune miku. that means the crying child’s name is hatsune miku.
I always thought the 'I'm scared' was like when you interview kids, and they say things are not quite related, but it's the way they perceive it. I feel like it really makes sense if he's terrified of the nightmares because he might be too scared to talk about it.
I pointed this out in Hyperdroid's comments, but David and Michael are both important biblical names which fits with Scott's background and is a nice connection
Elizabeth also has religious roots, with the original Hebrew name that is came from meaning "My god is an oath" or "my god is abundance". It would make way more sense for all of Will's kid's names to have biblical origins, instead of suddenly using an Irish name for the youngest
Also David famously fought a bear (probably not a golden one though), Michael is another name for Jesus who is God's first creation and a perfect reflection of Him (and Mike is famously very similar looking to his father, and the oldest child) and Elizabeth...... well I can't think of anything that connects her to Elizabeth Afton but it is still a Bible name.
Maybe the reason there were tally marks in Security Breach was to call us back to the book. To be like, “Hey guys, this clue was supposed to be for Cassidy. It’s not for CC, don’t worry about it.” It would be a roundabout way, but that’s normal for this series lol.
@@charleswolfe8896 Tunic is not likely to happen, at least not while Matt Pat is on the couch. He has already played through that game in his own time. No idea if he's beat it yet, but considering how long ago it was he mentioned it, chances are he has beat it by now, or dropped it.
I love the time consuming effort to see the F and discuss the F, and huddling over the book together to find the F. Just for him to say the F was nothing basically the SECOND they hit play again lol.
I remember watching a reaction to hyperdroid's theory saying that the tallies had a second meaning. There are 7 full sets for the amount of letters in Cassidy's name, and 4 loose tallies for the letters of Dave's name.
27:19 so I had to ask about this too but that wasn't actually random. There was another clue in the book that had altered text that said to go to that page number and "add up your score". So it wasn't just people looking at that and saying that's one of the clues
I think with the bloodstains, the important detail may be that the question is in the same corner as the bloodstain on those pages, so the bloodstain on the same page as "Is this song familliar to you?" is not an association necessarily
If cassidy is meant to be the spirit in golden freddy, the double 39 leading to that name makes even more sense when you consider that the 2 pages are the gravestone with "my name", and the book asking what animatronic you would be, and what special abilities you would have, which really feels like it focuses in on GF because he's the one who we theorize to be the most powerful
I like the theory. It’s always bothered me that the actual prompt for the foxy grid is very similar to the instructions for a nonogram, a type of puzzle often found in these kinds of books that uses a key to make 8-bit pictures or words.
I saw this, and this video was the first time I heard the explanation as to how people originally got the name Evan, and omg... they were onto something SO GOOD and they just decided at the last step "nah, we're just gonna COMPLETELY go off on a limb and say this!"
Can we appreciate the chapter names "i just simultaneously dropped and kicked" being a reference to "i just simultaneously whipped and nae nae. And the southern banter.
Another minor point to just hammer in the nail a bit more is that David, Michael and Elizabeth are all biblical names, Scott himself is a Christian so it wouldn't be too far-fetched to name the three main children after his beliefs. I'm not sure if the names themselves have any significance or parallels, in the bible Michael is an Archangel, David is most known for slaying the giant Goliath, and Elizabeth is the mother of John the Baptist and also Mary's sister (Jesus' mother). But them being biblical names is a sure way to have them connected, as well as the entire family's names (including William) being very common British names which is where they're from.
I don’t think we realize how sad the fnaf reactions on here will be once matpat is gone. Ash might’ve learnt fnaf but Matpat has this theory’s instinct where he can immediately connects the smallest details during a fnaf reaction to give a convincing mini theory on the spot.
here’s the thing, the “D” from answer number, while that’s iffy, there is so MUCH contextual evidence around it saying it’s Dave that i would say that is his name (esp cause Scott uses the names Jermey, Mike/Micheal, and Fitz more then once [also being *important* names to lore] just kinda tells me it’s right). Like why say this random name so many times if it wasn’t important
51:14 It's like Batman figuring out Alucard's real name by having to draw it with lipstick on a big silver plate and then reflect it. Like, that was not necessary lol I'm talking about The Batman vs Dracula movie. But in Mask of the Phantasm he figures out Joker's identity by drawing with a red pen a smile over a guy on a picture. I think it's hilarious
Anyways, even though it's not necessary, that doesn't mean it's not relevant. A mirror and the reflection motif are just fancy ways to say “backwards” without actually saying it. It's just confirmation
Look. When you make comics, you have to make the thinking process VISUALLY interesting, okay We are not reading a book, the important information can't be given through internal monologue or narration bubble EVERY time
I like how cellphones and answering machines are becoming more and more integrated into the lore, something that dates back to ww2 (also referenced in the week before), because it's how the killer (since fnaf1 before we had names) was able to establish an alibi and keep themselves out of prison whilst pinning everything on someone else. In 10 years of theorizing on everything from source code, frame-by-frame viewing of trailers, needing to understand minimum wage laws, corporate lingo, brain structure and a plethora of tools and such, how come the fnaf1 trailer has never been used? It ends with an endo being self-aware enough to remove the bonnie mask, something that is in direct contrast to the programming and "training" we see for other endos to "be" the characters. It even gives us the root of what would eventually be Sun and Moon from security breach, let alone it being one of the oldest models of endos. And it also lines up to what Scott said in the dawko interview 2 about trying to go supernatural but always circles back to sci-fi. With this in mind, the story of fnaf becomes about a serial killer that uses anims to achieve his purpose. It was always weird that Scott said the place was "haunted", in actual quotes, when it may not even have been real and the killer was just controlling the anims remotely, something that is presented in fnaf2 when phone guy tells us that the music box can be wound uo remotely and the silver eyes that show us Dave having master control of the anims from the control room. All because the first 3 games present an impossibility of having what are supposed to be recorded tapes, but we, as the player and audience, hear the phone ringing. This is exemplified in fnaf3 night 2 when phone dude actually plays you one of these tapes and doesn't have a ring before hearing phone guy speak. 5 pixels of the chica beak completely recontextualize our understanding of the toy anims.
1- I need Ash's sweater, it's amazing 2- nice to finally have a name for one of the most constantly referenced characters of the series, and bonus that it's a short one
Matpat cultivating his own personality split, giving it a synthetic body, and then training it on FNAF Lore to eventually replace/assist him as a host on GTLive has got to be the best sidelore of the 5 channels. Mirrot Matt was the failed prototype Ash was the successful 2.0 ver And now Sam is the successor to Ash
gregory -> greg, very similar to dave cassie, the other kid who's talking to the first, and ends up trying to save him soooo....the parallels are strong with this one coincidence? I don't think so also a shoutout to the theory of "books are canon, but they are in-universe second-hand stories, and because they're not firsthand accounts, the details differ and conflict, and sometimes the names and other details are made up when author doesn't know them, but the general themes are still real"
My opinion regarding 41:00 a.k.a" Illogicality of the last two answers": For me, the answer "I am scared" is rather authentic and emotional answer to the "Do you still have dreams?", which is fine since the one answering to is a CHILD. All the other 4 answers did felt like authentic and emotional too. Even the first 2 to me felt just as authentic and emotional, even if they seem logical and straighforward and intentional from the first glance, which makes them stand out and sound "correct". I think the one who is asking questions is not looking forward to his/her questions to be "correctly" answered, but to try to undrestand the child ; furthermore, knowing Scott, it is in his style to give answer in not so straightforvard way, therefore Scott making the crying child answer with not so straightforward words is in his style is fine by me. Furthermore, even the questions which have seemingly logical answers..have not so straignforward answers: 1) For examlpe, the straightforward answer "what do you see?" would be "nothing", but instead, we get "i cant see", which we feel is logical just because both the answer and question contain word "see". 2) Lets see the second pair: "The party was for you" is anwered with "it was for me". On the first glance, it seems like the child is answering with confirmation to answer the given question as straighforward as possible, a.k.a. the answer is logical; Yes, the answer is logical, butto me it immediately felt like this was an emotional AND indirect answer from a child... I imagined a child staring and nothingness, then he heard the question "The party was for you", but he didnt heard any question or a sign to give confirmation to the statement of the one questioning, but instead emotionally reacted to the word PARTY, then remembered what the statement said(which in his mind turned from "bla-bla-bla PARTY bla-bla" to "the PARTY was for you") when the child repeated the statemend "The party was for me" because the statement itself become like a self-confirmation to a child, the child said to himself that the party was for him.; it didnt seem to me like a conversation where the child directly looked at one asking question and answering "Yes, you are correct/yes i confirm, the party is for me". The same logic/vision could be applied to previous case (1), a.k.a. after hearing "what do you see?" , the child emotionally reacted to the word SEE, again referred to the statement (as the child probably didnt intentionally listen to the one questioning, so therefore the question didnt feel like the question ), repeated the statement to confirm to himself "I...cant see...". 3)"Does he still talk to you?", if a child would like to answer logically and intentionally/directly to the one who is questioning, the child would answer with "yes, he does still talk to me". And here comes the real answer "I can hear sounds". On the first glance, it seems incorrect answer just because both question and answer dont contain similar words (like in case 1), neither does the answer seem to be logical like case 2. BUT, if to follow the new logics i kinda invented from the first two sets, (1st logic is "THe child is not listening to the one questioning to intentionally answer or confirm anything; a.k.a not really focusing on answering the question correctly, like a child does" 2nd logic "The child emotionally reacts to the words from the statement") (3nd logic is "after being triggered by certain words(referring to 1st logic), the child lets out another statements as of form of confessing to himself that statement, aka. self-confirmation"). Therefore, 1)the child hears some words "Does he still talk to you?", but doesnt really have intention or will to answer "correctly" (furthermore, it isnt like millions of fnaf fans are relying for his answer to confirm theories or solving some puzzles, no pressure to his childish way of communicating :DDD) 2) reacts to "he" "talk" 3) remembers HOW "he" "talks" to him, and says "I hear sounds". HERE, even if the one who is questioning didnt get a straightforward answer like "Yes, he talks to me, i hear him", the one who is questioning could still deduce that the child gave him very very detailed answer, not only confirming that "he" "talks" to the child, but also understanding that the child hears the sounds from "him" 4) "Do you still have dreams?" ->the child reacts to word "dreams"-> does a self-confirmation / answers emotionally "im scared ". THerefore, all the answers felt like answers to me for the reasons/logics i could deduce from reading the questions, knowing who is answering, and the setting of the situation also Miller surname in Dave Miller means "Meaning:One who grinds grain, operates a mill. Miller, once a traditional job turned surname ". Therefore Afton probably was like "hmm, lets have Miller as surname, as it is a traditional job turned surname. Hm, name.... welp, my child Dave is no longer here already, so i wouldnt possibly reference anyone with "my deed sons name"+"popular job surname" combination hehe" UPD. on the Dave Miller name: It HAS TO BE a reference to RHE crying child Dave (David), because, it is IMPOSSIBLE to say that Afton ,out of all possible names, choose the name of HIS OWN DEED, BELOVED" SON. If Afton couldn't be aware that Dave is his son's name while choosing random names, then the reason Afton choose name HAS RO BE because the Dave is his deed son
I also wonder if the answers were short on purpose to show that this is a child speaking, because I can't see, I hear sounds, and the party was for me are all short answers. Asking, "Do you still have dreams?" To a child who had violent nightmares could be answered,"I have nightmares, " but that's literally on the nose, we'd know it was the crying child from that alone. The vaguely shortest answer to that I can think of rn is "No, I dont," but that's very introspective for someone who'd be at the most 10. "I'm scared" could also be read as "I'm scared - *OF* my dreams. You don't have to add too much to the answer to get this. So all and all, I agree that if we are talking about someone who is really young and who is limited in his speech, the responses are practically perfect.
I really like this and i wanna add something . The one who asks says "do you still have dreams ?" When the child hears the word dream he says "i am scared" Maybe he links the word dream with scary. Thats why when he hears dream first think that comes to his mind is "scary" I m sorry if this doesnt make any sense english is not my first language.
I think that the question "Do you still have dreams?" being responded to with "I'm scared" for a child would make sense, because if you think about dreams you have had, you might think about details of those dreams, which could lead to him being scared of them and stating that out loud. Remember, in FNaF 4, it is theorized that that whole thing was a dream sequence, and apparently lucid nightmares are vivid, so the Crying Child would not have a hard time remembering his nightmares, hence him being scared when being faced with the question. It really does sound like an answer a kid would give.
Yes... but that always felt a bit like a stretch to me. 7 SETS for Cassidy, 4 LINES for Dave. I'm not sure that was the intention. The methods don't line up, yk? It COULD be, but shrug.
@@carimeslockdownedtree2654 why not? The was a different method to find the name Cassidy than to find Dave so the tallies could be similar. It could be showing multiple things, or it could just be a coincidence.
Also with the movie drawing, the fact David’s mum has short blonde hair, like Clara who’s a stand in for Mrs Afton. And she probably would be someone he’d draw, having a happy day with a balloon with; with a dad and brother who’re probably scary, and possibly a sister who may be dead/not born yet. The blonde mum in the drawing is just a nice extra piece of evidence on top!
I think the movie can also be used as evidence that Dave is the middle child and that he probably died before Elizabeth was born. If Mike = Michael, Garrett = David, and Abby = Elizabeth, then it's clear that Elizabeth is the youngest (wether she was born yet I don't know, and I feel like the fact that her consistent nickname is "baby" also confirms the birth order). More importantly, I think it tells us that Elizabeth probably died after David, since Abby is still alive after Garrett's death
I want to shed light on the questions to the crying child and Cassidy is that, if it’s asking how CC is doing “Do you have dreams? - I’m scared” but then “The plastic telephone or What do you remember” there is no response because the CC either doesn’t remember or doesn’t want to respond to those questions
YOOOOOOOO?!??!? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR REACTING!! Y'ALL THE BEST! :D
Chad theory,as I said on the video
Goated video
Top tier theory! One of my favorites of all time from the fnaf community
Been waiting for this for 4ever
Congrats on solving it dude, you definitely got it
The contract for Ash to take over GT live must have just been "Learn the entire lore of FNAF and you're on the couch"
Count anamatronic toes
So it's a Sisyphus contract... good luck Ash, get that Boulder rolling!
What's the compensation? 😂
Don't translate... 😠
भवतः हृदयस्य धड़कनं कतिपयेषु घण्टेषु स्थगयिष्यति, अस्य शापस्य मुक्तिं प्राप्तुं एकमात्रं मार्गं मम चैनलस्य सदस्यतां कुर्वन्तु……….
@@PeaChy-nb9suHopefully Hazard Pay😅😂
"I'd be comfortable saying David Afton in my videos now."
This makes me smile so much, knowing that even MatPat thinks this is the right answer 😁
Michael, David. Hmmmm
@@TopatTomWOAH WAIT A MINUTE WHERE ARE YOU GOING WITH THIS????
@@DeliveredMusic im confused lol, would you mind explaining im vert curious c:
@@TopatTomCUZ I CANT STOP THINKING ABOUT WEIRDLY WHAT THIS MIGHT MAYBE BE REFERENCING BUT IT SOUNDS TO CRAZY TO SAY OUT LOUD
@@TopatTom okay I’m done yelling, my bad 😂
Another small thing, everyone knows him as "Michael Afton" but in the beginning he writes his name as "Mike". Mike = Michael. Dave = David
And both David and Michael are biblical names making sense for them to be brothers
@@beaupowell6707 I was surprised no one pointed out the Biblical thing in the video
I was thinking this too!! I was very surprised Mat didn't point it out. With Scott having used to work on Christian games, even unintentionally it's no surprise for his mind to land on Michael and David. He probably didn't want to be upfront or make them feel more casual with changing it to Mike and Dave.
@@aetherialecho5344guess they didn't want another out of context clip ;(
@@beaupowell6707 Plus, if you look at the screenshot from the movie with the David drawing, the drawing next to it has a star on it, right next to David's name. Star of David.
(it's not an actual star of david because those have six tips and that star has five, buuuut)
If this theory is true (which most likely is), then I 100% believe that Scott thought that the community was gonna be troubled with Cassidy's name instead of Dave's. And thought that Dave's riddle was too easy and made Cassidy's extra "hard".
What an ironic twist!!
@@alexanderp_ The FNAF community loves overcomplicating things
Imagin him watching us struggle with the tally’s 😂 we prolly look like headless chickens running around
Honestly I think it's adorable that Cassidy and Dave used each other's methods to "hide" their names in the book. Cassidy sets up the first few letters in the Foxy grid, and Dave sets up the letters in the crossword. They chatted about their names, figured it out, and then worked together to lay the clues for Mike to know who was haunting the logbook. They're besties 💛💛
I was thinking about exactly this! It's like they're having a conversation that goes beyond a simple back-and-forth
I really hope calling him david catches on cause dave is such an old man name
How dare you that's adorable
I was also thinking about this in the context of Dual Process Theory's video. Since the methods were swapped, is it that Dave(id) is the faded/vengeful spirit, and CC is Cassidy like they suggested? On the other hand, the two spirits working together well enough to figure out each others' communication methods is also cute enough that I could accept it.
@spillymcspillmore3426 david makes more sense as the crying child because that would make all of williams children's names biblical (according to other people)
Answering "I'm scared" to "do you have dreams?" could also means they're scared to dream again. They're too scared to have even tried to have dreams again after fnaf 4
That is a very good detail. despite the events of the bite, and having suffered (not) along side michael with the nightmares, i'd say your onto something.
I noticed that the page also said “reflect on what your dreams could mean” so maybe CC is recalling his dream and reliving the fear
That's what I thought too! I'm no psichologist, but I believe trauma often manifests in dreams, right? Saying he's scared to dream is very heartbreaking and makes so much sense
yeah bc in order to have dreams dont u have to be like kind of happy or something bc atleast from my experience when i got too scared to sleep as a kid i wouldnt sleep or else i'd have nighmares
It might also be a reference to how little kids in real life will sometimes answer questions in weird or indirect ways. To an adult, answering the last question like the C.C. does wouldn't make sense. But to a kid, it actually does.
Example:
Adult - "Timmy, is your brother hurt?"
Child - "He likes kung fu movies."
This means we had to apply child logic this whole time.
The fact that its the FOXY grid as well. The mask his brother wore when he got bit.
I think the dreams and scared link fine, especially in the content of the game. The kid has died, maybe he doesnt know whats happening so he doesnt answer the question because hes scared of whats happening
THIS 👆
@@Clone-jz4zfFRR
i’m shocked that no one else called out the fact that michael was wearing the foxy mask, that’s a really good point
Honestly, getting MatPat to drop kick the book is probably the highest praise possible for a theory.
I think the answer for “do you have dreams?” Being “I’m scared” actually makes sense to me. Cause if we think about it from a child’s POV, referencing dreams to a child who’s only had nightmares, it makes sense that they would only think of dreams as scary, and not want to think of dreams at all. The association of dreams and being scared may lead to a kid to only answer “I’m scared” and not explain further bc, in their mind, dreams and nightmares are the same thing. Thus only processing the fact their reaction to being asked about dreams is just I’m scared makes perfect sense to me if we’re thinking about it from the child’s perspective of not wanting to think about what scares them
Same. It feels right to me from a child. You mention dreams to a kid with only nightmares, he's not gonna say yes. He's gonna have ptsd flashbacks and say something like "I'm scared.".
Also worth pointing out that Dave/David is also a biblical name which both Michael and Elizabeth are
It makes even more sense coming from Scott and his origins making Christian games too
That's a good catch as well
oh my god thats so true, also the fact they’re all common british names🤯
Also Worth Mentioning, Dave Makes Sense As Mike Is A Short For Michael, just like Dave Is a short form for David
The video says this but they skipped it :(
Between DPT and Hyperdroid, it seems like Matpat retiring gave the community the push they needed to finally say *"Fine, I'll do it myself..."*
I think it's less "Fine, I'll do it myself," but rather, "Let's post our theories on TH-cam instead of the GT subreddit!"
More like hopeful Theorytubers trying to fill in the MatPat-sized void of FNAF Theorycrafting in case Tom doesn't deliver the way MatPat did.
Yeah I love how many theorists I've been discovering recently :D
well DPT's theory's been mostly debunked
Yeah i was not convinced on DPT.
I love the idea that Cassidy and Dave literally meet in the middle. They're face to face now. After all this back and forth and trying to communicate they finally come together. It's like they both realise who they are at the same time. The fact they both have an equal number of pages beyond their respective side of the book, i think speaks to the fact that there's 2 equal spirits here controlling 1 object - a reference to them both equally controlling golden freddy.
Wait, the narrative is so satisfying and poetic when you analyze it this way… omg, there’s REAL deep emotion and portrayal of trauma in FNAF which circles back around into such a heart wrenching way in this “activity book.” That’s… hauntingly beautiful.
@@crystalfeline "Hauntingly" beautiful?
@@MegaMew204 Yea, like beautiful in a sad way, basically
@@crystalfeline Willaim and the book are the restaurant and Cassidy and David are the ball pit. Meaning… William also taken Michael’s name at one point.
@@justice8718 ???
With all the "Dave is a Giants fan" jokes I am severely infuriated by seeing absolutely no-one referencing David and Goliath.
Ayo love that
You’re so right!
44:43 wait. Dave? And Cassidy?
Like David Cassidy, popular singer during Scott Cawthon's, lover of trolling & puns, youth?
That is what makes this theory solid for me.
Any dream will do was in 1983.. about a "golden" coat... hehehehe
From a Christian play about Joseph
Ain’t no wayyyyyyyyy
William Afton potentially using his dead son's name as a cover up is a morbidly funny thought
Willy did it again, but with Michael, in this very book. Cassidy is the ball pit, William is the Jeff’s pizza. They have the same writings but for two different people. Which is why the mirror question is a double meaning for Dave remembering his name and Michael seeing his father’s face in the mirror. “My name” is a William to Mike thing as well as a Cassidy to CC thing.
It's totally something he would do
Ash and Matpat both crammed over the logbook like students studying for an exam and I'm LIVING for it
Don't translate... 😠
भवतः हृदयस्य धड़कनं कतिपयेषु घण्टेषु स्थगयिष्यति, अस्य शापस्य मुक्तिं प्राप्तुं एकमात्रं मार्गं मम चैनलस्य सदस्यतां कुर्वन्तु…………
The FNAF exam…
They need to study for the FNAF test
@@fantaguyreal I don't care
I would probably get like a B- I guess 😭
Nobody will see this, but Sister Location’s HandUnit literally mentions “Self-Reflection on Past Mistakes”.
I saw this.
(In seriousness, that is a neat detail to point out)
A major hint to who Michael Afton was and what he did. Nice. 🤌
hi i see this
@@fnafhorror30 Hello and thanks.
You’ve been seen
I like Dave in context of the other Afton kids. They all have a long commonly British name Elizabeth, Michael, David, with a shortened nickname Eliza/Beth/etc, Mike, Dave. Dave fits in with the Afton naming style. It would be interesting if Elizabeth introduced herself with a nickname since the only time we've gotten her name was from Henry.
And William = Billy. Theyd all have 4 letter nicknames if it turned out that Elizabeths nickname was beth
Apparently Abby is a nickame for Elizabeth, a rarely used on tho
I strongly believe that Abby is Elizabeth's nickname
1:09:32 Wait, stop, this was a _really_ interesting idea. It seems like they all connect to a question and answer pair.
- Reflect on the things in life that you are most thankful for: "Does he still talk to you?"+"I hear sounds" (I'm thankful for the Fredbear plush encouraging me every day)
- Reflect on the happiest day of your life: "The party was for you"+"It was for me" (and the wording links back to Happiest Day from FNAF 3 which we know is a memory of the same party)
- Reflect on the meaning of your dreams: "Do you still have dreams?"+"I'm scared" (obvious)
- _big mirror_: "What do you see?"+"I can't see" (This just sounds like Cassidy is showing Dave the mirror and asking what he sees on it, probably because she put her name in front of the mirror, but sadly it seems like Dave didn't get the memo. Maybe because the mirror is making it YDISSAC, unless he literally can't see)
So they don't match the question on the same page, but rather they just match _some_ question. I hope they see this
I was thinking this too!
As someone from England, his name being David definitely makes sense.
Scott chose very traditional English names for the members of the Afton family. It wouldn't make sense to ignore that tradition and give him a very American name such as 'Evan'.
William
Michael
Elizabeth
David
It just makes sense.
And the most English name of all time [UNKNOWN WIFE]
Ks clara english
Wow that makes sense
@@florantlover5554 Claire/ Clara(But Vampire accent)
It 100% makes way more sense than evan , I've heard of and met SO many people with these names, including the royal family, which totally back up your point of traditional names, but not once have i ever heard of an evan over here. If they are here, they're hiding from us.
Note: i have, in fact, not met the royal family, although the way i worded it may seem like i have. Unfortunately 😢
Matt wearing a red jacket brings back such memories of the good ol days 🥹
Matt gave me 60k subs guys 😮😮
ik 🥲🥲🥹
And the one still on the hook, gosh this is kinda depressing
Red is just the best colour in the world tho tbf (definitely no bias)
This is season 2
"C.C no more!" Is such a relieving chant to have. Now that the community has agreed on a name we can finally name this poor boy whose gone without one for 9 years.
C.C NO MORE ‼️ C.C NO MORE ‼️
It would be super interesting if CC was Dave (David) which meant ‘Beloved’ and the potential connections to the novel ‘Beloved’ by Toni Morrison. The book, in a very rough outline, follows a protagonist who is haunted by the spirit of her child, nameless upon her death with the word Beloved inscribed upon her tombstone. It’s primarily about the inability to move on from the past and how families bear the collective burden of trauma
Hah, bear.
If crying child had lived he would have been the modern 40 year old Dave at barbecues that you associat with the name Dave. So it actually makes perfect sense for that to be his name. Also Afton is not known for giving his kids kiddish names like Davy.
I like that Ash's first appearance in GTLive had them and Mirror Mat begging MatPat to wear the frog coat that he got in the game, and now Ash's first appearance on camera has them wearing a frog sweater. I really like the parallel, whether intentional or not
This isn't actually Ash's first appearance on camera, nor is it their first on the couch. First official couch Ash was "Is Roblox Pressure Better Than Doors?!?", two videos before this. First appearance on camera in general was probably about a year ago (I don't remember the specific video or if this was in fact the first) during a Halloween time episode where they dressed as MatPat and MatPat dressed as (I believe) Matthias Patthias.
@@mothman5779 she also appeared on a food theory about the best milk alternative but i dont think thats old enough to be first
@@zubiayasar1945 Oh yeah, she did! I forgot about that episode. Good call.
@@zubiayasar1945I think the milk video was their official on camera debut
I certainly really like the idea that the tally marks were just a clue to start the Cassidy search that the FNAF community just didn’t need. Like they were already good enough at FNAF mysteries in general that they could just skip step one and start on step two.
Then went nuts for years trying to figure out what step 1 meant
When i saw “evad” I was immediately “wait, the mystery child’s name is dave, DAVE!”
Same
Ramirez!!!
Omg Dave from DSAF
And now I can't stop thinking of The Penguins of Madagscar movie XD
@@GwenDUNN-y4b lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
51:56 I'd say its also really interesting that, on the mirror page spread, 'what do you see' could potentially be answered by the wordsearch's repeated 'its me'
I think the tally marks could be Mike giving us a hint because he figured out the solution and helping others figure it out too. Which also explains why he drew the nightmare animatronic under the last question, to help give a frame of reference.
*(Discuss if an F is or isn't there for 10 minutes)*
*(Resumes video)* "I've concluded it's just a stain in the background"
Classic Game Theorist behavior. ❤
I know that was hilarious 😂
I think it's just a stain. I did see the vertical line, but couldn't see a full letter even with my strong magnifying glass. I think mom has an old microscope around here somewhere though..... maybe.
I forget every now and then that Scott is a christian who made his start making christian themed games.
So when he mentioned that David meant "Beloved", I had to look up the other Afton names and--
"Micheal" is Hebrew for "one who resembles God", or "gift from God" (They said I looked like you)
"William" is "the resolute" or "strong willed warrior" (I always come back/I will put you back together)
"Elizabeth" is a variation on a hebrew name meaning "My God is an oath/abundance" (The ENTIRE monologue she gives at the end of Pizzaria Simulator I feel like encapsulates this really well)
(You played right into our hands. Did you really think that this job just fell out of the sky for you? No. This was a gift, for us. You gathered them all together in one place, just like he asked you to. All of those little souls in one place, just for us. A gift. Now we can do what we were created to do, and be complete! I will make you proud, daddy! Watch, listen, and be full--)
Like, it all works so amazingly well like--
I love this?? Like yes! I didn't even think about the name meanings being literal! That's amazing! Thank you for pointing this out!
The fact that Scott probably didn’t tell Matt because it was solved by two people in his own subreddit
About the dissatisfaction for Cassidy's 7th letter, while I can't offer another way to get "i", I can offer a middle ground. The last 2 numbers are also a bit different from the first 4, each being written in red, rather than altered text. What if we were meant to just find "Cass" and assume the rest of "Cassidy", like how we saw "Mike" FNaF 1 and SL and filled it out to "Michael" or now with "Dave" being "David".
It'd also fit with the trend of 4 letter nicknames in this franchise: Dave, Mike, and, to a lesser extent, Bill for William (in the Security Breach tapes and AR's emails iirc).
I was scared of Animorphs as a child. For some reason I still can’t explain, I thought Animorphs was about children being forcibly turned into animals
Nope, whole series is about two warring alien factions, the Blue dude with the eye stalks was the good alien with the morphing tech. The evil aliens are brain controlling slugs that need to vacate bodies every 3 days.
To give credit where it is due I was also not the original person to make this connection. That was @FTZPLTC under Hyperdroids Vid. But Matt being a theatre kid like me, you'll appreciate this and it imho it pretty much cements the fact it is CASSIDY and DAVE. AND they are the two spirits in Golden Freddy. So I need to share this with you.
So FTZPLTC pointed out In 1983 singer David Cassidy sang Any Dream will do.' I saw their comment and looked it up and it was a bit more than just sang, he actually took over the role of Joseph in Joseph and his Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat in 1983. But the moment I read that, the bells were already ringing, cos I performed in Joseph when I was a kid. And so I realised immediately. THIS SONG REFERENCES WEARING GOLD!! Specifically, the first line is 'I wore my coat, with golden lining.. ' And then later on, he sings 'my golden coat flew out of sight.'
Well, since the first time I learnt those lyrics ready to perform them, it's always struck me that, while the line about gold lining could make sense, the coat in question has already been established to be multicoloured not just golden. So calling it a golden coat with golden lining would mean, if the lyrics were accurate, the whole coat was just gold. . Matt, put this one to Scott please cos if all that background is just a coincidence it would be outright spooky!
That's an awesome connection and reference to notice
that's amazing and makes so much sense, as a writer and game dev I make so many obscure references in my creations, that aren't necessary to understand anything, but they're just there because it was fun to me
That's amazing! The golden coat is the cherry on top, but just seeing the name David Cassidy together with the date 1983, as in the bite of 83, completely seals the deal for me. The crying child HAS to be David
Probably a coincidence, but that’s a TON of coincidences lined up in just the right way, wow lol
I closed my eyes, drew back the curtain
To see for certain, what I thought I knew
Far, far away, someone was weeping
But, the world was sleeping
Any dream will do
The world and i.. we are still waiting.. still hesitating..
A crash of drums, a flash of light
My golden coat, flew out of sight
The colors faded into darkness
I was left alone 😅
8:30 not even 3 seconds into the video and MatPat has already paused it, lol 😂
Right😂
First time?
Be thankful he's not going frame by frame, otherwise we'd still be here in two weeks time
@@SinPanda94 true
It’s so crazy to grow up with both this franchise and this channel crazy to be a freshman in college and mat is still dealing with Fnaf
Don't translate... 😠
भवतः हृदयस्य धड़कनं कतिपयेषु घण्टेषु स्थगयिष्यति, अस्य शापस्य मुक्तिं प्राप्तुं एकमात्रं मार्गं मम चैनलस्य सदस्यतां कुर्वन्तु……….
I feel this Jaira! I’m a Graduate Student Now and this came out when I was in the 7th Grade. I can’t Imagine living my young adult life addicted to waiting for the next installment anything else!
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Glad to know I’m not the only one! Literally watching in between homework breaks as a freshman in college and it’s so nostalgic to think about how it started.
Same
I don’t remember who, but I remember a comment on Hyperdroid’s video point out that David, Michael, and Elizabeth are all names with religious connotations
@hatster401 was the one that said it. They also posted a comment here and somehow, their comment was below yours on this video.
Not sure if anyone has pointed this out yet, but in security breach there’s a message you get on the watch titled “Hi Dave” and it says “you should fire Dave. He sucks.” Not sure if there’s a correlation there or just an Easter egg
i personally really like the tally marks pointing to page 39. As mentioned, there are two page 39s so it tells readers that no, its not a misprint, its important. AND, it also includes the 4+5, 3 puzzle (telling u to add up (tally) numbers AND go to the page number in the corner). AND, finally, it tells you that this number search will lead to the golden freddy missing name on the gravestone, NOT solving for the OTHER missing name (which is linked to the foxy grid, and requires a second number search). I remember when we all didnt KNOW there was a third entity in the book. MatPat theorised that faded's text was talking to MICHAEL because we didn't KNOW there was a third entity in the book, which led MatPat to believe that MICHAEL was the crying child because CLEARLY that was who the ghost was talking to, but we didn't know that altered text's words were another character within the book.
I believe that the methodology got a bit scrambled. It's the trouble with having puzzles in a book, where all the clues and numbers could be mismatched and misinterpreted bc you have access to ALL of the clues at the one time, as opposed to clues being delivered to you in a linear fashion (like a game, where context and delivery of the clues can be controlled more and can delineate a methodology easier).
I believe the methodology, as Ash said, was for people to see the tally marks FIRST. They're so obvious, OBVIOUSLY important. Readers would find and have all of the tally marks, and go now what do I do with these numbers? Cue the comic, with the addition on the board and the 'page number' in the corner. Great - add the tallies and go to THAT page number. But wait, theres TWO pages with the same number? That means we have to be on the lookout for OTHER 'important' numbers and number discrepancies which will lead us to the answer to the faded text's/golden freddy's name. The fact that theres a word search and the foxy grid which are both number related puzzles is just kind of unfortunate. It's another reason i like the solution of Dave in the mirror - they're right next to each other, so it shows that they're connected but not the same puzzle, and having the FINAL step (the reflection) there is a nice touch.
Can that GT episode include the biblical implications of the names Michael and David? Michael who is "One Who is Like God" and David whose great purpose was to create a lineage (whose story involves Michal choosing the welfare of David over the wishes of her father). There is fun to be had here.
As a Christian, I find that pretty interesting🤔
Scott did create video games based on Biblical stories. If Dave is the right name, it wouldn't shock me if he thought of the Biblical stories attached to those names.
Tbh it would make sense to have Christian imagery in fnaf considering how scott used to make Christian games
David is also the youngest son of Jesse which could also connect to Dave.
It could also be like the stories of David when he was King. He did a lot of great things for God, but also did some very bad things.
My dad’s name is Dave and can confirm everything they said about him being a New York sports fan and an accountant and can make a mean burger lol.
Oddly, anyone named Dave tends to just be good at dad-style food in general. Like Dave's hot sauce, Dave's Hot Chicken, Dave's Cosmic Subs, etc. Kinda like someone named Chef Mike probably makes good Italian food.
Matpat abusing the Logbook at the beginning because of his PURE VENOMOUS RAGE at that Foxy Grid made my day.
39:02 I think the response to the question "does he still talk to you?" being "i can hear sounds" actually fits. This is something someone would say if they heard a voice from the plush but do not anymore but only hear occasional unknown sounds in its place
Idk if it's a stretch , but that Question about "Do you have dreams?" along with Dave replying "im scared" coupled with the picture of the nightmare kinda feels like hes saying "I'm scared of nightmares"
Yes matpat stated that if there was no context of the question at all it wouldn't made sense "Do you have dreams?" The only right question is yes or no, but without the context "I'm scared" wouldn't make sense as the answer.
49:44 Maybe it's just because I'm a millenial and/or british, but Dave is a WAY more "kiddish" name than David.
David is a professional, he works a 9-to-5 job to provide for his family.
Dave is everyone's best friend who's always up for a laugh.
P.S. "You should fire Dave. He sucks."
American here, it's more typical for children to go by nicknames and for adults to go by their full names.
@@TheHaddonfieldRegistry I meannn idk, most of my Dad’s friends call him Mike, even though Michael is his full name. And likewise my childhood friend has a dad named David that literally everyone in our neighborhood called Dave, as a kid I even called him “Mr. Dave” rather than using his last name loll.
Dave is an adult name fs David reminds me of a little kid whose mom calls them David
My brother goes by Dave at work, the definition of a middle manager 😂
@@CarterInosencio probably has something to do with the "No, David!" series, which was released in 1998, after the games take place
I feel like the questions do you have dreams and does he still talk to you? are questions given after the crying child has spoken
"I'm scared"
"do you still have dreams?"
"I can hear sounds"
"does he still talk to you?"
This makes so much more sense
Until you get to the party question
@gabuspr the I what do you see? and the party was for you was cassidy speaking first and the other 2 in my comment were the crying child speaking first
@@jdavies_11 I re-read your comment, I see what you mean and I agree
Considering it is estabilished that Half of the book was for Cassidy and Half was for Dave(in the comments and somewhat in the video), IDK if this is a connection or not, it makes sense for the conversation to be split in half where C asks D responds and D says something and C asks something.
I'm not sure if matpat will see this, but there's something interesting to mention about 1:12:06: All three of the Afton children reference that very quote.
William says "I will put you back together" to CC
Michael says "I put her back together again, just like you asked" in the ending of SL
And baby says "I will put myself back together" in the source code leaks.
I don't think this has any lore relevance, but it's interesting how it occurred three times
7 sets of 5-tallies for Cassidy
4 extra tallies for Dave
Matt being on-screen with Ash is very sweet but also makes me worry that he's leaving GTLive now ;-; Like he's phasing himself out
He is leaving GTLive. it was part of his announcement for his retirement months ago, he was actually only going to be around until just after summer from what I remember but extended his stay with us anyways.
He did the same thing making the new hosts appear more on the channels and on here before announcing he was leaving so he’s 100% setting up Ash to take over
Don't translate... 😠
भवतः हृदयस्य धड़कनं कतिपयेषु घण्टेषु स्थगयिष्यति, अस्य शापस्य मुक्तिं प्राप्तुं एकमात्रं मार्गं मम चैनलस्य सदस्यतां कुर्वन्तु……….
This was part of his announcement, you guys aren't smart for figuring it out
He estimated himself to be leaving at around October
1:13:55 39. that’s quite a specific number. what character is very commonly connected to the number 39??? that’s right. hatsune miku. that means the crying child’s name is hatsune miku.
so true
She is??? The only number I know her to be associated with is 01 😂 what does 39 mean?
@@KeiranTrick one pronunciation of 3 in Japanese is 'mi', and one pronunciation of 9 is 'ku'. Thus, 39=Miku!
@@carimeslockdownedtree2654 incredible, truly. Thanks for answering!
Their full name is actually Dave Cassidy Evan Crying Child Afton The Third.
"THIS GUY KNOWS THE CRYING CHILD'S NAME!"
@@RayvincenHE'S ONE OF US
Get out
OMG IT ALL COMES TOGETHER IT ALL MAKES SENSE?11!?2!!
Solved it!
I kinda like the fact that both brothers (mike and assumeingly dave) both are short and kinda nicknames to their original names, Michael and david .
I always thought the 'I'm scared' was like when you interview kids, and they say things are not quite related, but it's the way they perceive it. I feel like it really makes sense if he's terrified of the nightmares because he might be too scared to talk about it.
I pointed this out in Hyperdroid's comments, but David and Michael are both important biblical names which fits with Scott's background and is a nice connection
Elizabeth also has religious roots, with the original Hebrew name that is came from meaning "My god is an oath" or "my god is abundance".
It would make way more sense for all of Will's kid's names to have biblical origins, instead of suddenly using an Irish name for the youngest
Also David famously fought a bear (probably not a golden one though), Michael is another name for Jesus who is God's first creation and a perfect reflection of Him (and Mike is famously very similar looking to his father, and the oldest child) and Elizabeth...... well I can't think of anything that connects her to Elizabeth Afton but it is still a Bible name.
Maybe the reason there were tally marks in Security Breach was to call us back to the book. To be like, “Hey guys, this clue was supposed to be for Cassidy. It’s not for CC, don’t worry about it.” It would be a roundabout way, but that’s normal for this series lol.
FIRST FNAF VID WITH ASH ON THE COUCH!!!!
its kinda uncanny, but i luv it
And one of the last ones with matpat 🥲
@@arthurmartin4616what? He ain’t going anywhere as long as FNAF is still around
@@SuperlyFrankyhe’s leaving gtlive soon.
@@SuperlyFranky He leaves gtlive next month. Ash will be the host of the channel after that
cassidy and dave being together with the mirror, and charlie showing the kids the truth through drawings seems like poetry to me
44:55 To be fair, if the Crying Child lived to this day, he WOULD be around 40.
That’s if spirits age
@@Mr.variety381 ...I said *lived to this day* , m8.
@@SatoKure fair point, I didn’t read properly
Ash’s sweater is my new favorite thing
I also like the sweater & frogs aren't anywhere near my fav animal, but that sweater rocks
MILF tops are pretty common.
She’s wearing the ✨frog outfit ✨
@@Ghostvertigo I also despise frogs
Opp behavior smh@@noahfields1856
Game request: Slay the princess. I'm sure mat and ash would both appreciate the madness.
Counter game request, tunic.
Oh my god they will NEVER finish that
@@LunaWitcherArtthey would prolly do like one ending and then quit or react to the reat
@@charleswolfe8896 Tunic is not likely to happen, at least not while Matt Pat is on the couch. He has already played through that game in his own time. No idea if he's beat it yet, but considering how long ago it was he mentioned it, chances are he has beat it by now, or dropped it.
Yaas, slay queen ✨✨. 😂😂😂
Matpat kicking the Survival Logbook is HILARIOUS! 🤣
he did that so we could see the hunts for the gravity falls theory he’s putting on at 1:21:16
I love the time consuming effort to see the F and discuss the F, and huddling over the book together to find the F. Just for him to say the F was nothing basically the SECOND they hit play again lol.
44:52 funny you say that, the crying child would be around 40 years old by today's time if the bite of '83 didn't happen
Not us being fed with MatPat content despite us sobbing over his retirement announcement 😭 can hardly be upset-
Fr.
What are we supposed to do😢
what do you want us to do😢😢😢😢
Bro you guys... Need to stop. Give Tom some credit instead of crying over another man's happiness.
@@longfishy They’re not talking about Tom tho, they’re talking about the fact that he is leaving this channel too, in a few weeks.
I remember watching a reaction to hyperdroid's theory saying that the tallies had a second meaning. There are 7 full sets for the amount of letters in Cassidy's name, and 4 loose tallies for the letters of Dave's name.
Ozone said it
27:19 so I had to ask about this too but that wasn't actually random. There was another clue in the book that had altered text that said to go to that page number and "add up your score". So it wasn't just people looking at that and saying that's one of the clues
I think with the bloodstains, the important detail may be that the question is in the same corner as the bloodstain on those pages, so the bloodstain on the same page as "Is this song familliar to you?" is not an association necessarily
If cassidy is meant to be the spirit in golden freddy, the double 39 leading to that name makes even more sense when you consider that the 2 pages are the gravestone with "my name", and the book asking what animatronic you would be, and what special abilities you would have, which really feels like it focuses in on GF because he's the one who we theorize to be the most powerful
I like the theory. It’s always bothered me that the actual prompt for the foxy grid is very similar to the instructions for a nonogram, a type of puzzle often found in these kinds of books that uses a key to make 8-bit pictures or words.
I saw this, and this video was the first time I heard the explanation as to how people originally got the name Evan, and omg... they were onto something SO GOOD and they just decided at the last step "nah, we're just gonna COMPLETELY go off on a limb and say this!"
IKR?!
Can we appreciate the chapter names "i just simultaneously dropped and kicked" being a reference to "i just simultaneously whipped and nae nae. And the southern banter.
Another minor point to just hammer in the nail a bit more is that David, Michael and Elizabeth are all biblical names, Scott himself is a Christian so it wouldn't be too far-fetched to name the three main children after his beliefs. I'm not sure if the names themselves have any significance or parallels, in the bible Michael is an Archangel, David is most known for slaying the giant Goliath, and Elizabeth is the mother of John the Baptist and also Mary's sister (Jesus' mother). But them being biblical names is a sure way to have them connected, as well as the entire family's names (including William) being very common British names which is where they're from.
I love how during the drop kicking, you could see a yellow among us and the remnants of someone going insane over the book of bill
I don’t think we realize how sad the fnaf reactions on here will be once matpat is gone. Ash might’ve learnt fnaf but Matpat has this theory’s instinct where he can immediately connects the smallest details during a fnaf reaction to give a convincing mini theory on the spot.
Amy??
*ash, ofc
timestamp?
Not really no the transition of game theory has been perfect I don’t even notice the difference
@@redwiltshire1816 I don’t think they’re the same. Game theory is a scripted video while gtlive isn’t scripted.
here’s the thing, the “D” from answer number, while that’s iffy, there is so MUCH contextual evidence around it saying it’s Dave that i would say that is his name (esp cause Scott uses the names Jermey, Mike/Micheal, and Fitz more then once [also being *important* names to lore] just kinda tells me it’s right). Like why say this random name so many times if it wasn’t important
Not *"Ike"* and *"Devon"* being names of the characters of the VIP book 😭
Seems like Scott was taunting us without we knowing it... 🤔
51:14 It's like Batman figuring out Alucard's real name by having to draw it with lipstick on a big silver plate and then reflect it. Like, that was not necessary lol I'm talking about The Batman vs Dracula movie. But in Mask of the Phantasm he figures out Joker's identity by drawing with a red pen a smile over a guy on a picture. I think it's hilarious
Anyways, even though it's not necessary, that doesn't mean it's not relevant. A mirror and the reflection motif are just fancy ways to say “backwards” without actually saying it. It's just confirmation
Look. When you make comics, you have to make the thinking process VISUALLY interesting, okay
We are not reading a book, the important information can't be given through internal monologue or narration bubble EVERY time
1:20:25 HE DID THE THING!!
I like how cellphones and answering machines are becoming more and more integrated into the lore, something that dates back to ww2 (also referenced in the week before), because it's how the killer (since fnaf1 before we had names) was able to establish an alibi and keep themselves out of prison whilst pinning everything on someone else. In 10 years of theorizing on everything from source code, frame-by-frame viewing of trailers, needing to understand minimum wage laws, corporate lingo, brain structure and a plethora of tools and such, how come the fnaf1 trailer has never been used? It ends with an endo being self-aware enough to remove the bonnie mask, something that is in direct contrast to the programming and "training" we see for other endos to "be" the characters. It even gives us the root of what would eventually be Sun and Moon from security breach, let alone it being one of the oldest models of endos. And it also lines up to what Scott said in the dawko interview 2 about trying to go supernatural but always circles back to sci-fi. With this in mind, the story of fnaf becomes about a serial killer that uses anims to achieve his purpose. It was always weird that Scott said the place was "haunted", in actual quotes, when it may not even have been real and the killer was just controlling the anims remotely, something that is presented in fnaf2 when phone guy tells us that the music box can be wound uo remotely and the silver eyes that show us Dave having master control of the anims from the control room. All because the first 3 games present an impossibility of having what are supposed to be recorded tapes, but we, as the player and audience, hear the phone ringing. This is exemplified in fnaf3 night 2 when phone dude actually plays you one of these tapes and doesn't have a ring before hearing phone guy speak. 5 pixels of the chica beak completely recontextualize our understanding of the toy anims.
1- I need Ash's sweater, it's amazing
2- nice to finally have a name for one of the most constantly referenced characters of the series, and bonus that it's a short one
"I think you broke something."
"Oh No!"
"Wanna do it again?"
"Yeah!"
Matpat cultivating his own personality split, giving it a synthetic body, and then training it on FNAF Lore to eventually replace/assist him as a host on GTLive has got to be the best sidelore of the 5 channels.
Mirrot Matt was the failed prototype
Ash was the successful 2.0 ver
And now Sam is the successor to Ash
gregory -> greg, very similar to dave cassie, the other kid who's talking to the first, and ends up trying to save him
soooo....the parallels are strong with this one
coincidence? I don't think so
also a shoutout to the theory of "books are canon, but they are in-universe second-hand stories, and because they're not firsthand accounts, the details differ and conflict, and sometimes the names and other details are made up when author doesn't know them, but the general themes are still real"
In Fnaf security breach on your fazbearwatch there is a message that says : Fire Dave.He sucks
My opinion regarding 41:00 a.k.a" Illogicality of the last two answers": For me, the answer "I am scared" is rather authentic and emotional answer to the "Do you still have dreams?", which is fine since the one answering to is a CHILD. All the other 4 answers did felt like authentic and emotional too. Even the first 2 to me felt just as authentic and emotional, even if they seem logical and straighforward and intentional from the first glance, which makes them stand out and sound "correct".
I think the one who is asking questions is not looking forward to his/her questions to be "correctly" answered, but to try to undrestand the child ; furthermore, knowing Scott, it is in his style to give answer in not so straightforvard way, therefore Scott making the crying child answer with not so straightforward words is in his style is fine by me. Furthermore, even the questions which have seemingly logical answers..have not so straignforward answers:
1) For examlpe, the straightforward answer "what do you see?" would be "nothing", but instead, we get "i cant see", which we feel is logical just because both the answer and question contain word "see".
2) Lets see the second pair: "The party was for you" is anwered with "it was for me". On the first glance, it seems like the child is answering with confirmation to answer the given question as straighforward as possible, a.k.a. the answer is logical; Yes, the answer is logical, butto me it immediately felt like this was an emotional AND indirect answer from a child... I imagined a child staring and nothingness, then he heard the question "The party was for you", but he didnt heard any question or a sign to give confirmation to the statement of the one questioning, but instead emotionally reacted to the word PARTY, then remembered what the statement said(which in his mind turned from "bla-bla-bla PARTY bla-bla" to "the PARTY was for you") when the child repeated the statemend "The party was for me" because the statement itself become like a self-confirmation to a child, the child said to himself that the party was for him.; it didnt seem to me like a conversation where the child directly looked at one asking question and answering "Yes, you are correct/yes i confirm, the party is for me". The same logic/vision could be applied to previous case (1), a.k.a. after hearing "what do you see?" , the child emotionally reacted to the word SEE, again referred to the statement (as the child probably didnt intentionally listen to the one questioning, so therefore the question didnt feel like the question ), repeated the statement to confirm to himself "I...cant see...".
3)"Does he still talk to you?", if a child would like to answer logically and intentionally/directly to the one who is questioning, the child would answer with "yes, he does still talk to me". And here comes the real answer "I can hear sounds". On the first glance, it seems incorrect answer just because both question and answer dont contain similar words (like in case 1), neither does the answer seem to be logical like case 2.
BUT, if to follow the new logics i kinda invented from the first two sets, (1st logic is "THe child is not listening to the one questioning to intentionally answer or confirm anything; a.k.a not really focusing on answering the question correctly, like a child does" 2nd logic "The child emotionally reacts to the words from the statement") (3nd logic is "after being triggered by certain words(referring to 1st logic), the child lets out another statements as of form of confessing to himself that statement, aka. self-confirmation"). Therefore, 1)the child hears some words "Does he still talk to you?", but doesnt really have intention or will to answer "correctly" (furthermore, it isnt like millions of fnaf fans are relying for his answer to confirm theories or solving some puzzles, no pressure to his childish way of communicating :DDD) 2) reacts to "he" "talk" 3) remembers HOW "he" "talks" to him, and says "I hear sounds". HERE, even if the one who is questioning didnt get a straightforward answer like "Yes, he talks to me, i hear him", the one who is questioning could still deduce that the child gave him very very detailed answer, not only confirming that "he" "talks" to the child, but also understanding that the child hears the sounds from "him"
4) "Do you still have dreams?" ->the child reacts to word "dreams"-> does a self-confirmation / answers emotionally "im scared ".
THerefore, all the answers felt like answers to me for the reasons/logics i could deduce from reading the questions, knowing who is answering, and the setting of the situation
also Miller surname in Dave Miller means "Meaning:One who grinds grain, operates a mill. Miller, once a traditional job turned surname ". Therefore Afton probably was like "hmm, lets have Miller as surname, as it is a traditional job turned surname. Hm, name.... welp, my child Dave is no longer here already, so i wouldnt possibly reference anyone with "my deed sons name"+"popular job surname" combination hehe"
UPD. on the Dave Miller name: It HAS TO BE a reference to RHE crying child Dave (David), because, it is IMPOSSIBLE to say that Afton ,out of all possible names, choose the name of HIS OWN DEED, BELOVED" SON. If Afton couldn't be aware that Dave is his son's name while choosing random names, then the reason Afton choose name HAS RO BE because the Dave is his deed son
Oh geez, that’s so detailed. I swear you’re a child psychology major or something, what you said actually makes a lot of sense
I also wonder if the answers were short on purpose to show that this is a child speaking, because I can't see, I hear sounds, and the party was for me are all short answers. Asking, "Do you still have dreams?" To a child who had violent nightmares could be answered,"I have nightmares, " but that's literally on the nose, we'd know it was the crying child from that alone. The vaguely shortest answer to that I can think of rn is "No, I dont," but that's very introspective for someone who'd be at the most 10. "I'm scared" could also be read as "I'm scared - *OF* my dreams. You don't have to add too much to the answer to get this. So all and all, I agree that if we are talking about someone who is really young and who is limited in his speech, the responses are practically perfect.
Thanksss @@crystalfeline)) I just love psychology and I'm an overthinkinker myself (which perfectly fits with my love for FNAF theories)
I really like this and i wanna add something .
The one who asks says "do you still have dreams ?" When the child hears the word dream he says "i am scared"
Maybe he links the word dream with scary. Thats why when he hears dream first think that comes to his mind is "scary"
I m sorry if this doesnt make any sense english is not my first language.
I think that the question "Do you still have dreams?" being responded to with "I'm scared" for a child would make sense, because if you think about dreams you have had, you might think about details of those dreams, which could lead to him being scared of them and stating that out loud. Remember, in FNaF 4, it is theorized that that whole thing was a dream sequence, and apparently lucid nightmares are vivid, so the Crying Child would not have a hard time remembering his nightmares, hence him being scared when being faced with the question. It really does sound like an answer a kid would give.
"Dave like a old 40-years-old guy at the grill"
Well '83 was 41 years ago, so the child would be in his 50's by now
If the kid was still alive in the fnaf timeline.
Only Matthew Patrick could turn a 16 minute video to over an hour long video
I feel needing to reflect the name is less about puzzle difficulty and more about subtle confirmation you’re on the right track
6:11 I love the fact that Ash does a lil' dance and then immediately changes their mind
Lil dancy dance
If something is "at large", it means it encompasses the whole of something. If something is "writ large", it means it's exaggerated or obvious.
Or just uncommonly scaled up to a high degree
1:02:14 And here we find the wild matpat, in his natural habitat, the couch.
CAAAAWWWW
Matpat, almost breaks a light by kicking his book. Ash, "Do you want to do it again?" Matpat, "Yes."
I can imagine Scott seeing how convinced we are and laughing knowing we aren’t even close
Matpat cannot truly retire until he finally finishes the freakin Petscop theory that he two parted and just......abandoned.
Ozone pointed out that there are 7 sets of 5 tallies… 7 letters in Cassidy with 4 tally marks remaining for 4 letters in Dave.
Yes... but that always felt a bit like a stretch to me. 7 SETS for Cassidy, 4 LINES for Dave. I'm not sure that was the intention. The methods don't line up, yk? It COULD be, but shrug.
@@carimeslockdownedtree2654 why not? The was a different method to find the name Cassidy than to find Dave so the tallies could be similar. It could be showing multiple things, or it could just be a coincidence.
That could be the case. Or it could be a first name and middle name situation where his name is either David Cassidy Afton or Cassidy Dave Afton.
And David has 5 letters!
@@carimeslockdownedtree2654 Cassidy was part of the mci (5 victims), crying child died alone.
Also with the movie drawing, the fact David’s mum has short blonde hair, like Clara who’s a stand in for Mrs Afton.
And she probably would be someone he’d draw, having a happy day with a balloon with; with a dad and brother who’re probably scary, and possibly a sister who may be dead/not born yet. The blonde mum in the drawing is just a nice extra piece of evidence on top!
I think the movie can also be used as evidence that Dave is the middle child and that he probably died before Elizabeth was born. If Mike = Michael, Garrett = David, and Abby = Elizabeth, then it's clear that Elizabeth is the youngest (wether she was born yet I don't know, and I feel like the fact that her consistent nickname is "baby" also confirms the birth order). More importantly, I think it tells us that Elizabeth probably died after David, since Abby is still alive after Garrett's death
I want to shed light on the questions to the crying child and Cassidy is that, if it’s asking how CC is doing “Do you have dreams? - I’m scared” but then “The plastic telephone or What do you remember” there is no response because the CC either doesn’t remember or doesn’t want to respond to those questions
Being noticed by matpat is a miracle bro😭