that would be RGB 240p, however, the purest form is a straight up digital mod, like the PS1Digital, that thing bypasses the analog RGB, it gives you a straight digital signal.
Hey man! I'm not a beginner and I really want the RAD2X as my solution for my Genesis on my HDTV. Looking forward to it! This will make a lot of people happy, not just retro beginners.
I agree. I don’t just think it’s a solution for “beginners”. It Insinuates that if you’re serious you need an ossc or a framemeister. I think it’s just a good solution full-stop, switch on and play. No worrying about various different profiles for different consoles etc. I’ve preordered a load which will then go through an HDMI matrix to 2 TVs meaning when I have friends round we can play 2 different consoles at the same time. You couldn’t do that with an ossc, well not cost effectively anyway.
You can get an ossc but it may not work with your tv. If you get a new TV it may not work. It has compatibility issues, resolutions on the same set if memory serves too. Everything other solution aside from buying another console that I know of has lag. If you get another console it won't be a 100% reproduction.
Thank you very much for this. While I enjoy all of your content, a lot of it goes over my head. I very much enjoyed the fact that you specifically made this "beginner friendly".
Just received my long-awaited Rad2x and the difference between this and the Kaico 2x is striking. Also, not having to power it externally is a huge plus.
I asked Mike Chi this on twitter, he hadn't tested it, he said assuming the CVBS line is the one used for sync and passed through the converter, he couldn't see why it wouldn't work.
@@Reluctant_Hero Awesome, I'd love to know if it works, I don't own a genesis currently, but the multipurpose aspect of this one could make it a best seller.
No need for the adapters. They already have cables for each of those consoles. Hell, the PlayStation one will also work on PS2 in RGB mode. The vast majority of PS2 games were 480i anyways, so you might as well play PS1 games on a PS2 with the normal PS2 library like I plan to.
Imagine a multi port Scart switch with a Rad2x built-in so you don't need to buy lots of Rad2xs for different systems. Or better still a single Rad2x that has all the main types of console lead built-in and can do the switching itself. One can dream
I'm a big CRT fan, even have my DVD player connected to my 27' Emerson CRT via S video, but the Sega Genesis is the one true retro console I would actually consider playing on my HD monitor instead as the video output is beyond horrendous.
I'm hoping to get the RAD2X for my Genesis once they're in stock, as, like you said, the composite out is extremely fuzzy. The only thing composite has over the RAD2X it seems is that it blurs transparency properly, but that's it.
Great vid! I'll really consider this for my Mega Drive Mod1 since it's very much what I'm looking for until I go through the whole process of getting rid of jailbars etc.
Well this is a lot better than the one that pound puts out. For some reason the model one to model two adapter does not work properly and only produces mono audio. Luckily now we have a much better solution. Because I actually had to look for my old 32x adapter cables to get it to work with the pound cable
@RetroRGB Thanks for mentioning Genesis 3 RGB info. It’s dear to my heart and am always glad to hear people correcting the old wrong info. Does SSSD3 work without issues?
you could theoretically use a rad2x for genesis model 2 on a model one genesis if you mod your model one by: removing the rf modulator , adding a genesis 2 av out port and adding a triple bypass mod chip that uses stereo out and the rgb signal is bypassed at the model 2 av out port.
Would be so amazing if someone came out with a box that integer scales HDMI 480p up to 1080p or 4K. We're getting a lot of solutions now that give you digital 480p but then have nothing to do with that signal but let our TVs turn them into mush...
This has kind of been done with the RetroTINK 2X + OSSC. You can put the HDMI from the RetroTINK into an HDMI to VGA converter, then put the VGA into an OSSC to upscale the rest of the way. Since the RAD-2X is basically a RetroTINK 2X in a plug and play package, it would work with the RAD-2X. Obviously, this isn't ideal budget-wise, but it works very well from what I've heard.
@@kali_muon Yeah I've considered that option, but I'm not into the idea of converting to analogue then back again for no reason. If the OSSC had an HDMI in, it would make a lot more sense.
@@DrLilo The idea seems off-putting, but the signal shouldn't lose any quality. The "cable run" for analog is very short, VGA preserves the picture quality, and the OSSC is great at upscaling. However, the main use that I've heard that setup being used for is connecting composite or svid to the OSSC; in the Genesis' case, we could pump RGB directly into the OSSC and get 1080p.
@@kali_muon I suspect you're right that it offers great results, but it still strikes me as a bit of a hack-job. I personally believe there's a gap in the market for a straight-forward digital to digital nearest-neighbor scaling box. One that takes 480p or 720p in and spits out 1080p or 4K, would even be of benefit to Mini Classic Console owners.
Is there any way to get rid of the color around the screen (I talk about the light blue in sonic, seems like overscan...) I have the same issue after modding my Sega Nomad, it really hurts my eyes :(
I'm still new to retro gaming, but what exactly does the stereo adapter featured in the video do? Does the audio sound better than a standard Genesis 1 to Genesis 2 adapter with the Rad2X? And will it still work as a standard adapter without stereo sound if I were to ever unplug it from the headphone jack and plug in some wireless headphones instead? I have a Model 1 Sega Genesis btw, but I don't have any TV speakers other than what's built onto my flat screen TV
@Brandon Kick Yeah I would like to get the OSSC as well since it would be very useful for consoles that won't have the RAD2X plus being able to use it with my capture cards. The features it has does make me want to take advantage of them when I get it.
For the Retrotink pro/classic they state: "Sega Genesis composite video generates off-spec signals and may not work correctly. For Sega Genesis, we recommend the HD Retrovision Cables". This component cable is an additional £64+£10 Gen1 adapter! How much better would this component cable and a retrotink be better than just using a RAD2X which upscales composite? I have a Gen1 Megadrive and unmodded N64, and although I was looking at the retrotink but it might end up cheaper to just get a RAD2x for each.
I think I might get this cable. I have a model 2 sega Genesis and I don’t want to deal with scalers like framemeister and Ossc since they are pretty expensive. All I want is a simple plug and play solution that looks better than rf. I know i can just play on an emulator, and I do that, but I have a sega Genesis sitting on my shelf in my tv trolley and I want to use it :)
This is a bit of a weird question but would this work fine on a region modded model 1 Pal mega drive that hasn't had the oscillator crystal mod done on it? I'm planning on doing the mod eventually, but it'd be nice to be able to use this anyways.
I soldered an S-Video connection directly to the SNES' video chip, so I can output both at the same time. I'll have a much more detailed video about lag soon that goes into detail about how I do it.
Does this take power from the Genesis to operate , can you please check if its making the console over heat after some playtime, as I seen another video overheating the Genesis. Thanks
There are no heat issues with using a RAD2x and a Genesis. I personally tested this and it makes no difference at all in heat. If someone says it does, they are lying.
This is probably a dumb question, but do you know where I could find a battery door cover for a CDX? Somehow, over the years, mine fell off and has been lost to the void of time...
You mentioned the turbographix 16, but what about the pc engine turbo duo? Do you think it will work? There is a specif portal to check the pin connectors? Thanks 😊
@@RetroRGB Well after playing some H32 games on the system, I realised that they look stretched at 4:3. It would've been nice to have an option. The Monster World games look stretched while games like Valis and El Viento are made with stretching to 4:3 in mind.
It's a smoothing filter. In my opinion, it doesn't look good on 2D games, but does a great job smoothing out older 3D games. Check out the Saturn RAD2x video for more info: th-cam.com/video/KwXJWkkczKk/w-d-xo.html
What would happen if you were to hook the RAD2x to the Genesis, then connected the mClassic to the RAD2x? Would you get a decent 1080p signal? Would it even do anything at all?
After setting up my RAD2X today for my PAL Megadrive ll, I see in some games like Jurassic Park, there is that slim bar of pixels on the very bottom of the screen. I take it this is unavoidable?
Correct, that's the "overscan area" that CRT's would automatically cut off. Nothing you can do about it, without a more complicated scaler that can mask that area.
You're most likely seeing flat-panel motion blur. This is one of the many reasons so many people still use CRT's. Sadly, there's not much you can do to fix it, unless you have an OLED with BFI. I should probably do a "CRT vs Flat-Panel" video, just to help clarify.
that is a HP 22er 21.5-inch Monitor correct? it has 7ms response, isn`t it high to play those retro consoles? I use a samsung s27e510c which has 4ms and I still think it is high input lag, let alone 7 for that hp model
www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/RAD2X-CABLES. They are out of stock currently, though they hope to have more in stock sometime within the first 3 months of 2021. Except slower production runs due to covid.
These adapters are awesome, but since they're based on the RetroTink 2x (of which I have one) I can't get my component signal via HDRetrovision cable'd Super Famicom cooperating properly with my HDMI internal PCI capture card of choice, that being the Intensity Pro 4k from Black Magic Design. Is it due to the fact that it's a component-RGB connection via the Tink? I spent good money on HD Retrovision cables for all my analog consoles (PS1/PS2/SFC) and having to have a secondary external USB 3 capture card (the Razer Ripsaw) to capture/play the aforementioned 3 consoles isn't ideal. Could someone in the comments here please try a RAD2x with the Nintendo cables with an Intensity Pro 4k? Another thing to note is that when I connect my SFC to my IP4k via its breakout cable via composite video from the SFC it sees the output just fine... What do? As final context when I try and use my SFC via my RetroTink2x with my aforementioned capture card I do get a signal, but its sync is JUST offset enough to produce the constant Vertical Hold or V-Hold scrolling effect, making the footage and output useless. Thanks in advance. P.S.: I know this video was showing off the Genesis family of consoles' operation with its cable, but I just wanted to put that out there.
Hi. Used a few BlackMagic capture devices, and they're EXTREMELY particular regarding video signal and precise frame frequency. Anything that deviates slightly hasn't worked for me in the past. Unless you can dial in the PRECISE signal your console is outputting in Media Express, then forget about it.
@@coderkind Thanks for responding! I knew I wasn't the only one to use/have access to BM capture cards! Also so you're saying that it's indeed my IP4k's pickiness with the sync that's causing my issues? How would I dial in the precise frequency in ME? Also also which PCI-E capture card do you recommend that plays nice with the Retrotink 2x and SNES/SFC era signal? macOS compatibility would be nice.
No and No. I think you two are misunderstanding the purpose of this: Both the Xbox and Dreamcast can connect to a modern TV with just a cheap, lagless VGA to HDMI converter. These are for consoles that output signals most modern displays don't know what to do with. Please see the original RAD2x video for more details.
@@RetroRGB Ah, fair enough. But both PS2 and Gamecube are supported with RAD2X so it would make people think it could had been for those other consoles as well. Plus it would had also been good for capture cards as most capture cards particularly newer ones mainly do HDMI.
@@RetroRGB Also, wait, how do you connect an OG Xbox to a VGA to HDMI converter? OG Xbox's best output is component unless there is a mod for VGA on Xbox that I'm missing. Sadly not all Dreamcast games support VGA(I own some that don't). I do understand that this is meant for 240p consoles as it's meant to line double them to 480p, but Dreamcast did have some 240p games as well.
mitu123Copper you took all (every single one) the words right out of my mouth. I second what you say. @RetroRGB I watched the original video very closely when you released it however the info provided in that still lead me to ask the question I asked to begin this convo. Keep up the great work with your videos. They’re always extremely informative and helpful.
So the struggle in my head as I purchase all of these things is....I have a Mega SG and it looks and sounds amazing and it's always what I wind up playing lol. Yet I still keep chasing the pixels.
Hello, I get lost with all these videos ... what is best for me? I have a genesis 2 and an N64. If we're not talking about price, what's the best thing about RAD2x cable or buying an OSSC? RAD2x is more efficient or equal to an OSSC? Thank you for your reply
All of your questions are answered and demonstrated in these videos. Please try again and maybe watch the original, as suggested: th-cam.com/video/DyE85OFGQpM/w-d-xo.html
Didn't I say "Genesis and Mega Drive"? I refuse to put annoying jump cuts in my videos, so I end up doing a bunch of takes and pick the best. Maybe I used the wrong one?
@@RetroRGB dear Bob, the video was awesome! I always enjoy your videos! i said it for laughs of course. I deeply apologize if it heard otherwise! Its really doesn't matter... I Love and appreciate and acknowledge the time and effort you put on each and every video , and it shows. And above all, thanks!!!
The sharpest picture isn't important to me, I just want the picture as the manufacturer intended. These cables are exactly what I've been waiting for.
that would be RGB 240p, however, the purest form is a straight up digital mod, like the PS1Digital, that thing bypasses the analog RGB, it gives you a straight digital signal.
I like how this doesn't go beyond 480. That's the correct resolution corrected.
Hey man! I'm not a beginner and I really want the RAD2X as my solution for my Genesis on my HDTV. Looking forward to it! This will make a lot of people happy, not just retro beginners.
I agree. I don’t just think it’s a solution for “beginners”. It Insinuates that if you’re serious you need an ossc or a framemeister. I think it’s just a good solution full-stop, switch on and play. No worrying about various different profiles for different consoles etc. I’ve preordered a load which will then go through an HDMI matrix to 2 TVs meaning when I have friends round we can play 2 different consoles at the same time. You couldn’t do that with an ossc, well not cost effectively anyway.
You can get an ossc but it may not work with your tv. If you get a new TV it may not work. It has compatibility issues, resolutions on the same set if memory serves too. Everything other solution aside from buying another console that I know of has lag. If you get another console it won't be a 100% reproduction.
Great overview as always. It's nice to see this thing works well.
Thank you very much for this. While I enjoy all of your content, a lot of it goes over my head. I very much enjoyed the fact that you specifically made this "beginner friendly".
Just received my long-awaited Rad2x and the difference between this and the Kaico 2x is striking. Also, not having to power it externally is a huge plus.
I have just picked up one of these cables. Awesome results. Much cheaper than buying a mega Sg.
Awesome video Bob 👍 Cant wait for the follow up videos on SNES and Playstation
Waiting for a restock of these. Says end of May on website. Subscribed to the newsletter and followed their page on Facebook
What about using the Genesis 2 RAD2X with the various HD Retrovision adapters for PlayStation, Saturn & Neo Geo?
I asked Mike Chi this on twitter, he hadn't tested it, he said assuming the CVBS line is the one used for sync and passed through the converter, he couldn't see why it wouldn't
work.
Totschlagen1799 Good to hear. I guess I’ll found out for certain when I receive my own cable.
@@Reluctant_Hero Awesome, I'd love to know if it works, I don't own a genesis currently, but the multipurpose aspect of this one could make it a best seller.
No need for the adapters. They already have cables for each of those consoles. Hell, the PlayStation one will also work on PS2 in RGB mode. The vast majority of PS2 games were 480i anyways, so you might as well play PS1 games on a PS2 with the normal PS2 library like I plan to.
@@railsrustthe PS2 upscales PS1 games.
Great Video mate, very helpful, thank you.
Imagine a multi port Scart switch with a Rad2x built-in so you don't need to buy lots of Rad2xs for different systems. Or better still a single Rad2x that has all the main types of console lead built-in and can do the switching itself. One can dream
That completely defeats the point of the cable: Cheap and easy. If you'd like a full switch setup, there's other options.
@@RetroRGB yeah but imagine if it had black jack and hookers ... just imagine..
Dirty bastard 😃 dont imagine too hard
I'm a big CRT fan, even have my DVD player connected to my 27' Emerson CRT via S video, but the Sega Genesis is the one true retro console I would actually consider playing on my HD monitor instead as the video output is beyond horrendous.
I'm hoping to get the RAD2X for my Genesis once they're in stock, as, like you said, the composite out is extremely fuzzy. The only thing composite has over the RAD2X it seems is that it blurs transparency properly, but that's it.
Great vid! I'll really consider this for my Mega Drive Mod1 since it's very much what I'm looking for until I go through the whole process of getting rid of jailbars etc.
Well this is a lot better than the one that pound puts out. For some reason the model one to model two adapter does not work properly and only produces mono audio. Luckily now we have a much better solution. Because I actually had to look for my old 32x adapter cables to get it to work with the pound cable
480p is a doublestruck 240p signal from the console. Add scanlines and you've got the image as the console is trying to display it.
CD-X would be great with an EverDrive.
Awesome option for people with original hardware. I wonder if the mister is the best option for screen resolutions beyond 480p.
@RetroRGB Thanks for mentioning Genesis 3 RGB info. It’s dear to my heart and am always glad to hear people correcting the old wrong info. Does SSSD3 work without issues?
I haven't tried the SSDS3 yet, but it should work fine. Especially all newer rev's.
@@RetroRGB Funny enough I saw a video on it from Pezz 82 and it does work with the SSDS3, the Genesis 2 RAD2X one does.
you could theoretically use a rad2x for genesis model 2 on a model one genesis if you mod your model one by: removing the rf modulator , adding a genesis 2 av out port and adding a triple bypass mod chip that uses stereo out and the rgb signal is bypassed at the model 2 av out port.
Would be so amazing if someone came out with a box that integer scales HDMI 480p up to 1080p or 4K. We're getting a lot of solutions now that give you digital 480p but then have nothing to do with that signal but let our TVs turn them into mush...
This has kind of been done with the RetroTINK 2X + OSSC. You can put the HDMI from the RetroTINK into an HDMI to VGA converter, then put the VGA into an OSSC to upscale the rest of the way. Since the RAD-2X is basically a RetroTINK 2X in a plug and play package, it would work with the RAD-2X. Obviously, this isn't ideal budget-wise, but it works very well from what I've heard.
@@kali_muon Yeah I've considered that option, but I'm not into the idea of converting to analogue then back again for no reason. If the OSSC had an HDMI in, it would make a lot more sense.
@@DrLilo The idea seems off-putting, but the signal shouldn't lose any quality. The "cable run" for analog is very short, VGA preserves the picture quality, and the OSSC is great at upscaling. However, the main use that I've heard that setup being used for is connecting composite or svid to the OSSC; in the Genesis' case, we could pump RGB directly into the OSSC and get 1080p.
@@kali_muon I suspect you're right that it offers great results, but it still strikes me as a bit of a hack-job. I personally believe there's a gap in the market for a straight-forward digital to digital nearest-neighbor scaling box. One that takes 480p or 720p in and spits out 1080p or 4K, would even be of benefit to Mini Classic Console owners.
Is there any way to get rid of the color around the screen (I talk about the light blue in sonic, seems like overscan...) I have the same issue after modding my Sega Nomad, it really hurts my eyes :(
As far as im aware no, unless you had an alternative device that offered multiple scaling options. Like a framemeister or ossc
You might be able to if you have a monitor.
The earliest Sega Genesis 3 outputs audio and it works for the 32x
I'm still new to retro gaming, but what exactly does the stereo adapter featured in the video do? Does the audio sound better than a standard Genesis 1 to Genesis 2 adapter with the Rad2X? And will it still work as a standard adapter without stereo sound if I were to ever unplug it from the headphone jack and plug in some wireless headphones instead? I have a Model 1 Sega Genesis btw, but I don't have any TV speakers other than what's built onto my flat screen TV
Great video bob. Thank you. Even though im all about my ossc, this rad2x is very tempting as a backup like you said.
@Brandon Kick oh im all about my ossc. But i liked this video and wanted to show support.
@Brandon Kick Yeah I would like to get the OSSC as well since it would be very useful for consoles that won't have the RAD2X plus being able to use it with my capture cards. The features it has does make me want to take advantage of them when I get it.
For the Retrotink pro/classic they state: "Sega Genesis composite video generates off-spec signals and may not work correctly. For Sega Genesis, we recommend the HD Retrovision Cables". This component cable is an additional £64+£10 Gen1 adapter! How much better would this component cable and a retrotink be better than just using a RAD2X which upscales composite? I have a Gen1 Megadrive and unmodded N64, and although I was looking at the retrotink but it might end up cheaper to just get a RAD2x for each.
Very helpful video!
So the triple bypass works perfectly fine alongside the RAD2X?
Thank you! And yes, it works great with all scalers, including the RAD2x :)
@@RetroRGB Awesome!
I've read that the RAD2X's audio doesn't work with receivers (Denon and Sony). Has this been fixed with recent firmware?
Great vid. Thanks for the content. One question: did you already test Rad2x for Saturn?
Yes, here's the video: th-cam.com/video/KwXJWkkczKk/w-d-xo.html
This cable really is a breakthrough for this console, they just can't reproduce it correctly.
How does using the Rad2x compare to using the HDRetrovision component cables plugged directly into a tv?
Great question. This video explains that: th-cam.com/video/DyE85OFGQpM/w-d-xo.html
wow 4K Bob
Good review!
Nice
Hi! Great video. I have just one question: I have an European mega drive with the region and frequency mod. Will it work with the rad2x?
I think I might get this cable. I have a model 2 sega Genesis and I don’t want to deal with scalers like framemeister and Ossc since they are pretty expensive. All I want is a simple plug and play solution that looks better than rf. I know i can just play on an emulator, and I do that, but I have a sega Genesis sitting on my shelf in my tv trolley and I want to use it :)
You just described the perfect scenario for getting this!
What hp monitor are you using?
Nice review detailed and informative.
This is a bit of a weird question but would this work fine on a region modded model 1 Pal mega drive that hasn't had the oscillator crystal mod done on it? I'm planning on doing the mod eventually, but it'd be nice to be able to use this anyways.
Good question. No reason it shouldn't, but you'd have to test to be sure.
@@RetroRGB Good thing this device isn't on the expensive side so there's less reason to hesitate!
How are you able to split the analog outputs to both the RAD2X and directly to the PVM? I'm very interested in your videos.
I soldered an S-Video connection directly to the SNES' video chip, so I can output both at the same time. I'll have a much more detailed video about lag soon that goes into detail about how I do it.
So I've got an HD Retrovision cable right now, and the adapter they make that goes to PlayStation. I wonder if that is also compatible with this?
Cool
I’m using a hyperkin hdmi cable for Genesis and Doom for 32X is unplayable because of how dark it is. Will Doom look right with rad2x?
Will this work with capture devices like the Elgato? If it does, I can consider getting one for streaming.
Does this take power from the Genesis to operate , can you please check if its making the console over heat after some playtime, as I seen another video overheating the Genesis. Thanks
There are no heat issues with using a RAD2x and a Genesis. I personally tested this and it makes no difference at all in heat. If someone says it does, they are lying.
This is probably a dumb question, but do you know where I could find a battery door cover for a CDX?
Somehow, over the years, mine fell off and has been lost to the void of time...
Will the genesis version only work with genesis or anything with the mini din and rgb out? Like a Saturn or a modded 3do?
Nice Rust in Peace Flying V in the back!
Thank you!!! It's fully customized.
You mentioned the turbographix 16, but what about the pc engine turbo duo? Do you think it will work? There is a specif portal to check the pin connectors? Thanks 😊
Yes, it would work with both, provided the adapter is built correctly. More info on the prototype adapter I used in the video is coming soon :)
@@RetroRGB Thank you verymuch, i preordered one, so i will wait your next video to undertsand better!
How does this handle aspect ratio?
Some games you may want to out put at 8:7.
And do you plan on making a video about the PSX cable?
Aspect ratio is always 4:3, as it should be. Yes, I'm covering each cable.
@@RetroRGB Well after playing some H32 games on the system, I realised that they look stretched at 4:3. It would've been nice to have an option.
The Monster World games look stretched while games like Valis and El Viento are made with stretching to 4:3 in mind.
I was wondering: what was the function of that switch on the RAD2X? Seen at 1:34.
It's a smoothing filter. In my opinion, it doesn't look good on 2D games, but does a great job smoothing out older 3D games. Check out the Saturn RAD2x video for more info: th-cam.com/video/KwXJWkkczKk/w-d-xo.html
Would the HAS from RGB on Arcade Projects forum be one of those superguns this *should* work with? If so that makes this 10000x cooler!
No, because that uses an 8-Pin MiniDIN, not 9-pin. Maybe Rob will release an 8-pin version though?
@@RetroRGB Oh ok makes sense. Thanks!
What would happen if you were to hook the RAD2x to the Genesis, then connected the mClassic to the RAD2x? Would you get a decent 1080p signal? Would it even do anything at all?
I tried it and it didn't do much. It does more with the Saturn though, which I'll show next week.
@@RetroRGB It affects the Saturn? Awesome! That's my favorite! I'm looking forward to that video!
Is there a difference between using only a Rad2x vs HD Retrovision Cables + Retrotink2x?
Zero difference. Both are equally awesome.
After setting up my RAD2X today for my PAL Megadrive ll, I see in some games like Jurassic Park, there is that slim bar of pixels on the very bottom of the screen. I take it this is unavoidable?
Correct, that's the "overscan area" that CRT's would automatically cut off. Nothing you can do about it, without a more complicated scaler that can mask that area.
Still looks a little blurry during scrolling on Sonic the Hedgehog games , is that something to do with my tvs refresh rate? Seemed clearer on a crt.
You're most likely seeing flat-panel motion blur. This is one of the many reasons so many people still use CRT's. Sadly, there's not much you can do to fix it, unless you have an OLED with BFI.
I should probably do a "CRT vs Flat-Panel" video, just to help clarify.
@@RetroRGB Would a newer tv or a 4k retrotink address this issue?
Component vs RAD2X... Which is better?
Component video through the RetroTINK 5x is better. But a lot more expensive.
Where did you get the audio jack adapter... the link on the site doesn’t show that
EDIT: Here's the link: retro-access.com/products/female-sega-genesis-megadrive-stereo?aff=3
how much does an Rad 2x cost?
I got a genesis 1
why at 4:47 did the screen shift on the left side? you can see the line running down the middle
Because it went from showing one thing to comparing two things side-by-side. Check out the labels on the bottom of the screen during that time.
@@RetroRGB oh ok,lol I didn't even noticed you was doing a side by side. my bad
It would be a great device to use on a sega Saturn or ps1 then run into a ossc and avoid the 240p and 480i sync issues.
I show this in the RAD2x PlayStation review at 4:10: th-cam.com/video/a0Ksk9Zru_A/w-d-xo.html
I love the intro song
Thank you! I wrote that a few years ago for a band I was in.
@@RetroRGB whatd you use to mix it?
that is a HP 22er 21.5-inch Monitor correct? it has 7ms response, isn`t it high to play those retro consoles? I use a samsung s27e510c which has 4ms and I still think it is high input lag, let alone 7 for that hp model
This one tested at around 3ms with a Time Sleuth...but 7ms is still FAST. That's less than half a frame. Are you confusing frames with ms?
Does this work on a 32X plugged into the Genesis?
This is one of the very first things I show in the video. You should try watching it ;p :)
retro gaming cables says rad2X has a 53 ms lag. Is that right?
No, not at all. I measured and it's less than 1ms. You sure they didn't say "microseconds" and not "milliseconds"?
Can you use this on a Omega MVS, it has the same style plug??
No, the Omega MVS doesn’t use a standard Genesis 2 output.
@@RetroRGB Thanku
The composite signal is so bad from the Genesis you may need something like this to get an image. My tv won't show it's composite video.
Where can I find this item
www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/RAD2X-CABLES. They are out of stock currently, though they hope to have more in stock sometime within the first 3 months of 2021. Except slower production runs due to covid.
These adapters are awesome, but since they're based on the RetroTink 2x (of which I have one) I can't get my component signal via HDRetrovision cable'd Super Famicom cooperating properly with my HDMI internal PCI capture card of choice, that being the Intensity Pro 4k from Black Magic Design. Is it due to the fact that it's a component-RGB connection via the Tink? I spent good money on HD Retrovision cables for all my analog consoles (PS1/PS2/SFC) and having to have a secondary external USB 3 capture card (the Razer Ripsaw) to capture/play the aforementioned 3 consoles isn't ideal. Could someone in the comments here please try a RAD2x with the Nintendo cables with an Intensity Pro 4k? Another thing to note is that when I connect my SFC to my IP4k via its breakout cable via composite video from the SFC it sees the output just fine... What do?
As final context when I try and use my SFC via my RetroTink2x with my aforementioned capture card I do get a signal, but its sync is JUST offset enough to produce the constant Vertical Hold or V-Hold scrolling effect, making the footage and output useless.
Thanks in advance.
P.S.: I know this video was showing off the Genesis family of consoles' operation with its cable, but I just wanted to put that out there.
Hi. Used a few BlackMagic capture devices, and they're EXTREMELY particular regarding video signal and precise frame frequency. Anything that deviates slightly hasn't worked for me in the past. Unless you can dial in the PRECISE signal your console is outputting in Media Express, then forget about it.
@@coderkind Thanks for responding! I knew I wasn't the only one to use/have access to BM capture cards! Also so you're saying that it's indeed my IP4k's pickiness with the sync that's causing my issues? How would I dial in the precise frequency in ME? Also also which PCI-E capture card do you recommend that plays nice with the Retrotink 2x and SNES/SFC era signal? macOS compatibility would be nice.
Master System! YES!!!
Hey Bob, how did you get the RAD2x connected to the trinitron?
Via an HDMI to component converter...and it's a monitor that can handle 480p.
@@RetroRGB cool and so simple
I have a couple bvm with sdi and hd-sdi input and use a hdmi to sdi converter but didn't think of that for 31kHz
Cheers
It would've been good if you could've covered using one of the Genesis cables hooked up to a Sega Saturn via a HDRetrovision adapter.
Radx not available in USA??
No, only one distributor.
This or retrovision cables?
Totally different use cases. This is for HD TV’s. The HD Retrovision are either for CRT’s, or to connect to a scaler like a RetroTINK.
Why did the price go up ? I swear a few month back they where cheaper like 30 euros, now they are 47 euros
The price has never changed.
30 Euros! that wouldn't cover the cost of the PCB Assembly!
Will there eventually be a version available for the original XBox?
Hopefully, but there needs to be one for Dreamcast as well.
No and No. I think you two are misunderstanding the purpose of this: Both the Xbox and Dreamcast can connect to a modern TV with just a cheap, lagless VGA to HDMI converter. These are for consoles that output signals most modern displays don't know what to do with. Please see the original RAD2x video for more details.
@@RetroRGB Ah, fair enough. But both PS2 and Gamecube are supported with RAD2X so it would make people think it could had been for those other consoles as well. Plus it would had also been good for capture cards as most capture cards particularly newer ones mainly do HDMI.
@@RetroRGB Also, wait, how do you connect an OG Xbox to a VGA to HDMI converter? OG Xbox's best output is component unless there is a mod for VGA on Xbox that I'm missing. Sadly not all Dreamcast games support VGA(I own some that don't). I do understand that this is meant for 240p consoles as it's meant to line double them to 480p, but Dreamcast did have some 240p games as well.
mitu123Copper you took all (every single one) the words right out of my mouth. I second what you say. @RetroRGB I watched the original video very closely when you released it however the info provided in that still lead me to ask the question I asked to begin this convo. Keep up the great work with your videos. They’re always extremely informative and helpful.
Do we have a release date yet?
@Nobody You Know - Worse time of the year to be arriving around XMAS time.
Quote from Retro Gaming Cables Limited: "at the end of the month"
Is that 32x spacer a 3D print?
Yes, links are in the main post - Check the description.
RetroRGB cheers
Looks good, not like you can get them though =(
So the struggle in my head as I purchase all of these things is....I have a Mega SG and it looks and sounds amazing and it's always what I wind up playing lol. Yet I still keep chasing the pixels.
If you already have a Mega Sg, that will look better than this. These are just designed to be cheap (but good!) ways to play the original consoles.
ps1 ???
th-cam.com/video/a0Ksk9Zru_A/w-d-xo.html
Hello,
I get lost with all these videos ... what is best for me? I have a genesis 2 and an N64.
If we're not talking about price, what's the best thing about RAD2x cable or buying an OSSC?
RAD2x is more efficient or equal to an OSSC?
Thank you for your reply
All of your questions are answered and demonstrated in these videos. Please try again and maybe watch the original, as suggested: th-cam.com/video/DyE85OFGQpM/w-d-xo.html
why is american mega drives called sega genesis?
I never knew the answer to that. Good question!
I'll stick with my crt
Let me be a douche for a second.. there was no genesis in pal regions ... We toads over the ocean grew up with a 'MegaDrive' .... 🤓
Didn't I say "Genesis and Mega Drive"? I refuse to put annoying jump cuts in my videos, so I end up doing a bunch of takes and pick the best. Maybe I used the wrong one?
@@RetroRGB dear Bob, the video was awesome! I always enjoy your videos! i said it for laughs of course. I deeply apologize if it heard otherwise! Its really doesn't matter... I Love and appreciate and acknowledge the time and effort you put on each and every video , and it shows. And above all, thanks!!!
I spread disease like a dog! Your guitar is very distracting. Oh ya I want a rad2x
Discharge my payload, a mile high...
@@RetroRGB have you checked out the song child Saint by child Saint. You might recognize it.