UPDATE: If you lift the RGB pins during install, you'll need to replace the pullup resistors: www.retrorgb.com/fix-for-all-rgb-bypassed-sega-genesis.html
Wow, that audio is like night and day! It's the purest a lot of us have ever heard that bangin' Sonic 3 soundtrack! Really cool project, Bob. I want one!
If it's VA1, you can mod that sucker and it will then be functionally identical to the first two models. It will then also be compatible with the Terraonion megaSD cartridge, which plays regular SegaCD images. The only thing it won't play is SegaCD 32X, as it's missing the expansion port. RetroRGB has pictures on how to tell whether a Genesis 3 is VA1 or VA2. After the triple bypass, it will have at least the same audio and better video capability than the best model 1 version.
@@cbk12 Officially you need to disconnect the Sega CD to play them from the cartridge, which you can’t do with a CDX, but I recall it was working anyway for someone (Krikzz?).
For anyone on the fence about this, I got a triple bypass installed last December and the differences were INSTANTLY recognizable. Absolutely worth the money.
I'm such a purist. Hearing them side-by-side makes me like the original audio. That grungy sound with the occasional clipping is more...Genesis-y to me.
@@AlexvrbX Yep, and the VA7 model 1s sound just as bad as the VA0/1/1.8 model 2s. It's just not as cut and dry with the Mega Drive/ Genesis, but now the 3BP can even the playing field.
I have a Model 2 and a Hi-Def Graphics Model 1. Switching between the two, my Model 2 has substantially worse audio quality. A good track to test this on is the Stage 1 bar music in Streets of Rage 2. On the Model 2 it sounds terrible, and switching over to the Model 1 the difference is immediately noticeable. I'm probably going to get a triple bypass done for my Model 2 as it's the one I grew up with (never knew the Model 1 existed until later in my life), plus the Sega CD I have is the Model 2 version. Thanks for the great video!
I've been reading about this on your site, and am thankful the installation is easier on non-Gen 1s. Maybe when lockdown is over I'll find a space to work on my consoles with this.
Great video. FWIW I'm no audiophile (I hate people being pedantic about nothing) but I certainly noticed issues with my MD2's audio. After installing a Mega Amp 2.0 (which I think is the same as the audio part of the 3BP you're talking about?) everything's cleared up significantly. Personal opinion but on this note, I think the MD2 is under-rated as I get stereo from the original din and no jailbars. I also like the style of the MD2 as I had one as a kid. Thought I'd mention this as everybody on forums told me to do the 3BP (most don't seem to appreciate what the Mega Amp 2.0 is or why I wouldn't want to use the full 3BP in an MD2). I'm glad that I was able to get away with the simpler, single mod as each bit of fiddling/soldering comes with a level of risk.
I'm guessing it's because the Mega Amp doesn't really fit in with MDFourier, and isn't as close to original Model 1 MD sound as possible. The 3BP uses a slightly different circuit, which takes MDFourier analysis into account. I'm also the kind of guy who'd rather just bypass the audio on the MD2's as well, as I don't want to lose composite video and the model 2's RGB is already pretty good.
There was only one system that I could think of that wasn't either thought of or simply wasn't covered in this segment. The CDX, portable Genesis/CD w/CD player capability. Not many people remember it.
Triple bypass is such an amazing name. Not only does it sound like a marketing ploy Sega would've used in the 90's, but it's very indicative of what Sega was trying to do to keep the console alive. I mean Avgn puts it best. The genesis with all of its machines hooked up to it looks like it's on life support
I like how Bob says in his comparisons that it is "one of the worst" motherboard revisions. Oh god, I wish my audio sounded that good for original audio on the first two Model 2's that I bought on ebay. The audio was so bad for me that my ears felt like they were going to bleed. This comparison at least sounds bearable on the original. I wonder if the 3BP will work on my horror Model 2.
The only downside with my mega drive II is that I got one instance of slowdown playing sonic 2 on co-op with a buddy.... is that like supposed to happen? I don't remember that from back in the day on my og mega drive 1 ( which I no longer have)
6:17 - What is up with the black and red wire in the top right of the board? I've seen several mods where those were in place, but no mod actually explaining *why* they are there in the first place.
@@RetroRGB 😮No way! I have a Model 2 VA3 console with a bare solid wire (like a resistor leg) instead if wire and thought for sure it was some poorly done mod since it's lying flat on top of several VIAs. I think I'll swap that out for some insulated wire, lol.
RetroRGB no I’m talking about the red insulation not connecting anything sitting below that cap. You can see it in all the shots of that chip. And you have so much copper stripped and only the tip soldered. On that kind of job I like soldering up the leg from the board, especially when there’s something like that cap you were trying to avoid, rather than having a long piece of bare copper floating above another component.
3:30 - Where can we find the wire routing that Jose Cruz validated? I don't see the validated wire routes on the Github or the 3BP page on RetroRGB. Thanks!
Couldn’t get VA2 sega cd audio to work. Tried using 3 different sets of jumper wire but nothing still. Just cd audio not triple bypass. Not sure why because he solder points are good.
Hello, once installed, when I put on a game that has mono sound, for example "flashback (PAL)", I only have the sound in the left speaker, is this normal?
Wouldnt a model 1 genesis benefit more from a rgb bypass (non triple) and firebrandx’s M1 mini mega? I’m about to mod my Model 1 and wondering if I should triple bypass instead?
Hi there where can I get this item and who could I get to install it and upgrade my Sega Genesis model oneto also get rid of the gel bars are greatly appreciate any info and help thanks
It'd be cool if there were a way to run the A/V out from the 3BP board to a good ADC for HDMI out as well as additionally maybe an optional S/PDIF out for the audio, and then the Ch. 3/4 switch hole for the RF modulator could be repurposed to switch between HDMI audio out and S/PDIF audio out on a whim.
Yes and I never get tired of hearing it...thank you! I bought it beat up on eBay and rebuilt the whole thing: Hand wown pickups, grinding the frets, etc. It's been the best guitar I've ever owned.
Need a little help with this... I recently bought a genesis 1 with triple bypass and with a 32x i'm getting very low or no sounds coming from the left channel. I reflowed my solder points and checked connections. For example in virtua fighter all voice samples are only coming from right speaker. However in virtua racing all are coming from left and right. any idea on how to fix this? Does the 32x only carry mono audio for some of their extra sound effects and samples? I have the same 32x and cables connected to my genesis 2 with mega amp 2.0 and have no issues at all. If it comes down to it is there a way I can re-enable the headphone jack? I believe its a VA5 or VA6 model 1 genesis. I really want to use this for the rgb bypass but the low audio is giving me a tough time.
Has to be the very first model though, they are hard to find. Not just the early model number - there’s a small initial run with the first box design, but they are findable in Japan.
RetroRGB that’s surprising to hear, I’ve had three and they were all perfect. Not even the bypass needed. Perfect sound, perfect RGB. Others have reported the same, but I trust your findings. It has to be the very first iteration.
I dig that a fellow metal head is a gaming need like me too. Also, nice Dean VMNT Rust in peace model. I've only got one artist sig and it a way low end model, it's a Washburn 332 B dimebag darrell guitar.
9:41 do you know which revision has the poor audio on the model 1? Curious to see if mine is affected. The faulty board I had was VA2 but the one I have currently is VA6.
@@RetroRGB Awesome, thank you! Appreciate the quick response! As a little side note, I have seen some terrible jail bars on some models of the Genesis, but the VA6 that I have the jailbails are barely, barely visible. I'll get a confirmation of the board revision if that helps.
@@noobguy57 If you need to tell which Genesis/MD model 1 has a VA7, look a the back port area. If they're aligned to the right, you're good; if the ports are centered (and you don't see a serial port), you've got a VA7.
Curious, if the Csync is now 75Ohm, what effect do Genesis cables that were attenuating the TTL signal down have on the 75 Ohm signal? Are those extra components no longer needed in the cable?
No, the opposite - The components in the cable are what complete the circuit and allow the csync pin to output 75ohm (between 250mV and 900mV) sync. Without them, you'll damage equipment. Here's some more info: th-cam.com/video/RSn7J6H_m7A/w-d-xo.html
@@RetroRGB okay that makes sense. From watching this video on the 3BP I got the impression the Sync signal coming from the 3BP was already complete. Sync seems like the most confusing aspect and I see why it's best to use Luma or Composite.
@@jamisongillespie3524 The (formerly) Composite pin becomes a 75Ohm C-sync pin with the 3BP, while the original C-sync pin remains unchanged (meaning you'll need properly built cables, but you can still use sync-on-composite with the 3BP).
Funnily enough I don't I ever connected a console I personally owned when it was still 'current' using RF, except as a last resort. My SNES was, from the start, connected through composite. And that's probably only because I didn't realise better options existed. After all, to actually use composite, I had to use a converter, because, believe it or not, it was pretty common in the early 90's for the ONLY connector on a European TV to be a SCART connector. (or as it's officially called, Peritel, but nobody calls it that.) That makes the probability that the TV supported RGB input quite high indeed. And it only got worse further into the 90's. Which honestly makes the n64 video output circuitry all the more bizarre. Only the first generation NTSC machines support RGB, and a slightly later NTSC revision supports being modded for RGB easily. The NTSC models generally all support S-video properly too. PAL machines though? They support Composite only, and for early revisions a partial implementation of S-video that is way too bright. (lacks a few key components.) This is in spite of the fact that the vast majority of PAL televisions in the 90's would natively support RGB SCART, and that the SNES supported RGB output, the n64 uses the same connector as the SNES, and the gamecube again supports RGB out through that exact same connector, leaving only the n64 as the non-RGB capable system in a part of the world where RGB capable TV's were at their peak of availability... Figures doesn't it. XD
Hello Bob, I have a off topic question. One of my CRT TVs has too much overscan when playing NTSC games (I live in a PAL country). I managed to find a manual with information on how to access the service menu. With the menu, I can get a horizontal line to show across the screen but I can't actually do anything with it. My question is if my TV is one of those that you have to physically open up to change these settings, if you happen to have time to look at the manual here (page 9 for service menu): www.eserviceinfo.com/downloadsm/19192/sanyo_ce28SN3-c.html Page 7-8 makes me believe you need to open it. I'm definitely not comfortable with opening it and I'm aware of the risks, I'd just like to know if I might be doing something wrong with the service menu. Thanks a lot for your help and all of your videos.
Nice review, thanks Bob. Unfortunately, Insurrection Industries does not ship in France. In Europe, they only ship in UK, Iceland, Netherlands, Portugal and Switzerland. For other European countries, we can only get the first old Triple Bypass (v0.3) via VideoGamePerfection.com.
I started refurbing Segas a few weeks ago, I'm not a scientist and I don't have sound testing equipment, but I think the model 1s I've tested (3 of them) all sounded somewhat flat. I'm using a 32in stereo crt tv.
I have both a PAL VA4 and VA6 which is modded to death, would the VA6 benefit from the tryple bypass? I dont notice jailbars using RGB I always thought that was a problem for the people that use composite
Hey great video as alwaysl Let me make a question. What do you think about the audio quality of the Genesis core in Mister Fpga? Wich filter do you suggest to use on it? Im using the no filter option and the sound is pretty clean.
Genesis audio on MiSTer is AWESOME; The team uses MDFourier to make sure it's accurate. Filtered vs unfiltered totally depends on your speakers and your ears...there's no right or wrong answer, it's whatever you like best :)
It’s essentially making model 2’s have the same clarity and balance as model 1’s. And when installed in a model 1, it’s the same circuit, but with brand new, high end components. So, it’s the same as a new Genesis 1, but with a lower noise floor.
I have a genesis model one from my childhood first console and a CDX... How does the CDX and even the new Retro Genesis Mini compare in sound to this mod?
RetroRGB - So which Genesis console gives the best picture and audio after the bypass? Also what about the Mega Drive in Europe, do the European models have the same issues as the Genesis models and will they benefit from the mod and can I get a 60fps mod as well?
Is the "adding SMD capacitors in a few places on the motherboard" actually documented anywhere? I've only seen people talking about putting a couple near the VDP.
I must admit my Japanese is still lacking, but the word on the shirt looks like gibberish. The first two character say earth, but I don't think the whole 4 characters is a Japanese word. Does it mean something in Chinese? Can anyone explain what it says?
to make it a true tower of power you would need a sega cd under the model 1, a 32X on top of the model 3, a game genie in the 32X, and sonic 3 and knuckles on top of the game genie
Amazing! I'm going to buy myself for model 1 and 2, but ... Does this come with the installation instructions? Will there be a "how to install it" page? Thank you very much for the information you always provide us! Excellent video!!!
Detailed instructions are coming, once we launch the wiki. That got delayed cause of everything going on ;/ At the moment, you can check out Jose's twitter page and just copy his installs: @cruzlink2
UPDATE: If you lift the RGB pins during install, you'll need to replace the pullup resistors: www.retrorgb.com/fix-for-all-rgb-bypassed-sega-genesis.html
Wow, that audio is like night and day! It's the purest a lot of us have ever heard that bangin' Sonic 3 soundtrack! Really cool project, Bob. I want one!
I picked up a Genesis 3 cheap from toys r us back in the day. Just keep it to complete the set. Had no idea anybody cared enough to make mods for it.
If it's VA1, you can mod that sucker and it will then be functionally identical to the first two models. It will then also be compatible with the Terraonion megaSD cartridge, which plays regular SegaCD images. The only thing it won't play is SegaCD 32X, as it's missing the expansion port. RetroRGB has pictures on how to tell whether a Genesis 3 is VA1 or VA2. After the triple bypass, it will have at least the same audio and better video capability than the best model 1 version.
@@bruceg22000 so im curious then. Would the cdx play the 32x/cd games combo? From a flash cart?
@@cbk12 Officially you need to disconnect the Sega CD to play them from the cartridge, which you can’t do with a CDX, but I recall it was working anyway for someone (Krikzz?).
@@emmettturner9452 good to know thank you 😊
First mod I ever installed! Brought new life to my model 2. Love that you're doing this since RETRORGB is why I installed in the first place.
Thank you!
For anyone on the fence about this, I got a triple bypass installed last December and the differences were INSTANTLY recognizable. Absolutely worth the money.
Did you send yours in?
Amazing video as always. Lots of awesome love for the Genesis now a days.
Yes finally indeed!
I have this mod installed on 2 of my systems and is well worth the time & money. One of the best mega drive mods out there IMO
Tech in Brazil is really waaaaay behind - 4 years later I finally managed to put my hands on one of these, now is time to install it ♥ ty Bob
I could hear the difference even on my cell phone
Same.
yes
Especially Knuckles' theme!
Bluestreak94 Plays Something Random yeah... Knuckles’ theme sounded like a broken paper shredder on that stock Genesis.
Same
On the Genesis 2, I can obviously tell the difference. The 3BP sounds cleaner than the original audio output.
Not all Genesis Model 2's are bad, and and not all Genesis 1's are good. I've got a VA4 Model 2 and the audio and video are pretty damn good already.
I'm such a purist. Hearing them side-by-side makes me like the original audio. That grungy sound with the occasional clipping is more...Genesis-y to me.
@@AlexvrbX Yep, and the VA7 model 1s sound just as bad as the VA0/1/1.8 model 2s. It's just not as cut and dry with the Mega Drive/ Genesis, but now the 3BP can even the playing field.
triple bypass kept my dad alive
did you notice a difference in audio/video quality
I can confirm hearing the difference in the quality. Awesome work! *subscribed*
Really cool to know! It's beyond my skill/patience but I still love learning about these mods.
Coolest thing I've seen this week, by far. Macho Nacho's latest video sent me here. Subscribed
I have a Model 2 and a Hi-Def Graphics Model 1. Switching between the two, my Model 2 has substantially worse audio quality. A good track to test this on is the Stage 1 bar music in Streets of Rage 2. On the Model 2 it sounds terrible, and switching over to the Model 1 the difference is immediately noticeable.
I'm probably going to get a triple bypass done for my Model 2 as it's the one I grew up with (never knew the Model 1 existed until later in my life), plus the Sega CD I have is the Model 2 version. Thanks for the great video!
I've actually been using your site lately because I've been looking at buying an old genesis and this video comes up! It's a sign haha
I've been reading about this on your site, and am thankful the installation is easier on non-Gen 1s. Maybe when lockdown is over I'll find a space to work on my consoles with this.
Great video. FWIW I'm no audiophile (I hate people being pedantic about nothing) but I certainly noticed issues with my MD2's audio.
After installing a Mega Amp 2.0 (which I think is the same as the audio part of the 3BP you're talking about?) everything's cleared up significantly.
Personal opinion but on this note, I think the MD2 is under-rated as I get stereo from the original din and no jailbars. I also like the style of the MD2 as I had one as a kid. Thought I'd mention this as everybody on forums told me to do the 3BP (most don't seem to appreciate what the Mega Amp 2.0 is or why I wouldn't want to use the full 3BP in an MD2). I'm glad that I was able to get away with the simpler, single mod as each bit of fiddling/soldering comes with a level of risk.
I'm guessing it's because the Mega Amp doesn't really fit in with MDFourier, and isn't as close to original Model 1 MD sound as possible. The 3BP uses a slightly different circuit, which takes MDFourier analysis into account. I'm also the kind of guy who'd rather just bypass the audio on the MD2's as well, as I don't want to lose composite video and the model 2's RGB is already pretty good.
Keep the MDG alive, super awesome work.
Ohh man, the Pete Sampras Tennis music! That takes me back to my childhood playing with my dad and sister.
There was only one system that I could think of that wasn't either thought of or simply wasn't covered in this segment. The CDX, portable Genesis/CD w/CD player capability. Not many people remember it.
The custom CDX board is not done yet. So there isn't much point in talking about.
Triple bypass is such an amazing name. Not only does it sound like a marketing ploy Sega would've used in the 90's, but it's very indicative of what Sega was trying to do to keep the console alive. I mean Avgn puts it best. The genesis with all of its machines hooked up to it looks like it's on life support
Big ups to my man cruzlink. Hope you doing well, buddy! I still got the Virtua Stick!
Great video. I've been wondering what this project was and this explanation was really interesting.
Wow, I’d love to learn how to do that mod to my model 2. That audio is a huge improvement.
Never was big on Genesis (didn't grow up with it) but projects like these make the proposition of getting one much more enticing.
HypeBeast Bob with the info 🤯 🔥
I like how Bob says in his comparisons that it is "one of the worst" motherboard revisions. Oh god, I wish my audio sounded that good for original audio on the first two Model 2's that I bought on ebay. The audio was so bad for me that my ears felt like they were going to bleed. This comparison at least sounds bearable on the original. I wonder if the 3BP will work on my horror Model 2.
Great video! Have one done each on CDX, Gen 1 and 2, highly recommended
The only downside with my mega drive II is that I got one instance of slowdown playing sonic 2 on co-op with a buddy.... is that like supposed to happen? I don't remember that from back in the day on my og mega drive 1 ( which I no longer have)
Pretty sweet! Great vid!
Like this product. Hope you're well and safe.
Now I may be the minority, but the 3BP sounded a bit flat to me. The original had more punch. Excellent video Bob 👍
Wait, so the model 2 isn't supposed to sound like that?
no spec of dust on that model 1. amazing.
Finally a TH-camr fully cleans their tech before filming!
Now just need to find a local mod shop because there's no way I could pull off something like that on my own...
Holy shit, that 0.50% difference was quite noticeable.
Great video. I LOVE your Metroid poster! Where did you get it?
Thanks! I got it on eBay in 2015 (ish). It's a reproduction of an original. You should be able to find one on eBay or Etsy.
6:17 - What is up with the black and red wire in the top right of the board? I've seen several mods where those were in place, but no mod actually explaining *why* they are there in the first place.
Believe it or not, that was a factory mod. The model 1 Genesis consoles have a TON of them, as do 32x's. It's kinda funny to see.
@@RetroRGB 😮No way! I have a Model 2 VA3 console with a bare solid wire (like a resistor leg) instead if wire and thought for sure it was some poorly done mod since it's lying flat on top of several VIAs. I think I'll swap that out for some insulated wire, lol.
2:30 dear lord that solder job
I think I just heard Voultar hitting the floor.
If you think that's a bad soldering job, you have no clue what you're doing. Do you even understand what's going on there?
RetroRGB at least clean up the scrap insulation off the board
Are you talking about the capacitor that's soldered on the motherboard to filter the signal? I show it again later in the video.
RetroRGB no I’m talking about the red insulation not connecting anything sitting below that cap. You can see it in all the shots of that chip. And you have so much copper stripped and only the tip soldered. On that kind of job I like soldering up the leg from the board, especially when there’s something like that cap you were trying to avoid, rather than having a long piece of bare copper floating above another component.
I could actually tell the difference in the audio on my iPhone XR. Sounds super good!
3:30 - Where can we find the wire routing that Jose Cruz validated? I don't see the validated wire routes on the Github or the 3BP page on RetroRGB. Thanks!
I want one of those broadcast monitors, they look very clean. I love my crt, but I would love it even more if it was clearer!
Couldn’t get VA2 sega cd audio to work. Tried using 3 different sets of jumper wire but nothing still. Just cd audio not triple bypass. Not sure why because he solder points are good.
Hello, once installed, when I put on a game that has mono sound, for example "flashback (PAL)", I only have the sound in the left speaker, is this normal?
Wouldnt a model 1 genesis benefit more from a rgb bypass (non triple) and firebrandx’s M1 mini mega?
I’m about to mod my Model 1 and wondering if I should triple bypass instead?
What a great video! Thank you very much Bob!
I love the way that Sony TV looks! What model is it?
KV-13TR24
Hi there where can I get this item and who could I get to install it and upgrade my Sega Genesis model oneto also get rid of the gel bars are greatly appreciate any info and help thanks
It'd be cool if there were a way to run the A/V out from the 3BP board to a good ADC for HDMI out as well as additionally maybe an optional S/PDIF out for the audio, and then the Ch. 3/4 switch hole for the RF modulator could be repurposed to switch between HDMI audio out and S/PDIF audio out on a whim.
Way better to use a RetroTINK 5x, as you'd not only get proper scaling, but TONS of great options.
you probably get this a lot, but that's a sick flying V Rust In Peace Guitar you got there!
Yes and I never get tired of hearing it...thank you! I bought it beat up on eBay and rebuilt the whole thing: Hand wown pickups, grinding the frets, etc. It's been the best guitar I've ever owned.
What does the Kanji on the shirt mean?
I see that Rust in Peace Dean! Very cool!
Thank you! I did a bunch of mods to it and it's now one of the best guitars I've ever played.
Cool I already use the HD Retrovision wire on a high quality CRT and PVM so I'm thinking of picking this up
I have a jap Mega Drive 2 with the Triple Bypass and Region Switchless mod. Its awesome folks 🤩💪🏼
Need a little help with this... I recently bought a genesis 1 with triple bypass and with a 32x i'm getting very low or no sounds coming from the left channel. I reflowed my solder points and checked connections. For example in virtua fighter all voice samples are only coming from right speaker. However in virtua racing all are coming from left and right. any idea on how to fix this? Does the 32x only carry mono audio for some of their extra sound effects and samples? I have the same 32x and cables connected to my genesis 2 with mega amp 2.0 and have no issues at all. If it comes down to it is there a way I can re-enable the headphone jack? I believe its a VA5 or VA6 model 1 genesis. I really want to use this for the rgb bypass but the low audio is giving me a tough time.
I think I'm going to get this installed in my model 2 at some point
Bob did you know the very, very first JP MD has perfect video and audio out of the box, no mods necessary, doesn’t even have jailbars.
Has to be the very first model though, they are hard to find. Not just the early model number - there’s a small initial run with the first box design, but they are findable in Japan.
That's definitely not true. I've personally tested a 1st run of Japanese boards and it had a world of issues.
RetroRGB that’s surprising to hear, I’ve had three and they were all perfect. Not even the bypass needed. Perfect sound, perfect RGB. Others have reported the same, but I trust your findings. It has to be the very first iteration.
RetroRGB they were all VA0? After that things get screwy, and by VA5 it’s very different.
nice video
i might consider getting one and trying to mod it myself, as mega drives model 2 are dirt cheap in Europe
I dig that a fellow metal head is a gaming need like me too. Also, nice Dean VMNT Rust in peace model. I've only got one artist sig and it a way low end model, it's a Washburn 332 B dimebag darrell guitar.
9:41 do you know which revision has the poor audio on the model 1? Curious to see if mine is affected. The faulty board I had was VA2 but the one I have currently is VA6.
VA7 - The one that's basically a model 2 in a model 1 shell.
@@RetroRGB Awesome, thank you! Appreciate the quick response! As a little side note, I have seen some terrible jail bars on some models of the Genesis, but the VA6 that I have the jailbails are barely, barely visible. I'll get a confirmation of the board revision if that helps.
@@noobguy57 If you need to tell which Genesis/MD model 1 has a VA7, look a the back port area. If they're aligned to the right, you're good; if the ports are centered (and you don't see a serial port), you've got a VA7.
@@AceTrainerX3 I'll check, thanks!
I was today years old when I found out there was a genesis 3
there is a 4 and 5 too.
@@thetechoasis2179 No, There’s only the original, Model 2, and the model 3
The Genesis 3 was made with Sega and majesco in 1998
Curious, if the Csync is now 75Ohm, what effect do Genesis cables that were attenuating the TTL signal down have on the 75 Ohm signal? Are those extra components no longer needed in the cable?
No, the opposite - The components in the cable are what complete the circuit and allow the csync pin to output 75ohm (between 250mV and 900mV) sync. Without them, you'll damage equipment. Here's some more info: th-cam.com/video/RSn7J6H_m7A/w-d-xo.html
@@RetroRGB okay that makes sense. From watching this video on the 3BP I got the impression the Sync signal coming from the 3BP was already complete. Sync seems like the most confusing aspect and I see why it's best to use Luma or Composite.
@@jamisongillespie3524 The (formerly) Composite pin becomes a 75Ohm C-sync pin with the 3BP, while the original C-sync pin remains unchanged (meaning you'll need properly built cables, but you can still use sync-on-composite with the 3BP).
I am an unmod type person because I wouldn't add seatbelts to a classic car so I wouldn't remove Jailbars from my NES toploader either.
Mega Drive 1 was the best model of all Genesis/MegaDrive . Graphics were so round and omages were fluid like 60fps
Funnily enough I don't I ever connected a console I personally owned when it was still 'current' using RF, except as a last resort.
My SNES was, from the start, connected through composite.
And that's probably only because I didn't realise better options existed.
After all, to actually use composite, I had to use a converter, because, believe it or not, it was pretty common in the early 90's for the ONLY connector on a European TV to be a SCART connector. (or as it's officially called, Peritel, but nobody calls it that.)
That makes the probability that the TV supported RGB input quite high indeed.
And it only got worse further into the 90's.
Which honestly makes the n64 video output circuitry all the more bizarre.
Only the first generation NTSC machines support RGB, and a slightly later NTSC revision supports being modded for RGB easily.
The NTSC models generally all support S-video properly too.
PAL machines though? They support Composite only, and for early revisions a partial implementation of S-video that is way too bright. (lacks a few key components.)
This is in spite of the fact that the vast majority of PAL televisions in the 90's would natively support RGB SCART, and that the SNES supported RGB output, the n64 uses the same connector as the SNES, and the gamecube again supports RGB out through that exact same connector, leaving only the n64 as the non-RGB capable system in a part of the world where RGB capable TV's were at their peak of availability...
Figures doesn't it. XD
Hello Bob, I have a off topic question. One of my CRT TVs has too much overscan when playing NTSC games (I live in a PAL country). I managed to find a manual with information on how to access the service menu. With the menu, I can get a horizontal line to show across the screen but I can't actually do anything with it.
My question is if my TV is one of those that you have to physically open up to change these settings, if you happen to have time to look at the manual here (page 9 for service menu): www.eserviceinfo.com/downloadsm/19192/sanyo_ce28SN3-c.html
Page 7-8 makes me believe you need to open it.
I'm definitely not comfortable with opening it and I'm aware of the risks, I'd just like to know if I might be doing something wrong with the service menu. Thanks a lot for your help and all of your videos.
Nice review, thanks Bob.
Unfortunately, Insurrection Industries does not ship in France. In Europe, they only ship in UK, Iceland, Netherlands, Portugal and Switzerland. For other European countries, we can only get the first old Triple Bypass (v0.3) via VideoGamePerfection.com.
The Genesis always sounded tinny and fuzzy to me. It's nostalgic.
You are awesome. Keep up the awesome work!
Thanks very much!
I started refurbing Segas a few weeks ago, I'm not a scientist and I don't have sound testing equipment, but I think the model 1s I've tested (3 of them) all sounded somewhat flat. I'm using a 32in stereo crt tv.
I have both a PAL VA4 and VA6 which is modded to death, would the VA6 benefit from the tryple bypass? I dont notice jailbars using RGB I always thought that was a problem for the people that use composite
Just my personal opinion: If you're happy with your Genesis in its current form, leave it as-is.
Hey great video as alwaysl Let me make a question. What do you think about the audio quality of the Genesis core in Mister Fpga? Wich filter do you suggest to use on it? Im using the no filter option and the sound is pretty clean.
Genesis audio on MiSTer is AWESOME; The team uses MDFourier to make sure it's accurate. Filtered vs unfiltered totally depends on your speakers and your ears...there's no right or wrong answer, it's whatever you like best :)
Where is a soild set of directions on how to install this on a Model 1, any worries/concerns about using a Model 1 Sega CD ?
In the old days you could do cable to composite which is so much better than the rf converter.
Just wondering if this mod will fix the slow music in Hellfire on Model 2 Genesis/Mega Drive?
No, that's a software issue that can't be corrected on original hardware, with the original game.
@@RetroRGB thanks been looking all over the place for an answer
I didn't realize it was a software issue
Thought it was the change in hardware
any other store that sells the current version? it seems insurrection's shipping is pretty limited, and VGP sells an older version
I could tell the difference listening from my iPhone. How’s the audio on a Nomad compared to these??
The Nomad's still noisy after the 3BP, but definitely better than stock.
You can check out the nomad triple bypass audio comparisons for reference.
I hear the difference but for some reason I prefer the "bad" sound, sounds a genesis to me lol
But what does the triplebypass do to the audio? What is being changed?
It’s essentially making model 2’s have the same clarity and balance as model 1’s. And when installed in a model 1, it’s the same circuit, but with brand new, high end components. So, it’s the same as a new Genesis 1, but with a lower noise floor.
Makes a big difference i couldn't even play Streets of Rage 2 on my model 2 cause of the cackling bass. Thanks RGB, subbed 👍
I have a genesis model one from my childhood first console and a CDX... How does the CDX and even the new Retro Genesis Mini compare in sound to this mod?
RetroRGB - So which Genesis console gives the best picture and audio after the bypass? Also what about the Mega Drive in Europe, do the European models have the same issues as the Genesis models and will they benefit from the mod and can I get a 60fps mod as well?
Is the "adding SMD capacitors in a few places on the motherboard" actually documented anywhere? I've only seen people talking about putting a couple near the VDP.
No, that'll all be some of the first things to appear on the wiki...which was delayed again because of all the craziness going on ;/
@@RetroRGB Cool, that's fair enough. Looking forward to it.
That's a damn fine shirt you've got there
Thanks! I linked to it in the description if you'd like one.
@@RetroRGB Awesome! I'll definitely take a look!
I must admit my Japanese is still lacking, but the word on the shirt looks like gibberish. The first two character say earth, but I don't think the whole 4 characters is a Japanese word. Does it mean something in Chinese? Can anyone explain what it says?
What about the sega cdx?????
Absolutely requires a custom unit that I have been working on.
@@MobiusStripTech nice cant wait to see it :)
i can notice way more than 1% audio difference on my 8" bx8's
Watching on a tablet without headphones and the audio comparison is easily noticeable. One doesn’t sound like a distorted mess.
1:48 - the REAL Sega Tower of Power: the Genesis 3 stacked on top of the Genesis 2 on top of the original Genesis!
to make it a true tower of power you would need a sega cd under the model 1, a 32X on top of the model 3, a game genie in the 32X, and sonic 3 and knuckles on top of the game genie
Audiophile caps on a none hifi signal seems like being more than adequately versed in the sin of onan.
triple bypass remove the stripes on the image?
Yes, however Model 1 Genesis requires more modifications for a clean image.
So you basically uses that THS7374 & TL792 instead of the amp on the motherboard, very nice.
triple bypass indeed.
Is this still available anywhere? If so, can someone let me know where thanks.
Both of the links in this description still have them in stock.
is that a Rust In Peace themed guitar i spot in the background? nice
Yup! That's my favorite guitar! Thanks!
Amazing! I'm going to buy myself for model 1 and 2, but ...
Does this come with the installation instructions? Will there be a "how to install it" page?
Thank you very much for the information you always provide us!
Excellent video!!!
Detailed instructions are coming, once we launch the wiki. That got delayed cause of everything going on ;/ At the moment, you can check out Jose's twitter page and just copy his installs: @cruzlink2
RetroRGB that’s what I do. I wish twitter had a better search function.
I assume if you have a Mega Sg, the sound isn’t a problem?
What video cable is recommended for a triple bypass model 2?
Any of the ones listed here: www.retrorgb.com/genesisrgbcables.html
@@RetroRGB do you know any converters that allow you to get the native resolution?
@@RetroRGB also, what would happen if I use a simple model 2 to av cable?
Its so wired seeing that in the US you screwed them in to the TV while here we just plug it into the aerials port
How does this fare with the jvc x eye an official sega genesis
"輿地情来"Neither Chinese nor Japanese
These four Chinese characters are written randomly and have no meaning
I prefer the low pass filtered output of the Mega Drive
only the pre-VA7 model 1's though,