2:35 Rule #1 Melody is King 4:16 Rule #2 Chorus within 50 seconds 5:18 Rule #3 No more than 3 to 4 parts 6:17 Rule #4 Recycle Melodic parts 8:16 Rule #5 Create Balance 9:31 Conclusion
I grew up on the music this guy wrote. And I still love pop to this day, in fact I’m currently working on being a pop producer. Yet my love for jazz and classical is still there. People who discredit pop have no idea what they’re talking about
great analysis, very helpful for songwriters! I don't want my songs to sound anything like Max Martin, but I do see a huge value in understanding the tricks and methods behind one of the "biggest" songwriters in human history. thanks for sharing :)
You are a gifted analyzer, And you present naturally, in a welcoming way, with no falseness. A real compass, for people.searching for greatness. That missing chord.
As usual, lovely guy, very clear explanations, amazing video animation, no click bait - this guy delivers QUALITY! And don't pay attention to people mentioning the fact that you speak slowly, they're just straight negative people, and don't have 10% of your ability to analyse songwriting.
This video was a massive help to my music technology project on Max Martin, there is not a lot of information online about his melodic math idea so this very clear video was extremely helpful. Thank you!
This is invaluable, thank you! I've watched hundreds of songwriting videos, and this is one of the meatiest that I've come across. Well researched, and well explained. Subbed.
Legendary! Subbed! It's also nice to hear some of what I've naturally been doing echoed back here, but also lots of great tips I'd never thought of. I particularly liked the idea of recycling and using more simple melodies when you are using a more complex chord progression to counterbalance. Brilliant
Arvo Pärt (Estonia, 1935), the most played living composer during 2011-2018, is also composing classical and religious music that is strictly governed by mathematical rules. His piece "Fratres" composed for piano and violin should instantly convince you how pattern based music can evoke very strong emotions, perhaps even stronger than arbitrary approach to making music, because human brains subconsciously pick up the signals of patterns hidden in music and therefore people like it more. This is something closely related to what Ali said about the mere-exposure effect.
Great Info! People who dont like "positive pop music" (or some may call it cheesy songs") will use the chance here to write bad comments etc but fact is the majority of people DO like music that is based on such formulars. Also, people shouldnt blame Max Martin on that because these formulars exist since hundereds of years and even Classical composers were using melodic math. Thank you for sharing such great information!
Back in the 1990s Max Martin was invited to work with Denniz Pop, in the legendary Cheiron Studio which would become one one of the world's most successful pop studios for its time. If you listen to Denniz first major hit ''Hello Africa'' by Dr Alban you'll understand what Max means with clarity. The song is very simple (instruments kept to a minimum), and you can clearly hear how instruments are gradually introduced. The chorus start exactly at 50 sec.
Thank you for the info in this video, it really was very helpful. What I have noticed is that there are quite a few nasty people leaving comments on your video. Ignore those people they probably don’t like themselves so I highly doubt they will like you. Ignore the nasty comments and concentrate on the nice ones. Thanks again for the video! 😊👍
Thanks, I'm pleased you found it helpful. I have no problem with people sharing there opinion it's what the comments section is for. As your channel name says everyone is entitled to their opinion 😊If you're willing to be open, even the negative comments can help you to grow and improve, some of the negative comments on here I actually don't disagree with, and the ones I do doesn't make them wrong just because I disagree. Thanks for your comment 👍
Don't get too hooked. Those rules and some more are known to many people for years, even before Max era. Even I know them and quite alot more. Yet there are so few successful songwriters. Why? Because Max is highly talented for writing melodies. That's what distinguish him from thousands guys that know same rules as he does. If there were for toolbox there would be thousands of rich songwriters. Life isn't that easy.
I'm starting to think there's more to "hit" songs than just writing a good tune with good harmony. Fame, and what becomes famous or accepted as "great" is a very interesting thing to study. The more agreement that you're 'cool' and the more attention you get, the more people value what you do, and are willing to "see" in it. Once you're noticed, mentioned, and praised by enough people, then suddenly more people are willing to listen to you, and see the good in what you did, trust what you did as "good", take advice from you, etc. and most of all give you the benefit of the doubt. This is why McCartney's music still sells, even though he can't write a decent song anymore. If he hadn't been a Beatle, nothing he did after the break-up would have been noticed. And most people will disagree with that because they won't take into account the red carpet he was already walking on by then. They don't see how their preconceived assumptions and therefore their judgement, works. They can't really imagine him as a 'nobody' they've never heard of, and who no record company would give the time of day to, even if his stuff was pretty good. They also don't understand how the record industry worked at that time, never mind now. Everyone wants to be on a bandwagon, and ride with a crowd, so they look for wagons to get on so they can ride with that crowd and "see" what that crowd sees. Notice how political views are not very mixed. People who accept certain political views will more likely accept certain other ones, often without evaluating them thoroughly. That's because the people they consider to be "right" have to be right about everything else, or lose some of their credibility, which would cause them to be questioned on what they say. I'm over 6 decades now, and have watched the music industry change so drastically, that it appears that "what makes a great song" has changed as well. I always thought there were these timeless principles & qualities to 'good music', but those qualities have all -and I mean ALL - gone out the window since the 1970s, and been replaced with other "qualities". I seems that when the basic mentality of society changes enough, so come changes in artistic tastes. Another observation is that musicians tend to suck in their musical tastes - they more often tend to like songs & styles that are not really all that popular with the larger masses, although there are enough people who will buy those records to keep a band making a living. But they don't have the mass appeal that other types of music do. You will never convince one of those musicians that this is the case of course, because they "know" for sure what is good and what isn't. But they can't write big mass appeal hits....for some reason. They keep writing the stuff THEY think is good, and wonder why it's not a massive hit. So at least 1 of my theories on why it's so hard to write a hit is that the people who write songs - musicians - tend to have "off-ish" tastes, and of course write stuff that appeals to them, not to the majority of people, i.e non-musicians.
@Bike thanks! I almost deleted that after finishing it, feeling sure no one would read it anyway, because it's too long. And the average person would probably see it as pointless rambling about nothing. ;)
Very interesting video: it's all about finding the balance between repetition without getting boring or surprise without loosing the listener. The 1 2 3 rule fits this (2 repetitions of a pattern before having the 3rd slightly modified)
I'd welcome info about the grid disply of melodies as shown at 8:00 in the video. It looks like 1/8th note resolution in time. But 6 levels in pitch. Does this imply Max's melodies don't use any 1/16th note timing? How is the pitch represented as a starting level? for bigger pitch changes than 6 levels? Is there a name for such grid notation? Thank you for the very interesting video.
I've been doing melodic math without knowing I was doing it. Example in my song The Way I Is (iTunes, Spotify, Amazon) verse: I'm a black boy in a white world (8syllables) so I had to change my name to get this song heard (12 syllables) It's Njabulo say it right ho (8 syllables) now I'm Charlie Manner tearing up the dance flo' (12 syllables) I have Asperger's so I always do my best to make my lyrics fit the syllable count. I also do my best to make the middle and end words rhyme. With the chorus melody takes the lead. I make it as simple as possible, very similar to a nursery rhyme. And, I've noticed that with this method, people always end up humming the chorus after the 1st listen.
Wow mate. Ive been doing wierd music for a long time started with electronic then got into composition and now I want to learn how to make more normal and approachable stuff. This channel seems to be great for me. you got mu sub.
Thanks for this!! Great to look at techniques like this, practice emulating them and then blend the parts I like into my own style! We all got where we are by emulating others, from the basics of learning how to crawl then walk as a baby (we saw adults do the walking first). I am not sure anyone just created a song without hearing other songs first, which they ultimately emulated, just look at the classical music era.
Thanks ! In a recent interview he also revealed that one basic principle he follows is what he calls "The Prince Theory" - unfortunately the interviewer interrupted him way too early, but this is what i took away: Apparently in a lot of Prince songs either the melody or the chords in the verse are actually the same as in the chorus. He said Prince would tease the chorus already in the verse this way. Funny as i'm a huge Prince fan but i never noticed that. My own addition when it comes to Prince would be that in a lot of songs he uses a primary (instrumental) hook, supported by a secondary hook that gets introduced later in the song. This way he manages to keep the interest of the listener without repeatin the same thing over and over again.
Very true indeed! I actually spent time working with Prince at Paisley Park in 2013. Sometimes Prince has a formula but most times he just picks up whatever instrument is within reach and just jams out. Once he figures he has something that works, he starts calling in the band (3rd Eye girl) to teach the parts one at at time. Once completed, then I would get the signal from him to mic him up and start recording. Checkout the song "Another Love" from him when you get a chance, It is a perfect example of the process mentioned.
That's very cool I got more out of it this time. It seems as my keyboard skills improve so does my ability to understand song structure. Thanks friend for sharing
I think if you try to keep your songs to a radio friendly 2:45 to 3:45 and follow the standard verse-chorus structure with verses of about 8 measures or less, it would be pretty typical for the chorus to land around the 30-50 second mark. I took a look at the Taylor Swift-Max Martin collabs and looks like most have a chorus that starts then, but there's actually a few with choruses that only come in around the 60 second mark including Style (#1 pop radio single), Delicate and Dancing With Our Hands Tied. There's also a few songs that start with the chorus, often a more stripped down version, with a full chorus coming at about 60 seconds (Bad Blood, Don't Blame Me) or even later in the case of End Game at 85 seconds. It does seem like Taylor uses a looser structure for singles she wrote without Max. Dear John stretches it out with two verses and some instrumental sections to deliver the chorus at 1:46 min while Holy Ground impatiently races through the first verse at 200 words per minute to reach the chorus in 30 seconds
Thanks, good job! Mere-exposure (or familiarity principle) has been used for centuries by all the greats, from Bach, Vivaldi, Beethoven, Wagner and onward. It's vital to all writing, whether pop, film scoring, or obnoxious commercial jingles :) Good lesson!
Nice video. I'm aware I'm being THAT guy, but I really hope Max Martin isn't getting credit for using balance and contrast in songwriting! It's centuries old.
@@sethfry9788 is why music is dead! Smh 99%of it's written by this guy and its soooo monotone but I guess u gotta work that way when no one can sing anymore zero fkn real talent u find more in the indie scene than ever in the radio these days! So much trash
Nice video. You've also hit on why most of his songs sound the same and quickly bore the ear. There isn't much to interest the ear or challenge the mind. Take a song like MJ's "Billy Jean". It sounds simple, but unlike Martin where there's a lot of recycling, when you really listen to it, even within the standard pop construct, Quincy Jones was subtly changing and adding things through the entire song. It essentially never stops building.
Very helpful, thanks for posting this video. Some of the ideas I've been using, so that made me feel good, and some others that I'm going to try. I love your analytical approach. It seems counter-intuitive when you're creating in an art form, but it really helps.
2:35 Rule #1 Melody is King
4:16 Rule #2 Chorus within 50 seconds
5:18 Rule #3 No more than 3 to 4 parts
6:17 Rule #4 Recycle Melodic parts
8:16 Rule #5 Create Balance
9:31 Conclusion
Mahalo
agreed
Thanks for sharing! Excited to practice this!
@uhuh yes exactly.
RIP real music
speed x1.25 and it becomes a good video
Hey your right im not falling asleep now
x1.50 also fine.
man ... THANKS!
x2 is even better...
2x is weird, but totally works! :) thx.
I grew up on the music this guy wrote. And I still love pop to this day, in fact I’m currently working on being a pop producer. Yet my love for jazz and classical is still there. People who discredit pop have no idea what they’re talking about
great analysis, very helpful for songwriters! I don't want my songs to sound anything like Max Martin, but I do see a huge value in understanding the tricks and methods behind one of the "biggest" songwriters in human history. thanks for sharing :)
True to take the formula and add your own spin
This is gold man. This is rationalization done right.
You are a gifted analyzer, And you present naturally, in a welcoming way, with no falseness. A real compass, for people.searching for greatness. That missing chord.
Listened in 1.5 speed playback and it changed the video for me 💫
As usual, lovely guy, very clear explanations, amazing video animation, no click bait - this guy delivers QUALITY! And don't pay attention to people mentioning the fact that you speak slowly, they're just straight negative people, and don't have 10% of your ability to analyse songwriting.
Thanks Julien
This video was a massive help to my music technology project on Max Martin, there is not a lot of information online about his melodic math idea so this very clear video was extremely helpful. Thank you!
Thanks, I'm glad it helped you. Good luck with your project
Subbed! Your deconstructions are really great, I love what you're doing here. Keep it up!
This is invaluable, thank you! I've watched hundreds of songwriting videos, and this is one of the meatiest that I've come across. Well researched, and well explained. Subbed.
Repetition for long enough is how to manifest
Don't watch hundreds of songwriting videos
Watch a few long enough
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My man, Aragorn is writing ALL the hits these days.
Legendary! Subbed!
It's also nice to hear some of what I've naturally been doing echoed back here, but also lots of great tips I'd never thought of. I particularly liked the idea of recycling and using more simple melodies when you are using a more complex chord progression to counterbalance. Brilliant
Absolutely loved this video and found it so useful in line with what i have been looking into so far. Keep it coming if you can. Thanks
Also notice that many times the note melody that falls on the beat, is not part of the chord, but an "off note" (like 9th, 6th, 4th etc.)
This was really interesting, thank you for the research and great presentation!
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You're a lovely, listenable presenter
No he isn't, this is unbearable to watch. I'm not even homophobic but this is too much.
@Jacks yeah... no. his talking speed and ticks are absolutely cancerous
Arvo Pärt (Estonia, 1935), the most played living composer during 2011-2018, is also composing classical and religious music that is strictly governed by mathematical rules. His piece "Fratres" composed for piano and violin should instantly convince you how pattern based music can evoke very strong emotions, perhaps even stronger than arbitrary approach to making music, because human brains subconsciously pick up the signals of patterns hidden in music and therefore people like it more. This is something closely related to what Ali said about the mere-exposure effect.
Very helpful video. Thanks for posting and thank you to Sean for asking!
Thank you
amazing video. I recommend this video for any songwriter out there
Great Info! People who dont like "positive pop music" (or some may call it cheesy songs") will use the chance here to write bad comments etc but fact is the majority of people DO like music that is based on such formulars. Also, people shouldnt blame Max Martin on that because these formulars exist since hundereds of years and even Classical composers were using melodic math. Thank you for sharing such great information!
good comment. but "negative pop music" is also a thing and is just as catchy!
@@KOSMIKFEADRECORDS what song is negative pop, sir
Thank you for this information, and continue the great work.
Thanks a lot for taking the time to make this video. Subbed!
Back in the 1990s Max Martin was invited to work with Denniz Pop, in the legendary Cheiron Studio which would become one one of the world's most successful pop studios for its time. If you listen to Denniz first major hit ''Hello Africa'' by Dr Alban you'll understand what Max means with clarity. The song is very simple (instruments kept to a minimum), and you can clearly hear how instruments are gradually introduced. The chorus start exactly at 50 sec.
Thanks guy , your voice is so calming
Absolutely fascinating! Liked and subbed. Looking forward to catching up on all of this series.
Thank you for the info in this video, it really was very helpful.
What I have noticed is that there are quite a few nasty people leaving comments on your video. Ignore those people they probably don’t like themselves so I highly doubt they will like you.
Ignore the nasty comments and concentrate on the nice ones.
Thanks again for the video! 😊👍
Thanks, I'm pleased you found it helpful.
I have no problem with people sharing there opinion it's what the comments section is for. As your channel name says everyone is entitled to their opinion 😊If you're willing to be open, even the negative comments can help you to grow and improve, some of the negative comments on here I actually don't disagree with, and the ones I do doesn't make them wrong just because I disagree.
Thanks for your comment 👍
Don't get too hooked. Those rules and some more are known to many people for years, even before Max era. Even I know them and quite alot more. Yet there are so few successful songwriters. Why? Because Max is highly talented for writing melodies. That's what distinguish him from thousands guys that know same rules as he does. If there were for toolbox there would be thousands of rich songwriters. Life isn't that easy.
This!!!
Sometimes it is tho
I'm starting to think there's more to "hit" songs than just writing a good tune with good harmony.
Fame, and what becomes famous or accepted as "great" is a very interesting thing to study. The more agreement that you're 'cool' and the more attention you get, the more people value what you do, and are willing to "see" in it. Once you're noticed, mentioned, and praised by enough people, then suddenly more people are willing to listen to you, and see the good in what you did, trust what you did as "good", take advice from you, etc. and most of all give you the benefit of the doubt.
This is why McCartney's music still sells, even though he can't write a decent song anymore. If he hadn't been a Beatle, nothing he did after the break-up would have been noticed. And most people will disagree with that because they won't take into account the red carpet he was already walking on by then. They don't see how their preconceived assumptions and therefore their judgement, works. They can't really imagine him as a 'nobody' they've never heard of, and who no record company would give the time of day to, even if his stuff was pretty good. They also don't understand how the record industry worked at that time, never mind now.
Everyone wants to be on a bandwagon, and ride with a crowd, so they look for wagons to get on so they can ride with that crowd and "see" what that crowd sees.
Notice how political views are not very mixed. People who accept certain political views will more likely accept certain other ones, often without evaluating them thoroughly. That's because the people they consider to be "right" have to be right about everything else, or lose some of their credibility, which would cause them to be questioned on what they say.
I'm over 6 decades now, and have watched the music industry change so drastically, that it appears that "what makes a great song" has changed as well. I always thought there were these timeless principles & qualities to 'good music', but those qualities have all -and I mean ALL - gone out the window since the 1970s, and been replaced with other "qualities".
I seems that when the basic mentality of society changes enough, so come changes in artistic tastes.
Another observation is that musicians tend to suck in their musical tastes - they more often tend to like songs & styles that are not really all that popular with the larger masses, although there are enough people who will buy those records to keep a band making a living. But they don't have the mass appeal that other types of music do. You will never convince one of those musicians that this is the case of course, because they "know" for sure what is good and what isn't. But they can't write big mass appeal hits....for some reason. They keep writing the stuff THEY think is good, and wonder why it's not a massive hit.
So at least 1 of my theories on why it's so hard to write a hit is that the people who write songs - musicians - tend to have "off-ish" tastes, and of course write stuff that appeals to them, not to the majority of people, i.e non-musicians.
@Bike thanks! I almost deleted that after finishing it, feeling sure no one would read it anyway, because it's too long. And the average person would probably see it as pointless rambling about nothing. ;)
@@jameseverett4976 I think you are on to something James. Sadly, you are right about Maca, and I worship the Beatles.
Thank you for the information :) Rule #1: 2:36, rule #2: 4:17, rule #3: 5:19, rule #4: 6:17, rule #5: 8:16
Thank you for this great information it has really help me developed my song writing. Continue the great work.
Max Martin is a phenom, and your vid really shows a glimpse into why! Great stuff!
Very interesting video: it's all about finding the balance between repetition without getting boring or surprise without loosing the listener. The 1 2 3 rule fits this (2 repetitions of a pattern before having the 3rd slightly modified)
Brilliant video. Thanks so much!
I'd welcome info about the grid disply of melodies as shown at 8:00 in the video. It looks like 1/8th note resolution in time. But 6 levels in pitch. Does this imply Max's melodies don't use any 1/16th note timing? How is the pitch represented as a starting level? for bigger pitch changes than 6 levels? Is there a name for such grid notation? Thank you for the very interesting video.
I've been doing melodic math without knowing I was doing it. Example in my song The Way I Is (iTunes, Spotify, Amazon) verse:
I'm a black boy in a white world (8syllables) so I had to change my name to get this song heard (12 syllables)
It's Njabulo say it right ho (8 syllables) now I'm Charlie Manner tearing up the dance flo' (12 syllables)
I have Asperger's so I always do my best to make my lyrics fit the syllable count. I also do my best to make the middle and end words rhyme. With the chorus melody takes the lead. I make it as simple as possible, very similar to a nursery rhyme. And, I've noticed that with this method, people always end up humming the chorus after the 1st listen.
This is great, thank you!
Wow mate. Ive been doing wierd music for a long time started with electronic then got into composition and now I want to learn how to make more normal and approachable stuff. This channel seems to be great for me. you got mu sub.
Thanks for this!! Great to look at techniques like this, practice emulating them and then blend the parts I like into my own style!
We all got where we are by emulating others, from the basics of learning how to crawl then walk as a baby (we saw adults do the walking first). I am not sure anyone just created a song without hearing other songs first, which they ultimately emulated, just look at the classical music era.
Highly Superb Info Mate! Cheers!!
What is the name of this type of identification that is made of the melody of parts A, B, C ...? Shown instantly ---> 3:50
Do you have any original songs we can listen to?
Thanks ! In a recent interview he also revealed that one basic principle he follows is what he calls "The Prince Theory" - unfortunately the interviewer interrupted him way too early, but this is what i took away: Apparently in a lot of Prince songs either the melody or the chords in the verse are actually the same as in the chorus. He said Prince would tease the chorus already in the verse this way. Funny as i'm a huge Prince fan but i never noticed that. My own addition when it comes to Prince would be that in a lot of songs he uses a primary (instrumental) hook, supported by a secondary hook that gets introduced later in the song. This way he manages to keep the interest of the listener without repeatin the same thing over and over again.
Very true indeed! I actually spent time working with Prince at Paisley Park in 2013. Sometimes Prince has a formula but most times he just picks up whatever instrument is within reach and just jams out. Once he figures he has something that works, he starts calling in the band (3rd Eye girl) to teach the parts one at at time. Once completed, then I would get the signal from him to mic him up and start recording. Checkout the song "Another Love" from him when you get a chance, It is a perfect example of the process mentioned.
That's very cool I got more out of it this time. It seems as my keyboard skills improve so does my ability to understand song structure. Thanks friend for sharing
You are awesome for making these videos. Thank you!
I think if you try to keep your songs to a radio friendly 2:45 to 3:45 and follow the standard verse-chorus structure with verses of about 8 measures or less, it would be pretty typical for the chorus to land around the 30-50 second mark.
I took a look at the Taylor Swift-Max Martin collabs and looks like most have a chorus that starts then, but there's actually a few with choruses that only come in around the 60 second mark including Style (#1 pop radio single), Delicate and Dancing With Our Hands Tied.
There's also a few songs that start with the chorus, often a more stripped down version, with a full chorus coming at about 60 seconds (Bad Blood, Don't Blame Me) or even later in the case of End Game at 85 seconds.
It does seem like Taylor uses a looser structure for singles she wrote without Max. Dear John stretches it out with two verses and some instrumental sections to deliver the chorus at 1:46 min while Holy Ground impatiently races through the first verse at 200 words per minute to reach the chorus in 30 seconds
Thank you very much for this information; and also you have a lovely voice! 😀
Memorizing these methods and keeping them in mind when writing songs would be a great tool to have!
Bro, youve got no idea how this has helped me. God bless you my friend! Thank you so very much!
Thank you so much for your comment, I'm glad it was helpful to you.
Now we need to take what we've learned and actually do something creative with it!
I'm getting charged up to quote in elegiacs all the crimes of Heliogabalus.
Great Video, crazy amount of value in this. Thank you.
Recommend watching this at 1.5x speed
What is the name of this type of identification that is made of the melody of parts A, B, C ...? Shown instantly ---> 3:50
It made it so much easier!
Jose LMM Can you rephrase that question Jose
@@LivingUnlabeled thanks but i already found the answer.
thank you - I can understand what you are saying and it all makes sense - thanks again
No problem, so glad it helped you
Very informative video mate. Great stuff, keep it up!
Hey man, that was super helpful, thank you so much!
No problem. Glad it helped!
This was a really good video. I subscribed!
Loved this video!
Thank you!!
thorough analysis thank you
Great video. I like the speed at which you talk just fine, don't listen to the idiots in the comments section.
Pure gold! Thanks for making this!
You have no idea what you've done, you're helping me so much right now thank you 🙏🙏🙏
intro startled me but great video!!! Big ups !
Thanks a lot. You put into words what I only felt intuitively. Very useful!
Nice toolbox lesson & direct presentation, thanks!
Your video is awesome and full of treasure information. Thanks
Thank you
Super useful & really easy to digest, thanks Ali!
Thank you for the video fam! Very informational! :D
Melodic Math, interesting, I'm glad I watched this video! Thank you
this was magnificent! thanks for taking the time
Great job!. Liked this and subscribed.
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Excellent video 👍
This was very insightful. Thank you!
Thanks, good job! Mere-exposure (or familiarity principle) has been used for centuries by all the greats, from Bach, Vivaldi, Beethoven, Wagner and onward. It's vital to all writing, whether pop, film scoring, or obnoxious commercial jingles :) Good lesson!
Great channel, keep it coming!!
Good stuff, so little we know about max but we all look up to him & how prolific he is
What is the average duration (in minutes) of the songs that compose Max Martin???
Absolutely Amazing, what a wonderful episode.
I hope you still reply. When he says 3-4 melodic parts per song is that instruments only or does that include the vocals?
Awesome content man ! Keep it up :)
12:52 what is the name of this method of melody representation?
Great video! Thank you brother!
This was so helpful....Thank you so much.
Nice video. I'm aware I'm being THAT guy, but I really hope Max Martin isn't getting credit for using balance and contrast in songwriting! It's centuries old.
Eye Write Daily, what's funny is that he never does that. He uses compression to make everything the same. No contrast.
There's literally nothing on here that is a revelation. These are all well-known song writing tactics.
@@sethfry9788 is why music is dead! Smh 99%of it's written by this guy and its soooo monotone but I guess u gotta work that way when no one can sing anymore zero fkn real talent u find more in the indie scene than ever in the radio these days! So much trash
Nice video. You've also hit on why most of his songs sound the same and quickly bore the ear. There isn't much to interest the ear or challenge the mind.
Take a song like MJ's "Billy Jean". It sounds simple, but unlike Martin where there's a lot of recycling, when you really listen to it, even within the standard pop construct, Quincy Jones was subtly changing and adding things through the entire song. It essentially never stops building.
Thank you very much for this information. Really great visual aids.
Thank you! This was great, I appreciate it :)
Incredible video thank you
Thank you so much continue your good work bro.
Is it applicable for edm and house music??
This is such a great video. Very informative.
You just made him sober and listenable
Very helpful, thanks for posting this video. Some of the ideas I've been using, so that made me feel good, and some others that I'm going to try. I love your analytical approach. It seems counter-intuitive when you're creating in an art form, but it really helps.
ive been writing like this for years but thats because i have extreme OCD and one of my obsessions is numbers so im obsessed with music theory
You really blessed people. I don't think they know how much gold you've given out.
Thanks so much, I really appreciate that
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Awesome information. Max Martin is a machine!
thank you so much for all this information, good vibes for you!
Just popped out of my head - Trance Blues has used this repeating melodic idea since....I don't know when.
Great lesson!
Really dug this video, always been huge MM fan. We write our songs with a lot of inspiration from Max Martin. Subbed!
Thanks for your comment. Really appreciate it
Tip for presenter: Take your spoken presentation and speed it up to 1.25X in the edit program to keep the energy up
You're adorable. Thank you for all the knowledge. Keep going!
I agree very thankful for the work and research that this guy has done
Fantastic content man, much appreciated!