The Pictish Battle of Bannockburn.... Dun Nechtain
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- The Battle of Bannockburn is a seminal event in Scottish history, but the Picts faced their own Bannockburn at Dun Nechtain or Nechtainsmere. Scottish history tour guide Bruce Fummey looks at the parallels between these two defining battles in Scottish history
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Did Robert the Bruce win independence at Bannockburn? th-cam.com/video/rEM2EzexUpE/w-d-xo.html
In one of your videos, you claimed King Arthur was Scottish, That would be like saying Queen Boudica was English. The English and the Scots were invaders that displaced the native Brittonic peoples. You could claim that he may have been Cumbrian, who were closer related to the Welsh, Cornish and Bretons, not the Scot Gaels.
Anyway I still enjoy the channel, that was just a bone I wanted to pick.
R. the Bruce was three generations from the Normans that David 1st brought up from England to subdue the native Scots, there was hardly a drop of Scots blood in his veins. He and his father changed sides several times and in all likelihood if he hadn't murdered Comyn he would have stayed on the English side. Bannockburn was Scots led by Normans fighting English led by Normans. We never got our independence, we got a Norman take over - and their descendants went back in with their cousins in 1707. Traitors, just like wee Krankie who wants to sell us out to the EU.
@@fredgillespie5855 I'd never heard a Scottish version of "the Norman yoke" until your comment... I thought that was an English romanticism. Why does it matter if an aristocratic overlord is Norman, Angle, Briton, Scot or Pict? Are borders not just echoes from the shoulders of rival tyrannies rubbing up against each other? Scottish nationality, English nationality, are simplistic myths which have become fact due to habit... the truth of culture is that it's transient, and it's ours for the creating
Depends on how you see it. He managed to secure relative peace for two decades, but Scotland didn't become independent after Bannockburn.
Scottish nobles gave into the Declaration of Arbroath and the pope recognized Robert the Bruce as Scotland's rightful ruler, but Edward II never recognized it as an independent nation. It wasn't until his son, Edward III, came to power that a peace treaty was drafted. The problem was that it was made in Edward's name and he was far from pleased with this and aided the English mangnates known as The Disinherited in invading Scotland, putting an English puppet on the scottish throne.
It wasn't until 1338 that Edward III was forced to strike a truce with Scotland because of the Hundred Years War. Robert the Bruce won a temporary truce but never true independence.
Re: previous comment, ... Sorry Bruce, Id had a few, drunkenness+altruism=🤷♂️🤦🤢🤮😬
As an American I have learned more about Scotland and its people and history than I ever did in any history class. Thank you Bruce
You're welcome
It is sad that the Pictish language and culture has disappeared , almost without trace. It is also sad that the old Bythronic and Norn languages have also gone extinct. Let us hope that Gaelic and Scots can survive, but we must, as a nation, work hard to make sure that they do.
Something needs to be done
Cornish is being revived !
Brittany is just South Cornwall
What was 'Pictish language' was planted within what became the Albannach (Scottish) language, because it didn't have a written system, it was a mostly vocal language with oral traditions, with some basic hieroglyphic meanings, many words in the Albannach language are actually Pictish era words.
Scotland's own name within the language of Albannach is 'Alba' - and that name is also the same name that the Hiberni scholars of 'The Annals of the Four Masters' referred to as the name of the old Pict era Kingdom in Scotland, which is still officially used to this day.
Alba is also etymologically directly related to the island of Great Britain's oldest and most ancient name - Albion.
@steve Aaron Wow , it makes a lot of sense than the Picts and the Norse had a kinship . At the time the Pictish empire was coming under attack from the Gaels & Scots & Angles , 'The Vikings' came and attacked and conquered the entire Western seaboard of 'Scotland' , whilst 'Pictland and the east coast region from Aberdeen to Edinburgh did not seem to suffer anywhere near the same level of Norse subjugation which befell the west and north of Scotland . Could that be because the Norse considered the Picts their own people and instead attacked their enemies ? Sounds reasonable to me .
@@johnjiv5790 The early peoples of Scotland at different all fought against, and allied with, each other. Most of their ruling families had dynastic marriages with princesses from the different kingdoms so most were related in some way. There is a record of a very big battle between the Norse and the Picts, during which most of the Pictish rulers died, which happened a few years before the establishment of the combined Gaelic/Pictish kingdom, i.e. Alba. It might have been this huge defeat for the Picts at the hands of the Norse which ultimately led to the formation of modern Scotland.
I'm on an absolute binge of ur videos right now. What a find. Super informative. Delivered with the perfect blend of humour and sincerity. I can't believe content this good isn't on TV. Please keep them coming 🏴
Welcome aboard!
After a recent trip to Arbroath abbey (I had no idea!), born and bred Dundonian as well, I have become obsessed with Scottish history and your videos have really helped me build a foundation to learn on. I am going round visiting all the Pictish sites in Angus and beyond. Thank you so much!
Brilliant. Thanks so much
Love the way you explain Scottish history teachers should take a page out of your book more interesting than be bombarded with dates and places
history doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes
Like poetry.
I am a proud Scot, despite the surname (1/8th migrant Welsh steel worker). I wish I had studied history instead of geography at school and developed an interest in Scots history in the detail that you go into, Bruce. It’s an absolutely fascinating side so wonderfully displayed by your beautiful language and infectious enthusiasm. I loved geography, but it’s of little use now except Trivial Pursuit. At my advanced age, I can still feel a burning interest in the history of the land of my birth. Gaun’ yersel’. Magic, man.
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Proud Welsh-Hebridean (despite the name) ;) my “Mam” being Welsh and my Dad, Hebridean. :)
I love these videos!!!!❤❤❤ you make it so much more interesting. Ty!!
Ah thanks
Yet another interesting story about the history of our land told by the master 🌞
All I ever learned about the Picts was that they used wode to paint their faces blue for battle and the fought everyone around them. That was it. Thank you for filling in an awful lot of gaps.
@steve Aaron ... and they thought the bagpipes were scary enough!!!
@@margaretnicol3423 Isatis tinctoria, known as woad, not "wode". The ancient Britons were called the Pretani, "the painted ones" or "the tattooed folk". Picti is of a similar etymology, though their language lost, it was thought to be closely related to Brythonic. The southern Pretani "British" tribes fought the Romans in open pitched field battles and were conquered because of it, where as the Picts would use hit and run gorilla tactics in a rough terrain the Romans were not familiar with. Its a shame their civilization faded out and was absorbed by the Scot Gaels as they were considered the last native Celto-British culture uncontaminated by foreign influence. Their cousins to the south, the Romanized Britons invited Germanic mercenaries to help defend against raiding Pict war bands and Gaelic pirates. This is what led to the Anglo Saxon invasion, which pushed the Britons in to Wales, Cornwall, Britany and Alt Clut, later known as Strathclyde.
@@J.R.Penrice If you knew how long ago it was that I heard the word 'woad' you'd be impressed that I remembered it at all! :-D I knew there was a reason I liked the Picts although most folk I know tend to say ''who?''.
The predecessors of the Picts, who fought the Romans, may have had painted faces with some fighting naked. But by the 7th, 8th, 9th centuries they would have been using miltary equipment and tactics very similar to all the other peoples in northern Britain. They must have done this or otherwise they would not have survived for as long as they did.
@steve Aaron "Kit" or "kilt"? I NEED to know!
Brilliant as always Bruce and fun too as this as you know is an important ingredient in great education.
Absolutely
@@ScotlandHistoryTours I visited Dunnichen in 1986 when it was accepted as the battle site.
Hopefully with more metal detectorists and remote sensing we can pin down more of these lost battles.
Could listen to you all day. You need to be in TV man
Highly Informative,,And always entertaining,,Thanks Bruce😇
Sir Fummey, merci. I have a passion for the Picts, my hols always include a pictish trail and absolutely loved the Aberlemno stones. What an amazing parallel with Bannockburn indeed, thanks for opening my eyes.! Plus ça change... Gave me a giggle 😂 now if one day we have time for a proper chat, not just at the of your show when you're knackered and highly dehydrated, I'll tell you a story about how the Picts really looked like and that's a highly incredible one! Thank you 🐸
Scotland looks so beautiful and green. My grandparents were all from France, but I might be seen in Scotland first. Thanks to your videos I feel like I have learned so much more human history, which affects us all.
Brilliant
I remember reading that some historians have linked some of the Barbarian tribes on what is now Germany and the Picts. Painting themselves prior to battle, some of the Barbaric tribes used black paint and the picts used blue.
I've said before, but you sir are just brilliant. One of the best story tellers around. I have yet to not enjoy your stories. Your timing ,cadence and tone make everything better. Making me engaged and not feeling foolish for not knowing.
Wow, thank you!
@@ScotlandHistoryTours No thank you Bruce your the one doing the work. But I do enjoy the fruit there of .
Brilliant, as always. It seems we people never learn from history - even in societies that take it seriously.
Brilliant presentation Bruce as always and fun too, an important ingredient in great education. Greetings from Stirling!
I love that you cite popular sources of different stories!!
From an Australian who loves history. On ya Bruce love your show🇦🇺
St Vigeans which is near the stones you were at has a small museum which houses about 40 pictish stones inside.
They were all found in the village area. It's well worth a look.
Why were the stones move indoors? Gods save us from archeologists, the original location of the stones is important.
@@cynhanrahan4012 they’re quite often put into the original locations over the summer months. However, with the rain in Scotland - it contains a higher level of acidic properties then rain elsewhere, so Archeological finds are less often in Scotland. A lot of the stones that have been found have had to be repaired in some way to preserve the carvings.
Was there any battles between Dal Riata and Pictland?
Being a Reed Lichtie the mere mention o a bridie has made me want one. I will have to stock up on then when next back in Angus
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History is always fascinating, but I often find the history behind the history even more interesting.
Very few books/textbooks ever talk about events and people before the 2nd millennium, and when they do it's usually a footnote.
Thank you, Bruce, for bringing these unsung events and people into the light. And keeping it entertaining to boot.
You're welcome
Another informative and well-produced video. Your work also reveals the complexity of nation-building, a process that many of us don’t sufficiently appreciate.
What an absolute legend, why are you not on TV man, the wee bit of gaelic at the end, pure class!
I taught my son about Robert the Bruce after the movie Braveheart came out. He was excited about what he learned about his ancestors & tried to talk to his 4th grade teacher about what he had learned. She scolded him & told him he couldn't possibly be related to Robert the Bruce because he was a made up character for a story. Gotta love public education in the US.
Deary, deary, me. 🙄 I hope that this has put your son off researching the truth. 👍
@@euansmith3699 It was one of the best lessons he ever learned. We drummed into him to question authority & to apply critical thinking skills. This teacher exemplified why that is necessary.
@@gardener5857 Good on you 👍👍👍
@@euansmith3699 Thank you.
There is plenty of mythology taught in American history, not surprized of that teacher's ignorance...
Bruce you are an absolute delight ser. The manner in which you tell your stories are fantastic and addictive.
I'm fascinated by the later Picts. Knowing that certain words we use and Locations in Scotland today are taken from that lost language is both sad and enthralling.
What is sad is the the growing tendency to add Gaelic names to signs and place names that are clearly Pict in origin. The irony of the Gaelic language being used to slowly eradicate a more ancient one is palpable.
excellent
Thanks again Bruce for honest & own to earth approach! & Keeping Our Ancestors Voice Alive! So much too tell! 🔥 Blessed be
Thank you again Bruce for an excellent Scottish history presentation! Makes it understandable to even this American. Your stories inspired me to the point that I named my Bernedoodle puppy Fergus. Keep up the good work!
damnit Bruce, when you yelled freedom you scared the crap out of me so much i spilled my coffee...damnit! xD
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Love it 👍
This channel is brilliant, love the way Bruce tells the stories. Watched all and liked every TH-cam vid he has made. Brilliant the way he tells the history of Scotland
Great video, enjoyed that. I was just looking at stuff on the Battle of the Two Rivers and one of the possible locations mentioned is Grangemouth (just down the road from me), and the rivers being the Forth and the Carron. That would certainly give the Kelpies some extra significance. The Avon is a good possibility too, as you said.
Oh wow. What a fantastic day/s for filming. The weather is just beautiful.
Sun always shines here😎
Watching this video at 2:30am. FREEDOM! Scared the doodoo out of me as I started drifting off. Lol Not because the video was putting me to sleep, but the early morning hour was taking it's toll. 🤗🖖💕💕💕
So interesting, thank you!
Bruce again another great story...but I need a shirt like the one you have!
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Just stumbled across your channel, this is fantastic stuff, love it!
As always, informative and entertaining. 👍
History at every turn! Such a fascinating video.
That was good man! I like these stories about the lesser known early medieval history 👍
Oh! Good work my friend. This is a subject/theme i love and you are a good story teller.
Thanks from Sweden.
Top marks as always. I always read Bredei as Bridie to myself. Silly but funny. 😁👍
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Ahh Bruce! I love how history repeats itself. cheers from Wisconsin!
Love your Enthusiasm for the History
exciting... I read Scott and Stevenson and your narration is fascinating
Well Alrighty then. !! I`m so pleased you came full circle on this intriguing chapter of Scottish history. As ever, thanks so much Bruce.
That was well done! Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Bruce, Not having heard of this part of history, I greatly appreciated your video. Sincerely
Another excellent video. Love how you weave the opening into the whole video.
I try😎
As always, excellent content!🙂
I appreciate that
Awesome content mate.
Much appreciated
Very informative and entertaining Bruce.
Glad you think so!
Hello Bruce. You really are one of the best to watch on TH-cam.
I am from Yorkshire and always liked the way the Scottish stood up for their country, but I think this is from childhood and reading Kidnapped with a hero called Alan and not the infamous comparison on Nationwide.
I think of Danelaw as my area's past and these Angles as more a part of Scottish history, like you had said previously they became Lowlanders who spoke Scots.
I grew up in Bradford and always felt more in common with those north of the border than the southern sassenach part of my own country (you might have heard this somewhere before from someone who got some stick in previous comments).
I reckon it would be good if you did more excursions to other bits of these islands, like you did to Lindisfarne. After all the Jacobites did not stop at Gretna Green, nor did the Guards at Coldstream. There was also the invasion of Ireland in The Bruce's time.
Did you ever watch History with Hilbert who looked at many of these topics?
The first person I met at university was there to study what you taught, Physics. He will soon be running the climate conference in Glasgow. Any thoughts for a video to go with that?
Aye you're trying to take me into areas away from the channel's focus there. I did a video down in Durham about the Battle of Neville's Cross though
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Yes I suppose I am. Other presenters who do such a good job are rare. When one channel is popular, but defined in scope, it is not unknown for them to create another channel so they can reach an even wider audience. You Scots always were at the forefront of new ideas and opportunities and never shy about it.
Thank you again.
You're welcome
Thanks for that education Bruce, shall be watched again ;)
Regards & best wishes to you and Family from an old Roman Town in East Dunbartonshire.
Many thanks!
Your videos are very interesting, informative and enjoyable. Thank you Bruce. I'm from the Midlands... of America!
The idea of ghost of Longshanks rising from the grave to inspire internet sh@tposters is hilarious to me.
I am not Scottish, but I play the bagpipes. I am grateful for these instructive videos on Scotland, a land whose history, culture, and future are important to me for some reason I could not explain. Thank you. I learned something today.
Many thanks!
Outstanding
This is just about the only video on this battle that I’ve ever found on TH-cam. Thanks for covering it!
Glad you enjoyed it!
You’re a great story teller. Very informative! Many thanks
My pleasure!
You are spot on is paralleling this battle with Bannockburn, but who the Hell in Scotland knows about it? Gey few.
...an they're a' deid
@@ScotlandHistoryTours 'cept you and me, you latter-day Plutarch.
Thanks Bruce for another interesting and enjoyable story .
My pleasure
If I understand this right, those who would become the Scots were having issues with those who would become the English. Now the proto English thought they had all the angles covered and set out to crush the proto Scots. The proto Scots consolidated in the highlands and the proto English followed them into the highlands. Bad for them as the Angles found their bones Pict clean by the proto Scots in battle.
That's about right😜
Aww when were you in aberlemno, would of been great to see you. Have told many tourists about that story in the stones when walking my dog past them, is alot of different interpretations about it and if you Didn't know in the village hall there is a mini museum with lots of pictish information and carved stones. Anyway good video and was interesting hearing your take of the story. Thanks for sharing about it.
I could watch all your videos! I love Scottish history, and the connection for many of us to a much longer past. Thanks so much!
Glad you like them!
Effing love this channel...one of the best here.
Yay
Now I totally want a jacket like that.
Groovy eh
Bruce..you have heard this before ..however i must say..for me...i appreciate your channel i learn something every time i visit your channel ,learn information i can hand down by directing people in my family to your family
OMG, you are so good at this, especially integrating some comedy into your videos. It’s educational AND entertaining.
Wow, thank you!
All your videos are good, but this one was stonkingly excellent. I really enjoyed that. Thank you.
Wow, thank you!
Thank you.
You're welcome!
Thank you Bruce. What beautiful stones and locations. I dig the Picts.
Thanks 👍
Watched a lot of your videos , all good , as a Yorkshireman who chose to live in Scotland it's great to get an accurate view of history . I've never had the chance to learn Gaelic and would be interested to know what the words are you say at the end of every video .
"But I decided to prioritize historical accuracy over effective marketing." YAY! This is what I'm here for.
I've just recently started watching your videos. I think they're great and enjoy them. You're a great storyteller! I just have one question....you may have explained it in a pryor video (which i haven't found yet). What are you saying at the end of your stories. My grandmother was a McKee, and her side of the family came from Scotland. I hope someday I can make it there to see for myself. Thank you.
not easy walking on the pebbles ,thanks for this one all new info for me 🙂
Love this channel its amazing what you don't know about your own country ❤
Thank you so much 😀
Would love to see a video on the Battle of St. Monans 😊
I'll log that request
Theres so much film material here.. Fights.. Stabbing and All the ingrediens a film director needs 👑🌹
True
"Nobody has seen a Pict in a thousand years."
"CAUSE THEY DINNAE WANT TAE BE SEEN!!!"
A bit like GPs .
Hidin in plain sight!
And to think they claimed to have sailed from Scythia. Clearly they came from northern Vietnam.
dude u one of best history voices i hear. GJ
Love that sweater/jumper 😻👏🏽
It's good to see things, from different angles mate 😉❤🏴
Oooft
Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. I love all your explanations of Scottish history. Well done, well done. My wife's family is from Glasgow, now I better understand their rather disagreeable temperament.
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Love the vids! Great listening to stories about my father's ancestors
Holy crap Bruce how did I miss this one... We were at that very spot!!!! Hahaha
Love Pictish content!
Another superb video, Bruce! I think that you are gradually filling in all the gaps in our own historical knowledge of the nation. And the great thing is, it’s never about you; always about us- Scotland. There’s a massive difference in the humble way you go about your job, when compared to some others, whose programming apparently must include a clause with quotas for clips of them in the footage. And yer patter’s braw tae 🤣👍🏴
As I always say... Scotland's the star
The Earl of Cromartie, states in his Treatise on Scottish History (which he started writing as a P.O.W.) that the Picts came from the Swabian area of southern Germany (northern slopes of the Alps).
He continues ,stating they did not mix with others and maintained the higher grounds in Scotland.
We know from Tacitus and others, they coloured their bodies and wore the Swabian knot hairstyle.
Fife and the Black Isle were some of areas they inhabited (both forms of peninsula).
I believe one very strong confirmation of their history was shown categorically in the tv programmes on the ‘ the man in the Ice’, Otzi. He also was found to have coloured his body and had the Swabian knot hairstyle.
Very interesting young grasshopper, 🤔😉
So thank full you did this, been so interested in the Pics. Whenever I looked into the Pic's, and when I lived in Scotland no information was available. Where did the Pics come from/or are the Indigenous like Sioux, Cherokee, Black Foot, etc? Do we have a clue into, or know what their language sounds like? The only movie that has briefly gone into them is The Eagle. Great content as always
Historian and fashion icon
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the part on 5:38 had me cracking up for 5 minutes !!!!!!! hahah you are the best ! greetings from north of Boston Alba Gu brath !
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5:26 I was right, you Scots do say "plus ça change" 😂😂😂 Thank you for a fascinating and entertaining video. You put so much effort in to making these videos, and it really shows.
He's probably a Rush fan!
Thank you for another fascinating episode of ancient Scotland. I am curious if this was the Battle of the Picts in which Guinivere wife of Arthur (that manny that was killed in Battle before he had a chance to become king, but who's father was a friend of a druidic politician called Merlin from Strathclyde.Ref Finding Merlin and Finding Arthur by Adam Ardery. Nothing to do with a guy who lived in place called Camellot who cannot be traced in either English or Welsh historical records) was killed before being buried on Christian ground at the church in Meigle? Ref The Sidlaw Hills by David Dorward.
Hi Bruce, another brilliant video thanks. You made me think tho. Sent you an email with maps about a possible alternative route and battle site as the main route to the Highlands pre 18th C was not Drumochter. There's a cracking site for a battle...
Aye, I got it this morning. I'm no going back to re-film it though😜
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Haha, thanks, no worries. Wasn't suggesting that, especially as its such a long lonely route in. Makes me curious tho if anyone has ever done any digging there. Might be nothing re Nechtansmere, but it's one hell of a place if you're up that way again.
@@ScotlandHistoryTours there's also apparently a story at Gaick Lodge about "The Curse of Walter Comyn". No idea what that's about.
Drumochter is the the obvious route to Fortriu. It was a drovers road long before Wade's Military Road was built, and James Fraser has suggested that Atholl derives from a Pictish *Athochlach meaning "Way to the North".
@@davidlloyd3243 my thinking is different- looking at the OS Map of Ancient Britain, heading north with an army and no forth bridges, theyd need to go west and that aligns them to cross glen Garry about Dalnacardoch. If you wanted to ambush an army, you couldn't find a better place than the Gaick pass.