hmmm, in theorie, Thrawn would not need a telepatic link, since Spacestations have a somewhat known orbit, he could fire a low power Laserblast at the station "to knock" and give the signal to execute the predeterment orders
Well the cloaking shield, as it was described in the books, I believe would have blocked lasers too, at least communications lasers. However they could have simple floated a small physical relay on a cable outside the shield. Said relay would show up on scanners as little more than a tiny speck of space junk, but it would have allowed Thrawn to easily communicate with the station.
@@DIEGhostfish yeah, i mean the Weapons in Star Wars only called "Lasers", but are more like "Tibanna Gas Plasmacannons". Actually is this type of Cloaking Device one of the more "realistic" since metamaterials would also bend electromagnetic waves around an object, but for the whole spectrum and in shield form
I'd enjoy if Corey would do some what-if videos like this too. He doesn't seem to be interested though. Personally I think that if there had been a living clone, as Luke and Mara suspected was possible, I can't see him not having been involved during the Vong War. And I absolutely think he would have intervened to aid the New Republic - right at the time when the NR and Imperial Remnant teamed up to defend Ithor. We know that Thrawn knew the Vong were coming, it's the reason he made his own faction to begin with. It's also possible however that the clone might not have been perfect. Said clone might have not been even close to as skilled as Thrawn himself was. A bunch of books have characters questioning how close to the original you could get. Even if he had the skills, his motivations may have been different. If we take C'Baoth's clone, or the Fel Clones who were active during the Caamas Crisis as examples, C'Baoth's memories were unstable and his personality erratic. The Fel clones were stable, and had the needed flying skills, but ended up not wanting to return to service. A Thrawn Clone may have resented inheriting Thrawn's self imposed goals and instead chosen a more selfish path.
@@thedatatreader Probably. Certainly more dangerous. Although that's not what I would expect of said clone. I think a more selfish Thrawn clone would tell the galaxy to deal with its own problems and go off somewhere to live its own life.
@@heavyarms55 This is true, considering that the Vong are just interested in taking over their part of the galaxy. Thrawn wouldn't even have to do anything to take over, just wait for them to do it.
It never bothered me that Thrawn never used this during his campaign. It could have been something as simple as it wasn't actually meant for Bilbringi but some other plan he had in the works. And that plan died with him. I agree that one of his few weaknesses was his lack of trust in his own staff. But I think we can attribute that to a couple key points. Thrawn wasn't truly loyal to the Empire anyway, and he had to know full well how badly the Empire had fractured and how many resources were being wasted in internal Imperial in-fighting. He may have intended to send that station back to his allies in the unknown regions. And thus not revealed it to his Imperial subordinates so they wouldn't learn things about him that he did not want them knowing.
Oh yeah the star forge is on top for me... What was the battle of Jabiim? I've read all but 3 of the novels and am working through the comics and I don't think I've heard of that one
Was Pellaeon definitely unaware? Even if he didn't know Thrawn's exact plan(s), I seem to recall he often oversees parts of the plan such as the logistics, and this doesn't seem like that a big of a secret unlike for instance the Hand of Thrawn. Maybe Pellaeon knew of its presence and location at Bilbringi, but was simply unable to use it or retrieve it at any time after Thrawn's death.
If he did know then he probably would have brought it up when planning the battle it was ultimately used at- he was one of the commanders for that planned battle, along with Wedge.
Great video again Corey. I have one small nitpick though. I think Thrawn not informing his staff on some of his assets and plans isn't necessarily a weakness. Since if you reveal too much New Republic spies may pick up that info and at times ruin the element of surprise. It's a double edged sword.
it's a tradeoff, it can help, if there are spies in your midst, but it's a commander's duty to inform their subordinate officers of their plans. If the plan fails due to miscommunication caused by keeping parts secret, then it could be argued that that was a grave mistake. Also, keeping plans secret from one's subordinates lessens their trust in their commander, lowering vertical cohesion within the unit, and cohesion within a military unit is key to high performance. Which is one of the reasons that organisation should not be overlooked in warfare since morale, discipline and unit performance is just as important as good tactics, strategies, scouting, logistics, etc. If one fails at any of these fronts, their army will most likely fail. if anyone argues that one of these outweighs all others, they are, in my opinion, misinformed. All are, pretty much, equally important, and failing, in any of those categories will, most likely, net you defeat in war.
I thought the lore went back and forth on the Thrawn cloaking devices they worked LIKE a Hibridium cloak (Double blind) but didn't actually require hibridium.
Technical details like that are always pretty vague in SW. In the actual books, they talk about this cloaking shield like it was the first truly functional shield around. Even though the TIE Phantom and other devices had existed. It's just cause of how the books and comics and games were never made in in-universe order.
@@heavyarms55 They later explained it was the first one that didn't require Stygium and didn't burn out Hibridium (Depending on the source that meant it either didn't USE Hibridium or didn't burn it up the way earlier Hibridium cloaks and all Stygium cloaks did)
In the actual lore, the Empress wasn't that impressive. Corey and the TR developers simply needed a larger battle station to give the New Republic and beefed up the Empress for that roll, instead of making one up from scratch.
But… it was so artistically done.
@Trey Stephens they don’t care about their fans either I don’t think
hmmm, in theorie, Thrawn would not need a telepatic link, since Spacestations have a somewhat known orbit, he could fire a low power Laserblast at the station "to knock" and give the signal to execute the predeterment orders
That's a good point (At first I thought you meant a communications laser beam, which the cloak would have stopped, but the blast would have worked.
Well the cloaking shield, as it was described in the books, I believe would have blocked lasers too, at least communications lasers. However they could have simple floated a small physical relay on a cable outside the shield. Said relay would show up on scanners as little more than a tiny speck of space junk, but it would have allowed Thrawn to easily communicate with the station.
@@heavyarms55 Would have blocked comms lasers definitely but not a bolt.
@@DIEGhostfish yeah, i mean the Weapons in Star Wars only called "Lasers", but are more like "Tibanna Gas Plasmacannons".
Actually is this type of Cloaking Device one of the more "realistic" since metamaterials would also bend electromagnetic waves around an object, but for the whole spectrum and in shield form
How about a video on if Thrawn or his Clone had been alive during the Vong invasion or the One Sith?
Luke and Mara theorize that the one under the Hjarnastone Hand wasn't the only clone and one DID lead the Chiss in secret.
I'd enjoy if Corey would do some what-if videos like this too. He doesn't seem to be interested though.
Personally I think that if there had been a living clone, as Luke and Mara suspected was possible, I can't see him not having been involved during the Vong War. And I absolutely think he would have intervened to aid the New Republic - right at the time when the NR and Imperial Remnant teamed up to defend Ithor. We know that Thrawn knew the Vong were coming, it's the reason he made his own faction to begin with.
It's also possible however that the clone might not have been perfect. Said clone might have not been even close to as skilled as Thrawn himself was. A bunch of books have characters questioning how close to the original you could get. Even if he had the skills, his motivations may have been different.
If we take C'Baoth's clone, or the Fel Clones who were active during the Caamas Crisis as examples, C'Baoth's memories were unstable and his personality erratic. The Fel clones were stable, and had the needed flying skills, but ended up not wanting to return to service. A Thrawn Clone may have resented inheriting Thrawn's self imposed goals and instead chosen a more selfish path.
@@heavyarms55 A more selfish Thrawn IE a pirate or warlord would be absolutely unstoppable..
@@thedatatreader Probably. Certainly more dangerous. Although that's not what I would expect of said clone. I think a more selfish Thrawn clone would tell the galaxy to deal with its own problems and go off somewhere to live its own life.
@@heavyarms55 This is true, considering that the Vong are just interested in taking over their part of the galaxy. Thrawn wouldn't even have to do anything to take over, just wait for them to do it.
It never bothered me that Thrawn never used this during his campaign. It could have been something as simple as it wasn't actually meant for Bilbringi but some other plan he had in the works. And that plan died with him.
I agree that one of his few weaknesses was his lack of trust in his own staff. But I think we can attribute that to a couple key points.
Thrawn wasn't truly loyal to the Empire anyway, and he had to know full well how badly the Empire had fractured and how many resources were being wasted in internal Imperial in-fighting. He may have intended to send that station back to his allies in the unknown regions. And thus not revealed it to his Imperial subordinates so they wouldn't learn things about him that he did not want them knowing.
You know, since it's a station, Thrawn could have conveyed orders for it to uncloak via a probe or small ship flying to coordinates under the cloak.
I dunno, the Star Forge battle from KOTOR might make the top spot. Jabiim would also be up there.
Oh yeah the star forge is on top for me...
What was the battle of Jabiim? I've read all but 3 of the novels and am working through the comics and I don't think I've heard of that one
@@Kolonol1 Jabiim was in the Republic comics. It's a brutal arc.
@@nuancedhistory I gotta check it out
Was Pellaeon definitely unaware? Even if he didn't know Thrawn's exact plan(s), I seem to recall he often oversees parts of the plan such as the logistics, and this doesn't seem like that a big of a secret unlike for instance the Hand of Thrawn. Maybe Pellaeon knew of its presence and location at Bilbringi, but was simply unable to use it or retrieve it at any time after Thrawn's death.
If he did know then he probably would have brought it up when planning the battle it was ultimately used at- he was one of the commanders for that planned battle, along with Wedge.
One man's failure sure became another man's miracle work.
Great video again Corey. I have one small nitpick though. I think Thrawn not informing his staff on some of his assets and plans isn't necessarily a weakness. Since if you reveal too much New Republic spies may pick up that info and at times ruin the element of surprise. It's a double edged sword.
He liked to keep his secrets too close to the chest to build mystique, that bit him here.
it's a tradeoff, it can help, if there are spies in your midst, but it's a commander's duty to inform their subordinate officers of their plans.
If the plan fails due to miscommunication caused by keeping parts secret, then it could be argued that that was a grave mistake.
Also, keeping plans secret from one's subordinates lessens their trust in their commander, lowering vertical cohesion within the unit, and cohesion within a military unit is key to high performance. Which is one of the reasons that organisation should not be overlooked in warfare since morale, discipline and unit performance is just as important as good tactics, strategies, scouting, logistics, etc. If one fails at any of these fronts, their army will most likely fail.
if anyone argues that one of these outweighs all others, they are, in my opinion, misinformed. All are, pretty much, equally important, and failing, in any of those categories will, most likely, net you defeat in war.
I thought the lore went back and forth on the Thrawn cloaking devices they worked LIKE a Hibridium cloak (Double blind) but didn't actually require hibridium.
Technical details like that are always pretty vague in SW. In the actual books, they talk about this cloaking shield like it was the first truly functional shield around. Even though the TIE Phantom and other devices had existed. It's just cause of how the books and comics and games were never made in in-universe order.
@@heavyarms55 They later explained it was the first one that didn't require Stygium and didn't burn out Hibridium (Depending on the source that meant it either didn't USE Hibridium or didn't burn it up the way earlier Hibridium cloaks and all Stygium cloaks did)
Nice vid
hmm imagine what he could of accomplished if hed managed to cloak an entire empress class station
In the actual lore, the Empress wasn't that impressive. Corey and the TR developers simply needed a larger battle station to give the New Republic and beefed up the Empress for that roll, instead of making one up from scratch.
@@heavyarms55 oh ok
Thrawn was far too much of a micromanaging commander and didn't divulge information.
The irony of Grand Admiral Zaarin saying this. XD