This is why I really like this channel. You go over niche parts of lore most big SW TH-camrs tend to ignore. Not many have ever bothered to talk about the WEG sourcebooks.
Im honestly really enjoying this niche stuff you post, its really refreshing from people who just review comics or certain storylines, you dig into sourcebooks that I haven't the opportunity to read so its much appreciated. Thank you and Happy New Year from B.C. and the West Coast.
The idea that Star Wars was "made political" by new material is just flat out incorrect and gets thrown around way too much. Star Wars was always political. "They made it political" usually boils down to "they made it political in a way I don't personally like or agree with", or even just a misunderstanding of what the movies were because the specific issues don't seem relevant to them anymore. A New Hope was a Vietnam protest movie and a castigation of American Imperialism. The Prequels were specifically comparing George Bush and the Patriot Act to Palpatine and his emergency powers. If you look at the comments being made about the prequel trilogy at the time, it's the *exact same stuff* that's being said about the ST "making things political." It's even the exact same complaints, saying vague nonsense except the term "SJW" wasn't invented yet, but they still complained about feminism being in there.
Here's just a couple examples of the exact same criticisms being made about the PT. twitter.com/ATATChat/status/1343677069784395779?s=19 There's plenty more out there. For another easily accessible set of examples, Eck did a video about them a couple years ago.
Good video, and fascinating topic. I did know that the Ewoks (especially) and Rebel Strike Team on Endor were meant to represent the Viet Kong. And I knew the Empire was a stand-in for growing fascistic elements in the 70's. But I didn't know that the Rebels themselves had any specific inspiration.
The Rebel Alliance could have been a better fighting force than what it really was if the Galaxy was a bit more ideologically unified, but in a Galaxy that number too the trillions it will be impossible to stand together.
One of the best parts about star wars is how surprisingly good it’s politics are. Like the Rebels being based on the Vietcong is absurdly interesting, not to mention the (admittedly poorly delivered) political themes of the prequels.
They are like the Vietcong but with the ideals of the American patriots, ironically the American patriots used similar tactics the Vietcong used against the British
I never understood why people thought the politics in prequels were handled wrong. Yes, it is not interesting to the audience. Because most of the characters are not interested in it too. Palpatine, Amidala and Chancellor give no crap about why Naboo is blockaded, just that it is. Could the politics in those movies be handled better? Sure. But there is a point here, the issues themselves are not as important as their very existence. Sith were spreading dissent and problems and preventing their solving for a long time. It did not matter what specific problems those were, not to the story, not to the characters we followed, not to the audience. We could spend half an hour of the movies, for example in the second episode in the Senate with Padme and other senators exploring whether an army would solve the problem of gridlocked courts and corporations not obeying laws that prevent them from exploiting native sentients and their natural riches, but can you honestly say you did not get that from the movies anyway?
That's why the Separatists were boned as well. Most of them already had conflicts with other members and none of them were really unified. If it weren't for the Corporations and Palpatine who needed them for an opposing force holding them together they would have been squashed quickly.
It was political but it wasnt so in your face about it. It was a cool story about underdogs with political subtext. Not 2 hours of rey winking to the camera everytime someone says tthe word woman
I don't even know how to respond to that. What are you even trying to imply with the second half, and how much more in your face can you get than an explicit allegory about Vietnam and basing Imperial leadership on Nixon specifically? The fact that we're decades removed from their creation doesn't mean they're somehow less political. The prequels were also explicitly criticisong Bush and the PATRIOT act, there were even characters in the prequels and Clone Wars named directly after Republican figures. Other than just being a woman, what exactly do you mean by the second part? What is the nefarious message being sent with it, and how are the movies sending it?
@@CoreysDatapad nice paragraph nerd. This wasnt a debate. Star Wars (ot) is sci fi action with political subtext. The prequels are political dramas with sci fi backdrops. The sequels are very boring peoples attempts to remake the OT but with a woman to squeeze money out of the non core audience of pulp action movies
You kind of cut yourself off with your credits this time. lol I honestly see the sector forces in this case as similar to the people in America today who think the 2nd Amendment of the US constitution would protect them if America ever became a military dictatorship. It would be laughable if it wasn't so gruesome. If the US military or a political leader with the support of that military decided to declare America officially an Empire, it wouldn't matter is every single US citizen was packing heat. ARs and shotguns aren't gonna do jack shit to the US war machine. And while the US really never *won* in the middle east, it showed that even decades of insurgency wasn't enough to beat the US military. And that was by insurgents who were arguably as suicidal and fanatical as the Yuuzhan Vong in Star Wars. Willing to die for their beliefs, and they still couldn't do enough. You think a bunch of America cowboys who've never actually fought would do better? Not a chance! Much like the Rebels drawing support from former Imperials - in a real world situation where the US becomes a total dictatorship, it would require portions of the military defecting and fighting against that dictatorship for there to be any chance of resistance. And no matter what, that would be an immensely bloody conflict. Which is why when I see certain political groups saying we need a second civil war in the US if their candidate loses an election as some of the most dangerous and terrible people alive today.
Different kind of politics one is healthy the other isn't. And even then it curious look at the people who complain about the prequels politics which is handled much better than the original trilogy. Its funny Vietnam is bad but every other kind of war is good it's not nor has it ever been that simple. The entire franchise is based on war . And war is political. But social politics is completely different.
This is why I really like this channel. You go over niche parts of lore most big SW TH-camrs tend to ignore. Not many have ever bothered to talk about the WEG sourcebooks.
Heh, who knew that the American Declaration Independence was actually inspired by the Rebel Alliance's Declaration of Rebellion.
Im honestly really enjoying this niche stuff you post, its really refreshing from people who just review comics or certain storylines, you dig into sourcebooks that I haven't the opportunity to read so its much appreciated. Thank you and Happy New Year from B.C. and the West Coast.
Ay corey the end cut out a bit soon
Inb4 the people who complain aboutpolitic show up too
I was about to make a satcastic comment about the ending but I guess you win.
Fantastic video, as always. Happy new year!
What is that art of three rebel soldiers and a dead stormtrooper? That uniform is cool
Oh wait I forgot star wars was never political 🤣🤣🤣 great line
Not really. It’s a cheap dismissal of legitimate criticism of the new material without bothering to understand it.
@@BlackIce3190 chill bro it's all good fun
The idea that Star Wars was "made political" by new material is just flat out incorrect and gets thrown around way too much. Star Wars was always political. "They made it political" usually boils down to "they made it political in a way I don't personally like or agree with", or even just a misunderstanding of what the movies were because the specific issues don't seem relevant to them anymore. A New Hope was a Vietnam protest movie and a castigation of American Imperialism. The Prequels were specifically comparing George Bush and the Patriot Act to Palpatine and his emergency powers.
If you look at the comments being made about the prequel trilogy at the time, it's the *exact same stuff* that's being said about the ST "making things political." It's even the exact same complaints, saying vague nonsense except the term "SJW" wasn't invented yet, but they still complained about feminism being in there.
@@CoreysDatapad thank you corey
Here's just a couple examples of the exact same criticisms being made about the PT. twitter.com/ATATChat/status/1343677069784395779?s=19
There's plenty more out there. For another easily accessible set of examples, Eck did a video about them a couple years ago.
Happy New Year's Corey
Good video, and fascinating topic. I did know that the Ewoks (especially) and Rebel Strike Team on Endor were meant to represent the Viet Kong. And I knew the Empire was a stand-in for growing fascistic elements in the 70's. But I didn't know that the Rebels themselves had any specific inspiration.
The Rebel Alliance could have been a better fighting force than what it really was if the Galaxy was a bit more ideologically unified, but in a Galaxy that number too the trillions it will be impossible to stand together.
One of the best parts about star wars is how surprisingly good it’s politics are. Like the Rebels being based on the Vietcong is absurdly interesting, not to mention the (admittedly poorly delivered) political themes of the prequels.
They are like the Vietcong but with the ideals of the American patriots, ironically the American patriots used similar tactics the Vietcong used against the British
I never understood why people thought the politics in prequels were handled wrong. Yes, it is not interesting to the audience. Because most of the characters are not interested in it too. Palpatine, Amidala and Chancellor give no crap about why Naboo is blockaded, just that it is. Could the politics in those movies be handled better? Sure. But there is a point here, the issues themselves are not as important as their very existence. Sith were spreading dissent and problems and preventing their solving for a long time. It did not matter what specific problems those were, not to the story, not to the characters we followed, not to the audience. We could spend half an hour of the movies, for example in the second episode in the Senate with Padme and other senators exploring whether an army would solve the problem of gridlocked courts and corporations not obeying laws that prevent them from exploiting native sentients and their natural riches, but can you honestly say you did not get that from the movies anyway?
Yet another great video. By the way, the description seems to be the same as the last video's.
That's why the Separatists were boned as well. Most of them already had conflicts with other members and none of them were really unified. If it weren't for the Corporations and Palpatine who needed them for an opposing force holding them together they would have been squashed quickly.
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And furthermore I consider that the Tion Hegemony must be destroyed
It was political but it wasnt so in your face about it.
It was a cool story about underdogs with political subtext.
Not 2 hours of rey winking to the camera everytime someone says tthe word woman
I don't even know how to respond to that. What are you even trying to imply with the second half, and how much more in your face can you get than an explicit allegory about Vietnam and basing Imperial leadership on Nixon specifically? The fact that we're decades removed from their creation doesn't mean they're somehow less political. The prequels were also explicitly criticisong Bush and the PATRIOT act, there were even characters in the prequels and Clone Wars named directly after Republican figures.
Other than just being a woman, what exactly do you mean by the second part? What is the nefarious message being sent with it, and how are the movies sending it?
@@CoreysDatapad nice paragraph nerd. This wasnt a debate.
Star Wars (ot) is sci fi action with political subtext.
The prequels are political dramas with sci fi backdrops.
The sequels are very boring peoples attempts to remake the OT but with a woman to squeeze money out of the non core audience of pulp action movies
@@CoreysDatapad alao stay mad
You kind of cut yourself off with your credits this time. lol
I honestly see the sector forces in this case as similar to the people in America today who think the 2nd Amendment of the US constitution would protect them if America ever became a military dictatorship. It would be laughable if it wasn't so gruesome. If the US military or a political leader with the support of that military decided to declare America officially an Empire, it wouldn't matter is every single US citizen was packing heat. ARs and shotguns aren't gonna do jack shit to the US war machine. And while the US really never *won* in the middle east, it showed that even decades of insurgency wasn't enough to beat the US military. And that was by insurgents who were arguably as suicidal and fanatical as the Yuuzhan Vong in Star Wars. Willing to die for their beliefs, and they still couldn't do enough. You think a bunch of America cowboys who've never actually fought would do better? Not a chance!
Much like the Rebels drawing support from former Imperials - in a real world situation where the US becomes a total dictatorship, it would require portions of the military defecting and fighting against that dictatorship for there to be any chance of resistance. And no matter what, that would be an immensely bloody conflict.
Which is why when I see certain political groups saying we need a second civil war in the US if their candidate loses an election as some of the most dangerous and terrible people alive today.
Different kind of politics one is healthy the other isn't. And even then it curious look at the people who complain about the prequels politics which is handled much better than the original trilogy. Its funny Vietnam is bad but every other kind of war is good it's not nor has it ever been that simple. The entire franchise is based on war . And war is political. But social politics is completely different.
If you ask me, there are no good or bad wars, only necessary and unnecessary ones.
@@pizzapatriot1769 agreed. And it should always be avoided if possible.
Lol never political