In Finnish old culture the language was also considered as magical. Saying thing's true name allowed to summon them to your side. For example knowing bears true name and using it would make the bear come to you. Similar thing applies to Perkele. Yes it's a "curse word" but it's mostly used only in situations where Finnish person feels great aggression and is about to hit something (thunder/strikegod). Think it as something similar as what dragonborns have in skyrim.
The idea that you shouldn't say an animal's name or else you will summon it is the same in Swedish (iirc other Germanic languages as well). The etymological root för "björn" (bear) in Swedish is literally "the brown". So when you say "brown bear" you say "brown brown". Wolves are interesting because "varg" comes from the word for "outcast".
Mongolians shared ancestors with Siberians and close to Finns by identity according to recent scientific paper published on Nature genetics. I think Mongolians are eastern Asians. They might mix with other ethnicities when they migrated to Europe.
Finno-Ugric is a macro subgroup of the Uralic language family. The Finno-Ugric is broken down into micro subgroups Baltic-Finnic in which Finnish, Estonian, Karelain, Veps, Livonian, Igarian, and Votic; The Ugarian group includes Mansi, Hungarians, and Khanty; the Finno-Permic members of this group includes Komi and Udmurt; Sami is it's own group; and Finno-Volgaic which Mari and Mordvinic belong. Their is also another major Subgroup called Samoyedic which is divided into Northern Samoyedic in which the Nenets and Enets belong too; and Southern Samoyedic which Selkup belong. The Uralic language family is believed to have emerged in the Ural mountain.
@Tuğrul I'm pretty sure the argument for Altaic not being real was that modern Altaic languages are more similar today than the proto-languages were. Modern Mongolian and Uygher for example are closer than Old Mongolian and Old Turkish. Which are barely related. And also that Proto-Mongolian and Proto-Turkish are even less similar.
Well, the generations currently handling the steering wheel aren't so proud anymore, hardly even celebrating independence and somehow normatizing themselves as "generic white people". We too will fall prey to the globalism and it's artificially fabricated self-resentment towards nation-state. Yes it's sad.
My first girlfriend was Finnish. I used to teach her Swedish and she taught me basic Finnish. I really adore their language, it really is unique and one of the most natural sounding languages I have heard in Europe. Really beautiful. I don't know about other people, but as a legitimate Scandinavian person, I see them as their own people, but are Scandinavian to me as I consider them part of my ethnic group.
I'm not sure it's really race-traitor material, it's just not in line with the more hardliner ethno-nationalistic ethos. I don't consider inter-European marriage (dating, in this case) to be race-betrayal, anyway, though people should, and the generally encouraged approach should be too, marry within ones' own ethnic/National group. @peter parker
@peter parker About 40% of the western Finns are genetically Swedes and Germans (M253). So, unless you're dating a Sámi, you're dating in your own race. Not that it would matter, there is nothing wrong with mixing with Asians, so long as all cultures remain.
Oh, my, for a Finn, this was extremely interesting... And I actually think it describes very well the current Finnish culture: being outsiders but the originals at the same time... :)
Finns lived there longer than anyone. My father said we were the *joggers of Scandinavia because we are ancient, but were owned by everyone who came after throughout our history and had our language, religion, and culture taken from us.
Basically according to vanDriem's Father Tongue Theory and y-DNA Haplogroup percentages among modern Finns, it is obvious that Finns still very much have their original Uralic language and culture because of Y-DNA haplogroup from their paternal line, Haplogroup N1a1-TAT accounting for approx 60% of modern Finnish male population (as high as 90% in some parts of eastern Finland like Savo). But at the same time Finns have a lot of indigenous European mtDNA haplogroup U5, just like the Sami. This suggests that the Finns (and Sami) were the product of an admixture between a bunch of Uralic males who came from the east, dominated the region and mixed with local European women. And its not difficult to tell that the so-called "Aryans" as described in the video were the ones being subjugated, because the word 'orja' in most Finnic languages today means 'slave'. Because of the bottleneck effect and the limited geneflow from the east, gradually the descendants of these Uralic men who intermarried with local European women became more and more 'European' overall in terms of autosomal DNA. Finns, Sami and Estonians have some of the highest European Hunter-gatherer autosomal DNA today in Europe, as a result, and much less Anatolian farmer DNA. Finns, Sami, Estonians have more European hunter-gatherer autosomal DNA than Swedes, Norwegians or Germans. But at the same time their Y-DNA paternal lineage is very much Uralic / Finno-Ugric.
Eastern Finns and Western Finns are genetically further apart from each other than Germans and British. Also, fenno-uralic language and fenno-uralic genes don't always go hand in hand.
@@khusugten3773 joke pseudohistory mostly, its joked that Korea and Finland used to be world spanning empires in prehistoric eras, and they both collapsed from the war they wage on each others, which gave rise to our current world
@@ImBatuAhhh You do what you need to do TO SURVIVE and take care of your loved ones! ❤🇫🇮 We Finns would do it again if forced in that sad situation. But we love peace and safe society! That is our wish for the whole world! 😘❤🇫🇮
Some corrections 1. Asiatic (siberian DNA) entered Finland earlier than 2000 years ago. A study since this video was published pushes this back to about 3500 years ago. I said only 2000 because of limited data available at the time the video was made in 2017 www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-07483-5 2. Western Hunter Gatherers were not the first people in Europe, but they are the most archaic population to have contributed significantly to modern European peoples' DNA. Eastern Hunter Gatherers were also in Finland during the Mesolithic and also contributed to Saami and Finnish DNA. 3. I mispronounced Finno-Ugric repeatedly throughout the video as URGIC instead of UGRIC. 4. The narrative I presented of Finnic displacing Saami is speculative. We know it happened but the exact time and way that this occurred is speculative.
I follow First Nations people in Nunavut. I will be damned, it does seem similar (the way it is spelled, with so many vowels, although slightly bit more guttural sounding even sounds like Finnish) to Finnish can't put my finger on how... but it's there. You guys been chilling with Siberians for a while ? And I am white and Yaqui Indian. My ancestors are from Siberia ! Well, some are.
Flo Antiesse whole early resident people pre Russia was Mongoloid. Christians came and did what they do best. They fucked up the Tatars in this side of the map. In America they fucked up the natives populations... during our hunter and gather phase, mongoloid people were the most dominant inhabitant in the Earth.
Finns are excluded from the Scandinavian "elite" club. Finns are NOT Scandinavian. Finns were the only nation of the Nordic people who managed to effectively defend themselves in the second world war. We are not Scandinavians, we are Finns.
Lol, "successful defended themselves in the second world war" by surrendering to Stalin and giving him more land than he asked for and paying him reparations for all of his losses, 13% of Finns losing their homes, then trying to get it back but getting raped in the Continuation war?.
Pena Pallo it wasn't like that, 20% of the Soviet soldiers died of frostbite before they even crossed the border into Finland. Half of them didn't have guns, Stalin had purged all the experienced generals and the Soviet soldiers in Finland were poorly equipped Ukrainians that had no idea what they were doing.
Why do you think the finns had it any diffrent? they cant feel the cold? finns were just farmers who had to leave their home to the border woods to defend their country, soviet had 3k tanks and air force, while finland had 32, that didnt really prove your point.
Based on molecular data, a population bottleneck among ancestors of modern Finns is estimated to have occurred about 4000 years ago.[3] This bottleneck resulted in exceptionally low diversity in the Y chromosome, estimated to reflect the survival of just two ancestral male lineages.[13][14] The distribution of Y chromosome haplotypes within Finland is consistent with two separate founding settlements, in eastern and western Finland.[15] The population bottleneck is seen only in the Y chromosome. Genetic diversity in autosomal chromosomes and in mitochondrial DNA (maternally inherited) is as high among Finns as among other European ethnic groups.[15] The Finnish disease heritage has been attributed to this 4000-year-old bottleneck.[3] The geographic distribution and family pedigrees associated with some Finnish heritage disease mutations has linked the enrichment in these mutations to multiple local founder effects, some associated with a period of "late settlement" in the 16th century (see History of Finland).[16]
I find it interesting that Estonia and Finland have the highest percentage of blue-eyed individuals of any country and, the gene mutation for blue eyes originated somewhere around the black sea region 6000-10000 years ago
@Maria Madalena Lima Some of the earliest modern humans in Europe had blue eyes, but they also had dark hair and skin. Light skin was a mutation that happened in the Middle East thousands of years ago and spread into Europe.
The U N. Has an agenda to destroy Europe and Israel history, the pure white race white skin, blond hair and blue yes, started in Scandinavian countries; this is the truth and the race that been under attack for mileniuns.
@@jaelarias8601 Blue eyes predated the arrival of Indo-Europeans (and did not start in Scandinavian countries) and white skin came from the middle east, not Europe, many thousands of years ago.
@theDNgamer Likely yes, all of them. The time of high Asian mixture was only about 300 a.d. and that was the result of 2000-2500 years of Asiatic Sami migration an living in Finland. Then the "final wave" of more southern "Sami" people came trough Estonia 1000+ years ago and brought the Finnish language (or what would become one) with them. And these people too likely had the haplo-group N. (Asian origins). So because the timeline is so long it's highly likely that yes ALL Finns have some Asian DNA. (note this means ETHNIC Finns, nothing to do with nationality. People really want to conflate the 2.)
@theDNgamer Just shows you have 0 clue how genetics works. Genes for eye and hair color are around 0.000001% of your genome. So even a pitch black African can have bright blue eyes and blond hair if they just get those right genes.
@@janijonkkari4890 So the comb-ware culture people were not Finnic according to you? Comb-ware culture predates cord-ware culture by a few thousand years in Finland. Usually comb-ware culture has been associated with Fenno-Ugric peoples. I've been under the impression that "Finnish" broke from Earlyprotofinnic, the root of "Sami" and "Finnish", due to the influence of the cord-ware people spreading to the coastal areas some 2000 BC.
@Finnic Patriot You do realize that both the Finns and the Sami descend from the same language root? The Sami languages are much closer to Earlyprotofinnic than the Finnish language at the moment, thanks to the many influences the latter language has absorbed from around the Baltic sea.
This has been the most thoroughly researched piece of YT content about Finland I've seen so far. It's much appreciated even though I cannot at this moment support this channel by other means than my kind words. To be honest the absolute majority of the data used in this video were never mentioned during the compulsory education (or secondary education, for that matter) in Finland, even though we're so often praised for our educational system. I've no doubt this channel upholds its great standards in its other videos which I've yet to watch. I hope you can keep up the great work you do toward enlightening the world!
People confuse genetic groups, ethnic groups with linguistic categories -Finnish is a non-European language (same as Hungarian, Basque,Estonian which are also non-Indo European languages) but genetic makeup of a lot of these groups is probably of the European type mainly.Black Americans are genetically not Europeans but they speak English an Indo-European language.
@DarkEternal6 God I'm dying, there are so many videos from your playlist that are blocked in the shithole of a country I'm living in (Francistan) right now haha
Um African Americans have lots of Euro DNA because of slavery. Light Skin Africans is not a thing in Africa it's from having European ancestry. Likewise many White Americans in the south have some African in them way back. And both could have Native American as well. Its more less how you look and where you grew up that defined the lines in the US south.
Can you give a source to Hungarians being of Hunnic descent? As I understand it the tribe of magyars fled from the huns as they were expanding towards Europe.
I will say this: I am fascinated and impressed with Finland! The Kalevala gave Tolkien (among others) such a powerful inspiration; in it the Finns not only have a mythology comparable to the Greek or Norse, but their own Odyssey as well. And the same country has given us Sibelius and Rautavaara, these incredible composers. And the language- one of the nearest non-Indo-European languages to the lands of my own Scottish and Scandinavian ancestors. And as a historian, one more thing; the Finns living for a thousand years around this great international crossroads that rose up around Novgorod, and later on Saint Petersburg! What a fantastic and fascinating country! I will add: what a wonderfully detailed, thorough and scientific video! This is advanced graduate-school stuff, at least!
I found several problems in the video. Although everything in my reply wasn't criticism, some was further information. Anyhow I think this video has enough bad information, I would delete it. Too bad near 700k have seen it. Also it is borderline racist asking this whole question. After all, Indo-Europeans have Asiatic prehistory as well. There's nothing strange about it, nothing different in the Sami or Finns. In fact everyone who have studied Paleolithic, Mesolithic and Chalcolithic Europe, have seen them big arrows pointing from Siberia to Europe.
@@Aurinkohirvi I am Lithuanian and I am fascinated about our language having very crazy similarities with Sanskrit. we literally have many words similar sounding and having identical meaning. Most of Europeans are pretty much Asians long time ago....😂 But Indo European are specifically from what we call India these days. Like I assume because people from Indus Valley migrated. It's very interesting because Indians are Caucasoids, amongst Mongoloid people I think they are the only Caucasoid people in far east Asia. So it makes sense that folks from there migrated and those was who populated (most of) Europe. Obviously those things have no impact today. Lithuanian language is the closest to Sanskrit but even that is very different language. The connections are just very distant. But a linguist from Sanskrit and a linguist from Lithuanian language can actually guess pretty complex phrases.
I didn't connect the two (Odin and Gwydion) until I came across this blog post a while back, but I agree. Definitely a possibility. celto-germanic.blogspot.com/2014/09/gwydion-britishbelgic-form-of-woden.html
The Irish and Scottish are not Celts. They do however have a Celtic culture. Celts lived in Central Europe and their culture spread westward as far as Ireland.
By the way, I wonder if Finnish word "heimo" (tribe) has a link to the German word "heimat" (home)? Heimo would be in plural "heimot". Their sound is very similar and both their meaning relates to the soil.
Just to clarify, the Germanic loanwords were not borrowed to Finnish through Saami, as you seem to imply at the end (maybe this was just unclear sentence), but were borrowed directly through contacts with proto-Germanics. Saami independently borrowed some Germanic words, there is a PhD dissertation available for free (in English) on this topic (University of Helsinki). Also, the modern theory on settlement of Finland is not quite as straightforward "Volkswanderung" either for Finns or Saami, SW-Finland being inhabited by various groups (Germanic, Finnic and "indigenous", i.e. corded ware/local hunter-gatherer mix), who then started to move Eastward in 300 AD and push Saami (and mix with them) north. This year we should learn more about the DNA but it is noteworthy that all (5?) males from Luistari (the richest Merovingian/Viking age cemetery in Finland) were apparently N1c. Maybe not totally surprising, though as the Germanic settlements were concentrated closer to the sea but still of note since the Bronze age in this area is described as Scandinavian in style. On the other hand, last year's Viking DNA paper found lot's of N1c in Mälaren, among those buried in Salme-ships and even in English Viking age burials, so the picture is getting more diverse in this respect. Finally, the famous "Janakkala swordsman" was found to be R1b but with wholly Finnish admixture. Unfortunately the Finnish soil does not preserve any DNA beyond 2000 years, so we are reliant on secondary testing. They are currently trying to extract DNA from Finnish stone age "chewing gum" as they have done in Sweden, though. PS: I though Corded Ware were (predominantly) cattle keepers, I doubt they would have attempted farming in Tromso, even if the climate was warmer then.
Also his video is full of errors. Errr... I didn't quite get why you're talking about Bronze Age explaining Luistari cemetary somehow. If you are speaking era before 500AD it wasn't yet Sami-language, it would be Proto-Sami language. Also the idea of Finns "starting to push" (Proto-)Samic people ahead of them is unnecessarily violent. Speaking Proto-Samic language does not even mean the person was an ethnic Sami. It is just the name of this language phase, ethnicity of the speakers is unknown.. and like found later in the comment, ethnicities were probably several: generally agreed. The current view of Sami language history is that Proto-Samic (or Pre-Proto-Samic) home is in the Eastern Karelia, around Lake Ladoga (Laatokka), Lake Onega (Äänisjärvi) region. Time estimate for the start of Proto-Samic phase is anything from 1000BC to 700AD (yeah, opinions really vary!). From there it expanded into Southern and Central Finland, Lapland, Russian Kola Peninsula, Norway and Sweden. Now, linguists agree it is way too wide region for the Proto-Samic to evolve, it must have been a smaller region. Even today, there's 10 Sami languages and the region isn't even half as big, contacts are easier now yet it has fractured to so many pieces. The Proto-Samic language/dialect got its Proto-Baltic loan words from Proto-Baltic-Finnic (also Proto-Finnic name is used). That's the earliest loan word layer found in Samic languages. The earliest Proto-Germanic loan words also came from the Proto-Baltic-Finnic. However latest Proto-Germanic loan words Proto-Samic seems to have borrowed directly from Proto-Germanic so that's when Proto-Samic seems to have existed as separate from Proto-Baltic-Finnic for sure. Proto-Germanic languages were spoken (in the Germanic region, if there were Proto-Germanic people in Finland, then who knows.) from about 500BC to 400AD. Also, all that region from the Proto-Sami homeland to the Arctic Sea includes unknown language place names, and Sami lannguages include unknown language loan words, which can't be traced to any existing languages. So Proto-Samic expansion also replaced other languages. Or if I say like you: pushed ahead other languages to the Arctic Sea. Genetically Finns and Samis are two different people. "Ancient Fennoscandian genomes reveal origin and spread of Siberian ancestry in Europe" research shows that ethnic Sami people have much higher amount of Samojedic Nganasan genetic heritance than ethnic Finns. Modern Samis still show about 30% Nganasan admixture, while among modern Finns it is 5% to 10%. Levänluhta cemetary Sami burials dated to 300AD to 800AD showed even higher Nganasan admixture: upto 50%. Ethnic Sami mitochondrian DNA also shows evidence of Atlantic coast migration from the Iberia peninsula, not found among ethnic Finns' mtDNA. So it is obvious the genetic Sami people are different from Finns. But also the modern Sami DNA proves that the Sami have mixed with Finns and Scandinavians. So although some of them still identify as Sami, some of them no doubt adobted Finnish or Scandinavian identity. The above mentioned Levänluhta Sami cemetary is unique in the sence that none of the bodies were cremated, there were almost 100 burials found and the cemetary was in use for about 500 years. The bodies were buried on the ground without and stone or wood structures. However, Finland is full of burial sites with cremated bodies buried within stone structures, starting from Late Neolithic over the Bronze Age and Iron Age to the start of Christian Era. Most of them are found in coastal regions but in the Iron Age also expand inland. If these Sami people were not the first Christians centuries before we are supposed to have Christians in Finland, then their burial style is quite different to the known burials. That's quite strange. And that's why they first thought these were swamp burials, and people been criminals or war prisoners, but it was found many of them were women and children, had their jewelry, no violence done to them, and the cemetary turned into swamp later when a lake expanded there: it was medow when the dead were buried. It's a funny thing, that the Seima-Turbino Phenomena is often nowadays suggested brought Proto-Baltic-Finnic region to the Baltic Sea shores. But only to Estonia. Despite Finland has hundreds of that culture's bronze items, especially axes and axe molds. How come Finns accept the idea it was only in Estonia Proto-Baltic-Finnic existed for almost 2 millenias, before the language finally found its way over the narrow gulf? Are we too polite to the Sami people? And maybe to Estonians too? IMHO if Proto-Baltic-Finnic existed in Estonia, it existed in Finland. We were part of the same Culture zones through-oout Bronze Age: western coast part of the Baltic Sea (Scandinavian) Bronze Age, inland part of the Seima-Turbono Phenomena. Edited a few typos, no content change.
As a Estonian I was pretty much thought this at school. Basically as the ice age retreated the original people to live here where the same that colonized other parts of Europe, hunter gatherers that moved with the ice retreating and settled new areas. Then most likely several waves of immigrants shifted the culture totally, most likely as this video explained they had better technology and their ways of farming took over, alongside language and culture. What I didn't know at all is that Sami where that much different to Finnish people and that Estonia was the side that the "mostly Finnish" came from. I do get the "most and least European" though. Finno Ugric people at those lands kind of stopped mixing with others and hence their slow adaption to a farming culture they were kind of isolated and grew slowly, this allowed another culture to take over yet they still, due to less interbreeding, remained with the highest original hunter gatherer European Genes. So while the gene mix was drastic in some sense it was in one short "swoop". They still held on to their most original ancestry. Hence if you want to see a "modern caveman" our how a proto-European most likely looked like, look at Finnic people as our mix of genes is still the most proto-European you can have, yet we have a dip in Asian genes so the genes we have mixed with are so foreign that no other European nation really has. Hence the most and least European sentence is very beautifully said.
So many plebs leave comments without watching the video. Please don’t leave comments in response to the title, only to the video itself otherwise i will assume you are a dolt! Also: No need to point out the mispronunciation of Ugric as it has been done a hundred times already
Maybe kind of an offensive title on this video, of course Finns are europeans today...! But historical and geneticly they/we are probaply not in a way... Can you make that difference in the title, please..? I think it's an interesting video, and I have watched it several times.
"Christian slave morality killed the Roman empire" That, and the urban, rootless civilization which nourishes it. Ruralism is tribalism. Urbanism is slavery and poison.
I'm Hungarian and my maternal grandfather's family are Seklers from the Bukovina region. His haplogroup is N-L1034. Among the so called 'Hungarian conquerors' there was also some individuals with haplogroup N. So definitely there have been some contact. My mtdna is H11 A1 and according to the DNA site where I've had the test done shows loads of mtDNA relatives in Finland.
What about the Udmurts? I believe red hair in Hungary and Ireland (partially, they got Scandinavian DNA too)might originate from somewhere around Siberia. Both the Udmurts and Scythians had/have the gene for red hair and while Tom was wrong about Hungarians not having ANY Asian DNA (most really don't)i think there's evidence of genetic connections between Uralics/Siberians and Scythians in the form of those characteristics in people with ancient Hungarian DNA.
Kuningas is a proto-german loanword (originally Kuningaz), as are the Finnish words "ruhtinas" (from Druhtinaz), "turisas" (from Thurisaz) and "kaunis" (from Kauniz)
The English word King is of the same root. 'From Middle English king, kyng, from Old English cyng, cyning (“king”), from Proto-Germanic *kuningaz, *kunungaz (“king”), equivalent to kin + -ing. Cognate with Scots keeng (“king”), North Frisian köning (“king”), West Frisian kening (“king”), Dutch koning (“king”), Low German Koning, Köning (“king”), German König (“king”), Danish konge (“king”), Norwegian konge, Swedish konung, kung (“king”), Icelandic konungur, kóngur (“king”), Finnish kuningas (“king”), Russian князь (knjazʹ, “prince”), княги́ня (knjagínja, “princess”).'
A Baltic Finnish tribe has sometimes lived in the Livonian region. google it if you don't believe. I watched a documentary last year and the last one might die after the wars. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Finnic_peoples
My grand mother was from Finland and a decendant of the Samii people. She and her family were from Laihia and around that area. She also mentioned Upsala in Sweden. All my relatives spoke Finnish when we were together and I picked up some of it through conversation. I find it very interesting from a family point of view. I have wanted to learn more about Finland and your videos are really very good. Thank you for uploading such interesting content. Very good!
Love your accent/voice. I know for you it isn't an accent but since I'm American it is an accent to me. Interesting info on Finland and its people. Thank you.
In finnish "Ukko" also has a slightly humorous tone because it also means "old man" in common language. When spoken about the old god named "Ukko", the word "ylijumala" ("overgod") is usually added; even in Kalevala. So it is "Ukko, The Overgod" (crude straight translation) when we talk about the stormy father figure (who was kinda like Zeus). Ummm... And about "Perkele". You were right! Nice! Very few seem to know that "Perkele" was the same as"Ukko" (even tho some sources claim Perkele was god of the forest; not thunder) . It's funny because every finnish person that I know understands "Perkele" to mean "Satan"/"Devil". This is because when the Christians came and forced their religion on us by asking "sword or cross?" (giving the options between death by the sword and Christianity), they also deemed Perkele as a false god and his worship as idolatry.... Soooooo... In some point they just decided to switch "Perkele" to mean "The Devil" just to claim their territory. :E
Copy pasting local believes as evil creatures is a very common practice in the Abrahamic religions. Even the Muslims did it, as can be seen with the "Djinns".
Thank you for this! Having gotten incredibly interested about where we come from in the past year or so (psychedelics-cough), I hadn't remembered to look into the history of Finland since my great grandmother was Finnish! Now I feel like there is a treasure trove of cool stories to learn about, and I think I need to visit Finland.
I honestly find the whole focus on the Finns and whether or not they're European a bit silly. Why would it matter where they originally came from? Their culture is absolutely European and has been for a hell of a long time no matter where the first people in the area might have come from. While they don't belong to the Northern Germanic (Scandinavian) group like the Danes, Swedes and Norwegians, culturally those three countries/cultures are clearly who the modern Finns resemble the most. Wikipedia on Finns refer to DNA studies: "With regard to the Y-chromosome, the most common haplogroups of the Finns are N1c (59%), I1a (28%), R1a (5%) and R1b (3.5%).[38] Haplogroup N1c, which is found mainly in a few countries in Europe (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, Russia), is a subgroup of the haplogroup N (Y-DNA) distributed across northern Eurasia and estimated in a 2006 study to be 10,000-20,000 years old and suggested to have entered Europe about 12,000-14,000 years ago from Asia.[39]" "Finns show very little if any Mediterranean and African genes but on the other hand almost 10% of Finnish genes seem to be shared with Siberian populations. Nevertheless, more than 80% of Finnish genes are from a single ancient Northeastern European population, while most Europeans are a mixture of 3 or more principal components.[45" I mean, if some of their DNA originates in Asia 12-14k years ago.. So what? I mean, the pyramids are only from like 2000-3000 BC. 12-14k years is so long ago that most of what today we consider culture wasn't even around yet. We're talking right around the time when the most basic kind of agriculture came about. It's not like they were a bunch of Asians who came in with Samurai swords and Chinese architecture etc. We're talking pre-stone age. The part about the Finns sharing haplogroup with Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians and Russians shouldn't really surprise anyone. It's not like there was a people around actively looking for the hardest possible place to live in, so of course humans slowly expanded north. As long as there was good land available in southern Sweden (for example) why would anyone want to settle further north and just make their lives harder for themselves? It would make no sense. So it seems logical that people would start expanding from the Baltic region, from the western Russian region etc. to find places to live, and since Finland (of today) is right next door, it would be stranger if they didn't share any DNA with each other honestly. What makes it even more pointless to talk about Finns being Asians *today* is obviously their history with their neighbors Sweden and Russia. There's obviously bound to be some Finns with mostly Slavic roots and others with mostly Germanic roots today because of that history, and a lot of Finns with both Slavic *and* Germanic roots either due to Russians and Swedes simply settling in what is now Finland or due to intermarriage. So of course Finns are Europeans. They live in Europe and their culture is clearly a European one. Their history is also intertwined with other parts of European history. If those things don't make a people European, then what exactly does? No ethnic group ever just popped up in Europe one day, they all came from somewhere else.
ninetythree's The Finn's proper, also known as the "original Finns", are the tribe that have lived in Finland the longest(mainly Tavastians). There's evidence of them living in southwest Finland since stone age. If you want to talk about the "original" Finnish culture and people, that's them and they weren't Asian, neither culturally or genetically.
Racism is a good thing, if people would be more racist, they would just look at the Finnish people, and realise quite fast we are very much alike. Facial features, eyes, hair. How can anyone with half a brain say fins are not european?
Ihaanberseestä 23andme also claimed I was 99.9% European, but that’s only becuause it clustered my Siberian/Asian admixture 6-8% in the same category with ”Finnish.”
I have tried GEDmatch calculators and results are really european. WHG is the what I have most according to them. Maybe I am fingolian but no mongolian or other asian is there. There is some peoples/nations who have asian dna so I think I have asian too but it doesn't show as any spesific asian percentages.
Ihaanberseestä I'm Yakut [ Siberian] in America 23andme shown family in Hungary Finland Estonia Serbia[ No idea how ] Canada Texas Yep my Family got around. is this Normal to have family in Europe?
I’m American my dad is Finnish so I’m half. In the last nine years I’ve had two major health crises. First a brain aneurysm which my neurologist told me happened more often in Finns and Japanese. The two years ago battled a rare ovarian cancer. While researching it found it was most prevalent in the Japanese. Weird or some connection?
You are by far my favorite TH-camr. All your videos are very well made and insightful. Just watched your documentary "From Runes to Ruins", absolutely amazing.
Saying they aren't European due to a little bit of Asian ancestry is like saying Indians aren't Asian because of our Indo-European ancestry, or that Egyptians aren't African because of their Phoenician and Arabic admixture.
My partial Finnish ancestry has been subjected to ridicule here in Sweden, but this video clearly shows Finns are quite awesome. Great video! Would really love one on Italians such as Etruscans, etc. Or maybe something on the rest of the Baltic countries (as you have already covered Lithuanias somewhat one the topic of paganism).
EuropeanFuture My Swedish family line has a woman born in Borga, Finland many years ago. Long enough ago that the family entirely forgot until we looked over our family papers.
EuropeanFuture Then you have been hangin around the wrong people. ;) Most finns I know are really cool and friendly people, and I'd love to learn finnish some day. So I don't understand why they would ridicule you really... Well I understand you though since I'm part danish and some people like to go about saying that I'm a "danskjävel" ya know haha
Happyist Well, there have always seemed to have existed some feuds between the different Nordic nations, though most of it is just ''brotherly love'', which I have been ''subjected'' to as well and partaken in as well. :)
From an Brit, I never got why the Swedish and Finnish never liked each other because I thought they were both just equally Scandinavian but now I can see why.
Don't forget the great smith Ilmarinen (earlier Ilmamoinen) who according to Kalevala made the sky dome and the pole supporting it (sampo). It is thought that this was the original sky god borrowed from the Indo-European butin the iron age, he was "demoted" to a magical smith. He was still important, of course, the poem on smelting of iron being his. "Taivas" (sky) is a very old indo-European loanword as is "jumala" (god).
I'm Hungarian and I tought that only in Hungary there is a lot of arguments and contradictions where we are from but I see, these things exist in other countries too
Another interesting thing in the Finnic pagan religion is the god Väinämöinen. I don't think there's really an equivalent to him in Indo European religions altho he has similar features with some gods. He's very very important in the pagan religion maybe on level with Ukko or even above him in importance (not metaphysically). Ukko is a rather abstract entity whereas Väinämöinen is a cultural hero as well as a deity so he is much closer to every day life and events. He is described as a sage and here he is similar to Odin but I think in some poems he also shares characteristics with Thor. But the striking characteristic about Väinämöinen is his similarity to Greek Orpheus in that he is a master musician and an instrument builder as well and his ability to build things with spellcasting (Thoth/Hermes comes to mind). Apparently Greek Orpheus is Asiatic in origin altho his exact place of origin is unclear. It's generally thought he came somewhere from the east. Perhaps he originates from the same root influence as Väinämöinen. I would be really interested in what your thoughts are on this. :)
Yes, on a surface level but on a deeper level he seems more alien to me. His name refers to a quiet river bend - Väinö or Väinä - and the suffix -nen is a diminutive indicating affection much like -ini in Italian. I think some people have suggested he originated from a water sprite or spirit of some sort. This is a great book on this: www.amazon.com/Ukko-Thunder-Ancient-Indo-European-Monograph/dp/094169495X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1503127697&sr=1-1&keywords=unto+salo
For Estonians, Vanemuine (Quite noticeably similiar name) was the god of music and acting, often carrying a ''kannel'' with him. He was also known for songs and verses. Other gods from our pagan side include Järvevana (The Elder of the Lake), Metsaema (Forest Mother), as well, as some evil entities. For example, Külmking was a lady-like creature with 10 arms and legs, luring people in the forest to devour them. The list could go on with Grave Maidens, Shadowlings, House Spirit, homemade grass effigys, that would bring your riches for you and so on.
Väinämöinen was a god-like man, more like an old wise man than a god. In Kalevala epic tales he also had really bad luck with the ladies. Aino, the fair lady, even drowned herself rather than married that old man (and turned into the fishes in the sea). Ilmarinen, the blacksmith, was another god-like man. But above all was the Ukko, "the over god". They might all be the same god in the origin tho. In Kalevala, there is also a story about the life tree "Yggdrassil" which was split four directions by a midget iron man which arised from the sea...
I have some vepsian heritage, and know that vepsians are closest relatives of finnish people, like karelian, izhorians, estonians and other baltic finnic people. Thank you for this video.
I´we readed that Rurik king of Varjags and founder of Novgorod was Baltic Finnish from somewhere near or from Roslagen area (that time there were Finnish tribes). There was also Estonians in his Varjag Viking army.
@Teemu - Very good English, but the start should be "I've read" as in "I have read". The present "read" pronounced "reed" and the past "read" pronounced "red".
Believe me northwest Indians and some nepalese are caucasian having r1A haplotype European genes and are closest to Europeans genetically. They are the descendants of indo European aryans who established indian civilization ancient indian civilization. Buddha for example was a Prince from the Sakhyan tribe of ancient Nepal and the Sakhyans were the descendants of indo European Sycthians who entered india along with the Acheneid Persian army of Cyrus the Great in 6th century bc.
A short comment: If you read the Kalevala, I suggest you also take a look at 'Kalevala Mythology' by Juha Pentikäinen. There are actually many parallels between the Nordic sagas and the Kalevala: The chanting duel between Väinämöinen and Joukahainen resembles the battle of wits between Odin and Vafthrudnir. Both probably represent a magic struggle between shamans of different tribes. The Bosa Saga and the Sampo Cycle are similar in numerous aspects: Both tell the story of men's journey to the north (the land of women) and both tales end with the battle against a dragon-like creature: Flogdreki in the Bosa Saga and the transformed Louhi the mistress of Pohjola in the Sampo Cycle. Whether the Saami are the indigenous people of Scandinavia: The Saami of Finland have the same amount of East Asian admixture as a non-Saami Finn. Swedish and Norwegian Saami have low East Asian admixture, not higher than most Swedes and Norwegians. Saami have more East Asian mt-haplogroups than Finns, but less y-haplogroup N1c. The second most common y-haplogroup in Saami is I1, which is associated with the WHG. The Saami as a whole have more ANE and WHG admixture than Swedes and Norwegians: That makes me think that the Saami are of dual origin with both European and Siberian affinities. The ancestors of today's Saami over time were pushed farther north, because their land extensive reindeer nomadism came into conflict with the slash-and-burn agriculture of the ancient Finns (all information from the dodecad admixture maps of Eupedia). I actually know of one individual with y-haplogroup N and mt-haplogroup G2a1 (mtdna G is most common in today's Ainu and Japanese) who lived in what is now modern day Hungary approximately 900 bc (Gamba, Christian et al. (2014): Genome flux and stasis in a five millennium transect of European prehistory, p. 3, table 1).
I believe the Finns are a unique people who are definitely part of European culture. Being ethnically Russian I was always taught by my parents that they are brave and skillful people to respected.
Believe me northwest Indians and some nepalese are caucasian having r1A haplotype European genes and are closest to Europeans genetically. They are the descendants of indo European aryans who established indian civilization ancient indian civilization. Buddha for example was a Prince from the Sakhyan tribe of ancient Nepal and the Sakhyans were the descendants of indo European Sycthians who entered india along with the Acheneid Persian army of Cyrus the Great in 6th century bc.
We are made from Perkele. You Russians are magnificent bunch. We love your enthusiasm to the family and closness to your friends and own culture. Thats only thing that matters. Perkele.
We are also genetically more part of european than most of europeans. Scandinavians has most highest total european ancestry and finns are second. Lithuanians has most north european ancestry and finns are second.
There were many good point here and to someone who does not know Finnish history, a very good introduction. However, there were few points where there was either misunderstanding or wrong information.Avarion below already pointed out many issues but maybe it is worth repeating these in slightly different form. Firstly, the DNA result from Levänluhta only applies to that one site and does not mean that all of Finland would have been the same. Around 350 AD the Finnish culture was concentrated in the SW coast of Finland (today known as "Finland Proper") and would spread in the following centuries to inland and Karelia. On the other hand, only 10-20 km from Levänluhta there was a distinct culture concentrated on the river and coast that was using luxury Scandinavian swords and burying their chiefs in by burning them in long ships. This culture had their Golden Age in the migration period and they would disappear by the early Viking Age, around the time when land route to the eastern fur trade centers was replaced by the Eastern Way.As for Finns arriving as one tribe 2000 years ago, this migration theory has been displaced by the continuation theory already in the 1980's. It is now accepted, and this is backed by archeology, linguistics and genetics, that the ancestors of Finns have been there basically since the end of the last ice age. Of course there have been many newcomers but they have all contributed to the mix. However, Finnish as a language cannot have been present for that long but was adopted from one group or another at some point few thousand years ago. Then, for example battle axe conquerors, the Nordic Bronze Age migrants and the Scandinavian migrants that came from Eastern Sweden or Gotland during the older Roman Iron Age all were assimilated to the Finnic culture and adopted Finnish as their language. At the same time, Finns kept pushing the Sami northwards and assimilated some of them to their sedentary farming culture. At the same time, Karelians, who were originally migrants from Western Finland who had moved to the East to gain from the increased activity, got migrants from other Finnic tribes moving from Novgorod to get away from Slavic pressure. The same effect can be seen in Estonia where Veps graves start to appear at the same time. This happened at the same time when the Scandinavian elements of Novgorod were assimilated to Slavic society. This Eastern Finnic influence started the Golden Age of ancient Karelia which ended with first with its absorbion to Novgorod and then the division of Karelia between Novgorod and Sweden in 1323.Summa summarum, the whole ancient history of Finns is extremely complicated and the picture is still evolving. The excerpt you have about Levänluhta is only a "trailer" of the first result of the ancient DNA tests that have been taken recently and the samples from SW Finland dating to migration period, Merovingian Age and Viking Age will shed more light on the genetics of Finns during that time. Especially the rich burial grounds of Eura will be interesting. Unfortunately the acidic soil of Finland does not preserve any bones from stone age. There is only one skeleton known from stone age and that is from Åland islands where the soil is quite different
Thanks for the video, I LOVE Finland, probably my favourite country on Earth although Lithuania is my other favourite; I find it hard to pick really. Very informative.
Your videos inspire me so much! I am Lithuanian and Perkunas is our god of thunder, I so wish to find out more information about baltic pagan religion as well as baltic Slavic language. It’s hard to find good sources for the pagan religion though. I am amazed that perkele derrives from perkunas, kunigas is our word for priest.,need to start reading more books :)
@@northscrow9316 I have always considered us europeans because that is what we are. Every european nation has some degree of asian genes and over 90 % of finnish genes are western european.
I find it so odd that finnish sounds so unique. Like everyone around them is either speaking some slavic type stuff or scandinavian type stuff and then all of a sudden elvish
Fins are Europeans, ore European than others. Europe has a meaning and Origin, some people think it relates to the western part of Europe, it does not.
a couple of corrections: after the ice age melted, the first people in finland were pure eastern hunter gatherers (EHG) as demonstrated by the findings from that time, for example peurasaari, the largest mesolithic cemetery of its time in the world... then during the mesolithic, the western hunter gatherers (WHG) came from estonia as demonstrated by many findings... this mixture was very similar to what a few thousand years later became the scandinavian hunter gatherer (SHG) in scandinavia. Then after the indo-european expansions, a slow influence of steppe-dna has been slowly mixing with finnish dna ever since. Then during the bronze age, the large asian populations started to have their slow genetic effect on finnish dna through siberia. This influence has been historically very slow and even today only about 5% of finnish dna comes from east asia. And this creates the modern finnish dna: around 5% asian dna, around 30% steppe dna and the rest being the largest still remaining pocket of the old eastern and western hunter gatherer dnas still remaining in europe.
Its fun and all until you realized that the world is crap and that something which seemed innocent such as the phrase "they are european/not" could might as well lead to some very grisly occasions.
Unfortunately you got off to a bad start. Kalevala is NOT a religion, it's our National Epos. But the rest was very good and interesting, raises important consirderations and poits. Thanks, keep up the good work.
The Kalevala is a crude 20th century reconstruction of the old religion that was all but wiped out by the Swedes and their crusade. It is cobbled together from word of mouth tradition years after the fact. We lost much.
I'm a proud Finngolian. Finland is my City! I can't understand a word of sami. It's just jibberish to me. But when I hear Estonian, I can understand more than half of what is said. Estonians are just as Finngolian as we are, just more BASED (politically).
@@2009Infidel The Finns essentially are the Sami. The languages diverged on the landmass of Finland as late as 2000-1000 BC. The Finnish language is a mix of Earlyprotofinnic (a language that both the ancestors of the Sami and Finns spoke) and Germanic loan words caused by immigration to the coastal areas.
What does that sentence even mean? How can a combination of two genetically different groups be more identical to a third group, but individually less identical with each other?
@@polybian_bicycle "The Finns essentially are the Sami. The languages diverged on the landmass of Finland as late as 2000-1000 BC." Both of your sentances are utter nonsense. True, the separation of Proto-Finnic from Proto-Samic has been dated to the 1st millennium BC, but it definitely did not happen in the present day Finland, but somewhere to the South East of it. The Finnic (or Balto-Finnic to be exact) people started to arrive in Finland (from South) about 2500 years ago only to discover that their relatives - the Samic people were already there having taken a different (i.e. Northern) route.
@@vulc1 Obviously this is a contentious issue, of which we can't say anything for certain, but the books I've read on the subject say that the separation happened in the landmass of present day Finland due to the influence of Baltic trade and immigration to the coastal areas of southern Finland by people from Germanic and Baltic speaking areas. Why are the Finns basically the Sami? Well, because they share this history and because the Sami that lived in areas where their Fennoized cousins moved to, they settled too, became farmers, and became Finns too. If you go back far enough in any Finn's, you will find a Sami ancestor there.
@@polybian_bicycle Genetic testing shows that Finns as a people are very different from the Sami, the languages have the same origin, but Finns as a people are much more similar to Northern Germanics than the Sami are. There's been some amount of mixing between the Finns and the Sami, true, but to say they're "essentially the same" is about as accurate as saying german people are essentially italian
I'll watch this tomorrow (today - it's morning) but i feel like we are. Thanks for speaking of this topic, and bringing Finland so many people's attention. 💟👑
@@user-ce6iy2nw5o No, Jumala was the name of a for a while influential god and with time the word became the general name for a god. Jma, Jumis, just like Perkonas, Perkele, perun etc. A lot of versions over thousands of years.
I am a Serb woman from the Balkans, as well as all my family! My Dna test shows that I have a 1.1% Finnish dna and 98.9 the Balkans! No one in the family can not explain the phenomenon.
Do not know The real answer but 2000 years ago finno-ugrians, hungarians and bulgars lived quite near in northern east Russia.. The closest neighbours for finno-ugric Murom tribe (near Vladimir) were bulgars
@@911Maci True because most of europeans have same genes. FINNS have LOT of germanic Dna. Actually closest europeans Dna after Estonians and swedes are north germans/dutch.
@@Bigpapiofficial933 Our former president marshal Mannerheim was actually by heritage more flamish-swedish than a finn. If you study also swedish dna you can find out that there is no pure germanic swedish. Actually swedish have more slavic dna than finns presently have. Caused by viking wars when they took slavic (wendis) slaves. So if you read first book Homo Fennicus, then you are wiser.
@@mihanich In Swedish, thunder is "åska" which (probably) comes from old Norse ás-eykja, meaning basically "The God's ride", most definitely referring to Thor riding his chariot.
First things first - I did watch the video (it was well made with effort put into it), and I do not mean to attack the person who made it - rather, I just don't see the point in the whole "are Finnish European" (it's not something that the person who made this video came up with, obviously; it goes way back). I've researched my family history as far as I can reliably go for a family tree project that was made for my grandmother - I've always had an interest in history with years of studying it, and the family tree project was very interesting with records for it coming even from countries distant to Finland - but the thought of whether or not I'm "European" never crossed my mind as I went through all the ancestors that I could spanning century after century: whether or not I'm "European" for someone doesn't make me anything but the person that I am in Finland - it's enough for me being the person that I am without having to fit someone's or another's definition.
We all orginate from outside of europe, so in that sense there are no such thing as a european. In regards to "are finnish european", it's not really an insulting question. A bunch of finnic people look a little asian, so it's only natural to wonder about it.
@@sirkkusalomaa4644 No, real Europeans are native. Out of Africa is bunk theory. Blue eyes is only about 10.000 years old. That's native European and they've always been in Europe.
@@illegalewahrheiten2911 we all come from one common source, and we've got human remains in africa much much older than other places in the world. Remove politics and opinions, they poison the well of history
My granddaughters are 1/2 Finnish from my daughter in law’s side and from our side, Scots Irish..with a bit of French thrown in. My beautiful daughter in law looks like an old friend of mine who from Swedish..one of those tall, gorgeous blondes..I call them Vikings...😊and my granddaughters both look Scandinavian...but my son is also blonde and blue eyes...and he’s mostly Irish and Scottish...but I love the Finns...because I adore my granddaughters and they could only come from the best!
The Beautiful Ones why? So,it’s not ok to say someone is beautiful? Expressing admiration for beauty in any form is perfectly normal....find something real to complain about...I’m referring to nationalities....not races...
Shaxx gee thanxx Shaxx , for straightening me out on that matter but I’ve read that indeed some Finns wereVikings also...they were so close that their cultures did mix at times..
Shaxx this is actually very interesting...thanks for the history lesson...when I had my DNA done I was predominantly Irish and next Scandinavian...I wondered if that was from the Vikings invading Scotland and Ireland...I’ll share this with my grandkids...blonde mongols huh? 😊 they both look very Finnish just from looking at pictures of Finnish people...
@Shaxx The only real racial difference beetween West and East Finns seems to be the haplogroup, and that doesn't tell much about your racial makeup (Regards STJ), besides you see typical Finnic phenotype everywhere, even in the West, and it sure doesn't have much Asiatic left, lol.
T.his controversy about being or not european is completly artificial .First of all the borders of Europe are rather dubious. Second, the old european languajes don´t belong to the indo-european family. The basques that represent one of the eldest population speak an agglutinative language ando not an indoeuropean language. Third the caucasian white type exist even in borders of China. Fourth, the Old Norse People, the siberians left their genes all over the place in the Eurasian Steppe. And the religion is imported from Levant and south Asia
We all originate from outside of europe anyways, so the whole notion of what a european is are largely opinion-based, and thus can't be resolved. How I see it personally, if you live in europe and follow european culture, are you not a european?
@@sirkkusalomaa4644 I'd say the differences put it on a spectrum between the two cultures / continents. obviously it falls closer to European but I believe it is enough to be considered as different.
I am from Japan and my mother became friends with a woman from Finland when I was elementary. The Finnish person was a missionary living by herself in Japan for many years. She told my mother that the DNA roots of the Finns are Asia. I heard that 35 years ago when I was little.
Awesome video, we need more info of our roots because no one cares about it these days and this stuff is not teached in our schools much, just some small parts like how people lived 1000-2000 years ago and what Kalevala is but not much else, greetings from Finland
Finland is separated from Mongolia by only one country
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Not for long
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there is a 15 percent population of Swedes and in 5000 BC we wetern poulation called hammer culture
Finland is also, only one country away from North Korea...
In Finnish old culture the language was also considered as magical. Saying thing's true name allowed to summon them to your side. For example knowing bears true name and using it would make the bear come to you. Similar thing applies to Perkele. Yes it's a "curse word" but it's mostly used only in situations where Finnish person feels great aggression and is about to hit something (thunder/strikegod). Think it as something similar as what dragonborns have in skyrim.
That's why we have so many different words for bears because you know you don't really want to be constantly summoning bears
You are on the Academic level! Kudos! Keep it up!
The idea that you shouldn't say an animal's name or else you will summon it is the same in Swedish (iirc other Germanic languages as well). The etymological root för "björn" (bear) in Swedish is literally "the brown". So when you say "brown bear" you say "brown brown".
Wolves are interesting because "varg" comes from the word for "outcast".
@@onnihalme8819 Yes the word for bear is usually a euphemism, as in "medved" in Slavic languages meaning "honey pig," and " bruin" meanng btown.
very interesting!
"So in a way, they're the most europian people in europe, and in another way they're the least europian people in europe."
Now that is poetic.
i agree,
@Algotnis
Who tf pissed in your cereal today? Jesus.
Finnish people are White th-cam.com/video/mRixjVDq6C4/w-d-xo.html
Mongolians shared ancestors with Siberians and close to Finns by identity according to recent scientific paper published on Nature genetics. I think Mongolians are eastern Asians. They might mix with other ethnicities when they migrated to Europe.
This guy is talking about 1 group only, he is leaving out the 3 other sub groups of finns.
We are not Swedish and we dont want to be Russian. Let us be Finns
So true. Have a nice independence Day!
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Hyvä Suomi. From a Swede who has 16 percent Finnish DNA. Proud to descend from this extra ordinary tribe: the Finns.
@@magdalenadacosta7570 extra ordinary? Lmao dude come on.
Porky Crap
Well, I have been working with finns. Hard working, honest and very persistent. And I am not a dude, dude.
@@magdalenadacosta7570 ok dude dude! marry one if you love them so much
Finno-Ugric is a macro subgroup of the Uralic language family. The Finno-Ugric is broken down into micro subgroups Baltic-Finnic in which Finnish, Estonian, Karelain, Veps, Livonian, Igarian, and Votic; The Ugarian group includes Mansi, Hungarians, and Khanty; the Finno-Permic members of this group includes Komi and Udmurt; Sami is it's own group; and Finno-Volgaic which Mari and Mordvinic belong. Their is also another major Subgroup called Samoyedic which is divided into Northern Samoyedic in which the Nenets and Enets belong too; and Southern Samoyedic which Selkup belong. The Uralic language family is believed to have emerged in the Ural mountain.
Tuğrul Its finno-ugric. Altaic languages are mongolian, central asian and etc
@Tuğrul Altaic is a sprachbund, not a linguistic family.
@Tuğrul I'm pretty sure the argument for Altaic not being real was that modern Altaic languages are more similar today than the proto-languages were.
Modern Mongolian and Uygher for example are closer than Old Mongolian and Old Turkish. Which are barely related.
And also that Proto-Mongolian and Proto-Turkish are even less similar.
Finnish the same people from Tatarstan (republic inside of Russia). The same faces
@Draken ahahahah. The most ridiculous claim I've ever heard about Germanic. The germans are slavs! Learn who has Finnish genes. Opinionated!
hard proud people.....fought the ussr like a boss as a people they have my respect :)
Well, the generations currently handling the steering wheel aren't so proud anymore, hardly even celebrating independence and somehow normatizing themselves as "generic white people". We too will fall prey to the globalism and it's artificially fabricated self-resentment towards nation-state.
Yes it's sad.
@@poetsrear don't remind me now im depressed
@@poetsrear no, thats helsinki bullshit😉😁normal finns are still normal haha
Stug life!
@@zztopz7090 We were slaves for swedes, then for you russians, we didnt attack neither of you as independent nation dont give that bullshit here.
Joke: What does Sweden have but Finland doesn't? -Good neighbors.
Does Estonia count as a neighbor since there is only a river between us
@@justsomeghostwithinterneta7296 Estonia is more than a neighbor, more like a brother :)
@@justsomeghostwithinterneta7296 Estonia is like a brother or cousin who lives across the lake
@@Torsteen-p3d Hungary?
Good one. Sweden approves that sort of joke.
Everyone: ooh Finnish people are so intelligent and kind
My neighbour: cutting a tree while being drunk and swearing.
@Matteo Ricci nah we just like to protect our personal space.
@Matteo Ricci If u ask how are you they just run away. And I hate neighbours
Alcoholism is a good measure of how much there is to do around,
live in regional straya, it is a thing here even if the sun is a tyrant year round.
Wait, us Finns don't have neighbors?!
@Var Ki when have you ever met a rude finn if i may ask?
12:40 what are the odds that my little village Grundsunda would show up on the map, it´s approx 250 people living here. Just made my day
ecktoplasmism it was inhabited by corded ware people
Tacka riksarkivet ;)
nice haha
that drawing of man at 8:39 could be just any current age finnish man after week long cabin trip.
This guy looks precisely like one of my studying pals. It's scary. Yes, I'm Finnish and so is he (Western Finland).
I think he looks like Gerard Butler fro 300
My first girlfriend was Finnish. I used to teach her Swedish and she taught me basic Finnish. I really adore their language, it really is unique and one of the most natural sounding languages I have heard in Europe. Really beautiful. I don't know about other people, but as a legitimate Scandinavian person, I see them as their own people, but are Scandinavian to me as I consider them part of my ethnic group.
Finns are Finnic by ethnicity, not scandinavian.
Might have some different genetics but are brothers nonetheless
I'm not sure it's really race-traitor material, it's just not in line with the more hardliner ethno-nationalistic ethos.
I don't consider inter-European marriage (dating, in this case) to be race-betrayal, anyway, though people should, and the generally encouraged approach should be too, marry within ones' own ethnic/National group.
@peter parker
@peter parker About 40% of the western Finns are genetically Swedes and Germans (M253). So, unless you're dating a Sámi, you're dating in your own race. Not that it would matter, there is nothing wrong with mixing with Asians, so long as all cultures remain.
@@valken666 So which one then, Swedes or Germans? Or maybe Norwegians or Danes (both Norway and Denmark rate about twice as high as Germany)?
Oh, my, for a Finn, this was extremely interesting... And I actually think it describes very well the current Finnish culture: being outsiders but the originals at the same time... :)
I watch finland videos cause Estonia is too small to make videos about :D
@@prapa5521 Estonians are the closest cousins of Finns. All other peoples in between were wiped out at some point or another.
Finns lived there longer than anyone. My father said we were the *joggers of Scandinavia because we are ancient, but were owned by everyone who came after throughout our history and had our language, religion, and culture taken from us.
Why are finns outsiders?
Basically according to vanDriem's Father Tongue Theory and y-DNA Haplogroup percentages among modern Finns, it is obvious that Finns still very much have their original Uralic language and culture because of Y-DNA haplogroup from their paternal line, Haplogroup N1a1-TAT accounting for approx 60% of modern Finnish male population (as high as 90% in some parts of eastern Finland like Savo). But at the same time Finns have a lot of indigenous European mtDNA haplogroup U5, just like the Sami. This suggests that the Finns (and Sami) were the product of an admixture between a bunch of Uralic males who came from the east, dominated the region and mixed with local European women. And its not difficult to tell that the so-called "Aryans" as described in the video were the ones being subjugated, because the word 'orja' in most Finnic languages today means 'slave'. Because of the bottleneck effect and the limited geneflow from the east, gradually the descendants of these Uralic men who intermarried with local European women became more and more 'European' overall in terms of autosomal DNA.
Finns, Sami and Estonians have some of the highest European Hunter-gatherer autosomal DNA today in Europe, as a result, and much less Anatolian farmer DNA. Finns, Sami, Estonians have more European hunter-gatherer autosomal DNA than Swedes, Norwegians or Germans. But at the same time their Y-DNA paternal lineage is very much Uralic / Finno-Ugric.
according to 23andme I am 98,3% Finn 1,7% Inuit.
I got almost the same results. Hello fellow finnuit.
Frickin Inuit?Isn't that Canadian and greenlander?
@@Progcrow Finnuit..N I C E
Did you guys pay 100€ for that
Interesting. My dad had similar results.
Eastern Finns and Western Finns are genetically further apart from each other than Germans and British. Also, fenno-uralic language and fenno-uralic genes don't always go hand in hand.
@Melanin Farmer Elä sinä savolainen minulle pohjalaiselle ala päätä aukoa!
What about northern Finns?
@@mikkopalomaa4852 Gays
@@justsomeghostwithinterneta7296 No
@@mikkopalomaa4852 Northern Finns are pretty much the same as Eastern Finns genetically I think.
You didn't mention anything from the Finno-Korean Hyperwar :(
Von Lorentzweiler what is that?
Veeeeery secret Uralic Uruság vs. Korean Khanate war. Silence, please. 🤫
😂
@@khusugten3773 There is a documentary about it on TH-cam.
@@khusugten3773 joke pseudohistory mostly, its joked that Korea and Finland used to be world spanning empires in prehistoric eras, and they both collapsed from the war they wage on each others, which gave rise to our current world
I love Finnish people,they're very friendly and polite.
Cheers from Italy 💖IT
But their ancestors weren't as much. Lol
@@ImBatuAhhh
You do what you need to do TO SURVIVE and take care of your loved ones! ❤🇫🇮
We Finns would do it again if forced in that sad situation.
But we love peace and safe society!
That is our wish for the whole world! 😘❤🇫🇮
Italian women are so beautiful, and I can tell by your picture that it's definitely true.
@@ImBatuAhhh 😅🥰 True so, we have always just worked hard to manage..Just protecting ourselves! ❤️🥰🇫🇮
Some corrections
1. Asiatic (siberian DNA) entered Finland earlier than 2000 years ago. A study since this video was published pushes this back to about 3500 years ago. I said only 2000 because of limited data available at the time the video was made in 2017 www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-07483-5
2. Western Hunter Gatherers were not the first people in Europe, but they are the most archaic population to have contributed significantly to modern European peoples' DNA. Eastern Hunter Gatherers were also in Finland during the Mesolithic and also contributed to Saami and Finnish DNA.
3. I mispronounced Finno-Ugric repeatedly throughout the video as URGIC instead of UGRIC.
4. The narrative I presented of Finnic displacing Saami is speculative. We know it happened but the exact time and way that this occurred is speculative.
You have it just about right. So what I am 184cm tall and blond. Do I have to take DNA with my farther?
I follow First Nations people in Nunavut. I will be damned, it does seem similar (the way it is spelled, with so many vowels, although slightly bit more guttural sounding even sounds like Finnish) to Finnish can't put my finger on how... but it's there. You guys been chilling with Siberians for a while ? And I am white and Yaqui Indian. My ancestors are from Siberia ! Well, some are.
Finland ,as a Nation State becomes from filosofer Hegel. We all are and will be mixt "races"...
Flo Antiesse whole early resident people pre Russia was Mongoloid. Christians came and did what they do best. They fucked up the Tatars in this side of the map. In America they fucked up the natives populations... during our hunter and gather phase, mongoloid people were the most dominant inhabitant in the Earth.
Does Finns Have Any Germanic DNA??
Finns are excluded from the Scandinavian "elite" club. Finns are NOT Scandinavian. Finns were the only nation of the Nordic people who managed to effectively defend themselves in the second world war. We are not Scandinavians, we are Finns.
We are Finns and honorary Aryans!
Lol, "successful defended themselves in the second world war" by surrendering to Stalin and giving him more land than he asked for and paying him reparations for all of his losses, 13% of Finns losing their homes, then trying to get it back but getting raped in the Continuation war?.
Check the statistics of the war you dumbfuck, lets see you go fight 1vs10 russians, because thats what every finn did in that war.
Pena Pallo it wasn't like that, 20% of the Soviet soldiers died of frostbite before they even crossed the border into Finland. Half of them didn't have guns, Stalin had purged all the experienced generals and the Soviet soldiers in Finland were poorly equipped Ukrainians that had no idea what they were doing.
Why do you think the finns had it any diffrent? they cant feel the cold? finns were just farmers who had to leave their home to the border woods to defend their country, soviet had 3k tanks and air force, while finland had 32, that didnt really prove your point.
Based on molecular data, a population bottleneck among ancestors of modern Finns is estimated to have occurred about 4000 years ago.[3] This bottleneck resulted in exceptionally low diversity in the Y chromosome, estimated to reflect the survival of just two ancestral male lineages.[13][14] The distribution of Y chromosome haplotypes within Finland is consistent with two separate founding settlements, in eastern and western Finland.[15] The population bottleneck is seen only in the Y chromosome. Genetic diversity in autosomal chromosomes and in mitochondrial DNA (maternally inherited) is as high among Finns as among other European ethnic groups.[15]
The Finnish disease heritage has been attributed to this 4000-year-old bottleneck.[3] The geographic distribution and family pedigrees associated with some Finnish heritage disease mutations has linked the enrichment in these mutations to multiple local founder effects, some associated with a period of "late settlement" in the 16th century (see History of Finland).[16]
I’m an American, born in New York City and living in Texas. My DNA: 55% Scandinavian, 28% Irish, 10% German, and 7% Finn. 0% Asian.
I find it interesting that Estonia and Finland have the highest percentage of blue-eyed individuals of any country and, the gene mutation for blue eyes originated somewhere around the black sea region 6000-10000 years ago
Very Interesting!
@Maria Madalena Lima Some of the earliest modern humans in Europe had blue eyes, but they also had dark hair and skin.
Light skin was a mutation that happened in the Middle East thousands of years ago and spread into Europe.
The U N. Has an agenda to destroy Europe and Israel history, the pure white race white skin, blond hair and blue yes, started in Scandinavian countries; this is the truth and the race that been under attack for mileniuns.
@@jaelarias8601 Blue eyes predated the arrival of Indo-Europeans (and did not start in Scandinavian countries) and white skin came from the middle east, not Europe, many thousands of years ago.
@@ajmerthethy6724 That has nothing to do with it. The earliest humans all had dark skin.
They’re ethnically and culturally European, but are linguistically unique.
@theDNgamer Likely yes, all of them. The time of high Asian mixture was only about 300 a.d. and that was the result of 2000-2500 years of Asiatic Sami migration an living in Finland. Then the "final wave" of more southern "Sami" people came trough Estonia 1000+ years ago and brought the Finnish language (or what would become one) with them. And these people too likely had the haplo-group N. (Asian origins). So because the timeline is so long it's highly likely that yes ALL Finns have some Asian DNA. (note this means ETHNIC Finns, nothing to do with nationality. People really want to conflate the 2.)
@theDNgamer Just shows you have 0 clue how genetics works. Genes for eye and hair color are around 0.000001% of your genome. So even a pitch black African can have bright blue eyes and blond hair if they just get those right genes.
K'inich Janaab' Pakal a lot of fins look very asian
@@janijonkkari4890
So the comb-ware culture people were not Finnic according to you? Comb-ware culture predates cord-ware culture by a few thousand years in Finland. Usually comb-ware culture has been associated with Fenno-Ugric peoples. I've been under the impression that "Finnish" broke from Earlyprotofinnic, the root of "Sami" and "Finnish", due to the influence of the cord-ware people spreading to the coastal areas some 2000 BC.
@Finnic Patriot
You do realize that both the Finns and the Sami descend from the same language root? The Sami languages are much closer to Earlyprotofinnic than the Finnish language at the moment, thanks to the many influences the latter language has absorbed from around the Baltic sea.
finland mentioned
Torille tavataan?
ill bring the mämmi
Tortilla avataan
Jos ei Turun torilla kuitenkaan :-/
Joo jos ei kuitenkaan...
This has been the most thoroughly researched piece of YT content about Finland I've seen so far. It's much appreciated even though I cannot at this moment support this channel by other means than my kind words. To be honest the absolute majority of the data used in this video were never mentioned during the compulsory education (or secondary education, for that matter) in Finland, even though we're so often praised for our educational system. I've no doubt this channel upholds its great standards in its other videos which I've yet to watch. I hope you can keep up the great work you do toward enlightening the world!
Thanks very much Jere. Actually this video is a little out of date now but I think i posted updates in the comments somewhere
Great English BTW. Congratulations.
People confuse genetic groups, ethnic groups with linguistic categories -Finnish is a non-European language (same as Hungarian, Basque,Estonian which are also non-Indo European languages) but genetic makeup of a lot of these groups is probably of the European type mainly.Black Americans are genetically not Europeans but they speak English an Indo-European language.
@DarkEternal6 God I'm dying, there are so many videos from your playlist that are blocked in the shithole of a country I'm living in (Francistan) right now haha
BenjaminFranklin99 73% still makes the majority and it's not as if they look (or generally even act, for that matter) as white people
Um African Americans have lots of Euro DNA because of slavery. Light Skin Africans is not a thing in Africa it's from having European ancestry. Likewise many White Americans in the south have some African in them way back. And both could have Native American as well. Its more less how you look and where you grew up that defined the lines in the US south.
@F0RG1V3N I wouldn't exactly say 'ebonics' is the most eloquent way of speaking English now, would you?
@F0RG1V3N No, I'm just not retarded.
Finland, Estonia beautiful people and nations
:))))))))))))))))))))))))))) man...some of you are natice stand-up comedians!
Thanks, appriciate it
What about Hungary you bigot 😂
Que haces
Lapps?
Haha benis :DDDDDD
And now I'm on my way to getting hundreds of likes
Boring you've earned them
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Staph washing born :DDDD
Can you give a source to Hungarians being of Hunnic descent? As I understand it the tribe of magyars fled from the huns as they were expanding towards Europe.
I will say this: I am fascinated and impressed with Finland! The Kalevala gave Tolkien (among others) such a powerful inspiration; in it the Finns not only have a mythology comparable to the Greek or Norse, but their own Odyssey as well. And the same country has given us Sibelius and Rautavaara, these incredible composers. And the language- one of the nearest non-Indo-European languages to the lands of my own Scottish and Scandinavian ancestors. And as a historian, one more thing; the Finns living for a thousand years around this great international crossroads that rose up around Novgorod, and later on Saint Petersburg! What a fantastic and fascinating country!
I will add: what a wonderfully detailed, thorough and scientific video! This is advanced graduate-school stuff, at least!
I found several problems in the video. Although everything in my reply wasn't criticism, some was further information. Anyhow I think this video has enough bad information, I would delete it. Too bad near 700k have seen it.
Also it is borderline racist asking this whole question. After all, Indo-Europeans have Asiatic prehistory as well. There's nothing strange about it, nothing different in the Sami or Finns. In fact everyone who have studied Paleolithic, Mesolithic and Chalcolithic Europe, have seen them big arrows pointing from Siberia to Europe.
@@nobody-special000 Oh you want full on racist? Not so surprising in this channel. Reading the comments it is pretty common here.
@@Aurinkohirvi I am Lithuanian and I am fascinated about our language having very crazy similarities with Sanskrit. we literally have many words similar sounding and having identical meaning.
Most of Europeans are pretty much Asians long time ago....😂
But Indo European are specifically from what we call India these days. Like I assume because people from Indus Valley migrated.
It's very interesting because Indians are Caucasoids, amongst Mongoloid people
I think they are the only Caucasoid people in far east Asia.
So it makes sense that folks from there migrated and those was who populated (most of) Europe.
Obviously those things have no impact today. Lithuanian language is the closest to Sanskrit but even that is very different language. The connections are just very distant.
But a linguist from Sanskrit and a linguist from Lithuanian language can actually guess pretty complex phrases.
@@Aurinkohirvi muh racism, gtfo
@@Aurinkohirvi???
Please do a video on ancient Irish/Scottish Celtic mythology and heritage! It's rarely discussed these days, but is fascinating nonetheless!
Please this
There is certainly similarities but also some nuance that makes Celtic-Paganism distinct.
ODIN I see similarity too with Odin and Gwdion. They have etymological similarities too
I didn't connect the two (Odin and Gwydion) until I came across this blog post a while back, but I agree. Definitely a possibility.
celto-germanic.blogspot.com/2014/09/gwydion-britishbelgic-form-of-woden.html
The Irish and Scottish are not Celts. They do however have a Celtic culture. Celts lived in Central Europe and their culture spread westward as far as Ireland.
Finns have one great virtue and asset. They ALWAYS Finnish (finish) what they Started. You can count on them to keep ALL their commitments.
I never finish anything. I will eat and drink as long as i live. etc.
What about Mannerheim?
Yeah. Today my Finnish boss helped me with one task at work and we didn't leave until we've completed it. Actually Russians have the same trait.
@@maxim9280 oof
Before watching the video I would just like to say: Yes, we are.
Perkele of course you are
Perkele the proper aryan-mongomango-urheimatic etymological root version of perkele is VITUPÄRKKELE (approved by Ior Bock)
t. Pekka Yisujinh
Of course you are. Greetings from Russia.
By the way, I wonder if Finnish word "heimo" (tribe) has a link to the German word "heimat" (home)? Heimo would be in plural "heimot". Their sound is very similar and both their meaning relates to the soil.
Just to clarify, the Germanic loanwords were not borrowed to Finnish through Saami, as you seem to imply at the end (maybe this was just unclear sentence), but were borrowed directly through contacts with proto-Germanics. Saami independently borrowed some Germanic words, there is a PhD dissertation available for free (in English) on this topic (University of Helsinki). Also, the modern theory on settlement of Finland is not quite as straightforward "Volkswanderung" either for Finns or Saami, SW-Finland being inhabited by various groups (Germanic, Finnic and "indigenous", i.e. corded ware/local hunter-gatherer mix), who then started to move Eastward in 300 AD and push Saami (and mix with them) north. This year we should learn more about the DNA but it is noteworthy that all (5?) males from Luistari (the richest Merovingian/Viking age cemetery in Finland) were apparently N1c. Maybe not totally surprising, though as the Germanic settlements were concentrated closer to the sea but still of note since the Bronze age in this area is described as Scandinavian in style. On the other hand, last year's Viking DNA paper found lot's of N1c in Mälaren, among those buried in Salme-ships and even in English Viking age burials, so the picture is getting more diverse in this respect. Finally, the famous "Janakkala swordsman" was found to be R1b but with wholly Finnish admixture. Unfortunately the Finnish soil does not preserve any DNA beyond 2000 years, so we are reliant on secondary testing. They are currently trying to extract DNA from Finnish stone age "chewing gum" as they have done in Sweden, though. PS: I though Corded Ware were (predominantly) cattle keepers, I doubt they would have attempted farming in Tromso, even if the climate was warmer then.
Also his video is full of errors.
Errr... I didn't quite get why you're talking about Bronze Age explaining Luistari cemetary somehow.
If you are speaking era before 500AD it wasn't yet Sami-language, it would be Proto-Sami language. Also the idea of Finns "starting to push" (Proto-)Samic people ahead of them is unnecessarily violent. Speaking Proto-Samic language does not even mean the person was an ethnic Sami. It is just the name of this language phase, ethnicity of the speakers is unknown.. and like found later in the comment, ethnicities were probably several: generally agreed.
The current view of Sami language history is that Proto-Samic (or Pre-Proto-Samic) home is in the Eastern Karelia, around Lake Ladoga (Laatokka), Lake Onega (Äänisjärvi) region. Time estimate for the start of Proto-Samic phase is anything from 1000BC to 700AD (yeah, opinions really vary!). From there it expanded into Southern and Central Finland, Lapland, Russian Kola Peninsula, Norway and Sweden. Now, linguists agree it is way too wide region for the Proto-Samic to evolve, it must have been a smaller region. Even today, there's 10 Sami languages and the region isn't even half as big, contacts are easier now yet it has fractured to so many pieces.
The Proto-Samic language/dialect got its Proto-Baltic loan words from Proto-Baltic-Finnic (also Proto-Finnic name is used). That's the earliest loan word layer found in Samic languages. The earliest Proto-Germanic loan words also came from the Proto-Baltic-Finnic. However latest Proto-Germanic loan words Proto-Samic seems to have borrowed directly from Proto-Germanic so that's when Proto-Samic seems to have existed as separate from Proto-Baltic-Finnic for sure. Proto-Germanic languages were spoken (in the Germanic region, if there were Proto-Germanic people in Finland, then who knows.) from about 500BC to 400AD.
Also, all that region from the Proto-Sami homeland to the Arctic Sea includes unknown language place names, and Sami lannguages include unknown language loan words, which can't be traced to any existing languages. So Proto-Samic expansion also replaced other languages. Or if I say like you: pushed ahead other languages to the Arctic Sea.
Genetically Finns and Samis are two different people. "Ancient Fennoscandian genomes reveal origin and spread of Siberian ancestry in Europe" research shows that ethnic Sami people have much higher amount of Samojedic Nganasan genetic heritance than ethnic Finns. Modern Samis still show about 30% Nganasan admixture, while among modern Finns it is 5% to 10%. Levänluhta cemetary Sami burials dated to 300AD to 800AD showed even higher Nganasan admixture: upto 50%. Ethnic Sami mitochondrian DNA also shows evidence of Atlantic coast migration from the Iberia peninsula, not found among ethnic Finns' mtDNA. So it is obvious the genetic Sami people are different from Finns. But also the modern Sami DNA proves that the Sami have mixed with Finns and Scandinavians. So although some of them still identify as Sami, some of them no doubt adobted Finnish or Scandinavian identity.
The above mentioned Levänluhta Sami cemetary is unique in the sence that none of the bodies were cremated, there were almost 100 burials found and the cemetary was in use for about 500 years. The bodies were buried on the ground without and stone or wood structures. However, Finland is full of burial sites with cremated bodies buried within stone structures, starting from Late Neolithic over the Bronze Age and Iron Age to the start of Christian Era. Most of them are found in coastal regions but in the Iron Age also expand inland. If these Sami people were not the first Christians centuries before we are supposed to have Christians in Finland, then their burial style is quite different to the known burials.
That's quite strange. And that's why they first thought these were swamp burials, and people been criminals or war prisoners, but it was found many of them were women and children, had their jewelry, no violence done to them, and the cemetary turned into swamp later when a lake expanded there: it was medow when the dead were buried.
It's a funny thing, that the Seima-Turbino Phenomena is often nowadays suggested brought Proto-Baltic-Finnic region to the Baltic Sea shores. But only to Estonia. Despite Finland has hundreds of that culture's bronze items, especially axes and axe molds. How come Finns accept the idea it was only in Estonia Proto-Baltic-Finnic existed for almost 2 millenias, before the language finally found its way over the narrow gulf? Are we too polite to the Sami people? And maybe to Estonians too? IMHO if Proto-Baltic-Finnic existed in Estonia, it existed in Finland. We were part of the same Culture zones through-oout Bronze Age: western coast part of the Baltic Sea (Scandinavian) Bronze Age, inland part of the Seima-Turbono Phenomena.
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"Finland, Finland, Finland...a place that I'd quite like to be".
Yeah, Monty Python.
Ei ei ei, Finland is overrated.
As a Estonian I was pretty much thought this at school. Basically as the ice age retreated the original people to live here where the same that colonized other parts of Europe, hunter gatherers that moved with the ice retreating and settled new areas.
Then most likely several waves of immigrants shifted the culture totally, most likely as this video explained they had better technology and their ways of farming took over, alongside language and culture.
What I didn't know at all is that Sami where that much different to Finnish people and that Estonia was the side that the "mostly Finnish" came from.
I do get the "most and least European" though. Finno Ugric people at those lands kind of stopped mixing with others and hence their slow adaption to a farming culture they were kind of isolated and grew slowly, this allowed another culture to take over yet they still, due to less interbreeding, remained with the highest original hunter gatherer European Genes.
So while the gene mix was drastic in some sense it was in one short "swoop". They still held on to their most original ancestry.
Hence if you want to see a "modern caveman" our how a proto-European most likely looked like, look at Finnic people as our mix of genes is still the most proto-European you can have, yet we have a dip in Asian genes so the genes we have mixed with are so foreign that no other European nation really has.
Hence the most and least European sentence is very beautifully said.
Your comment is a great unpacking of this video. Very clear. I hope you are teaching.
So many plebs leave comments without watching the video. Please don’t leave comments in response to the title, only to the video itself otherwise i will assume you are a dolt!
Also: No need to point out the mispronunciation of Ugric as it has been done a hundred times already
Survive the Jive It’s too difficult for them.
Maybe kind of an offensive title on this video, of course Finns are europeans today...! But historical and geneticly they/we are probaply not in a way... Can you make that difference in the title, please..? I think it's an interesting video, and I have watched it several times.
"Christian slave morality killed the Roman empire"
That, and the urban, rootless civilization which nourishes it. Ruralism is tribalism. Urbanism is slavery and poison.
watch the video you dolt!
leiper72 Are you saying the title is a bit... clickbaity?
I'm Hungarian and my maternal grandfather's family are Seklers from the Bukovina region. His haplogroup is N-L1034. Among the so called 'Hungarian conquerors' there was also some individuals with haplogroup N. So definitely there have been some contact. My mtdna is H11 A1 and according to the DNA site where I've had the test done shows loads of mtDNA relatives in Finland.
Interesting
What about the Udmurts?
I believe red hair in Hungary and Ireland (partially, they got Scandinavian DNA too)might originate from somewhere around Siberia.
Both the Udmurts and Scythians had/have the gene for red hair and while Tom was wrong about Hungarians not having ANY Asian DNA (most really don't)i think there's evidence of genetic connections between Uralics/Siberians and Scythians in the form of those characteristics in people with ancient Hungarian DNA.
Same here - are we related?
Finns are fair and good people. You can do good business with them. Nokia, I did, it works. Greetings from a Fleming.
Yes they are. Beautiful country and beautiful people. Greetings from Germany
Thanks for video.
Strange to hear very old Lithuanian language words, like "Kunigas" and "Perkūnas" Perkoonas.
Kuningas is a proto-german loanword (originally Kuningaz), as are the Finnish words "ruhtinas" (from Druhtinaz), "turisas" (from Thurisaz) and "kaunis" (from Kauniz)
The English word King is of the same root.
'From Middle English king, kyng, from Old English cyng, cyning (“king”), from Proto-Germanic *kuningaz, *kunungaz (“king”), equivalent to kin + -ing. Cognate with Scots keeng (“king”), North Frisian köning (“king”), West Frisian kening (“king”), Dutch koning (“king”), Low German Koning, Köning (“king”), German König (“king”), Danish konge (“king”), Norwegian konge, Swedish konung, kung (“king”), Icelandic konungur, kóngur (“king”), Finnish kuningas (“king”), Russian князь (knjazʹ, “prince”), княги́ня (knjagínja, “princess”).'
A Baltic Finnish tribe has sometimes lived in the Livonian region. google it if you don't believe. I watched a documentary last year and the last one might die after the wars. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Finnic_peoples
My grand mother was from Finland and a decendant of the Samii people. She and her family were from Laihia and around that area. She also mentioned Upsala in Sweden. All my relatives spoke Finnish when we were together and I picked up some of it through conversation. I find it very interesting from a family point of view. I have wanted to learn more about Finland and your videos are really very good. Thank you for uploading such interesting content. Very good!
Love your accent/voice. I know for you it isn't an accent but since I'm American it is an accent to me. Interesting info on Finland and its people. Thank you.
I love the finns. awesome people. this vid was very infomative
Oh thanks! I'm from Finland :D
thanks, icelandic people are awesome too
Thanks from a Finn! :3
In finnish "Ukko" also has a slightly humorous tone because it also means "old man" in common language. When spoken about the old god named "Ukko", the word "ylijumala" ("overgod") is usually added; even in Kalevala. So it is "Ukko, The Overgod" (crude straight translation) when we talk about the stormy father figure (who was kinda like Zeus).
Ummm... And about "Perkele". You were right! Nice! Very few seem to know that "Perkele" was the same as"Ukko" (even tho some sources claim Perkele was god of the forest; not thunder) . It's funny because every finnish person that I know understands "Perkele" to mean "Satan"/"Devil". This is because when the Christians came and forced their religion on us by asking "sword or cross?" (giving the options between death by the sword and Christianity), they also deemed Perkele as a false god and his worship as idolatry.... Soooooo... In some point they just decided to switch "Perkele" to mean "The Devil" just to claim their territory. :E
Copy pasting local believes as evil creatures is a very common practice in the Abrahamic religions. Even the Muslims did it, as can be seen with the "Djinns".
Let's learn some finnish :D
Moimitäkuuluuhauskatavatasinutmikäsinunnimesion?
hmm estonians have Uku who is basically just god... or taevaisa wich YES means skyfather.... well...cool i guess..
@@mr.strugglesnuggle6668 Good djinns bad djinns but not fully evil.
isnt TAPIO the forest god?
Thank you for this! Having gotten incredibly interested about where we come from in the past year or so (psychedelics-cough), I hadn't remembered to look into the history of Finland since my great grandmother was Finnish! Now I feel like there is a treasure trove of cool stories to learn about, and I think I need to visit Finland.
I honestly find the whole focus on the Finns and whether or not they're European a bit silly. Why would it matter where they originally came from? Their culture is absolutely European and has been for a hell of a long time no matter where the first people in the area might have come from. While they don't belong to the Northern Germanic (Scandinavian) group like the Danes, Swedes and Norwegians, culturally those three countries/cultures are clearly who the modern Finns resemble the most.
Wikipedia on Finns refer to DNA studies:
"With regard to the Y-chromosome, the most common haplogroups of the Finns are N1c (59%), I1a (28%), R1a (5%) and R1b (3.5%).[38] Haplogroup N1c, which is found mainly in a few countries in Europe (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, Russia), is a subgroup of the haplogroup N (Y-DNA) distributed across northern Eurasia and estimated in a 2006 study to be 10,000-20,000 years old and suggested to have entered Europe about 12,000-14,000 years ago from Asia.[39]"
"Finns show very little if any Mediterranean and African genes but on the other hand almost 10% of Finnish genes seem to be shared with Siberian populations. Nevertheless, more than 80% of Finnish genes are from a single ancient Northeastern European population, while most Europeans are a mixture of 3 or more principal components.[45"
I mean, if some of their DNA originates in Asia 12-14k years ago.. So what? I mean, the pyramids are only from like 2000-3000 BC. 12-14k years is so long ago that most of what today we consider culture wasn't even around yet. We're talking right around the time when the most basic kind of agriculture came about. It's not like they were a bunch of Asians who came in with Samurai swords and Chinese architecture etc. We're talking pre-stone age.
The part about the Finns sharing haplogroup with Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians and Russians shouldn't really surprise anyone. It's not like there was a people around actively looking for the hardest possible place to live in, so of course humans slowly expanded north. As long as there was good land available in southern Sweden (for example) why would anyone want to settle further north and just make their lives harder for themselves? It would make no sense.
So it seems logical that people would start expanding from the Baltic region, from the western Russian region etc. to find places to live, and since Finland (of today) is right next door, it would be stranger if they didn't share any DNA with each other honestly.
What makes it even more pointless to talk about Finns being Asians *today* is obviously their history with their neighbors Sweden and Russia. There's obviously bound to be some Finns with mostly Slavic roots and others with mostly Germanic roots today because of that history, and a lot of Finns with both Slavic *and* Germanic roots either due to Russians and Swedes simply settling in what is now Finland or due to intermarriage.
So of course Finns are Europeans. They live in Europe and their culture is clearly a European one. Their history is also intertwined with other parts of European history. If those things don't make a people European, then what exactly does? No ethnic group ever just popped up in Europe one day, they all came from somewhere else.
ninetythree's hyvä että joku osaa olla rehellinen itselleen💪🏼
ninetythree's The Finn's proper, also known as the "original Finns", are the tribe that have lived in Finland the longest(mainly Tavastians). There's evidence of them living in southwest Finland since stone age.
If you want to talk about the "original" Finnish culture and people, that's them and they weren't Asian, neither culturally or genetically.
Why does it bother you
Racism is a good thing, if people would be more racist, they would just look at the Finnish people, and realise quite fast we are very much alike. Facial features, eyes, hair. How can anyone with half a brain say fins are not european?
Found the binn
I am from south-west Finland and according to 23andme I am 100% European. 97% Finnish and 3% Scandinavian.
Wish I could claim that much... :'( Lucky duck you.
Ihaanberseestä 23andme also claimed I was 99.9% European, but that’s only becuause it clustered my Siberian/Asian admixture 6-8% in the same category with ”Finnish.”
Very interesting lol. My 23andme is 99% han chinese, but 1% finnish. Strange shit must have happened.
I have tried GEDmatch calculators and results are really european. WHG is the what I have most according to them. Maybe I am fingolian but no mongolian or other asian is there. There is some peoples/nations who have asian dna so I think I have asian too but it doesn't show as any spesific asian percentages.
Ihaanberseestä
I'm Yakut [ Siberian]
in America
23andme
shown family in
Hungary
Finland
Estonia
Serbia[ No idea how ]
Canada
Texas
Yep my Family got around.
is this Normal to have family in Europe?
I'm still not convinced Finland actually exists.
fakk y
Get off reddit lol
Yes it does perkele
eeppinen meemi hei xDdd
Wasn't Finland killed when they tried to rat out the other countries of Earth to the alien police about what we did with the space money?
I’m American my dad is Finnish so I’m half. In the last nine years I’ve had two major health crises. First a brain aneurysm which my neurologist told me happened more often in Finns and Japanese. The two years ago battled a rare ovarian cancer. While researching it found it was most prevalent in the Japanese. Weird or some connection?
You are by far my favorite TH-camr. All your videos are very well made and insightful. Just watched your documentary "From Runes to Ruins", absolutely amazing.
Saying they aren't European due to a little bit of Asian ancestry is like saying Indians aren't Asian because of our Indo-European ancestry, or that Egyptians aren't African because of their Phoenician and Arabic admixture.
HAISTA KAKKA EI WE ARE NOT ASIANS WE ARE EUROPEANS
@xxaleenazxx indians are not mix with mongoloids ok some of north indians definitely little bit mix with dravidians
I sexually identify as asian
@xxaleenazxx what's a "black" African and what's the difference between a black African and an Egyptian African?
@@abelshand3843 One is Sub-Saharan, one is highly influenced by Arabic admix and is above the Sahara.
Who else came here for Spurdo Spadre?
Here I am lad :---DDDDDD fuggg
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EBIN! xDDDDD
Ei viddu mage :DDDDD
I came here for throat singing.
Texans are looking at that belt buckle and feel that they need to step up their game.
My partial Finnish ancestry has been subjected to ridicule here in Sweden, but this video clearly shows Finns are quite awesome.
Great video! Would really love one on Italians such as Etruscans, etc. Or maybe something on the rest of the Baltic countries (as you have already covered Lithuanias somewhat one the topic of paganism).
EuropeanFuture My Swedish family line has a woman born in Borga, Finland many years ago. Long enough ago that the family entirely forgot until we looked over our family papers.
30 % of the population in Borgå still speak Swedish according to Wikipedia.
EuropeanFuture Then you have been hangin around the wrong people. ;) Most finns I know are really cool and friendly people, and I'd love to learn finnish some day. So I don't understand why they would ridicule you really... Well I understand you though since I'm part danish and some people like to go about saying that I'm a "danskjävel" ya know haha
Happyist Well, there have always seemed to have existed some feuds between the different Nordic nations, though most of it is just ''brotherly love'', which I have been ''subjected'' to as well and partaken in as well. :)
From an Brit, I never got why the Swedish and Finnish never liked each other because I thought they were both just equally Scandinavian but now I can see why.
Do more Finnish stuff, people are interested! ;)
BERRY INTO-EUROBEIN FUG
Don't forget the great smith Ilmarinen (earlier Ilmamoinen) who according to Kalevala made the sky dome and the pole supporting it (sampo). It is thought that this was the original sky god borrowed from the Indo-European butin the iron age, he was "demoted" to a magical smith. He was still important, of course, the poem on smelting of iron being his. "Taivas" (sky) is a very old indo-European loanword as is "jumala" (god).
I'm Hungarian and I tought that only in Hungary there is a lot of arguments and contradictions where we are from but I see, these things exist in other countries too
@Tuğrul lmao
Hungarians are not finno ugrian but language is ugrian. Hungarians are magyars and sarmatians.....
@Tuğrul
Definitely not altough we have some genetic links to tatars.....
@@harrynewsprite8618 hungarians are related to finns. Deal with it
@Tuğrul Ree swedes are germanic ppl
Actually a really nice video, I see you've done your research.
Another interesting thing in the Finnic pagan religion is the god Väinämöinen. I don't think there's really an equivalent to him in Indo European religions altho he has similar features with some gods. He's very very important in the pagan religion maybe on level with Ukko or even above him in importance (not metaphysically). Ukko is a rather abstract entity whereas Väinämöinen is a cultural hero as well as a deity so he is much closer to every day life and events. He is described as a sage and here he is similar to Odin but I think in some poems he also shares characteristics with Thor.
But the striking characteristic about Väinämöinen is his similarity to Greek Orpheus in that he is a master musician and an instrument builder as well and his ability to build things with spellcasting (Thoth/Hermes comes to mind). Apparently Greek Orpheus is Asiatic in origin altho his exact place of origin is unclear. It's generally thought he came somewhere from the east. Perhaps he originates from the same root influence as Väinämöinen.
I would be really interested in what your thoughts are on this. :)
keeelane he is very like Odin and Merlin
Yes, on a surface level but on a deeper level he seems more alien to me. His name refers to a quiet river bend - Väinö or Väinä - and the suffix -nen is a diminutive indicating affection much like -ini in Italian. I think some people have suggested he originated from a water sprite or spirit of some sort.
This is a great book on this:
www.amazon.com/Ukko-Thunder-Ancient-Indo-European-Monograph/dp/094169495X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1503127697&sr=1-1&keywords=unto+salo
For Estonians, Vanemuine (Quite noticeably similiar name) was the god of music and acting, often carrying a ''kannel'' with him. He was also known for songs and verses. Other gods from our pagan side include Järvevana (The Elder of the Lake), Metsaema (Forest Mother), as well, as some evil entities. For example, Külmking was a lady-like creature with 10 arms and legs, luring people in the forest to devour them. The list could go on with Grave Maidens, Shadowlings, House Spirit, homemade grass effigys, that would bring your riches for you and so on.
väinämöinen was a drunk
Väinämöinen was a god-like man, more like an old wise man than a god. In Kalevala epic tales he also had really bad luck with the ladies. Aino, the fair lady, even drowned herself rather than married that old man (and turned into the fishes in the sea). Ilmarinen, the blacksmith, was another god-like man. But above all was the Ukko, "the over god". They might all be the same god in the origin tho. In Kalevala, there is also a story about the life tree "Yggdrassil" which was split four directions by a midget iron man which arised from the sea...
I have some vepsian heritage, and know that vepsians are closest relatives of finnish people, like karelian, izhorians, estonians and other baltic finnic people.
Thank you for this video.
As an Irish American, I can tell you, Finns are pretty much the master race.
You’re an idiot they are mongols
no were not pwerr
@@んや-s7z Then it is a mongol master race.
What the fuck is an Irish American?
@@keithandersonbrady5026 An American of Irish ancestry.
Finns are Canadian, actually........really good hockey players.
The other way around. Many finns have migrated to Canada.
Dr Boom xD please don’t remind our ancestors of that place, it went horribly.
Very well spoken. Interesting. I shall react to some of your videos soon, do you have anything against it?
artur rehi Its weird to see you here! I'm a Finn and I love your vids.
No please go ahead
I´we readed that Rurik king of Varjags and founder of Novgorod was Baltic Finnish from somewhere near or from Roslagen area (that time there were Finnish tribes). There was also Estonians in his Varjag Viking army.
And btw i like your videos also :D
@Teemu - Very good English, but the start should be "I've read" as in "I have read". The present "read" pronounced "reed" and the past "read" pronounced "red".
Next time you try to do a Finnish accent impression in the intro, you should roll your Rs. Also that's way too much emotion. ;)
Believe me northwest Indians and some nepalese are caucasian having r1A haplotype European genes and are closest to Europeans genetically. They are the descendants of indo European aryans who established indian civilization ancient indian civilization. Buddha for example was a Prince from the Sakhyan tribe of ancient Nepal and the Sakhyans were the descendants of indo European Sycthians who entered india along with the Acheneid Persian army of Cyrus the Great in 6th century bc.
A short comment:
If you read the Kalevala, I suggest you also take a look at 'Kalevala Mythology' by Juha Pentikäinen.
There are actually many parallels between the Nordic sagas and the Kalevala:
The chanting duel between Väinämöinen and Joukahainen resembles the battle of wits between Odin and Vafthrudnir.
Both probably represent a magic struggle between shamans of different tribes.
The Bosa Saga and the Sampo Cycle are similar in numerous aspects: Both tell the story of men's journey to the north (the land of women) and both tales end with the battle against a dragon-like creature: Flogdreki in the Bosa Saga and the transformed Louhi the mistress of Pohjola in the Sampo Cycle.
Whether the Saami are the indigenous people of Scandinavia: The Saami of Finland have the same amount of East Asian admixture as a non-Saami Finn. Swedish and Norwegian Saami have low East Asian admixture, not higher than most Swedes and Norwegians. Saami have more East Asian mt-haplogroups than Finns, but less y-haplogroup N1c. The second most common y-haplogroup in Saami is I1, which is associated with the WHG. The Saami as a whole have more ANE and WHG admixture than Swedes and Norwegians: That makes me think that the Saami are of dual origin with both European and Siberian affinities. The ancestors of today's Saami over time were pushed farther north, because their land extensive reindeer
nomadism came into conflict with the slash-and-burn agriculture of the ancient Finns (all information from the dodecad admixture maps of Eupedia).
I actually know of one individual with y-haplogroup N and mt-haplogroup G2a1 (mtdna G is most common in today's Ainu and Japanese) who lived in what is now modern day Hungary approximately 900 bc (Gamba, Christian et al. (2014): Genome flux and stasis in a five millennium transect of European prehistory, p. 3, table 1).
I believe the Finns are a unique people who are definitely part of European culture. Being ethnically Russian I was always taught by my parents that they are brave and skillful people to respected.
Believe me northwest Indians and some nepalese are caucasian having r1A haplotype European genes and are closest to Europeans genetically. They are the descendants of indo European aryans who established indian civilization ancient indian civilization. Buddha for example was a Prince from the Sakhyan tribe of ancient Nepal and the Sakhyans were the descendants of indo European Sycthians who entered india along with the Acheneid Persian army of Cyrus the Great in 6th century bc.
We are made from Perkele. You Russians are magnificent bunch. We love your enthusiasm to the family and closness to your friends and own culture.
Thats only thing that matters. Perkele.
We are also genetically more part of european than most of europeans.
Scandinavians has most highest total european ancestry and finns are second.
Lithuanians has most north european ancestry and finns are second.
no mentions of the Finno-Korean Hyper War?
What's that?
@Batatz Batatatz English please
Lol
What the hell is happening in this comment section
duh we won it! Serral the night king defeated the koreans
Really cool, I'm Dutch and proud to have 3,3 % Finnish dna!
3,3 % Mongolian brotherhood. Grab your yurt, your horse and your composite bow.
Nice Video, I really like Finland and I've always wanted to visit Turku! I subscribed :)
Oh... okay I will go there instead. But honestly I'm used to being a minorty, I live in germany's most infamous no-go-area: Marxloh.
Ach du Heimatland You are welcome.
painu vittuun
There were many good point here and to someone who does not know Finnish history, a very good introduction. However, there were few points where there was either misunderstanding or wrong information.Avarion below already pointed out many issues but maybe it is worth repeating these in slightly different form. Firstly, the DNA result from Levänluhta only applies to that one site and does not mean that all of Finland would have been the same. Around 350 AD the Finnish culture was concentrated in the SW coast of Finland (today known as "Finland Proper") and would spread in the following centuries to inland and Karelia. On the other hand, only 10-20 km from Levänluhta there was a distinct culture concentrated on the river and coast that was using luxury Scandinavian swords and burying their chiefs in by burning them in long ships. This culture had their Golden Age in the migration period and they would disappear by the early Viking Age, around the time when land route to the eastern fur trade centers was replaced by the Eastern Way.As for Finns arriving as one tribe 2000 years ago, this migration theory has been displaced by the continuation theory already in the 1980's. It is now accepted, and this is backed by archeology, linguistics and genetics, that the ancestors of Finns have been there basically since the end of the last ice age. Of course there have been many newcomers but they have all contributed to the mix. However, Finnish as a language cannot have been present for that long but was adopted from one group or another at some point few thousand years ago. Then, for example battle axe conquerors, the Nordic Bronze Age migrants and the Scandinavian migrants that came from Eastern Sweden or Gotland during the older Roman Iron Age all were assimilated to the Finnic culture and adopted Finnish as their language. At the same time, Finns kept pushing the Sami northwards and assimilated some of them to their sedentary farming culture. At the same time, Karelians, who were originally migrants from Western Finland who had moved to the East to gain from the increased activity, got migrants from other Finnic tribes moving from Novgorod to get away from Slavic pressure. The same effect can be seen in Estonia where Veps graves start to appear at the same time. This happened at the same time when the Scandinavian elements of Novgorod were assimilated to Slavic society. This Eastern Finnic influence started the Golden Age of ancient Karelia which ended with first with its absorbion to Novgorod and then the division of Karelia between Novgorod and Sweden in 1323.Summa summarum, the whole ancient history of Finns is extremely complicated and the picture is still evolving. The excerpt you have about Levänluhta is only a "trailer" of the first result of the ancient DNA tests that have been taken recently and the samples from SW Finland dating to migration period, Merovingian Age and Viking Age will shed more light on the genetics of Finns during that time. Especially the rich burial grounds of Eura will be interesting. Unfortunately the acidic soil of Finland does not preserve any bones from stone age. There is only one skeleton known from stone age and that is from Åland islands where the soil is quite different
Thanks for the video, I LOVE Finland, probably my favourite country on Earth although Lithuania is my other favourite; I find it hard to pick really. Very informative.
my grandmother is sami and ojibwa (native American tribe) so she looks very different then most people where we live
I think the real question is, "Is anyone that is not a Finn white?"
Yes. Western europeans are not white in finnish perpective
Western Europeans are 100% west Eurasian unlike finns
About time to see you get serious about the FQ.
The FQ is the final red pill.
Yes the FINNISH QUESTION is the ultimate key to waking everyone out of their self induced matrix 😂😂😂
Finally someone makes a video presenting us Finns as the ultimate race of people.
No, just another group of people
Half Mongolian Half Asian
one of the races of all time
@@JohnSmith-is4uu what
Your videos inspire me so much! I am Lithuanian and Perkunas is our god of thunder, I so wish to find out more information about baltic pagan religion as well as baltic Slavic language. It’s hard to find good sources for the pagan religion though. I am amazed that perkele derrives from perkunas, kunigas is our word for priest.,need to start reading more books :)
You are very likely Asian mixed people.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Haplogrupo_N_(ADN-Y).PNG
Ebin Benis.
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Skege perkele :-DDDDDDD
Baras gomenddi, EBIN :DDDDD
I see the Finns as European. I like Finnish culture.
livingstranger
They Finnish the race
Nope
Since the Sweden crusade in 1250s we came
under west. Fights against east, inevitable...
@@northscrow9316
I have always considered us europeans because that is what we are. Every european nation has some degree of asian genes and over 90 % of finnish genes are western european.
What else would Finns be?
Having lived and many places in the world including Finland I have to say the language, genes and culture all are quite special and very interesting.
I find it so odd that finnish sounds so unique. Like everyone around them is either speaking some slavic type stuff or scandinavian type stuff and then all of a sudden elvish
Nice that you dedicated to the victims of the turku terrorattack, i like you and your videos.
@@kandamas r/woosh...
Wtf ?
Very interesting video. Im from Romania and I admire Finland. Keep up the good work.
Fins are Europeans, ore European than others. Europe has a meaning and Origin, some people think it relates to the western part of Europe, it does not.
a couple of corrections: after the ice age melted, the first people in finland were pure eastern hunter gatherers (EHG) as demonstrated by the findings from that time, for example peurasaari, the largest mesolithic cemetery of its time in the world... then during the mesolithic, the western hunter gatherers (WHG) came from estonia as demonstrated by many findings... this mixture was very similar to what a few thousand years later became the scandinavian hunter gatherer (SHG) in scandinavia. Then after the indo-european expansions, a slow influence of steppe-dna has been slowly mixing with finnish dna ever since. Then during the bronze age, the large asian populations started to have their slow genetic effect on finnish dna through siberia. This influence has been historically very slow and even today only about 5% of finnish dna comes from east asia. And this creates the modern finnish dna: around 5% asian dna, around 30% steppe dna and the rest being the largest still remaining pocket of the old eastern and western hunter gatherer dnas still remaining in europe.
They are my Nordic brothers and sisters. They are Europeans.
Its fun and all until you realized that the world is crap and that something which seemed innocent such as the phrase "they are european/not" could might as well lead to some very grisly occasions.
No we're not, fuck off Germanicuck.
@Ozzy Mandias They are nordic yes. They are not scandinavian tho
@@user-me7mm7gr1p lol, Nordic it's not only light eyes and hair. They east-baltid rase. Slavs and balts more Nordic than finns, really
@@llpllpolkjhti1691 Nordic = Germanic.
Unfortunately you got off to a bad start. Kalevala is NOT a religion, it's our National Epos. But the rest was very good and interesting, raises important consirderations and poits. Thanks, keep up the good work.
Eepos is translated as "Epic" yeah?
Well he did say it was similar to the nordic poetic edda, which isn't a "bible" of any sort
The Kalevala is a crude 20th century reconstruction of the old religion that was all but wiped out by the Swedes and their crusade. It is cobbled together from word of mouth tradition years after the fact. We lost much.
I'm a proud Finngolian. Finland is my City! I can't understand a word of sami. It's just jibberish to me. But when I hear Estonian, I can understand more than half of what is said. Estonians are just as Finngolian as we are, just more BASED (politically).
"Are Finns European?"
Well do they live in Europe?
There is more genetic variation between western and eastern Finns than between Finns and other north european nationalities.
@@2009Infidel
The Finns essentially are the Sami. The languages diverged on the landmass of Finland as late as 2000-1000 BC. The Finnish language is a mix of Earlyprotofinnic (a language that both the ancestors of the Sami and Finns spoke) and Germanic loan words caused by immigration to the coastal areas.
What does that sentence even mean? How can a combination of two genetically different groups be more identical to a third group, but individually less identical with each other?
@@polybian_bicycle "The Finns essentially are the Sami. The languages diverged on the landmass of Finland as late as 2000-1000 BC." Both of your sentances are utter nonsense. True, the separation of Proto-Finnic from Proto-Samic has been dated to the 1st millennium
BC, but it definitely did not happen in the present day Finland, but somewhere to the South East of it. The Finnic (or Balto-Finnic to be exact) people started to arrive in Finland (from South) about 2500 years ago only to discover that their relatives - the Samic people were already there having taken a different (i.e. Northern) route.
@@vulc1
Obviously this is a contentious issue, of which we can't say anything for certain, but the books I've read on the subject say that the separation happened in the landmass of present day Finland due to the influence of Baltic trade and immigration to the coastal areas of southern Finland by people from Germanic and Baltic speaking areas. Why are the Finns basically the Sami? Well, because they share this history and because the Sami that lived in areas where their Fennoized cousins moved to, they settled too, became farmers, and became Finns too. If you go back far enough in any Finn's, you will find a Sami ancestor there.
@@polybian_bicycle Genetic testing shows that Finns as a people are very different from the Sami, the languages have the same origin, but Finns as a people are much more similar to Northern Germanics than the Sami are. There's been some amount of mixing between the Finns and the Sami, true, but to say they're "essentially the same" is about as accurate as saying german people are essentially italian
I'll watch this tomorrow (today - it's morning) but i feel like we are.
Thanks for speaking of this topic, and bringing Finland so many people's attention. 💟👑
well, its Ukko ylijumala. at times just "Ukko"
Ukko = man, (or the old god)
Jumala = god
Haenko metsästä vitsan? niin näytän ukon raivon.
@@user-ce6iy2nw5o No, Jumala was the name of a for a while influential god and with time the word became the general name for a god. Jma, Jumis, just like Perkonas, Perkele, perun etc. A lot of versions over thousands of years.
I am a Serb woman from the Balkans, as well as all my family! My Dna test shows that I have a 1.1% Finnish dna and 98.9 the Balkans! No one in the family can not explain the phenomenon.
these dna test are obvious scams
Do not know The real answer but 2000 years ago finno-ugrians, hungarians and bulgars lived quite near in northern east Russia..
The closest neighbours for finno-ugric Murom tribe (near Vladimir) were bulgars
@@911Maci True because most of europeans have same genes. FINNS have LOT of germanic Dna. Actually closest europeans Dna after Estonians and swedes are north germans/dutch.
Keep doing good habits.
@@Bigpapiofficial933
Our former president marshal Mannerheim was actually by heritage more flamish-swedish than a finn. If you study also swedish dna you can find out that there is no pure germanic swedish. Actually swedish have more slavic dna than finns presently have. Caused by viking wars when they took slavic (wendis) slaves.
So if you read first book Homo Fennicus, then you are wiser.
Even today. The official word for thunderstorm in Finland is Ukonilma or Ukkosmyrsky translated to Ukko's weather or Ukko's storm.
In English it's "Thunder's storm", the storm of Thunder (aka Donar aka Thor in Scandinavia)
@@mihanich In Swedish, thunder is "åska" which (probably) comes from old Norse ás-eykja, meaning basically "The God's ride", most definitely referring to Thor riding his chariot.
First things first - I did watch the video (it was well made with effort put into it), and I do not mean to attack the person who made it - rather, I just don't see the point in the whole "are Finnish European" (it's not something that the person who made this video came up with, obviously; it goes way back). I've researched my family history as far as I can reliably go for a family tree project that was made for my grandmother - I've always had an interest in history with years of studying it, and the family tree project was very interesting with records for it coming even from countries distant to Finland - but the thought of whether or not I'm "European" never crossed my mind as I went through all the ancestors that I could spanning century after century: whether or not I'm "European" for someone doesn't make me anything but the person that I am in Finland - it's enough for me being the person that I am without having to fit someone's or another's definition.
We all orginate from outside of europe, so in that sense there are no such thing as a european. In regards to "are finnish european", it's not really an insulting question. A bunch of finnic people look a little asian, so it's only natural to wonder about it.
@@sirkkusalomaa4644 that is such an ignorant take europeans are the natives of Europe
@@sirkkusalomaa4644 No, real Europeans are native. Out of Africa is bunk theory. Blue eyes is only about 10.000 years old. That's native European and they've always been in Europe.
@@illegalewahrheiten2911 we all come from one common source, and we've got human remains in africa much much older than other places in the world. Remove politics and opinions, they poison the well of history
My granddaughters are 1/2 Finnish from my daughter in law’s side and from our side, Scots Irish..with a bit of French thrown in. My beautiful daughter in law looks like an old friend of mine who from Swedish..one of those tall, gorgeous blondes..I call them Vikings...😊and my granddaughters both look Scandinavian...but my son is also blonde and blue eyes...and he’s mostly Irish and Scottish...but I love the Finns...because I adore my granddaughters and they could only come from the best!
Stop racial admixture!
The Beautiful Ones why? So,it’s not ok to say someone is beautiful? Expressing admiration for beauty in any form is perfectly normal....find something real to complain about...I’m referring to nationalities....not races...
Shaxx gee thanxx Shaxx , for straightening me out on that matter but I’ve read that indeed some Finns wereVikings also...they were so close that their cultures did mix at times..
Shaxx this is actually very interesting...thanks for the history lesson...when I had my DNA done I was predominantly Irish and next Scandinavian...I wondered if that was from the Vikings invading Scotland and Ireland...I’ll share this with my grandkids...blonde mongols huh? 😊 they both look very Finnish just from looking at pictures of Finnish people...
@Shaxx The only real racial difference beetween West and East Finns seems to be the haplogroup, and that doesn't tell much about your racial makeup (Regards STJ), besides you see typical Finnic phenotype everywhere, even in the West, and it sure doesn't have much Asiatic left, lol.
As a drummer, the fact that the words Perkele and percussion come from the same root makes me happy.
T.his controversy about being or not european is completly artificial .First of all the borders of Europe are rather dubious. Second, the old european languajes don´t belong to the indo-european family. The basques that represent one of the eldest population speak an agglutinative language ando not an indoeuropean language. Third the caucasian white type exist even in borders of China. Fourth, the Old Norse People, the siberians left their genes all over the place in the Eurasian Steppe. And the religion is imported from Levant and south Asia
"like" - unless the reference to the import of religion from south asia is meant to support some hindu nationalist theory.
We all originate from outside of europe anyways, so the whole notion of what a european is are largely opinion-based, and thus can't be resolved. How I see it personally, if you live in europe and follow european culture, are you not a european?
@@sirkkusalomaa4644 I'd say the differences put it on a spectrum between the two cultures / continents. obviously it falls closer to European but I believe it is enough to be considered as different.
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I am from Japan and my mother became friends with a woman from Finland when I was elementary. The Finnish person was a missionary living by herself in Japan for many years. She told my mother that the DNA roots of the Finns are Asia. I heard that 35 years ago when I was little.
**** **** not really true as I said
Awesome video, we need more info of our roots because no one cares about it these days and this stuff is not teached in our schools much, just some small parts like how people lived 1000-2000 years ago and what Kalevala is but not much else, greetings from Finland
Are you Pagan?