Baha'i Blogcast with Rainn Wilson - Ep.48: A Declaration of the Bab Conversation with Nader Saiedi
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- Hello and welcome to the Baha’i Blogcast with me your host, Rainn Wilson.
In this series of podcasts I interview members of the Baha’i Faith and friends from all over the world about their hearts, and minds, and souls, their spiritual journeys, what they’re interested in, and what makes them tick.
In this special episode, I speak with Dr. Nader Saiedi about the Declaration of the Bab, whose revitalizing message prepared the way for the coming of Baha’u’llah, the Founder of the Baha’i Faith.
Dr. Saiedi is a Professor of Baha’i Studies in the department of Near Eastern Languages and Cultures at the University of California, USA, and has focused much of his work on the Life and Works of the Bab. I hope you enjoy this special conversation about the Declaration of the Bab.
To find out more about Dr. Nader Saiedi and some of the things we covered in this podcast, check out the following links:
* You can find out more about Dr. Nader Saiedi here: www.researchbahai.com/
* You can also listen to our interview with Dr. Saiedi on our earlier Baha'i Blogcast episode here: www.bahaiblog.net/2017/08/bah...
* Dr. Saiedi is the author of 'Logos and Civilization': amzn.to/2T8A6g4 and 'Gate of the Heart': amzn.to/3bBfD9V
* You may also be interested in these talks by Dr. Nader Saiedi:
- From World War to World Peace: bahaiblog.net/site/2017/06/wor...
- Text and Context in the Baha’i Heroic Age (this is a series of 11 talks): / nader-saiedi-text-and-...
- Baha'u'llah & Peace (this is a series of 4 talks): www.bahaiblog.net/2019/02/bah...
- Fire & Light in the Bab's Tablet: www.bahaiblog.net/2016/11/dr-...
- Identity and the Spiritual Journey in the Badi Calendar: www.bahaiblog.net/2015/04/ide...
* For more information and Baha'i-inspired content about the Declaration of the Bab, please visit this special resource page: www.bahaiblog.net/bahai-calen...
* You can read the full transcripts of this episode here: www.scribd.com/document/47639...
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Wonderful and brief summary of the principles of the Báb at 56:40. Thanks for whole, inspiring interview!
Mr. Saiedi...I live in Iowa. I'm retired and 66 years old. I have been a Baha'i for 34 years. Two years ago I was travel teaching in the Western States on a motorcycle. In Central Washington State, in a very remote area, I met a woman about 35 at a small cafe. As we talked and I introduced the Faith she lit up. She had been a student of yours. So, we are teaching partners!
great interview rainn and nader, one day i want to join you gentlemen in blogcast and share many important bahai talks/perspectives
Mind blown....he is an amazing scholar and such a humble soul....thanks for having him on the blogcast Rainn.
Thanks to both you , I hope Dr Saeidi come back and explain more about this topic
I have been a Baha’i my whole life, and I do t use this phrase very often, but this talk absolutely blew my mind. I have been finding every bit of material on Dr saiedi that I can since
He is one of the purest scholars that exist. Very humble and an absolute genius
So glad you enjoyed it! In case you missed these, here's a recent series of talks Dr. Saiedi gave about the Persian Bayan: th-cam.com/play/PLePDtgwcyKATt9ltsh0C8h4HHKEXfaP60.html
This is profound interview !
I love the metaphor of the tree of life. The perspective fruits of the tree. Giving birth to a noble humanity. Now we must recognize each religions fruit from the same tree. Become one. Human kind.
Wow! Thus interview is mind blowing. ☀️
This is pure beauty. Truly thankful Rain.
Thank you for the great interview!
Is it possible to message Mr. Rainn Wilson privately? I am wondering if he can help us with a project
Wow! More of this enlightening conversation please.
Fascinating talk, thank you so much for bringing this clarity on so many things...
This talk was so helpful and enlightening. I really appreciated it, and I learned so much. Dr. Saiedi does such a wonderful job of explaining things fully and contextualizing them but in a way that isn't overly complicated if you're not a scholar. Thank you so much Baha'i Blog for all you do to create such wonderful, helpful, and enriching content.
You're most welcome Lauren! Thanks for your support and encouragement! :)
Very enlightening
Thanks so much dear Rainn and Dr saidi
I would love to hear him talk on Sunni doctrine about the return of Muhammad and Jesus. Excellent talk. Confirming and educational. Thanks Rainn!
In Islam , Muhammad (pbuh) does not return , it is Jesus (pbuh) that returns .
Both are prophets and messengers of god . Muhammad is the last messenger .
I’m a Muslim and although the Baha’i faith goes against many of the fundamental principles and teachings of Islam , I still respect there right to follow.
Islam does not allow force conversion and religion is optional .
I thank you so much for this interview about the Declaration of the Bab. Amazing new information and understanding. I appreciate it very much. Warmest Baha'i greetings from San Antonio, Texas
Thank you so much for your kind words -- we're so glad you enjoyed it and found it helpful!
This is terrific! So educational and uplifting. Thank you Nader and Rainn.
Thank you, Rainn and Nader!
You're most welcome and thanks for your support! :)
From kenya, Matete cluster, i like this talk.
Thank you both for this beautiful& informative conversation 🙏🏽 happy Holy Day🌹
Loving all these conversations. Thank you so much!! I also really enjoy the interviews with artists - actors, peformers, writers...would love also to see more of those.
You're most welcome! And thanks for your support! You can find the Baha'i Blogcast with Rainn Wilson playlist here: th-cam.com/play/PLePDtgwcyKAQmifUJTw0Kk-hBGL2ZGMJi.html
I wish he would talk about the Declaration of Bab
*mind-blowing conversation*
I am excited!! Good start of questions...
Thank you both
You're most welcome! Thanks for your support and encouragement! :)
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Hi Bahai Blog...thanks for sharing these interesting interviews. Just a humble suggestion...it would be great if you add subtittles! Thanks a lot
Hi Juan! Thanks for the suggestion! We really appreciate it! Unfortunately, owing to a lack of human resources, we simply weren't able to create subtitles. Relying on the subtitles or captions that TH-cam could generate is really problematic, especially when it comes to Baha'i content and the titles the Bab and Baha'u'llah and other names of people and places. However, if you or someone you know is in a position to type up the subtitles for us, we'd really, really appreciate the help. If you have any questions about the process you can email us at editor@bahaiblog.net Thanks so much for watching!
Just read Nader Saeidis book, “Gate of the head”
@@raminpcccq Thanks for the message, but the book is called 'Gate of the Heart': amzn.to/30Kn2At
Hi Juan! A wonderful volunteer transcribed this episode for us. You can read the transcript here: www.scribd.com/document/476399968/Transcripts-Baha-i-Blogcast-With-Rainn-Wilson-Ep-48-a-Declaration-of-the-Bab-Conversation-With-Nader-Saiedi
@@BahaiBlog Rainn, I can help you if you want, there are human resources if you want.
Oh wow!!! ✨
Baha'i Consultation as a higher form of communication and government, personal and collective.
I would appreciate some subtitles
In defense of Nietzsche, he was appalled at the apparent death of God and died insane with that grief.
Everything evolve because the reality of things in this world is reflection of emanation from the world of God. So does religion it’s dynamic and progressive. Not one people have been given the finality of religion. Reality of religion is beyond the limitations of names and ages because God is infinitive. So after Baha’i revelation- there would be many more revelations will come in the future. All belong to me as an individual is my own faith in God.
Please subtitles, Thank you
Was The Bab waiting for Mullah Hussein at the gate of the city?
Hi Claire! Yes the Bab was waiting for Mulla Hussein.
48:00 So Mulla Husayn is not just a believer but a knower of God. I am convinced that it is no longer sufficient for us to just wish, hope, want, think or believe; but to know, even if only to know what we don't know - certain or not but assured and sure.
How come the acceptance of the Báb's wife of His Station (which happend before the Declaration to Mulla Husayn) isn't the beginning of the Faith or at least more greatly promoted as being the first believer?
Hi Kolya! That's a really great question! These are just a few of my personal thoughts. It is my understanding that many people recognized the Bab and Baha'u'llah prior to Their public declarations. In the first volume of The Revelation of Baha'u'llah, Adib Taherzadeh compares Baha'u'llah before He entered the Garden of Ridvan as a cloth covered lamp. Those who were spiritually attuned could see the light seeping through but once Baha'u'llah announced His Station, it was as if the cloth had been lifted. I am assuming it was a similar with the Bab and other Manifestations of God. This doesn't necessarily negate the recognition of followers of the Bab or Baha'u'llah who knew of Their Stations prior to Their declaration but it places a different type of role or distinction on what it meant to become a follower of the Bab and Baha'u'llah after They declared. If you'd like to read a little more, you might enjoy this article on Baha'i Blog called "The Other Witnesses: Hadijih Bagum and Maji Mubarak at the Declaration of the Bab" (www.bahaiblog.net/2018/05/witnesses-khadijih-bagum-haji-mubarak-declaration-bab/) and for more information about the special spiritual distinction held by Khadijih Bagum, I definitely recommend checking out the book Leaves of the Twin Divine Trees by Baharieh Ma'ani (amzn.to/2X9ERag). Thanks for your great question and thanks for listening! - Sonjel (A Baha'i Blog team member)
@@BahaiBlog good answer, and thanks for the links!
If I understood it properly, Bab revealed His station to His wife. It didn’t seem like she was necessarily searching. However, the scenario of Mullah Hussein , has the application of conscious search and the entering into an intellectual conversation where proof was presented. And all the other dimensions that Mr. Saidi explained here. This dispensation is a new chapter in humanity’s spiritual maturity and it “begins “ by human entering into a discourse with God and being treated as equal almost by the Manifestation, rather then the top down approach of the past, due to humanity’s immaturity. Again, that’s just my imperfect understanding.
Can anyone tell how time was measured on those time with regard of absence of clocks with regard of being mullah husayn realizing 2hours and 11 minutes that a new dawn broke.🙏
Hi Simin, I'm not a clock expert, but various types of clocks have been around for a very long time. According to Wikipedia, the pendulum clock for instance, was invented in 1656, and there were many other forms of clocks used in various parts of the world before and after that. This also included watches as well, and the first European watch maker for instance, arrived in Persia in the late 1500s. I hope this helps a little, and I'm sure you could also look into it a as well.
1:13:50 Many a Jacob searching for his Joseph.
1:06:00 Doesn't the fact that Mullah Husayn was able to remain conscious in the presence of direct Revelation from God indicate his super-human station?
We are reluctant to categorize divine and sacred figures, but symbolically in the Bab's Dispensation, the Bab is like the Sun, and Quddus is like the Moon. In Baha'u'llah's Dispensation, Baha'u'llah is like the Sun, and Abdu'l-Baha is like the Moon. All others are like satellites, essentially human. That is my personal take.
Ruhullah had fainted upon seeing Bahaullah reveal verses live.
HAPPY NAW RUZ 178
Wait , rain Wilson is Bahai?
Mehran Zanjani yes
Yes! :) Here's an interview we did with him: www.bahaiblog.net/2013/11/an-interview-with-bahai-actor-rainn-wilson/ and here's the Baha'i Blogcast with Rainn Wilson podcast series: th-cam.com/play/PLePDtgwcyKAQmifUJTw0Kk-hBGL2ZGMJi.html
What is the proof of the Bab's and Baha'u'llah's claim to be a messenger of God? Aside from he himself declaring it, is there any actual evidence? I have been struggling with this for some time now, and would like to hear your thoughts. Thanks.
It is interesting that you mentioned Mulla Hussein by being a Martyr symbolized the Nur which Emma Ali has referred to this as fifth stage of Truth.....
Is it right to assume that Mulla Husain for being the First believer accomplished the station of “Nur”
and became a light to shed light on truth of appearance of 12th Imam.?
Go to this section of this talk th-cam.com/video/6jPN99xQLOs/w-d-xo.html
It's the Revealed works of the Bab and Baha'u'llah and Their life that is the evidence for their claim. Baha'is don't accept Them simply because They claimed Messengerhood. It's the unhuman-ness (supernatural if you will) of the beauty and truth of the world transforming worldview that is revealed by these Figures. Not some physical miracle that They may have performed.
Great question. I have been exploring this too. The people who recognize the Bab must have done so independently , one recognized his station without even meeting him, but through a dream. I would encourage reading the story including the early believers called “Letters of the Living”
What is the proof of the Bab and Baha’u’llah’s claim to be a messenger of God? They are exactly the same proofs as Jesus or Muhammad’s claim. During the lifetime especially of Jesus 99.9% of people didn’t see any proof and they denied Him. For those whose hearts are open the proofs are clear as day. As with Muhammad, whose greatest proof is the Quran, the greatest proof of all Messengers is the revealed Word of God. As with Jesus there were many miracles of the Bab noted, including the miracle that occurred when the Bab gave His life like Jesus did, although miracles were were never emphasized as proof.
No time for a long answer, so: the proof is the same in all divine Messengers of God, amen!
1%... really?
One might wonder why more haven't been translated and made available.
All religions and religious books are man-made. Live and let live.
That’s accepted as true statement.
Yet IF, a man claims that the Book and Religion was inspired by a higher power he calls God, that truth is acceptable as well.
@@NG-fv5go No it is not. Beware of con artists who use God and religion to harm people. Look at what Islam has done to Bahais in Iran and other people on this planet. There is a difference between an objective truth and a delusion.
"Revelation is from God" and "Revelation is man-made": both are beliefs. It is not a matter of science but of faith. Science only proves or disproves the material or physical phenomena, but God, the soul, faith, Revelation, etc. are metaphysical phenomena.