How Killers Of The Flower Moon Differs From The True Story
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- What really happened in Osage County all those years ago? Here are the shocking details "Killers of the Flower Moon" left out. Spoilers ahead!
#KillersoftheFlowerMoon #TrueStory #Movie
Book vs film | 0:00
History of the Osage | 1:27
Hale and Burkhart's ages | 3:05
Osage names | 4:35
Spending habits | 5:57
Anna's murder | 7:35
Osage burial customs | 8:54
Anna's baby | 10:26
The Masons | 11:45
Government corruption | 13:20
What Ernest knew | 14:58
Mollie's whereabouts | 16:31
Private investigators | 17:45
Tom White | 19:11
The founding of the FBI | 20:25
The radio show | 21:49
The scope of the conspiracy | 22:56
Voiceover by: Jacent Jackson
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Do you think the movie did this story justice?
DiCaprio should've played Tom White.
But he just love's, to play the villian.
@@Unsweetened8618Plimmons would have been perfect as Earnest.
He sure would've, DiCaprio don't fit that Villains archetype.
Nah
@@Unsweetened8618Leo wanted to play the more complicated character Hale is the biggest villain
We need to include more of these stories in our American History education. I'm 60 and have never heard of the Osage.
I had family in Osage County documented from 1900-the late 1950’s, including living in Gray Horse and Fairfax, and I hadn’t heard much about this until I read the book.
@@debbielinhart3823 I was born & raised in Hominy & knew many Osage, including my best friend. I’m about to turn 70 but I’d never heard about it until I read the book! My grandparents’ property was separated from the “Indian Village” by a ditch.
It's up to the American people to learn more about their history and not rely just on what they learn from school. Most schools in America omit a ton of America's horrific past, as it doesn't look good for the country. You'd never find stories like this in any American public school book. Educate yourself
we arent taught to want to learn for ourselves. and thats by design @@kassinwonderland22
I live in Oklahoma, moved here my sophomore year of high school, and I am always astounded by how little people outside of this state know about Native American history. We did not learn a lot in school, but any means, but it seems like there is even less taught throughout the country. It is sad and, honestly, a real loss. The history and people are fascinating.
There is another story that is missing from the movie. My Great Grandfather William W Vaughan was helping the Osage gather evidence of the murders. He was working with a man named Big Heart. There is a cameo appearance of Big Heart in the movie. My Great Grandfather was murdered on a train he was taking from Oklahoma city with the evidence. he had gathered after he went to Big Hearts deathbed. (Poisoned) This left his wife with 10 children. His business partner stole the evidence and all the money he had left for her. The Osage raised my grandfather and his brothers and fed the family, after his murder.
These mason put their names and symbols on everything they touch. See * Mason Mafia the business of crime. *
The native was forced onto reservation concentration camps then murdered one at a time by the mason. Hitler was a mason
See ( icanto quartet the sound of silence )
I just read about this, they threw him from the train as he was taking the evidence to washington?
He was found with a broken neck, that's insane that was your grandfather. So sorry it wasn't included in the movie.
@@joelcannan7686 yes they was killers, according to history books Mr.Charles Dawes the dawes commissioner in charge if auditing the list of who ... Is on rolls. Personnaly shot 1000 native children. Which made him go deaf in both ears... How can a person in charge of hearing the Evidence be 100% Deaf in both ears??? And do a good job of hearing the evidence. Adolph Hitler wanted to be like Charles Dawes.
I'm glad you added this comment. I just finished the book and know that there are so many people actually affected and this video just shows the "big names'. My condolences for your lost of a very important and dynamic person of history.
The book starts off with the murder of Ana. Also the entire back history of Tom White and his significance to the story is missing. Not to mention the entire history of the FBI and every dealing with J. Edgar Hoover. But I see from a cinematic perspective, focusing more of the love story between Ernest and Mollie would make more sense. The book is full of detail and backstory that would be hard to fully translate for a film adaptation, even if the movie is over 3 hours LONG!!! But I found both to be good in their own way. Both however pay homage and respects to the Osage and the terrible horrors that were inflicted upon them.
I’m glad you mentioned this. I haven’t read the book and I had planned to read it before seeing the film, because I always prefer to read the book first. I took my daughter and her friends theater for them to see a movie and I saw this film was playing so I jumped on opportunity since I was going to be at the theater.
The film was long, 3.5 hours and it was done really well. It didn’t seem like the film dragged or that the runtime was unnecessary. I still left feeling like there was more to the story and more I needed to know like it was as only brushing the surface of the injustices that occurred. I plan on reading the book soon and hope it will add even more context to the story.
People really seem to forget that it’s not a documentary but an adaptation of a story…
Loosely based on a true story. 🧐
So, it’s not obvious that indigenous Native American Tribes were exterminated…🙇🏻♀️🤔. My Tribe in Northern California has documented history of the attempted Extermination and yes, we endured the Termination ERA which was a legitimate Law. 🙋🏻♀️🇺🇸
@@530MAIDU Comfort, convenience, and profit engender a highly skewed or suppressed history that we readily swallow.
The way the west was not, is burned into our personal and national consciousness nonetheless. We continue to destroy peoples and nations over oil as we did in 1953 when we installed the Shah in Iran. Iran is the Frankenstein we created. And we have alienated the Arab nations except for about 2,000 members of the house of Saud in Arabia. Up to 3 trillion dollars are concentrated in that small group.
In the scene were the assassin puts the gun the woman's hand, my first thought was that his fingerprints were still on the gun. But, the FBI just starting up, fingerprinting was not a thing yet.
And even if the fingerprint is a thing, I assume the cops in that city were also corrupt and working with Hale to cover it up. This is just my observation based on what the movie show
Sybil Bolton 💗
@@L16htW4rr10r "She must've stolen my gun"
Film was amazing. The 3.5 hours literally flew by. It was not boring at all.
GO see it!
Yes, GO SEE IT!!! 👍👍‼️
Agreed. It was great film. It was crazy to me that such a long film still only seemed to touch the surface of all the injustice suffered by the Osage. Don’t get me wrong I think it was done well, but the film made me want to explore the matter further because of the magnitude of the crimes, the level of corruption, and sheer number of victims and perpetrators involved. I will have to read the book. I had planned to read it prior to the film because I usually like to do the book first but I didn’t get to it yet.😊
Book was better, go read it
Just watched the movie and it was eye opening. Truly monstrous acts that were done to them. I have to say DeNiron and Dicaprio earned Oscar noms. Now Lily Gladstone on the other hand, if she does not get an Oscar nomination it will be an absolute travesty. She was absolutely breathtaking. I don't think I've ever felt so bad for a person the way I felt bad for Mollie Kyle. The way I rooted for Hale and Ernest to get caught.
Mollie is full blooded indigenous in reality, yet is played by a white women who claims to have a small percentage of indigenous blood. Stop white washing characters, surely there’s plenty of actual indigenous actresses who could’ve taken that part. Or at least find someone who is half indigenous, rather than someone who is 2% indigenous ancestry. There’s loads of Latina actresses who have genuine indigenous ancestry
@@erzylopeztbh it's not about the general public ignoring it. it's more about the people in charge education system failing to teach it.
Hale was a segregationist and an influential member of the Democratic Party in Osage County. He had considerable influence over the local Osage County prosecutor. During his election campaign, the prosecutor sought Hale's endorsement and after receiving it won every precinct near Hale's ranch.
The film really didn't leave much out at all. I was familiar with the story before seeing it and was impressed with how much of it they covered
Actual names, Who the Oil Barrons were that supported the murder, facts, white supremecy and the KKK. But sure, only that was left out.
Considering the popularity of this video alone, I think the film has brought respectable attention to the history.
That crap still goes on today.
That part
yea
I would say that the one complaint I had with the movie was it glossed over the part these major corporations played in swindling the Osage out of their mineral rights and fortunes. There is a documentary in the works that Leo and his father are producing that is supposed to explore this further and also look at what happened to the Osage after the time period of the murders.
so it still shows that leo is willing to do whatever for movies but honestly knows the truth so that he will then make more money from his documentary....???Hale???
Holy s**t, that was insane. And at the same time of the Tulsa massacre. The bigger concern was: if the blacks and native Americans started working together, the status quo would flip.
It's so damn horrible wat they went thru, it's their land and they got prosecuted for them. It's absolutely disgusting n horrible wat they endured
*what
Lily Gladstone should get an Oscar for her role.
Now an Indigenous Director needs to follow-up with an Origin movie...
By taking the story back further and tell it from the Osage perspective, their voices,their story...this needs to be told..showing their strengths and courage during this time...
The Legacy:
Then there needs to be another movie that takes the story from the 1930s to present day,incorporating the challenges the families and the Osage faced to move into the future...The Legacy,their strength to survive and thrive...
Please get this project funded!
Leo DiCaprio and his dad are helping to produce a documentary about what happened to the Osage after the time period of the movie.
The book contained a lot more information about the brutal murders that took place. Scorsese has never shied away from violence in his films but wow, some of the book is like wow… heartbreaking. Sometimes I wish maybe Apple had made this into a ten episode limited series instead of the film but still love the film - hope lots of people see this important work, and take it upon themselves to learn more about Indigenous peoples went through.
It was a great movie that shared this untold story for many to include me. A movie will never cover all aspects of what happened but we must appreciate the effort here to do so.
This wasn’t the first book…another one was written in the early 1990’s called “Deaths of Sybil Bolton”. That book was written by the subject’s son or grandson as I recall.
Thanks for this video.
I knew that something was missing in the film n this video exposed it very well .
Real history cannot be ignored because it's the heart of both the book n film !!!
The movie can t be a documentary. If it stays true along the big lines and has made you curious enough about the story, it has reached its purpose.
According to the book, Killers Of The Flower Moon.
Absolutely
In my personal opinion the real flaw was focusing so much on the villains and not the Osage. I personally didn’t feel the weight of the tragedy as much as I should. I already knew the story going into the film but the film wasn’t emotional enough to me. Choosing not to Focus on the Osage and how they felt during that time misses a huge opportunity to convey real emotion. The film was missing that element. The fall out of Molly and her husband was also glossed over and short because she was sick and he went to prison and there was not much in between that and the trial. So while I did like the film for what it was it was lacking in that department.
Fantastic film.
Scorsese worked with the Osage to make this film he didn't just rely on the book.
"Ernest Burkhart is the anti-hero of the story"
If you believe this even slightly you don't understand this story whatsoever
EDIT: Because this seems to be a confusing comment, I'm saying he's the villain. Nothing "heroic" about him, even in an anti-sense
So what u think that Ernest was actually a good person who was only manipulated by his uncle ? ? Ernest is just as evil as his uncle. He made every single choice n knew what the outcome will be
An interpretation is he was in denial and lied to himself. My history teaching is that none of them were redemptive
@@JM-ex2lj He's the villain of the story. Nothing heroic about him.
Scorsese has made documentarys such as "lighting in a bottle"...but this film is no documentary it's based on a time & place with some romance to boot and the brilliance & art of a Scorsese film
His art is in the right place.
They should've mentioned the Tulsa Massacre (1921) happened around the same time to give some context to the mentality of the _people_ of Oklahoma.
it's in the movie
It was mentioned in the movie.
Is in the movie. They saw footage of the massacre in a movie theater at one moment. And they mentioned in another.
Lily Gladstone is stupendous! She absolutely deserves the Oscar!
Scorsese wanted to tell Mollie and Earnest's complicated story and not a story about the FBI coming to the rescue that has been done
Still happening to this day. On that note: Free Leonard Peltier!
A story that needed to be told
The question I would like answered is why did the Osage women marry white men? Prior to discovery of oil on their land most white men wanted to either kill Natives, or stick them on the Rez, they sure were not marrying them. Once the oil was discovered though all these white guys start showing up and wanting to get with Osage women. Even the tribal elder pretty much points this out about 2/3 through the movie but the question is never answered.
It's called 'grooming' : make a woman feel desirable, profess your undying love, attention and attraction, make her believe the rest of the world is up in arms and you are her only solace..and there you go
@@QoSabKuch That makes no sense in the context of the situation, none whatsoever.
I would think they were seduced by these young men and made to feel more spechial and comfortable in the white man's world.
The glamor of the 20's and the newness of wealth and luxury with the determined young men flowering them with non stop attention has a way to young women's hearts.
Women never want to believe that they are being used when they are swept off their feet and in love. I'm sure it was mutual for some, but not all.
@@luvdylanstar I did not look at it that way, probably because I figured as natives that would be less important. I failed to realize Natives are human and not some magical beings immune to such petty desires but you are likely correct. I guess humans gonna human, gonna get mine before ya get yours.
THAT is the question that kept going through my mind. WTF?
Movie is definitely worth a watch, but I wish it was told from Mollie’s eyes instead of Ernest’s.
Job well done. The actors did great worl
The film is a masterpiece! Obviously, all details cannot be covered in a movie. The book inspired the movie, we can be thankful that the movie was produced, rather than bypassed by lesser film makers.
Why are most comments blocked
good film
What was the name of the book again?
In fact, William J. Burns was the first director of the Bureau of Investigation (later FBI) from 1921 to 1924. He was succeeded by J. Edgar Hoover.
But Hoover just sucked everything up.
I grew up near Osage Co and sure dont remember this being mentioned in Oklahoma History class. Then again, I didn't pay a lot of attention in class so....
The whole point of the movie is to not bring in the white savior trope and valorize FBI like you literally told in your video. Nobody cared about Osage murders until the white men started getting murdered as well. Portraying Leo as Tom White would've made him the hero and not let us sympathize with the injustice that has happened. You forgot to mention how many Osage murders(close to 30) were never solved. Also, most of the accused never fully served their life sentence and how originally these crimes are punishable by execution while Hale conveniently got released much earlier with his "life sentence".
He was pardoned by a President who grew up in that area.
Even to a degree Anne murder consider unsolved but the story is out there about the atrocity
@DarkNJuju Ernest was pardoned by the Governor years later. Satan Hale was paroled later on. All them terrorists should"ve never seen the day light
I will be the first to see this when it's released on digital. There is no way I can sit in a theatre for over 4 hours (with previews).
Movies are storytelling. Not news broadcasts. . Scorsese didn't make a documentary, he's telling a story, the primary goal of a feature filmmaker. This video harps on real life details that are not relevant to the story being told and were they to be included in the film, would simply muddy up the story the filmmakers are telling. This video doesn't seem to
understand the difference.
It's a movie, not a documentary. It would have been difficult to include historical aspects of the book in a dramatic film without unnecessary exposition since all that info is stuff the characters already know, and have no need to ever voice to another character in the film.
Only difference between real story and the movie is that the actual story is only 30 mins longer.
How many Osage are homeless because of this type of behavior
Perhaps we need film bio of Tom White. According to the book, he led a really interesting life. Perhaps a dramatization similar to what is being done for Bass Reeves.
Yea because all we need is yet another mythologizing of a white person.
After watching dicaprio play so many different roles you can see a lot of the mannerisms of his older characters in ernest. You see a little bit of ernie grape. Theres other characters too. Too many to name.
Well done presentation in contrasting the book by David Grann and what was true in the movie and what was not. Too bad the movie did not give Tom White and his team more of a story line, and instead inserted some false narratives such as the Masonic scene. Also, too bad that younger actors were not used in the movie. What is admirable is that Martin Scorsese did involve the Osage to be involved in telling their story.
What is Lily Gladstone’s indigenous status in the Blackfeet tribe? Or in any federally recognized tribe?
None of us were there.
IT'S NOT A DOCUMENTARY, FOLKS. IT'S BASED ON HISTORICAL NARRATIVE. YOU WANT A DOCUMENTARY, RAISE THE FUNDS AND MAKE ONE.
Ok you dont have to say the tittle 1000 times We got it
You mean the book Killers of the Flower Moon
😂😂😂😂
What a whiny baby
Molly looked absolutely nothing like the real Molly. We can start with that.
Marlon and Shawn Wayans looked nothing like white women. Can we start with that?
@@davidcopson5800 Yes but Marlon and Shawn are comedians. Killing of Flower Moon is based off of real life events
Please read A Pipe for February by Charles Red Corn. This book captures the Pipe scene.
Where is my Blu-ray?
Never heard of it
Read the book and you will get the background to the movie, which is essential to understand that it was the entire society feeding off the Osage's wealth. It went to the very top.
Why do they keep critizing the action of these victims . think about how mean and irrational a persons acts when their sick from being poisoned and drugged with highly addictive drugs and it is in the medicine and water and booze and the meat.
It would have made it a mini series
in real live mollie was 6 years older than ernest. di carpio is 12 years older than gladstone. gladstone is mollie's age, di caprio is too old to play ernest. ernest was in his mid 20's when he married mollie , di caprio is almost 50 years old.
Who cares?
Morrison.. hmmm.
Is this movie good like other Martin Scorcese movies?
Just came back to Fairfax from Tulsa from watching it ,YES it's worth spending the 3 hrs 26 min, there was a 10 min intermission, I was worried about the length of the movie myself, but I was completely engulfed by the story, and I believe it's gonna win some awards come Oscar time!🌍🌛🌞
Nah
It is better than the Irishman
It is better than the Irishman
KOTFM was good. But it was definitely not what I was expecting kinda disappointed in that regard. But it was a grounded old west crime story. It’s nice that Hollywood is starting to acknowledge that the 1920s west still had some wild left in it. But they acknowledged it in a way that wasn’t as glamorized or dramatic like how most other western stories are.
ARE YOU SERIOUS? Wild as in the mass murder of non white people in the efforts of white greed? Wow.
That’s Mollie not Anna 8:15
Go see this film! It is phenomenal!
The background music in this video really needs to chill, I actually can’t finish it it’s too distracting
this happend right before the tulsa riots i think like a year
It was happening before and after Tulsa.... In the Movie Mollie says she doesn't want it to be like another Tulsa
@@loki2stunt true that documentry was scary as well
In the movie they even played the aftermath of the Tulsa Riots in a local theater.
It wasn't a riot it happen the same night, It's the Osage Indian Reservation Massacre
Not a riot
Native women are so beautiful....I would have been proudly a "squaw man".....I am proud that many of the founding families of the state of Montana were white men married to native women.
Of course there were atrocities here like everywhere against native A s, but they got in some victories here too
He said he reworked the script to be less about white characters and focus more on the Osage characters… by telling it from a white character’s point of view and casting Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert De Niro, 2 of the most famous white actors in history, in the lead roles and telling it from their perspective, effectively spoiling the twist. Okay 👌
franky, you reworked your avatar picture to look suspiciously like Oppenheimer. Okay.
This is full of inaccuracies as well.
Osage Osage Osage ❤
I know Scorcese likes to work with DiCaprio abd DeNiro but they were too old to portray the real people. I read the book and I thought White was an interesting person and would like to see a story just about him.
Osage Nation not Osage Country.
I rather a movie about Tom White, cracking the case.
Not the Villains.
But DiCaprio, gonna DiCaprio.
What you on about?
DiCaprio wanna be Social Justice.
Instead of being the hero.
Tom White Story should've been told
A, that's why they hired him and pay him the big bucks, they want him to DiCaprio!!
Yeah, he did just that.
Being the F up character
I fell asleep but I did not know how evil these men were to the natives there
If u saw Fairfax now its a fucking shit hole 😂 I grow up in kaw city
I'm not surprised. 😂
We should also mention they let a 50yr old actor play the roll of a 19 yr old child. Wonder if theres ever been an example of a female actor getting that privilege. I hear most woman actors in their 40s have to start writing or producing their own projects to be allowed to still act as an older woman in Hollywood and get jobs even if its only ones made for themselves. Meanwhile Leo is getting 19yr olds roles. And some people still pretend to not understand the patriarchy because they one time saw a woman get a free drink at a bar.
Who cares?
There is a shorter documentary out there.
❤😮❤ The private investigators were mason's and the agent was a mason, and the perpetrators was mason's 😢❤😢 Hoover was mason. So who did all these cheap dirty deeds ???
Flower of the moon killers.
The Director” I want to focus on the Native Americans” goes on to make the two white men the stars.
It's a three hour movie. Starring in a movie is hard. You have to carry the film. How many big Indian actors are there? It's much easier to find a big white actor. A director can make supporting actors look good as long as it's in small doses. I was meant for theatres. How many big Indian actors are there? Not many.
DiCaprio and DeNiro are Movie Star's.
Not Lily Gladstone.
This movie got buzz, cause of them two and Marty.
@@Unsweetened8618But gave her the opportunity to shine which she absolutely did. She was great in that film!
The story should've been about Thomas White investigation.
But somebody got cold feet.
De Niro and De Caprio should have played the Osage Chiefs (joking)
The book is better than the movie but they usually are.
I was excited to see this movie .I had read the book.the movie was not good..the book was much better. I feel they could have done a much better job and feel they did not want to put the effort or money into doing the book justice . sorry it was a flop
These victims was prisoners forced to stay on this reservation? Not one letf alive
the music ruined this otherwise good video for me ...
No. The Osage brought their land from the Cherokee.
[**SPOILER ALERT**] I really didn't like the film. It's masterfully made, it's a Scorsese flick alright, but I don't think Di Caprio has the depth and range to pull off that character convincingly. I just didn't buy him at all; it looked like he was focused the entire time on remembering to hold that stupid (and very fake) frown as he delivered his lines. The character as written is also such a total cretin that his supposed love for his wife just seems like clumsy writing (he loves her as he's poisoning her and helping murder her relatives? What the actual fuck?). And some of those scenes between him and De Niro really play out like comedy sketches.
Yes...he was pretty much overacting the whole movie......de Niro was barely ok .....Lily was wonderful.....
The law never proved that Mollies mom was poisoned.
I read the book first, then saw movie. Prefer book
Accurate according to who?
According to the written records of the event.
@@baneofbanes
I can write words to the contrary. The truth rarely survives agenda.
@@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat and yet you weren’t there.
It's not the Osage "concept of heaven". It's the Osage concept of an afterlife. "Heaven" is not a standard, nor an original. They did not base their idea of an afterlife on christianity.
If it differs why watch it?
I’ve only seen a couple scenes and I’m very disappointed. Doesn’t resemble the time and troubles at the time. Also the relations are stale and weak.
I can't stand Hollywood and especially DiCaprio and De Niro.
I saw the movie "Killers of the Flower Moon" and I don't understand why the Osage people never seen this coming from the time of the invaders of Colonial Europeans took the land away and broke over 400 peace treaty, you would think that they learn their lesson. While this horrendous crime was being committed upon the Osage nation and their families and close "white friends" who was willing to help them, in the 1920s so was Tulsa Okaloma "Black Wall Street" in 1921 where so call African Americans was bombed because they were thriving and had their own businessess and banks, stores, cinema, schools, doctors and nurses, pharmacy etc and they never married outside their own people nor let any whiteman in. But lies and jealously is what brought the bombing and riots of the whiteman in because they never had the success of what the black wall street or Osage nation had.
There was no black wall street in Tulsa ,It was the Osage Indian Reservation Massacre ,long live the Arkansas Shainers the people with dark skin that glows, This movie is wrong
@@gew2027
That's a lie there was "Black Wall Street" Tulsa Oklahoma in 1921 you need to study more there's literature and old newspapers clippings and archives videos.
@@malcolmx9121 How did an.Indian.reservation Massacre become a race riot , Why were most of the so called black towns on indian Reservations ,I say its a Massacre you say it's a riot long live.the Osage Arkansas Shainers the people with dark skin that glows.,Who do you know in America with.dark skin ,
Here's a fact that Hollywood conveniently left out. William Hale was a Democrat.
As usual, Hollywood doesn’t let the facts get in the way of a good story. What is a bit dangerous is that all too many people take these “movies based on a true story”, as factual.
Such as the JFK movie?
TERRIBLE MOVIE!!